Our next Defensive Coordinator - who do you want?

[Dante84]

Who would be the best fit to help us win quick?

[ptlyon]

A box of hair can do better

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Bowles has to up there

[Iconic]

Could and should have been Pettine smh.

I hope it's some young hot shot with a crazy ass scheme.

[The Franchise]

If either one of them are fired? Ron Rivera or Sean McDermott.

[bigjosh]

Del rio

[bricks]

Are we getting a new defensive coordinator? That should be the question.

[The Franchise]

Kevin Ross as well.

[RunKC]

Most likely an Andy former coach, but we need to look at someone from the Ravens IMO.

[MTG#10]

I'd take Clay at this point

[Dante84]

Are we getting a new defensive coordinator? That should be the question.

One has to think Sutton will be forced into early retirement, especially if we lose the same way in the playoffs.

[Red Dawg]

Are we getting a new defensive coordinator? That should be the question.
No, we are not.
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[Buckweath]

Bob Sutton.

[gold_and_red]

If Chiefs get to the AFCCG (first time under Reid) I am not so sure if Sutton gets canned.

[carcosa]

Fucking anyone else on earth

[chiefzilla1501]

Ed Donatell please.

Fangio's D is perfect for us and is actually effective in today's NFL.

[chiefzilla1501]

If either one of them are fired? Ron Rivera or Sean McDermott.

I don't really love it....
McDermott's D will frustrate the living hell out of us. It's unaggressive zone D which I don't trust to be consistently great for us.

I wanted Mike Zimmer's "Jimmy Johnson" scheme, which makes Rivera a nice fit... but I don't think that has looked so hot with this year's new offense-friendly rules.

The scheme that's killing it right now is the Under scheme. And Fangio runs it out of a 3-4. We need to be running that scheme yesterday.

[bricks]

One has to think Sutton will be forced into early retirement, especially if we lose the same way in the playoffs.

I don’t know about force. Can’t really force a guy into retirement.

On the other hand, he should do the right thing and resign like GRob did.

At least, if he had some class and could give up his ego a little bit and resign out of town because Andy is not ****ing firing him which is frustrating. I hope he resigns and create a little bit of justice for the fans that way.

[Dante84]

I don’t know about force. Can’t really force a guy into retirement.

On the other hand, he should do the right thing and resign like GRob did.

At least, if he had some class and could give up his ego a little bit and resign out of town because Andy is not ****ing firing him which is frustrating. I hope he resigns and create a little bit of justice for the fans that way.

Sure you can. K-State just did it.

[OKchiefs]

Either force him in to retirement or put cyanide in his ensure, either way works.

[jimidollar]

Get me someone, anyone. And get me someone while I'm waiting.

[bricks]

Sure you can. K-State just did it.

Did they? Okay didnt know you could do that.

[Wallcrawler]

Billay

[ptlyon]

"Kansas city Police chief announces that Kansas city Chiefs defensive coordinator Bob Sutton was found dead with 12 bullet wounds. It was "the worst case of suicide he's ever seen" he said."

[Cosmos]

Ohis State Co-Defensive coordinator Greg Schiano is looking around now that Day has taken over for Urban Meyer.

Unfortunately as an OSU and Chiefs fan, These defenses look amazingly similar with poor LB play, and a defensive backfield that cannot locate the ball in the air, and commit tons of OPI penalties.

As s fan, it remarkable how OSU and KC seasons have tracked together.

In any case, should Schiano’s name come up, I would not be happy....

[KC Hawks]

Kris Richard.

[ClevelandBronco]

We're sorta hoping here that Vance Joseph is available to interview.

[ptlyon]

Kris Richard.

Keith Richards

[Easy 6]

Me, I'll do it... sure as hell couldn't be any worse

[Rain Man]

I want whoever is the most opposite of Bob Sutton that we can find. So I'll go with a young girl from Sri Lanka who has a non-palindromic first name and a philosophy of rushing the passer and aggressive downhill run defense.

[ptlyon]

I want whoever is the most opposite of Bob Sutton that we can find. So I'll go with a young girl from Sri Lanka who has a non-palindromic first name and a philosophy of rushing the passer and aggressive downhill run defense.

With big tits.

[smithandrew051]

Marvin Lewis if the Bengals fire him

[SAUTO]

I want a fangio guy

[Rain Man]

With big tits.

I haven't seen Bob with his shirt off so I'll trust you on that one.

[chiefzilla1501]

I want a fangio guy

Agreed. Ed Donatell not only has solid DC credentials. He also is practically fangios right hand man.

Reid knowing Nagy means we have a connection.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I think Ray Lewis would be great.

The guys on sirius radio all continue to stress that Sutton is a good coach and he's had our defense top 5-10 for about 5 years. Our players in the secondary are just bad. We just need to bring in some secondary talent this off season.

[007]

Fucking anyone else on earthGrob?

[OKchiefs]

I think Ray Lewis would be great.

The guys on sirius radio all continue to stress that Sutton is a good coach and he's had our defense top 5-10 for about 5 years. Our players in the secondary are just bad. We just need to bring in some secondary talent this off season.

Plenty of evidence proves Sutton is in fact not great. He's not 💯 to blame, but there's also something to be said for getting a new face with a fresh message to change things up. Get a new coordinator asap and hope Veach can pull his head out of his ass and not draft complete crap on defense.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Looking Back, Sutton started in 2013

Based on defensive points allowed our defensive rank:

2013 5th
2014 2nd
2015 3rd
2016 7th
2017 15th
2018 28th

So whats changed?

[FloridaMan88]

Mike Zimmer if Minnesota fires him.

[ping2000]

Open the phone book. Pick a name. If it's not Bob Sutton, hire them.

[ping2000]

Ray Lewis would be great. Players would be scared of getting murdered. Motivation.

[Rain Man]

****ing anyone else on earth

Grob?


****ing almost anyone else on earth

[Gravedigger]

In a sense you have to understand that we don't run down the clock like we did with Alex. We score fast, thus giving more possessions to our defense. Our defensive roster is weaker than it was three or four years ago, but we're playing a different type of offense and putting more pressure on our defense. I don't think it's Sutton's fault completely, but someone's head has to roll and his head is prime for the chopping block after six years of subpar playoff failures.

[chiefzilla1501]

Looking Back, Sutton started in 2013

Based on defensive points allowed our defensive rank:

2013 5th
2014 2nd
2015 3rd
2016 7th
2017 15th
2018 28th

So whats changed?

Defensive holding rules. His preferred scheme is really badly suited for the new nfl. I don't love many of the zone Ds, which is most of Reid's tree, for that reason.

[fairladyZ]

If the ravens decide to move on from harbaugh and he doesn't immediately land somewhere and swoop up his staff I'd like to pick up Wink Martindale from the ravens. It obvious the shit D we have plays better when we are aggressive, yet consistently Buttons plays soft and lets teams march down the field. I want crazy schemes and aggressiveness.

