Andy's Presser and Play calling

[tooge]

Great game. I'm very encouraged moving forward with this team. Lost on the road, by 3 pts, to one of the best offenses in the league. And, had a chance to end it with a dropped INT and a drive with 1:50 to go. I'll take it.

However, Andy Reid mentioned he could've called better plays in the game, and I couldn't agree more. Particularly on the second from last drive. Chiefs get the ball back with 1:50 to go, down by 3 and all 3 timeouts, Rams have none. They get the ball to the 45 ish with a pass to Tyreek with about 1:20 left if I remember correctly, and still 3 timeouts and the clock stopped. They need maybe 20 yards to be in FG range, but obviously want a TD for the win.

Next play is the play where Mahomes is hit as he throws and it's picked by Peters. When the strength of the defense is the D line and it's rush, why not use the screen, draw, WR screens, bubbles, etc to work down the field instead of having Mahomes drop back with nothing but slow developing plays? I'm guessing that's what Andy is talking about. I know, you can second guess anything, but I was watching and thinking, don't try to get it all right here. Next play, game over. Frustrating. I'd think having Hunt in the mix at the end, with high percentage passes would have been the way to go rather than 5-7 step drop plays. Anyhow, great game. Chiefs gonna end up 14-2 with HVA throughout.

[Red Dawg]

Mahomes could have jetted to his right behind Kelce and ran like 20 yards and out of bounds. These are things he will learn with experience but Andys plays were jot good. Bad series.

[petegz28]

Only the 2nd team in history to score more than 40+ twice and lose. Bob Sutton's resume is one for the record books.

[kcpasco]

Only the 2nd team in history to score more than 40+ twice and lose. Bob Sutton's resume is one for the record books.

2 awesome playoff collapses and now this. Andy loves him though.

[Red Dawg]

Only the 2nd team in history to score more than 40+ twice and lose. Bob Sutton's resume is one for the record books.

Pretty ridiculous he keeps his job. Secondary has poor technical skills.

[old_geezer]

Our defense is absolutely horrible; hard to argue against that. Having said that I don't blame last night's loss on the defense. Five turnovers by the offense was the deciding factor. Great game and effort IMO.

[Eleazar]

Reid's play calling has improved a lot this year. Obviously, a lot of that has to do with a great quarterback being able to make plays and thus make the play call look good, but to Reid's credit he has abandoned the sideways offense and he has been somewhat better about not going ultra-conservative when we have a lead.

Nothing to complain about last night with respect to play calling.

[Shogun]

Only the 2nd team in history to score more than 40+ twice and lose. Bob Sutton's resume is one for the record books.

Agreed. But 21 of those points werent his defenses fault.

[chiefzilla1501]

Reid's play calling has improved a lot this year. Obviously, a lot of that has to do with a great quarterback being able to make plays and thus make the play call look good, but to Reid's credit he has abandoned the sideways offense and he has been somewhat better about not going ultra-conservative when we have a lead.

Nothing to complain about last night with respect to play calling.

I absolutely hated the last drive playcalling. Less than a minute and we throw several designed short throws to kelce straight up the middle.

[buddha]

�� Of the complaints related to Mahomes go to the patchwork offensive line. The Rams pass rush is better than our pass pro. The Chiefs are at least even with the Rams when we ran the ball... Andy needed to stick with the running game.

[petegz28]

Agreed. But 21 14 of those points werent his defenses fault.

fyp???

[Marcellus]

fyp???

21

[Dartgod]

Reid's play calling has improved a lot this year. Obviously, a lot of that has to do with a great quarterback being able to make plays and thus make the play call look good, but to Reid's credit he has abandoned the sideways offense and he has been somewhat better about not going ultra-conservative when we have a lead.

Nothing to complain about last night with respect to play calling.

His play calling after we had 1st and goal at the 8 (1st possession in the 2nd Qtr) was terrible. Back to back options plays possibly cost us 4 points and nearly got Mahomes killed.

[siberian khatru]

His play calling after we had 1st and goal at the 8 (1st possession in the 2nd Qtr) was terrible. Back to back options plays possibly cost us 4 points and nearly got Mahomes killed.

I'd have to go back and check, but I thought the first one was an audible by Mahomes. Did anyone else think that?

[Buckweath]

I absolutely hated the last drive playcalling. Less than a minute and we throw several designed short throws to kelce straight up the middle.

Same here. It started with a bad decision by Hill to return the ball on the punt. Sure, he wants to make a play and he is a great returner but the best thing to do is to let the ball go into the endzone to leave as much time as possible on the clock as well as to make sure that you have a decent field position.

Then, the short throw playcalling to me were just another proof that Reid is clueless when it comes to clock management. I could be wrong though but if that is Reid calling short throw stuff, that's just bad.

[tooge]

I guess my point is, when the D line is badass, and the secondary is shit, then 5 and 7 step drop back pass plays when there isn't much time left really isn't the best idea. The D line just pinned their ears back. Having Hunt as an option, or some quick screens would slow that rush down some. Still a great plan overall. Just not the last 2 minutes

[ChiTown]

Only the 2nd team in history to score more than 40+ twice and lose. Bob Sutton's resume is one for the record books.

