The case for Rex Ryan as new DC

[BossChief]

Here’s why I’d be happy bringing in Rex Ryan to coach the defense...

1st is we wouldn’t need to overhaul the entire defense as the schemes are similar...but the philosophy is different.

Bob Sutton’s years as NYJs DC team rankings

First year
13th yards ...6th in points
2nd year
18th yards...19th points
3rd year
17th yards...18th points

Rex Ryan takes over HC the following year in09

1st year
1st in yards...1st in points

2nd year
3rd in yards....6th in points

Drastic and immediate improvement

More stats to come on why I think Rex would be a good hire...

[ModSocks]

no no no no no.

We just fired a Rex Ryan disciple and you want more?

Dude....really?

[threebag]

Can you imagine Andy sharing a sideline with Rex?

[Dr. Yu Weed Tard]

Same. Fucking. Scheme.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Fuck right off with this shit.

[ModSocks]

Can you imagine Andy sharing a sideline with Rex?

Not enough room on the sideline.

Everyone would be bumping guts trying to get around each other

[L.A. Chieffan]

Puke

[Mecca]

That scheme doesn't work anymore...

[RN47]

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[Chiefspants]

I don't think Andy could handle a personality like that so high up on the coaching staff.

[FringeNC]

That scheme doesn't work anymore...

Yep, and a disaster at Buffalo. D went from one of the best in the league to one of the worst upon his arrival.

[FloridaMan88]

Rex Ryan was crushing Sutton yesterday on ESPN about not making adjustments and the scheme, so there's that.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

People are going to shit on the idea but here’s why I think it’s solid.

Rex is a guy who will inspire the room. He will give them confidence and have them playing hard with swagger. That’s something we’ve lacked desperately the past few years.

[chiefforlife]

I would be fine with Rex.

Same scheme does NOT mean same results. This would be great to have a HC as DC, its what would be perfect for Andy. Rex would have complete control over the D.

Rex was freaking out about the lack of adjustments from Sutton. Rex knows how to beat the Patriots!!

DO IT!!!

[Hoover]

Clark likes preppy boys. Not a good fit.

[JakeF]

Isn't Ryan is out of the league right now because his brand of defense doesn't work with the current rules etc?

[Mecca]

Kris Richard is who I'd look at provided he'd leave Dallas, he's had 2 jobs with top level D's and he's great with DB's.

[In58men]

Give me Del Rio

[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This was Rex Ryan yesterday: <br><br>“<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> are going to throw their draft at new blood on defense. If they developed any sort of defense from here moving forward they’ll be an unstoppable football team.”</p>&mdash; Jarrett Sutton (@JarrettTSutton) <a href="https://twitter.com/JarrettTSutton/status/1087801968561700866?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[pugsnotdrugs19]

Just because Sutton used the 3-4 scheme similar to Ryan, does NOT mean the results will be similar whatsoever.

Sutton is the one who couldn’t get these guys to play aggressively, couldn’t make adjustments.

[Mecca]

Just because Sutton used the 3-4 scheme similar to Ryan, does NOT mean the results will be similar whatsoever.

Sutton is the one who couldn’t get these guys to play aggressively, couldn’t make adjustments.

People think this because Sutton was on Ryan's Jets staff..although I think at one point Rex took away his playcalling.

[BossChief]

Kris Richard is who I'd look at provided he'd leave Dallas, he's had 2 jobs with top level D's and he's great with DB's.

They would need to request permission to talk to him but i mentioned him a couple days ago as a possibility. Also, I’d take any of the position coaches from Baltimore or even Seattle.

[The Franchise]

They would need to request permission to talk to him but i mentioned him a couple days ago as a possibility. Also, I’d take any of the position coaches from Baltimore or even Seattle.

Or Chicago.

[JakeF]

Just because Sutton used the 3-4 scheme similar to Ryan, does NOT mean the results will be similar whatsoever.

Sutton is the one who couldn’t get these guys to play aggressively, couldn’t make adjustments.Then why is Ryan unemployed?

Is there any Team in the NFL using the Ryan defense right now?

[Chiefshrink]

Well it really comes down to Andy and if he is willing to give up personnel decisions on the defensive side of the ball. Can you see anyone who is worth their salt and personality like a Ryan not having any say so in personnel in what they want to do ??

We will soon find out if AR still wants a "yes man".;)

[Donger]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s a name to watch for the now vacant Chiefs’ DC job, per sources: former Jets and Bills’ HC and current ESPN analyst Rex Ryan, who has been approached about other DC openings in recent seasons.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1087799963466326017?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Chiefnj2]

Article discussing how Ryan killed Buffalo's defense.

https://www.theringer.com/2016/12/27/16045662/buffalo-bills-fire-rex-ryan-nfl-428163700e1

[Bowser]

No. Take a hungry defensive assistant from a team that has had a top 10 defense the last five years.

[JakeF]

Watch Andy promote Emmitt Thomas or his son? I guess that would be one way to keep his son employed, make him his DC.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Then why is Ryan unemployed?

Is there any Team in the NFL using the Ryan defense right now?

Not only is he unemployed, but has been for three years.

[Sassy Squatch]

No. I've had enough of this defense. Ditch the scheme entirely.

[Stinger]

The only reason I could see this is this defense needs an attitude. A swagger. A filthy mouthed asshole to get in everyone’s ass. Rex Ryan fits that profile. Plus, he knows his X’s and O’s defensively.

[HemiEd]

Or Chicago.

Agreed, love it

[BossChief]

Rex’s version of his defense is unlike Sutton’s version.

He wasn’t a good HC, but he’s a great DC. Very good at developing guys and making in game adjustments.

I think he would be a high quality hire

[Amnorix]

I've always thought highly of Rex as a DC, and didn't think he was a bad HC either to be honest. Dragged the Jets into the AFCCG once or twice, including beating the Patriots in Foxboro once to do it. He's an odd duck, but a helluva coach IMHO.

[The Franchise]

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[BossChief]

Sign Rex and trade for PP or Ramsey and this team will win a Super Bowl in the next year or 2.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Rex’s version of his defense is unlike Sutton’s version.

He wasn’t a good HC, but he’s a great DC. Very good at developing guys and making in game adjustments.

I think he would be a high quality hire

This.

We all think of him from his HC days, but that’s a far more complex and detailed job.

Rex is a guy who Andy can delegate the defense to with full trust and just let him lock in on that side of the football. I think it could get us over the hump.

[Mecca]

The only upside of a move like that is with his HC experience Reid not paying attention to the defense wouldn't as big of a deal.

[In58men]

Del fucking Rio!!!!!!!!!

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I’ve already saw tweets from even Jets fans who say that Ryan as a DC is a great thing.

[The Franchise]

Del fucking Rio!!!!!!!!!

Will never get a coaching job in KC. Get over it.

[BossChief]

No. Take a hungry defensive assistant from a team that has had a top 10 defense the last five years.

It’s not that easy with new rules. Unless you are offering a HC spot, you need to request permission to interview someone for a DC spot.

Teams don’t always grant permission when it means losing a quality coach that they’ve groomed.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Article discussing how Ryan killed Buffalo's defense.

https://www.theringer.com/2016/12/27/16045662/buffalo-bills-fire-rex-ryan-nfl-428163700e1

I had forgotten how solid that defense was before Rex murdered it.

[The Franchise]

It’s not that easy with new rules. Unless you are offering a HC spot, you need to request permission to interview someone for a DC spot.

Teams done always grant permission when it means losing a quality coach that they’ve groomed.

They didn't groom him though. He's been there one season.

EDIT: Just noticed you weren't mentioning Richard exclusively.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

So what's the history here...

He immediately turned a crap Sutton defense into one of the league's best, then immediately ruined Buffalo's D? Any insight?

[chiefzilla1501]

His own players turned on him because his defense wasn't even close to aggressive as pettines. And pettine learned from Ryan. Overcomplicared, too conservative... Just seems like we're checking the same boxes again.

[TLO]

*insert joke about feet here*

[Abba-Dabba]

Boy, so many questions.

Why would Andy Reid want an ex-HC coaching under him? Has he ever had an ex-HC coach under him? 2 huge ego's in the same box? How does Reid view the relationship? Underling? How does Rex Ryan view the relationship? Co-HC?

Great thing is that the list of talented coaches willing to come into the Chiefs situation has to be fairly large.

[Chiefnj2]

In an interview with ESPN's Josina Anderson, Bills defensive tackle Marcell Dareus said that "everybody's job is on the line" on the team.

"I like Rex, personally," Dareus said. "I don't like to see anyone get fired.

"Everyone is fighting for their position, so we're at a point where we have to make a change."

Asked why he thought the Bills' defense seemed to regress under Ryan, Dareus told Anderson that he believes "we should've been more aggressive on defense ... because that's the kind of players we have."

"We want to put our foot on the pedal and keep it down knowing what we're doing and being strategic on what we're doing," Dareus said. "Not trying to match up with this team or that team. We want to have our identity [knowing] this is who we are and what we're going to do."

Dareus indicated Ryan's defense was too complicated.

"It was just too much detail for a lot of guys, and I feel like for a lot of guys it was too much going on for them to check here and check there, if this happens and that happens," he said. "Then nine times out of 10, a team will throw something out there that we weren't prepared for -- and then the adjustment to it we had to get used to and try to make it happen and make plays."

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Louis Riddick said last night that Reid needs to hire a DC who will let him control the defense. He said Reid is always next to Mahomes after every drive but never with the defense. Rex Ryan fits that profile to a T. Someone who was a coach before and can be trusted to handle the defense by himself. I’m all for this hire. He knows what needs to be done to fix this defense.

