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MAHOMO 4 LIFE!
01-22-2019, 04:43 PM
The Chiefs fell just short of returning to the Super Bowl for the first time in 49 years with a 37-31 overtime loss to the Patriots in the AFC Championship Game. An offside penalty by Pro Bowl outside linebacker Dee Ford with one minute left in the fourth quarter while Kansas City had a 28-24 lead negated an interception by Patriots quarterback Tom Brady that seemingly would have sealed a victory.

Overall, the 2018 season can be considered a success. A third-straight AFC West crown was captured with 12 regular-season wins. The Chiefs hadn't advanced to the AFC title game since the 1993 season, when the legendary Joe Montana was quarterback.

Second-year quarterback Patrick Mahomes, the 10th-overall pick in the 2017 NFL draft, entered the season as an unproven commodity. He became the game's brightest young star with one of the most prolific passing seasons in NFL history. Mahomes was the second quarterback to ever throw for at least 50 touchdowns and 5,000 yards in the same regular season, joining Peyton Manning, who accomplished the feat in 2013. He earned first-team All-Pro honors and is expected to be named league MVP on Super Bowl weekend.

Here's a look at what lies ahead for the Chiefs.

Defensive coaching changes

Defensive coordinator Bob Sutton was fired on Tuesday, bringing his six-year tenure in Kansas City to an end. Sutton oversaw a unit which ranked 31st in the NFL in total defense, giving up 405.5 yards per game. Although the Chiefs tied for the league lead with 52 sacks, it was 31st in pass defense, allowing 273.4 yards per game. The run defense didn't fare much better. Kansas City was 27th, with opponents gaining 132.1 yards per game on the ground. Only the Rams were worse than the Chiefs on running plays; K.C. allowed five yards per carry. Kansas City also ranked 26th in defensive efficiency, according to Football Outsiders.

Salary cap

The Chiefs have $159.85 million of 2019 salary-cap commitments with 44 players under contract, according to NFLPA data. Under offseason cap accounting rules, the top 51 salaries (i.e. cap numbers) matter. Just over $715,000 of unused cap room, which is the NFL's second-smallest amount, can be carried over to the upcoming league year.

The NFL's preliminary projections put the 2019 salary cap between $187 million and $191.1 million. The Chiefs will have approximately $26.7 million cap space after factoring in a full complement of players, the carryover of existing cap room, and once tenders for restricted free agents and exclusive rights players with expiring contracts as well as the proven performance escalator for eligible 2016 draft picks are taken into consideration, provided the salary cap is set at $190 million.

Kansas City is top heavy cap-wise. Five players with cap numbers over $10 million are taking up a combined $81,168,400 of cap space. That's slightly over 50 percent of Kansas City's current 2019 cap commitments.

Four players have one of the NFL's five-highest 2019 cap numbers at their respective positions. Outside linebacker Justin Houston has the team's biggest cap number at $21.1 million. It's the fourth-highest figure in the NFL among non-quarterbacks.

Houston's ability isn't the issue. It's his availability. He has missed 21 games in the four seasons since signing a contract in 2015 that made him the NFL's second-highest-paid non-quarterback, including four in the middle of this season with a hamstring injury. Trading or releasing the 30 year old would free up $14 million of cap space.

The Chiefs would have to be comfortable with 2018 second-round pick Breeland Speaks assuming a much bigger role next season in order to part ways with Houston. Speaks started in place of Houston during the four games Houston missed while injured.

Wide receiver Sammy Watkins has the third-biggest wide receiver cap number at $19.2 million. When he signed his three-year, $48 million contract as a free agent last March, $8.21 million of his $11.95 million 2019 base salary was fully guaranteed . Restructuring Watkins' contract for cap purposes would make it more difficult for the Chiefs to move on in 2020, when his $14 million salary doesn't have any guarantees because the $7 million in bonus proration attributed to that year would increase.

The Chiefs haven't gotten much return on their investment in three-time first team All-Pro safety Eric Berry since he signed a six-year, $78 million contract in 2017 to become the NFL's highest-paid safety. He ruptured his left Achilles tendon in the 2017 season opener. A heel injury, which may require surgery, limited Berry to two games this game this season before his return for the AFC Championship.

Berry's $16.5 million 2019 cap number is second among safeties. When he signed his deal, $10.2 million of Berry's $12.4 million 2019 base salary was guaranteed for injury. Last march, $2.95 million of the $10.2 million became fully guaranteed. The remaining $7.25 million is fully guaranteed on the third day of the 2019 league year, which is March 15.

