John Dorsey?

[Couch-Potato]

So, looking back, what was the deal with John Dorsey? Why wasn't he good for KC any longer? What contracts/picks did he offer that were a mistake? What contracts/picks did he offer that were wins? ...curious how the fanbase views him.

[Sassy Squatch]

See the miserable state of this defense? Big part of that

[htismaqe]

Hasn't this been discussed to death?

The reason he wasn't good for KC any long is because he and the rest of the organization didn't see eye to eye on Eric Berry and Justin Houston. They have huge contracts and he has a new job.

[chinaski]

Contracts. He sucked at it.

[Couch-Potato]

Hasn't this been discussed to death?

The reason he wasn't good for KC any long is because he and the rest of the organization didn't see eye to eye on Eric Berry and Justin Houston. They have huge contracts and he has a new job.

The rest of the organization didn't want to pay Berry or Houston? Kinda seems like we're looking at those contracts in retrospect and judging them now do to Berry's health and Houston's lack of production in the new defense. Is that fair?

[Rasputin]

You just don't fuck Clark Hunts wife :shake:

[htismaqe]

The rest of the organization didn't want to pay Berry or Houston? Kinda seems like we're looking at those contracts in retrospect and judging them now do to Berry's health and Houston's lack of production in the new defense. Is that fair?

Dorsey didn't want to pay them. The organization did. Ultimately, the organization got what it wanted and Dorsey got shown the door.

[New World Order]

Dorsey wanted to sign Mark Castle

[Chief Roundup]

Hasn't this been discussed to death?

The reason he wasn't good for KC any long is because he and the rest of the organization didn't see eye to eye on Eric Berry and Justin Houston. They have huge contracts and he has a new job.

Dorsey did not do Berrys contract that was Clark. Berry was pissed that Dorsey wanted him to purchase the insurance policy because of health concerns surrounding Berry. So Clark stepped in and completed the contract with Berry.

[Dante84]

You just don't **** Clark Hunts wife :shake:

“Oh yeah, baby, I love thticking it in your puthy after hourths in the ownerths thuite. It feelths stho good, you filthy sthlut!”

[Dante84]

But seriously, though, it probably was his lisp that got him fired.

[suzzer99]

While we're on the subject - did Marty really have sex with his baby sitter and Greg Hill's wife? Anyone else I'm forgetting? I feel like Donnell Bennett must have had some dirt on him. Marty even took him to DC.

[Mecca]

I think that if you look at the moves he had no intention of keeping Berry which in turn when Hunt took that over led to the cut of Maclin as a shot back at Reid and Hunt and then he got fired.

He fucked up the Houston one though.

Right now can't say he was wrong.

[TwistedChief]

I think there were some issues with contracts and cap management. But some have also alluded to his style of management not quite working from a communication perspective.

I liked Dorsey. I’m happy we have Veach. He’s smart and aggressive and playing NFL GM as any of us would. Definitely not doing stuff by the conservative book and whether our 7-1 record is him or a great organizational call on Mahomes.... I’ll take it.

[saphojunkie]

Dorsey did not do Berrys contract that was Clark. Berry was pissed that Dorsey wanted him to purchase the insurance policy because of health concerns surrounding Berry. So Clark stepped in and completed the contract with Berry.

Did Dorsey do Houston's contract? Did he do Tamba's contract?

Did he do Dwayne Bowe's contract? Did he do Maclin's contract?

This narrative that Dorsey is gone because of overpaying Berry is just silly. He could have signed Berry to an extension the year before, but he didn't. He gambled, he lost. Berry won.

[saphojunkie]

The colossal fuck up that was Tamba's extension was reason enough to get rid of him.
How about this for a reason?

Dead cap money before dorsey arrived:

2011 - 65k
2012 - 1M

Dead cap in Dorsey's years:

2013 - 19M
2014 - 9M
2015 - 21M
2016 - 14M
2017 - 17M

Veach:
2018 - 18M
2019 - 464k

[saphojunkie]

Fact: contracts during Dorsey's tenure were horribly managed, affecting the team even after he left. One full year of Veach, and this team has shed dead cap weight down to under half a million.

