NFL MVP... Brees or Mahomes

[Mile High Mania]

So, I think the race comes down to these two guys and could honestly support either winning it all. Take away either player and that team is going to suck. One has vastly better stats, one has fewer losses on the season (team stat).

67.5% Completion / 117.9 QBR / 3,628 yards / 37 TD / 10 INT (186 rushing yards / 2 TDs)
76.9% Completion / 126.9 QBR / 2,964 yards / 25 TD / 1 INT (28 rushing yards / 3 TDs)

Both have their teams at the top of their conferences. One is at the end of the road, the other just getting started. Brees has never earned an MVP and is breaking career records left and right.

Are you fine either way... do you feel that Mahomes without question is the MVP over Brees? Maybe this is the ultimate test of "does the leauge really hate KC"?

[rabblerouser]

Well, I'm biased...but I say Mahomes is Offensive Player of the Year and Brees gets the MVP out of tenure alone...

But honestly, I could give a fuck less about indiviual honors; I want that SB.

[RedRaider56]

Unless Brees has a meltdown, he'll win MVP.
As much as I want Mahomes to win it, his interception totals (including a 5 turnover night against the Rams) pretty much killed his opportunity.

[Marcellus]

Unless Brees has a meltdown, he'll win MVP.
As much as I want Mahomes to win it, his interception totals (including a 5 turnover night against the Rams) pretty much killed his opportunity.

5 games left if he sets the TD record he is MVP, especially if he stays 12-14 TDs ahead of Brees.

I still think we could possibly clinch HFA before week 17 and he sits a game or part of one.

[HemiEd]

It is going to be similar to the 98 Super Bowl that Elway was gifted on his way out.
Many of the talking heads were saying he was the best QB ever not to have won a Super Bowl. Just like they are talking about Brees now, not having won an MVP.
Cooking spray anyone?

Seriously though, unless Brees shits the bed, the 5 turnover game probably ended it for Mahomes.

[Skyy God]

Mahomies should win it, Brees will win it.

Career valediction > insane production

[Mile High Mania]

It is going to be similar to the 98 Super Bowl that Elway was gifted on his way out.
Many of the talking heads were saying he was the best QB ever not to have won a Super Bowl. Just like they are talking about Brees now, not having won an MVP.
Cooking spray anyone?

Seriously though, unless Brees shits the bed, the 5 turnover game probably ended it for Mahomes.

I dunno... if PM approaches 50 TDs which is totally plausible, I think he can get it. Both playing great right now, 1 INT is pretty wild.

[Marcellus]

It is going to be similar to the 98 Super Bowl that Elway was gifted on his way out.
Many of the talking heads were saying he was the best QB ever not to have won a Super Bowl. Just like they are talking about Brees now, not having won an MVP.
Cooking spray anyone?

Seriously though, unless Brees shits the bed, the 5 turnover game probably ended it for Mahomes.

5 turnover game but he still has a commanding lead in TD's. If turnovers were a real factor in all of this Favre would have never won an MVP.

Whats crazy is Brees completion %.

[Marcellus]

I dunno... if PM approaches 50 TDs which is totally plausible, I think he can get it. Both playing great right now, 1 INT is pretty wild.

5 games to get 13 TDs with 2 games against the Raiders? He should blow past 50.

[Mile High Mania]

5 games to get 13 TDs with 2 games against the Raiders? He should blow past 50.

Totally agree.

[carcosa]

MAHOMES BICH

[TribalElder]

I think it goes to brees since he has never won it

If mahomes would have had a game winning drive I would be less convinced about brees

[Marcellus]

Imagine has someone told us before the season that this would be Mahomes total for the entire season 37/10.

Most people would have said hell yea.

[ClevelandBronco]

Having seen five minutes of Mahomes this season and zero minutes of Brees, I’d have to vote Mahomes. I saw the left handed pass, so I’ll give it to him for that play alone. And from what I can gather from people who pay far more attention, Brees has the handicap (handicap when it comes to MVP, anyway) of playing for the better team.

[KChiefs1]

I'm glad the Todd Gurley for MVP talk has subsided.

This is down to 3 candidates IMHO.

Patrick Mahomes
Drew Brees
Andrew Luck

I think the next month separates them.

[BWillie]

Have to go Brees at this time unfortunately

[Yehoodi]

Although he played well offensive Sunday night, the three picks and two fumbles hurt. Also, the chiefs have lost two of the under the lights games against the better teams in the league when the Saints beat the Rams.

Mahomes has more TDs and more yards, on the other hand Brees only has one INT, a higher QB rating and higher completion percentage (nearly 5% points over the record he set last year). So Brees could set the completion percentage and be near the top of fewest INT (Brady at 2 is record).

As it stand now i have Brees the leader, but there are still 5 games to play and anything can happen.

[wazu]

I vote Mahomes. All I really care is that he wins Super Bowl MVP, though.

[mlyonsd]

Depends on the post season.

[patteeu]

It's not a career award, so Mahomes, but I bet Brees is the frontrunner now because of career accomplishments.

[O.city]

I'd give it to Brees at this point. Mahomes has been awesome, but Brees is just on a crazy pace.

[InChiefsHeaven]

If the MVP is equivalent to a lifetime achievment award, then Brees gets it hands down. The 5 turnover night for Mahomes makes that a little easier, but damn, unless something bad happens Mahomes should break the records for TD's and yardage. How is that not MVP? Too bad for Brees that he wasn't able to accomplish this stuff last season.

But yeah, I'd rather have a SB and screw that other stuff.

[The Franchise]

Mahomes should win it. Bree’s has the better overall team around him. Better offensive line and defense for sure.

[Gravedigger]

It depends on if the voters want to reward flawless efficiency or if they want to reward lavish numbers. I could see them going either way, if Patrick keeps up with his TDs, eclipsing Tom Brady's number or amazingly getting the record from Manning, and gets the Chiefs a first round bye in his Rookie season, you can't argue with that with efficiency and nostalgic feelings of Brees should get one in his career.

I think if you're talking MVP, Most Valuable Player, then you should go with Brees. He's more valuable to the Saints than Mahomes is to the Chiefs. We've seen Andy Reid take teams with Alex Smith at the helm to the playoffs for years now, he would be able to do it again without Mahomes. I can't say the same for Brees though, I don't think Sean Payton could guarantee a playoff spot to Alex Smith if he was on the Saints and Brees wasn't.

Just as long as you never mention Todd Gurley "in the race" again, we're good. No RB is competing with QB's for MVP in this league for the forseeable future, no matter how good he is.

[O.city]

Mahomes should win it. Bree’s has the better overall team around him. Better offensive line and defense for sure.

Offensive line for sure and running game.

But weapons wise, not really. The Chiefs weapons are probably the best in the league when everyone is a go.

[The Franchise]

Offensive line for sure and running game.

But weapons wise, not really. The Chiefs weapons are probably the best in the league when everyone is a go.

Look at the defense though.

[O.city]

Chris Simms had a good segment about it on his podcast. He says the Chiefs offense is based more around Mahomes and Brees is a bit more cog in the machine.

[OKchiefs]

Brees will win, and that's okay. Mahomes'time will come. In 2 years Brees will be retired or a shell of his former self, whereas Mahomes should still have 15 more years of dominance. Saints fans are about to join Patriots, Chargers, and Steelers fans rooting for bottom feeder franchises.

[O.city]

Look at the defense though.

Cheifs d is leading the league in sacks.

[Best22]

It is going to be similar to the 98 Super Bowl that Elway was gifted on his way out.
Many of the talking heads were saying he was the best QB ever not to have won a Super Bowl. Just like they are talking about Brees now, not having won an MVP.
Cooking spray anyone?

Seriously though, unless Brees shits the bed, the 5 turnover game probably ended it for Mahomes.

That wasn’t a gift. 1998 Broncos were stacked

There was cheating involved but they created (illegally) the bet team in football

[Amnorix]

Sick as Mahomes season has been, I think it's Brees. 25/1 TD/INT ratio is better than 37/10. Would you trade 12 more TDs for 9 more picks? Yeah, didn't think so.

Plus he'll get the nostalgia vote, if Brees seriously has never won MVP. How that's possible I have no idea, but yeah, that will seal it. Everyone will say Mahomes is young and will have plenty more chances. It's not fair, but it's reality. All else being equal, it will be the tie breaker though I don't see it as equal right now. Still plenty of football left this season though.

[Amnorix]

That wasn’t a gift. 1998 Broncos were stacked

There was cheating involved but they created (illegally) the bet team in football


I hate them, but I watched more than enough of them to know that those Broncos teams were sick. They were completely dominant for three years. I remember being damn glad the Jags somehow beat them in 1996 so the Patriots could play the Jags not the Broncos in the AFCCG. Terrell Davis turned a damn good team into a completely disgusting one.

[Easy 6]

My choice is clear, but barring a complete meltdown Brees will run away with it for sentimental reasons

[O.city]

Sick as Mahomes season has been, I think it's Brees. 25/1 TD/INT ratio is better than 37/10. Would you trade 12 more TDs for 9 more picks? Yeah, didn't think so.

Plus he'll get the nostalgia vote, if Brees seriously has never won MVP. How that's possible I have no idea, but yeah, that will seal it. Everyone will say Mahomes is young and will have plenty more chances. It's not fair, but it's reality. All else being equal, it will be the tie breaker though I don't see it as equal right now. Still plenty of football left this season though.

I mean, I get that, but even if every INT led to a TD, that's still plus 21 in total points.

[Best22]

I mean, I get that, but even if every INT led to a TD, that's still plus 21 in total points.

Factor in rushing touchdowns and fumbles (lost) and it becomes 39/12, 28/1.

Dead even at 27

[carcosa]

Sick as Mahomes season has been, I think it's Brees. 25/1 TD/INT ratio is better than 37/10. Would you trade 12 more TDs for 9 more picks? Yeah, didn't think so.

