14 pt lead blown in 5 minutes..add it to the list

[petegz28]

Yeah, I know, it's the players. Whether it's Peters\Smith or DJ, Hali, Houston, Scandrick, Nelson, Ford, Hitches, Berry, Sorenson...doesn't matter


It's not a coinkydink that the defensive coordinator we have has managed to coach defenses that consistently piss away double-digit leads for 5 years now. It's all the players.....

Edit: After further review this is yet another historical type choke by a Sutton defense.

His notables:

2 of the 4 biggest blown leads in playoff history (Ten & Indy)
Only team to score 50+ points and lose
And now this one where this is only the 4th or 5th time in the last 1040+ games where a team blew a 14pt lead in the last 5 min and the only team to do it this season

[Spott]

It’s why you never, ever get your hopes up about this franchise.

[KChiefs1]

Even Mahomes can't overcome Bob Sutton.

[Jimmya]

Yes...but where are the Sutton faithful to defend him?

[SupDock]

Yeah, I know, it's the players. Whether it's Peters\Smith or DJ, Hali, Houston, Scandrick, Nelson, Ford, Hitches, Berry, Sorenson...doesn't matter


It's not a coinkydink that the defensive coordinator we have has managed to coach defenses that consistently piss away double-digit leads for 5 years now. It's all the players.....

How is this shit possible?

[BlackHelicopters]

Another long offseason.

[BlackHelicopters]

Because Chiefs

[TribalElder]

its because Tony G was there

[TambaBerry]

I mean a block in the fucking back and a false start put our offense way back. Absolutely pathetic bullshit

[Sassy Squatch]

Don't forget being the first to lose when putting up 50 points.

[BlackHelicopters]

Sutton is why we can’t have nice things

[nealrm]

What does it take to get Sutton fired. Does he have blackmail photos of the front office or what?

The chiefs office can't stop a sneeze.

[Red Dawg]

I have taken heat all year with my shit but I'm right. You vmcant win a title with a defense this bad. It won't happen. NFL is rigged like I thought but bringing back Sutton for a 6th year was an act of stupidity.
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[kcpasco]

ANDY REIED

[RickObie]

No no it’s never Sutton’s fault - how many arguments with CPers about Sutton do I have to get into with until they get it. The game has passed him by but it’s the players fault

[gold_and_red]

As soon we went up by 14 I knew that the next Chargers drive would result in a TD. This D has no killer instinct and is too soft to close out games.

[thebrad84]

8 yards. 8 fucking yards. There wasn't a single Chiefs defender within 8 FUCKING YARDS of the Charges best WR on the field when the game's on the line. That is a clear indication that your defense is terribly coached and has some really stupid players on it.

[MMXcalibur]

Oh, and Keenan Allen was out for the majority of the game.
Put that feather in your fucking cap, Bobby.

[Jimmya]

I have wanted the old fu** out for 3 years but he has some faithful dumbasses around these parts.

[kcpasco]

Sucks but Andy will never win it all

[Imon Yourside]

I can't argue, man this shit is depressing. :(

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Great timeout by Andy

[petegz28]

Don't forget being the first to lose when putting up 50 points.

No shit. In our 3 losses we have scored 109 points. Think about that. 109 points. Thats over 35+ points a game average in games you lost!!!!

[greg63]

Sutton is why we can’t have nice things

He's likely the reason we won't be celebrating a Super Bowl win yet again this year.

[gold_and_red]

Even if it is not Sutton's "faullt" i.e. he is calling the right defenses but the players just don't execute the atrocity is still occurring under his watch. He needs to go purely to inject some freshness and change of culture.

[DelFan]

And when you absolutely had to have a first down in the last offesive series, what did Andy call up? A run in the middle on first down. I saw that coming five minutes before they actually did it. Everyone knew he would go soft on 1st down and it ratcheted up the tension. And what about the 3rd down call? I guess we have a pocket passer who is awful outside the pocket because that is where Andy put him with the game teetering on the brink. Did you see any designed rollouts? I only saw rollouts on scrambles.

And only one long pass that doinked off Tyreek's helmet.

Typical Andy. Cannot coach a win out of a tough situation in the 2nd half. Saw it for 14 years in Philly and it continues in KC. Only when the team takes it out of Andy's hands can they count on winning high profile games.

[COchief]

No no it’s never Sutton’s fault - how many arguments with CPers about Sutton do I have to get into with until they get it. The game has passed him by but it’s the players fault

Kindly GFY, on the play of the game his top corners were completely lost on how to defend a simple trips cross and gave up an uncontested layup for the game. That's plain and simple coaching asshole.

[NJChiefsFan]

its because Tony G was there

Figure out he whereabouts for the playoff losses under Reid.

[greg63]

Great timeout by Andy

Yup! Great call to run the ball netting a three yard loss deep in our end of the field late in the game.

[RealSNR]

I've been on and off the Sutton debate for a long time. I stopped caring about it and let other people duke it out.

At this point Reid HAS to fire Sutton. It's an accountability thing. He can defend his guys all he wants and make claims about how it starts with him, but the bottom line is there is and has been a giant problem that has gone UNFIXED since around the end of 2015. The defense has been awful. For whatever reason.

Head coaches get fired all the time in this league. These kind of collapses can't ALL be blamed on lack of talent. And I don't care if it really is all about lack of talent.

You need to refresh. You need to take the bad and you need to try something new with it.

Hunt has GOT to step in and tell Reid to find a new guy.

[Rain Man]

I seriously hate these scripts where we blow big leads, and they're getting old. The NFL needs to change up the story line.

[petegz28]

And when you absolutely had to have a first down in the last offesive series, what did Andy call up? A run in the middle on first down. I saw that coming five minutes before they actually did it. Everyone knew he would go soft on 1st down and it ratcheted up the tension. And what about the 3rd down call? I guess we have a pocket passer who is awful outside the pocket because that is where Andy put him with the game teetering on the brink. Did you see any designed rollouts? I only saw rollouts on scrambles.

And only one long pass that doinked off Tyreek's helmet.

Typical Andy. Cannot coach a win out of a tough situation in the 2nd half. Saw it for 14 years in Philly and it continues in KC. Only when the team takes it out of Andy's hands can they count on winning high profile games.


