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Mecca
12-23-2018, 10:58 PM
Seriously had enough.

You've been a GM for roughly a year and a half and honestly you kinda suck so far.

You traded for Ragland...he sucks.
You give Hitchens a ton of money, he sucks really bad.
You spent a whole draft on a bunch of guys who have made the defense worse than it was when you took the job...

Sammy Watkins has been fine when he plays but still the same issues he's always had...

So lets be real, so far when Watkins is your best move since taking the job that is terrible.

And seriously fuck you for thinking that secondary was so good you didn't have to spend 1 pick on it till the 4th round then telling us you were fixing the run D. Yea you should did that..

So far you fucking suck at your job, a retard with a pellet gun could have basically gotten the same result as what you've done since taking over.

Three7s
12-23-2018, 11:01 PM
This is the kind of fraud of a GM that will stay employed for far longer than he should because Mahomes.

Mecca
12-23-2018, 11:03 PM
This is man that thought we could go into a season with David Amerson as a starting CB...he admitted that fuck up and replaced it with another fuckup.

Like anybody that watches this team knew they needed secondary help and apparently he doesn't?

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-23-2018, 11:05 PM
Oh, Veach is absolutely awful, but he's a symptom of the disease that is Andy Reid's desire to have complete control over personnel and coaching. It's what ended his tenure in Philly and he didn't learn from that mistake.

Flying High D
12-23-2018, 11:07 PM
WR’s vs. DB’s, he looked at that comparison and decided that one of them neeed a high dollar splashy free agent signing. And don’t forget this was after he traded the best DB.

Mecca
12-23-2018, 11:07 PM
Yea and Reid seems to think he can't fire anyone ever.

New World Order
12-23-2018, 11:08 PM
Hitchens makes me want to vomit

And that was our big FA defensive signing.

NJChiefsFan
12-23-2018, 11:08 PM
The Speaks pick considering Houston/Ford/KPass is hard to fathom. Even a DB with Speaks type upside would be like a pot of gold for us right now.

gold_and_red
12-23-2018, 11:09 PM
Hitchens makes me want to vomit

And that was our big FA defensive signing.

Didn't he look good in Dallas?

prhom
12-23-2018, 11:09 PM
I’m on board with the anti-Veach bandwagon. I’ve been skeptical since it became clear we spent an entire draft on defensive players who can’t play and keeping a defensive coordinator who is constantly outclassed. I don’t trust him to lead the rebuilding that this team is gonna need after losing the next two games.

TomBarndtsTwin
12-23-2018, 11:10 PM
Veach and his ‘pounding the table’ helped get us Mahomes. For that, I will always be grateful.

With that said, GTFO. Time to let one of the real football guys handle the GM job. You have no fucking idea what you’re doing. You’re in over your head. Your decisions since you became the GM suck. You’re wasting the rookie contract of the guy you wanted so bad while he’s playing at an elite level. You can fuck right off for that.

Don’t let the door hit you . . . . .

Spott
12-23-2018, 11:11 PM
Firing Dorsey was a huge mistake.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-23-2018, 11:11 PM
Veach and his ‘pounding the table’ helped get us Mahomes. For that, I will always be grateful..

Do you know that is anything other than a myth?

gold_and_red
12-23-2018, 11:12 PM
Firing Dorsey was a huge mistake.

It was either him or Reid.

prhom
12-23-2018, 11:12 PM
Firing Dorsey was a huge mistake.

As a number of people here said at the time and were ridiculed.

prhom
12-23-2018, 11:13 PM
It was either him or Reid.

We chose poorly

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-23-2018, 11:15 PM
It's not like Dorsey was some kind of genius, either. He just took big risks on character guys and some worked out and others fucked him.

And let's not act like the Chiefs knew something no one else knew about Mahomes. If they thought he was half as good as he has been, they'd have been trying to move up to #1 overall. They deserve credit for drafting him because they took a chance, but he ended up at the absolute 100th percentile of his draft projection.

Mecca
12-23-2018, 11:15 PM
As a number of people here said at the time and were ridiculed.

Ironic we had our worst draft in 6 years after he was fired.

Mecca
12-23-2018, 11:16 PM
It's not like Dorsey was some kind of genius, either. He just took big risks on character guys and some worked out and others fucked him.

And let's not act like the Chiefs knew something no one else knew about Mahomes. If they thought he was half as good as he has been, they'd have been trying to move up to #1 overall. They deserve credit for drafting him because they took a chance, but he ended up at the absolute 100th percentile of his draft projection.

Better than trading up for fat ass OLB's who can't do shit.

-King-
12-23-2018, 11:16 PM
Do you know that is anything other than a myth?
Even if it's true, all that shows is that he's maybe a good scout. He might be Peter principled at GM.

chiefzilla1501
12-23-2018, 11:16 PM
Firing Dorsey was a huge mistake.

The browns drafted ward, baker Mayfield, Callaway, chubb. Yeah they had the #1 pick. But they crushed this draft. All wildly successful.

O.city
12-23-2018, 11:18 PM
They’re playing young guys with the 1 seed on the line in the secondary in week 16

That says how bad they suck.

It’s the same shit as last year and if you said it should all be blown up I wouldn’t be upset

carcosa
12-23-2018, 11:19 PM
Yeah he seems bad

Spott
12-23-2018, 11:19 PM
It was either him or Reid.

As a number of people here said at the time and were ridiculed.

We chose poorly

Could have had Dorsey and either Nagy or Pederson coaching this team. Hell, we probably could have still had Foles backing up Mahomes and Smith.

