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Direckshun
11-20-2018, 04:33 PM
His value couldn't possibly be higher right now, we need the cap space to retain Ford, Hill, and possibly make a free agency splash.

Teams might be wavering due to his injury, so just take a pick in 2020 conditional on his health. I bet you can get a 2nd for him.

Guys, I'm telling you, you're going to need the flexibility the LDT pick would give you to move up in the 1st round for a corner or an Allen Bailey replacement or something of that nature.

Andrew Wylie kept Mahomes clean, and has been a road grader in the run game.

I love LDT but this team needs capspace and they need it now. Why wouldn't you use the least important position on the offense to make some?

pugsnotdrugs19
11-20-2018, 06:45 PM
Depth dude. It’s important. We’re down two starting linemen right now, so you obviously need as many good ones as you can get.

Again, not a position group to pinch pennies with. Just ask the Seahawks and Colts how that worked the past few years prior to 2018.

kccrow
11-21-2018, 08:52 AM
Umm... move Wylie to LG and Erving back to OC and don't worry about the starting OL next year, just more depth?

WhiteWhale
11-21-2018, 08:58 AM
Yeah man. One thing that hasn't been a problem is the offensive line, which is why Mahomes is one of the most frequently pressured QB's in the NFL. They were particularly great against the Rams. No problems there.

Suh has been shit this year anyway. The Rams run D is trash and he hasn't been an elite pass rusher in years.

I don't think weakening an already weak unit is a great strategy.

The Franchise
11-21-2018, 10:30 AM
Umm... move Wylie to LG and Erving back to OC and don't worry about the starting OL next year, just more depth?

No love for Devey at OC?

frozenchief
11-21-2018, 11:07 AM
Depth dude. It’s important. We’re down two starting linemen right now, so you obviously need as many good ones as you can get.

Again, not a position group to pinch pennies with. Just ask the Seahawks and Colts how that worked the past few years prior to 2018.

Colts are Exhibit A. Ballard has drafted a great O line to protect Luck and look at what Indy is doing. Next year Indy-Houston will be fierce competition as Indy again becomes relevant, barring injury.

QBs, WRs and DBs look cool and get the press but football always has been, and always will be, won in the trenches.

New World Order
11-21-2018, 11:21 AM
I dunno but we need to draft an interior lineman and replace Erving.

Erving is great for depth but he's not a starter.

Dante84
11-21-2018, 12:50 PM
I'd love to see a good article on the Chiefs cap situation as it relates to sustaining and building on immediate success (2019) and then also the remaining years of Mahomes rookie contract.

RealSNR
11-21-2018, 02:19 PM
Listen, it's been remarkable that Erving has transformed into the player he is compared to what he was when we traded for him, but am I alone in thinking we should try to improve over him at LG?

Now that we have our franchise QB, I've come full circle on investing in fatties. Yes, if this were Alex or some other trashpile QB I'd be absolutely ecstatic over finding discount OL who do the job well enough, but now I'd like to see us try to find the very best.

I think Quenton Nelson has transformed the entire left side of that Colts OL, and it's turned Andrew Luck back into a real QB. It'd be cool if we could get the best like that for Mahomes. No, we'll never be in a position in the top 10 to draft another Nelson, but OGs can still turn into top-of-the-league players if drafted in the back of the 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd (Will Shields ring a bell to anyone?)

kccrow
11-21-2018, 06:10 PM
Listen, it's been remarkable that Erving has transformed into the player he is compared to what he was when we traded for him, but am I alone in thinking we should try to improve over him at LG?

Now that we have our franchise QB, I've come full circle on investing in fatties. Yes, if this were Alex or some other trashpile QB I'd be absolutely ecstatic over finding discount OL who do the job well enough, but now I'd like to see us try to find the very best.

I think Quenton Nelson has transformed the entire left side of that Colts OL, and it's turned Andrew Luck back into a real QB. It'd be cool if we could get the best like that for Mahomes. No, we'll never be in a position in the top 10 to draft another Nelson, but OGs can still turn into top-of-the-league players if drafted in the back of the 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd (Will Shields ring a bell to anyone?)

Might be in a position to grab a guy like Dalton Risner though, who looks like he could end up a stud moving back inside.

kccrow
11-21-2018, 06:12 PM
No love for Devey at OC?