[chinaski]

Fucking anyone else on earth

:clap:

I'll throw my hat in the ring, for substantially less than Sutton. I have no coaching experience, but at least I can tell these guys to FUCKING BLITZ AND TACKLE!

[bigjosh]

Looking Back, Sutton started in 2013

Based on defensive points allowed our defensive rank:

2013 5th
2014 2nd
2015 3rd
2016 7th
2017 15th
2018 28th

So whats changed?



We are winning the division now and playing better teams.

Also, he doesn’t have pro bowlers at every secondary and linebacker spot anymore.

[Pennywise]

Ray Lewis would be great. Players would be scared of getting murdered. Motivation.

LMAO

[Titty Meat]

Carl Pelini

[tyton75]

Gunther Cunningham... :)

can you even imagine!??

[Chief Roundup]

They will not Fire Sutton. They will again blame the lack of quality players on that side of the ball. It is very easy to understand that position as well. We have LOTS of starters/backups that are shit on that side of the ball.
Parker, Sorensen, Murray, Scandrick, Nelson, Ragland, Hitchens, Kpass
Everyone of us knew coming in to this season that it was going to take more than one year to turn this D around.

[DJJasonp]

has anyone mentioned Jim Bob Cooter yet?

I have no idea if he's good, but....well.....you know......

[FloridaMan88]

has anyone mentioned Jim Bob Cooter yet?

I have no idea if he's good, but....well.....you know......

He's an offensive coordinator, just an FYI.

[gold_and_red]

He's an offensive coordinator, just an FYI.

If Castillo an OL coach can be a DC then Reid could entertain Cooter as a DC too.

[FloridaMan88]

If Castillo an OL coach can be a DC then Reid could entertain Cooter as a DC too.

Juan Castillo holds the distinction as probably the only assistant coach Andy Reid has ever fired in his 20 years as a HC... that's how bad he was as a DC.

[DJJasonp]

He's an offensive coordinator, just an FYI.

Heh........STILL better than Sutton! :)

[DeepPurple]

I don't think Wink Martindale is going anywhere, he was just promoted this year to DC. Before him was Dean Pees who's now with the Titans, he was gone because he sucked. However, the Ravens defensive coordinator before him during their run up and win in Super Bowl XXXVII was Chuck Pagano, that how he got the head coaching job. It obviously didn't work out, but he should be about ready to get back into coaching as an assistant, he a really good DC. There was talk he was coming back to the Ravens, but I guess he wanted some time off, so they promoted Martindale.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Chuck_pagano_ravens.jpg/250px-Chuck_pagano_ravens.jpg

Chuck Pagano

[Mecca]

What changed?

He no longer has Justin Houston and Eric Berry being the best players in the league at their positions nor does he have a unique talent like Sean Smith that uniquely fits his scheme.

Basically without perfect personnel Sutton sucks. But it's a bad thread because Reid won't fire him until they have a losing season.

[jd1020]

Basically without perfect personnel Sutton sucks. But it's a bad thread because Reid won't fire him until they have a losing season.

There's another way...

[chiefzilla1501]

I don't think Sutton gets fired. I'm being way too optimistic but Reid sounded tentatively supportive of Sutton in the offseason. There's a part of me that thinks they let Sutton stay on as lame duck until they get personnel to change to a 4-3. I think Reid gets Sutton and Emmett Thomas to retire.

[chiefzilla1501]

What changed?

He no longer has Justin Houston and Eric Berry being the best players in the league at their positions nor does he have a unique talent like Sean Smith that uniquely fits his scheme.

Basically without perfect personnel Sutton sucks. But it's a bad thread because Reid won't fire him until they have a losing season.

Sutton was exposed last year when his DBs got flagged on every play for playing too aggressive. It was the rules changes that ruined Sutton, not lack of talent. He's fielded good defenses before with garbage when you consider how often our superstars couldn't stay on the field.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Berry seemed to make a difference during the 1st half. The 2nd half he didn't play and look what happened.

[OKchiefs]

Berry seemed to make a difference during the 1st half. The 2nd half he didn't play and look what happened.

Your entire defense shouldn't hinge on one player.

[TwistedChief]

Eric Berry appeared to be interviewing for the position last night.

[chinaski]

Anybody but Sutton #FireBobSutton

"Bend don't break" is and always was a major red flag. WTF is up with that bullshit? Our DC tells the players to "Bend don't break".

Fuck That

FUCK THAT

I want our DC to tell our guys "GO KILL THAT MOTHER EFFER"

Horse Shit.

[MahiMike]

One thing I noticed last night, there's no pre snap movement or confusion by our defense. Just so basic. Our offense is miles ahead of other teams with this concept. Why can't our defense do the same. The Ravens confused the hell out of Pat.

[Discuss Thrower]

Who is or isn't the defensive coordinator is pretty irrelevant when the front office has been comically inept at identifying talent coming out of college over the last half decade.

[Chiefnj2]

Stephen A Smith was talking about this and he suggested Bum Phillips.

[Chief Roundup]

Who is or isn't the defensive coordinator is pretty irrelevant when the front office has been comically inept at identifying talent coming out of college over the last half decade.

Patrick Mahomes
Kareem Hunt
Chris Jones
Tyreek Hill
Marcus Peters
Mitch Morse
Steven Nelson
Dee Ford
Zach Fulton
LDT
Eric Fisher
Travis Kelce

That list is not comically inept.
Your reaction and overstatement is very comical though.

[ILChief]

Todd Bowles when he’s canned
Sean McDermott if he’s canned
Vance Joseph if he's canned
Chuck Pagano
Gregg Williams if he doesn’t the Browns job
Mike Pettine if Green Bay cleans house
Teryl Austin
Ray Horton

[Discuss Thrower]

Patrick Mahomes
Kareem Hunt
Chris Jones
Tyreek Hill
Marcus Peters
Mitch Morse
Steven Nelson
Dee Ford
Zach Fulton
LDT
Eric Fisher
Travis Kelce

That list is not comically inept.
Your reaction and overstatement is very comical though.


Notice commonality on all but three of those names on that list?

Thanks for proving the point though and it's obvious me forgetting to put the word "defensive" in front of talent didn't really hinder your understanding of it.

[chiefzilla1501]

Todd Bowles when he’s canned
Sean McDermott if he’s canned
Vance Joseph if he's canned
Chuck Pagano
Gregg Williams if he doesn’t the Browns job
Mike Pettine if Green Bay cleans house
Teryl Austin
Ray Horton

A few ughs in there. I don't want retreads. I don't want a tree candidate unless they're running a defense that is built for the new league rules. For me... Pettine is more of the same. Williams and McDermott are WAY too dependent on their secondary. If people hate us not blitzing, McDermott will drive everybodh crazy.

