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T-post Tom
11-08-2018, 03:37 PM
KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Patrick Mahomes had been shredding the Patriots defense all night with his incredible arm strength and downfield precision in a back-and-forth shootout last month when it looked as if the Chiefs quarterback might be finally corralled by a well-timed blitz.

With a deft flip of his wrist, Mahomes instead tossed a soft screen pass to Kareem Hunt out of the backfield, and he raced up the field as the Patriots were forced to chase him.

The timing was perfect. The execution was spot-on.

It was just one of dozens of examples through the first nine games this season of coach Andy Reid using the screen pass to impressive effect.

Whether it’s Hunt out of the backfield, Tyreek Hill or Sammy Watkins on a bubble screen or even tight end Travis Kelce catching a short pass behind the defense, the Chiefs may use their myriad variations of the screen better than any other team.

“You are really just taking a blocking scheme and moving it out into space,” Reid explained. “Our backs are good with it, quarterback gives them an opportunity and the big guys get out and run.”


Kansas City Chiefs running back Kareem Hunt (27) celebrates with quarterback Patrick Mahomes (15) after a 50-yard touchdown during the first half of an NFL football game against the Cleveland Browns, Sunday, Nov. 4, 2018, in Cleveland. (Ron Schwane/Associated Press)
The intricate timing plays are fun for just about everybody.

Mahomes likes them because the throws are fairly easy and often lead to big gains. Hunt and fellow running back Spencer Ware like them because they can use their talent in space. And even the offensive linemen like them because they often get to plow through smaller defensive backs, rather than tangle with big defensive tackles as they would do on a traditional running play.

Oh, and the Chiefs’ fans like them for obvious reasons.

Screen passes are hardly new in the NFL, and indeed, they have been part of Reid’s basic West Coast offense since he was learning the scheme from its originator, Bill Walsh.

But with so many playmakers at his disposal, and a quarterback who is finally capable of executing the variety of plays, Reid has taken the old-school notion of screen passes to another level.

They might incorporate elements of the run-pass option, a relatively new development that has swept through the NFL.

Or they might call for guys to line up in unique spots, such as running backs split wide or a wide receiver in the backfield. Or they might call for exotic blocking schemes.

“It’s a timing thing. We have to be in sync with our offensive line,” Ware said. “Our releases are a big part of it — how we escape. The downfield ball with Tyreek, Sammy, Travis and Mahomes throwing it opens it up for us. Then when you have Kareem running how he’s running, they come up and play the run and it’s like, ‘No, it’s not a run, it’s a pass. You’d better get back.’ That gives us some cushion.”

Such screen plays often look simple, but are in fact quite difficult to execute.

Mahomes has to read the defense correctly in the seconds before a snap. The designated target needs to be on the same page. And as Hunt explained, “there’s just a lot of timing involved.”

“Yeah,” Mahomes added, “but with how well Coach Reid explains it, everything goes off each other. I think we had a screen and it went off a shovel pass to Kareem the week before, things like that, where we build on top of each other every single week. We are never set in our ways.”

That’s another reason the Chiefs’ screen passes are so difficult to defend: They may run a play to one target one week, giving the next opponent film to review, then run the play to a different target out of the exact same formation the following week.

Good luck trying to stop that.

“Asking these guys to go against faster players, for your offensive linemen to go against these defensive backs and block them in space, that’s tough to do,” Reid said.

“We’re fortunate our backs do a nice job of this. They help set up the defense so you can run fast. There’s nothing worse than watching a screen, you get out there and the offensive linemen are out there trying to dance a little bit.

“A back can take care of you with that,” Reid concluded. “As long as you know where he’s at, he’s going to kind of force the issue downhill, good things can happen.”

Notes: Strong safety Eric Berry (heel), OL Cam Erving (illness), LB Anthony Hitchens (ribs), WR Sammy Watkins (foot) and C Mitch Morse (concussion) remained out of practice Thursday. ... Special teams coach Dave Toub dismissed a couple of recent missed PATs, saying Thursday that “nobody is harder on himself” than PK Harrison Butker. Toub said snaps have been part of the problem, “and again, it’s a 33-yard field goal. It’s not a chip-shot like it used to be.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/chiefs-using-screen-plays-in-creative-new-ways-on-offense/2018/11/08/f2e148be-e388-11e8-ba30-a7ded04d8fac_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.bd4b4ff26a1c

Hammock Parties
11-08-2018, 03:44 PM
What fucking editor at the AP went to his writer and said "I want you to write about Chiefs screen passes this week."

LMAO

Weird article.

Simply Red
11-08-2018, 03:54 PM
nice - share our offensive plays! Great idea!