Plus he'll get the nostalgia vote, if Brees seriously has never won MVP. How that's possible I have no idea, but yeah, that will seal it. Everyone will say Mahomes is young and will have plenty more chances. It's not fair, but it's reality. All else being equal, it will be the tie breaker though I don't see it as equal right now. Still plenty of football left this season though.

Fuck off!!!!!!

[Amnorix]

I mean, I get that, but even if every INT led to a TD, that's still plus 21 in total points.


Nah, it's not really close in my mind. I don't ever see a 4:3 TD to INT ratio being a good thing.

But hey, why declare now -- if Brees has just one or two bad games, it could quickly go from 25/1 to whatever, 34/7 by year end, and while that's a great year, it wouldn't compare really with, say, 52/14 or whatever Mahomes could realistically get to.

[Amnorix]

Fuck off!!!!!!


Why, n00b?

[lcarus]

Guy is on pace for 53 TDs and 5200 yards and might not get MVP. Thats crazy to me.

[Mile High Mania]

Guy is on pace for 53 TDs and 5200 yards and might not get MVP. Thats crazy to me.

Yeah, it's going to get very interesting if PM is in that range...

[Chiefnj2]

Legit candidates;

Chiefs - Mahomes and Hill.
Rams - Gurley and Donald
Bears - Mack
Saints - Brees

[carcosa]

Why, n00b?

Because you are Patriots scum and should fuck off for eternity!!!!! Thank u

[jaa1025]

The gap was closing prior to the Rams game but Mahomes still had the lead IMO. After the Rams game, on national TV, Mahomes was having an MVP type of game until the final 2 drives. His arm was bumped and he threw an INT and then threw another INT on a poorly thrown ball (didn't get set...and probably a bad decision anyways).

He will probably need to play flawlessly from here and Brees needs to have a bad game or two for Mahomes to win it. The Saints still play the Steelers, Cowboys, and 2 games against Carolina that could be tough but none really have that good of defenses even in todays NFL.

[In58men]

Legit candidates;

Chiefs - Mahomes and Hill.
Rams - Gurley and Donald
Bears - Mack
Saints - Brees

Vikings- Danielle Hunter

He’s having a monster year and stays on the field unlike Mack. Gets overlooked because Mack and Donald are ESPNs favorites.

[The Franchise]

Legit candidates;

Chiefs - Mahomes and Hill.
Rams - Gurley and Donald
Bears - Mack
Saints - Brees

Sorry but Gurley, HIll, Donald and Mack don't have a chance at MVP. It will always be a QB's award as long as the stats are like they are.

[O.city]

I would actually give it to Donald at this point but he'll never win it.

[RealSNR]

Any one person who votes for Gurley needs to kill themselves for being so fucking stupid.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Depends what Brees does this week... He has played one less game and this week he will have stats for 11 games, equivalent to Mahomes. If he goes 4 TD's - 0 picks that makes him the front runner. If he throws a couple of picks it will be closer.

[Dante84]

I think Pat pulls back ahead if one of two, or both, things happen:

- he gets 51+ TD’s (passes Brady’s best season, 2nd place all time if under 55)
- he throws 8 TD’s in a game (sets record for most in a game, can do it against Raiders)

I think he sits week 17 against the Raiders which limits his games to 4. He’ll need to average 4 per game to hit 51.

- Raiders 3-8 TD’s - we could let off the gas and run a lot when we have the lead.
- Chargers 3-5 TD’s - could be another shootout
- Ravens 2-4 TD’s - meh
- Seahawks 2-4 TD’s - meh
- Raiders (May sit out)

Best case, 58 TD’s and most all time. Worst case, 47 TD’s.

[ModSocks]

I'm glad the Todd Gurley for MVP talk has subsided.

This is down to 3 candidates IMHO.

Patrick Mahomes
Drew Brees
Andrew Luck

I think the next month separates them.

Andrew Luck? Dafuq?

He'll get come back player of the year and be happy with it.

[The Franchise]

Andrew Luck? Dafuq?

He'll get come back player of the year and be happy with it.

If you think anybody is beating J.J. Watt for comeback player of the year.....you're mistaken.

[BryanBusby]

Right now it would have to be Drew Brees, but Pat certainly isn't out of the mix.

His great OL helps a lot, but dang you gotta appreciate what the dude is doing at 39.

[Amnorix]

Guy is on pace for 53 TDs and 5200 yards and might not get MVP. Thats crazy to me.


Welcome to the "new" NFL. I saw a tweet that only six guys in NFL history had ____ yards and ___ TDs by Game 10 and each had won the NFL MVP that year.

Goff and Mahomes BOTH had those stats when they met last Monday, and that wasn't even counting Brees' sick season (I think Brees didn't meet the yardage number but don't recall).

It's a sick all-offense world now. All the old records for scoring, TDs, passing, receiving etc. should fall within the current generation, except maybe Rice's lifetime numbers.

[Amnorix]

Because you are Patriots scum and should fuck off for eternity!!!!! Thank u


I'll take that under advisement.

[Best22]

Right now it would have to be Drew Brees, but Pat certainly isn't out of the mix.

His great OL helps a lot, but dang you gotta appreciate what the dude is doing at 39.

I also appreciate that a 23 year old leads the league in touchdowns and yards

[Mahomer]

Sick as Mahomes season has been, I think it's Brees. 25/1 TD/INT ratio is better than 37/10. Would you trade 12 more TDs for 9 more picks? Yeah, didn't think so.

Plus he'll get the nostalgia vote, if Brees seriously has never won MVP. How that's possible I have no idea, but yeah, that will seal it. Everyone will say Mahomes is young and will have plenty more chances. It's not fair, but it's reality. All else being equal, it will be the tie breaker though I don't see it as equal right now. Still plenty of football left this season though.

Except 3 of those picks were essentially hail marys. LOL. The Saints have basically never been in a hail mary position all season. Not surprising Brees doesn't have any of those garbage time picks. All Qbs have those. Rodgers/Manning/Brady. Not sure why Mahomes is getting penalized for that.

And even if all 10 were poor in-game decisions, 10 ints is still ridiculously low for someone who leads the league in passing yards. Go look up the passing yardage kings all these years. Almost no one has fewer ints than Mahomes does.

As far as completion percentage, yes Brees is killing it but Mahomes isn't shabby himself at almost 68%. Considering Brees has 60 plus fewer passing attempts, of course, his completion percentage will be inflated. That's basically equivalent to Mahomes having to play almost 2 more games than Brees. So, of course, Mahomes percentage will be hurt because of variance and Brees percentage will be better.

Ironically I am of the mindset that the lifetime award aspect of this conversation actually hurts Brees here. If Brees never winning an MVP is weighted into this conversation then I am weighing the fact that Mahomes is essentially a rookie vs Brees and of course because of that it's way easier for Brees to do what he's doing after 15 whatever years of experience than it is for Mahomes to be doing this. I don't buy the, "he's young, he'll have other chances...." MVP years are specifically designed to recognize abnormal playing years. Mahomes year is 10x more abnormal considering Mahomes age and experience than Brees not throwing picks as a 15-year vet.

Look at Cam Newton/Rodgers/Matt Ryan/ none of them had a year quite like their MVP seasons. There is no evidence Mahomes will catch lightning in a bottle again. Defenses were not planning for Mahomes until well after his 14-0 TD to int ratio start. If I was voting no way I vote Brees.

[jjchieffan]

I have always been a fan of Drew Brees. He has had a great career. It's hard to believe that he has never been league MVP. But it's always been like it is this year. His greatest seasons have been not quite as good as a career year by another great. Most years, Brees would be hands down the MVP. Who could have imagined that a first year starter would be on Pace for a 50 TD season? I'll be disappointed if Mahomes doesn't win it. But I'll still be happy for Brees.

[Shaid]

Well, I'm biased...but I say Mahomes is Offensive Player of the Year and Brees gets the MVP out of tenure alone...

But honestly, I could give a **** less about indiviual honors; I want that SB.

I think this is how it probably goes. Next month could change things.

[Chief Roundup]

Brees.

[In58men]

1. Mahomes

2. Brees

3. Hunter

4. Gurley

5. Donald

/thread

[milkshock]

Except 3 of those picks were essentially hail marys. LOL. The Saints have basically never been in a hail mary position all season. Not surprising Brees doesn't have any of those garbage time picks. All Qbs have those. Rodgers/Manning/Brady. Not sure why Mahomes is getting penalized for that.

And even if all 10 were poor in-game decisions, 10 ints is still ridiculously low for someone who leads the league in passing yards. Go look up the passing yardage kings all these years. Almost no one has fewer ints than Mahomes does.

As far as completion percentage, yes Brees is killing it but Mahomes isn't shabby himself at almost 68%. Considering Brees has 60 plus fewer passing attempts, of course, his completion percentage will be inflated. That's basically equivalent to Mahomes having to play almost 2 more games than Brees. So, of course, Mahomes percentage will be hurt because of variance and Brees percentage will be better.

Ironically I am of the mindset that the lifetime award aspect of this conversation actually hurts Brees here. If Brees never winning an MVP is weighted into this conversation then I am weighing the fact that Mahomes is essentially a rookie vs Brees and of course because of that it's way easier for Brees to do what he's doing after 15 whatever years of experience than it is for Mahomes to be doing this. I don't buy the, "he's young, he'll have other chances...." MVP years are specifically designed to recognize abnormal playing years. Mahomes year is 10x more abnormal considering Mahomes age and experience than Brees not throwing picks as a 15-year vet.

Look at Cam Newton/Rodgers/Matt Ryan/ none of them had a year quite like their MVP seasons. There is no evidence Mahomes will catch lightning in a bottle again. Defenses were not planning for Mahomes until well after his 14-0 TD to int ratio start. If I was voting no way I vote Brees.
yes another interesting stat is that Mahomes has thrown no picks in 5 of the 11 games, which supports the idea that a lot of the picks were hail mary's/garbage time INT's.