Dude we had a 14 point lead with 5 minutes to go. An NFL defense has got to be able to protect a 14 point lead for 5 minutes at home when you are ready to lock shit up. Now, did we get get bent over by the Refs? Most certainly. But this is like a broken record with Bob Sutton and his defenses.

[Reerun_KC]

Yes...but where are the Sutton faithful to defend him?

Those folks lined up in droves to defend him during the Alex era. But now they are turning.

Classic XP cowards.

[PunkinDrublic]

Defense is what it is. We should’ve gotten a first down against the Chargers suck ass defense and went three and out. It was a fluke loss. Two of their TD’s were aided by B.S flags.

[Baby Lee]

Yes...but where are the Sutton faithful to defend him?

Sad to lose htis again after getting back again for a little while.

[kcpasco]

Sutton should die

[greg63]

I've been on and off the Sutton debate for a long time. I stopped caring about it and let other people duke it out.

At this point Reid HAS to fire Sutton. It's an accountability thing. He can defend his guys all he wants and make claims about how it starts with him, but the bottom line is there is and has been a giant problem that has gone UNFIXED since around the end of 2015. The defense has been awful. For whatever reason.

Head coaches get fired all the time in this league. These kind of collapses can't ALL be blamed on lack of talent. And I don't care if it really is all about lack of talent.

You need to refresh. You need to take the bad and you need to try something new with it.

Hunt has GOT to step in and tell Reid to find a new guy.

I vote he do it immediately. One of the other assistant defensive coaches couldn't possibly do worse.

[kcpasco]

Defense is what it is. We should’ve gotten a first down against the Chargers suck ass defense and went three and out. It was a fluke loss. Two of their TD’s were aided by B.S flags.

Andy and Sutton

[DrunkBassGuitar]

Defense is what it is. We should’ve gotten a first down against the Chargers suck ass defense and went three and out. It was a fluke loss. Two of their TD’s were aided by B.S flags.

Yeah I get that but on the other hand the offense has to be able to make mistakes or have a bad drive late. There's no room for error with this defense.

[Rain Man]

What's the deal with the defense anyway? Here's where they've ranked during Reid's and Sutton's tenure?

2013 - 5th in points, 24th in yards
2014 - 2nd in points, 7th in yards
2015 - 3rd in points, 7th in yards
2016 - 7th in points, 24th in yards
2017 - 15th in points, 28th in yards
2018 (to date) - 28th in points, 30th in yards

What's different between these years? If anything, we have more talent now then we did in 2014 and 2015.

[petegz28]

Defense is what it is. We should’ve gotten a first down against the Chargers suck ass defense and went three and out. It was a fluke loss. Two of their TD’s were aided by B.S flags.

All night long how many times did the Chargers convert on 2nd and 3rd and even 4th down? We got 5 sacks and took the ball away twice and lost. Our offense put up 28 points. You know what that adds up too? A defense that can't even slow a team down let alone stop them. Sure, we got ass raped by the Refs, I won't argue that. But the fact is we let the Chargers go up and down the field on us the entire second half. And when one of the few times that our offense sputters, our defense completely shits down its leg.

And this has been a tradition now with the Bob Sutton defenses in KC. No lead is ever safe with this guy for whatever reason.

[TEX]

Dude we had a 14 point lead with 5 minutes to go. An NFL defense has got to be able to protect a 14 point lead for 5 minutes at home when you are ready to lock shit up. Now, did we get get bent over by the Refs? Most certainly. But this is like a broken record with Bob Sutton and his defenses.

Nailed it. 14 point lead with 5 mins to go and you blow the lead. Again.

[Rain Man]

Defense is what it is. We should’ve gotten a first down against the Chargers suck ass defense and went three and out. It was a fluke loss. Two of their TD’s were aided by B.S flags.

Yeah, that final offensive drive was an abomination. Complete and utter self-destruction. One first down and we likely would have won, and two first downs was a guaranteed win. But they started at the ten or whatever and completely imploded. At that point, it was clear that we were goners since there's no way that Los Angeles wouldn't be awarded a touchdown.

[Chiefnj2]

Need some talent in the backfield. Parker, Sorenson and Scandrick don't start on any other roster. Nelson is overrated.

[petegz28]

What's the deal with the defense anyway? Here's where they've ranked during Reid's and Sutton's tenure?

2013 - 5th in points, 24th in yards
2014 - 2nd in points, 7th in yards
2015 - 3rd in points, 7th in yards
2016 - 7th in points, 24th in yards
2017 - 15th in points, 28th in yards
2018 (to date) - 28th in points, 30th in yards

What's different between these years? If anything, we have more talent now then we did in 2014 and 2015.

They have largely depended on turnovers and outscoring opponents. But even in all those years what have they done? Blown big leads. Bob Sutton has blown more double digit leads than anyone I can remember in KC including GRob.

If your defense can't pick up your offense on the rare occasion they don't score when you have a 14 point lead you have issues. Is it the players? Maybe. But when it happens consistently you have to look at what the players are being asked to do.

[Jimmya]

Agree with Drunk... We shouldn't have to be perfect on offense every drive... We just need a semblance of a defense. Chiefs defensive scheme getting destroyed all over sports radio... Change is needed

[Rain Man]

And this has been a tradition now with the Bob Sutton defenses in KC. No lead is ever safe with this guy for whatever reason.

This is really the core issue. I've never seen a defense that is so anti-clutch. Whenever we need them, they curl up into a fetal position. The personnel has changed over time, so it has to be the system.

[TEX]

All night long how many times did the Chargers convert on 2nd and 3rd and even 4th down? We got 5 sacks and took the ball away twice and lost. Our offense put up 28 points. You know what that adds up too? A defense that can't even slow a team down let alone stop them. Sure, we got ass raped by the Refs, I won't argue that. But the fact is we let the Chargers go up and down the field on us the entire second half. And when one of the few times that our offense sputters, our defense completely shits down its leg.

And this has been a tradition now with the Bob Sutton defenses in KC. No lead is ever safe with this guy for whatever reason.

And no matter the talent level...