[The Franchise]

CP just got it's offseason burst. We're about to be completely fucking divided on our DC.

[In58men]

Will never get a coaching job in KC. Get over it.

Why?

What did I miss?

[The Franchise]

Why?

What did I miss?

In 1987, he was acquired by the Kansas City Chiefs to play outside linebacker, reuniting him with former Saints defensive coordinator John Paul Young. He started 9 games at right outside linebacker, tallying 45 tackles, 2 sacks and one forced fumble.

That season the NFL players went on strike. Throughout this period of time, Del Rio and teammates picketed outside of Arrowhead stadium and were vigilantly watching for replacement players attempting to enter the facility. Del Rio mistakenly mistook former Chiefs wide receiver Otis Taylor for a replacement player and assaulted him. At the time, Taylor was a scout for the Chiefs organization and had been retired for 12 years. Chiefs fans who came across the assault told Del Rio that Taylor was actually an 11-year veteran and legend in the Kansas City Chiefs organization. Taylor would later press charges and the two would settle out of court.[11]

[Baster mater]

Brent Venables. Young and knows how today's game is played.

[Frazod]

Then why is Ryan unemployed?

Is there any Team in the NFL using the Ryan defense right now?

Well, he's not unemployed. He's got a cushy studio gig.

IMO it would probably take the right offer from the right team to move him out of that. Perhaps like being the DC of a team that has Patrick Mahomes on the other side of the ball.

[In58men]

In 1987, he was acquired by the Kansas City Chiefs to play outside linebacker, reuniting him with former Saints defensive coordinator John Paul Young. He started 9 games at right outside linebacker, tallying 45 tackles, 2 sacks and one forced fumble.

That season the NFL players went on strike. Throughout this period of time, Del Rio and teammates picketed outside of Arrowhead stadium and were vigilantly watching for replacement players attempting to enter the facility. Del Rio mistakenly mistook former Chiefs wide receiver Otis Taylor for a replacement player and assaulted him. At the time, Taylor was a scout for the Chiefs organization and had been retired for 12 years. Chiefs fans who came across the assault told Del Rio that Taylor was actually an 11-year veteran and legend in the Kansas City Chiefs organization. Taylor would later press charges and the two would settle out of court.[11]

Hmmm seems a bit dramatic that this organization would hold onto this grudge, especially since Del Rio admitted he mistakenly mistook him for a replacement player. Both settled outside of court as well.

[Sassy Squatch]

Brent Venables. Young and knows how today's game is played.
Yes. Get him some Clemson talent while you're at it.

[BossChief]

The more I think of it, the more I love the idea of Rex as DC.

He has a lifelong history of coaching defenses
Andy wants someone to take over the whole defense so he can focus on the offense.
Rex has shown the ability to develop young talent and is a “players coach” with similar style to Andy in terms of letting players personalities shine with their play.
He runs a scheme that the players already have a basic understanding of
He’s great at in game adjustments
He would be able to get the guys attention and teach run defense and attitude

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Rex Ryan’s defenses coached 12 years. His defenses finished in the top 10 9 times!

[bsp4444]

Brent Venables. Young and knows how today's game is played.

Also makes 2 mil as a college coordinator.

[FloridaMan88]

The Ryan family hasn't exactly had a great history serving as the defensive coordinator for teams with explosive offenses.

Rob Ryan clashed with Sean Payton and things ended badly for him with the Saints.

And of course Buddy Ryan famously clashed with Kevin Gilbride (punching him in the face) when he was DC with the Houston Oilers.

[Sassy Squatch]

In an interview with ESPN's Josina Anderson, Bills defensive tackle Marcell Dareus said that "everybody's job is on the line" on the team.

"I like Rex, personally," Dareus said. "I don't like to see anyone get fired.

"Everyone is fighting for their position, so we're at a point where we have to make a change."

Asked why he thought the Bills' defense seemed to regress under Ryan, Dareus told Anderson that he believes "we should've been more aggressive on defense ... because that's the kind of players we have."

"We want to put our foot on the pedal and keep it down knowing what we're doing and being strategic on what we're doing," Dareus said. "Not trying to match up with this team or that team. We want to have our identity [knowing] this is who we are and what we're going to do."

Dareus indicated Ryan's defense was too complicated.

"It was just too much detail for a lot of guys, and I feel like for a lot of guys it was too much going on for them to check here and check there, if this happens and that happens," he said. "Then nine times out of 10, a team will throw something out there that we weren't prepared for -- and then the adjustment to it we had to get used to and try to make it happen and make plays."
"Too complicated. Not aggressive enough."

Fuck. No.

[Abba-Dabba]

In 1987, he was acquired by the Kansas City Chiefs to play outside linebacker, reuniting him with former Saints defensive coordinator John Paul Young. He started 9 games at right outside linebacker, tallying 45 tackles, 2 sacks and one forced fumble.

That season the NFL players went on strike. Throughout this period of time, Del Rio and teammates picketed outside of Arrowhead stadium and were vigilantly watching for replacement players attempting to enter the facility. Del Rio mistakenly mistook former Chiefs wide receiver Otis Taylor for a replacement player and assaulted him. At the time, Taylor was a scout for the Chiefs organization and had been retired for 12 years. Chiefs fans who came across the assault told Del Rio that Taylor was actually an 11-year veteran and legend in the Kansas City Chiefs organization. Taylor would later press charges and the two would settle out of court.[11]


Not on the Del Rio express, but holding 3 decade old grudges can't be healthy.

[OnTheWarpath15]

In an interview with ESPN's Josina Anderson, Bills defensive tackle Marcell Dareus said that "everybody's job is on the line" on the team.

"I like Rex, personally," Dareus said. "I don't like to see anyone get fired.

"Everyone is fighting for their position, so we're at a point where we have to make a change."

Asked why he thought the Bills' defense seemed to regress under Ryan, Dareus told Anderson that he believes "we should've been more aggressive on defense ... because that's the kind of players we have."

"We want to put our foot on the pedal and keep it down knowing what we're doing and being strategic on what we're doing," Dareus said. "Not trying to match up with this team or that team. We want to have our identity [knowing] this is who we are and what we're going to do."

Dareus indicated Ryan's defense was too complicated.

"It was just too much detail for a lot of guys, and I feel like for a lot of guys it was too much going on for them to check here and check there, if this happens and that happens," he said. "Then nine times out of 10, a team will throw something out there that we weren't prepared for -- and then the adjustment to it we had to get used to and try to make it happen and make plays."


Well this doesn't sounds familiar AT ALL.

[sarcasm font]

[chiefzilla1501]

Not on the Del Rio express, but holding 3 decade old grudges can't be healthy.

I think del Rio is basically the DC for cincy once the Bengals announce their new head coach.

[BleedingRed]

For those of you saying HELL NO to Rex Ryan I'd like to point out a couple of things..............

Rex Ryan's Worst:

Points = 24th

Rushing Defense = 29th

Passing Defense = 22nd

Yards = 19th

Below I have highlighted with green boxes EVERYTIME his defense was top 10 in each of those categories

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[Chris Meck]

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this.

[BleedingRed]

For those of you saying HELL NO to Rex Ryan I'd like to point out a couple of things..............

Rex Ryan's Worst:

Points = 24th

Rushing Defense = 29th

Passing Defense = 22nd

Yards = 19th

Below I have highlighted with green boxes EVERYTIME his defense was top 10 in each of those categories

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So for those of you keeping count...........

Rex Ryan's Career Averaged out where his defense ranks

Yards = 7th
Passing Defense = 9th
Rushing Defense = 10th
Points = 13th

[The Franchise]

For those of you saying HELL NO to Rex Ryan I'd like to point out a couple of things..............

Rex Ryan's Worst:

Points = 24th

Rushing Defense = 29th

Passing Defense = 22nd

Yards = 19th

Below I have highlighted with green boxes EVERYTIME his defense was top 10 in each of those categories

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The Ravens defense is making everyone want Ryan.

We don't have Ed Reid or Ray Lewis on this defense.

[Mennonite]

If it happens, someone in KC is gonna make a fortune selling barbecued pigs feet.

[OnTheWarpath15]

For those of you saying HELL NO to Rex Ryan I'd like to point out a couple of things..............

Rex Ryan's Worst:

Points = 24th

Rushing Defense = 29th

Passing Defense = 22nd

Yards = 19th

Below I have highlighted with green boxes EVERYTIME his defense was top 10 in each of those categories

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So according to this, the last time he had a consistently good defense was...

NINE seasons ago.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Rex Ryan was in the top 10 every year he coached at either pass defense or run defense. We were 29th and 31st in run and pass

[mcaj22]

Yo I'll say it

Those Jets teams that prop up guys like Sutton and Ryan were absolutely STACKED with talent. The fact that Sutton and Ryan have held onto jobs this long after all those guys on the Jets have been out of the league is amazing. Anyone on this board could have coached those Jets defenses to top 10 finishes.

They were solid at every single position on the field. They carried MARK SANCHEZ at QB to two AFC Conference games for goodness sake. Those coaches should get zero credit for that. There was no development, it was all veterans or can't miss prospects that played above and beyond the scheme.

[htismaqe]

Rex Ryan was in the top 10 every year he coached at either pass defense or run defense. We were 29th and 31st in run and pass

Bob Sutton fielded FOUR top 10 scoring defenses when he was here. In 2014 and 2015, they were one of the best defenses in the league.

Stats don't tell the whole story.