[Imon Yourside]

I don't care and neither does Pat, SB champs or bust. Learn some clock management and git gud.

[ChiefBlueCFC]

Gotta say: really don't care if Mahomes gets MVP. Obviously, it would be cool if Mahomes won MVP and we got the recognition deserved but I'd rather just win in Jan and Feb.

But if I had to pick, I'd say Brees, but its basically a coin-flip.

[Mile High Mania]

yes another interesting stat is that Mahomes has thrown no picks in 5 of the 11 games, which supports the idea that a lot of the picks were hail mary's/garbage time INT's.

Jags game he threw two, one in the 1st half and one in the 4th.
Pats game he threw two, both in the first half.
CIN game he threw one in the 3rd.
DEN game he threw one in the 4th.
CLE game he threw one in the first half.

So, I don't know if you can say they were all hail mary's/garbage time. It's not terrible by any means, QBs throw INTs.

[Imon Yourside]

Jags game he threw two, one in the 1st half and one in the 4th.
Pats game he threw two, both in the first half.
CIN game he threw one in the 3rd.
DEN game he threw one in the 4th.
CLE game he threw one in the first half.

So, I don't know if you can say they were all hail mary's/garbage time. It's not terrible by any means, QBs throw INTs.

Cleveland game was a half ending hail mary, the two in the Jags games were one a great defensive play and 2 a miscommunication with his receiver. Pats game the 2 were painful and one was just a bait job. Bengals game he was just being greedy. Denver game was a legit pick i think, I don't remember that one. Rams game the one of the helmet was a head scratcher, the 2nd he was hit as he threw but still a horrible playcall, last one was a hail mary basically with 15 secs left from our own 25.

[BigCatDaddy]

Guy is on pace for 53 TDs and 5200 yards and might not get MVP. Thats crazy to me.

If he gets 5000 yards and 50 TDs he should definitely win..May not, but should.

[BleedingRed]

Jags game he threw two, one in the 1st half and one in the 4th.
Pats game he threw two, both in the first half.
CIN game he threw one in the 3rd.
DEN game he threw one in the 4th.
CLE game he threw one in the first half.

So, I don't know if you can say they were all hail mary's/garbage time. It's not terrible by any means, QBs throw INTs.

A 23 year old QB who hasn't played 16 games has thrown 37 TD's and damn near 4k yards.......

LET THAT SINK IN

[Chief_N_Bama]

I know I’m biased but Mahomes is having the more impressive season. Completion % is great an all, but I think its as much the function of the system as it is a reflection of Brees’ ability. I mean, the completion % record once belonged to Sam Bradford. No one is gonna argue that he is a HOF’er. Just compare the Qb’s who lead the league in completion % to those who have thrown the most TD’s. The TD list is comprised of franchise QB’s, while the completion list is more of a mixed bag. Put it this way, the Saints offense wouldn’t be much different with Alex Smith at QB, and Alex’s stats wouldn’t be much different from Brees’ in the Saints system. While Mahomes has already exceeded Alex’s production in Andy’s system in just 11 games.

[Valiant]

If he breaks to record he gets it unless brees collapses.

If brees keeps pace it is his.

[Molitoth]

If Scandrick catches that INT and Mahomes finishes that game with 1 INT and a win, Mahomes has the edge.

Because Scandrick sucks ass, those INT's are going to kill Mahomes chances... regardless of the scenario in which they happened.

[bowener]

I'm glad the Todd Gurley for MVP talk has subsided.

This is down to 3 candidates IMHO.

Patrick Mahomes OPOY
Drew Brees MVP
Andrew Luck Comeback Player of the Year

I think the next month separates them.

That is how I see it ending up.

[Imon Yourside]

If Scandrick catches that INT and Mahomes finishes that game with 1 INT and a win, Mahomes has the edge.

Because Scandrick sucks ass, those INT's are going to kill Mahomes chances... regardless of the scenario in which they happened.

Makes me wish we had thrown some picks out there for PP before the trade deadline.

[TEX]

If Scandrick catches that INT and Mahomes finishes that game with 1 INT and a win, Mahomes has the edge.

Because Scandrick sucks ass, those INT's are going to kill Mahomes chances... regardless of the scenario in which they happened.

Yep. And to be clear - SCANDRICK DOES INDEED SUCKS ASS.

[Graystoke]

Brees has the upper hand on this. He is indeed having a hell of a year.

[Red Dawg]

Worthless award. If he throws 50 tds and doesn't get it, thats just plain stupid.

[TEX]

Gotta say: really don't care if Mahomes gets MVP. Obviously, it would be cool if Mahomes won MVP and we got the recognition deserved but I'd rather just win in Jan and Feb.

But if I had to pick, I'd say Brees, but its basically a coin-flip.

Exactly.

[tk13]

If Brees continues at this pace I think he'll get it. End up with like 40 TD and only 2 or 3 INT, while smashing the completion % record? That's pretty tough. Arguably the greatest QB season ever.

[Simply Red]

Don't they wait until the end of the season to vote in this yrs. MVP?

[Mahomer]

Also, the Saints haven't played anyone. Just look at their schedule and then compare that to the Chiefs if you want to laugh.

[Rasputin]

Mahomes is changing the dynamics of quarterback play. He is making other quarterbacks/teams take notice and up their game. Goff rolled out to his left i believe he wouldn't have done that if he hadn't been paying attention to Mahomes.



Mahomes is bringing new fans to the NFL


Naw O'leans has a better defense than the Chiefs

[MahiMike]

MVP - Most Valuable Player. Doesn't have anything to do with stats.

Mahomes is driving this team to the Super Bowl.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Based on what I've seen, Brees should probably get it.

As good as Mahomes has been, Brees has been damn near perfect.

[Amnorix]

Except 3 of those picks were essentially hail marys. LOL. The Saints have basically never been in a hail mary position all season. Not surprising Brees doesn't have any of those garbage time picks. All Qbs have those. Rodgers/Manning/Brady. Not sure why Mahomes is getting penalized for that.

And even if all 10 were poor in-game decisions, 10 ints is still ridiculously low for someone who leads the league in passing yards. Go look up the passing yardage kings all these years. Almost no one has fewer ints than Mahomes does.

As far as completion percentage, yes Brees is killing it but Mahomes isn't shabby himself at almost 68%. Considering Brees has 60 plus fewer passing attempts, of course, his completion percentage will be inflated. That's basically equivalent to Mahomes having to play almost 2 more games than Brees. So, of course, Mahomes percentage will be hurt because of variance and Brees percentage will be better.

Ironically I am of the mindset that the lifetime award aspect of this conversation actually hurts Brees here. If Brees never winning an MVP is weighted into this conversation then I am weighing the fact that Mahomes is essentially a rookie vs Brees and of course because of that it's way easier for Brees to do what he's doing after 15 whatever years of experience than it is for Mahomes to be doing this. I don't buy the, "he's young, he'll have other chances...." MVP years are specifically designed to recognize abnormal playing years. Mahomes year is 10x more abnormal considering Mahomes age and experience than Brees not throwing picks as a 15-year vet.

Look at Cam Newton/Rodgers/Matt Ryan/ none of them had a year quite like their MVP seasons. There is no evidence Mahomes will catch lightning in a bottle again. Defenses were not planning for Mahomes until well after his 14-0 TD to int ratio start. If I was voting no way I vote Brees.


:LOL: You should consider being a lawyer. You can certainly spin facts!

[Deberg_1990]

I’m kinda shocked Brees hasn’t won before?

Guess he’s been blocked by Manning, Brady and Rodgers?

[BleedingRed]

I’m kinda shocked Brees hasn’t won before?

Guess he’s been blocked by Manning, Brady and Rodgers?

or having losing records.........

[jaa1025]

It does help that Brees will have played in a dome 11 games out of 16 this year. His road game at Cincy, mid 40s, 2mph wind, was probably the harshest game weather condition wise he will face. His remaining road games at outdoor stadiums: Bucs and Panthers.

[BleedingRed]

I mean Drew Brees is great and all....

but.........

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4 Division titles in 12 years?

[BleedingRed]

112 - Wins
80 - Loses

That is the Saints with Drew Brees, there are a ton of VALID REASONS he has never won MVP before.

[Imon Yourside]

I mean Drew Brees is great and all....

but.........

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4 Division titles in 12 years?

Looks like the king of 7-9. 5 years at 7-9 just screams MVP baby.

[BleedingRed]

Looks like the king of 7-9. 5 years at 7-9 just screams MVP baby.

Thats my point, what other "MVP" QB has a record like his?

I just saying just because guy has put up stats like no other doesnt mean he has delivered when it mattered.

You don't give MVP to someone because of the history of his play with the current year added in.

The reason Drew Brees has never won MVP is because he never deserved it. Maybe this year he does, but there is no way in hell if Pat throws 50+ TD's that he will deserve it over Pat.

Go figure as soon as Saints get two ALL-PRO backs his completion percentage goes up.

[Imon Yourside]

Thats my point, what other "MVP" QB has a record like his?

I just saying just because guy has put up stats like no other doesnt mean he has delivered when it mattered.

You don't give MVP to someone because of the history of his play with the current year added in.

The reason Drew Brees has never won MVP is because he never deserved it. Maybe this year he does, but there is no way in hell if Pat throws 50+ TD's that he will deserve it over Pat.

Go figure as soon as Saints get two ALL-PRO backs his completion percentage goes up.

I guess we need to put a Dome on Arrowhead and learn some clock management. Maybe bring Alex back to teach Mahomes it's ok to check it down SOMETIMES. I did say Sometimes so please don't go ballistic, I know at this point we all want to err on the side of aggression.

[AssEaterChief]

I'm glad the Todd Gurley for MVP talk has subsided.

This is down to 3 candidates IMHO.