O.city
12-23-2018, 11:19 PM
The browns drafted ward, baker Mayfield, Callaway, chubb. Yeah they had the #1 pick. But they crushed this draft. All wildly successful.

3 of those players were picked on the top 33 picks in the draft. No shit it’s easier to draft them at those spots

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-23-2018, 11:19 PM
Even if it's true, all that shows is that he's maybe a good scout. He might be Peter principled at GM.

I agree, and people quickly forget some of Dorsey's awful contract decisions.

BlackOp
12-23-2018, 11:20 PM
Veach made it his #1 priority in the off-season to improve the defense...and they got dramatically worse.

Dorsey took over a 0-16 team...and completely turned them around in one year.

O.city
12-23-2018, 11:20 PM
Veach made awful contracts too

Almost like it’s actually Andy’s decisions on who to sign

chiefzilla1501
12-23-2018, 11:21 PM
Whoever said Sutton needs to stay one year needs to be fired. If it's Reid you keep him and strip away all executive decisions.

I think Sutton told veach the type of players to go after and veach got them. I can't imagine the moron that would entrust Sutton with that responsibility. I think he finished that game thinking we just lost to the oilers.

bevischief
12-23-2018, 11:22 PM
How can I apply and not know crap and make millions a year?

Mecca
12-23-2018, 11:23 PM
At least when Dorsey reached on a dude it was a big fast fuck that if he turned out he'd be special.

Veach drafts fat dudes that aren't athletic with high picks so even if they peak they are just solid.

Sassy Squatch
12-23-2018, 11:24 PM
Dorsey was dumb enough to keep Hue Jackson employed and fucked the season for the Browns by doing so.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-23-2018, 11:25 PM
Whoever said Sutton needs to stay one year needs to be fired. If it's Reid you keep him and strip away all executive decisions.

I think Sutton told veach the type of players to go after and veach got them. I can't imagine the moron that would entrust Sutton with that responsibility. I think he finished that game thinking we just lost to the oilers.

You think the GM takes marching orders from the DC of a bad defense?

Mecca
12-23-2018, 11:25 PM
Dorsey was dumb enough to keep Hue Jackson employed and fucked the season for the Browns by doing so.

They still won more games than they had in forever...they kept Jackson cause the owner liked him.

Point is though, the Chiefs are in the same spot they were when Veach took over...actually were worse because we have high dollar contracts recently given to scrubs.

Flying High D
12-23-2018, 11:25 PM
I agree, and people quickly forget some of Dorsey's awful contract decisions.

He didn’t want to do the BDB contract. So, BDB went behind his back to Chunt. Ask Chunt how that is working out? Like Chunt would have a fucking clue. Chunt is so out of touch with regular people. Spoiled brat little bastard.

Iowanian
12-23-2018, 11:26 PM
If Sutton is retained I'll climb on board the train....this offseason will tell a lot of the story about veach. He didn't have much cap to work with and that's on Dorsey.

He's going to have to cut some turd performances with big salaries, resign some important pieces and fix the secondary.

Sassy Squatch
12-23-2018, 11:27 PM
They still won more games than they had in forever...they kept Jackson cause the owner liked him.

Point is though, the Chiefs are in the same spot they were when Veach took over...actually were worse because we have high dollar contracts recently given to scrubs.
When have the Chiefs been in the drivers seat for the #1 seed? Did I miss a season?

Titty Meat
12-23-2018, 11:27 PM
It's not like Dorsey was some kind of genius, either. He just took big risks on character guys and some worked out and others ****ed him.

And let's not act like the Chiefs knew something no one else knew about Mahomes. If they thought he was half as good as he has been, they'd have been trying to move up to #1 overall. They deserve credit for drafting him because they took a chance, but he ended up at the absolute 100th percentile of his draft projection.

Bro he had arguably 8 pro bowl players on this roster and drafted the best QB ever.

Iowanian
12-23-2018, 11:28 PM
Firing Dorsey was a huge mistake.

The salary cap was a shit show...that's on Dorsey. Veach didn't have much cash to work with this offseason. He has t had a first round pick yet.



Think about this friends......you're melting down when the Chiefs are going into the playoffs with the division and the home field,advantage with a first year sytarting, franchise QB who is going to throw 50 ****ing touchdowns.

I don't think ANYONE expected the Chiefs to be this good this year. I expected next year to be like this.


Find your inner lumberjack, blow the sawdust out of your beard and relax.

Flying High D
12-23-2018, 11:28 PM
At least when Dorsey reached on a dude it was a big fast fuck that if he turned out he'd be special.

Veach drafts fat dudes that aren't athletic with high picks so even if they peak they are just solid.

The only solid we get from a Veach is up our ass.

Mecca
12-23-2018, 11:28 PM
When have the Chiefs been in the drivers seat for the #1 seed? Did I miss a season?

Player personnel wise we are not better, the young QB Dorsey drafted became a player.

Mecca
12-23-2018, 11:29 PM
The salary cap was a shit show...that's on Dorsey. Veach didn't have much cash to work with this offseason. He has t had a first round pick yet.

Whoa, he signed 2 of the highest dollar offseason contracts. How is that no money?

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-23-2018, 11:30 PM
He didn’t want to do the BDB contract. So, BDB went behind his back to Chunt. Ask Chunt how that is working out? Like Chunt would have a fucking clue. Chunt is so out of touch with regular people. Spoiled brat little bastard.