[OKchiefs]

Patrick Mahomes
Kareem Hunt
Chris Jones
Tyreek Hill
Marcus Peters
Mitch Morse
Steven Nelson
Dee Ford
Zach Fulton
LDT
Eric Fisher
Travis Kelce

That list is not comically inept.
Your reaction and overstatement is very comical though.

How much of that list is defense?

Chris Jones is awesome

Nelson is an average CB at best.

Peters is overrated and no longer with the team

BRILLIANT defensive scouting by Dorsey/Veach!!!

[eDave]

Bob Sutton is fine. It's just one game. Damn fairies.

[KCUnited]

I'd take Wilson Phillips at this point.

[BossChief]

Ray Horton or Rex Ryan.

[SAUTO]

Todd Bowles when he’s canned
Sean McDermott if he’s canned
Vance Joseph if he's canned
Chuck Pagano
Gregg Williams if he doesn’t the Browns job
Mike Pettine if Green Bay cleans house
Teryl Austin
Ray HortonMo has always said williams will never coach in KC

[Chief Roundup]

Mo has always said williams will never coach in KC

Mo? Who are you referring to?

[JakeF]

In the current NFL, a team needs a DC who can adapt to all the inventive passing games that are popping up in the league.

Teach and Develop players
Fit the scheme to match the player's strengths
Able to adapt during the game

[JakeF]

Gregg Williams isn't coaching in Kansas City. His family is here and he doesn't want them taking a bunch of shit.

[jaa1025]

Looking Back, Sutton started in 2013

Based on defensive points allowed our defensive rank:

2013 5th
2014 2nd
2015 3rd
2016 7th
2017 15th
2018 28th

So whats changed?

Defensive points allowed is low because they had a ball control offense that limited possessions.

[Clyde Frog]

Marvin when he gets shit canned from CIN or Rex.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

You'd think that people would eventually learn that coordinators can only fuck things up (Gunther, Solari) but can't fix things. If you're looking for a DC that can fix things, then you're on a fool's errand. What you need is a DC that just doesn't fuck things up. Find better players, teach them proper technique, and make adjustments if someone is getting repeatedly burned. If it was really about knowledge, Belichick would have better defenses.

[Discuss Thrower]

Twice now I've seen Rex floated as a replacement for Sutton.. and all I can think of is the "Spiderman fingerpoints Spiderman" meme.

[rabblerouser]

He's an offensive coordinator, just an FYI.

He does do a great job of stopping Detroit's offense...

[T-post Tom]

One has to think Sutton will be forced into early long over due retirement, especially if we lose the same way in the playoffs.

FYP brother...he's 67. He should be enjoying his grandkids on Sundays. :)

Ed Donatell please.

Fangio's D is perfect for us and is actually effective in today's NFL.

That makes sense to me. And a young man at 61. :D Chicago is currently the #3 defense in total yards allowed. #9 in passing yds allowed. #2 in rushing yds allowed. I'm sure there are other defensive coaches on the Bears that would prove to be an upgrade at DC over Sutton as well.

Ed Donatell is in his fourth season as the Bears defensive backs coach after being hired by the team on January 21, 2015. He has 39 years coaching experience, including 27 in the NFL.

In 2017, Donatell's secondary ranked seventh in the league in fewest net passing yards allowed while the defense finished 11th in fewest yards per play (5.1). Under Donatell's tutelage, rookie Eddie Jackson finished the season tied for the team lead in interceptions (2), returning one for a touchdown and led the team in fumble recoveries (3), returning one for a score. Additionally, veteran cornerback Kyle Fuller had a breakout season, ranking second in the NFL in passes defensed (22) and ninth in terms of total tackles among cornerbacks (68). Collectively, the secondary helped aid a Bears defense which allowed the fourth-fewest plays of 25+ yards in the NFL (22), tied-seventh in sacks (42) and finished tied-ninth in interception return yards (253).

Prior to joining the Bears, Donatell spent four seasons (2011-14) as the secondary coach for the San Francisco 49ers. During that time, Donatell's secondary was a part of a 49ers defense that ranked second in the NFL in scoring defense (17.4 points per game) and opponent passer rating (76.8), tied for second in interceptions (78), third in total defense (310.2 yards per game) and sixth in pass defense (218.2 ypg).

Four players from San Francisco's secondary were named to a total of six Pro Bowls under Donatell's guidance: S Dashon Goldson (2011-12), CB Carlos Rogers (2011), S Eric Reid (2013) and S Donte Whitner (2011-12). In addition, Goldson, earned first-team All-Pro honors by the Associated Press in 2012 and Rogers was named a second-team All-Pro by the AP in 2011.

Prior to his time in San Francisco, Donatell was the secondary coach of the Denver Broncos for two seasons (2009-10), his second coaching stint with the club. During his time in Denver, the Broncos were ninth in the NFL in passing defense allowing 211.3 yards per game.

Donatell was the defensive coordinator at the University of Washington in 2008 and served as a special assistant for the New York Jets in 2007.

From 2000-06, Donatell served as an NFL defensive coordinator for two teams: Green Bay (2000-03) and Atlanta (2004-06). During his three seasons in Atlanta, the Falcons defense was tied for seventh in the NFL with 122 sacks and eighth in third-down defense (217-of-599, 36.2 percent). In 2004 the Falcons paced the league with 48 sacks, the first time leading the NFL in that category, while advancing to the NFC Championship game. In 2005, the Falcons led the NFL in third-down defense (58-of-192, 30.2 percent). In 2006, they ranked sixth in the league in yards per carry allowed (3.75) and ninth in rushing defense (103.6 ypg).

During Donatell's four seasons as Green Bay's defensive coordinator, the Packers were third in the NFL with 144 takeaways, including pacing the league with 116 takeaways from 2001 to 2003. In 2002, the Packers defense set a Green Bay record with 52 sacks (which still stands) and led the NFL with 45 takeaways, sixth-most in franchise history.

In Donatell's first stint with the Broncos he held the role of defensive backs coach from 1995-99. During that time, the Broncos were seventh in the NFL in passing defense (199.6 ypg) and yards per attempts (6.47). Denver won back-to-back Super Bowl titles during that time (XXXII following the 1997 season and XXXIII following the 1998 season). The Broncos ranked in the top 10 in pass defense in four of his five seasons overseeing the defensive backs (ninth in 1995, tenth in 1996, fifth in 1997 and eighth in 1999).

Donatell got his NFL coaching start as the defensive backs coach with the New York Jets from 1990-94.

From 1979-89, Donatell operated in the collegiate coaching ranks, holding the role of defensive backs coach with Cal State Fullerton (1989), the University of Idaho (1986-88) and the University of Pacific (1983-85) after working as a graduate assistant at the University of Washington (1981-82) and Kent State (1979-80).

An all-conference defensive back, team captain and four-year letter winner at Glenville State (W.Va.) University, Donatell received a bachelor's degree in physical education in 1979. He went on to earn a master's degree in administration from Kent State in 1981.