Patrick Mahomes
Drew Brees
Andrew Luck

I think the next month separates them.

I think that is really unfortunate...the Rams offense isn't the same without him and running the ball is already devalued.

There is like 5 QBs having MVP type seasons...it just isn't special any more to see these gaudy numbers.

With that being said, I would go for Brees and that 25:1 TD:INT ratio

[Amnorix]

112 - Wins
80 - Loses

That is the Saints with Drew Brees, there are a ton of VALID REASONS he has never won MVP before.


Let's face it, he's been a top five QB in pretty much every year of his career, but some years he was blocked by an unimpressive W-L record that was mostly caused by pathetic defenses, and other years was blocked by two QBs that are generally considered top five EVER -- Manning and Brady.

[patteeu]

Let's face it, he's been a top five QB in pretty much every year of his career, but some years he was blocked by an unimpressive W-L record that was mostly caused by pathetic defenses, and other years was blocked by two QBs that are generally considered top five EVER -- Manning and Brady.

Mahomes is bumping both of them down a notch. :)

[kcxiv]

Still alot of season left. Mahomes could have a bad game or 2 and so could Brees. Too early.

[chiefzilla1501]

Easily mahomes. But barring some collapse, I think Monday night sealed it in the voters' eyes. I don't like it, but that's probably the case.

That's unfortunate. If Reid was belichick, mahomes would be destroying passing records. And brees will end the season with barely a cold weather challenge.

[ModSocks]

They'll give it to Brees no doubt. They'll look at the turnovers from Mahomes and say Brees was better, despite less yardage and way less TD's.

They'll also ignore the fact that Drew Brees is a check down king. He makes his hay with receivers picking up big YAC, much like Alex Smith.

I remember seeing the metric chart a few weeks ago illustrating that Brees is right there with the likes of Smith and Carr in short yardage passing.

Of course no on in the National media will give a flying fuck about that, not when it comes to Brees of course.

[ModSocks]

That's unfortunate. If Reid was belichick, mahomes would be destroying passing records.

Huh? Dafuq you talkin' 'bout Willis.

[tk13]

You guys have turned into homer city. You're really stretching on some of this Brees stuff. Those four years Brees went 7-9 his defenses ranked 31st, 28th, 31st and 32nd. If I'm not mistaken that defense that finished 32nd set the NFL record for yards allowed. That is horrible.

There have been nine 5000 yard passing seasons in the history of the NFL, and Brees has five of them. Nobody else has done it more than once. He has a legit shot to post 80,000 career passing yards and 550 career TD... and doing that while having the highest completion percentage in the history of the NFL. You can argue he's the best passing QB to ever play the game.

[ModSocks]

You guys have turned into homer city. You're really stretching on some of this Brees stuff. Those four years Brees went 7-9 his defenses ranked 31st, 28th, 31st and 32nd. If I'm not mistaken that defense that finished 32nd set the NFL record for yards allowed. That is horrible.

There have been nine 5000 yard passing seasons in the history of the NFL, and Brees has five of them. Nobody else has done it more than once. He has a legit shot to post 80,000 career passing yards and 550 career TD... and doing that while having the highest completion percentage in the history of the NFL. You can argue he's the best passing QB to ever play the game.

That's nice and all, but we're talking about THIS season. Not a career body of work. The award is for THIS season.

[JakeF]

Brees will get it. Mahomes really hurt his chances against the Rams.

[CoMoChief]

I think they should scrap the MVP award all together. It's basically just a QB award now.

Go back last decade, and only nonQB to win the award was Adrian Peterson in 2012. We all know the most important position on the field is QB.

[patteeu]

You guys have turned into homer city. You're really stretching on some of this Brees stuff. Those four years Brees went 7-9 his defenses ranked 31st, 28th, 31st and 32nd. If I'm not mistaken that defense that finished 32nd set the NFL record for yards allowed. That is horrible.

There have been nine 5000 yard passing seasons in the history of the NFL, and Brees has five of them. Nobody else has done it more than once. He has a legit shot to post 80,000 career passing yards and 550 career TD... and doing that while having the highest completion percentage in the history of the NFL. You can argue he's the best passing QB to ever play the game.

Mahomes' defense is currently 30th, but he's already got 9 wins on the season.

[tk13]

That's nice and all, but we're talking about THIS season. Not a career body of work. The award is for THIS season.

I agree, but people are up here talking about Brees being the king of going 7-9, not deserving of an MVP.

[chiefzilla1501]

Huh? Dafuq you talkin' 'bout Willis.

Imagine mahomes' numbers if Reid wasn't afraid to blow teams out. Belichick runs up the score. Reid doesn't. If we ran up the score mahomes would have even more yards and TDs.

[TribalElder]

if we would have marched down for a game winning drive Mahomie would be out front for the MVP

voters gonna brees it up

[Imon Yourside]

Brees will get it. Mahomes really hurt his chances against the Rams.

I just can't get past that horrible 2 minute offense, this is on Reid too but Mahomes has to know time and situation. Throw that at the feet of Kelce and know the only thing you can't afford is an interception. I think this is what will ultimately cost him MVP as well.

[old_geezer]

Better completion percentage; better QBR; 25 TDs to 1 interception; and he actually beat the Rams. I would vote for Brees without hesitation at this point. :shrug:

[ModSocks]

Imagine mahomes' numbers if Reid wasn't afraid to blow teams out. Belichick runs up the score. Reid doesn't. If we ran up the score mahomes would have even more yards and TDs.

Dude...that's BS.

Do you not recall the Cinici game? I feel like i've said this before. It was just a few weeks ago.

[Best22]

I just can't get past that horrible 2 minute offense, this is on Reid too but Mahomes has to know time and situation. Throw that at the feet of Kelce and know the only thing you can't afford is an interception. I think this is what will ultimately cost him MVP as well.

He already would’ve had a GWD at 51-47 if Scandrick makes that pick

[srvy]

Legit candidates;

Chiefs - Mahomes and Hill.
Rams - Gurley and Donald
Bears - Mack
Saints - Brees

No Luck?

[chiefzilla1501]

Dude...that's BS.

Do you not recall the Cinici game? I feel like i've said this before. It was just a few weeks ago.

And what about San Diego, Pittsburgh, Denver game 2, San Fran, Jacksonville, Cleveland. We had huge leads. Then mostly disappeared in the 4th quarter and I don't think it's because mahomes stopped playing well. We definitely sat on those leads, not running up the score.

[Imon Yourside]

He already would’ve had a GWD at 51-47 if Scandrick makes that pick

You will get no argument from me, this game could have taken a million different turns. I'm not sure we could have changed much at corner that wasn't done in the offseason. Scandrick has been decent at corner about the best you can do on short notice this year but ya I almost feel like we should have given up some draft picks for PP before the trade deadline.

[JakeF]

I just can't get past that horrible 2 minute offense, this is on Reid too but Mahomes has to know time and situation. Throw that at the feet of Kelce and know the only thing you can't afford is an interception. I think this is what will ultimately cost him MVP as well.
He fumbled the ball twice, once for a touchdown.
He threw 3 interceptions, one for a touchdown and one to basically end the game.

All this during a Monday Night Game with the whole world watching. It has to hurt his chances.

[Imon Yourside]

He fumbled the ball twice, once for a touchdown.
He threw 3 interceptions, one for a touchdown and one to basically end the game.

All this during a Monday Night Game with the whole world watching. It has to hurt his chances.

Scandrick intercepts and it's a one interception and the sacks/strips are chalked up to the DPOY. Mahomes leads a 2 minute drive to win with no time on the clock and he avoids 2 picks and moves up with a 6 td/1int game winning drive scoring 58 points.

[JakeF]

Scandrick intercepts and it's a one interception and the sacks/strips are chalked up to the DPOY. Mahomes leads a 2 minute drive to win with no time on the clock and he avoids 2 picks and moves up with a 6 td/1int game winning drive scoring 58 points.
So close to making it happen, right there for the taking.

:(

[Imon Yourside]

So close to making it happen, right there for the taking.

:(

Sorry make that a 7 TD game, that might have locked up MVP for him right their.

Ifs and Buts, I just hope we learned for the playoffs from this experience.

[JakeF]

Scandrick intercepts and it's a one interception and the sacks/strips are chalked up to the DPOY. Mahomes leads a 2 minute drive to win with no time on the clock and he avoids 2 picks and moves up with a 6 td/1int game winning drive scoring 58 points.
Mahomes keeps the ball tucked in with 2 hands while in the pocket.

Minus 2 fumbles, including the strip/sack for a touchdown fumble

We probably win then as well.


so close.

[Imon Yourside]

Mahomes keeps the ball tucked in with 2 hands while in the pocket.

Minus 2 fumbles, including the strip/sack for a touchdown fumble

We probably win then as well.


so close.

Mahomes hits 7 td's last night that's almost a 3rd of Brees season total, but I digress I don't even care that much for the MVP award. I will settle for nothing less than a superbowl victory, then Brees can have his MVP and retire.

[Spott]

Considering that the last 18 MVP’s (19 if you count 2003 when McNair and Manning shared it) have all lost in the playoffs, I hope that Brees gets it.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Aaron Donald should be in the mix... I mean 14.5 sacks as a DT is unreal...

[ThaVirus]

With Brees' efficiency against Mahomes' INT total, he'll get it.

Mahomes could still earn it if he breaks the TD record, though. I think he needs like 19 in 6 weeks. Will be tough but doable.

[stevieray]

Too much football left.

[Best22]

With Brees' efficiency against Mahomes' INT total, he'll get it.

Mahomes could still earn it if he breaks the TD record, though. I think he needs like 19 in 6 weeks. Will be tough but doable.

54 passing and 3 rushing could do it. That’s give him 57 total which would break the record for total touchdowns in a season (Manning had 56 total in 2013)

[Best22]

Considering that the last 18 MVP’s (19 if you count 2003 when McNair and Manning shared it) have all lost in the playoffs, I hope that Brees gets it.