Not much has changed since the season started. This team will go as far as the Offense can carry them. The Offense was great last night, but 5 TO's on the road isn't going to get it done against one of the top 3 teams in the NFL. Even with our shit D, if we play them even up in TO's, we win that game by 10+ points, IMO. I'm not trying to lay this on the O, but they are pretty much forced to carry the entire load (and be as perfect as possible) until we can get some better talent in the D-Backfield.

[YayMike]

Not much has changed since the season started. This team will go as far as the Offense can carry them. The Offense was great last night, but 5 TO's on the road isn't going to get it done against one of the top 3 teams in the NFL. Even with our shit D, if we play them even up in TO's, we win that game by 10+ points, IMO. I'm not trying to lay this on the O, but they are pretty much forced to carry the entire load (and be as perfect as possible) until we can get some better talent in the D-Backfield.

The defense in my opinion did a respectable job considering the turnovers and playing a high flying offense. I completely agree: Eliminate even 1 of the turnovers, and we win the game. We got tremendous pressure on Goff. Oh...and the refs weren't calling holding AT ALL on them. Take away 21 points off turnovers, and we win the game.

Let's put the shoe on the other foot: If we are a Lambs fan, and the Chiefs win that game, THEY are asking how their defense gave up 55 points "AT HOME" They are flipping out after losing to New Orleans and Us.

I think we will really benefit from this bye week. Rest and recover. Show Mahommes some film as he wasn't very sharp the last two weeks.

[Iowanian]

I refuse to listen to complaints about play calling when the Chiefs put 51 points on the board.

I'd be pleased to listen to discussion and comment about defensive decisions when the team gives up 54.

[ptlyon]

I refuse to listen to complaints about play calling when the Chiefs put 51 points on the board.

I'd be pleased to listen to discussion and comment about defensive decisions when the team gives up 54.

Well, the defense sucks, so it would be a long conversation

[BWillie]

Great game. I'm very encouraged moving forward with this team. Lost on the road, by 3 pts, to one of the best offenses in the league. And, had a chance to end it with a dropped INT and a drive with 1:50 to go. I'll take it.

However, Andy Reid mentioned he could've called better plays in the game, and I couldn't agree more. Particularly on the second from last drive. Chiefs get the ball back with 1:50 to go, down by 3 and all 3 timeouts, Rams have none. They get the ball to the 45 ish with a pass to Tyreek with about 1:20 left if I remember correctly, and still 3 timeouts and the clock stopped. They need maybe 20 yards to be in FG range, but obviously want a TD for the win.

Next play is the play where Mahomes is hit as he throws and it's picked by Peters. When the strength of the defense is the D line and it's rush, why not use the screen, draw, WR screens, bubbles, etc to work down the field instead of having Mahomes drop back with nothing but slow developing plays? I'm guessing that's what Andy is talking about. I know, you can second guess anything, but I was watching and thinking, don't try to get it all right here. Next play, game over. Frustrating. I'd think having Hunt in the mix at the end, with high percentage passes would have been the way to go rather than 5-7 step drop plays. Anyhow, great game. Chiefs gonna end up 14-2 with HVA throughout.

Yep - The second Mahomes TD was a bad decision by Mahomes - but that play call was really bad at the time - they aren't even that far out of FG range with TOs - Use the middle of the field or screens and have a deep option. EVERY option on that play was at least 25 yards down the field. Really bad play call.

[TambaBerry]

Our defense is absolutely horrible; hard to argue against that. Having said that I don't blame last night's loss on the defense. Five turnovers by the offense was the deciding factor. Great game and effort IMO.

lol ohhhhh k

[Hammock Parties]

They need to cool it on the 5 wide.

I feel like it's starting to hurt the team more than help.

[KChiefs1]

Chiefs need to do a better job with working the clock. Michael Lombardi stated it pretty well on the Border Patrol.

Clock time = plays

40 seconds is equal to 5 plays for your opponent.

Good listen.

https://omny.fm/shows/the-border-patrol/michael-lombardi-11

https://theathletic.com/666441/2018/11/20/monday-night-football-chiefs-rams-jared-goff-patrick-mahomes/


The NFL looked like a Big 12 game during Monday night’s showdown between the Rams and Chiefs, with the ball moving up and down the field and neither team having any sustained success on defense, (though big single defensive plays were certainly key to the result.)

And who cares, because everyone loved it.

Just as the NBA has become a three-point shot league, the NFL with the Rams, Chiefs and Saints this year has become a whoever-gets-to-fifty-points-first-wins league — and every other team is going to have to figure out how to compete.

When an NFL executive watches games on television or tape, he must always be asking himself, ‘how does my team match up? Can we beat these teams?’ Al Davis, the Hall of Fame owner of the Raiders, was obsessed with making sure his talent level could match the talent within his division as well as the entire AFC. In any discussion regarding the opponent’s players, his questions always focused on ‘can we handle him? Does our talent match their talent?’ And when his team fell short in a specific area, he would try to trade for a player he felt could turn the balance of power in his favor. Divisional matchup boards were essential to him. I would have a chart on my computer that had each player on offense and defense in the league and how the Raider players ranked in their positional comparison.