[DrunkBassGuitar]

All night long how many times did the Chargers convert on 2nd and 3rd and even 4th down? We got 5 sacks and took the ball away twice and lost. Our offense put up 28 points. You know what that adds up too? A defense that can't even slow a team down let alone stop them. Sure, we got ass raped by the Refs, I won't argue that. But the fact is we let the Chargers go up and down the field on us the entire second half. And when one of the few times that our offense sputters, our defense completely shits down its leg.

And this has been a tradition now with the Bob Sutton defenses in KC. No lead is ever safe with this guy for whatever reason.

What was the TOP in the 2nd Q?

[fan4ever]

I know there are a lot of people who love Reid, and I think he's a great head coach, but it seems to me every year as he garners a number of wins he begins to become more and more conservative, in his play calling, and how he handles a lead. I didn't see any of the innovation we saw earlier in the year...this looked like a vanilla offense tonight. It's like he's at a poker table and he doesn't want to lose any of his chips so he starts betting modestly even though he's got the cards.

[Halfcan]

NFL wants to gift Dickface Rivers a SB ring- they have been propping them up with crooked refs all fucking year. Fuck you Rivers and Fuck you NFL you corrupt mafia mother fuckers!!

[PAChiefsGuy]

That was a tough loss guys. FUCK... Nothing we can do about it now just have to get ready for the next opponent and learn from this. Horrible job by the offense and defense in the last 5-minutes.

[PunkinDrublic]

All night long how many times did the Chargers convert on 2nd and 3rd and even 4th down? We got 5 sacks and took the ball away twice and lost. Our offense put up 28 points. You know what that adds up too? A defense that can't even slow a team down let alone stop them. Sure, we got ass raped by the Refs, I won't argue that. But the fact is we let the Chargers go up and down the field on us the entire second half. And when one of the few times that our offense sputters, our defense completely shits down its leg.

And this has been a tradition now with the Bob Sutton defenses in KC. No lead is ever safe with this guy for whatever reason.

I’m just really upset with the play calling on that last offensive series. We didn’t need to score, just get one first down to put the fucking game away. They went into a shell at the wrong time.

[Best22]

I know there are a lot of people who love Reid, and I think he's a great head coach, but it seems to me every year as he garners a number of wins he begins to become more and more conservative, in his play calling, and how he handles a lead. I didn't see any of the innovation we saw earlier in the year...this looked like a vanilla offense tonight. It's like he's at a poker table and he doesn't want to lose any of his chips so he starts betting modestly even though he's got the cards.

Our last drive was a run and two passes. Penalties and a big loss on first down killed the drive

Hard to win when you have two backup guards. Defense was pathetic last two drives

[fan4ever]

I’m just really upset with the play calling on that last offensive series. We didn’t need to score, just get one first down to put the ****ing game away. They went into a shell at the wrong time.

The last offensive series sucked...but it's not why we had almost half of the yards we usually have in a game.

[Frazod]

Can somebody do a screen shot of the missed push off with the ref looking right at it?

That was killer. No bodies in the way, standing just a few feet away.

[Reerun_KC]

Even Mahomes can't overcome Bob Sutton.

Fat Andy.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

I’m just really upset with the play calling on that last offensive series. We didn’t need to score, just get one first down to put the ****ing game away. They went into a shell at the wrong time.

I could understand this if we ran the ball 3 times, but we threw it twice and dumb ass Harris false started...

[TEX]

This is really the core issue. I've never seen a defense that is so anti-clutch. Whenever we need them, they curl up into a fetal position. The personnel has changed over time, so it has to be the system.

The players were lost on the 2pt conversion. It was not some kind of trick play either. The dude just was not covered and TWO Chiefs DB's were just looking at each other looking for answers. GAME OVER.

[petegz28]

What was the TOP in the 2nd Q?

Wasn't good and why? Just like in the Steelers games. Defense couldn't get the fuck off the field.

[fan4ever]

Our last drive was a run and two passes. Penalties and a big loss on first down killed the drive

Hard to win when you have two backup guards. Defense was pathetic last two drives

If it weren't for a slew of penalties by LA we'd never have scored that last TD...and yes the D was pathetic.

[Molitoth]

My love for Mahomes is almost negated by Sutton.

[lcarus]

What's the deal with the defense anyway? Here's where they've ranked during Reid's and Sutton's tenure?

2013 - 5th in points, 24th in yards
2014 - 2nd in points, 7th in yards
2015 - 3rd in points, 7th in yards
2016 - 7th in points, 24th in yards
2017 - 15th in points, 28th in yards
2018 (to date) - 28th in points, 30th in yards

What's different between these years? If anything, we have more talent now then we did in 2014 and 2015.

Well Derrick Johnson got old and injured so we had to part ways with him and now we're not very good at MLB. Berry hasn't played in 2 seasons now basically. So right there is 2 great players who were leaders on the defense that we've missed this season and last season. Peters was pretty good at locking down his side of the field and grabbing turnovers and now we have Scandrick over there who just consistently gets owned.

[FloridaMan88]

The defense is a dumpster fire, that’s not new, but it is also a continued theme that Andy Reid’s #1 offense can’t protect the lead with a game clinching drive when given the chance.

[petegz28]

I’m just really upset with the play calling on that last offensive series. We didn’t need to score, just get one first down to put the ****ing game away. They went into a shell at the wrong time.

I agree the play calling sucked but damn.....their defense showed up on the road in a short week and were down by 14. They stopped us. Okay, so our defense needs to go out and do the same.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

I hate Rivers, but the throw Rivers made on 4th and 8 under pressure and about to get drilled was amazing... not sure many QBs could do that, and not sure Rivers would be able to ever do it again.

[TEX]

I could understand this if we ran the ball 3 times, but we threw it twice and dumb ass Harris false started...

I knew we were ****ed when we got backed up by the Special Teams penalty to start the drive.

[The Franchise]

Can somebody do a screen shot of the missed push off with the ref looking right at it?

That was killer. No bodies in the way, standing just a few feet away.

Meanwhile....Chris Jones was held on the last three plays. Arm around the neck....not fucking called.

[petegz28]

If it weren't for a slew of penalties by LA we'd never have scored that last TD...and yes the D was pathetic.

IF it weren't for a bullshit call on Sorenson the Chargers never score a TD....

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Can we stop acting like arrowhead is a tough place to play

[Why Not?]