If you’re so superstitious, know that the last MVP to win a Superbowl played in Missouri and had a very prolific year. It was also his first season starting. He was coached by a former Eagle coach who went 0-1 in the Superbowl prior to coming to Missouri.

It’s time

[RedandGold]

If you’re so superstitious, know that the last MVP to win a Superbowl played in Missouri and had a very prolific year. It was also his first season starting. He was coached by a former Eagle coach who went 0-1 in the Superbowl prior to coming to Missouri.

It’s time

I like how you think!

[Valiant]

You guys have turned into homer city. You're really stretching on some of this Brees stuff. Those four years Brees went 7-9 his defenses ranked 31st, 28th, 31st and 32nd. If I'm not mistaken that defense that finished 32nd set the NFL record for yards allowed. That is horrible.

There have been nine 5000 yard passing seasons in the history of the NFL, and Brees has five of them. Nobody else has done it more than once. He has a legit shot to post 80,000 career passing yards and 550 career TD... and doing that while having the highest completion percentage in the history of the NFL. You can argue he's the best passing QB to ever play the game.

You also can say his defense sucks so they cant run the ball., they need to throw 10 to 15 times more per game.

[PAChiefsGuy]

definitey Brees as of right now but a lot of football left to be played... Mahomes needs to get those turnovers down..

[mr. tegu]

Prior to this weekend I felt it was already Brees’ to lose. After the games this weekend I think it’s pretty much set that Brees will win it. The never won it thing is a big factor and since at this point the numbers are a toss up Brees will get it due not having won one.

[CupidStunt]

A lot of takes in here -- some homers, some reasonable, some seemingly thinking Brees is all over it. I'm very 50-50 on it, but here's what I know: Mahomes is the favorite. Literally. He's the Vegas favorite. Generally speaking, this late in the season, I'd imagine the favorite ends up winning a high % of the time.

However, Brees has closed the gap in the past few weeks. A few INTs against Brees would be nice; it's an overrated stat in the context it's currently being used to prop him up. Rodgers also has 1 INT. Matt Ryan has 4, rocking a 22:4 ratio. Meanwhile Big Ben has 10 INTs. Brady has 7. Luck, who's having an unreal year himself, has 9. It's just not a big deal with some context. Shockingly, those QBs all have WAYYYYYY more attempts than Brees. In fact, Brees is basically the world's sickest game manager this year. There are 15 QBs with more attempts. Brees is right there with Cam Newton and Alex Smith, both notorious low-volume guys.

[CupidStunt]

Prior to this weekend I felt it was already Brees’ to lose. After the games this weekend I think it’s pretty much set that Brees will win it. The never won it thing is a big factor and since at this point the numbers are a toss up Brees will get it due not having won one.

This is just not true. It's actually the complete opposite: it's going to be won or lost in the next few weeks. If Mahomes does get 50-55 TD and Brees only ends up with 32-34, there's no way in hell he'll get it. On the other hand, if Mahomes gets like 46-48 and Brees has 36-38, and all the other stats like completion % and his low INTs remain the same, for sure Brees wins.

[ThaVirus]

You guys have turned into homer city. You're really stretching on some of this Brees stuff. Those four years Brees went 7-9 his defenses ranked 31st, 28th, 31st and 32nd. If I'm not mistaken that defense that finished 32nd set the NFL record for yards allowed. That is horrible.

There have been nine 5000 yard passing seasons in the history of the NFL, and Brees has five of them. Nobody else has done it more than once. He has a legit shot to post 80,000 career passing yards and 550 career TD... and doing that while having the highest completion percentage in the history of the NFL. You can argue he's the best passing QB to ever play the game.

Literally no one with eyes outside of New Orleans would come to that conclusion.

[ThaVirus]

I see now that you said best passing QB. Still, who would argue against Dan Marino as the best pure passer in league history?

Drew Brees is great but he's a stat whore. His numbers have been inflated by sheer volume of attempts over the years.

[NWTF]

Prior to this weekend I felt it was already Brees’ to lose. After the games this weekend I think it’s pretty much set that Brees will win it. The never won it thing is a big factor and since at this point the numbers are a toss up Brees will get it due not having won one.

I was surprised hes never won one. Hes been good to great his whole career. Probably passed over in favor of Brady or Manning a couple times due to overall team success. That may well factor in. Really Mahomes has been the story of the season so far and is deserving of MVP, not saying Brees isnt, but the vibe of the season says Mahomes.

[suzzer99]

At this point I think you have to give it to Brees. 1 mother-effig INT.

But there's a lot of season left.

[Halfcan]

Mahomes has been electric this season. Most sports experts picked the Chiefs at the bottom of the division- now we are going to win our 3rd in a row because of PM. His has carried a team with a bad defense most of the year, and a team that will blow away all the stats from the previous year with a different QB. Brees is having a fine year, but has not even been close as far as making the amazing plays Mahomes has made.

Even in stats he is killing Brees. Twice he has thrown 6 TD's and has broken many records already. If he ends up 50 TD's and 5000 yards- there is no way he should not be MVP. He is the Best in the NFL.

As far as Brees not getting an MVP before- that should not even be a factor- it is based on THIS year- not a lifetime achievement award.

[suzzer99]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I can get on board with this. Almost ANY other year I can think of, Mahomes would be having the consensus best year of any QB. Just so happens his 1st year starting coincides with a HOF QB having the best year of his life. <a href="https://t.co/1Drs2k2AGQ">https://t.co/1Drs2k2AGQ</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1065429537213870080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[CaliforniaChief]

Brees for MVP, Mahomes for Super Bowl MVP.

[Hammock Parties]

Mahomes has to win more games than Brees to win it, IMO.

If he doesn't the writers won't care about TDs.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I’m officially at the point of not giving two shits about the MVP award. People won’t shut up about it, specifically on social media, and it makes you realize how meaningless it really is in the big picture.

I just want Mahomes to be the Super Bowl MVP. That’s it.

[jaa1025]

Mahomes has to win more games than Brees to win it, IMO.

If he doesn't the writers won't care about TDs.

I agree. The Chiefs, and Mahomes, need to play flawless for the next 5 games and the Saints need to drop 2 in their next 6...with Brees having a few off games. It might take Mahomes breaking the TD record if not.

[TimeForWasp]

I can calmly and whole heartedly concede and actually be happy to agree that Brees should win the MVP. He deserves it.

I also calmly thought till the last pass that we would beat the Rams.

I can accept this because I know in my heart what we have in Mahomes. and The glory will come.

[Hannah Barbarian]

Well it's far from settled, argument could go both ways:
* tons of TDs (maybe record)
* loads of yards (maybe record)
* decent TD:Turnover ratio
* popular player with fast-growing audience
or
+ sick completion rating
+ awesome passing rating
+ almost no Turnovers
+ HOF player with best season stat-wise

Wins should be about the same, probably 13 or 14 for both teams.

I don't care much about QB box score stats because completion%, passing yards etc. are really a team stat. Of course if you're going for records it MATTERS, but eye test is crucial to understand what's going on.

If we were judging primarily by passer rating or yards, Brees would already have 3+ MVPs. But voters recognized that's not the case. Lots of 7-9 seasons and 40 points games against inferiors.

[007]

Well it's far from settled, argument could go both ways:
* tons of TDs (maybe record)
* loads of yards (maybe record)
* decent TD:Turnover ratio
* popular player with fast-growing audience
or
+ sick completion rating
+ awesome passing rating
+ almost no Turnovers
+ HOF player with best season stat-wise

Wins should be about the same, probably 13 or 14 for both teams.

I don't care much about QB box score stats because completion%, passing yards etc. are really a team stat. Of course if you're going for records it MATTERS, but eye test is crucial to understand what's going on.

If we were judging primarily by passer rating or yards, Brees would already have 3+ MVPs. But voters recognized that's not the case. Lots of 7-9 seasons and 40 points games against inferiors.

I'm not sure NO will lose another game looking at their schedule.

[Hannah Barbarian]

I think they'll get an L somewhere between Panthers games and Steelers bout. But yeah, they look almost invincible atm.

[SuperBowl4]

Mahomes. No question.

[CupidStunt]

Better completion percentage; better QBR; 25 TDs to 1 interception; and he actually beat the Rams. I would vote for Brees without hesitation at this point. :shrug:

I didn't see that before. Referencing the Rams game is ridiculous. He was at home while putting up less points than KC did. He also lost to RYAN FITZPATRICK, does that make Mahomes MVP?

He can win for a myriad of reasons but that is not one of them.

[Hammock Parties]

One reason I keep throwing in the face of Saints fans is their running game is so lethal they don't have to throw it as much.

And that makes Mahomes literally more valuable.

The Chiefs have to lean on their QB more.

[dlphg9]

High completion percentage and low amount of ints? Are we talking about Alex Smith? I know 77% completion percentage is impressive, but look at the top 20 for completion percentage in a season. It's a bunch of no bodies with a few HoF thrown in there. Bradford, Ryan, Cousins, Ken Anderson and Derek Carr are all in the top 10 for highest completion percentages in a year. Hell look at the list of QBs with the fewest ints thrown, that list has Deberg number 2 and Prescott, Smith, Griffin, and Bradford in the top 10. Do those players impress you, because they sure don't impress me. If Mahomes hits 50 tds then he is the MVP hands down. High completion percentage and lack of interceptions shouldn't win someone an MVP. Mahomes is on pace for the 3rd most yards in a single season and is on pace for the 2nd most TD passes ever. His completion percentage is also 67.5 percent right now. He's the MVP. He's on pace to do things only 1 or 2 other QBs have ever done.

[PizzaDoughz]

Nice to see Brees throw an INT tonight. Watching both without question Mahomes is more deserving of the MVP. Brees makes way too many safe horizontal passes and pads his stats and risks getting injured just to take the MVP award from a more deserving Mahomes as he knows this is pretty much his last chance at an MVP.