A native of Stow, Ohio, Donatell and his wife Shari, have three children, Brenna, Tommy and Stevie.

[KChiefs1]

Bob Sutton is fine. It's just one game. Damn fairies.


https://omny.fm/shows/the-program/monologue-2f69aef0-269d-481e-9504-cf957ecafe7c

[T-post Tom]

https://omny.fm/shows/the-program/monologue-2f69aef0-269d-481e-9504-cf957ecafe7c

Damn right. 88-0. Conversation over.

[Coochie liquor]

Who cares who anybody wants. Keep with Sutton, or get ready for DC Brit Reid.

[rabblerouser]

Who cares who anybody wants. Keep with Sutton, or get ready for DC Brit Reid.

(Pukes in own mouth)

[Coochie liquor]

Todd Bowles when he’s canned
Sean McDermott if he’s canned
Vance Joseph if he's canned
Chuck Pagano
Gregg Williams if he doesn’t the Browns job
Mike Pettine if Green Bay cleans house
Teryl Austin
Ray Horton

Wtf? Are you just throwing shot at the wall? What has Vance fucking Joseph ever done to make you think he’d be a good candidate for DC?? Please, no more nominations from you ok?? I can’t even look at the rest of your list because you put his name on there.

[CaliforniaChief]

I can't name anyone and say with authority that they'd be a great DC, but I don't think we need a great DC. We need a competent one.

We don't need a great defense, we just need an average one.

[T-post Tom]

810 caller: TMZ needs to find a tape of Bob Sutton.

ROFL

[Naptown Chief]

Can one of you guys just take one for the team and kill Sutton? Please? Pretty please with sugar on top?

[JakeF]

Who cares who anybody wants. Keep with Sutton, or get ready for DC Brit Reid.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/M9uJy-J9XzA/maxresdefault.jpg

[TEX]

Wtf? Are you just throwing shot at the wall? What has Vance ****ing Joseph ever done to make you think he’d be a good candidate for DC?? Please, no more nominations from you ok?? I can’t even look at the rest of your list because you put his name on there.

No shit. He wasn't good in Miami. But I looked at his list and I'd welcome Todd Bowels with open arms.

[rabblerouser]

Sutton was exposed last year when his DBs got flagged on every play for playing too aggressive. It was the rules changes that ruined Sutton, not lack of talent. He's fielded good defenses before with garbage when you consider how often our superstars couldn't stay on the field.

There's a lot of truth to this.

[Easy 6]

For the second or third time in my 12+ years here, I'm with chiefzilla

Go get that Vic Fangio understudy in Chicago

[kccrow]

My short list:
Leslie Frazier (Bills)
Kris Richard (Cowboys)
Jerry Olsavsky (Steelers)

[TEX]

For the second or third time in my 12+ years here, I'm with chiefzilla

Go get that Vic Fangio understudy in Chicago

That's really a darn good idea.

[Naptown Chief]

For the second or third time in my 12+ years here, I'm with chiefzilla

Go get that Vic Fangio understudy in Chicago

I'd be cool with that

[CoMoChief]

If Clark Hunt cared at all about the Chiefs ever winning a SB under his watch, he'd tell Reid to make a change at DC in the offseason.

We've seen this movie before, and we know how it ends (2003). Much like DV, Reid is extremely loyal and stands by his coordinators. Reid delegates the entire defensive side of the ball to Sutton. When the defense is out on the field, Reid in many cases is on the bench going over the offense w/ Mahomes.

King Carl forced DV's hand on the firing of GRob. DV didn't have the courage to do it on his own, because GRob should have been fired a season prior, and it probably cost DV a Super Bowl w/ the Chiefs. If Reid doesn't fire Sutton in the offseason it may cost him one as well. He's the longest tenured DC (on their current team) in the league, has shown minimal results, and the defense (and talent) seems to be getting worse and worse each year. I mean this team needs help on defense everywhere. The Chiefs literally have do BDPA all throughout the draft next yr. Secondary big time.

You can't have the worst defense in the NFL and keep your job. It's that simple. Time to move on. Almost wish they'd change to a 43 and draft some hybrid LB's that can fly, because that's what the league is changing to. Dunno how current personnel would fit.

[UChieffyBugger]

The one thing I wonder about is Is Reid prepared to bring in someone he hasn't had a previous relationship with? He did it at Philly by all accounts as he hired Jim Johnson and gave him full power over the defense which helped him reach five NFC championship games.

But anyway, If Andy is inclined to stick with guys he's worked with before, then this is pretty much the list.

Todd Bowles
Leslie Frazier
Steve Spagnuolo

I don't add in Ron Rivera, John Harbaugh or Sean McDermott because I fully expect them to retain their jobs with their respective teams.

I want him to get someone who not only has a record of improving players with their coaching, but is also intelligent where the "X's and O's" are concerned come game day. The guy I'm very intrigued about though is Kris Richard. He was with the "Legion of boom" in Seattle and now he's part of the staff with Dallas. Good things seem to happen when that man is involved.

[ILChief]

The one thing I wonder about is Is Reid prepared to bring in someone he hasn't had a previous relationship with? He did it at Philly by all accounts as he hired Jim Johnson and gave him full power over the defense which helped him reach five NFC championship games.

But anyway, If Andy is inclined to stick with guys he's worked with before, then this is pretty much the list.

Todd Bowles
Leslie Frazier
Steve Spagnuolo

I don't add in Ron Rivera, John Harbaugh or Sean McDermott because I fully expect them to retain their jobs with their respective teams.

I want him to get someone who not only has a record of improving players with their coaching, but is also intelligent where the "X's and O's" are concerned come game day. The guy I'm very intrigued about though is Kris Richard. He was with the "Legion of boom" in Seattle and now he's part of the staff with Dallas. Good things seem to happen when that man is involved.

Richard is in Dallas. Not available

[rabblerouser]

Richard is in Dallas. Not available
But not as DC.

He would most certainly be interested in a raise to DC on a team like KC, who is realistically a player or two away from a change to the 4-3 anyway...

[Chiefs Moon]

I think Reid will fire Sutton for this reason: Reid wants a Super Bowl and knows Mahomes gives him a window. I think we will see Sutton "retire" because Reid will not let this stand in his way. Also, I think Veach will weigh in to move on. It's more difficult to evaluate talent/Veach when the entire defensive staff sucks so bad no one wants to hire them away. It's clear. Sutton and his staff stand in the way of a Mahomes era. Oh, and Clark Hunt will make his opinion known, too. Hunt/Reid/Mahomes can generate billions of dollars. Sutton won't be allowed to screw that up.

[rabblerouser]

Almost wish they'd change to a 43 and draft some hybrid LB's that can fly, because that's what the league is changing to. Dunno how current personnel would fit.

Our personnel seems to be headed that way already :

Breeland Speaks is a classic 4-3 end, Jones and Nadi would be a KILLER NT/UT combo, and Bailey can probably be more effective as a 4-3 end...