Link?

chiefzilla1501
12-23-2018, 11:30 PM
The salary cap was a shit show...that's on Dorsey. Veach didn't have much cash to work with this offseason. He has t had a first round pick yet.

He signed two guys with money we didn't have and one has been a collosal bust, the other injury prone guy... Got injured. All while the best we can say for our first season is that we drafted a good kick returner.

Sure-Oz
12-23-2018, 11:31 PM
Wonder if they'd consider hiring McKenzie

Iowanian
12-23-2018, 11:32 PM
Please continue with the pity party.

Mecca disappeared and want here when the Chiefs were sticking their cock opinion the rest of the league. He only shows up to act like a twat when things are down.

dirk digler
12-23-2018, 11:32 PM
Firing Dorsey was a huge mistake.

No it wasn't. The mistake was not firing Dorsey and letting Chris Ballard go.

Mecca
12-23-2018, 11:33 PM
Please continue with the pity party.

Mecca disappeared and want here when the Chiefs were sticking their cock opinion the rest of the league. He only shows up to act like a twat when things are down.

Been here all year....nice of you to spin an opinion though.

prhom
12-23-2018, 11:34 PM
Could have had Dorsey and either Nagy or Pederson coaching this team. Hell, we probably could have still had Foles backing up Mahomes and Smith.

This isn’t making me feel any better about the organization’s decisions.

bevischief
12-23-2018, 11:35 PM
How can I apply and not know crap and make millions a year?

Bob Sutton.

Titty Meat
12-23-2018, 11:40 PM
Please continue with the pity party.

Mecca disappeared and want here when the Chiefs were sticking their cock opinion the rest of the league. He only shows up to act like a twat when things are down.

I've went after him hard but to be fair hes been around here the most since 2009

Deberg_1990
01-12-2019, 09:30 PM
Seriously had enough.

You've been a GM for roughly a year and a half and honestly you kinda suck so far.

You traded for Ragland...he sucks.
You give Hitchens a ton of money, he sucks really bad.
You spent a whole draft on a bunch of guys who have made the defense worse than it was when you took the job...

Sammy Watkins has been fine when he plays but still the same issues he's always had...

So lets be real, so far when Watkins is your best move since taking the job that is terrible.

And seriously **** you for thinking that secondary was so good you didn't have to spend 1 pick on it till the 4th round then telling us you were fixing the run D. Yea you should did that..

So far you ****ing suck at your job, a retard with a pellet gun could have basically gotten the same result as what you've done since taking over.


Still feel the same?

pugsnotdrugs19
01-12-2019, 09:32 PM
Veach hasn’t been perfect, no GM is, but a lot of his moves are looking darn good right now for how they have shaped the depth of this football team...

Even Watkins and Hitchens turning it up at the right time, his two worst moves in the eyes of many...

Mecca
01-12-2019, 09:35 PM
To some degree I do, if Ward is a player then that was an outstanding move and hopefully he'll improve.

Hammock Parties
01-12-2019, 09:35 PM
The Erving move remains an absolute homerun.

We can piledrive people with him in the game.

RunKC
01-12-2019, 09:35 PM
We always strike gold in the 3rd rd. We did again this year. What a great fucking pick

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Derrick Nnadi just single-handedly blew up this <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Colts?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Colts</a> run. <br><br>The <a href="https://twitter.com/OceanLakesHS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@OceanLakesHS</a> alum and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> rookie making an impact in his playoff debut. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/The757?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#The757</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvsKC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvsKC</a> <a href="https://t.co/5OuIWxCmcW">https://t.co/5OuIWxCmcW</a> <a href="https://t.co/hPkGt0yqvz">pic.twitter.com/hPkGt0yqvz</a></p>&mdash; Mitch B. (@MitchBrownTV3) <a href="https://twitter.com/MitchBrownTV3/status/1084217215388446720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 12, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sassy Squatch
01-12-2019, 09:36 PM
That play was so fucking awesome

pugsnotdrugs19
01-12-2019, 09:38 PM
Yeah the effort from Nnadi was superb.

GoHuge
01-12-2019, 09:41 PM
Yeah the effort from Nnadi was superb.
Not to mention he hasn't jumped offsides on 3rd or 4th down giving the other team a 1st in almost a month now. Dude is coming on strong! :clap:

RaidersOftheCellar
01-13-2019, 04:35 AM
Yeah, let’s run the guy responsible for landing Mahomes out of town. Oh, he also found several good players in the scrap heap and has been on the job for a year.

Derp.

Chargem
01-13-2019, 04:39 AM
We always strike gold in the 3rd rd. We did again this year. What a great fucking pick

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Derrick Nnadi just single-handedly blew up this <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Colts?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Colts</a> run. <br><br>The <a href="https://twitter.com/OceanLakesHS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@OceanLakesHS</a> alum and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> rookie making an impact in his playoff debut. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/The757?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#The757</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/INDvsKC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#INDvsKC</a> <a href="https://t.co/5OuIWxCmcW">https://t.co/5OuIWxCmcW</a> <a href="https://t.co/hPkGt0yqvz">pic.twitter.com/hPkGt0yqvz</a></p>&mdash; Mitch B. (@MitchBrownTV3) <a href="https://twitter.com/MitchBrownTV3/status/1084217215388446720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 12, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It's amazing how quickly such a big guy is up off the floor making the 2nd attempt at the tackle.

Imon Yourside
01-13-2019, 04:57 AM
Veach upwards trending.