The only thing worrying me is most vertical offenses tend to slow down in the harsh winters and Brees gets to play in a warm dome all year.

[Imon Yourside]

High completion percentage and low amount of ints? Are we talking about Alex Smith? I know 77% completion percentage is impressive, but look at the top 20 for completion percentage in a season. It's a bunch of no bodies with a few HoF thrown in there. Bradford, Ryan, Cousins, Ken Anderson and Derek Carr are all in the top 10 for highest completion percentages in a year. Hell look at the list of QBs with the fewest ints thrown, that list has Deberg number 2 and Prescott, Smith, Griffin, and Bradford in the top 10. Do those players impress you, because they sure don't impress me. If Mahomes hits 50 tds then he is the MVP hands down. High completion percentage and lack of interceptions shouldn't win someone an MVP. Mahomes is on pace for the 3rd most yards in a single season and is on pace for the 2nd most TD passes ever. His completion percentage is also 67.5 percent right now. He's the MVP. He's on pace to do things only 1 or 2 other QBs have ever done.

Put a healthy Alex Smith on either team and that is your difference. The Saints record would be close to the same. The Chiefs record with our defense would be around 4 or 5 wins. This is the MVP right? thought so, then obviously it's Mahomes.

[dlphg9]

Put a healthy Alex Smith on either team and that is your difference. The Saints record would be close to the same. The Chiefs record with our defense would be around 4 or 5 wins. This is the MVP right? thought so, then obviously it's Mahomes.

Yeah Alex doesn't have near as many wins if he's on this team. He would have lost most of them. Don't get me wrong, his high completion rate is really good and the number of ints he has thrown is incredible, but he isn't doing anything close to what Mahomes is doing.

[Imon Yourside]

Yeah Alex doesn't have near as many wins if he's on this team. He would have lost most of them. Don't get me wrong, his high completion rate is really good and the number of ints he has thrown is incredible, but he isn't doing anything close to what Mahomes is doing.

Then you have Brees who is completing a record amount of passes to his running backs. I'll give you some are downfield throws but referencing the 1st game at NE last year so have a few of Smiths throws.

[CupidStunt]

Anyone watching this game right now could easily be confused who the MVP on the Saints alone is, never mind the league. The offense goes through Kamara. Brees is literally managing the game. He's definitely the most efficient player in the league, but I don't think he's the best or anywhere near the most valuable.

[thegame214]

Brees looking like alex smith with those dump offs to kamara

[tk13]

I feel like you guys are watching a different game. On what planet is Drew Brees anywhere near Alex Smith? When have the Saints ever been considered conservative? They are literally the first team you list when you talk about teams that take chances and play aggressively.

[kccrow]

Hard to say there's anyone that deserves it over Mahomes at this point, but if there were it wouldn't be Brees. I think Goff is more deserving than Brees right now.

[ThaVirus]

I feel like you guys are watching a different game. On what planet is Drew Brees anywhere near Alex Smith? When have the Saints ever been considered conservative? They are literally the first team you list when you talk about teams that take chances and play aggressively.

He throws a ton of short passes to backs and TEs.

All the great ones do, though. Peyton and Brady always worked the short passing game as well.

I'm not sure who would consider any of these guys conservative though.

[-King-]

Hard to say there's anyone that deserves it over Mahomes at this point, but if there were it wouldn't be Brees. I think Goff is more deserving than Brees right now.

Ok this is insane.
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[RealSNR]

Lol. When I think of the NFL's all-time career record holder for passing yards, I don't immediately compare that guy to Alex Smith.

Not quite sure what's going on in this thread.

[In58men]

Did this ninja say Goff over Brees?

Homie must have used Everclear to baste his fucking turkey.

[kccrow]

Ok this is insane.
Posted via Mobile Device

Really?

Goff has 3,547 yards, 26 TD, 6 INT and a 67.7 Comp % and his team is 10-1.

Brees has the Comp % going for him and less turnovers but he's a ways behind Goff and Mahomes in yards and Goff is right there with him in TDs.

[Best22]

Hard to say there's anyone that deserves it over Mahomes at this point, but if there were it wouldn't be Brees. I think Goff is more deserving than Brees right now.

No. Mahomes has far more touchdowns and yards than Goff. 39TD to 27TD. Turnovers are about equal.

Goff isn’t in the running until he ups his touchdown numbers

You just can’t ignore Mahomes’ 37 TD, 10 INT, 67.5% completion, 3,628 yards, and 2 rushing TD

[kccrow]

No. Mahomes has far more touchdowns and yards than Goff. 39TD to 27TD. Turnovers are about equal.

Goff isn’t in the running until he ups his touchdown numbers

It's me thinking Goff deserves to be more in the running than Brees. I don't think either are close enough to Mahomes, I stated that. You gotta read man. Read.

[RealSNR]

Did this ninja say Goff over Brees?

Homie must have used Everclear to baste his fucking turkey.

houstonwhodat is that you?

[TrebMaxx]

This season so far I think the MVP is

https://i.postimg.cc/cH5rhQBj/MVPFlag.jpg (https://postimg.cc/N9msf2V7)

[cooper barrett]

I'll give it to Brees unless Mahomes tears it out of his paws in a SB victory. Mahomes still deserves a nod at the award but Brees will be playing and winning a SB this year....Mahomes???

Brees, Saints hand Rams first loss of the season, 45-35

[kccrow]

Aaron Donald should be in the mix... I mean 14.5 sacks as a DT is unreal...

He won't. John Randle did what Donald is doing for a decade straight and he never got it.

[ChiefsFanatic]

What I hate is that every talking head that supports Brees as MVP talks about how he has never won an MVP and they use that fact as one of the deciding factors in believing he should be the MVP.

It's not a damn lifetime achievement award, and a player missing out in past seasons should have absolutely zero impact on who wins it this year.

And this may sound controversial, and I don't mean it to be, but I personally feel like if one of the young white quarterbacks was having the same statistical season that Mahomes is having, people would not be advocating so much for Brees.

I know that other black QBs have won MVP, but if Mayfield or Wentz had Mahomes' stat line and their teams were 9-2, I think the narrative would change. Right now the narrative is that wow, Mahomes is having an amazing, record breaking season, but it's just too bad for him because Drew Brees is playing great again and he since he has never been named MVP in the past, he will finally get the MVP he has deserved for so long.

But if it was Mayfield or Wentz the narrative would be that wow, Brees is playing unbelievable football, it's just unfortunate that he would be having a career season at the same time that Mayfield (or Carson) is making a push to set the passing TD record in his first season as a starting QB.

This season I would take a Super Bowl win, or even just a Super Bowl appearance, over Mahomes being named MVP in a heartbeat. But I also hate the idea of the MVP award being decided based on what a player has done in prior seasons.

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[ThaVirus]

What I hate is that every talking head that supports Brees as MVP talks about how he has never won an MVP and they use that fact as one of the deciding factors in believing he should be the MVP.

It's not a damn lifetime achievement award, and a player missing out in past seasons should have absolutely zero impact on who wins it this year.

And this may sound controversial, and I don't mean it to be, but I personally feel like if one of the young white quarterbacks was having the same statistical season that Mahomes is having, people would not be advocating so much for Brees.

I know that other black QBs have won MVP, but if Mayfield or Wentz had Mahomes' stat line and their teams were 9-2, I think the narrative would change. Right now the narrative is that wow, Mahomes is having an amazing, record breaking season, but it's just too bad for him because Drew Brees is playing great again and he since he has never been named MVP in the past, he will finally get the MVP he has deserved for so long.

But if it was Mayfield or Wentz the narrative would be that wow, Brees is playing unbelievable football, it's just unfortunate that he would be having a career season at the same time that Mayfield (or Carson) is making a push to set the passing TD record in his first season as a starting QB.

This season I would take a Super Bowl win, or even just a Super Bowl appearance, over Mahomes being named MVP in a heartbeat. But I also hate the idea of the MVP award being decided based on what a player has done in prior seasons.

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Meh. I know race plays a large role in the way people perceive things, but I'm not getting that kind of vibe with the Mahomes vs Brees debate.

[Hammock Parties]

This is the fourth time the Saints have won a game this year with Brees throwing for less than 250 yards.

Must be nice to lean on that defense and running game when you have that "not-so-valuable" feeling.

[Imon Yourside]

This is the fourth time the Saints have won a game this year with Brees throwing for less than 250 yards.

Must be nice to lean on that defense and running game when you have that "not-so-valuable" feeling.

What about all those 7-9 years he was overlooked as the MVP of the league tho?!?!?!

http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/2580/drew-brees

loved his game against the Giants 18-32 for 217 yards and zero td/int

[ThaVirus]

What about all those 7-9 years he was overlooked as the MVP of the league tho?!?!?!

Others were just more deserving.

Boo hoo.

[Best22]

What about all those 7-9 years he was overlooked as the MVP of the league tho?!?!?!

http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/2580/drew-brees

loved his game against the Giants 18-32 for 217 yards and zero td/int

#1 criteria for winning MVP: Make the playoffs.

If you don’t qualify, you are no MVP

[Imon Yourside]

#1 criteria for winning MVP: Make the playoffs.

If you don’t qualify, you are no MVP

7-9 4 out of the last 6 years is quite a feat though, comparable to whom throughout history?

[cooper barrett]

This is the fourth time the Saints have won a game this year with Brees throwing for less than 250 yards.

Must be nice to lean on that defense and running game when you have that "not-so-valuable" feeling.

Great QB's don't have to make the passing game the only game. Would you knock Mahomes for the same stats in a game,

Go squeeze your Ketchup bottle...ROFLROFLROFLROFL

[Imon Yourside]

Brees lit the Vikings up earlier this year 18-23 for 120 yards 1 td/1 int.