DO NOT want Rex Ryan, there is no case for him. This team needs NEW blood.

[BigRedChief]

Louis Riddick said last night that Reid needs to hire a DC who will let him control the defense. He said Reid is always next to Mahomes after every drive but never with the defense. Rex Ryan fits that profile to a T. Someone who was a coach before and can be trusted to handle the defense by himself. I’m all for this hire. He knows what needs to be done to fix this defense.yeah, I don’t buy this ego BS. Reid knows as does everyone else, he’s one of the best offensive minds in football. He’s never claimed to be a defensive coach. He obviously needs a coach to take charge of the defense. We just need a middle of the pack defense. Surely Rex Ryan can fit that bill.

His focus, rightfully so is on coaching up Mahomes. We will go as far as Mahomes can take us.

[htismaqe]

Yo I'll say it

Those Jets teams that prop up guys like Sutton and Ryan were absolutely STACKED with talent. The fact that Sutton and Ryan have held onto jobs this long after all those guys on the Jets have been out of the league is amazing. Anyone on this board could have coached those Jets defenses to top 10 finishes.

They were solid at every single position on the field. They carried MARK SANCHEZ at QB to two AFC Conference games for goodness sake. Those coaches should get zero credit for that. There was no development it was all veterans or can't miss prospects that played above and beyond the scheme.

:clap::clap::clap:

[OnTheWarpath15]

Bob Sutton fielded FOUR top 10 scoring defenses when he was here. In 2014 and 2015, they were one of the best defenses in the league.

Stats don't tell the whole story.

DO NOT want Rex Ryan, there is no case for him. This team needs NEW blood.

Boom goes the dynamite.

[gblowfish]

He's a pervo, dudes...

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[ShowtimeSBMVP]

https://youtu.be/O2GNDP7Hm5o

[FloridaMan88]

Bob Sutton fielded FOUR top 10 scoring defenses when he was here. In 2014 and 2015, they were one of the best defenses in the league.

Stats don't tell the whole story.

DO NOT want Rex Ryan, there is no case for him. This team needs NEW blood.

Agreed, but I am worried that Andy will go for the safe choice... a John Fox-type hire.

[Grandpa]

You don’t bring in an outsider. That just divides a locker room. You have coaches you’ve been investing in and teaching your vision. Next man up.

[T-post Tom]

You don’t bring in an outsider. That just divides a locker room. You have coaches you’ve been investing in and teaching your vision. Next man up.

not correct

[FloridaMan88]

You don’t bring in an outsider. That just divides a locker room. You have coaches you’ve been investing in and teaching your vision. Next man up.

Bob Sutton gets fired and immediately starts posting on Chiefsplanet.

[booger]

If Rex gets it his staff could look something like this:

DC Rex
ILB Rob Ryan
OLB Mike Smith (played (Baltimore) and coached(NYJ)under Rex
DL Britt Reid
DBs/corners Al Harris
Safeties Ed Reed who coached as asst DBs with Rex at Buffalo

[The Franchise]

Bob Sutton gets fired and immediately starts posting on Chiefsplanet.

ROFL

[T-post Tom]

He's a pervo, dudes...

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Guessing we'll be seeing Quentin Tarantino at Arrowhead if Ryan is hired. Those "foot guys" stick together. :D

[htismaqe]

Agreed, but I am worried that Andy will go for the safe choice... a John Fox-type hire.

Honestly, I'd like to see a position coach from a team like the Ravens. However, given how much they'll have to do, that's probably out of the question.

It will have to be somebody that has coordinator, if not HC, experience.

I just don't want Rex Ryan at all. Seems like a slightly improved Bob Sutton.

[htismaqe]

Bob Sutton gets fired and immediately starts posting on Chiefsplanet.

ROFL

[New World Order]

Marcell Dareus talked about how confusing Ryan's scheme was to learn

We don't want that again

[Indian Chief]

I don't think Andy could handle a personality like that so high up on the coaching staff.

I am in agreement with you, although my concern is less about Andy and more that Rex wants to be the star of the show.

[mcaj22]

Ryan/Sutton have been propped up by

Ray Lewis - > David Harris - > Derrick Johnson
Ed Reed-> Darrelle Revis -> Eric Berry
Suggs -> Calvin Pace -> Justin Houston/Tamba Hali
Haloti Ngata ->Kris Jenkins/Ellis->Poe/Jones

do you see a theme forming. This scheme and these retread coaches have been propped up by some of the best talent on defense in the entire league for the last 15 years. They are literally fools gold. They ran all these guys into the ground and shaved years off their careers in this scheme. Think about when all these guys hit a wall they were basically toast besides Suggs and Lewis cause they are freaks. Berry is going out the same way Revis and Ed Reed did. Houston is going out the same way Pace and Hali did. All those d-lineman blew out their backs in this crap scheme.

When this scheme doesn't have the all pro talent it is absolutely terrible. The Chiefs aren't getting the next Ray Lewis or Darrelle Revis to walk through that door in 1 offseason. The scheme needs to be thrown away.

[The Franchise]

Ryan/Sutton have been propped up by

Ray Lewis - > David Harris - > Derrick Johnson
Ed Reed-> Darrelle Revis -> Eric Berry
Suggs -> Calvin Pace -> Justin Houston/Tamba Hali
Haloti Ngata ->Kris Jenkins/Ellis->Poe/Jones

do you see a theme forming. This scheme and these retread coaches have been propped up by some of the best talent on defense in the entire league for the last 15 years. They are literally fools gold. They ran all these guys into the ground and shaved years off their careers in this scheme. Think about when all these guys hit a wall they were basically toast besides Suggs and Lewis cause they are freaks. Berry is going out the same way Revis and Ed Reed did. Houston is going out the same way Pace and Hali did. All those d-lineman blew out their backs in this crap scheme.

When this scheme doesn't have the all pro talent it is absolutely terrible. The Chiefs aren't getting the next Ray Lewis or Darrelle Revis to walk through that door in 1 offseason. The scheme needs to be thrown away.

This.

[staylor26]

Marcell Dareus talked about how confusing Ryan's scheme was to learn

We don't want that again

I mean it’s not going to be much different than Sutton’s scheme, but Ryan is a MUCH better coach.

I’m on board with Ryan, just don’t believe he’ll take a DC job. How anybody could be against this hire is beyond me.

[staylor26]

Whether you change the scheme or not, this defense needs talent.

With Houston/Ford/Jones and whatever we add in the offseason, I have no doubt Ryan would give us a significantly better defense in 2019.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I can really only laugh at the takes about talent lifting up Ryan’s units.

Well no shit. Every unit needs to good talent to be really good. Look at Wade Phillips with Denver and now the Rams. We’re not asking for anything elite. We need like top 15 level defense.

[St. Patty's Fire]

Asked some Jets fans (ones who are literate and not actual retards) for their takes on Ryan, they think he’d be a very good fit. Here’s what one said, some good shit here:

“He was fantastic as the DC in Baltimore. I watched him his whole tenure with the Ravens. He had fantastic talent, certainly, but also got the absolute most out of it. I think they were like fifth or better in total defense every year with him. He's super aggressive, likes safeties that can play in the box, and plays a base 3-4 that operates more like a 4-3. He just has an LB with his hand in the dirt. With the aggressive blitzing, he relies on the CBs to play a lot of man. It's why Revis became such a sensation--he was always on his own with no help, with the safety either playing center field, in the box, or shading to the other side of the field.

As a head coach, he sucked. I mean, that guy was absolutely loved by his players. They would literally run through walls for him. He is a really unique motivator and will squeeze every last bit of talent out of his guys. However--he is a horrible game manager. He had no concept of what to do within two minutes or how to manage the clock in general. He burned an insane amount of unnecessary timeouts. He was the worst person I had ever seen at challenging calls; like, he'd challenge things that, had they been overturned successfully, would have made it third-and-8 instead of third-and-six. Just nonsense stuff. His teams were also pretty undisciplined. He was a "players coach" and his players probably took advantage of it.

Anyway, as a DC I think he could still be great. He's twice the mind of Rob, his more stupid, never-really-successful brother. I think Rex has been away from the spotlight for long enough to let the "circus" stuff subside...the tattoo, the foot thing, generally anything involving his wife, whatever. He could be a great DC. If he hadn't already come and gone from NYJ, I'd totally bring him in.“

[Indian Chief]

I mean it’s not going to be much different than Sutton’s scheme, but Ryan is a MUCH better coach.

I’m on board with Ryan, just don’t believe he’ll take a DC job. How anybody could be against this hire is beyond me.

No one is giving Rex Ryan a head coaching job. He proved that it was too much for him, which is fine. There are a lot of great coordinators that can't handle being a head coach, i.e. Norv Turner, Wade Phillips, etc.

[In58men]

Bob Sutton gets fired and immediately starts posting on Chiefsplanet.

ROFL

[Gravedigger]

Andy wants someone who'll take the Defense off his plate so he can focus on the Offense and Patrick Mahomes' grooming, similar to how Doug Pederson has things in Philly with Jim Schwartz. Rex or Marvin, given their coaching backgrounds, would fit the mold pretty well. I don't know any DC candidate that wouldn't be jumping at this opportunity, unless there's some hidden animosity there.

[mcaj22]

I can really only laugh at the takes about talent lifting up Ryan’s units.

Well no shit. Every unit needs to good talent to be really good. Look at Wade Phillips with Denver and now the Rams. We’re not asking for anything elite. We need like top 15 level defense.

