Is Matthew Stafford the most overpaid player in NFL history?

[TLO]

Vote and discuss.

[St. Patty's Fire]

Either him or Alex Smith

[CupidStunt]

Off the VERY top of my head, Albert Haynesworth.

But of course Stafford is disappointing. Although I do put a LOT of blame on the org.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Maybe.

Carr and Garoppolo are up for the debate with him though.

[Rams Fan]

Matt Flynn.

[Molitoth]

Sam Bradford

[Pablo]

How much money has Matt Cassel made?

[wazu]

Stafford isn’t even in the discussion.

[siberian khatru]

Neither Jamarcus Russell nor Ryan Leaf earned a cent.

[TLO]

I voted yes, but I think it's one of those questions that has no clear cut answer.

The Lions are paying out an extremely high dollar number for this guy for the foreseeable future. And as the years go by, it feels like they are that perennial team that is 4-6, 3-7, every Thanksgiving day.

You'd think a QB making that kind of coin could lead his team to the playoffs, or you know - win a playoff game now and again.

[Third Eye]

Sam Bradford

This is the correct answer and it’s not close.

[TLO]

Stafford isn’t even in the discussion.

I wouldn't argue that there haven't been worse players that earned a lot of money, but the Lions are paying Stafford an extreme amount of money for mediocrity, (or worse) season after season.

[staylor26]

Sam Bradford

[NJChiefsFan]

Neither Jamarcus Russell nor Ryan Leaf earned a cent.

We could do $/win or $/yard. That would be interesting.

[Bugeater]

How much money has Matt Cassel made?
$1 would be too much.

[dlphg9]

At one point Matt Stafford was 16/20 for 80 yds. How is that even possible.

[alpha_omega]

How much money has Matt Cassel made?

I went with “no” for this reason alone.

[Molitoth]

At one point Matt Stafford was 16/20 for 80 yds. How is that even possible.

You just got done watching 5 years of Alex smith, how is this even a question?

[Why Not?]

You just got done watching 5 years of Alex smith, how is this even a question?

Bahahahahah. This.

[Flying High D]

113 day to day. Anybody out there actually playing or not day to day is not overpaid.

[WhiteWhale]

Stafford could have been great, but he went to the Lions. Basically had one great WR and a bunch of trash. Never had a good running back or OL. Throws 80 times a game. Didn't have a good coaching staff correcting mistakes, and now he's just an old dog with a lot of bad habits.

Stafford had a special arm when the came into the NFL. I mean, he was no Mahomes, but he could roll left and throw a 30 yard laser beam with accuracy on the move. They just never really developed a real OFFENSE for him. Just ask him to play pitch and catch with megatron. Now they traded away his only good WR and the offense around him is total shit. He's a ruined QB on a terrible offense.

Most overpaid ever? Nah. Probably not. I mean look how much money Joe Flacco got. All he's done is hold back a talented team for the past five or six years. Sure stafford makes way more, but he's also way better. I'd hate to imagine Flacco running the Lions offense.

[ThaVirus]

Stafford could have been great, but he went to the Lions. Basically had one great WR and a bunch of trash. Never had a good running back or OL. Throws 80 times a game. Didn't have a good coaching staff correcting mistakes, and now he's just an old dog with a lot of bad habits.

Stafford had a special arm when the came into the NFL. I mean, he was no Mahomes, but he could roll left and throw a 30 yard laser beam with accuracy on the move. They just never really developed a real OFFENSE for him. Just ask him to play pitch and catch with megatron. Now they traded away his only good WR and the offense around him is total shit. He's a ruined QB on a terrible offense.

Most overpaid ever? Nah. Probably not. I mean look how much money Joe Flacco got. All he's done is hold back a talented team for the past five or six years. Sure stafford makes way more, but he's also way better. I'd hate to imagine Flacco running the Lions offense.

This is it, but I won't put all of the blame on coaching. He's consistently refused to work on his mechanics or even admit that they're an issue.

[MahiMike]

No silly. It's Eric Berry.

[kccrow]

Stafford isn't even close to being in the conversation for most overpaid. My God.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Sam Bradford is to being overpaid what Michael Phelps is to swimming.

[ILChief]

Matt Cassel because he makes more than five cents

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by Pablo View Post
How much money has Matt Cassel made?


$1 would be too much.

Hardly.

Cassel was worth every dollar the Pats paid him.

He won a decent amount of games for them and then traded him for picks.