Dorsey can't manage money.

[bigjosh]

The colossal fuck up that was Tamba's extension was reason enough to get rid of him.
How about this for a reason?

Dead cap money before dorsey arrived:

2011 - 65k
2012 - 1M

Dead cap in Dorsey's years:

2013 - 19M
2014 - 9M
2015 - 21M
2016 - 14M
2017 - 17M

Veach:
2018 - 18M
2019 - 464k



2019 dead depends a lot on cuts too.


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[Deberg_1990]

Great scout

Sucky GM


The end

[Mecca]

It's going to be more than that unless you think they are making no cuts, which is unlikely at best.

[Chief Roundup]

Did Dorsey do Houston's contract? Did he do Tamba's contract?

Did he do Dwayne Bowe's contract? Did he do Maclin's contract?

This narrative that Dorsey is gone because of overpaying Berry is just silly. He could have signed Berry to an extension the year before, but he didn't. He gambled, he lost. Berry won.

I didn't say it was over Berrys contract. I was just pointing out that Berrys contract should not be blamed on Dorsey.
He screwed up plenty on contracts especially with Tambas.

[saphojunkie]

It's going to be more than that unless you think they are making no cuts, which is unlikely at best.

Tell me who gets cut from this list:

PLAYER.............DEAD MONEY......CAP SAVINGS
Justin Houston.....$7,100,000.......$14,000,000
Sammy Watkins...$22,210,000.....($3,010,000)
Eric Berry............$14,950,000.....$1,550,000
Eric Fisher...........$6,667,023.......$6,482,977
Travis Kelce.........$5,905,200.......$4,063,200
Anthony Hitchens $17,700,000....($8,200,000)
Laurent DUV.TAR..$8,250,000 ......$3,000
Mitchell Schwartz..$2,800,000.......$5,200,000
Daniel Sorensen...$2,000,000.......$2,750,000
Patrick Mahomes..$9,706,251.......($5,226,443)
Chad Henne.........$2,550,000.......$1,550,000
Xavier Williams.....$875,000.........$2,557,000
Cameron Erving....$2,863,334......$318,332
Dustin Colquitt.....$1,300,000.......$1,850,000
Chris Jones..........$682,953..........$1,299,714
Breeland Speaks...$2,644,851......($1,258,370)

[saphojunkie]

At most, I see $9M in dead money, having cut Houston and Sorenson. That is WELL below league average, with a pro-bowl QB, a combination that sure seems to be effective.

[CaliforniaChief]

I'm sure it's out there somewhere, but do we actually KNOW that Clark stepped in and did the Berry deal?

[saphojunkie]

I'm sure it's out there somewhere, but do we actually KNOW that Clark stepped in and did the Berry deal?

Sewing circle?

[Flying High D]

Someone said they heard it on the prayer chain.

[wazu]

His failures led to this 7-1 team that we expect to contend for Super Bowl victories for the next fifteen years or so.

[Titty Meat]

See the miserable state of this defense? Big part of that

Yeah the guy he drafted is 2nd in sacks and the safety he signed off the scrap heap leads the teams in picks. He sucks so glad hes gone. We never won a playoff game or a division when he was here and always had s losing recors.

[Titty Meat]

When he was here the defenses were pretty good and we had guys like Smith, Peters and Parker. He totally sucked at finding defensive talent!

[Titty Meat]

I think that if you look at the moves he had no intention of keeping Berry which in turn when Hunt took that over led to the cut of Maclin as a shot back at Reid and Hunt and then he got fired.

He ****ed up the Houston one though.

Right now can't say he was wrong.

He ****ed up on signing Houston and Berry a year late. We can say he probably learned from that when they resigned Kelce. Would he even be on the team if we waited another year. Dudes the best tight end in the game he would have got PAID.