Well the stats don't lie when that talent doesn't get replaced or developed Ryan/Sutton's defenses take a nose dive. The scheme gets carried by all pro veterans. If you're asking a group of young guys to carry it or develop in it, it's terrible (Literally this year for the Chiefs for example.)

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Well the stats don't lie when that talent doesn't get replaced or developed Ryan/Sutton's defenses take a nose dive. The scheme gets carried by all pro veterans. If you're asking a group of young guys to carry it or develop in it, it's terrible (Literally this year for the Chiefs for example.)

That’s any defense though. Better players is going to mean better performance when all other factors (such as the DC) remain the same.

Someone else can run an offense similar to Andy Reid’s but that doesn’t mean they’re going to call games in the same manner or more importantly motivate players in the same way.

When have you ever heard someone say they loved playing for Bob Sutton or that he bred fire and confidence for a defense? We never have. And it shows on the field.

[staylor26]

No one is giving Rex Ryan a head coaching job. He proved that it was too much for him, which is fine. There are a lot of great coordinators that can't handle being a head coach, i.e. Norv Turner, Wade Phillips, etc.

I’m not saying they will.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Andy Reid called plays in 2014 for an offense that didn’t have a WR touchdown reception. This year there was like 30.

Talent matters. It is what it is. We need more of it REGARDLESS of who they hire. But I want a DC who will make adjustments and inspire his players.

[booger]

If it’s Ryan I hope like hell he would modernize things and take that playbook and strip that thing down and make it easier to learn. That’s been a huge problem but Martindale has n Baltimore did that exact thing and found a way to make things easier. Buddy Ryan played a number of different defenses and his boys know them well. If he could drop his ego and do what Martindale did and for chriss sake don’t ask players to do things they aren’t capable off. Scheme to fit your personnel... then I’m ok with it.

Otherwise I want Spagnuolo. Britt would stay and I think he’s done very well. Mike Smith I have been pumped about since hearing him talk about teaching the OLBs and how he was going to go about it and then the results speak for themselves. I think he’s got a bit of Mike Vrabel in him. Harris I’m 50/50 on. I could see either way on him.

I mentioned GB ILB coach Patrick Graham who was in New England and the giants while spags was there. He’s strongly rumored to go to Miami to be their d for Flores who he knows well from NE.

Wade Phillips deciples are hard to find but Denver’s DC the last two years got hired as DB/pass game co just recently so I don’t know if he would be a possibly. Denver’s LB coach Reggie Herring has coached many different teams under Phillips.

[fan4ever]

Can Rex teach people how to run to the ball, shed blocks and tackle? That alone would be a huge improvement.

[oldman]

Not on the Del Rio express, but holding 3 decade old grudges can't be healthy.

Yes it is. Part of the reason we hate the Raiders so much is Ben Davidson. Also of note, OT was 45 at the time, not exactly a prime "replacement player".

[In58men]

Nelson with the jab

https://twitter.com/nelson_island/status/1087804460594876418?s=21

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190122/d9a4c53a985649ece4a27cd9e6a59ed6.jpg

[T-post Tom]

Doesn't seem like a good fit to me. I admire his disdain for the hooded one, but I'd rather have someone more "current".

[staylor26]

I bet Nelson did that because he knows he’s already gone anyways

No way he thinks we’re paying him what he wants

[JakeF]

If Rex gets it his staff could look something like this:

DC Rex
ILB Rob Ryan
OLB Mike Smith (played (Baltimore) and coached(NYJ)under Rex
DL Britt Reid
DBs/corners Al Harris
Safeties Ed Reed who coached as asst DBs with Rex at Buffalo
You really want to keep the same Defensive line, OLB and DB coaches?

Why not, the coaches we have already are doing such an awesome job. Just keep the same staff completely for consistency. :cuss:

[The Franchise]

I bet Nelson did that because he knows he’s already gone anyways

No way he thinks we’re paying him what he wants

Good....he doesn't fucking deserve it.

[hometeam]

I'm so fucking IN on Rex Ryan.

Hes the exact opposite of Sutton, except he still runs a scheme that can use what we have in personnel. No more silent dipshit on the sidelines, Rex will get up somebody's ass and hes proven.

Let's fucking go.

[Kman34]

Can Rex teach people how to run to the ball, shed blocks and tackle? That alone would be a huge improvement.

I don't know... I'd be happy with holding the opposing offense from converting a 3rd and 10.....

[ModSocks]

The Ravens defense is making everyone want Ryan.

We don't have Ed Reid or Ray Lewis on this defense.

We don't have Revis in his prime either.

[mcaj22]

That’s any defense though. Better players is going to mean better performance when all other factors (such as the DC) remain the same.

Someone else can run an offense similar to Andy Reid’s but that doesn’t mean they’re going to call games in the same manner or more importantly motivate players in the same way.

When have you ever heard someone say they loved playing for Bob Sutton or that he bred fire and confidence for a defense? We never have. And it shows on the field.

It's actually not just any defense though.

Cowboys had to completely change their defense because they knew their guys weren't developing under Rod Marinelli's outdated scheme, who you guessed it, road the coat tails of a talented early 00s Bucs defense no different than what Ryan/Sutton did with the Ravens/Jets.

Same thing is literally happening in KC.

[staylor26]

Good....he doesn't fucking deserve it.

Oh I know, just saying

[MahiMike]

Can you imagine Andy sharing a sideline with Rex?

We're gonna need a bigger sideline...

[booger]

You really want to keep the same Defensive line, OLB and DB coaches?

Why not, the coaches we have already are doing such an awesome job. Just keep the same staff completely for consistency. :cuss:

How do you know they’re bad at their job and if they can coach? They had little hand in game planning. I guess I’m not going to spend much time trying to explain this to you because it’s a waste of my time so I will be polite and agree to disagree

[BleedingRed]

It's actually not just any defense though.

Cowboys had to completely change their defense because they knew their guys weren't developing under Rod Marinelli's outdated scheme, who you guessed it, road the coat tails of a talented early 00s Bucs defense no different than what Ryan/Sutton did with the Ravens/Jets.

Same thing is literally happening in KC.

You have no clue what you are talking about...

Cowboys didn't completely change their defense. They just hit the jack pot when it came to draft picks.

Give me ONE of the Cowboys LBers and this defense would be miles different.

[jettio]

Not to make this a DC thread, but Rex Ryan sucked Donald Trump's dick in public and why would a team hire a guy like that to coach a defensive unit with black players.

[Sassy Squatch]

Not to make this a DC thread, but Rex Ryan sucked Donald Trump's dick in public and why would a team hire a guy like that to coach a defensive unit with black players.
Aw fuck, I can't believe you've done this.

[kcxiv]

Not to make this a DC thread, but Rex Ryan sucked Donald Trump's dick in public and why would a team hire a guy like that to coach a defensive unit with black players.

im the first one to say fuck trump, but just because someone is backing 1 person over another, doesnt mean i have to hate that person! If he can get the job done, then get em in here!

[keg in kc]

**** this hiring old guys shit. Successful offensive coaches are skewing younger league-wide, many of them doing things from the college playbook that the Rex Ryan's of the world have said for years wouldn't work in the NFL. We need to look for an innovator, someone who can figure out how to stop this new generation of coaches and quarterbacks. That's what it's going to take to turn our trip to the title game into the start of a trend, rather than a fluke, us the new face of the league.

[BleedingRed]

Not to make this a DC thread, but Rex Ryan sucked Donald Trump's dick in public and why would a team hire a guy like that to coach a defensive unit with black players.

Look at this racist.........

[mcaj22]

You have no clue what you are talking about...

Cowboys didn't completely change their defense. They just hit the jack pot when it came to draft picks.

Give me ONE of the Cowboys LBers and this defense would be miles different.

We literally just paid 45 million for ONE of the Cowboys LBers and this defense was absolutely terrible.

[BossChief]

You have no clue what you are talking about...

Cowboys didn't completely change their defense. They just hit the jack pot when it came to draft picks.

Give me ONE of the Cowboys LBers and this defense would be miles different.

Hitchens?

(Which was a beast in Dallas when he was healthy)

[BleedingRed]

We literally just paid 45 million for ONE of the Cowboys LBers and this defense was absolutely terrible.

Don't compare Hitchens to Sean Lee/ Jaylon Smith / The Dutchman.......


Hitchens was the WORST of that group. Not saying he is horrible. But common

[Jerm]

**** this hiring old guys shit. Successful offensive coaches are skewing younger league-wide, many of them doing things from the college playbook that the Rex Ryan's of the world have said for years wouldn't work in the NFL. We need to look for an innovator, someone who can figure out how to stop this new generation of coaches and quarterbacks. That's what it's going to take to turn our trip to the title game into the start of a trend, rather than a fluke, us the new face of the league.

Ok, who is that? Not being facetious either.

[mcaj22]

Don't compare Hitchens to Sean Lee/ Jaylon Smith / The Dutchman.......


Hitchens was the WORST of that group. Not saying he is horrible. But common

Okay so you want TWO Cowboys LBers then.

Hint: Two of those Cowboys LBers in the Ryan/Sutton scheme and this defense will STILL be terrible.

[BleedingRed]

Hitchens?

(Which was a beast in Dallas when he was healthy)

And he was a WLB in Dallas 4-3........ His success in or uniform is about who he is lined up next to.

We need a REAL MLB who can shoot gaps and eat blocks, not Ragland. Hitchens looked good because he played next to Sean Lee he was there for cleanup not to be the first there

[BleedingRed]

Okay so you want TWO Cowboys LBers then.