Edit: Not you TPT - but rather the writer.

chinaski
11-08-2018, 04:14 PM
nice - share our offensive plays! Great idea!

Edit: Not you TPT - but rather the writer.

Cardinals coaches licking their chops...

We'll throw all deep passes and run the ball Sunday. ROFL

T-post Tom
11-08-2018, 04:16 PM
nice - share our offensive plays! Great idea!

Edit: Not you TPT - but rather the writer.

:)

Maine
11-08-2018, 04:18 PM
This was a nice share. Thank You

ModSocks
11-08-2018, 04:18 PM
What ****ing editor at the AP went to his writer and said "I want you to write about Chiefs screen passes this week."

LMAO

Weird article.

It's a Chiefs/Mahomes article. How dare you slander it.

Hog's Gone Fishin
11-08-2018, 04:30 PM
Is this the game we finally get to see a 70 yard launch from the human Bazooka.

Rain Man
11-08-2018, 05:00 PM
Either the Post doesn't have a regular sports writer or they're writing for people who aren't sports fans. A couple of sentences made me laugh at how they're covertly explaining the game.

"...he raced up the field as the Patriots were forced to chase him."

"And even the offensive linemen like them because they often get to plow through smaller defensive backs, rather than tangle with big defensive tackles as they would do on a traditional running play."

Hammock Parties
11-08-2018, 05:05 PM
It's an article sourced from AP, which can be even more generic in tone.

I really thought it was strange.

Oh, screen passes required timing? And the running backs like to use their talent in space? On the football plays? To make touchdowns?

Boy howdy!

Hammock Parties
11-08-2018, 05:06 PM
The article also contains very basic errors that should have been corrected.

Andy Reid never served on a Bill Walsh staff.

Rain Man
11-08-2018, 05:10 PM
It's an article sourced from AP, which can be even more generic in tone.

I really thought it was strange.

Oh, screen passes required timing? And the running backs like to use their talent in space? On the football plays? To make touchdowns?

Boy howdy!

"The player carried the football into the gaily painted end zone, at which point play stopped and a score of several points was recorded. The audience cheered this event with exuberence."

Maybe AP is outsourcing their writing to India.

ModSocks
11-08-2018, 05:14 PM
It's an article sourced from AP, which can be even more generic in tone.

I really thought it was strange.

Oh, screen passes required timing? And the running backs like to use their talent in space? On the football plays? To make touchdowns?

Boy howdy!

The article also contains very basic errors that should have been corrected.

Andy Reid never served on a Bill Walsh staff.

Look man, they're excited and needed a reason to write "Mahomes".

New World Order
11-08-2018, 05:17 PM
This was a nice share. Thank You

Your avatar is making me hungry!

Hammock Parties
11-08-2018, 05:17 PM
Look man, they're excited and needed a reason to write "Mahomes".


Oh there's no doubt.

"I need a Chiefs article."

"But we already did the recap, there's no story this week, they're playing the worst team in football."

"I don't care what it's about, just give me 500 words on Mahomes."

*writer goes back to his desk and kicks the trash can*

"Fuck it, I'll write about screen passes."

Rain Man
11-08-2018, 05:18 PM
Look man, they're excited and needed a reason to write "Mahomes".

"Patrick Mahomes II takes his position behind the line of scrimmage, as is standard for a player of his type. His responsibility on any given play is to determine which of the other players, or occasionally himself, will attempt to forward the ball toward the opposing end zone. In some cases he throws the ball to said player, and in other cases he merely turns and hands the ball to them. Both strategies are typically successful."

chiefzilla1501
11-08-2018, 05:55 PM
What ****ing editor at the AP went to his writer and said "I want you to write about Chiefs screen passes this week."

LMAO

Weird article.

Our screen pass game is really crazy innovative. Reid should get credit for it.

At the same time, I'm also tired of this bullshit narrative by fans who haven't watched a single game that mahomes is a yac quarterback. This just feeds that bullshit narrative. I think there's a collective effort to do what it takes to hand brees mvp.

T-post Tom
11-08-2018, 06:23 PM
Our screen pass game is really crazy innovative. Reid should get credit for it.

At the same time, I'm also tired of this bullshit narrative by fans who haven't watched a single game that mahomes is a yac quarterback. This just feeds that bullshit narrative. I think there's a collective effort to do what it takes to hand brees mvp.

Deion Sanders carries that torch on NFL network almost everytime he speaks.

T-post Tom
11-08-2018, 07:54 PM
This was a nice share. Thank You

You seem nice. Please post more.

Bob Dole
11-08-2018, 08:12 PM
Your avatar is making me hungry!

I hear the AYCE LJS Sunday calling my name.