The Chiefs could potentially pick up $9.55 million of cap space by releasing Berry with a post-June 1 designation before the March 15 guarantee date for the $7.25 million. NFL teams can release two players each league year prior to June 1 that will be treated under the cap as if they were released after June 1. With a post-June 1 designation, a team is required to carry the player's full cap number until June 2 even though he is no longer a part of the roster. The player's salary comes off the books at that time unless it is guaranteed. Kansas City would have $6.95 million of dead money, which is cap charge for a player no longer on a team's roster, for 2019. Berry would remain on Kansas City's books in 2020 with an $8 million cap charge that would relate to his $20 million signing bonus.

The heel surgery could compromise Kansas City's ability to release Berry in this manner. An inability to pass a physical by March 15 could put the Chiefs on the hook for $7.25 million depending on the actual language of Berry's injury guarantee. If that's case, only $2.3 million would 2019 cap space would be gained from the post-June 1 designation.

Pro Bowl left tackle Eric Fisher has Kansas City's fourth-biggest cap number at $13.65 million. Three-time All-Pro tight end Travis Kelce's $10,718,400 cap number is the fourth-largest in the league at his position.

Dee Ford's next deal

Ford picked the right time to start living up to the potential that made him the 23rd overall pick in the 2014 draft. The outside linebacker had a breakout season with an expiring contract, which followed an injury-plagued 2017.

Ford's six sacks and four forced fumbles in five October games helped him garner AFC Defensive Player of the Month honors. His 78 quarterback pressures according to Pro Football Focus were third in the NFL and first among edge rushers. He also tied for eighth in the NFL with a career-high 13 sacks.

Ford is a prime candidate for a franchise tag because his 2018 play is an outlier and the immense importance of players who can pressure opposing quarterbacks. The linebacker number is expected to be approximately $15.6 million, with the 2019 salary cap projected to be in the $190 million range. Putting a franchise tag on Ford would reduce Kansas City's cap space to the $11 million neighborhood.

Any reluctance by the Chiefs to hand Ford a lucrative multi-year contract would be justifiable, given that his play this season is an outlier. Ford would be in such high demand if the Chiefs let him hit the open market because he is a highly productive pass rusher in his prime that he would quickly join Aaron Donald, the reigning NFL Defensive Player of the Year, and Khalil Mack, who won the award in 2016, in the $20 million per year non-quarterback club.

A long-term deal will likely require a bigger commitment by the Chiefs than the one made to Houston in 2015, when he was Kansas City's franchise player. Houston, who was coming off a 2014 season in which he came close to breaking Michael Strahan's single-season record of 22.5 sacks by posting an NFL-leading 22 sacks, signed a six-year contract averaging $16,833,333 per year with $52.5 million in guarantees. The deal, which was done when the salary cap was $143.28 million, is outdated in the current pass-rusher market. It averages over $22 million per year if adjusted to the expected 2019 salary cap environment.

Free agency

The Chiefs have 14 other unrestricted free agents besides Ford, including defensive lineman Allen Bailey, wide receiver Chris Conley, center Mitch Morse, cornerback Steven Nelson, cornerback Orlando Scandrick and fullback Anthony Sherman. Two players, safety Jordan Lucas and linebacker Terrence Smith, are restricted free agents. Lucas is the more likely of two to receive the lowest restricted free agent tender, which should be in the $2.05 million range.

Kansas City probably won't be major players in free agency because of their cap circumstances, especially if Ford is given a franchise tag, although an impact signing on defense could be made by utilizing the same contract structure as with wide receiver Jeremy Maclin in 2015. The Chiefs were able to fit Maclin into a tight cap situation by giving him a contract with a low first-year cap number and a second-year cap figure almost four times as much.

The best bet for the Chiefs to address defensive deficiencies is through the draft. The Chiefs have three of the first 64 picks, where two are in the second round thanks to trading cornerback Marcus Peters to the Rams in the offseason.

Six-time Pro Bowl safety Earl Thomas was reportedly on Kansas City's radar screen for a trade before he broke his leg four games into the season. He was playing at a Defensive Player of the Year level prior to his season ending injury. Thomas' contract, which is expiring, made him the NFL's highest-paid safety when signed. Expecting the same thing with a new contract in free agency wouldn't be surprising. The addition of a high priced Thomas would probably mean the Chiefs were able to get the desired cap relief from making Berry a post-June 1 designation.