Hint: Two of those Cowboys LBers in the Ryan/Sutton scheme and this defense will STILL be terrible.

No he was never a MLB for the Cowboys save a few injury games. Hitchens is best used in shallow coverage playing clean up. Not attacking the LOS

[Beef Supreme]

People are going to shit on the idea but here’s why I think it’s solid.

Rex is a guy who will inspire the room. He will give them confidence and have them playing hard with swagger. That’s something we’ve lacked desperately the past few years.

"Play Harder" is not a good defensive scheme. I mean sure, yeah, do that and all, but how about putting people in a position to succeed.

[BleedingRed]

Rex Ryan makes adjustments.... Just saying

[pugsnotdrugs19]

"Play Harder" is not a good defensive scheme. I mean sure, yeah, do that and all, but how about putting people in a position to succeed.

It alone isn’t all you need but you do need it.

The greatest scheme in the world isn’t shit without effort and intensity.

[mcaj22]

Yea here was Rex Ryan's adjustments for 10 years

Adjustment 1: Ed Reed please take away half of the field.

or

Adjustment 2: Darrelle Revis please take away half of the field.

Ready, break.

[Boon]

No. To any Ryan. They are losers.

[Hammock Parties]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dxis1BOXcAAqc3Y.png

[BleedingRed]

Yea here was Rex Ryan's adjustments for 10 years

Adjustment 1: Ed Reed please take away half of the field.

or

Adjustment 2: Darrelle Revis please take away half of the field.

Ready, break.

God you're right the year they lost Revis they dropped to 22nd in passing defense! Oh but had 3rd best rushing defense.......

Again Ryan has never DCed a defense worse then 24th in points.

For those of you saying HELL NO to Rex Ryan I'd like to point out a couple of things..............

Rex Ryan's Worst:

Points = 24th

Rushing Defense = 29th

Passing Defense = 22nd

Yards = 19th

Below I have highlighted with green boxes EVERYTIME his defense was top 10 in each of those categories

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[Jerm]

Yea here was Rex Ryan's adjustments for 10 years

Adjustment 1: Ed Reed please take away half of the field.

or

Adjustment 2: Darrelle Revis please take away half of the field.

Ready, break.

So who do you want?

[chiefzilla1501]

It alone isn’t all you need but you do need it.

The greatest scheme in the world isn’t shit without effort and intensity.

That starts first with the players believing in their scheme.

I don't think Chris Jones will give any effort when he's forced into a 2-gap scheme. I don't think our players will give intensity if they're playing on their heels instead of attacking. They may be better coached. But it just seems like we're magnifying the same warts. Hell, even Sutton progressed his defense to get more pass rush from the front 7 instead of viewing the front 3 as a bunch of space eaters.

[BleedingRed]

So who do you want?

9 out of 12 years being top 10 in yards isn't good enough. I get the personality thing. But saying it Scheme, or Ryan Sucks is fucking dumb.

[St. Patty's Fire]

God you're right the year they lost Revis they dropped to 22nd in passing defense! Oh but had 3rd best rushing defense.......

Again Ryan has never DCed a defense worse then 24th in points.

So a top ten defense in at least ONE category every hear but one?

Pretty impressive.

[mcaj22]

So who do you want?

Anyone else and any other scheme than the one we saw for the last 6 years. (No Ryans, no Suttons, No Ravens, No Jets from the early/mid 00s.) It's 2019, that scheme is outdated and has not changed with the way the current game is played.

[Jerm]

9 out of 12 years being top 10 in yards isn't good enough. I get the personality thing. But saying it Scheme, or Ryan Sucks is fucking dumb.

The personality thing is dumb to me too...guys will kill themselves for him, he'll get more out of them than Bob Sutton or any other boring hire you bring in.

[BleedingRed]

So a top ten defense in at least ONE category every hear but one?

Pretty impressive.

Yeah and the year he wasn't was first year in Buffalo where he was middle of all the categories.....

[tk13]

This board is always way too obsessed with the Ryans. I don't get it. Other than that they're loud and outspoken, which people love. I mean we literally just had a DC who last worked under Rex Ryan. This has to be 100% Ryan or his agent telling Schefter he'd listen if the Chiefs came calling.

[BleedingRed]

Anyone else and any other scheme than the one we saw for the last 6 years. (No Ryans, no Suttons, No Ravens, No Jets from the early/mid 00s.) It's 2019, that scheme is outdated and has not changed with the way the current game is played.

You're wrong....... I don't know how many more ways I can say this. Scheme still works fine, adjusting it was the problem.

[BleedingRed]

This board is always way too obsessed with the Ryans. I don't get it. Other than that they're loud and outspoken, which people love. I mean we literally just had a DC who last worked under Rex Ryan.

And didn't have near the career success Ryan has had.

[mcaj22]

You're wrong....... I don't know how many more ways I can say this. Scheme still works fine, adjusting it was the problem.

Scheme is terrible. It relies on top end talent to execute. Has no flexibility to move people around. Players just stay in the same spot with the same responsibilities all game. That's how that scheme has always been minus a few outliers.

[BleedingRed]

Scheme is terrible. It relies on top end talent to execute. Has no flexibility to move people around. Players just stay in the same spot with the same responsibilities all game. That's how that scheme has always been minus a few outliers.

Again you are wrong, I don't blame you if you don't watch alot of football. But Ryan is known for his exotic blitz and defense alignments.

[mcaj22]

Again you are wrong, I don't blame you if you don't watch alot of football. But Ryan is known for his exotic blitz and defense alignments.

Which he needs top end talent to pull off. Which the Chiefs do not have.

[oldman]

If they change the scheme, rely on the KISS principle at first. Add the whistles and bells later. We can't have a repeat of guys wondering where they are supposed to be or what their assignment is.

[BleedingRed]

Which he needs top end talent to pull off. Which the Chiefs do not have.

Oh,

We do not have pass rushing talent? Interesting......... I mean I could have swore we did.

[chiefzilla1501]

Again you are wrong, I don't blame you if you don't watch alot of football. But Ryan is known for his exotic blitz and defense alignments.

Not in Buffalo. Complicated defense alignments. Very limited blitzing. Arguably got away with blitzing heavily in my because he knew Revis would shut his part of the field down.

[The Franchise]

Oh,

We do not have pass rushing talent? Interesting......... I mean I could have swore we did.

You've got Ford who is going to need a new contract, a highly paid pass rusher in Houston and Jones....who is going to need a new contract. So no....we're not exactly stacked right now.

[mcaj22]

Oh,

We do not have pass rushing talent? Interesting......... I mean I could have swore we did.

yea that talent really helped on Sunday to the tune of 0 sacks and you want to keep the scheme the same.

[crazycoffey]

Scheme is similar, so no big overhaul on personel.

Andy NEEDS a stronger presence for the D, and maybe an experienced voice in the film room to improve his play calling and clock management.

Del Rio fits this bill too.

Would rather get Brian Flores, since he’s listed as a LB coach for the patriots; a promotiond to DC for us would be great. But I hear he’s getting HC consideration.

But Ryan hates the patriots, so that’s nice.

IDK. I want the d to improve. We don’t have to be the best D, but fuck. When it’s not working for 4 quarters, can we get a guy who does something different? Rex just might fit that order.... so your research Clark/Andy. I’m not saying no to Rex, but there might be a better option.

How do we feel about Pagano, Kris Richard, Hell; anyone ok with singletary?

[KC Hawks]

Scheme is similar, so no big overhaul on personel.

Andy NEEDS a stronger presence for the D, and maybe an experienced voice in the film room to improve his play calling and clock management.

Del Rio fits this bill too.

Would rather get Brian Flores, since he’s listed as a LB coach for the patriots; a promotiond to DC for us would be great. But I hear he’s getting HC consideration.

But Ryan hates the patriots, so that’s nice.

IDK. I want the d to improve. We don’t have to be the best D, but fuck. When it’s not working for 4 quarters, can we get a guy who does something different? Rex just might fit that order.... so your research Clark/Andy. I’m not saying no to Rex, but there might be a better option.

How do we feel about Pagano, Kris Richard, Hell; anyone ok with singletary?

The Dolphins hired Flores as HC.

[tk13]

And didn't have near the career success Ryan has had.

What success is that? A dad who coached the greatest defense of all time?

He was a D-line coach of the 2000 Ravens who are in that conversation as well, but he didn't even lead that defense. Marvin Lewis did. He eventually became the DC but those teams were LOADED in talent.

And those are all great things, but are we really going to hire someone based on what they did over a decade ago?

His last 5 seasons as a head coach he didn't have a top 10 scoring defense. They finished 20, 19, 19, 15 and 16 in scoring defense. The last time he had a top ranked defense the league was entirely different than it is now. You would have been laughed out of the league for using college spread ideas in an NFL offense.

Even with the Jets as head coach, his team allowed an average of 27 points per game against the Patriots.

He gives a great press conference though! So that'll be great! Sign him up!

[BleedingRed]

yea that talent really helped on Sunday to the tune of 0 sacks and you want to keep the scheme the same.

Again because Bob made no adjustments......

[Sassy Squatch]

He's not Spagnuolo, Allen, or Pagano. You've sold me.

[crazycoffey]

The Dolphins hired Flores as HC.

I heard it was a possibility, not a done deal. Sooooo scratch him off the list. But he could’ve been a good hire.

[BleedingRed]

What success is that? A dad who coached the greatest defense of all time?

He was a D-line coach of the 2000 Ravens who are in that conversation as well, but he didn't even lead that defense. Marvin Lewis did. He eventually became the DC but those teams were LOADED in talent.