I'd rather just roll with Reiter and the development of that Murray kid from Holy Cross than to bother bringing that shit stain back into the fold.

RunKC
11-21-2018, 08:45 PM
I dunno but we need to draft an interior lineman and replace Erving.

Erving is great for depth but he's not a starter.

Really? I think he’s been rock solid most of this season.

He got killed by Donald, but hey that’s basicallt every OL.

Hammock Parties
11-21-2018, 11:14 PM
I doubt his contract is tradeable, or that the Chiefs would get much in return if it was.

He's not Larry Allen.

Chief Roundup
11-21-2018, 11:44 PM
If we trade him his entire signing bonus escalates to the cap. We could spread it over 2 years but that is not saving us much on the cap and then we still have to replace him on the roster. IF we save anything it would be so minimal that it would be offset by the loss in ability to protect our franchise QB.
No thanks.

pugsnotdrugs19
11-22-2018, 04:08 PM
Protecting Mahomes is priority #1 for as long as he is here so there’s zero reason to trade our best pass protecting guard.

Buckweath
11-26-2018, 10:36 PM
Protecting Mahomes is priority #1 for as long as he is here so there’s zero reason to trade our best pass protecting guard.

Exactly. I am hoping Veach drafts an OL with one of the picks in the first 2 rounds.

There is nothing to take for granted in regards to this OL. Veach should look to improve it as much as possible for the foreseeable future.

Pasta Little Brioni
11-29-2018, 12:39 AM
Because he wouldn't bring anything back in a,deal. JFC...

O.city
11-29-2018, 08:50 AM
I'm not drafting a LG that early. Maybe a center with one of the 2nds, but even then, meh.

This regime has shown they can find and develop OL talent.

Pasta Little Brioni
11-29-2018, 09:13 AM
Voyager the Loon

RunKC
11-29-2018, 12:22 PM
Exactly. I am hoping Veach drafts an OL with one of the picks in the first 2 rounds.

There is nothing to take for granted in regards to this OL. Veach should look to improve it as much as possible for the foreseeable future.

Why? I think our OL is in great shape.

Tackles: Schwartz and Fisher are both here for at least 2 more years. Cam Erving is an emergency swing tackle.

Guards: LDT is a top 10 G on a very friendly contract. Erving has looked solid aside from playing a generational DT. Wylie has been excellent as a backup and can be kept next year for cheap.

Center: Morse is probably gone, but Reiter has been a very good backup and can be kept for a cheap price next year. McKenzie is built like a C and the team is extremely high on him.

Could also keep Jeff Allen next year at a low price. He was very good here in his last season.

I don’t think we need to prioritize OL before rd 3.

Hoover
11-29-2018, 08:21 PM
Why? I think our OL is in great shape.

Tackles: Schwartz and Fisher are both here for at least 2 more years. Cam Erving is an emergency swing tackle.

Guards: LDT is a top 10 G on a very friendly contract. Erving has looked solid aside from playing a generational DT. Wylie has been excellent as a backup and can be kept next year for cheap.

Center: Morse is probably gone, but Reiter has been a very good backup and can be kept for a cheap price next year. McKenzie is built like a C and the team is extremely high on him.

Could also keep Jeff Allen next year at a low price. He was very good here in his last season.

I don’t think we need to prioritize OL before rd 3.
I don't know if you need to invest one of our 1st or 2nd rounders on the Oline, but I do think you need to be looking in the middle rounds for some developmental guys.

We have Wylie cheap for a couple years, which is a luxury, but I've never heard of McKenzie being developed as a center. Which is why I think you look for an OT or Center starting in the 3rd or 4th.

CoMoChief
11-30-2018, 02:09 AM
Suh is overrated.

RunKC
11-30-2018, 12:08 PM
I don't know if you need to invest one of our 1st or 2nd rounders on the Oline, but I do think you need to be looking in the middle rounds for some developmental guys.

We have Wylie cheap for a couple years, which is a luxury, but I've never heard of McKenzie being developed as a center. Which is why I think you look for an OT or Center starting in the 3rd or 4th.

I agree with everything you posted.

I wouldn’t mind a 3rd rd OL. Think our 1st and 2nd rd picks need to be on the field right away.

The Franchise
11-30-2018, 12:10 PM
I'd be looking for an OT that could be our swing tackle and take Fishers job in a couple of years.