Sucks but Andy will never win it all

Agreed. Hopefully Pat's prime can outlast Andy Reid's remaining career or else we may be looking at Dan Marino 2.0

[mnchiefsguy]

Sutton's defense has never really been that good.....the years the stats were good the Chiefs played weaked schedules and played a slew of back up QB's.

Sutton should have been fired as soon as the Indy playoff game ended.

[Best22]

Can we stop acting like arrowhead is a tough place to play

It is when you don’t have the 28th best defense

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

If it weren't for a slew of penalties by LA we'd never have scored that last TD...and yes the D was pathetic.

They were legit penalties... obvious on replay. Unlike the one on the Chargers last drive.

[Why Not?]

Can we stop acting like arrowhead is a tough place to play

Really. Whenever I start getting worked up about how we probably lost HFA, I realize it wouldn't matter anyway. This D can get beat by anyone, anywhere.

[NJChiefsFan]

Why did the refs ignore the hit on Rivers if they wanted to help them win? Or severely help us in getting a two score lead?

Are the refs just that damn good that they can do all that and know it will still work out?

[TEX]

I agree the play calling sucked but damn.....their defense showed up on the road in a short week and were down by 14. They stopped us. Okay, so our defense needs to go out and do the same.

Defense travels. Theirs is #8. Ours is #30. There's a reason why things went the way they did.

[Frazod]

Meanwhile....Chris Jones was held on the last three plays. Arm around the neck....not fucking called.

Shit, I saw that all night. Wonderful technique. Effective, too.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Yes, the secondary sucks and the LBer’s are pussies, but can the Chiefs coaching staff and front office NOT see the epic dipshittery that has occurred since Bob Sutton has been our coordinator?!?

Grow a fucking pair of balls and fire the guy!!! How many all time record collapses do we need?!? Colts in playoffs, Titans in playoffs, now this shit!

GTFO Bob. You may not be the sole reason we lost but we’re tired of your awful stench infecting this franchise. Take your fucking useless corpse and leave you piece of shit.

And, yet, the coaching staff (read: Andy) and front office will sit on their asses and not do a
GD fucking thing about it! Bunch of pussies!!

Our fan base deserves fucking better than this bullshit!

Sick of this shit!!!

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Well Derrick Johnson got old and injured so we had to part ways with him and now we're not very good at MLB. Berry hasn't played in 2 seasons now basically. So right there is 2 great players who were leaders on the defense that we've missed this season and last season. Peters was pretty good at locking down his side of the field and grabbing turnovers and now we have Scandrick over there who just consistently gets owned.

and Houston and Hali issues and contracts...

[gold_and_red]

Can we stop acting like arrowhead is a tough place to play

Yes true. This team seems to play the same both home and away. I am not bothered about seeding at all with this defense.

[TEX]

Really. Whenever I start getting worked up about how we probably lost HFA, I realize it wouldn't matter anyway. This D can get beat by anyone, anywhere.

Exactly the case. We always choke at home in this manner. Where we play does not matter.

[RickObie]

Yes true. This team seems to play the same both home and away. I am not bothered about seeding at all with this defense.

Good thing since our defense just plain sucks.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Why did the refs ignore the hit on Rivers if they wanted to help them win? Or severely help us in getting a two score lead?

Are the refs just that damn good that they can do all that and know it will still work out?

Come on... rewind the hit on Rivers and in real time it looks benign from any angle as Rivers was falling and ODan was trying to hit with his shoulder.

The DPI was ridiculous as the dude caught the ball and was a yard out of bounce. It was the perfect example of uncatchable

[tk13]

If I heard that right... Scott Van Pelt on ESPN just said this is the first time the Chiefs had ever blown a 14 point lead with less than 5 to go, and that the Chargers had never won a game down 14 with less than 5 to go.

[NJChiefsFan]

I mean in some ways the most because chiefs thing here isn't to get the 5 seed. It's getting the 1 seed this weekend and having a month to prepare, only to lose to some 6 seed at home.

[Halfcan]

Total rigged bullshit- the corrupt refs gifted them two TD's and made sure we had to punt at the end.

Rigged fucking bullshit!

[FloridaMan88]

Don’t forget No Hands Harris with a stupid/untimely false start penalty on that final drive, making it 3rd and long.

Yet another stupid play from that dumpster fire, who Andy Reid continues to keep around, just like Sutton.

[Reerun_KC]

100% on fAt Andy and Mahomes. They lost the game.

[Molitoth]

100% on fAt Andy and Mahomes. They lost the game.

Seriously? You're drunk.

I know you aren't this stupid.

[FloridaMan88]

If I heard that right... Scott Van Pelt on ESPN just said this is the first time the Chiefs had ever blown a 14 point lead with less than 5 to go, and that the Chargers had never won a game down 14 with less than 5 to go.

NFL teams this season when leading by at least 14 points with 5 minutes or less left in regulation were 88-0... until tonight.

Because the Chiefs.

[chiefzilla1501]

I agree the play calling sucked but damn.....their defense showed up on the road in a short week and were down by 14. They stopped us. Okay, so our defense needs to go out and do the same.

They didn't stop us. Andy Reid stopped us. That motherfucker will build up a lead then abandon everything he used to build that lead. We didn't lose because we were the worse team. Not by a. Long shot.

[NJChiefsFan]

Total rigged bullshit- the corrupt refs gifted them two TD's and made sure we had to punt at the end.

Rigged ****ing bullshit!

But I don't understand why they would have gifted us our td if they were planning to let la win? Or not call the hit on Rivers. Again I ask, do we believe they are just that good that they can throw plays to trick us or does nobody think we got those calls? Cause we did and people would have been screaming murder if they went against us instead of for us.

[chiefzilla1501]

100% on fAt Andy and Mahomes. They lost the game.

Don't know how in the living fuck anyone would blame this loss on mahomes.

[petegz28]

But I don't understand why they would have gifted us our td if they were planning to let la win? Or not call the hit on Rivers. Again I ask, do we believe they are just that good that they can throw plays to trick us or does nobody think we got those calls? Cause we did and people would have been screaming murder if they went against us instead of for us.

They were out for the spread more than anything. Chiefs were 3.5 favorites and lost by 1. LAC had to have a TD at the end as it was playing out to cover the spread.