Last night’s game featured a team from each conference. Therefore, all 30 team builders — even those on the Saints and Patriots, who beat the Ram and Chiefs, respectively — need to ask themselves today: how do we match up going forward?

If I were in New England working with Pats coach Bill Belichick, I would give him my overview of what it would take to beat either team in the postseason. My first concern would be the conditioning of our team. After a game that included 105 total points and 1,001 total yards, we’d need to make sure we were in great shape to play the entire 60 minutes and never wear down. Conditioning is an often overlooked aspect of the game, yet it’s a determining factor in so many. How often have you seen a wide receiver, after he runs a deep route, put his hand up toward the sideline to signal he needs a break, but the corner who covered him has to line up for the next play? If teams want to play man to man, they must be in great shape in every area of their team, from the defensive line to the linebackers to the secondary. It’s taxing for any secondary to play man to man for all 60 minutes. In November and December, conditioning matters more than any time of the season in part because a team in great shape will play with good pad level and with leverage. An out of shape team will play tall when tired and get knocked off the ball. Pad level always matters in football, and being in great shape allows teams to maintain their pad level.

My second concern would center on pacing. In today’s game, where offenses can score over 40 points, pace is vitally important. The Chiefs lost on Monday night not only because of their turnovers, (which were a killer, minus 3 in the turnover/takeaway column) but somewhat because they misunderstood that the essence of the game is not just about scoring quickly, it’s about scoring in a timely fashion and understanding the clock is as much of an opponent as the Rams. And, to be fair, the winning team made this mistake as well. It’s difficult to resist scoring as quickly as possible, but with offenses as lethal as these two, it’s something that is essential to take into consideration. All of us watching at home knew if the Rams got the ball back, they would score again. Why didn’t the Chiefs know this? When the Chiefs got the ball back with 6:33 to go in the game, they needed to factor the clock into their objectives. After the Chiefs converted a fourth and two, the Rams had no timeouts remaining with a little over 4 minutes left in the game. But rather than milking the clock for as long as they could, the Chiefs naturally took the lead five plays later with 2:47 remaining.

When the Rams took the field trailing by four points, they also knew the Chiefs had three timeouts left. Therefore they should have had two objectives: First, score and take the lead. Second, make the Chiefs use their timeouts. Obviously scoring with under ten seconds remaining with no timeouts left for the Chiefs would have been the perfect scenario. Instead, the Rams, like the Chiefs, couldn’t care less about the clock and just wanted to score. Six plays later the Rams did just that, taking the lead with 1:54 remaining … but the Chiefs still had all of their timeouts. In a game where it felt like the last team to possess the ball would be the winner, Kansas City was in a great position, but the Rams’ Samson Ebukam, who had an incredible game, hit Patrick Mahomes’ arm, and former Chief Marcus Peters had the ball drop into his lap.

And even after committing that turnover, the game was not over.

The Rams got the ball back with another chance to make the Chiefs burn all their remaining timeouts, but the Rams wanted to be aggressive and put the game away right then and there. They threw on second down, and the pass fell incomplete, stopping the clock. Yes, Sean McVay is an aggressive coach, and he knows his opponent at hand doesn’t need much time to score regardless, so he was hoping to deny them a chance to have the ball altogether. But every time a team doesn’t force their opponent to use their timeouts, they are graciously giving them five more offensive plays. Why would any team consider doing this, particularly when the opponent is Patrick Mahomes?

It didn’t seem like either of these teams cared much about how the clock factored into the game, but it’s certainly going to be necessary that whichever teams end up facing them in the playoffs do pay attention to it and consider how to pace the game. Because other than the Saints, no team in the NFL can afford to get into a track meet with the Rams or the Chiefs.

The next point I’d focus on: Tyreek Hill. Each time the Chiefs wide receiver makes a catch or sprints past an entire defense, I expect my cell phone to ring with Al Davis on the line screaming to me, “why isn’t he on MY team.” I would explain to Davis that Hill pleaded guilty to domestic violence charges which got him kicked off the Oklahoma State football and track teams, which prevented the Raiders from taking him in 2016, and that’s the right answer to that question. The Chiefs took a huge risk in selecting Hill and that risk has paid off enormously. But understand it is a risk many NFL teams will never accept, and for good reason. Hill was never a fifth-round talent, he was always an elite talent, but character does factor in when building a team.

But Hill is, indeed, a game changer and Davis would have loved having him on the field. His combination of rare explosive speed, hands, and power make him the most dangerous player in the NFL. Just based on the talent level on the field, if the Giants called and offered Odell Beckham Jr. for Hill, the Chiefs would laugh out loud. There is no offensive player like Hill in the NFL and there is no defender on any team that can take him out of the game. You cannot jam him at the line of scrimmage; he is too strong. You cannot allow him free access into his route; he is way too fast. He must be doubled on every single play regardless of where he aligns and Chiefs coach Andy Reid does a great job of finding ways to formation Hill away from double teams.