Houston and Ford outside, Hitchens will be better able to maximize his talents with the 4 man...

We have personnel that is best suited for the 4-3 NOW.

Change of coordinator and a player or two in the secondary, this defense could dominate.

[rabblerouser]

I think Reid will fire Sutton for this reason: Reid wants a Super Bowl and knows Mahomes gives him a window. I think we will see Sutton "retire" because Reid will not let this stand in his way. Also, I think Veach will weigh in to move on. It's more difficult to evaluate talent/Veach when the entire defensive staff sucks so bad no one wants to hire them away. It's clear. Sutton and his staff stand in the way of a Mahomes era. Oh, and Clark Hunt will make his opinion known, too. Hunt/Reid/Mahomes can generate billions of dollars. Sutton won't be allowed to screw that up.

They already DO generate billions of dollars.

Lots of supposition in your post.

[gold_and_red]

Our personnel seems to be headed that way already :

Breeland Speaks is a classic 4-3 end, Jones and Nadi would be a KILLER NT/UT combo, and Bailey can probably be more effective as a 4-3 end...

Houston and Ford outside, Hitchens will be better able to maximize his talents with the 4 man...

We have personnel that is best suited for the 4-3 NOW.

Change of coordinator and a player or two in the secondary, this defense could dominate.

Not sure of Ford in a 4-3.

[kcpasco]

Someone who can communicate with his DB’s on who to guard would be nice.

[UChieffyBugger]

Richard is in Dallas. Not available

He's not their defensive coordinator though, Rod Marinelli is.

It's also interesting to note the ages and experiences of some of the best DC's around right now.

Rod Marinelli= 69 and a former head coach.

Wade Phillips= 71 and a former head coach

Don Martindale= 55

Vic Fangio= 60

Todd Wash= 50

Gus Bradley= 52 and a former head coach

Leslie Frazier= 59 and a former head coach

Etc etc. So the vast majority are veteran guys and most have head coaching experience. I must say, Rex Ryan would probably fit the profile hands down tbh :D

[ILChief]

Our personnel seems to be headed that way already :

Breeland Speaks is a classic 4-3 end, Jones and Nadi would be a KILLER NT/UT combo, and Bailey can probably be more effective as a 4-3 end...

Houston and Ford outside, Hitchens will be better able to maximize his talents with the 4 man...

We have personnel that is best suited for the 4-3 NOW.

Change of coordinator and a player or two in the secondary, this defense could dominate.

I'm fine with that. Ragland is the only player I can think of that would not work with a 4-3 and he's been awful and we can cut him with no penalty

[chiefzilla1501]

He's not their defensive coordinator though, Rod Marinelli is.

It's also interesting to note the ages and experiences of some of the best DC's around right now.

Rod Marinelli= 69 and a former head coach.

Wade Phillips= 71 and a former head coach

Don Martindale= 55

Vic Fangio= 60

Todd Wash= 50

Gus Bradley= 52 and a former head coach

Leslie Frazier= 59 and a former head coach

Etc etc. So the vast majority are veteran guys and most have head coaching experience. I must say, Rex Ryan would probably fit the profile hands down tbh :D

Can't see it happening. The Chiefs are actively moving away from the scheme Ryan built. Mario Williams was furious about being asked to play 5 technique. We seem more interested in our guys playing 1 gap. I'll pass on Rex. His scheme has to be outstanding to be worth the headache.

[rabblerouser]

Not sure of Ford in a 4-3.

I wasn't sure of Ford in a 3-4 until this year.

[rabblerouser]

Can't see it happening. The Chiefs are actively moving away from the scheme Ryan built. Mario Williams was furious about being asked to play 5 technique. We seem more interested in our guys playing 1 gap. I'll pass on Rex. His scheme has to be outstanding to be worth the headache.

Rex Ryan plays the 1gap 3-4, same as Bob Sutton.

[ILChief]

Rex Ryan plays the 1gap 3-4, same as Bob Sutton.

Ewww


I doubt Ryan leaves ESPN anyway

[CaliforniaChief]

Ewww


I doubt Ryan leaves ESPN anyway

Agree. He's got his foot in the door over there now and probably doesn't want to step on their toes.

[chiefzilla1501]

Rex Ryan plays the 1gap 3-4, same as Bob Sutton.

Ryan ran a scheme with two 5 techniques and a 0 technique. Dorsey has talked about how year 2, Sutton adjusted his scheme to get more speed on the DL(signed Vance walker). Suttons original scheme wasn't one gap. Remember... Mike Devito.

Read up on Mario Williams complaints about how he was used in Buffalo. Definitely two gap.

[oldman]

As much as I like the 3-4 (more LBs, more better), I think we have to go with a 4-3. I agree with both Rabblerouser and IL that it wouldn't be that hard to switch. I haven't watched enough of other teams to make a wise choice on who would be a good DC, but then again, a bag of rocks is better than Sutton. I'm tired of seeing a 5 yard run up the middle as a victory for the D.

[Imon Yourside]

Someone lacking the first name Bob and absent of the last name Sutton. What do i win?

[chiefzilla1501]

As much as I like the 3-4 (more LBs, more better), I think we have to go with a 4-3. I agree with both Rabblerouser and IL that it wouldn't be that hard to switch. I haven't watched enough of other teams to make a wise choice on who would be a good DC, but then again, a bag of rocks is better than Sutton. I'm tired of seeing a 5 yard run up the middle as a victory for the D.

That's what's intriguing about Fangio's scheme. He runs a 4-3 under with 3-4 personnel. Our players are a nice fit. Nnadi at the 0-tech, Jones as a 3-tech, Bailey as a 5-tech. Not sure about Hitchens, but O'Daniel is a perfect fit at LB. Best of all, it revolves around OLBs which happens to be our strength.

If I'm reading into Reid's comments this offseason, he doesn't want a 4-3 because he likes speed at OLB. This is a scheme that allows Reid to still keep that without... y'know... settling for Bob Sutton.

[ThaVirus]

That's what's intriguing about Fangio's scheme. He runs a 4-3 under with 3-4 personnel. Our players are a nice fit. Nnadi at the 0-tech, Jones as a 3-tech, Bailey as a 5-tech. Not sure about Hitchens, but O'Daniel is a perfect fit at LB. Best of all, it revolves around OLBs which happens to be our strength.

If I'm reading into Reid's comments this offseason, he doesn't want a 4-3 because he likes speed at OLB. This is a scheme that allows Reid to still keep that without... y'know... settling for Bob Sutton.

4-3 OLBs are generally faster than 3-4 OLBs

[Mecca]

Uh yea if you were going for straight out speed you'd be in a 4-3 cause your OLB's can be smaller and faster since they don't take on OT's.

[chiefzilla1501]

4-3 OLBs are generally faster than 3-4 OLBs

I'm talking OLB vs. a 4-3 DE. He wants his outside linemen to have versatility.