[FringeNC]

Yes, the secondary sucks and the LBer’s are pussies, but can the Chiefs coaching staff and front office NOT see the epic dipshittery that has occurred since Bob Sutton has been our coordinator?!?

Grow a ****ing pair of balls and fire the guy!!! How many all time record collapses do we need?!? Colts in playoffs, Titans in playoffs, now this shit!

GTFO Bob. You may not be the sole reason we lost but we’re tired of your awful stench infecting this franchise. Take your ****ing useless corpse and leave you piece of shit.

And, yet, the coaching staff (read: Andy) and front office will sit on their asses and not do a
GD ****ing thing about it! Bunch of pussies!!

Our fan base deserves ****ing better than this bullshit!

Sick of this shit!!!

That'd be an over reaction based on tonight's game. But given this game was essentially a carbon copy of every playoff lose of the Reid era, preach on.

[threebag]

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Our D couldn’t stop this...

[petegz28]

14 point lead with 5 min to go on your own field with the division waiting if you win. There is no excuse. I don't care what the offense did. 14 pt lead in 5 minutes....GONE! POOF! Bob Sutton defenses do one thing well...blow large leads in key games.

[NJChiefsFan]

They were out for the spread more than anything. Chiefs were 3.5 favorites and lost by 1. LAC had to have a TD at the end as it was playing out to cover the spread.

That doesn't work out. The chiefs didn't cover 1 just like they wouldn't have covered losing by 10. The chiefs losing a close game instead of losing by more changes no money. They were the favorites. That doesn't explain it.

[petegz28]

The only way you can blame the offense is if they fumbled on our own 20 or threw a pick 6 or something. They got pinned deep and went 3 and out. Big whoop. They handed our offense a 14 pt lead all night an it would have been more had our defense got some stops.

Instead people are actually blaming Reid or Mahomes much like they did Smith in the playoff games for our defense not being able to lock down a multi-TD lead.

[Halfcan]

NFL controlled the entire game. Scripted from the beginning except fraud Rivers kept throwing picks.

[petegz28]

That doesn't work out. The chiefs didn't cover 1 just like they wouldn't have covered losing by 10. The chiefs losing a close game instead of losing by more changes no money. They were the favorites. That doesn't explain it.

Check your math, bro. The Chargers losing by anything less than 3.5 covers the spread on the non-favorite. All the money was going in KC to win by 3.5 points. So the Chargers being down by 7 were going to have to score a TD to blow that and put that money in Vegas' pocket.

You're problem is you think it was about the Chiefs covering.....

[eDave]

Seriously? You're drunk.

I know you aren't this stupid.

Well, when a fanbase puts all their faith in the QB and that QB doesn't have his best game then he's easily to blame.

Stupid ass thought pattern, but consider the sources.

We got beat. Plain and simple.

[FloridaMan88]

Don't know how anyone would blame this loss on mahomes.

I blame Mahomes for not “accidentally” air mailing a pass out of bounds that just so happens to knock out Sutton.

[thebrad84]

Are Scandrick and Nelson the reincarnation of Warfield and Bartee? Why does this franchise always have some of the shittiest corners in the league?

[Mecca]

NFL teams this season when leading by at least 14 points with 5 minutes or less left in regulation were 88-0... until tonight.

Because the Chiefs.

Yea just like Pitt doesn't blow leads at home either...Chargers get both those in 2 out of 3 games...coincidence?

[rabblerouser]

I seriously hate these scripts where we blow big leads, and they're getting old. The NFL needs to change up the story line.
It's exciting TV though. Those ratings...

[Mecca]

Are Scandrick and Nelson the reincarnation of Warfield and Bartee? Why does this franchise always have some of the shittiest corners in the league?

The answer to that is Veach is a dipshit that thought trading up for a backup fat ass OLB that is a backup on a team that is nearly at 50 sacks had more value than upgrading the god awful CB's and Safeties on this team.

Fathom that.

[Mecca]

It's exciting TV though. Those ratings...

They know Chiefs fans will keep watching so we get hit with heartbreakers.

[PunkinDrublic]

I agree the play calling sucked but damn.....their defense showed up on the road in a short week and were down by 14. They stopped us. Okay, so our defense needs to go out and do the same.

Our offense went into a shell on that series more than the Chargers doing anything significant. I think Pat got sacked because he saw a defense he didn’t recognize. He should’ve called a timeout to regroup. I agree with you on the defense but I have higher expectations for our offense and it’s ability to close out games with first downs.

[petegz28]

Our offense went into a shell on that series more than the Chargers doing anything significant. I think Pat got sacked because he saw a defense he didn’t recognize. He should’ve called a timeout to regroup. I agree with you on the defense but I have higher expectations for our offense and it’s ability to close out games with first downs.

Dude, no team has won this season being down 14 points with 5 min left in the game. No team in history has ever lost when scoring 50+ points.

Sutton's defense has now made history for both this season and all time. To go along with his record setting blown leads in the playoffs, that is.


Do we need better players? Sure. Is there a common denominator in 5 years of blowing large leads? Yes.

[Mecca]

Bob Sutton won't get fired either cause Reid is like that.

[PAChiefsGuy]

It's not all on the defense. The special teams penalty during the last kickoff that pinned gave our offense terrible field position and the offense going three and out against a shit defense didn't help things either.

The defense had the Chargers several times they just kept letting them convert on 3rd and 4th downs. It was so frustrating how this D could play so well for downs 1 and 2 then completely go to shit on 3rd and 4th downs. Unacceptable.

Same time our offense has got to get a first down in that situation as well. They were horrible and actually went backwards that last series.

And stop with the conspiracy theories guys. When we win it's never because Vegas wants us to win but when we lose it's Vegas' fault. Fuck out of here with that BS. We lost cause Chargers played better and because of penalties. End of story.

[MVChiefFan]

Are Scandrick and Nelson the reincarnation of Warfield and Bartee? Why does this franchise always have some of the shittiest corners in the league?

Back in the day, it was the exact opposite. Ross and Lewis, Carter and Hasty were as good as any duos. Man, I wish we had some talent now.

[Flying High D]

That was a tough loss guys. FUCK... Nothing we can do about it now just have to get ready for the next opponent and learn from this. Horrible job by the offense and defense in the last 5-minutes.

Is this Andy posting?

[Tribal Warfare]

Is this Andy posting?