Center Mitch Morse hasn't given up a sack since 2015 according to PFF although he has missed 14 games over the last two seasons. He should be in high demand on the open market. The Chiefs are accustomed to losing offensive lineman in free agency. Offensive guard Jeff Allen left for the Texans in 2016 after his rookie contract expired. The Texans also signed offensive guard Zach Fulton last March. The Chiefs hedged their bets on Morse with Austin Reiter. The preseason waiver wire pick up earned a two-year, $4.55 million extension (worth up to $5.55 million through incentives and salary escalators) because of his work starting four games when Morse was recovering from a concussion.

Cornerback Steven Nelson held up nicely as the opposition tested him repeatedly. He was targeted more than any other NFL cornerback according to PFF but allowed only 60 of 113 passes thrown at him to be completed (53.1 percent). Nelson isn't the same caliber as 2017 free agent cornerbacks A.J. Bouye or Stephen Gilmore, or Kyle Fuller, who was designated as a transition player last year. T.J. Carrie, Aaron Colvin and Prince Amukamara signed multi-year contracts in free agency last year ranging from $7.75 million to $9 million per year with $15.5 million to $18 million in guarantees, which could be Nelson's market.

Fullback Anthony Sherman was named to the Pro Bowl but was only on the field for 98 offensive snaps this season after taking 180 in 2017. Another one-year deal at $2 million probably isn't warranted since he makes his biggest impact on special teams with his role in the offense diminishing.

Contract extensions

Contract extensions for wide receiver Tyreek Hill and defensive lineman Chris Jones are reportedly offseason priorities. The 2016 draft picks are entering the final year of their rookie contracts.

Hill set a franchise record with 1,479 receiving yards, which was fourth in the NFL. He also set career highs of 87 catches and 12 touchdown receptions. One of the NFL's most explosive playmakers because of his rare speed, Hill led the league with 27 receptions of 20 yards or more. His 17.0 yards per catch was fifth in the NFL.

Watkins' $16 million per-year deal establishes a salary floor for Hill since he is clearly Kansas City's primary wide receiver. Odell Beckham, Jr. signed an $18 million per year extension with the Giants during the preseason, which made him the NFL's highest-paid wide receiver. His deal contains $65 million in guarantees, of which $40.959 million was fully guaranteed at signing. It's conceivable that Hill eclipses Beckham's contract.

Jones got the NFL's attention with his pass-rushing prowess. He was third in the NFL with 15.5 sacks. Jones set an NFL record by recording a sack in 11-straight games this season. His run defense isn't quite on par with his pass-rushing ability. That's not going to hurt Jones financially. A premium is paid to players who can consistently pressure opposing quarterbacks, not those who excel primarily at stopping the run.

Eagles All-Pro defensive tackle Fletcher Cox is the NFL's second-highest-paid interior defensive lineman with the six-year, $102.6 million extension containing $63.299 million of guarantees he signed in 2016. A long-term deal with Jones will likely be for more than Cox's $17.1 million per year.

2019 is also a contract year for cornerback Kendall Fuller, who was obtained from the Redskins in the Alex Smith trade. Retaining Fuller long-term becomes more important if Nelson is lost in free agency.

Outlook

The Chiefs have solved the biggest piece of the roster-building puzzle by finding a franchise quarterback with Mahomes. His talent should allow the Chiefs to remain competitive for years to come.

The Chiefs have a small window to take advantage of Mahomes arguably being the league's biggest bargain. He will be eligible for a contract extension at the conclusion of the 2019 regular season. The Chiefs most certainly will pick up its fifth-year option for him in 2021, which could be approaching $25 million. If Mahomes doesn't get a new deal until his option year, the Chiefs will have two years to improve the talent on the roster, particularly on defense, before he resets the NFL salary pay scale. It will become more challenging to sustain success when Mahomes is no longer on his rookie contract and is taking up an inordinate amount of cap space.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-heres-what-comes-next-for-chiefs-and-how-they-can-build-on-success/

kcpasco
01-22-2019, 04:52 PM
Hill is the main priority. Let the new DC have a say in what to do with Ford and the rest of the defense.

In58men
01-22-2019, 04:53 PM
Hill is the main priority. Let the new DC have a say in what to do with Ford and the rest of the defense.