[Mecca]

I'm talking OLB vs. a 4-3 DE. He wants his outside linemen to have versatility.

I'm not sure it makes sense to use that argument when he has DC that won't not play nickel 80% of the time even against heavy run teams with big personnel.

[chiefzilla1501]

I'm not sure it makes sense to use that argument when he has DC that won't not play nickel 80% of the time even against heavy run teams with big personnel.

I don't defend the defense. Just stating that Reid wants to stay in a 3-4. Unless he's sending smoke signals to protect his guy.

[Chiefshrink]

I don't really love it....
McDermott's D will frustrate the living hell out of us. It's unaggressive zone D which I don't trust to be consistently great for us.

I wanted Mike Zimmer's "Jimmy Johnson" scheme, which makes Rivera a nice fit... but I don't think that has looked so hot with this year's new offense-friendly rules.

The scheme that's killing it right now is the Under scheme. And Fangio runs it out of a 3-4. We need to be running that scheme yesterday.

We need talent and right now we are very limited. Depending on who is on AR's radar they will want certain type players and will that go over with AR and BV and that will be the deciding factor on who they choose IMHO. McDermott makes sense as far as a relational perspective BUT......

[dannybcaitlyn]

Too bad Greg Williams wouldn’t be a candidate. Love the defensive aggressiveness to close the game.

[GloucesterChief]

Andy doesn't fire people when he ought to well should. It is one of his weaknesses as a coach.

[Titty Meat]

Locksley from Alabama

[cabletech94]

we will have sutton as long as we have andy.



the end.

[oldman]

I'm hoping that's not the case. Seriously, there comes a time when loyalty to your staff becomes secondary to what's best for the team. If we have another meltdown, surely Andy will see that. I think BS will "retire" after that, Andy will give an emotional speech and Clark will thank him for his service.

[gold_and_red]

I'm hoping that's not the case. Seriously, there comes a time when loyalty to your staff becomes secondary to what's best for the team. If we have another meltdown, surely Andy will see that. I think BS will "retire" after that, Andy will give an emotional speech and Clark will thank him for his service.

Yeah I can see this happening. Credibility and accountability are important especially for this management that has yet to reach the AFCCG, they have zero benefit of doubt.

[Chris Meck]

Ben Bloom, Cowboys LB coach. It's time to get some youth and innovation in over on that side of the ball; old guys are rarely innovators. Let's get some new blood in there.

[Chris Meck]

Not sure of Ford in a 4-3.

I think you'd have to let Ford walk. He's a good player, but I'm not opposed to it. He's one dimensional and often injured.

[CupidStunt]

I would literally offer triple whatever a guy like Fangio or Martindale makes to bring him in. Give him the DC-asst HC title. Sell him on a 2-year window of dominating the AFC and then getting a blank check for a HC job in whatever city he wants in 2021.

[Chris Meck]

I would literally offer triple whatever a guy like Fangio or Martindale makes to bring him in. Give him the DC-asst HC title. Sell him on a 2-year window of dominating the AFC and then getting a blank check for a HC job in whatever city he wants in 2021.

why would either guy leave the situation they're in to do that?

[SAUTO]

Mo? Who are you referring to?

Mohillbilly.

[Frazod]

Andy doesn't fire people when he ought to well should. It is one of his weaknesses as a coach.

We were at that point last year. I honestly don't see a scenario where he doesn't get whacked, especially if we go one-and-out in the playoffs as most of think we will.

[CupidStunt]

why would either guy leave the situation they're in to do that?

Would you turn down a 3x pay-rise to do the same job elsewhere?

[Frazod]

Locksley from Alabama

Is Alabama's defense great because of coaching, or because they get the absolute top pick of the best recruits year after year after year?

I'd rather have somebody who's done more with less, not a who wins all the time because he has far more to work with than all of his opponents.

[rabblerouser]

1. Brandon Staley
2. Kris Richards
3. Ben Bloom
4. Todd Bowles

That's who I bring in to interview for DC next year.

[rabblerouser]

Ryan ran a scheme with two 5 techniques and a 0 technique. Dorsey has talked about how year 2, Sutton adjusted his scheme to get more speed on the DL(signed Vance walker). Suttons original scheme wasn't one gap. Remember... Mike Devito.

Read up on Mario Williams complaints about how he was used in Buffalo. Definitely two gap.
Well, Bob Sutton was RR's DC in NY, so maybe Bob ran the 2gap under Ryan - either way, there's 2 things wrong with either one - both Ryan and Sutton depend on aggressive secondary play - the rules don't favor that now, and it's not like we have an 'in his prime Revis Island' to cut the field in half, neither, which allows all kinds of creative zone and man coverages and blitzes from all over the defense.

The real problem, besides Scandricks stupidity, is that Nelson, Fuller , and Scandrick are all slot corners. Fuller might be the best slot corner in the league. A waste of his talent to as him to cover outside, which may be why Sutton has been having Nelson cover outside so much lately. He should have Lucas playing 1 high and also rolling safety coverage to the outside to help the outside corner and allow Fuller to stay on the slot fulltime, where he excels.

*sigh*

It's Sutton, Emmitt Thomas, and Scandrick.

I should be Defense QC coach.

[rabblerouser]

we will have sutton as long as we have andy.



the end.

Sutton has to be close to retiring, and the picks in this year's draft point to preparing for a 4-3 next year...

[Chris Meck]

Uh yea if you were going for straight out speed you'd be in a 4-3 cause your OLB's can be smaller and faster since they don't take on OT's.

With Hitchens under a (very large) contract and O'Daniel flashing (with admitted rookie mistakes, but at least doesn't look physically overmatched, is a good tackler and sideline to sideline pursuit speed) You're one LB away from a nice trio.

Kpass and Speaks are sized like 4-3 DE. Ford, Nnadi, Williams at DT. Houston at DE on passing downs could save him some time on the injured list. I like the rotational aspect and maybe have guys fresh for those 4th quarter stands.

Can you imagine: 3rd and Long, Houston and Ford lined up next to each other weakside. Good luck.

[UChieffyBugger]

Interesting to see some past quotes from Todd Bowles about Andy

Andy taught me a lot. In that year, the one year where he had adversity, being that somebody passed in his family and dealing with everything he dealt with, and to go through a team like that. For him to be the same guy every day really taught you a lot about the other side of coaching and how you have to carry yourself, whether you play good or play bad. From that aspect, I probably learned more from a human aspect about coaching than I did anywhere I’ve been.
Link (https://www.ganggreennation.com/2016/9/22/13013744/todd-bowles-andy-reid-influenced-me-a-lot)

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/bowles2.jpg

Go on Andy, bring your pal to the Chiefs :D

[UChieffyBugger]

Also, where does Steve Wilks fit on the list IF he is available? Would he be a clear-cut top contender?

[Dante84]

Felt like this was an appropriate bump.