[Demonpenz]

Trent Richardson>

[Demonpenz]

The Cleveland Browns selected Richardson with the third choice in the 2012 NFL Draft and signed him to a four-year, guaranteed contract worth $20,489,796.

[CoMoChief]

Sam Bradford

:clap:

[GloryDayz]

Uuuuuummmmm...

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[notorious]

Stafford could have been great, but he went to the Lions. Basically had one great WR and a bunch of trash. Never had a good running back or OL. Throws 80 times a game. Didn't have a good coaching staff correcting mistakes, and now he's just an old dog with a lot of bad habits.

Stafford had a special arm when the came into the NFL. I mean, he was no Mahomes, but he could roll left and throw a 30 yard laser beam with accuracy on the move. They just never really developed a real OFFENSE for him. Just ask him to play pitch and catch with megatron. Now they traded away his only good WR and the offense around him is total shit. He's a ruined QB on a terrible offense.

Most overpaid ever? Nah. Probably not. I mean look how much money Joe Flacco got. All he's done is hold back a talented team for the past five or six years. Sure stafford makes way more, but he's also way better. I'd hate to imagine Flacco running the Lions offense.

Golden Tate is trash?

[WhiteWhale]

Golden Tate is trash?

I don't think Golden Tate was helping them yesterday. That offense is trash. Stafford is ruined and also now trash. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here.

I'm not sure where you'd place him, but I'm pretty sure he's not sniffing my top 15 WR's in the league.

[WhiteWhale]

This is it, but I won't put all of the blame on coaching. He's consistently refused to work on his mechanics or even admit that they're an issue.

Old dogs man. You can't correct this shit now. You have to get them when they're young.

[displacedinMN]

What about Herschel Walker?

[ThaVirus]

Old dogs man. You can't correct this shit now. You have to get them when they're young.

They tried- Stafford wasn't receptive. He's never seen an issue in his play. All the talent in the world but no desire to perfect his craft.

Here's an article from 2013:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/28/stafford-doesnt-think-he-needs-a-quarterback-tutor/

Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford’s throwing mechanics have been called into question as long as he’s been in the NFL, and as he threw away Detroit’s division lead with 12 interceptions over the last six games, those questions about his throwing motion intensified.

But Stafford doesn’t think that’s anything he needs to work on over the offseason.

Asked if he would spend time next year learning from a quarterback guru like George Whitfield, who has had good results in private tutoring sessions with several NFL quarterbacks, Stafford said he doesn’t believe that’s what he needs.

“Probably not,” Stafford said. “It’s not something that I feel would be my style or beneficial to me.”

[WhiteWhale]

They tried- Stafford wasn't receptive. He's never seen an issue in his play. All the talent in the world but no desire to perfect his craft.

Here's an article from 2013:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/28/stafford-doesnt-think-he-needs-a-quarterback-tutor/

I mean, I guess. I've always viewed Stafford's issues as more about decision making than mechanics. A bit of a college level nonprofessional approach too. You don't hear a lot about Stafford's extra work.

Rivers hasn't' fixed his ****ed up throwing motion either and nobody is having this conversation about him.

[Reerun_KC]

At one point Matt Stafford was 16/20 for 80 yds. How is that even possible.

ROFL

[Reerun_KC]

I vote Eruc Burry

[ThaVirus]

I mean, I guess. I've always viewed Stafford's issues as more about decision making than mechanics. A bit of a college level nonprofessional approach too. You don't hear a lot about Stafford's extra work.

Rivers hasn't' fixed his ****ed up throwing motion either and nobody is having this conversation about him.

I would agree. He's a bonehead.

But his mechanics and footwork are garbage as well and he just doesn't care to put in the work to change it.

[KChiefs1]

Simple answer: Yes

[Easy 6]

I doubt he is the single most overpaid guy, but he is at least 50% responsible for that teams fortunes, with the other half belonging to management...they're a team thats never had a true identity/direction

They've haphazardly bounced around from one poorly thought out and implemented system after another, for as long as I've been watching football

[RippedmyFlesh]

Yea because det didn't get value after the big contract like we did with berry ,houston...o wait

[RealSNR]

I think it was a mistake to fire Jim Caldwell. He was the last lions coach since the 70s to have an overall winning record in his years combined as head coach of that team.

You go through that much crap and when you get something that kind of works you say, “Get out!”

I think Caldwell was good for Stafford.