Jones needs an extension.

kcpasco
01-22-2019, 05:01 PM
Jones needs an extension. Ok but than the Chiefs should maybe not use the tag on Ford. And it’s not because of his major screwup. They just have so much cap invested on that side of the ball. Rebuild the D through the draft and get ready to pay Mahomes his ransom.

OKchiefs
01-22-2019, 05:04 PM
Justin Houston should agree to an extension or renegotiated contract to cut his cap number to around $14-15 million.

Berry's cap number is fucking insane. If he won't agree to a reduced salary he can get fucked.

staylor26
01-22-2019, 05:07 PM
Yea we’re going to be relying on rookies to fix this D again

At least this tome we have a 1st and an extra 2nd, but still...

O.city
01-22-2019, 05:08 PM
They can find money if they want too. Every year.

Sure, you're going to have to draft well. Same as always. But if they want a free agent or two, they can sign them.

Prison Bitch
01-22-2019, 05:09 PM
Let Hill go

MAHOMO 4 LIFE!
01-22-2019, 05:09 PM
Yea we’re going to be relying on rookies to fix this D again

At least this tome we have a 1st and an extra 2nd, but still...

It’s essentially a third since the Rams will be one of the last two picking

MAHOMO 4 LIFE!
01-22-2019, 05:09 PM
Let Hill go

****a what

kcpasco
01-22-2019, 05:14 PM
Maybe a tag and trade with Ford like someone mentioned in another thread. What’s the max value you could get for that scenario?

kcpasco
01-22-2019, 05:15 PM
Let Hill go

Why? The guy plays hurt and is one of the best weapons in the game.

Prison Bitch
01-22-2019, 05:18 PM
Why? The guy plays hurt and is one of the best weapons in the game.

Lotta reasons why but simply put, you’ll have to start letting some guys go. And no team I can think of (outside Indy with Harrison-Wayne) spent big bucks on 2 WR. With Kelce and Hammy on board, we’d be doing 4.


That’s never happened.

King_Chief_Fan
01-22-2019, 05:20 PM
Release Berry in June...Morse. scandrick, Bailey and Ford.....Good bye
Keep Lucas and Sherman

O.city
01-22-2019, 05:20 PM
Lotta reasons why but simply put, you’ll have to start letting some guys go. And no team I can think of (outside Indy with Harrison-Wayne) spent big bucks on 2 WR. With Kelce and Hammy on board, we’d be doing 4.


That’s never happened.

I'd imagine Watkins will be gone after next season.

TambaBerry
01-22-2019, 05:22 PM
Lotta reasons why but simply put, you’ll have to start letting some guys go. And no team I can think of (outside Indy with Harrison-Wayne) spent big bucks on 2 WR. With Kelce and Hammy on board, we’d be doing 4.


That’s never happened.

We literally have one more season with Watkins. Don't be retarded holy fuck. It's Mahomes and then Hill as most important

T-post Tom
01-22-2019, 05:26 PM
Would not be surprised to see Berry cut after June 1. That probably won't sit well with Houston, as Berry is "his boy". Don't know how that translates to Houston's attitude if it happens and he stays. Personally, I think it's time the Chiefs' move on. Probably the best for both parties. I appreciate what Berry has contributed early in his career and all he's been thru. But it's time to get more youth and speed on the defensive side of the ball.

T-post Tom
01-22-2019, 05:29 PM
I'd imagine Watkins will be gone after next season.

Signed thru 2020. He'll only be 27. Dead money would be $7M in 2020 vs $21M cap hit but $7M of that is signing bonus prorated. If Watkins can stay healthy, he will not be cut prior to end of contract.

Sassy Squatch
01-22-2019, 05:30 PM
I'm pretty sure if Veach managed to lose Hill Reid would throw his ass to the curb.

FlaChief58
01-22-2019, 05:31 PM
Let Hill go

You can't be as stupid as this post suggests...

Prison Bitch
01-22-2019, 05:32 PM
Signed thru 2020. He'll only be 27. Dead money would be $7M in 2020 vs $14M cap hit. If Watkins can stay healthy, he will not be cut prior to end of contract.

Thank you. Facts are facts.