Sweet Daddy Hate
01-13-2019, 05:28 AM
I think we'll have a great draft this year. 2018 was an outlier based on giving up so much for Mahomes AND Veach having to come in to the new job and get things set up the way he wanted them. He's had a full season plus to get it together, send his crew out, and start putting his board together.

We'll see.

Titty Meat
01-13-2019, 08:23 AM
Fickle CP LMAO

This whole board wanted to Fyre Sutton too!

staylor26
01-13-2019, 08:27 AM
Fickle CP LMAO

This whole board wanted to Fyre Sutton too!

You’ve been saying Veach sucks going back to last year

Sweet Daddy Hate
01-13-2019, 08:29 AM
Fickle CP LMAO

This whole board wanted to Fyre Sutton too!

Still does if it has any brains. Or do you believe this sudden turnaround was Bob's doing after it has already been established that he's had his knees lopped off?

No, Billay-boy, it's time for Buttons to retire with dignity.

Sassy Squatch
01-13-2019, 08:31 AM
Fickle CP LMAO

This whole board wanted to Fyre Sutton too!
Don't worry. I still want Sutton fired. Maybe even more after yesterday but not going to blast the board with it.

staylor26
01-13-2019, 08:38 AM
Don't worry. I still want Sutton fired. Maybe even more after yesterday but not going to blast the board with it.

Lol wut?

Sweet Daddy Hate
01-13-2019, 08:39 AM
Don't worry. I still want Sutton fired. Maybe even more after yesterday but not going to blast the board with it.

https://camo.derpicdn.net/7713abf67c6242a334db1c1b91731a745b06d8e4?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FkwOlSoPCrahCE%2 Fgiphy.gif

Sassy Squatch
01-13-2019, 08:40 AM
Lol wut?
Mike Smith and Al Harris take a larger role and almost immediately the defense plays much better. Raises quite a few red flags. Not going to get too into it though, still enjoying the win.

staylor26
01-13-2019, 08:44 AM
Mike Smith and Al Harris take a larger role and almost immediately the defense plays much better. Raises quite a few red flags. Not going to get too into it though, still enjoying the win.

We have no idea whether or not that’s really the case, yet you’re saying it like it’s a fact.

Sassy Squatch
01-13-2019, 08:48 AM
We have no idea whether or not that’s really the case, yet you’re saying it like it’s a fact.
I find it much easier to believe than all of our struggling units like the ILBs and Ss just magically getting better all of a sudden. But this is a conversation for after the playoffs end, whenever that may be. Let's just enjoy the ride together.

Chargem
01-13-2019, 08:53 AM
Pretty sure Ward has already been mentioned in here as a great pick up for Veach it looks like, Lucas has also been decent although not quite good enough yet to call it a major score for Veach I think.

Speaks was out there getting snaps last night and I thought he looked decent, drove his blocker up into the quarterbacks face a couple of times and held his edge well against the run. I'm not calling him a hit in the draft yet but I wouldn't call him a bust either, I'm hopeful we see him take a step forward next season, either as a DE in a 4-3 scheme or dropping weight, or preferably both.

BigRedChief
01-13-2019, 09:03 AM
Veach got us Mahomes. He was the one making everyone watch tape, Demanding we pick this guy from TT. He was the man. Mahomes changed our team into a winner. Already ended curses. Playoff wins at home. I have no doubt we are going to win a Super Bowl sometime during the Mahomes era.


He can fuck up a lot more trades or picks. He has a lot of slack from me.

KChiefs1
10-13-2019, 04:42 PM
It’s time.

Chiefspants
10-13-2019, 04:46 PM
He can fuck up a lot more trades or picks. He has a lot of slack from me.

I NEED A STATUS UPDATE, BIG RED.

PAChiefsGuy
10-13-2019, 04:49 PM
Yeah, let’s run the guy responsible for landing Mahomes out of town. Oh, he also found several good players in the scrap heap and has been on the job for a year.

Derp.

One pick doesn't make someone a good GM. Good GMs build a good team from top to bottom. Veach hasn't done anything close to that. Frank Clark trade, Hitchens signing and bad draft picks. The guy sucks. Open your eyes would you?

TEX
10-13-2019, 05:47 PM
Yep. The roster is decaying on his watch. Time to go.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE!
10-13-2019, 05:53 PM
Honey Badger looked liked he was about to cry after the game. He said something that I found interesting. He basically said the guys are playing for themselves and until they play for each other this defense is what will keep happening. Basically said the DL plays for the DL and linebackers play for the LBs. They are selfish.

Tribal Warfare
10-13-2019, 05:57 PM
Veach got us Mahomes. He was the one making everyone watch tape, Demanding we pick this guy from TT. He was the man. Mahomes changed our team into a winner. Already ended curses. Playoff wins at home. I have no doubt we are going to win a Super Bowl sometime during the Mahomes era.


He can fuck up a lot more trades or picks. He has a lot of slack from me.

He struck gold with the most important position on the field.. So he'll get a free pass for the next 5-7 years among the general fanbase.

Tribal Warfare
10-13-2019, 05:59 PM
Honey Badger looked liked he was about to cry after the game. He said something that I found interesting. He basically said the guys are playing for themselves and until they play for each other this defense is what will keep happening. Basically said the DL plays for the DL and linebackers play for the LBs. They are selfish.

Calling out Chris Jones and Frank Clark with the usual suspects at LB

kcclone
10-13-2019, 06:15 PM
One pick doesn't make someone a good GM. Good GMs build a good team from top to bottom. Veach hasn't done anything close to that. Frank Clark trade, Hitchens signing and bad draft picks. The guy sucks. Open your eyes would you?