Nope Alex's Wet Nurse

[ping2000]

Is this Andy posting?Andy's at the buffet and can't be disturbed.

[petegz28]

It's not all on the defense. The special teams penalty during the last kickoff that pinned gave our offense terrible field position and the offense going three and out against a shit defense didn't help things either.

The defense had the Chargers several times they just kept letting them convert on 3rd and 4th downs. It was so frustrating how this D could play so well for downs 1 and 2 then completely go to shit on 3rd and 4th downs. Unacceptable.

Same time our offense has got to get a first down in that situation as well. They were horrible and actually went backwards that last series.

And stop with the conspiracy theories guys. When we win it's never because Vegas wants us to win but when we lose it's Vegas' fault. **** out of here with that BS. We lost cause Chargers played better and because of penalties. End of story.

Our offense gave us a 14 point lead with 5 minutes to go in the game. That has worked for literally every team who has done that this season. Every team. No defense has blow a 14 pt lead in the last 5 min of a game this season.

So stop this bullshit about our offense.

[Baby Lee]

Well, when a fanbase puts all their faith in the QB and that QB doesn't have his best game then he's easily to blame.

Stupid ass thought pattern, but consider the sources.

We got beat. Plain and simple.

If people were philosophically consistent, if they say boldly that the QB is all that matters, then they should also hold the QB responsible for every loss.

Before anyone even tries to argue otherwise, be clear that this is not my philosophy and never has been.

[PunkinDrublic]

Dude, no team has won this season being down 14 points with 5 min left in the game. No team in history has ever lost when scoring 50+ points.

Sutton's defense has now made history for both this season and all time. To go along with his record setting blown leads in the playoffs, that is.


Do we need better players? Sure. Is there a common denominator in 5 years of blowing large leads? Yes.

Unfortunately whatever changes that need to be made won’t be made until the offseason. It sucks and it will be our downfall but we’re stuck with what we have on defense and the coordinator the rest of the season. I’m upset at that last series because we were perfectly capable of getting a first down and icing the game and we fucked it up. We can’t fix our terrible defense but we can make better calls on offense to put games away.

[Rivaldo]

Andy's at the buffet and can't be disturbed.

lol

He's unavoidably detained fogging up the sneeze-guard

[Flying High D]

Why did the refs ignore the hit on Rivers if they wanted to help them win? Or severely help us in getting a two score lead?

Are the refs just that damn good that they can do all that and know it will still work out?

If it doesn’t fit narrative just say, “fire Bob” or “Bring him in for a look”

[ping2000]

This isn't a conspiracy theory. It's just another fucked up way to lose. We are the masters of crap our pants.

[Frazod]

Now that I've calmed down a bit, although I still can't fucking sleep, I recall something I heard one of the talking heads say earlier today, about teams coming off overtime games having really bad records on short weeks. That does seem to fit here. Yeah, the defense sucks, but they were basically sodomized for four quarters against the Ravens five days ago plus the OT series. After the first quarter tonight they were basically hanging on by their fingernails. I think if this game is played on Sunday instead of Thursday, they might have had enough left in the tank to stop one of those last drives. Maybe.

Anyway, that's about the only positive thing I can take away from this abortion.

They've got a few extra days to rest up for Seattle now. Hopefully that time will make a difference next week.

[MatriculatingHank]

I said that I'd not let this team get me so upset again...

[Frazod]

I said that I'd not let this team get me so upset again...

I slammed a door hard enough to knock shit off the wall. Luckily nothing broke. :D

[petegz28]

Well, you can say what you want. Refs, yeah they fucked us. Players, yeah, they fucked us. The constants are 2 fold, blown leads and Bob Sutton. You can't argue your way out of that fact. People blame Smith for not winning the playoff games he handed defenses 3-4 TD leads. People are blaming Mahomes for this loss. Meanwhile this season teams that are down by 14 with 5 min left are 0-88 until now.

[PunkinDrublic]

Now that I've calmed down a bit, although I still can't ****ing sleep, I recall something I heard one of the talking heads say earlier today, about teams coming off overtime games having really bad records on short weeks. That does seem to fit here. Yeah, the defense sucks, but they were basically sodomized for four quarters against the Ravens five days ago plus the OT series. After the first quarter tonight they were basically hanging on by their fingernails. I think if this game is played on Sunday instead of Thursday, they might have had enough left in the tank to stop one of those last drives. Maybe.

Anyway, that's about the only positive thing I can take away from this abortion.

They've got a few extra days to rest up for Seattle now. Hopefully that time will make a difference next week.

You’re calmed down now? I’m so jealous. I’m going to go have a few beers and break something so I can achieve calmed down status.

[ping2000]

I said that I'd not let this team get me so upset again...Hospitals show Chiefs games to patients for stress tests. More effective than treadmills to get heart rates up.

[Rivaldo]

So the Pats host Buffalo and The Jets after their game this weekend at Pitt. If they beat Pitt, we have to win-out, ya?

for home-field throughout

and that's without considering SD

[Tribal Warfare]

I said that I'd not let this team get me so upset again...

I'm pissed because we have half a team, but not epically upset like in the Pioli regime.

There is hope whose name is Patrick Mahomes II.

For years when I was on the shitter I've had fleeting thoughts of the Chiefs needing a Franchise QB.

Now, on said shitter it's the defense as a whole in thought.

[Frazod]

You’re calmed down now? I’m so jealous. I’m going to go have a few beers and break something so I can achieve calmed down status.

Comes with age, maybe. There was a time when I would have punched a fucking hole in the wall after a loss like this. But then the next day you've just got a hole to patch.

[tk13]

So the Pats host Buffalo and The Jets after their game this weekend at Pitt. If they beat Pitt, we have to win-out, ya?

for home-field throughout

and that's without considering SD

Yes we win out and we're still the 1 seed no matter what. We have the tiebreak over the Chargers due to division record.

[petegz28]

So the Pats host Buffalo and The Jets after their game this weekend at Pitt. If they beat Pitt, we have to win-out, ya?

for home-field throughout

and that's without considering SD

We have to win out unless we get help. Can't count on help. Then again, had we taken care of business tonight it wouldn't matter much.