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The Rams don’t have a Hill, but another point on how to slow Los Angeles down would center on pass rush lanes and discipline. Rams quarterback Jared Goff was outstanding last night, especially considering the Rams decided not to use Gurley to run the ball throughout the game. Gurley only touched the ball 12 times, which is not typical of the Rams play calling. When Gurley is not involved, it places enormous pressure on Goff, and last night he responded when he had time. The key to slowing down the Rams’ offense lies with the pass rush. When the Chiefs rushers were able to get “in the paint,” the area from the back of the center to in front of the quarterback, Goff was not as successful. Opposing defenses must rush Goff down the middle and not allow him to step up and make throws. Chiefs tackle Chris Jones was excellent last night pushing the pocket and forcing Goff not to have a clean pocket. When the Chiefs got into the paint, the Rams’ offense sputtered slightly.

My final point would be that we have to understand the game has dramatically changed. Old school situational field position thinking is a thing of the past. The NFL wants high scoring games. Therefore, we must manage the game differently as it relates to field position, clock management, going for two, and deciding on when to kick field goals and we should never think our defense can close out the game. We must win games with our offense while always understanding that the clock can be our friend and our opponent.

I admit, I loved watching the game, but I suspect few teams in the league are set up to compete at this level, so I don’t expect more 50 point games this season.

We might just have to wait until Super Bowl 53 to get another one.

[Blick]

They need to cool it on the 5 wide.

I feel like it's starting to hurt the team more than help.

Yep, at least against a team like that. Both of Donald's strip sacks came against empty sets. One with Kelce coming in motion to fake a handoff. That should be Tyreek or Hunt on the fake.

Erving also needed help early and often and that's on coaching to provide it.

Those play action deep passes that call for Kelce to block a pass rusher one on one are dangerous and hurt us as well.

The 2nd to last drive should have looked more like the last drive. We had the time and the timeouts remaining to chip away in the middle of the field.

Also could have involved Hunt a lot more. I'm surprised we didn't call more screens to help neutralize Donald and their aggressive pass rush.

[tooge]

Yep, at least against a team like that. Both of Donald's strip sacks came against empty sets. One with Kelce coming in motion to fake a handoff. That should be Tyreek or Hunt on the fake.

Erving also needed help early and often and that's on coaching to provide it.

Those play action deep passes that call for Kelce to block a pass rusher one on one are dangerous and hurt us as well.

The 2nd to last drive should have looked more like the last drive. We had the time and the timeouts remaining to chip away in the middle of the field.

Also could have involved Hunt a lot more. I'm surprised we didn't call more screens to help neutralize Donald and their aggressive pass rush.

Bingo. My point all along.

[Imon Yourside]

That playcall on the interception 2nd to last drive was horrible, their was zero reason for a homerun. We needed 10 yard chunks taking all the time off the clock as we scored. It looked more like a hail mary than a regular play, no one within 20 yards of the los.

[Blick]

That playcall on the interception 2nd to last drive was horrible, their was zero reason for a homerun. We needed 10 yard chunks taking all the time off the clock as we scored. It looked more like a hail mary than a regular play, no one within 20 yards of the los.

Yeah, and it looked like the same play they hit Tyreek wide open. Same play action, don't know if the routes were the same. I don't like that. Need to mix it up more and we didn't need a big chunk.

[Imon Yourside]

Yeah, and it looked like the same play they hit Tyreek wide open. Same play action, don't know if the routes were the same. I don't like that. Need to mix it up more and we didn't need a big chunk.

At least keep Hunt in to block and let him release short as Mahomes rolls out, so he has an option short.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Our defense is absolutely horrible; hard to argue against that. Having said that I don't blame last night's loss on the defense. Five turnovers by the offense was the deciding factor. Great game and effort IMO.

True. Penalties and turnovers, we should have won by 21

[KChiefs1]

That playcall on the interception 2nd to last drive was horrible, their was zero reason for a homerun. We needed 10 yard chunks taking all the time off the clock as we scored. It looked more like a hail mary than a regular play, no one within 20 yards of the los.


3 timeouts.
Ball on the LA 48.
1:28 left.
Why not run KHunt a few times there with the middle wide open?

OT should have been the worst outcome from that series.

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[WhiteWhale]

I refuse to listen to complaints about play calling when the Chiefs put 51 points on the board.

I'd be pleased to listen to discussion and comment about defensive decisions when the team gives up 54.

Yeah.

Those 5 turnovers had no impact on the 54 points scored.

They were all scored on long offensive drives... right?

[CupidStunt]

Ifs and buts. We lost another super-close game on the road in which, unquestionably, we were the 'unluckier' team - combining officiating, random "game of inches" plays here and there, the dropped pick, etc. Not an excuse, Rams deserved to win, it just is what it is. We were probably on the other side in that first Denver game.

The aspect everyone seems to forget is where the games are played. If we had any type of pattern of losing these close games to top teams at Arrowhead, I'd be worried. As it is, I couldn't be much more confident. ESPECIALLY playing the AFC where, while Brady and Ben are still great, we are far and away the best offensive team in the conference.