[FloridaMan88]

John Fox has been rumored to be a DC candidate for the Bengals, so maybe he wants to return to the NFL as a DC.

Fox and Andy Reid are good friends and it would be the perfectly boring/safe hire that Andy Reid is probably looking for.

[Hoover]

Adam Zimmer

[bowener]

Interesting to see some past quotes from Todd Bowles about Andy


Link (https://www.ganggreennation.com/2016/9/22/13013744/todd-bowles-andy-reid-influenced-me-a-lot)

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/bowles2.jpg

Go on Andy, bring your pal to the Chiefs :D

Shit. I googled Todd and Chiefs and there are opinion pieces going back over a month calling him as our next DC.

Random video link here (https://arrowheadaddict.com/2018/12/30/todd-bowles-available-hire-offseason-chiefs-andy-reid-bob-sutton/)

[Jerm]

1. Brent Venables
2. Kris Richard
3. Rex Ryan

[FloridaMan88]

My concern about Brett Venables is the fact he's never coached in the NFL.

[The Franchise]

Kris Richard is #1 on my list.

[bowener]

1A. Tony Romo clearly a brilliant mind and a man to respect
1B. Brett Brent Venables "local" guy
2. Kris Richard helped mold the legion of Boom
3. Rex Ryan No
4. Todd Bowles likes Andy, safe hire, good DC option
5. Marvin Lewis Andy wanted him long ago, safe hire as DC, will leave in a year or two


I'm pulling for the dark horse Tony Romo hard.

[kcpasco]

If we are gonna just randomly name former players with no coaching expierence how about 5 head. He can read defenses in his sleep and could double as a qb coach.

Peyton for DC OC HC GM and Owner.

[Red Dawg]

Whoever it is needs to be a proven commodity. Andy concentrates on offense. He can't help a DC. Get some damn experience that can game plan.

[In58men]

Andy doesn't fire people when he ought to well should. It is one of his weaknesses as a coach.

Wrong

[In58men]

we will have sutton as long as we have andy.







the end.



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[Wilson8]

Very long, but excellent read on Brent Venables' defense -

https://rileykolstefootball.com/2018/05/26/clemsons-brent-venables-base-defense/

An intriguing part of Venables base defense is that it is simultaneously complex yet straightforward. (I use the term base defense here to mean non- blitz calls.) He runs essentially five main split safety and nine main single-high play calls (and four of the single-high calls are essentially the same). So at first glance, Venables defense is relatively simple. But each individual play call is intricate and complex, particularly his split safety run fits. Venables schematic philosophy might be best summarized as, “depth over width.”

For football defense junkies, please go to link and read and see what you think.

[Iczer]

Very long, but excellent read on Brent Venables' defense -

https://rileykolstefootball.com/2018/05/26/clemsons-brent-venables-base-defense/



For football defense junkies, please go to link and read and see what you think.

He's a Kansas guy, didn't realize that. Could he be a Chiefs fan growing up?

this stood out to me..

Venables is a man firmly committed to stopping the run, and isn’t afraid put his guys in one-on-one coverage to do it.

[T-post Tom]

Here's one from left field: Time to bring Adam Zimmer back? Maybe too much history with the Chiefs? If he was willing, he'd bring lots of post season experience with him. Was in KC 2010-2012. Been Vikings' LB coach for 5 years. The Viking defense has been STELLAR. Top 5 in last 3 years. Top 15 for 5 years.


Adam Zimmer (born January 13, 1984) is an American football coach who is the linebackers coach for the Minnesota Vikings of the National Football League (NFL). He has been an assistant defensive backs coach for the Cincinnati Bengals and assistant linebackers' coach for the Kansas City Chiefs and New Orleans Saints. Zimmer is the son of current Minnesota Vikings head coach Mike Zimmer.

New Orleans Saints

Zimmer landed his first coaching job with the New Orleans Saints as an assistant linebackers' coach in 2006. During his first season in the NFL, the Saints won the NFC South Division Title and made it to the NFC Championship game. In the 2009 season, Zimmer's final season in New Orleans, the Saints went on to win Super Bowl XLIV.

Kansas City Chiefs

Zimmer became the Chiefs' assistant linebackers coach in the 2010 season. In his first season, he helped the Chiefs allow 46.2 fewer rushing yards per game compared to the year before.

In the 2011 season, linebackers Tamba Hali and Derrick Johnson were selected to the Pro Bowl.

During the 2012 season, linebacker Jovan Belcher fatally shot his girlfriend then drove to the Chiefs' facility where he committed suicide in front of head coach Romeo Crennel. Adam Zimmer was strongly affected by this, especially after he had recently lost his mother of natural causes in 2009. Zimmer was let go when Kansas City fired Crennel after the 2012 season.

Cincinnati Bengals

For the 2013 season, Zimmer joined the Bengals alongside his father Mike Zimmer as an assistant defensive backs coach while his dad was the defensive coordinator.

Minnesota Vikings

When Mike Zimmer became the 9th head coach of the Minnesota Vikings for the 2014 season, Adam Zimmer was brought in to be the linebackers' coach. The Vikings won the NFC North Division Title in the 2015 season, allowing only 18.9 points per game on defense, ranked 5th-best in the NFL. Linebacker Anthony Barr was selected to the 2016 Pro Bowl as a replacement for Jamie Collins.

[RollChiefsRoll]

Venables would be lovely, but he just got a big raise at Clemson and his kid goes there, so I'm sure it would be tough to convince him to leave.

[BryanBusby]

Venables isn't abandoning his family at Clemson, has unlimited job security (look at all the HC jobs he declined) and is getting paid very well to be a DC there.

He's never leaving for the NFL.

[chiefzilla1501]

I don't want a retread especially if they refuse to change the system. Part of the thing that makes me really nervous about Rex Ryan.

I wish Andy Reid would take a page out of his playbook. Hire some inexperienced young gun who's a bright defensive mind with a unique angle to defense. Hire Steve Spagnuolo as a special assistant or co-coordinator - give him a Childress role of researching the hell out of NFL, college, high school defenses while also mentoring the new DC on a leadership side. That's how Reid became the most innovative offensive mind in today's game. Why the hell wouldn't he do the same for our defense?

[chiefzilla1501]

Whoever it is needs to be a proven commodity. Andy concentrates on offense. He can't help a DC. Get some damn experience that can game plan.

I'd settle for average over this disaster.

But at this stage after the hiring swarm, that basically means hire someone else's leftovers. If we want a truly great defense, good chance we need to take a risk.

[Aspengc8]

Very long, but excellent read on Brent Venables' defense -

https://rileykolstefootball.com/2018/05/26/clemsons-brent-venables-base-defense/



For football defense junkies, please go to link and read and see what you think.

requires lots of man coverage, similar to what sutton runs. Ironically, New England ran the same 1 high man scheme the entire first half, rolling the one high towards hill. KC's receivers were no physical enough off the line. They rushed 4, used Van Noy as a robber/spy, and green dogged whomever was on the running back. Nothing crazy.