And those are all great things, but are we really going to hire someone based on what they did over a decade ago?

His last 5 seasons as a head coach he didn't have a top 10 scoring defense. They finished 20, 19, 19, 15 and 16 in scoring defense. The last time he had a top ranked defense the league was entirely different than it is now. You would have been laughed out of the league for using college spread ideas in an NFL offense.

Even with the Jets as head coach, his team allowed an average of 27 points per game against the Patriots.

He gives a great press conference though! So that'll be great! Sign him up!

You can’t just use points, hence why I should the full body of work.

[srvy]

CP just got it's offseason burst. We're about to be completely fucking divided on our DC.

What happened to anybody but Bob? Im just happy we moved on.

[BleedingRed]

Rex Ryan give us the best chance at turning things around next year. Period

Switching to a 4-3 is not a sure thing at all, and the coaches listed so far are shit.

[Hammock Parties]

2009 and 2010

Rex Ryan stopped Brady 3/4 times

[BleedingRed]

2009 and 2010

Rex Ryan stopped Brady 3/4 times


People will say Revis, I counter that argument with Sanchez..

If you think Ryan’s defense didn’t adjust in game, in season I dn man.

[tk13]

Let's hire Gunther! He's available. He has a good track record. Third time's a charm!

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I’m fine with Rex. Would even like it. I’m good with about anyone.

No hire is going to be unanimously liked, but I think some are a little ridiculous with their expectations. Like Richard isn’t leaving Dallas for example.

[BleedingRed]

I’m fine with Rex. Would even like it. I’m good with about anyone.

No hire is going to be unanimously liked, but I think some are a little ridiculous with their expectations. Like Richard isn’t leaving Dallas for example.

Not to mention switching to a 4-3 will likely lead to a rebuild on defense

[tk13]

2009 and 2010

Rex Ryan stopped Brady 3/4 times

That was his first two years in NY, and a decade ago.

In his final four seasons, he went 1-7 against Brady and his defenses allowed over 28 ppg.

[OnTheWarpath15]

2009 and 2010

Rex Ryan stopped Brady 3/4 times

Good thing the game hasn't changed AT ALL in the last decade, amiright?

[PAChiefsGuy]

I'd love the hire. He'd bring a much needed attitude to this team and the guy is a good DC. Hope it happens.

[BleedingRed]

Good thing the game hasn't changed AT ALL in the last decade, amiright?

Find a better 3-4 coach because fuck rebuilding

[In58men]

Mike Singletary?

Discuss

[hometeam]

Not to make this a DC thread, but Rex Ryan sucked Donald Trump's dick in public and why would a team hire a guy like that to coach a defensive unit with black players.

Not everyone lives in an insane little leftist bubble. Nobody gives a fuck, even 'black players'.

[BleedingRed]

Mike Singletary?

Discuss

4-3 pass

[crazycoffey]

Not to make this a DC thread, but Rex Ryan sucked Donald Trump's dick in public and why would a team hire a guy like that to coach a defensive unit with black players.

Irrelevant as fuck all for the sports world. Like him or hate him, he’s the president. Next issue; who’s a good defensive mind to bring in to KC? Could it be ryan? IDK, but if he’s not the right choice, who he voted for is the least of our concern.

[RealSNR]

It would be really funny to have two coaches as fat as Reid and Ryan.

Eric Bienemy ain't exactly his old self these days, either.

[Sassy Squatch]

That would have to be the thickest sideline in the NFL.

[Kiimo]

This is like hiring Gruden as head coach or Charlie Weis as OC.

[FringeNC]

I think the Bills still owe $5 million to Rex next year. Aren't there usually offsets in those contracts? Why would he take the job?

[2112]

Rex is overrated. The Jets defense started declining when Mike Pettine left and Rex took over the play calling on D. Do you know how many times the Jets got flagged for 12 men on the field on defense when they were in the red zone? And that all started when Pettine left.

Bottom line is that the Patriots very rarely (if ever) beat themselves. You have to play smart to beat them in a big game. No lining up offside and you win the game

[Warrior5]

Hell no to Ryan.

[BleedingRed]

Rex is overrated. The Jets defense started declining when Mike Pettine left and Rex took over the play calling on D. Do you know how many times the Jets got flagged for 12 men on the field on defense when they were in the red zone? And that all started when Pettine left.

Bottom line is that the Patriots very rarely (if ever) beat themselves. You have to play smart to beat them in a big game. No lining up offside and you win the game

Statically he isn’t 9-12 years top 10

[FAX]

I seriously don't understand why anybody would unearth Rex Ryan again. He probably doesn't even know what a bunch formation is. They didn't have such a thing when he was reaching for the Peter Principle.

Good god.

FAX

[2112]

Statically he isn’t 9-12 years top 10

A lot of that was with the Ravens. How did their D drop off the cliff after he left?

He was all about statistics lol lots of penalties too. And dumb ones.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

In an interview with ESPN's Josina Anderson, Bills defensive tackle Marcell Dareus said that "everybody's job is on the line" on the team.

"I like Rex, personally," Dareus said. "I don't like to see anyone get fired.

"Everyone is fighting for their position, so we're at a point where we have to make a change."

Asked why he thought the Bills' defense seemed to regress under Ryan, Dareus told Anderson that he believes "we should've been more aggressive on defense ... because that's the kind of players we have."

"We want to put our foot on the pedal and keep it down knowing what we're doing and being strategic on what we're doing," Dareus said. "Not trying to match up with this team or that team. We want to have our identity [knowing] this is who we are and what we're going to do."

Dareus indicated Ryan's defense was too complicated.

"It was just too much detail for a lot of guys, and I feel like for a lot of guys it was too much going on for them to check here and check there, if this happens and that happens," he said. "Then nine times out of 10, a team will throw something out there that we weren't prepared for -- and then the adjustment to it we had to get used to and try to make it happen and make plays."

"Too complicated. Not aggressive enough."

Fuck. No.

Pretty much this. I love the guy and his attitude, no doubt. I definitely want more fire, blood, and guts on this defense. That said, I want the 3-4 dead, buried, and gone more than I want Rex Ryan.

And I've got some news for people wringing hands about "rebuilding":

THIS DEFENSE FINISHED AT #31. WE ARE REBUILDING WHETHER ITS A 3-4 OR A 4-3.

So there's that.

[BleedingRed]

A lot of that was with the Ravens. How did their D drop off the cliff after he left?

He was all about statistics lol lots of penalties too. And dumb ones.

I’ve posted the analytics multiple times, and you are wrong.

[gblowfish]

Rex Ryan's favorite song!
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[Titty Meat]

Here’s why I’d be happy bringing in Rex Ryan to coach the defense...

1st is we wouldn’t need to overhaul the entire defense as the schemes are similar...but the philosophy is different.

Bob Sutton’s years as NYJs DC team rankings

First year
13th yards ...6th in points
2nd year
18th yards...19th points
3rd year
17th yards...18th points

Rex Ryan takes over HC the following year in09

1st year
1st in yards...1st in points

2nd year
3rd in yards....6th in points

Drastic and immediate improvement

More stats to come on why I think Rex would be a good hire...

What were Suttons first 4 years like here? Rex's ending looks very similar to Suttons if you look at his last few years in NY and his time in Buffalo.

[2112]

I’ve posted the analytics multiple times, and you are wrong.

He took over the number one defense in Buffalo in 2014. How were the stats in 2015 and 2016 after he took over?

[suzzer99]

Ryan/Sutton have been propped up by

Ray Lewis - > David Harris - > Derrick Johnson
Ed Reed-> Darrelle Revis -> Eric Berry
Suggs -> Calvin Pace -> Justin Houston/Tamba Hali
Haloti Ngata ->Kris Jenkins/Ellis->Poe/Jones

do you see a theme forming. This scheme and these retread coaches have been propped up by some of the best talent on defense in the entire league for the last 15 years. They are literally fools gold. They ran all these guys into the ground and shaved years off their careers in this scheme. Think about when all these guys hit a wall they were basically toast besides Suggs and Lewis cause they are freaks. Berry is going out the same way Revis and Ed Reed did. Houston is going out the same way Pace and Hali did. All those d-lineman blew out their backs in this crap scheme.

When this scheme doesn't have the all pro talent it is absolutely terrible. The Chiefs aren't getting the next Ray Lewis or Darrelle Revis to walk through that door in 1 offseason. The scheme needs to be thrown away.

This. The big take now is that Rex's scheme needs studs to work right.

Well duh. What scheme doesn't work with studs all over the place?

[BleedingRed]

He took over the number one defense in Buffalo in 2014. How were the stats in 2015 and 2016 after he took over?

Great point! He took 4-3 personal and tried to make them work in a 3-4 scheme! It didn’t work out great, YET he still did considerable better than Bob Sutton ever did.

So you made two crucial points by pointing this out!

Switches from 3-4 to 4-3 with current personal will hurt! But with the right coach you can still be better than one of the worst in the NFL!


Thank you

[chiefzilla1501]

Great point! He took 4-3 personal and tried to make them work in a 3-4 scheme! It didn’t work out great, YET he still did considerable better than Bob Sutton ever did.

So you made two crucial points by pointing this out!

Switches from 3-4 to 4-3 with current personal will hurt! But with the right coach you can still be better than one of the worst in the NFL!


Thank you

Is he built for the new NFL?