[CupidStunt]

We are the Vegas favorite to win the AFC and 3rd to win the SB behind obviously the Saints and Rams. Historically there's a lot of credence in that. The Pats have been the favorite to come out of the AFC most years. The Broncos were when they made it with Manning. I guess what I'm saying is that I'm simply not worried about anything right now, not in the grand scheme of things at least.

I could definitely complain about all kinds of things, mostly penalties right now. WTF.

[KChiefs1]

Not sure if this was worthy of its own thread but here it is....Chiefs face fork in the road.

https://theathletic.com/665712/2018/11/20/chiefs-face-fork-in-road-after-another-loss-to-playoff-caliber-foe/

Seth Keysor


The Kansas City Chiefs have a choice which path to head down following their 54-51 loss to the Rams at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum on Monday night.

To the right lies “Same Old, Same Old Boulevard,” where the Chiefs can tell themselves they should take pride in the fact that they took a Super Bowl contender to the wire on the road (the Rams on Monday night) despite wide receiver Sammy Watkins playing sparingly and All-Pro safety Eric Berry (still) unable to play. They can point out that the Rams needed some incredibly fluky plays and perhaps a bit of help from the gentlemen in the striped shirts to win an absolute barn burner of a game.

In fact, the Chiefs would be totally logical in thinking to themselves that the only two teams that have beaten them this year are Super Bowl contenders, both games were on the road, and the opponents had to play their best football to do it. It’s an absolutely true statement, and this 2018 Chiefs squad remains a wildly talented team that no team wants to play in the playoffs.

The left turn is a more difficult one.

It’s at “This Must Stop Avenue.” Down that road lies some starkly brutal truths, the most cruel of which is this: The Chiefs should be undefeated right now, and they have no one to blame but themselves.

The problem isn’t a lack of talent. Almost the opposite: The Chiefs are so talented that they can make multiple mistakes and still win the vast majority of their games. They’re so good that they can lose the turnover battle, 2-0, to New England and still almost walk out a winner. They’re so good that they can turn the ball over five times Monday and take a great Rams team to the absolute limit. And that’s sort of the problem when it comes to forks in the road like this one: When you know you’re already great, it’s tough to acknowledge that you could be greater.

On Monday night against the Rams, much like the Sunday night game in New England earlier in the season, the Chiefs looked like the better team for much of the night. Yet, in both cases, they still lost. And in both cases, mental mistakes, a lack of discipline and self-inflicted errors were the primary culprit.

Perhaps you’ve heard this old expression: They didn’t win, we lost. It sounds like sour grapes, but in the case of the Chiefs’ pair of heartbreaking losses, it holds quite true. That was especially the case Monday evening, when the Chiefs had the opportunity to seize a commanding lead and put the game away multiple times, and fumbled (sometimes literally, sometimes metaphorically) chances away.

A few examples:

After the defense forced a fumble and then a punt on back-to-back possessions in the second quarter, giving the offense a chance to extend a 17-16 lead, star quarterback Patrick Mahomes — yes, it’s OK to use that term for him now — was hit from behind by Rams star defensive tackle Aaron Donald, which resulted in a returned fumble for a touchdown.
The Chiefs started the second half with the ball in a tie game, only to have Donald force another fumble. This time, the Chiefs had the opportunity to recover the ball, but left guard Cam Erving tried to pick it up instead of falling on it and the Rams recovered it. The Chiefs would’ve had 2nd and long but still could have been in field-goal range.
After the Chiefs reclaimed the lead, 44-40, in the fourth quarter, the defense was no match against the Rams’ offense and the lead was lost in six plays.
Cornerback Orlando Scandrick had a chance to seal the game with just more than two minutes left, but this happened.

The Rams were out of timeouts at this point, so had Scandrick merely hung on to the interception, the Chiefs would have been able to bleed almost the entire remaining game clock. Instead, the Rams scored shortly thereafter. Mahomes then threw an interception on a 1st-and-10 play on the Rams’ 49-yard-line when he needlessly tried to rifle the ball despite pressure looming. The resulting throw after his arm was hit landed squarely in the arms of former Chiefs Pro Bowler Marcus Peters.

Those missed opportunities don’t comprise the entirety of the chances the Chiefs didn’t take advantage of, yet they still almost managed to pull a win out of thin air with nothing but pure talent and good coaching.

And make no mistake, the Chiefs are that talented. They feature a murderer’s row of talent on offense and have enough juice in the pass rush defensively to force opponents into turning the ball over. That’s a Super Bowl-winning combination if utilized correctly, and even if the Chiefs continue to shoot themselves in the foot, they still have a great chance at winning multiple playoff games. They’re that good.

Mahomes’ game against the Rams was, in many ways, a microcosm of where the Chiefs currently find themselves. Mahomes made several crucial mistakes and also dealt with a little bad luck on his way to five turnovers, an absolutely unacceptable number for a franchise quarterback. Yet he was so brilliant on his way to 478 passing yards and six touchdowns that it very nearly didn’t matter. His talent was an eyelash away from covering the self-inflicted wounds. That is the 2018 Kansas City Chiefs in a nutshell. The talent is so overwhelming that they can overcome their own mistakes the vast majority of the time and still be wildly successful.