B_Ambuehl
01-22-2019, 05:32 PM
The chiefs need to start thinking about building sustainable systems not necessarily the best players. Mahomes is gonna break the bank and you're not gonna be able to have 2 superstar pass rushers, shut down corners, and $30 million receivers. All this team needs going forward is a top tier Oline and a front 7 that can stop the run. All these superstars (especially on defense) are a temporary luxury that will eventually affect the middle class of the roster and even now most of them are 1 trick ponies that are liabilities against the run. The most efficient roster is arguably one with a run stopping front 7 and a good oline. Stop the run with 7 and play coverage behind it. Get pressure via scheme. Protect the QB and move the ball via offensive system & QB talent. It's why the Pats have been so successful and why every other team with upper tier franchise QBs have struggled majorly at some point.

The colts were a 2 win team without Manning.

The packers morphed into a 5 win team even with Rodgers

The Saints morphed into a 7 win team even with Brees and set a record for defensive futility.

The Chargers morphed into a 5 win team even with Rivers.

Yet the Pats won 11 games with Gus Cassel and didn't miss a beat with Garrapolo.

Systems over players.

O.city
01-22-2019, 05:33 PM
Thank you. Facts are facts.

You think they'll pay him 21 million dollars in 2020?

O.city
01-22-2019, 05:34 PM
Signed thru 2020. He'll only be 27. Dead money would be $7M in 2020 vs $14M cap hit. If Watkins can stay healthy, he will not be cut prior to end of contract.

His cap hit is 21 mil, they'd save 14 mil by cutting him.

T-post Tom
01-22-2019, 05:37 PM
His cap hit is 21 mil, they'd save 14 mil by cutting him.

Signed thru 2020. He'll only be 27. Dead money would be $7M in 2020 vs $21M cap hit but $7M of that is signing bonus prorated. If Watkins can stay healthy, he will not be cut prior to end of contract.

O.city
01-22-2019, 05:38 PM
That is not correct. I was responding to the comment that Watkins will be gone after next season. If they cut him after next season, the numbers I quoted are accurate.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/kansas-city-chiefs/

Sassy Squatch
01-22-2019, 05:40 PM
Yes, let's keep the receiver that recorded 40 receptions for 519 yards and 3 touchdowns over the receiver that recorded 87 catches for 1,479 yards and 12 touchdowns.


Brilliant.

T-post Tom
01-22-2019, 05:42 PM
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/kansas-city-chiefs/

Dear Lord, I've lost my mind and my vision isn't far behind. They'd only have $7M in dead money if they cut him. So they save $14M in cash, not $21M.

Sassy Squatch
01-22-2019, 05:43 PM
I believe you're misreading that.

https://i.ibb.co/Y212TGT/vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv44444444444444444444444.jpg
What? That says exactly what O.City says it does. 21 million cap hit with 7 million dead and 14 million saved if cut.

JohnnyHammersticks
01-22-2019, 05:44 PM
I'd imagine Watkins will be gone after next season.

That contract looks worse by the second, and not because Watkins doesn't produce when he's out there, he does. He's just a terminal broke-dick. He was limping around again at the end of the game Sunday. If he was a horse, they'd shoot him.

O.city
01-22-2019, 05:44 PM
His cap hit would be 21 million in 2020. The dead money would be 7 mil with a cap saving of 14 mil.

Hammock Parties
01-22-2019, 05:45 PM
Cutting Houston clears 14 million.

He's gone or restructures at an incredibly cheap salary.

saphojunkie
01-22-2019, 05:46 PM
Let Hill go

Do you actively try to have the worst opinions on everything

O.city
01-22-2019, 05:46 PM
Cutting Houston clears 14 million.

He's gone or restructures at an incredibly cheap salary.

I can't imagine they'll let him and Ford walk this offseason.

He needs to restructure for sure though.

saphojunkie
01-22-2019, 05:54 PM
I can't imagine they'll let him and Ford walk this offseason.

He needs to restructure for sure though.

I can easily see him doing that. It will depend on the defensive coordinator, but maybe Houston will be excited about not dropping into coverage.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE!
01-22-2019, 05:55 PM
I can easily see him doing that. It will depend on the defensive coordinator, but maybe Houston will be excited about not dropping into coverage.

Sutton had him in coverage against Antonio Brown. That’s the moment I knew he should be fired

Valiant
01-22-2019, 06:05 PM
Sign Hill,
Let new DC decide how we are moving forward formation wise.
Tag Ford this year, if he play great, fine. Take in 2020 and trade.
Release Berry,
Trade Fisher.
Renegotiate Houston.