The new NFL is built on fast offenses. Ryan's front 3 is built on space eaters instead of DTs that collapse the pocket. He doesn't use his edge rushers well. Quick DT and edge rush pressure is crucial in today's league. He uses tons of exotic blitzes which might not be realistic in a quick offense (and has it ever worked without Revis)? He's dime-heavy which as we saw through Sutton really struggled with the new emphasis on PI & def holding. And 3-4 defenses are adding a ton of speed to their ILBs to account for the spread which isn't a signature of his defense either. And arguably defenses these days need to attack vs. the complicated read and react Ryan's been criticized for these days.

Can he adapt his scheme to the new NFL? Didn't seem that way in Buffalo. But yeah, he's a good enough coach and mind that if he can, I'm all for it. But those things worry the hell out of me.

[mcaj22]

Rex Ryan and his outdated scheme is not built for the new NFL and has not shown any signs that he is.

[Chris Meck]

Big ego guys don't usually change much.

[jaa1025]

Rex Ryan and his outdated scheme is not built for the new NFL and has not shown any signs that he is.

The Chiefs defense under Sutton was not the same defense Rex Ryan ran. Look at the Ravens defense. That's a Rex Ryan defense. Aggressive!!!

[jaa1025]

Great point! He took 4-3 personal and tried to make them work in a 3-4 scheme! It didn’t work out great, YET he still did considerable better than Bob Sutton ever did.

So you made two crucial points by pointing this out!

Switches from 3-4 to 4-3 with current personal will hurt! But with the right coach you can still be better than one of the worst in the NFL!


Thank you

I think that's what a lot of people don't understand. They completely switched defensive fronts and that can take a few years.

[Chris Meck]

I think that's what a lot of people don't understand. They completely switched defensive fronts and that can take a few years.

it CAN, if you're stuck with the same personnel.

We're literally in a moment in which we need to either pay a ton of money to keep guys we have, or free up enough money to go get guys we need.

This is literally the best time to make a switch, if they want to make it. pros and cons either way.

But you cut Houston and Berry June 1 and you can afford to get guys to fit your schematic changes, whatever they may be if you want to.

If not, and you keep them and pay Ford, you're running out of money quick to upgrade.

[Why Not?]

I don’t give a shit if it’s Rex Tillerson or Nolan Ryan. It won’t be Bob Sutton and that’s good enough for me

[Rawlsian]

Gregg Williams would be nice. Maybe the players will stop playing so soft

[DRM08]

The Chiefs defense under Sutton was not the same defense Rex Ryan ran. Look at the Ravens defense. That's a Rex Ryan defense. Aggressive!!!

Ravens also had a loaded roster of guys who knew how to tackle and cover receivers.

[Why Not?]

Gregg Williams would be nice. Maybe the players will stop playing so soft

About 2 weeks to late. He’s the DC of the Jets

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Kris Richard please.

[Rawlsian]

About 2 weeks to late. He’s the DC of the Jets

Well, crap.

[BossChief]

Ravens also had a loaded roster of guys who knew how to tackle and cover receivers.

Ahem...they were coached that way. Developed. Put in positions to succeed.

[chiefzilla1501]

The Chiefs defense under Sutton was not the same defense Rex Ryan ran. Look at the Ravens defense. That's a Rex Ryan defense. Aggressive!!!

The Defense Sutton originally installed was not all that different. We blitzed heavily the first few years. The new NFL is built around pushing the pocket into the QB as fast as possible. Speed off the edges. Speed at LB to cover the distance of a spread offense. An attack mentality vs. read and react. Arguably, the Chiefs are further along than Ryan's Defense. They got rid of a few of those things. If Ryan comes back, he has to do something really different than what's he done in the past. He can't rely on 2-gap. Can't do that read and react shit. Has to cut down Dime. Has to prioritize speed over size.

[FloridaMan88]

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[Hoover]

maybe he can alter that tat of his to look like Mahomes

[jaa1025]

The Defense Sutton originally installed was not all that different. We blitzed heavily the first few years. The new NFL is built around pushing the pocket into the QB as fast as possible. Speed off the edges. Speed at LB to cover the distance of a spread offense. An attack mentality vs. read and react. Arguably, the Chiefs are further along than Ryan's Defense. They got rid of a few of those things. If Ryan comes back, he has to do something really different than what's he done in the past. He can't rely on 2-gap. Can't do that read and react shit. Has to cut down Dime. Has to prioritize speed over size.

Maybe. I do remember it being more aggressive but over the last few seasons, it really resembled nothing like a Rex Ryan defense. However, Sutton's defense has always been bend but don't break in KC. Rex Ryan's weren't. Buffalo's issue was because of switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4 IMO.

I'll keep going back to the Ravens, who IMO, have the best defense in football. That is a Rex Ryan Defense. They are an ultra aggressive team that attacks like no one's business. They have no stars in the defensive backfield. Their MLB is a stud though. Suggs is older and not as dominant, but still a good player. They are just very well coached.

Rex Ryan is an alpha male coach; Bob Sutton is a beta male. With Reid giving complete defensive authority to the DC you need that alpha. This defense needs someone to get in their asses when they make a mistake or go off script. It needs discipline and solid coaching. It needs someone that can put the players in a position to win.

Rex Ryan has vaulted to my #1 choice. (It can change though because I was high on Spags for a few hours now I'm very low on him)

[chiefzilla1501]

Maybe. I do remember it being more aggressive but over the last few seasons, it really resembled nothing like a Rex Ryan defense. However, Sutton's defense has always been bend but don't break in KC. Rex Ryan's weren't. Buffalo's issue was because of switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4 IMO.

I'll keep going back to the Ravens, who IMO, have the best defense in football. That is a Rex Ryan Defense. They are an ultra aggressive team that attacks like no one's business. They have no stars in the defensive backfield. Their MLB is a stud though. Suggs is older and not as dominant, but still a good player. They are just very well coached.

Rex Ryan is an alpha male coach; Bob Sutton is a beta male. With Reid giving complete defensive authority to the DC you need that alpha. This defense needs someone to get in their asses when they make a mistake or go off script. It needs discipline and solid coaching. It needs someone that can put the players in a position to win.

Rex Ryan has vaulted to my #1 choice. (It can change though because I was high on Spags for a few hours now I'm very low on him)

The write-up on what went wrong in Buffalo has a great point. Ryan's blitz schemes were built for pocket QBs who go back on 5-step, 7-step drops. Today's NFL that ball is out in less than a few seconds. Those blitzes are way too slow developing and without a Revis to block off an entire part of the field, how good effective are they really. We need DTs that push the pocket into the QB, not space eaters and Mike Devitos. We need undersized speed guys like Mosley, not thumpers like Ragland (yup, Ryan not only drafted him... he begged for him) and Bart Scott.

Now if we're talking about the new look Ravens defense, I'm 100% for it and ecstatic we're talking to Chris Hewitt. But the Ryan scheme is obsolete unless he changes something.

[cdcox]

People are going to shit on the idea but here’s why I think it’s solid.

Rex is a guy who will inspire the room. He will give them confidence and have them playing hard with swagger. That’s something we’ve lacked desperately the past few years.

On the few occasions that Hitchens made any kind of play on Sunday he was strutting and preening like Nature Boy Kirby. I was embarrassed for him. Swagger is the least of our problems.

[Katie]

Rex and Andy co-existing.

[Chris Meck]

That's just not going to happen. Ryan's not going to mesh with Reid.

[2112]

Gregg Williams would be nice. Maybe the players will stop playing so soft

He got hired by the Jets

[Dr. Yu Weed Tard]

The write-up on what went wrong in Buffalo has a great point. Ryan's blitz schemes were built for pocket QBs who go back on 5-step, 7-step drops. Today's NFL that ball is out in less than a few seconds. Those blitzes are way too slow developing and without a Revis to block off an entire part of the field, how good effective are they really. We need DTs that push the pocket into the QB, not space eaters and Mike Devitos. We need undersized speed guys like Mosley, not thumpers like Ragland (yup, Ryan not only drafted him... he begged for him) and Bart Scott.

Now if we're talking about the new look Ravens defense, I'm 100% for it and ecstatic we're talking to Chris Hewitt. But the Ryan scheme is obsolete unless he changes something.
this.

NO OLD DCs.

NO RETREADS.

[FringeNC]

The write-up on what went wrong in Buffalo has a great point. Ryan's blitz schemes were built for pocket QBs who go back on 5-step, 7-step drops. Today's NFL that ball is out in less than a few seconds. Those blitzes are way too slow developing and without a Revis to block off an entire part of the field, how good effective are they really. We need DTs that push the pocket into the QB, not space eaters and Mike Devitos. We need undersized speed guys like Mosley, not thumpers like Ragland (yup, Ryan not only drafted him... he begged for him) and Bart Scott.

Now if we're talking about the new look Ravens defense, I'm 100% for it and ecstatic we're talking to Chris Hewitt. But the Ryan scheme is obsolete unless he changes something.

I think that's right about Ryan's D (and Sutton's) not working any more. The ball is out too quickly. We're almost certainly not going to have a dominant D, no matter who we hire and what players we draft/sign, given the new rules and the quick releases. We just need a D that can confuse the O enough to generate some TOs and three and outs. Additionally, I'd play aggressive and error on the side of allowing big plays. With our O, we just don't want 8 minutes drives against us.

[BleedingRed]

9 of 12 years coaching having a top 10 defense

[rico]

I’m all about it for 3 reasons:

1.) He is an obvious bright defensive mind.

2.) He can be funny/entertaining... I love hearing him talk shit to the players from the sideline.