Which brings us back to the fork in the road. The Chiefs are good, arguably the best team in Kansas City since 2003. But they can be better. Much better. This is a team that has the talent to go all the way. And the biggest barrier to preventing this isn’t the Los Angeles Rams. It isn’t Tom Brady and the Patriots, or the Saints and their high-flying offense.

No, the biggest barrier the Chiefs face right now is tripping over their own feet and waiting for their talent to bail them out. They need to realize that now. They can cut back the missed opportunities and grind their way to an AFC championship or even Super Bowl win. Or they can continue to rely on talent alone and see their season end following another action-packed, entertaining loss.

[007]

Agreed. But 21 of those points werent his defenses fault.

30 points given up is still unacceptable.

[-King-]

30 points given up is still unacceptable.

Holding the Rams under their average would be acceptable.
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[Simply Red]

�� Of the complaints related to Mahomes go to the patchwork offensive line. The Rams pass rush is better than our pass pro. The Chiefs are at least even with the Rams when we ran the ball... Andy needed to stick with the running game.

we're better than the Rams - If you don't see that - I can't help ya.

[RunKC]

3 timeouts.
Ball on the LA 48.
1:28 left.
Why not run KHunt a few times there with the middle wide open?

OT should have been the worst outcome from that series.

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Andy always goes full retard in these situations. That legitimately worries me for January because Mahomes is going to go for it all if given the playcall to do so. The INT play design was so incredibly dumb.

Just a ****ing terrible playcall. Pure idiocy.

[rabblerouser]

Andy always goes full retard in these situations. That legitimately worries me for January because Mahomes is going to go for it all if given the playcall to do so. The INT play design was so incredibly dumb.

Just a ****ing terrible playcall. Pure idiocy.


Andy went Full Reidtard, as he has a tendency to do in these situations.

It's why he's been this generation's Marty Schottenheimer.

[rabblerouser]

Yep, at least against a team like that. Both of Donald's strip sacks came against empty sets. One with Kelce coming in motion to fake a handoff. That should be Tyreek or Hunt on the fake.

Erving also needed help early and often and that's on coaching to provide it.

Those play action deep passes that call for Kelce to block a pass rusher one on one are dangerous and hurt us as well.

The 2nd to last drive should have looked more like the last drive. We had the time and the timeouts remaining to chip away in the middle of the field.

Also could have involved Hunt a lot more. I'm surprised we didn't call more screens to help neutralize Donald and their aggressive pass rush.

So much all of this.

[RunKC]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;m gonna guess Andy Reid would like this playcall back. <br><br>This is pretty aggressive down 3 from the 49 with 1:28 left and three timeouts. <a href="https://t.co/XtGFSo5Y7T">pic.twitter.com/XtGFSo5Y7T</a></p>&mdash; Clay W. (name withheld) (@ClayW. (name withheld)) <a href="https://twitter.com/ClayW. (name withheld)/status/1064772898311888896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Embarrassingly bad playcall here. Andy went full Reidtard. Let’s review:

-Not a single intermediate route in the middle of the goddamn field against the best pass rusher in football who has killed you all night holding the ball. Did we not learn that long developing plays can’t happen against this team? Why in this situation? If Conley’s route simply breaks across the field around the first down marker instead of continuing to go downfield, Pat most likely throws it earlier to a wide open receiver.
-Conley beats his man but his route goes toward the other receivers route is (Robinson?).
-why the **** are we going for it all on 1st down at the LA 48 with 1:28 left in the game and all of our timeouts? Wtf Andy?
-Watkins is already out of the game and you effectively took Kelce out of the play too as a blocker while having Kareem be an option in the flat instead of an intermediate option.

Pure, dumbfounding unapologetic bullshit. That INT isn’t on Mahomes. It’s on ****ing Andy.

[-King-]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;m gonna guess Andy Reid would like this playcall back. <br><br>This is pretty aggressive down 3 from the 49 with 1:28 left and three timeouts. <a href="https://t.co/XtGFSo5Y7T">pic.twitter.com/XtGFSo5Y7T</a></p>&mdash; Clay W. (name withheld) (@ClayW. (name withheld)) <a href="https://twitter.com/ClayW. (name withheld)/status/1064772898311888896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Embarrassingly bad playcall here. Andy went full Reidtard. Let’s review:

-Not a single intermediate route in the middle of the goddamn field against the best pass rusher in football who has killed you all night holding the ball. Did we not learn that long developing plays can’t happen against this team? Why in this situation? If Conley’s route simply breaks across the field around the first down marker instead of continuing to go downfield, Pat most likely throws it earlier to a wide open receiver.
-Conley beats his man but his route goes toward the other receivers route is (Robinson?).
-why the **** are we going for it all on 1st down at the LA 48 with 1:28 left in the game and all of our timeouts? Wtf Andy?
-Watkins is already out of the game and you effectively took Kelce out of the play too as a blocker while having Kareem be an option in the flat instead of an intermediate option.