[Best22]

Great QB's don't have to make the passing game the only game. Would you knock Mahomes for the same stats in a game,

Go squeeze your Ketchup bottle...ROFLROFLROFLROFL

I’d love it if Mahomes could throw for 170 yards and the Chiefs could still win by 14.

But that’s not possible. Mahomes has to put up big numbers every game otherwise KC loses

[Chiefshrink]

He won't. John Randle did what Donald is doing for a decade straight and he never got it.

Yep.:thumb: Throw in Randy White as well.

[BandwagonChiefsFan]

Skip Bayless is obsessed with Mahomes

https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/1065779730245345280
https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/1064717219035140096
https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/1064732630023729154
https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/1064922128657506304
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcQLknbsEvk

.

[cooper barrett]

I’d love it if Mahomes could throw for 170 yards and the Chiefs could still win by 14.

But that’s not possible. Mahomes has to put up big numbers every game otherwise KC loses

How does that make him (Mahomes) better (go ahead... flame me)

[Best22]

How does that make him (Mahomes) better (go ahead... flame me)

Brees is better than Mahomes, always was

But Mahomes deserves MVP over Brees because he puts up better numbers. Mahomes is required to do more.

[RealSNR]

Lol. Like two weeks ago Bayless was crowing that Tom Brady should be the MVP of the league.

His only goal is to stir shit. I don't even think the man knows what the fuck he even believes anymore.

[Best22]

Lol. Like two weeks ago Bayless was crowing that Tom Brady should be the MVP of the league.

His only goal is to stir shit. I don't even think the man knows what the **** he even believes anymore.

Our quarterback has 1000 more yards and 20 more touchdowns than Brady

Let that sink in for a moment ROFL

[cooper barrett]

Lol. Like two weeks ago Bayless was crowing that Tom Brady should be the MVP of the league.

His only goal is to stir shit. I don't even think the man knows what the **** he even believes anymore.

I listen to his brother ****Skip

[bradael]

What I hate is that every talking head that supports Brees as MVP talks about how he has never won an MVP and they use that fact as one of the deciding factors in believing he should be the MVP.

It's not a damn lifetime achievement award, and a player missing out in past seasons should have absolutely zero impact on who wins it this year.

That's the talking point only because he's 39 years old, and not that he doesn't deserve it this year.

Simple fact is that if the season ends right now, the Saints finished with a better record and Brees had a better year. This would be the exact same situation we saw play out in 2011 with Aaron Rodgers finishing with the best passer rating in NFL history while Brees also had a historically great season including more TDs, a better completion %, and way more passing yards than Rodgers. But his team was 13-3 vs Rodgers's 15-1, and Rodgers had a better passer rating.

Brees won offensive player of the year, while Mahomes would likely win it this year with Brees winning MVP.

That being said, people need to stop moving goalposts on this award. Brees should have won in 2009. #1 seed, more TDs, better completion %, fewer INTs, and much better passer rating than Peyton, but Peyton still won it because people thought the Saints were going to be one and done in the playoffs.

If Brees wins, his critics will say he only won because it's a lifetime achievement award, which is complete BS. Mahomes is having an all time great season, but Brees is having the most efficient season ever for a QB to this point. Plus his team has the best record.

[dlphg9]

The stats everyone keeps spouting off as reasons why he should win are pretty pointless. Id much rather have the QB with more TDs and yards over the QB with the high completion rate and lack of interceptions. Mahomes has nearly 500 more yards than Brees and Brees has completed more passes than Mahomes and is still not even close in yards or TDs. So how is that more valuable?

[dlphg9]

That's the talking point only because he's 39 years old, and not that he doesn't deserve it this year.

Simple fact is that if the season ends right now, the Saints finished with a better record and Brees had a better year. This would be the exact same situation we saw play out in 2011 with Aaron Rodgers finishing with the best passer rating in NFL history while Brees also had a historically great season including more TDs, a better completion %, and way more passing yards than Rodgers. But his team was 13-3 vs Rodgers's 15-1, and Rodgers had a better passer rating.

Brees won offensive player of the year, while Mahomes would likely win it this year with Brees winning MVP.

That being said, people need to stop moving goalposts on this award. Brees should have won in 2009. #1 seed, more TDs, better completion %, fewer INTs, and much better passer rating than Peyton, but Peyton still won it because people thought the Saints were going to be one and done in the playoffs.

If Brees wins, his critics will say he only won because it's a lifetime achievement award, which is complete BS. Mahomes is having an all time great season, but Brees is having the most efficient season ever for a QB to this point. Plus his team has the best record.

Peyton won in 2009 cuz he had more yards, 1 less td and he had 7 game winning drives. He definitely deserved it over Brees.

2011 I could see going either way. Brees had only 1 more td pass, but 8 more INTs. Brees had alot more yards, but he also threw the ball 155 more times than Rodgers. Honestly I could see it going either way.

[007]

Thing driving me nuts is people bringing up the turnovers on MNF this week. Because an entire season of work will come down to the one game that had multiple turnovers yet you only lost by 3 points while scoring 44 on offense.

He couldn't do anything about the strip sack fumbles because that should really fall on the line for getting him crushed. One INT was hit in the air on release.

[Imon Yourside]

Thing driving me nuts is people bringing up the turnovers on MNF this week. Because an entire season of work will come down to the one game that had multiple turnovers yet you only lost by 3 points while scoring 44 on offense.

He couldn't do anything about the strip sack fumbles because that should really fall on the line for getting him crushed. One INT was hit in the air on release.

The 2 strip/sacks were both tip your cap to Donald, Mahomes had no chance. The last turnover was basically a hail mary with 15 secs left in the game from our own 25. The 2nd to last interception he got hit as he threw.

[007]

The 2 strip/sacks were both tip your cap to Donald, Mahomes had no chance. The last turnover was basically a hail mary with 15 secs left in the game from our own 25. The 2nd to last interception he got hit as he threw.

Yeah, hail marys suck for stats. Its literally a throw away pass. But they get credit if its a TD so they have to get stuck with the INT too.

But I swear if I hear another person bring up turnovers from that game. JFC

[Imon Yourside]

Yeah, hail marys suck for stats. Its literally a throw away pass. But they get credit if its a TD so they have to get stuck with the INT too.

But I swear if I hear another person bring up turnovers from that game. JFC

It's just easier for the Media to lump him into the "it's Brett Favre all over again" narrative.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

The league doesn't want to give this award to a n00b, just like it didn't want its LA investment team getting its ass kicked in prime time.

[007]

The league doesn't want to give this award to a n00b, just like it didn't want its LA investment team getting its ass kicked in prime time.

I got a real kick out of ESPN posting on facebook that "The Rams ran the Chiefs out of LA" Such horseshit.

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[Imon Yourside]

I got a real kick out of ESPN posting on facebook that "The Firefighters ran the Chiefs out of LA" Such horseshit.

fyp.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Yeah right. Let's see who wins this match up with no league agendas and honest ref work.

[jaa1025]

The 2 strip/sacks were both tip your cap to Donald, Mahomes had no chance. The last turnover was basically a hail mary with 15 secs left in the game from our own 25. The 2nd to last interception he got hit as he threw.

I don't blame him from the strip sacks. I think the no look, flat footed attempt was a bad and lazy play but thats not intercepted 99 times out of 100. Just a fluky play that the ball bounces like that. The INT that his arm hit was a bad playcall and Mahomes waited too long (possibly due to pressure). He should have thrown it away or ran it at that point. The hail marry attempt he didn't get set which is why it was underthrown. He probably felt pressure after escaping the initial pressure. If he gets set he probably throws that to the endzone.


Most of his INT's have been garbage INTs that had no impact on the game due to lead or throwing a hail marry type of pass. He's also faced some really bad luck. (Lineman into that bounced off the helmet of Swartz, hit arm, Hill stopping his route on a deep pass to end the half at cleveland, 2 meaningless INT's against the Jags (one was a phenomenal defensive play). Only the NE INTs bother me and 2 from the Rams.

[PAChiefsGuy]

I don't blame him from the strip sacks. I think the no look, flat footed attempt was a bad and lazy play but thats not intercepted 99 times out of 100. Just a fluky play that the ball bounces like that. The INT that his arm hit was a bad playcall and Mahomes waited too long (possibly due to pressure). He should have thrown it away or ran it at that point. The hail marry attempt he didn't get set which is why it was underthrown. He probably felt pressure after escaping the initial pressure. If he gets set he probably throws that to the endzone.


Most of his INT's have been garbage INTs that had no impact on the game due to lead or throwing a hail marry type of pass. He's also faced some really bad luck. (Lineman into that bounced off the helmet of Swartz, hit arm, Hill stopping his route on a deep pass to end the half at cleveland, 2 meaningless INT's against the Jags (one was a phenomenal defensive play). Only the NE INTs bother me and 2 from the Rams.

I love Mahomes as much as anyone but he isn't above criticism. That INT on the screen was absolutely horrible. Doubt it happens again but that was really bad.

The strip sacks, overall not his fault but he could protect the ball a little better when scrambling.

What's good is he is young and he will learn and continue to get better which is scary for the rest of the NFL.

[Baby Lee]

Did this ninja say Goff over Brees?

Homie must have used Everclear to baste his fucking turkey.

Mods? Virulent racism?

[jaa1025]

I love Mahomes as much as anyone but he isn't above criticism. That INT on the screen was absolutely horrible. Doubt it happens again but that was really bad.

The strip sacks, overall not his fault but he could protect the ball a little better when scrambling.

What's good is he is young and he will learn and continue to get better which is scary for the rest of the NFL.

It wasn't a screen it was an RPO. Harris was open and in Mahomes words-he babied it instead of firing it in there like he had all game. The ball was batted, hung up and may have bounced a few times off of Swartz. I'm not excusing it at all but it's not an int 99 times out of a 100. It took some great bounces and a great individual play to intercept that ball.