[Best22]

The fact we have Mahomes and are in the playoffs and that he has 45 touchdown passes (47 totalROFL) takes the pain away by the minute

[lcarus]

I was just praying LA would score with 1:30 left or whatever, tie it up, and give us the ball with a great chance. I knew they'd eventually get a TD and if there was little or no time left they'd go for 2 and get it.

[bevischief]

GLAD I AM DIVORCED. THIS WOULD HAVE DONE IT.

[JakeF]

Potentially a HOF Quarterback on offense
Leading the league in sacks with 3 players in Jones,Ford and Houston on defense.

These things and we are still trying to find a way to shit the bed and blow it.

[Rivaldo]

The team needs a killer instinct now. Seattle is a must-win sitch lol only to ensure we don't go to NE, but rather experience another death-struggle at home vrs. a SD or Bmore-type team like we have these last 2 weeks.

I dunno, fellas

[Frazod]

One thing I have to admire is San Diego going for the kill shot with the 2-point conversion. I'm still pissed that Vermeil didn't do that in that shootout game we had with the Patriots that they won in OT when we scored right at the end. Defense just as bad as it is now, couldn't stop shit all day, and Weepy Dick plays for OT. Pats won the toss, marched right down the field and scored, as we all knew they would.

It was the right thing to do. Even if by some miracle they hadn't scored, it would still have been the right thing do to.

[Rivaldo]

yep. propers to SD for that.

[tk13]

Potentially a HOF Quarterback on offense
Leading the league in sacks with 3 players in Jones,Ford and Houston on defense.

These things and we are still trying to find a way to shit the bed and blow it.

The funny thing is I thought those were the two things you needed. Everyone's always been all about the QB, and that's true it's probably the most important, but I always said it wouldn't matter if you didn't have a pass rush to stop the other guy. But we have that and it still might not be enough. That's pretty rough.

[lcarus]

One thing I have to admire is San Diego going for the kill shot with the 2-point conversion. I'm still pissed that Vermeil didn't do that in that shootout game we had with the Patriots that they won in OT when we scored right at the end. Defense just as bad as it is now, couldn't stop shit all day, and Weepy Dick plays for OT. Pats won the toss, marched right down the field and scored, as we all knew they would.

It was the right thing to do. Even if by some miracle they hadn't scored, it would still have been the right thing do to.

I hate this defense so much I almost wish our offense would go for 2 every TD. We need as many points as we can get. We're good enough to convert most of the time so at the very least it would balance out.

[Frazod]

I hate this defense so much I almost wish our offense would go for 2 every TD. We need as many points as we can get. We're good enough to convert most of the time so at the very least it would balance out.

Considering how shaky Butker's getting, it might not be a bad idea.

Between him and the godforsaken defense, we've got problems. Doesn't matter who's under center. Dude's barely making EPs - nothing's going right down the middle anymore. I wouldn't have trusted him with a long field goal tonight at all.

[threebag]

GLAD I AM DIVORCED. THIS WOULD HAVE DONE IT.

To the wood chipper

[bevischief]

To the wood chipper

Yes I PARKED THE TRAILER.

[NJChiefsFan]

Check your math, bro. The Chargers losing by anything less than 3.5 covers the spread on the non-favorite. All the money was going in KC to win by 3.5 points. So the Chargers being down by 7 were going to have to score a TD to blow that and put that money in Vegas' pocket.

You're problem is you think it was about the Chiefs covering.....

No I'm not. You are trying to explain why the refs wanted to put KC up 14, which is the question I asked that you were responding to. Unless you don't understand what I was asking. I don't need any help with the scenario you just described but that was not what I was talking about.

[Rasputin]

Playing 4 days after playing one of the most physical games of the season and getting banged up is bullshit.

The offensive line is depleted and we miss the doctor guard the most. Lick our wounds and suck it up we have 10 days get ready for Seattle.

[Reerun_KC]

Playing 4 days after playing one of the most physical games of the season and getting banged up is bullshit.

The offensive line is depleted and we miss the doctor guard the most. Lick our wounds and suck it up we have 10 days get ready for Seattle.

What a golden opportunity pissed away by this franchise.


The media is right about the chargers.

[chiefzilla1501]

That 3 down series is just maddening. And that's classic Andy Reid. Two predictable safe as shit playcalls. Sets up a 3rd where mahomes was undoubtedly told to take no chances.

Reid wanted the ball in our defenses hands in poor field position instead of using our dynamic qb to chunk yards. It has happened way too many times under his watch to think it isn't a coincidence. If Andy doesn't change his ways after 20 years of making this same mistake, we're screwed. The only hope is that a loss in a big game helps him finally learn that lesson.

[Reerun_KC]

Fat Andy

[kcpasco]

That 3 down series is just maddening. And that's classic Andy Reid. Two predictable safe as shit playcalls. Sets up a 3rd where mahomes was undoubtedly told to take no chances.

Reid wanted the ball in our defenses hands in poor field position instead of using our dynamic qb to chunk yards. It has happened way too many times under his watch to think it isn't a coincidence. If Andy doesn't change his ways after 20 years of making this same mistake, we're screwed. The only hope is that a loss in a big game helps him finally learn that lesson.

Andy isn’t changing his ways. Our only hope is Patrick pulls a Manning and starts changing the calls on the field. I wonder who Chunt would back if it came to that.

[Why Not?]

That 3 down series is just maddening. And that's classic Andy Reid. Two predictable safe as shit playcalls. Sets up a 3rd where mahomes was undoubtedly told to take no chances.

Reid wanted the ball in our defenses hands in poor field position instead of using our dynamic qb to chunk yards. It has happened way too many times under his watch to think it isn't a coincidence. If Andy doesn't change his ways after 20 years of making this same mistake, we're screwed. The only hope is that a loss in a big game helps him finally learn that lesson.

You’re right but you’re to optimistic. Andy Reid has made a career out of losing big games. He never learns from them.

[chiefzilla1501]

It's a sad state when you know our best opportunity to win a playoff game might be to play from behind. When we play from behind, Andy puts the ball in the offenses hands. When we protect a lead, he puts the game in the defenses hands. I'll take the offense in that scenario.

[bdj23]

I fell asleep right after Damien Williams 2nd touchdown (I've been sick) what in the holy hell happened?!?!

I was shocked to wake up and see we lost that game.