Pure, dumbfounding unapologetic bullshit. That INT isn’t on Mahomes. It’s on ****ing Andy.

Wow. That INT is 100% on Mahomes now that I see that angle. Conley is wide open. You can complain that Reid was too aggressive, but that doesn't change that Conley was wide open and Mahomes hung on the ball too long allowing his arm to get hit.
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[-King-]

Shit, there are THREE people covering Robinson of all people. Why was Mahomes trying to throw there of all places? If Mahomes throws to Conley then worst case scenario is that we run 3 more plays and have to settle for a tying field goal.
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[rabblerouser]

Shit, there are THREE people covering Robinson of all people. Why was Mahomes trying to throw there of all places? If Mahomes throws to Conley then worst case scenario is that we run 3 more plays and have to settle for a tying field goal.
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He probably WAS trying to hit Conley; the defender hit his arm, causing the throw to hang high, short, and wide of the intended target.

[Imon Yourside]

3 timeouts.
Ball on the LA 48.
1:28 left.
Why not run KHunt a few times there with the middle wide open?

OT should have been the worst outcome from that series.

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Right it's all about clock management something Reid is absolutely horrible at and seems to never realize is part of the game.

[-King-]

He probably WAS trying to hit Conley; the defender hit his arm, causing the throw to hang high, short, and wide of the intended target.

If he was trying to hit Conley he waited way too long. Conley was open for a long time, and even more so when his defender stumbled. After seeing that, I don't get why the playcall was bad. If Conley makes that catch, then the worst case scenario is that we kick a FG.
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[rabblerouser]

Right it's all about clock management something Reid is absolutely horrible at and seems to never realize is part of the game.


Full Reidtard.

If he was trying to hit Conley he waited way too long. Conley was open for a long time, and even more so when his defender stumbled. After seeing that, I don't get why the playcall was bad. If Conley makes that catch, then the worst case scenario is that we kick a FG.


Either the call sucked because there were no intermediate routes attacking the (open) middle of the field - we had a timeout - or it just sucked because Mahomes plain old held the ball too long and got hit as he threw.

On that play, Reid sucked, the line sucked, the blocking sucked, the decision sucked, the timing sucked, and getting hit while he passed sucked.

There was a whole lot of suckblame to go around on that one.

[ChiefsFanatic]

Nothing to complain about last night with respect to play calling.

I disagree. We had the ball like, what, on the two yardline, and he called two option plays that ran parallel to the goal line.

We have a high powered offense, with a back like Hunt, a tight end like Kelce, a speedster like Hill, and an "Offensive Genius" calling plays, and that genius couldn't call a better play to get the ball into the endzone?

And as the game went on, except for one TD pass to Hunt, we really failed to use the defense's aggressiveness against them. Some of the plays that led to sacks and pressure on Mahomes didn't even have crossing routes, or a safety valve in the flats.

Reid called a lot of plays that had routes which took time to develop. Time the offensive line could not deliver.

Reid was obviously aware that we had second string, and third string, backup offensive linemen trying to block the best defensive player in the NFL. Not only were we trying to block Donald with backups, but Reid saw the game tape from the previous week where Seattle ran all over the Rams, negating some of Donald's dominance. But did Reid take any cues from that Seattle game? No.

Did our offense score 44 points? Yes. But was the play calling without error? HELL NO. And Reid also showed once again that he doesn't have the ability to manage the clock at the end of games.

Overall, the Chiefs played great offensively, and it does seem silly to suggest that a team that scored 44 points on offense could have done better, but the truth is the play calling could have been better.

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[BigRedChief]

3 timeouts.
Ball on the LA 48.
1:28 left.
Why not run KHunt a few times there with the middle wide open?

OT should have been the worst outcome from that series.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181121/e583e3d019f81e607300eb7e5959b3bd.jpgI've criticized Reid for being too conservative with his play calling late in games. But, this was a situation to run the ball and eat the clock up.


That being said, you play to win the game.

[KChiefs1]

I've criticized Reid for being too conservative with his play calling late in games. But, this was a situation to run the ball and eat the clock up.


That being said, you play to win the game.


It’s hard to try & not to score quickly there. I just think a few runs to get the clock below 45 seconds would have been nice.

Situational football is difficult but I feel that’s where Belichick & Brady are geniuses.

[staylor26]

If he was trying to hit Conley he waited way too long. Conley was open for a long time, and even more so when his defender stumbled. After seeing that, I don't get why the playcall was bad. If Conley makes that catch, then the worst case scenario is that we kick a FG.
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It’s because you’re dealing with a bunch of ****ing morons. The playcall was fine. He clearly had Conley for an easy 1st down and more.

If Andy ran Hunt up the middle “a few times” for no gain they’d bitch about that too. Reid can’t ****ing win. He’s either too aggressive or too conservative with these butt****ing morons. As long as he’s being aggressive, you won’t hear me complaining.