Agreed. He may have hit the lottery jackpot but that's different than the guy who is self made who builds a large company from the ground up. Both guys end up rich, but one was luck and the other was talent.

And it's totally possible that the story that was force fed to us from the media was a Chiefs/Veach PR campaign to endear him to fans.

As for Mahomes and his great relationship, that can change quickly if Mahomes realizes he won't be able to fix the roster.

The longer we waste trying to fix the D, and not re-load the OL, the more of Mahomes' career we waste.

-King-
10-13-2019, 06:28 PM
Veach is the only guy to get credit for drafting a player even though he was just a scout at the time.

Mecca
10-14-2019, 07:21 AM
So I went to the Chiefs website and looked at their list of transactions since he was hired....

It is very arguable the only position we are better at is WR from his moves, we're better at QB but he wasn't GM for that pick. Oh and kicker...

RB worse
TE similar
OL worse
DL worse at best the same
LB worse at best the same
secondary worse
K better
P ill call it the same even though colquitt is declining.

So in about 2 and a half years as a GM our team hasn't done much to get better.

chiefzilla1501
10-14-2019, 07:25 AM
So I went to the Chiefs website and looked at their list of transactions since he was hired....

It is very arguable the only position we are better at is WR from his moves, we're better at QB but he wasn't GM for that pick. Oh and kicker...

RB worse
TE similar
OL worse
DL worse at best the same
LB worse at best the same
secondary worse
K better
P ill call it the same even though colquitt is declining.

So in about 2 and a half years as a GM our team hasn't done much to get better.

I actually think we've done OK for the secondary. I like honey Badger and Thornhill. Fuller and ward and Claiborne aren't bad considering they're very low cost. But the rest of his moves have been bad with both trenches being terribad.

Mecca
10-14-2019, 07:26 AM
I actually think we've done OK for the secondary. I like honey Badger and Thornhill. Fuller and ward and Claiborne aren't bad considering they're very low cost. But the rest of his moves have been bad with both trenches being terribad.

Lets remember when he was hired, we had Marcus Peters coming off of a DROY type of year and Eric Berry was an all pro.

Red Dawg
10-14-2019, 07:39 AM
Andy calls the shots. Veach is a pawn and apparently not a good one. They have ruined our defense in a big way.

Andy should be on the hot seat but we all know he isn't.

The Franchise
10-14-2019, 07:40 AM
Lets remember when he was hired, we had Marcus Peters coming off of a DROY type of year and Eric Berry was an all pro.

And Eric Berry declining rapidly isn’t his fault.

Mecca
10-14-2019, 07:42 AM
And Eric Berry declining rapidly isn’t his fault.

No but literally having every position on the team get worse on your watch is your fault.

kcclone
10-14-2019, 07:47 AM
Andy calls the shots. Veach is a pawn and apparently not a good one. They have ruined our defense in a big way.

Andy should be on the hot seat but we all know he isn't.


Under normal circumstances, I would agree there's nothing a guy like Reid could do to get fired and his 9-11 wins will always be enough, but this is different.

When Mahomes gets fed up, Reid will be gone. It may take another year or possibly two, but eventually Mahomes will realize this is the ground hog day and Reid/Veach are incapable of fixing the D.

And Clark is not going to waste the entire Mahomes era by watching defensive ineptitude.

Heads will roll sooner around here.

Our HC is no longer the most powerful person in the organization behind the owner. Once Mahomes wants change, change will come.

RunKC
10-14-2019, 07:49 AM
Veach did well at Safety. Honey Badger is a good player and Thornhill looks good. Great pick and big run stop yesterday.

chiefzilla1501
10-14-2019, 07:54 AM
Lets remember when he was hired, we had Marcus Peters coming off of a DROY type of year and Eric Berry was an all pro.

I mean, we aren't better. But it's the one area we haven't done too bad considering our investment. But sadly it's probably the only area. The real crime is the front 7 where we've invested a ton in and look like aids.

Mecca
10-14-2019, 07:55 AM
It's just time to admit it, John Dorsey, Chris Ballard, Brett Veach......we have the worst one.

Tribal Warfare
10-14-2019, 09:00 AM
Under normal circumstances, I would agree there's nothing a guy like Reid could do to get fired and his 9-11 wins will always be enough, but this is different.

When Mahomes gets fed up, Reid will be gone. It may take another year or possibly two, but eventually Mahomes will realize this is the ground hog day and Reid/Veach are incapable of fixing the D.

And Clark is not going to waste the entire Mahomes era by watching defensive ineptitude.

Heads will roll sooner around here.

Our HC is no longer the most powerful person in the organization behind the owner. Once Mahomes wants change, change will come.

I wonder if Pat Sr. and Leigh Steinberg will have a heart to heart with Patrick and tell him to make a business decision. Sit out to heal with Pat Sr and Steinberg advising that'll help him out long term since Steinberg is negotiating Patrick's 200 million contract .

Ultimately, the O-Line needs to be fixed, because I see this as a real possibility.

chiefzilla1501
10-14-2019, 09:07 AM
I wonder if Pat Sr. and Leigh Steinberg will have a heart to heart with Patrick and tell him to make a business decision and sit out to heal and advise that'll help him out long term since Steinberg is negotiating Patrick's 200 million contract .

Ultimately, the O-Line needs to be fixed, because I see this as a real possibility.

There's absolutely no way a competitive guy like mahomes agrees to that. And he didn't get hit. My bigger concern is if they might ask mahomes if he believes veach is good enough to warrant an extension.