3.) The media likes to keep up with his shenanigans. The little extra media attention he will bring to the team by simply being himself would be great... I want the Chiefs to attain as much media attention as possible. Keep the Chiefs in a spot where they are too interesting and entertaining to where your big sports news networks have no choice but to routinely cover the Chiefs because the average fan wants to see it. Keep that bandwagon going. And in order to do so, gotta keep the Chiefs interesting, entertaining and a perennial threat to win. I want the Chiefs to become the premier football darlings of the Midwest in this generation that will spawn fans from all over the country who will have kids who will be Chiefs fans because their dads became Chiefs fans during the exciting Mahomes era. Kind of like the widespread fan base the Packers and Steelers have... or hell, the Cowboys. Tons of Cowboys, Steelers and Packers fans all over the place today because they had fans from around the nation who joined the bandwagon when they were hot... I want the Chiefs to have an era like that, where they were so good and entertaining, that a ton of people became Chiefs fans and stayed that way for generations. It seems like with those types of teams (the traditional powerhouses), that there is more of a consistent push to keep these teams relevant. I want the Chiefs to have an era where they are so good, that they will be infinitely relevant to the general spectator.

And what’s better way to receive the torch... The clash of the legend and the future at QB. The whole Gronk-Kelce thing. Reid, being a likable guy and a notoriously creative coach with his offense. And the whole Bellichik-Rex Ryan rivalry would be icing on the cake and something the NFL would run with... with all the shit that they’ve talked to each other, hell...there wouldn’t be a much more satisfying way to ending the Patriots reign with Mahomes-Reid-Ryan... a win like that would make up for this past weekend.

[Coogs]

I don't know how Rex and Rob Ryan's defenses compare, but Rob's was pretty much crap in Dallas and New Orleans. I apologize if someone has already mentioned this. I have not read the thread.

[BleedingRed]

I don't know how Rex and Rob Ryan's defenses compare, but Rob's was pretty much crap in Dallas and New Orleans. I apologize if someone has already mentioned this. I have not read the thread.

Simple answer is they don’t compare, Rex has always been the better coach

[Coogs]

Simple answer is they don’t compare, Rex has always been the better coach

While the second part is probably accurate, I'm guessing there are more similarities than differences within the scheme/philosophy of the defense.

[BleedingRed]

While the second part is probably accurate, I'm guessing there are more similarities than differences within the scheme/philosophy of the defense.

There are,

But the Scheme is not the problem, the adjustments were.

Rob Ryan was never good at making adjustments in game, he was just a rah rah guy.

Rex Ryan has proven to make many adjustments to game plans during and before. Not only that he does have ahead Coaching exp, so Andy can keep sitting on bench with Mahome and Rex can take over.

People claiming these schemes are old and don’t work don’t know football. Wade Phillips scheme hasn’t changed at all, but he can make adjustments.

[BleedingRed]

Hell Patriots have played the same defense for years! And they have way less talent now then they did early 2000s but somehow they always “take away what you do best” because they make ADJUSTMENTS

If that doesn’t explain how it’s not the scheme and it’s all coaching I don’t know what else will

[Coogs]

There are,

But the Scheme is not the problem, the adjustments were.

Rob Ryan was never good at making adjustments in game, he was just a rah rah guy.

Rex Ryan has proven to make many adjustments to game plans during and before. Not only that he does have ahead Coaching exp, so Andy can keep sitting on bench with Mahome and Rex can take over.

People claiming these schemes are old and don’t work don’t know football. Wade Phillips scheme hasn’t changed at all, but he can make adjustments.

Fair enough.

[Chris Meck]

We were 31st in defense with 3 #1 picks, 4 #2 picks, Houston and a bunch of #3 picks. That's bottom feeder results with pretty good talent level.

Coaching and scheme are really fucking important.

[BleedingRed]

We were 31st in defense with 3 #1 picks, 4 #2 picks, Houston and a bunch of #3 picks. That's bottom feeder results with pretty good talent level.

Coaching and scheme are really ****ing important.

Agreed,

But scheme doesn’t have anything to do with Bob playing cover 2 3 times in a row on 3rd and 10. That’s fucking coaching.

[chiefzilla1501]

There are,

But the Scheme is not the problem, the adjustments were.

Rob Ryan was never good at making adjustments in game, he was just a rah rah guy.

Rex Ryan has proven to make many adjustments to game plans during and before. Not only that he does have ahead Coaching exp, so Andy can keep sitting on bench with Mahome and Rex can take over.

People claiming these schemes are old and don’t work don’t know football. Wade Phillips scheme hasn’t changed at all, but he can make adjustments.

What is an adjustment you saw from Rex Ryan make that shows he's adapted his defense to the new NFL offense?

[BleedingRed]

What is an adjustment you saw from Rex Ryan make that shows he's adapted his defense to the new NFL offense?

Do you think Tom Brady just recently started throwing short and fast?

[Chris Meck]

Agreed,

But scheme doesn’t have anything to do with Bob playing cover 2 3 times in a row on 3rd and 10. That’s ****ing coaching.

um, no. That's literally the scheme. It's the coverage he called, which is...the scheme. The plan. Synonyms. Words that mean the same thing.

coaching deficiency is when guys don't know where to line up. Or when to release, or how to mirror, or what hole to fill. We have that problem too.

[BleedingRed]

um, no. That's literally the scheme. It's the coverage he called, which is...the scheme. The plan. Synonyms. Words that mean the same thing.

coaching deficiency is when guys don't know where to line up. Or when to release, or how to mirror, or what hole to fill. We have that problem too.

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Coaching is knowing what play to call and when too, Yes the defense he played was PART OF THE SCHEME but it was the wrong part of the scheme to be using.

That falls on coaching, Coaches make the defensive calls. The fact we didn't play cover 0, or use double teams falls on coaching.

[chiefforlife]

I dont see us hiring a young up and comer DC for two reasons.

1) We dont have time to wait and see if he can do it, we are a win now team.

2) We dont have a defensive HC that he could lean on.

This will probably be someone like Rex who can completely take the defense over and improve it immediately. Our current D being a Rex scheme already, just makes even more sense for hiring Rex.

[jettio]

Irrelevant as **** all for the sports world. Like him or hate him, he’s the president. Next issue; who’s a good defensive mind to bring in to KC? Could it be ryan? IDK, but if he’s not the right choice, who he voted for is the least of our concern.

it's not that Rex Ryan voted for Trump. It is that he had the bad judgment to suck Trump's dick in public.

Why would Andy Reid, Brett Veach and Clark Hunt want to hire an attention whore DC who thinks he could be a HC, and who decided to be political and support a blowhard incompetent?

And if Marcus Peters's demonstration during national anthem was any factor at all in his being traded, then you definitely do not bring in an asshole like Rex Ryan who supports a retard white supremacist who shuts down the government for reasons nobody knows.

I hope the team that is stupid enough to court Rex Ryan as a possible hire gets the blowback deserved and then watch Rex Ryan totally disavow Trump in order to get a job. Say some shit like he did not know Trump was a racist.

[BryanBusby]

I know this won't be popular, but I don't think wethers scheme was nfl record breaking shit.

He just allowed all of his players to loaf and not really gave a shit and they fundamentally fucked shit up all the time. I mean how many times were players put into position to make a play and they just aborted it?

Get me the guy that can get the players to not fuck their assignment up the most. He was too lazy to adjust to anything, change anything up or teach his guys what to do and not do in those circumstances.

[UChieffyBugger]

I still think Rex is the man for the job. He knows the Afc very well and the scheme/players are already in place for him to come in and hit the road running. Spags system would bring along big changes that could be a disaster with the current personel we have tbh.

[mcaj22]

Do you think Tom Brady just recently started throwing short and fast?

Wait, are you saying the reason Tom Brady is throwing short and fast is because of Rex Ryan and not because of his knowledge/experience, age, declining arm strength and his awareness to change and adapt his game as he gets older? If so then LOL

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

it's not that Rex Ryan voted for Trump. It is that he had the bad judgment to suck Trump's dick in public.

Why would Andy Reid, Brett Veach and Clark Hunt want to hire an attention whore DC who thinks he could be a HC, and who decided to be political and support a blowhard incompetent?

And if Marcus Peters's demonstration during national anthem was any factor at all in his being traded, then you definitely do not bring in an asshole like Rex Ryan who supports a retard white supremacist who shuts down the government for reasons nobody knows.

I hope the team that is stupid enough to court Rex Ryan as a possible hire gets the blowback deserved and then watch Rex Ryan totally disavow Trump in order to get a job. Say some shit like he did not know Trump was a racist.

Keep this bullshit in DC where it belongs.

[chiefzilla1501]

Do you think Tom Brady just recently started throwing short and fast?

There once was a time when we frustrated the hell out of New England too. First, the spread has become extremely sophisticated thanks to Andy Reid. You remember 2 or 3 years ago when we were running a ton of Dime. A staple in the Rex Ryan defense. Press coverage was getting slaughtered by pick plays. But the biggest issue came 2 years ago when the league started ticky tacking defensive holding and DPI to try to get offense going again. Hard to press receivers. Hard to not commit DPI when your defense depends on staying in coverage for a while. Also doesn't help that we don't have a Darrel Revis who would literally take away an entire part of the field, which allowed Ryan to send tons of blitzers. Without Revis, his scheme looked a lot like Sutton's in Buffalo... passive on the blitz, relying on long coverage to frustrate a QB.

[AssEaterChief]

There is no case... he'd be a poor candidate for this job, unless he is bringing a young David Harris and a young Darelle Revis in with him. This team needs discipline and Rex is a head case.

It would be fun to see him and Reid in the buffet line together though..