Patricia might be the shittiest Patriot Way AIDSspawn since Eric Mangini. He’s an utter douche and a shitty coach

[Easy 6]

I think it was a mistake to fire Jim Caldwell. He was the last lions coach since the 70s to have an overall winning record in his years combined as head coach of that team.

You go through that much crap and when you get something that kind of works you say, “Get out!”

I think Caldwell was good for Stafford.

Patricia might be the shittiest Patriot Way AIDSspawn since Eric Mangini. He’s an utter douche and a shitty coach

I never thought much of Caldwell, but you make a very good point concerning his won/loss record... maybe had they stuck with him the curve would've continued upward

There is definitely something to be said for consistency and stability at head coach

[WhiteWhale]

I think it was a mistake to fire Jim Caldwell. He was the last lions coach since the 70s to have an overall winning record in his years combined as head coach of that team.

You go through that much crap and when you get something that kind of works you say, “Get out!”

I think Caldwell was good for Stafford.

Patricia might be the shittiest Patriot Way AIDSspawn since Eric Mangini. He’s an utter douche and a shitty coach

I mean.. you say that but it's exactly why the Bengals have had Marvin Lewis for 15 years.

I agree though. They shouldn't have fired him and Patricia is not HC material.

[Prison Bitch]

16 completions avg 5?

How can any lions fan not boo the shit or of such cowardice?

[RunKC]

This guy getting traded?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: Lions in trade talks to deal Matthew Stafford <a href="https://t.co/1lH2yRxGZx">https://t.co/1lH2yRxGZx</a></p>&mdash; Local 4 WDIV Detroit (@Local4News) <a href="https://twitter.com/Local4News/status/1227831378298970112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Buehler445]

This guy getting traded?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: Lions in trade talks to deal Matthew Stafford <a href="https://t.co/1lH2yRxGZx">https://t.co/1lH2yRxGZx</a></p>&mdash; Local 4 WDIV Detroit (@Local4News) <a href="https://twitter.com/Local4News/status/1227831378298970112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Him coming into our division would not be ideal.

[Why Not?]

Him coming into our division would not be ideal.

Meh. No worries. Stafford has a big arm but has never won anything with it. He had arguably the most physically dominant WR ever and didn’t do shit with him. He is a terrible decision maker on the football field. Yes he plays for an inept organization but if he gets traded within our division it’s to the Chargers or Raiders. I’m not sure how much higher those franchises rank above the Lions over the last ten years in regards to being well run. If Stafford comes here, he’ll put up big numbers and go 9-7 at best.

[Buehler445]

Meh. No worries. Stafford has a big arm but has never won anything with it. He had arguably the most physically dominant WR ever and didn’t do shit with him. He is a terrible decision maker on the football field. Yes he plays for an inept organization but if he gets traded within our division it’s to the Chargers or Raiders. I’m not sure how much higher those franchises rank above the Lions over the last ten years in regards to being well run. If Stafford comes here, he’ll put up big numbers and go 9-7 at best.

He's a different player now. When he had Johnson ALL he had was Johnson so he took a "fuck it, it's only triple coverage!" approach to throwing the ball his way. After Johnson left he became a lot better QB. Last year with a massive rib injury he had things rolling pretty well until he couldn't go anymore.

He's better than Rivers and he would make the Chargers far more legitimate. Oakland, meh. Their D is still ass and they don't have much for playmakers. Donk would still be a not great team.

Overall though, he'd be the second best QB in the division and I'm firmly on record as being against adding any talent to the rest of the division. I want a 20 year AFCE type situation.

[Why Not?]

Overall though, he'd be the second best QB in the division and I'm firmly on record as being against adding any talent to the rest of the division. I want a 20 year AFCE type situation.



Yeah, I could definitely get behind that. Well, the bright side is that whatever division rival trades for him, it will cost them significant draft capital and they still won’t be as good as we are.

[Buehler445]

Yeah, I could definitely get behind that. Well, the bright side is that whatever division rival trades for him, it will cost them significant draft capital and they still won’t be as good as we are.

Troof.

Still, importing talent at the most important position is not something I'd like to see.

[DRM08]

Meh. No worries. Stafford has a big arm but has never won anything with it. He had arguably the most physically dominant WR ever and didn’t do shit with him. He is a terrible decision maker on the football field. Yes he plays for an inept organization but if he gets traded within our division it’s to the Chargers or Raiders. I’m not sure how much higher those franchises rank above the Lions over the last ten years in regards to being well run. If Stafford comes here, he’ll put up big numbers and go 9-7 at best.