He protected the ball fine. He had the ball up to begin his throwing motion and then pulled it back down...both happened in the pocket.

[KChiefs1]

PFF on the MVP race.

https://youtu.be/KlZrOYRYosg

[38yrsfan]

So, I think the race comes down to these two guys and could honestly support either winning it all. Take away either player and that team is going to suck. One has vastly better stats, one has fewer losses on the season (team stat).

67.5% Completion / 117.9 QBR / 3,628 yards / 37 TD / 10 INT (186 rushing yards / 2 TDs)
76.9% Completion / 126.9 QBR / 2,964 yards / 25 TD / 1 INT (28 rushing yards / 3 TDs)

Both have their teams at the top of their conferences. One is at the end of the road, the other just getting started. Brees has never earned an MVP and is breaking career records left and right.

Are you fine either way... do you feel that Mahomes without question is the MVP over Brees? Maybe this is the ultimate test of "does the leauge really hate KC"?


Your issue is 'race' so be accurate - Mahomes is not 'black'. His mother was Caucasian (that means white to you Donk posters). Children of different racial parentage have a mixed racial genetic profile. It's not that complex at all.

[ARROW2]

Your issue is 'race' so be accurate - Mahomes is not 'black'. His mother was Caucasian (that means white to you Donk posters). Children of different racial parentage have a mixed racial genetic profile. It's not that complex at all.

So Obama wasn't black either, right?ROFLROFL. History will always call him the first black US President

[ARROW2]

Despite his Caucasian mother.

[ARROW2]

Tiger Woods tried to call himself a caublanasian. NOPE. didn't work....lol

[ARROW2]

Did you consider rod Woodson to be white?

[ARROW2]

My point is, there are "some" that won't give him his due because of being black. I don't care, just win the fucking SB.

[ARROW2]

There will be some blacks that will hate on him because he doesn't talk hood enough or had both parents or is fair skinned, etc. I just wanna win, IDGAF if it was a ****ing Martian throwing darts.

[38yrsfan]

So Obama wasn't black either, right?ROFLROFL. History will always call him the first black US President

Revel in your media educational delinquincy all you want. You are wrong. Your deductions are still wrong and woeful stupid.

Rofls not needed to show your ignorance.

[ARROW2]

Where am I wrong? Is he not called a "black" president?

[ARROW2]

Delinquincy? Learn to spell before talking shit. Lol

[38yrsfan]

My point is, there are "some" that won't give him his due because of being black. I don't care, just win the ****ing SB.

No, just be entertaining. SB would be great but this is the NFL and it it is entertainment. Real life still goes on, babies born and people passing.

F those that embrace the 'race' life restriction.

Apologies for the IMHO.

[cooper barrett]

38ysfan

Don't you understand the Warren rule...

[dlphg9]

It'll be a god damn crime after Mahomes throws for 50 TDs, 5000 yards, and ~70% completion rate and doesn't win MVP, because Brees completes a ton of swing passes and the voters feel sorry for him.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

It'll be a god damn crime after Mahomes throws for 50 TDs, 5000 yards, and ~70% completion rate and doesn't win MVP, because Brees completes a ton of swing passes and the voters feel sorry for him.

Of course it is and would be. It's unfortunate that Brees popped-off this year, pure dumb luck. And the LA project on top of that.

We're just going to have to face facts that as far as this season goes, the NFL ain't giving up that pussy to the other small market Midwest team with the killer QB. You don't even have to put forth much of an effort reading the tea leaves to see it. Sucks.

We're not going to get ours until the old guard either retires, or we fucking obliterate them.

[Mile High Mania]

Your issue is 'race' so be accurate - Mahomes is not 'black'. His mother was Caucasian (that means white to you Donk posters). Children of different racial parentage have a mixed racial genetic profile. It's not that complex at all.

Never let it be said that a race issue can never be injected into any discussion.

[CasselGotPeedOn]

Your issue is 'race' so be accurate - Mahomes is not 'black'. His mother was Caucasian (that means white to you Donk posters). Children of different racial parentage have a mixed racial genetic profile. It's not that complex at all.

You mouth breather, when he said race, he meant MVP race you dumb fuck.

[cooper barrett]

You mouth breather, when he said race, he meant MVP race you dumb ****.




https://i.imgur.com/Z5S4C8B.png

[Hammock Parties]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Drew Brees has thrown more than 30 passes in five times this season and only once since Week 4.<br>45<br>35<br>49<br>32<br>29<br>30<br>23<br>36<br>25<br>30<br>22<br><br>Drew &#39;Game Manager&#39; Brees imo.</p>&mdash; Cian (@Cianaf) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/1066483198006300672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Saints Defense is playing well and moving up in the stats. Brees threw for 171 yards yesterday and won. He's not as valuable to the team as Mahomes who has the worst defense in history and even scored 40 and 51 in losses.

Mahomes for MVP.

[dlphg9]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Drew Brees has thrown more than 30 passes in five times this season and only once since Week 4.<br>45<br>35<br>49<br>32<br>29<br>30<br>23<br>36<br>25<br>30<br>22<br><br>Drew &#39;Game Manager&#39; Brees imo.</p>&mdash; Cian (@Cianaf) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/1066483198006300672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Everyone is all in his ass because he's doing what Alex Smith is famous for, high completion % and lack of ints. Big fucking deal.

[Chief Northman]

Brees for MVP.

Makes for a better Superbowl matchup. The highly accomplished, record - breaking veteran tries to add a Superbowl to his MVP season against the future face of elite quarterback play in the NFL, Patrick Mahomes.

[cooper barrett]

Brees for MVP.

Makes for a better Superbowl matchup. The highly accomplished, record - breaking veteran tries to add a Superbowl to his MVP season against the future face of elite quarterback play in the NFL, Patrick Mahomes.

I like that noise.

Can you get the list of SB officials so we can fund their children's college funds before the game?

[synthesis2]

Meh, I don't think it really matters if he wins MVP or not, I think 90% plus of players in the NFL would say they would fear Mahomes much more than Brees today.

If Drew wins the award it would be more of a lifetime achievement plus he has had a great year but in the end we have the best player.

Heck maybe it knocks a few hundred k off his contract when it comes time to pay him. I could care less if he wins or comes in 5th, we have the best player and I wouldn't trade him for anyone in the league, period.

[Randallflagg]

Well, I'm biased...but I say Mahomes is Offensive Player of the Year and Brees gets the MVP out of tenure alone...

But honestly, I could give a **** less about indiviual honors; I want that SB.


:thumb:

[RealSNR]

https://i.imgur.com/Z5S4C8B.png

You're a really fucking awful poster. I don't know if anybody has ever told you that, but it's true.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

NFL is weeping; can not put NO and LAR in the same Super Bowl.

[SAUTO]

You're a really fucking awful poster. I don't know if anybody has ever told you that, but it's true.

Very true

[BigCatDaddy]

Well that's an interesting turn of events.

[dlphg9]

You're a really ****ing awful poster. I don't know if anybody has ever told you that, but it's true.

So fucking true

[eDave]

You're a really ****ing awful poster. I don't know if anybody has ever told you that, but it's true.

Most of us don't see his posts anymore. Thanks for quoting him though, dick.

[Mecca]

Simms and Lefkoe are having a field day with how the media is pushing to give this to Brees and it won't go away when he doesn't deserve it.

[InChiefsHeaven]

Look, I like Drew Brees, but if he never got MVP, I'd say it's because he never was at any point in time during his career, the MVP of the league. Sorry Drew.

[wheeler08]

#NotMyMVP -Brees

[Gravedigger]

Yeah after tonight I don’t want to hear that Patrick Mahomes isn’t the MVP. Nobody touches him this year and if anyone has a shot it’s Jared Goff.

[carcosa]

Yeah after tonight I don’t want to hear that Patrick Mahomes isn’t the MVP. Nobody touches him this year and if anyone has a shot it’s Jared Goff.

YES

[RunKC]

When Mahomes fills the stat sheet again this weekend, the tide is going to shift to him quickly.

It’s gonna be great seeing all the talking heads flip

[Best22]

ROFL

Brees choked

“Great QB never throw game losing interceptions!”

Choke on those narratives!!

[-King-]

Needed a game like that to put Mahomes back ahead in MVP talks
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[dlphg9]

When Mahomes fills the stat sheet again this weekend, the tide is going to shift to him quickly.

It’s gonna be great seeing all the talking heads flip

They will start talking up Andrew Luck. Guaranteed

[Best22]

They will start talking up Andrew Luck. Guaranteed

Not after he gets outdueled by Watson

[RedRaider56]

Not after he gets outdueled by Watson

might start talking about Rivers too...

[Hammock Parties]

Drew Brees has now thrown for less than 220 yards in a game five times this season.

MVP candidates don't deliver bottom 10 passing output in a third of their games.

[BryanBusby]

Not a good showing for the race. Pat would have to be the favorite again.

[BigRedChief]

Not a good showing for the race. Pat would have to be the favorite again.real shitty game.

[007]

They will start talking up Andrew Luck. Guaranteed

With that record? There is no way he can be league MVP. None.

[007]

Drew Brees has now thrown for less than 220 yards in a game five times this season.

MVP candidates don't deliver bottom 10 passing output in a third of their games.

Alex Smith never won MVP with those same numbers and you would get laughed out of the room if you even mentioned it. But Drew Brees is so awesome man.

[JakeF]

I've heard the Mahomes' penis is 14" long with a circumference of a tennis ball.

Let's see Brees surpass that.

[dlphg9]

Alex Smith never won MVP with those same numbers and you would get laughed out of the room if you even mentioned it. But Drew Brees is so awesome man.

It's so fucking ridiculous that anyone other than Mahomes would be considered the MVP.

[CapsLockKey]

Brees can thank Gregory for keeping him from having an even worse sub 100yd, 0TD and 2 turnover stat line.