[FloridaMan88]

Kris Richard has to be the #1 choice... this article says it all:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2815769-kris-richard-will-bring-the-boom-when-he-finally-gets-a-head-coaching-shot

Architect of the Legion of Boom. Driving force behind the resurgent 2018 Cowboys.

[Beef Supreme]

Needs to be somebody using a Dean Pees type system. The Seattle scheme was figured out years ago, and the Rex Ryan type scheme is the same thing we've been using.

[tyton75]

I would actually be fine with keeping our current system if it was deployed properly and the attitude was more aggressive. Stop the "bend but don't break" and go balls out and attack and if they beat you over the top.. then we Mahomes to get another score for us.

[smithandrew051]

What about stealing Todd Wash away from Jacksonville? You’d have to think he’d love to get away from that dumpster fire.

[BleedingRed]

Kris Richard has to be the #1 choice... this article says it all:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2815769-kris-richard-will-bring-the-boom-when-he-finally-gets-a-head-coaching-shot

Yeah problem is we do not have the Cowboys players.... Not only no, but fuck no.

Let me know when we have Cowboys level defensive players.....

[chiefzilla1501]

Needs to be somebody using a Dean Pees type system. The Seattle scheme was figured out years ago, and the Rex Ryan type scheme is the same thing we've been using.

I think there's still legs to the Under scheme. You could take that scheme and borrow what Chicago did to turn it into more of a 3-4 look.

[BryanBusby]

0% chance the Cowboys let Richard take a job somewhere else

[BleedingRed]

If I see one more of you post "Scheme was figured out" I swear to god.

For the last fucking time, SCHEME had nothing to do with it. NOT ADJUSTING DID

[staylor26]

I don’t like the lack of options I’ll tell you that much.

[BleedingRed]

I don’t like the lack of options I’ll tell you that much.

Hence why Rex Ryan is the most logical fit.

[staylor26]

Hence why Rex Ryan is the most logical fit.

Yea I think it’s Ryan or Spags

[BryanBusby]

I think Rex Ryan would be ok, because I don't think he would stay long but would at least sort out the cluster fuck that werthers left. He would use that DC gig to springboard some stupid team into giving him a 3rd chance at HC.

I really like the work that Chris Hewitt has done with the Ravens secondary. That's somebody I would be talking to.

[FloridaMan88]

Hence why Rex Ryan is the most logical fit.

The same Rex Ryan who inherited a Buffalo defense ranked 2nd in overall DVOA and ended up ranked 24th in overall DVOA when he was fired three years later?

[keg in kc]

A successful college DC from a major program under 50 years of age, preferably with prior experience in the NFL. Who that is, specifically, I don't need know.

NOT one of Andy's NFL buddies. Not someone over 60.

Someone who can scheme how to stop an offense like ours...

[BleedingRed]

The same Rex Ryan who inherited a Buffalo defense ranked 2nd in overall DVOA and ended up ranked 24th in overall DVOA when he was fired three years later?

Hey I agree,

taking a 4-3 and trying to shove it into a 3-4 was a dumb idea.

But again, even after he fucked it up they still STILL were 24th........ I'll take that shit to the super bowl with this offense.

[BryanBusby]

The same Rex Ryan who inherited a Buffalo defense ranked 2nd in overall DVOA and ended up ranked 24th in overall DVOA when he was fired three years later?
That's an argument for not hiring him to be your Head Coach, or to hire a guy that's going to mess with something that was already working perfectly fine for you.

[The Franchise]

Yea I think it’s Ryan or Spags

Both of them have beat the Pats.....so I guess there's that.

[BleedingRed]

Both of them have beat the Pats.....so I guess there's that.

One did it with Mark Sanchez and so so pass rush.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Someone who loves the 4-3 with ALL OF THEIR HEART.

[DRM08]

I just want an aggressive defense. Sucks to watch the other team go 8 minute drive to start the game. Shit or get off the pot. Force a turnover/sack or give up a quick TD. At least the other team isn’t hogging the ball.

Other thing is an aggressive defense would be good practice for the KC offense. Ravens and Patriots showed a good blueprint on slowing down the Chiefs offense. More practice against ultra aggressive schemes can only help the KC offense.

[1969Chief]

Guys, Venables is not leaving Clemson. He had no interest in returning to his alma mater, KSU, when Bill Snyder retired. He has a son on Clemson's team and another son in high school who will likely also sign with Clemson. So, just go ahead and cross Venables off the list for Chiefs DC.

[Jimmya]

Dick Lebeau

[T-post Tom]

Dick Lebeau

He's old enough to be Sutton's daddy. You sure you want an 81 yr old DC?

[TimeForWasp]

They probably already have their guy in mind. I am sure Andy had a plan when he fired Sutton.

[BigRedChief]

Venables isn't abandoning his family at Clemson, has unlimited job security (look at all the HC jobs he declined) and is getting paid very well to be a DC there.

He's never leaving for the NFL.so Clemson can pay more to him than the NFL’s Chiefs? Not buying that. The NFL Is a $24 BILLION operation. How much does Clemson do?

[BigRedChief]

Reid likes to work with “his” coaches. Who has worked with him before besides Spags?

[BigRedChief]

They probably already have their guy in mind. I am sure Andy had a plan when he fired Sutton.Probably.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

They probably already have their guy in mind. I am sure Andy had a plan when he fired Sutton.

I don't think Andy planned to fire Sutton, I think Clark finally forced his hand.

In any event, if the rumors were true about Bob's "retirement plan", then the Chiefs would have been secretly hunting and making calls as soon as 4 weeks ago as a sort of "contingency plan" if and when the Chiefs lost the AFCCG.

They couldn't actively hold interviews for the position, as that is a bad look for any prospects they might have been interested in, but you can absolutely go under the radar, make some calls, explain the situation, and agree to meet should the outcome of the AFCCG go south.

I'd love to see them announce one of the hot property college coaches with a defensive pedigree, but I'm almost certain were going to be looking at Mike Smith unless Andy and Veach put something in to motion going all the way back to the beginning of the season. And by that I mean, they gave Sutton the reprieve under the condition that things had to improve with the understanding that if they did not, that Veach and Reid were going to have someone picked out well before the season ended, and recruited from outside the organization.

We'll see. I'm glad Sutton's gone, but I want a scheme change as well.

[bricks]

Are we getting a new defensive coordinator? That should be the question.

Yes we are!!! Best news I’ve heard all day. With that being said, gimme Spags!

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

There was a coach in my HS named Brent Venables. He was a basketball guy though.

[jaa1025]

People should get off the Venables dreams. He's not leaving Clemson while his son is going there.

[Chiefs4TheWin]

Im partial to the 3-4, but anyone that can get them to tackle beats out my scheme favoritism.

[FAX]

Does Wally have any history with Don Brown? How about Mel Tucker?

FAX