[O.city]

Mahomes stayed on hill too long there. He needed to come to Conley earlier and throw it

It happens. I’d wait and give hill as much time as I could too

[O.city]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;m gonna guess Andy Reid would like this playcall back. <br><br>This is pretty aggressive down 3 from the 49 with 1:28 left and three timeouts. <a href="https://t.co/XtGFSo5Y7T">pic.twitter.com/XtGFSo5Y7T</a></p>&mdash; Clay W. (name withheld) (@ClayW. (name withheld)) <a href="https://twitter.com/ClayW. (name withheld)/status/1064772898311888896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Embarrassingly bad playcall here. Andy went full Reidtard. Let’s review:

-Not a single intermediate route in the middle of the goddamn field against the best pass rusher in football who has killed you all night holding the ball. Did we not learn that long developing plays can’t happen against this team? Why in this situation? If Conley’s route simply breaks across the field around the first down marker instead of continuing to go downfield, Pat most likely throws it earlier to a wide open receiver.
-Conley beats his man but his route goes toward the other receivers route is (Robinson?).
-why the **** are we going for it all on 1st down at the LA 48 with 1:28 left in the game and all of our timeouts? Wtf Andy?
-Watkins is already out of the game and you effectively took Kelce out of the play too as a blocker while having Kareem be an option in the flat instead of an intermediate option.

Pure, dumbfounding unapologetic bullshit. That INT isn’t on Mahomes. It’s on ****ing Andy.
Conley is open on an intermediate route in the middle of the field. They rolled the pocket to get away from Donald

Pat needs to throw it to Conley when he’s open

[RunKC]

If he was trying to hit Conley he waited way too long. Conley was open for a long time, and even more so when his defender stumbled. After seeing that, I don't get why the playcall was bad. If Conley makes that catch, then the worst case scenario is that we kick a FG.
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Mahomes didn’t throw it to Conley quickly because he was looking at Tyreek first.

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[RunKC]

I've criticized Reid for being too conservative with his play calling late in games. But, this was a situation to run the ball and eat the clock up.


That being said, you play to win the game.

You have to be smart. Andy is running a play with 3 receivers going long.

You score and the Rams have over a minute to win it. It was 1st and 10 and we had all 3 time outs.

Run the clock

[O.city]

I don’t think Conley scores there though. I’m guessing he’s tackled at about the 15

[WhiteWhale]

You have to be smart. Andy is running a play with 3 receivers going long.

You score and the Rams have over a minute to win it. It was 1st and 10 and we had all 3 time outs.

Run the clock

With a minute and a half, 3 timeouts at midfield, and a 3 point game basically everything was an option.

The only thing you really want to avoid is a quick score or a sack. So... avoid deep drops.

Quick passes and runs.

I have a feeling Andy was feeling pretty invincible at that point.

[WhiteWhale]

I refuse to listen to complaints about play calling when the Chiefs put 51 points on the board.

I'd be pleased to listen to discussion and comment about defensive decisions when the team gives up 54.

The problem is that KC's offense scored some of those 54 FOR the Rams.

[NJChiefsFan]

It’s because you’re dealing with a bunch of ****ing morons. The playcall was fine. He clearly had Conley for an easy 1st down and more.

If Andy ran Hunt up the middle “a few times” for no gain they’d bitch about that too. Reid can’t ****ing win. He’s either too aggressive or too conservative with these butt****ing morons. As long as he’s being aggressive, you won’t hear me complaining.

I tend to agree with your overall point, but at the same time if we are in the SB against the Rams or to me even worse, the Saints, idk what I would do. Most of me feels you just get the TD and hope for the best.

That being said, I trust the offense to drain the clock and still get a TD more than I trust the D to protect the lead afterwards. If Berry is back that would affect it as well. I would say with the Saints, I would really consider risking it by draining the clock. Brees is not likely to throw a ball to Scandrick. I personally would not blame Reid for taking that approach. I really don't blame him for the approach he took either.

[staylor26]

I tend to agree with your overall point, but at the same time if we are in the SB against the Rams or to me even worse, the Saints, idk what I would do. Most of me feels you just get the TD and hope for the best.

That being said, I trust the offense to drain the clock and still get a TD more than I trust the D to protect the lead afterwards. If Berry is back that would affect it as well. I would say with the Saints, I would really consider risking it by draining the clock. Brees is not likely to throw a ball to Scandrick. I personally would not blame Reid for taking that approach. I really don't blame him for the approach he took either.

The thing is, like O.City said, Conley likely doesn’t score there anyways.

[NJChiefsFan]

The thing is, like O.City said, Conley likely doesn’t score there anyways.

I wasn't referring to any one play. I meant the drive we did score on.

[petegz28]

You have to be smart. Andy is running a play with 3 receivers going long.

You score and the Rams have over a minute to win it. It was 1st and 10 and we had all 3 time outs.

Run the clockUnless we don't score a TD...this us the ultimate in hind sight.....you score when you can. The only other option is if you need a fg to win and you're in fg range. Then you can run some clock. But when you need 6 you take it when you can.

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[petegz28]

People are complaining because we gave the rams over a minute to score but the say if we ran the clock and only got a fg we would have forced ot. And if we had lost the toss then what? You never run the clock assuming you'll get a td in the end or worse you'll win the toss and score a td.

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