And by the way, I don't know what it was, but our pass pro wasn't that terrible yesterday. Mahomes didn't get hit or even hurried much

scho63
10-14-2019, 09:10 AM
Seriously had enough.

You've been a GM for roughly a year and a half and honestly you kinda suck so far.

You traded for Ragland...he sucks.
You give Hitchens a ton of money, he sucks really bad.
You spent a whole draft on a bunch of guys who have made the defense worse than it was when you took the job...

Sammy Watkins has been fine when he plays but still the same issues he's always had...

So lets be real, so far when Watkins is your best move since taking the job that is terrible.

And seriously fuck you for thinking that secondary was so good you didn't have to spend 1 pick on it till the 4th round then telling us you were fixing the run D. Yea you should did that..

So far you fucking suck at your job, a retard with a pellet gun could have basically gotten the same result as what you've done since taking over.

This post is accurate and can be expanded upon quite a bit since you started the thread, none of which is good for the Chiefs. :doh!:

New World Order
10-14-2019, 09:11 AM
Honey Badger looked liked he was about to cry after the game. He said something that I found interesting. He basically said the guys are playing for themselves and until they play for each other this defense is what will keep happening. Basically said the DL plays for the DL and linebackers play for the LBs. They are selfish.

They just have to look at themselves in the mirror!

Tribal Warfare
10-14-2019, 09:11 AM
There's absolutely no way a competitive guy like mahomes agrees to that. And he didn't get hit. My bigger concern is if they might ask mahomes if he believes veach is good enough to warrant an extension.

Like RG3 when his knee gave out, you've got to protect him from himself.

You don't want him to get injured to the point that rehab would be useless.

Pat Sr. being a pro too knows there is a difference being competitive and being reckless

ShowtimeSBMVP
10-14-2019, 09:45 AM
I don’t get the hate for him. He’s just a puppet GM. You’re crazy if you believe he has final say on moves. Andy hand pick this guy cause he’s a yes man.

BigCatDaddy
10-18-2019, 02:59 PM
How about that 2019 draft class with no 1st round pick!

MAHOMO 4 LIFE!
10-18-2019, 03:05 PM
How about that 2019 draft class with no 1st round pick!

Look at his UDFA too!! Dudes a stud

RealSNR
10-18-2019, 03:23 PM
I don’t get the hate for him. He’s just a puppet GM. You’re crazy if you believe he has final say on moves. Andy hand pick this guy cause he’s a yes man.

I don't understand this obsession with "final say." Who gives a shit? Andy can say, "Brett, go get me Frank Clark" but it's still Veach who negotiates the trade and gets the contract and does all the important shit. Andy isn't the one overpaying all these contracts and getting fleeced on draft day trades. Veach is.

And Veach kinda sucks at that part of the job. Actually, he REALLY sucks at that part of the job. I don't give a shit if he's a puppet or not. He's a puppet who sucks, and because he sucks, our personnel resources have been significantly reduced more than they have to be.

Imon Yourside
10-18-2019, 03:24 PM
Burt Veech stole ma kandykorns

MAHOMO 4 LIFE!
10-18-2019, 03:25 PM
I don't understand this obsession with "final say." Who gives a shit? Andy can say, "Brett, go get me Frank Clark" but it's still Veach who negotiates the trade and gets the contract and does all the important shit. Andy isn't the one overpaying all these contracts and getting fleeced on draft day trades. Veach is.

And Veach kinda sucks at that part of the job. Actually, he REALLY sucks at that part of the job. I don't give a shit if he's a puppet or not. He's a puppet who sucks, and because he sucks, our personnel resources have been significantly reduced more than they have to be.

So does trading Parker Ehinger for Charvarious Ward suck?? What about signing Niemann and Darrel Williams as UDFA?

MightyMouse
10-18-2019, 03:25 PM
I don’t get the hate for him. He’s just a puppet GM. You’re crazy if you believe he has final say on moves. Andy hand pick this guy cause he’s a yes man.

This just isn’t true.

RealSNR
10-18-2019, 03:34 PM
So does trading Parker Ehinger for Charvarious Ward suck?? What about signing Niemann and Darrel Williams as UDFA?

If Andy calls the shots, was that Brett Veach or Andy Reid who scouted those players and made the deal happen?

Doesn't matter. Retards like Chiefshrink will just keep peddling the "Andy calls the shots!!!!" line when it's convenient for them to use it. When good moves happen, they're totally silent.

BryanBusby
10-18-2019, 03:38 PM
I don't understand this obsession with "final say." Who gives a shit? Andy can say, "Brett, go get me Frank Clark" but it's still Veach who negotiates the trade and gets the contract and does all the important shit. Andy isn't the one overpaying all these contracts and getting fleeced on draft day trades. Veach is.

And Veach kinda sucks at that part of the job. Actually, he REALLY sucks at that part of the job. I don't give a shit if he's a puppet or not. He's a puppet who sucks, and because he sucks, our personnel resources have been significantly reduced more than they have to be.
Well it sort of matters. if Andy is telling him to get whatever players no matter what than well that'll lead you to getting butt fucked in a trade.

I think the Chiefs got butt fucked in that trade because the first round talent pool in this draft was shit and if the Chiefs were selling, I'd want more than a limp dick 1 too. I'm not the only one that remembered people wanting Adderley or Thornhill, who both went in the late second. Tillery? He looks useless so far and went before we were due to select.

staylor26
10-18-2019, 03:48 PM
Other than the Clark trade, when has Veach got raped?