Its Deja Vu a bit though. How much is Ford going to cost? As far as over spending well I'd like to introduce ya'll to Anthony Hitchens.

[RunKC]

When he was here the defenses were pretty good and we had guys like Smith, Peters and Parker. He totally sucked at finding defensive talent!

Ironic that the defense went to shit as soon as the players did that he inherited from Pioli and Carl.

[Titty Meat]

Ironic that the defense went to shit as soon as the players did that he inherited from Pioli and Carl.

He inherited good defensive players and built a top 10 defense around them for his tenure. Replaced Hali with the guy who's 2nd in sacks and built one of the best offenses in the league. Were those guys he inherited ever apart of a top 10 defense prior to his arrival?

[Couch-Potato]

The colossal **** up that was Tamba's extension was reason enough to get rid of him.
How about this for a reason?

Dead cap money before dorsey arrived:

2011 - 65k
2012 - 1M

Dead cap in Dorsey's years:

2013 - 19M
2014 - 9M
2015 - 21M
2016 - 14M
2017 - 17M

Veach:
2018 - 18M
2019 - 464k

Excellent break down here ^

[dlphg9]

He ****ed up on signing Houston and Berry a year late. We can say he probably learned from that when they resigned Kelce. Would he even be on the team if we waited another year. Dudes the best tight end in the game he would have got PAID.

Its Deja Vu a bit though. How much is Ford going to cost? As far as over spending well I'd like to introduce ya'll to Anthony Hitchens.

Hitchens and Sammy are bad contracts. Sammy Watkins is good, but he's not so much better than any of the other guys that could have taken the 2 spot. Should have used his money on more defense.

Im tired of hearing people talk shit on Dorsey. At least the guys he paid were fucking all pro, top 3 at their position, studs.

[RealSNR]

2019 dead depends a lot on cuts too.


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Who are we cutting who will contribute to dead cap?

Everybody says Houston, but it's in our favor to just eat the rest of his deal. It's only 2 years. Maybe you restructure some of the money past that, but it's not like Houston is declining any more than he already has post-injury.

[Titty Meat]

Hitchens and Sammy are bad contracts. Sammy Watkins is good, but he's not so much better than any of the other guys that could have taken the 2 spot. Should have used his money on more defense.

Im tired of hearing people talk shit on Dorsey. At least the guys he paid were ****ing all pro, top 3 at their position, studs.

Watkins is a #1 WR. The way the new CBA post 2011 guys like him are going to get paid. You have to pay to play.

The Berry contract looks bad now. In 16' he was a Defensive Player of the year candidate. Dont tell me we were going to find a player of his caliber in free agency or the draft. Our record without him in 2011/2014 was what? Hard to argue against resigning him.

Dorseys defensive players taken in the first round were Ford and Peters. The first player he drafted in 16' was Chris Jones. So to argue he couldnt find defensive talent was a myth.

Can someone give me some teams that were top 10 in defense for 4 or more years in the post salary cap era? I'd imagine it's a small list. Plus it's a consensus among this board Bob Sutton is the problem.

Plus he drafted and signed the O-line which is top 10, The top 5 WR, Best Tight end, Leagues leading rusher and was the GM at the time we took the best QB in franchise history.

He wasnt let go because of his talent evaluation, his drafting, or contracts. He was let go the day Reid re-upped. It was obviously a power struggle which isnt uncommon.

This narrative that he wasnt a good GM is because people dont want to admit Hunt fucked up again and a local media that is absolute dogshit. The Berry injury is 1 of many stories that's a great example of that. It was a mystery for a month and a half until a NATIONAL GUY broke the story. The Chiefs are the biggest thing in Kansas City. Its unacceptable not 1 local guy broke the story.

[O.city]

Middlekauf talked a lot about him on his recent podcast. Said he got pretty ego driven and didn’t get along with some people in kc.