[petegz28]

I fell asleep right after Damien Williams 2nd touchdown (I've been sick) what in the holy hell happened?!?!

I was shocked to wake up and see we lost that game.

Another lead blown in historic fashion by a Bob Sutton defense....

[Pushead2]

I fell asleep right after Damien Williams 2nd touchdown (I've been sick) what in the holy hell happened?!?!

I was shocked to wake up and see we lost that game.

Bob Sutton

[bevischief]

Bob Sutton

:cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::#:#:#:#:#:#:#

[Pushead2]

:cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::#:#:#:#:#:#:#

Indeed

[bevischief]

:cuss:

[Reerun_KC]

Bob Sutton

Fat Andy.

[Jimmya]

Is Dick Lebeau not retired.... Call him up to finish the season!

[RunKC]

Another lead blown in historic fashion by a Bob Sutton defense....

Then your qualm is with Andy for not firing the motherfucker after last season.

Andy is the route of all the problems that fuck us every season.

[farmerchief]

It's a sad state when you know our best opportunity to win a playoff game might be to play from behind. When we play from behind, Andy puts the ball in the offenses hands. When we protect a lead, he puts the game in the defenses hands. I'll take the offense in that scenario. Yep, exactly, and well stated!

[gold_and_red]

It's a sad state when you know our best opportunity to win a playoff game might be to play from behind. When we play from behind, Andy puts the ball in the offenses hands. When we protect a lead, he puts the game in the defenses hands. I'll take the offense in that scenario.

Agreed! And playing on the road.

[bigjosh]

Fuck Sutton. The bottom line is that his scheme simply makes players worse. You can blame it on personnel all you want but they brought guys in that were great last year, and all of a sudden suck ass.

He took last years top rated slot corner and makes him look like shit.

He has a top 5 coverage linebacker from last year that now looks like shit.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

I will never understand Sutton guy thinks we have 3 pro bowl corners. The way he plays man coverage with the game on the line killed us in all 3 loses.

[bigjosh]

I will never understand Sutton guy thinks we have 3 pro bowl corners. The way he plays man coverage with the game on the line killed us in all 3 loses.



Well they were getting picked apart in zone too so...

[TEX]

Considering how shaky Butker's getting, it might not be a bad idea.

Between him and the godforsaken defense, we've got problems. Doesn't matter who's under center. Dude's barely making EPs - nothing's going right down the middle anymore. I wouldn't have trusted him with a long field goal tonight at all.

Yep. Anything 35+ yards is gonna go wide right or left. He just barely makes them inside the uprights at 30yards. :shake:

[fan4ever]

They were legit penalties... obvious on replay. Unlike the one on the Chargers last drive.

Not my point at all. My point is that our offense was comparatively ineffective to how we've played the rest of the season. I didn't realize Chargers had a better D than Baltimore...because our offensive stats were much worse.

[RealSNR]

Hire Todd Bowles, Sean McDermott, or Ron Rivera. All Reid disciples. They might all get fired this year. Pick any of them.

Just get some new blood and some new personalities in the defensive coaching room. It’s stagnant and shitty now

[alpha_omega]

8 yards. 8 fucking yards. There wasn't a single Chiefs defender within 8 FUCKING YARDS of the Charges best WR on the field when the game's on the line. That is a clear indication that your defense is terribly coached and has some really stupid players on it.

It's even worse than that. Their best WR on the field had been tearing into you all night. Would have thought someone would have said..."now, you stick to 81".

[bricks]

It's a sad state when you know our best opportunity to win a playoff game might be to play from behind. When we play from behind, Andy puts the ball in the offenses hands. When we protect a lead, he puts the game in the defenses hands. I'll take the offense in that scenario.

The problem I have with Andy Reid is that he lacks logic and flow in his playcalling. Those two variables come back to haunt us late in games.

We have the offense to execute and kill the clock late in games. But, Andy Reid just doesn’t call good, sensible plays late in games on offense to help sustain drives and to kill out the clock.

If his playcalling was a little more sensible, and he had the proper brain trust or intuive knowledge to know not to give the ball (especially if it is a good team w/ a good offense or QB) late in the game and expect your defense to stop them....If he had an ounce of sense to know to avoid those situations, that makes a difference of about two losses right there. We’d probably be looking at 13-1 right now.

[kcpasco]

Andy is scared of turnovers. This defense will allow a score if the ball was intercepted or punted. Trust Mahomes you fat bastard.

I’d like to see Pat pull a Peyton where he waves off Andy’s conservative BS.

[kcpasco]

Where was Kelce in the 2nd half? This loss is on Andy and his butt**** partner Sutton.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Where was Kelce in the 2nd half? This loss is on Andy and his butt**** partner Sutton.

Kelce was doubled. Hill wasn’t full speed and the other WIdeouts can’t beat 1 on 1

[kcpasco]

Kelce was doubled. Hill wasn’t full speed and the other WIdeouts can’t beat 1 on 1

Conley is good enough to beat 1on1. Reid called a conservative game plan up by 14.

[scho63]

It’s why you never, ever get your hopes up about this franchise.

First answer - best answer! :clap:

[ptlyon]

Kelce was doubled. Hill wasn’t full speed and the other WIdeouts can’t beat 1 on 1

It's like he's so afraid to "waste" play calls

[Mennonite]

I firmly believe that this would never have happened if you assholes hadn't ran off Simply Red.

[JoeyChuckles]

Most of us knew Bob Sutton was a problem at the end of last season if not earlier. A select few in the organization (and in the fan-base) did not see this. Those are the ones responsible for our current situation, and until they are removed, the same basic problems will continue to exist in this organization. I hope it's not Andy or Clark responsible, but it very well could be either one.

[gblowfish]

When you think that they cut Amersen in training camp because he sucked so bad...think of how truly God Awful he must be...not to be able to hang with the likes of Scandrick and Nelson. Man...talk about dogshit!

[JakeF]

Bad defensive coordinator + Head Coach who can't manage clock = No lead is safe

[TEX]

When you think that they cut Amersen in training camp because he sucked so bad...think of how truly God Awful he must be...not to be able to hang with the likes of Scandrick and Nelson. Man...talk about dogshit!

Yep. On a side note, Breeland had a pick 6 for GB the other day.