He was pretty damn good in 2019 before his season-ending injury. He was on pace for 5,000 yards with 38 TD and 10 INT. He outplayed Mahomes in the KC/Detroit game.

[WhawhaWhat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trading Matthew Stafford would leave behind $32M of dead cap to the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Lions?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Lions</a>, a loss of $10.7M of space. Detroit has already restructured and paid out a $6M bonus for the season. He’s staying put in 2020. <a href="https://t.co/4DC96J5p2k">https://t.co/4DC96J5p2k</a></p>&mdash; Spotrac (@spotrac) <a href="https://twitter.com/spotrac/status/1227923437647212546?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sofa King]

And that solves that. Wonder if they'll still draft a rookie.

[rabblerouser]

JaMarcus Russell.

[Why Not?]

He was pretty damn good in 2019 before his season-ending injury. He was on pace for 5,000 yards with 38 TD and 10 INT. He outplayed Mahomes in the KC/Detroit game.

Check his winning % against teams with a winning record in his career.

[Chris Meck]

I think he's criminally underrated, personally.

Wasted his career in a shit organization.

If he landed somewhere with a decent coach and some talent, he'd open some eyes.

[FloridaMan88]

Matt Patricia and Detroit's GM are basically in a must win season this year in terms of needing to at least make the playoffs so I doubt they would trade Stafford.

[Clyde Frog]

This Douchebag and its not even close. Patrick Mahomes is the antithesis of this guy.

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Showing Courage
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Never forget the 25 yard "Hail Mary" that doinked off the goal post
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Coordination on point
"Detroit Lions QB Matt Cassel has career earnings of $65.49M over fourteen seasons, which ranks 88th among active NFL players entering 2018"

[ChiTown]

This Douchebag and its not even close. Patrick Mahomes is the antithesis of this guy.

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Showing Courage
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Never forget the 25 yard "Hail Mary" that doinked off the goal post
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Coordination on point
"Detroit Lions QB Matt Cassel has career earnings of $65.49M over fourteen seasons, which ranks 88th among active NFL players entering 2018"

We paid him $46MM over 4 years

[DRM08]

Check his winning % against teams with a winning record in his career.

That doesn’t mean much. Look at Mahomes’ record in college. One guy cannot totally carry a team in football. Detroit is a really bad organization.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Stafford is a top 10 QB but the team around him is complete trash. I feel bad for him

[ScareCrowe]

Stafford is definitely overpaid, but he's actually had some OK seasons. Bradford is also a good choice (and I saw that train wreck up close) but even he had a couple seasons that were OK. I think the answer has to be Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell. If you look at what they made compared to salaries when they played & consider they basically never did anything at all, it's got to be one of those two.

[DRM08]

Stafford is a top 10 QB but the team around him is complete trash. I feel bad for him

I don’t feel THAT bad for him. He could have forced his way out of there but chose to stay.

[Deberg_1990]

That doesn’t mean much. Look at Mahomes’ record in college. One guy cannot totally carry a team in football. Detroit is a really bad organization.

Yep. The Lions have never even had a great coach. At least in my lifetime.

Middling to mediocre franchise. Owned by a silver haired Ford family member who probably doesn’t care if they win or lose. It all starts at the top.

[Clyde Frog]

We paid him $46MM over 4 years

What a joke. :mad:

[Megatron96]

Albert Haynesworth. Didn't play up to that $100 million contract for a single game.

Stafford is a good QB. Could have been a perennial top-10 QB, if he'd ever had a good OC, or even any stability in that crappy organization.

But that's why W/L record isn't a QB stat; winning and losing is too reliant on too many other players/factors to put the onus on just the QB. Hell, Pat lost three games last year that had nothing to do with how he played. And everything to do with the defense, or if you prefer as I do, Bob Sutton.

If Stafford stays healthy this year, and the Lions don't take away his weapons, maybe shore up that defense, and just flat out coach better all around, the Lions will probably win 10 games this season (haven't looked at their schedule, so a little room for error here).

Of course, these are all huge mountains to climb for the Lions, so we'll see what happens. But Stafford is better than Dak.

[Halfcan]

Eric Berry is still hurting us on the Cap. We got nothing from his last contract.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Eric Berry is still hurting us on the Cap. We got nothing from his last contract.

Let’s be clear. We never were getting anything from that last contract. We paid him for past performance. Period.