Murray for Ogbah?
Alex for a 2nd and Fuller?
Ehinger for Ward?
Dee Ford (who’s been a situational pass rusher) for a 2nd?
Peters for a 2nd (Thornhill)?

The truth is he’s won much more than he’s lost.

RealSNR
10-18-2019, 03:50 PM
Well it sort of matters. if Andy is telling him to get whatever players no matter what than well that'll lead you to getting butt fucked in a trade.

I think the Chiefs got butt fucked in that trade because the first round talent pool in this draft was shit and if the Chiefs were selling, I'd want more than a limp dick 1 too. I'm not the only one that remembered people wanting Adderley or Thornhill, who both went in the late second. Tillery? He looks useless so far and went before we were due to select.
There's no fucking way Andy is saying, "Get me this player no matter what." That's just idiotic.

BryanBusby
10-18-2019, 04:00 PM
There's no fucking way Andy is saying, "Get me this player no matter what." That's just idiotic.
Did you sleep in a crack house through the entire "DREAM TEAM" phase when he was GM'ing the Eagles? If not, you'd know that response you wrote out is idiotic.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE!
10-18-2019, 04:01 PM
There's no ****ing way Andy is saying, "Get me this player no matter what." That's just idiotic.

You’re right!! It’s not like Veach clearly stated that Spags said he wanted HB and Veach went out and got him.

Chargem
10-18-2019, 04:15 PM
Other than the Clark trade, when has Veach got raped?

Murray for Ogbah?
Alex for a 2nd and Fuller?
Ehinger for Ward?
Dee Ford (who’s been a situational pass rusher) for a 2nd?
Peters for a 2nd (Thornhill)?

The truth is he’s won much more than he’s lost.

It was a 3rd and Fuller in the Alex Smith trade.

I think Peters was the one that most people thought was bad. It was a 2nd in the following year and it also involved a pick swap that made it worse if I remember correctly?

RealSNR
10-18-2019, 04:24 PM
Other than the Clark trade, when has Veach got raped?

Murray for Ogbah?
Alex for a 2nd and Fuller?
Ehinger for Ward?
Dee Ford (who’s been a situational pass rusher) for a 2nd?
Peters for a 2nd (Thornhill)?

The truth is he’s won much more than he’s lost.
We got a 3rd and Fuller for Alex, not a 2nd.

Veach really fucking overpaid for Hitchens, Watkins, and Clark. And while he's been a better model of consistency than the others he's compared to, I think he also paid for Mathieu. And these contracts are all a result of getting into bidding wars with other teams. You can say all you want, 'Well, that's just the market" but I can't name many Super Bowl teams who give out deals like Veach does. Dorsey showed some restraint. He was willing to let deals come to him some of the time, even though he too did a lot of overpaying. He also was able to deliver the occasional team-friendly value in free agency far more often.

We could talk about his draft history, but even with the 2018 draft looking cruddy, it's dumb to judge his drafts this early. But I will, however, continue to shit on the Breeland Speaks trade up and selection. Christ... talk about having tunnel vision in the draft. That was just an embarrassingly bad pick.

Veach's successes have nearly all come through nibbling around the edges by making those low risk trades and moves you mentioned above. I don't think the Peters and Ford trades were slam dunks because compared to the market at the time, 2nd round picks that occur in future drafts weren't good payoffs. However, the trades for Ogbah, Fuller, and Ward were pretty good.

He's made some sneaky decent free agent acquisitions in Reiter, McCoy, Damien Wilson, Breeland, and Okafor. There are also a couple of random "roster maintenance" transactions like the Schwartz extension and the Fisher and Hitchens contract restructures, but I'm not really going to suck his dick for that stuff. Every GM has made those type of easy quick moves.

In terms of the big money contracts he's worked on, the only one I can really say that was really good was the Tyreek extension. The rest of them were overpays or even outright busts.

Veach's problem is he thinks of himself as this big dicked card player who likes to be aggressive and take risks. If he could just fucking cool his goddamn jets and sit back more often instead of treating each free agent target like his life depends on it, he'd be okay.

He needs to learn that lesson pretty damn fucking quickly here. We're gonna need draft pick QUANTITY coming up here in a few seasons, and we're also going to be strapped for cash when we give Mahomes his extension. If he keeps doing Frank Clark trades while we're in that era of Chiefs football, he's going to fuck up everything.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE!
10-18-2019, 04:27 PM
We got a 3rd and Fuller for Alex, not a 2nd.

Veach really ****ing overpaid for Hitchens, Watkins, and Clark. And while he's been a better model of consistency than the others he's compared to, I think he also paid for Mathieu. And these contracts are all a result of getting into bidding wars with other teams. You can say all you want, 'Well, that's just the market" but I can't name many Super Bowl teams who give out deals like Veach does. Dorsey showed some restraint. He was willing to let deals come to him some of the time, even though he too did a lot of overpaying. He also was able to deliver the occasional team-friendly value in free agency far more often.

We could talk about his draft history, but even with the 2018 draft looking cruddy, it's dumb to judge his drafts this early. But I will, however, continue to shit on the Breeland Speaks trade up and selection. Christ... talk about having tunnel vision in the draft. That was just an embarrassingly bad pick.

Veach's successes have nearly all come through nibbling around the edges by making those low risk trades and moves you mentioned above. I don't think the Peters and Ford trades were slam dunks because compared to the market at the time, 2nd round picks that occur in future drafts weren't good payoffs. However, the trades for Ogbah, Fuller, and Ward were pretty good.