Draft some fatties for oline, then new lbs and a safety.
Hawk other teams practice squads for other needs.

T-post Tom
01-22-2019, 06:05 PM
His cap hit would be 21 million in 2020. The dead money would be 7 mil with a cap saving of 14 mil.

Now that I've screwed and unscrewed the math :cuss: .... I can see where the Chiefs might walk away if they sign Hill to a big contract. Especially if they develop some of the younger WRs. Then again, the cap seems to jump by about $10M every year. Will be interesting to see how the new Hill contract plays out.

Sassy Squatch
01-22-2019, 06:09 PM
610 Sports Radio

@610SportsKC
"I'm fully expecting the #Chiefs to use most of their picks on defensive players. I'm fully expecting them to lock up Tyreek or Chris Jones for the long term. And I'm fully expecting the Chiefs to use the rest of their money to support Mahomes."


Call me crazy but I think that says Hill OR Jones.

carcosa
01-22-2019, 06:10 PM
Let Hill go

I know I'm late to this but holy fucking shit you're dumb

pugsnotdrugs19
01-22-2019, 06:11 PM
610 Sports Radio

@610SportsKC
"I'm fully expecting the #Chiefs to use most of their picks on defensive players. I'm fully expecting them to lock up Tyreek or Chris Jones for the long term. And I'm fully expecting the Chiefs to use the rest of their money to support Mahomes."


Call me crazy but I think that says Hill OR Jones.

Yeah I listened to it, he basically said they would get one done now so that they can focus on the other in the next year. Gives them franchise tag leverage if they have one done.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE!
01-22-2019, 06:11 PM
610 Sports Radio

@610SportsKC
"I'm fully expecting the #Chiefs to use most of their picks on defensive players. I'm fully expecting them to lock up Tyreek or Chris Jones for the long term. And I'm fully expecting the Chiefs to use the rest of their money to support Mahomes."


Call me crazy but I think that says Hill OR Jones.

Yep. I expect to sign Hill then Jones play the way he did in his contract year next year

Sassy Squatch
01-22-2019, 06:11 PM
Yeah I listened to it, he basically said they would get one done now so that they can focus on the other in the next year. Gives them franchise tag leverage if they have one done.
Ok, that makes some sense, but what about Fuller?

duncan_idaho
01-22-2019, 06:15 PM
Count me in the “trade Dee Ford” camp.

Regardless of scheme change.

He had a great year but is a one-dimensional player who is a huge liability against the run and in pass coverage.

Cash in those shiny sack and pressure numbers with a tag and trade. I think you can improve the defense more with an extra few picks and the $20 million than just bringing Ford back.

FringeNC
01-22-2019, 06:33 PM
Cutting Houston clears 14 million.

He's gone or restructures at an incredibly cheap salary.

$15.5m if it is post 6-1. Yeah, no way he's here at anywhere near that number.

Prison Bitch
01-22-2019, 06:34 PM
Yes, let's keep the receiver that recorded 40 receptions for 519 yards and 3 touchdowns over the receiver that recorded 87 catches for 1,479 yards and 12 touchdowns.


Brilliant.

Contracts.

RealSNR
01-22-2019, 06:40 PM
Count me in the “trade Dee Ford” camp.

Regardless of scheme change.

He had a great year but is a one-dimensional player who is a huge liability against the run and in pass coverage.

Cash in those shiny sack and pressure numbers with a tag and trade. I think you can improve the defense more with an extra few picks and the $20 million than just bringing Ford back.

We need to find a team with a GM dumb enough to do this.

Hey Dee, wanna see your new home?

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/AP_buffalo_snow_3_jtm_141122_3x2_1600.jpg

MAHOMO 4 LIFE!
01-22-2019, 06:41 PM
Houston was caught staring at his locker after the game. He knows he could be gone

kcclone
01-22-2019, 06:44 PM
The chiefs need to start thinking about building sustainable systems not necessarily the best players. Mahomes is gonna break the bank and you're not gonna be able to have 2 superstar pass rushers, shut down corners, and $30 million receivers. All this team needs going forward is a top tier Oline and a front 7 that can stop the run. All these superstars (especially on defense) are a temporary luxury that will eventually affect the middle class of the roster and even now most of them are 1 trick ponies that are liabilities against the run. The most efficient roster is arguably one with a run stopping front 7 and a good oline. Stop the run with 7 and play coverage behind it. Get pressure via scheme. Protect the QB and move the ball via offensive system & QB talent. It's why the Pats have been so successful and why every other team with upper tier franchise QBs have struggled majorly at some point.