He's made some sneaky decent free agent acquisitions in Reiter, McCoy, Damien Wilson, Breeland, and Okafor. There are also a couple of random "roster maintenance" transactions like the Schwartz extension and the Fisher and Hitchens contract restructures, but I'm not really going to suck his dick for that stuff. Every GM has made those type of easy quick moves.

In terms of the big money contracts he's worked on, the only one I can really say that was really good was the Tyreek extension. The rest of them were overpays or even outright busts.

Veach's problem is he thinks of himself as this big dicked card player who likes to be aggressive and take risks. If he could just ****ing cool his goddamn jets and sit back more often instead of treating each free agent target like his life depends on it, he'd be okay.

He needs to learn that lesson pretty damn ****ing quickly here. We're gonna need draft pick QUANTITY coming up here in a few seasons, and we're also going to be strapped for cash when we give Mahomes his extension. If he keeps doing Frank Clark trades while we're in that era of Chiefs football, he's going to **** up everything.

He didn’t fuck to the HB deal at all. Not only is ur secondary vastly improved thanks to him but our defense is better than last year and that also cuz of him. He is everything we wished Eric Berry would do. Mathieu can play the ball. Tackle. And can even rush the qb. He does it all oh and he’s also a leader

RealSNR
10-18-2019, 04:28 PM
You’re right!! It’s not like Veach clearly stated that Spags said he wanted HB and Veach went out and got him.

Veach said he consulted with Spags about defensive free agents. The story is that Veach said, "I've got Tyrann Mathieu as my #1 free agent target" and Spags said, "Hey, me too!"

Consulting with your coaching staff is something even fucking Belichick does. And even if Spags TOLD him to go get Mathieu, how the fuck does that mean Veach took an order from Andy to "Go get Mathieu no matter what"

RealSNR
10-18-2019, 04:35 PM
Did you sleep in a crack house through the entire "DREAM TEAM" phase when he was GM'ing the Eagles? If not, you'd know that response you wrote out is idiotic.

That's speculation at best.

It's well known Reid had that magical fucking FINAL SAY option that make people jizz out their brains on this forum (that's even according to Reid himself and the Eagles execs at the time), but unless you can come up with some stories that support your claim that he'd tell Heckert and Roseman to just blow the entire wad if they had to in order to acquire Player X, that's pretty much bullshit.

Chiefshrink
10-18-2019, 04:41 PM
If Andy calls the shots, was that Brett Veach or Andy Reid who scouted those players and made the deal happen?

Doesn't matter. Retards like Chiefshrink will just keep peddling the "Andy calls the shots!!!!" line when it's convenient for them to use it. When good moves happen, they're totally silent.

Andy calls the shots PERIOD:D. Veach is just a glorified gopher. There are many reasons Dorsey is gone and the biggest one is Reid found out early Dorsey was not a yes man. Reid was smart enough to know that Dorsey would crap in his own bed in due time and he would be gone thus not having to do anything behind Dorsey's back to get him out of town.

Chiefshrink
10-18-2019, 04:45 PM
When good moves happen, they're totally silent.

Can you confirm these good moves that were Brett Veach ONLY MOVES???:shrug:


NO, you can't !!!:shake:

RealSNR
10-18-2019, 04:49 PM
Andy calls the shots PERIOD:D. Veach is just a glorified gopher. There are many reasons Dorsey is gone and the biggest one is Reid found out early Dorsey was not a yes man.

Provide some evidence or get the fuck out.

RealSNR
10-18-2019, 04:51 PM
Can you confirm these good moves that were Brett Veach ONLY MOVES???:shrug:


NO, you can't !!!:shake:

Can you confirm that Andy Reid orchestrated all of these good moves and the only thing that Brett Veach did was the paperwork?

NO, you can't !!!:shake:

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-18-2019, 07:15 PM
Again:

How the FUCK do you pick up Frank Clark without knowing both of his arms are fucked up and will require surgery?

How do you do that?

How the fuck is that even possible?

And I don't give a fuck if he's having a monster game, all pumped up on PED's and snorting rails of HGH, how do you accomplish something so fucking stupid as a GM?

Megatron96
10-19-2019, 02:57 AM
Again:

How the **** do you pick up Frank Clark without knowing both of his arms are ****ed up and will require surgery?

How do you do that?

How the **** is that even possible?

And I don't give a **** if he's having a monster game, all pumped up on PED's and snorting rails of HGH, how do you accomplish something so ****ing stupid as a GM?

Are you serious? The proper method of taking HGH is to snort rails of it? Why?

Sweet Daddy Hate
10-19-2019, 03:38 PM
Are you serious? The proper method of taking HGH is to snort rails of it? Why?

It's more effective than freebasing.

RunKC
10-27-2019, 11:00 PM
Tonight sucked but the silver lining was our young guys.

Hardman was good again, Saunders was good in run support and had a sack + QB hit and another pressure, Thornhill was rock solid playing deep as a rookie and Rankin has been the best LG we have had in years. Even Fenton has looked pretty decent.

Then you think of Ogbah balling. Ward did well too.

We needed almost every one of those guys tonight bc of injuries and they played well.

Chieftain
11-04-2019, 03:52 PM
Veach picked up Buttkicker from the Panthers practice squad and got Ward for a scrub offensive guard who doesn't even play in the league.
Both players right now are two of the best in their positions in the entire NFL. The guy has an eye for talent. And he is great in managing the cap. I've said it all along, he is a top 3 GM in this league.