The colts were a 2 win team without Manning.

The packers morphed into a 5 win team even with Rodgers

The Saints morphed into a 7 win team even with Brees and set a record for defensive futility.

The Chargers morphed into a 5 win team even with Rivers.

Yet the Pats won 11 games with Gus Cassel and didn't miss a beat with Garrapolo.

Systems over players.



This x 100

staylor26
01-22-2019, 06:47 PM
Houston was caught staring at his locker after the game. He knows he could be gone

Link?

jaa1025
01-22-2019, 06:48 PM
Didn't Fisher get a 10 mil raise because of his BS probowl invite? That certainly didn't help the cap.

BossChief
01-22-2019, 06:50 PM
Houston played 14 games (2 postseason) this year

11 sacks
5 forced fumbles
4 fumble recoveries
1 int returned for a TD

He needs to take a pay cut, but he’s still a good defender.

Kyle DeLexus
01-22-2019, 06:52 PM
Ok, that makes some sense, but what about Fuller?

Fuller is a good piece, but you only resign him to a reasonable number. He's not one you plan around like Mahomes, Hill and Jones. If he was Jalon Ramsey, we would be talking about fitting him in for an extension.

FAX
01-22-2019, 06:56 PM
Didn't Fisher get a 10 mil raise because of his BS probowl invite? That certainly didn't help the cap.

The league does that on purpose in order to screw with our cap space.

It's funny how people have been ignoring this problem for 2 years. This is a real issue. Limited cap space combined with limited players on the roster. Not good. [Insert 14 more sentences of FAX bitching about Dorsey here.]

If Veach was counting on a SB this year and that was his rationale behind the Hitchens and Watkins moves, he was wrong.

Nothing got fixed on the defensive side and the offense can also use two more linemen on the right side who can block. They would also benefit from a #2 TE who is smarter than a cement mixer.

I hope Veach got a masters in economics because he can use it now.

FAX

FAX
01-22-2019, 07:01 PM
Houston played 14 games (2 postseason) this year

11 sacks
5 forced fumbles
4 fumble recoveries
1 int returned for a TD

He needs to take a pay cut, but he’s still a good defender.

This is interesting, Mr. BossChief ...

You know, of all the players on the entire roster, Houston was probably used the most improperly (... hope that makes sense ...). He's an extremely versatile player and has basically been used wrong since 2014 or so.

He's a guy you can move around and can rush from anywhere in any stance, yet only rarely has he been allowed to do that. Solid against the run, for the most part. And vastly overpaid based on one incredible season.

It's unfortunate.

FAX

saphojunkie
01-22-2019, 07:10 PM
The league does that on purpose in order to screw with our cap space.

It's funny how people have been ignoring this problem for 2 years. This is a real issue. Limited cap space combined with limited players on the roster. Not good. [Insert 14 more sentences of FAX bitching about Dorsey here.]

If Veach was counting on a SB this year and that was his rationale behind the Hitchens and Watkins moves, he was wrong.

Nothing got fixed on the defensive side and the offense can also use two more linemen on the right side who can block. They would also benefit from a #2 TE who is smarter than a cement mixer.

I hope Veach got a masters in economics because he can use it now.

FAX

We had a ton of dead money the last few years. We have virtually none so far. That will change with Berry/Houston, but it won't be nearly as bad as it was.

dlphg9
01-22-2019, 07:12 PM
This is interesting, Mr. BossChief ...

You know, of all the players on the entire roster, Houston was probably used the most improperly (... hope that makes sense ...). He's an extremely versatile player and has basically been used wrong since 2014 or so.

He's a guy you can move around and can rush from anywhere in any stance, yet only rarely has he been allowed to do that. Solid against the run, for the most part. And vastly overpaid based on one incredible season.

It's unfortunate.

FAX

Justin Houston is easily our best defender. Hes still our best pass rusher. I think its crystal clear that hes better than Ford. Id let Ford go, extend Houston to make his cap hit more doable and see if Berry will restructure, doubtful.

FAX
01-22-2019, 07:24 PM
We had a ton of dead money the last few years. We have virtually none so far. That will change with Berry/Houston, but it won't be nearly as bad as it was.

I'm not making an effort be disagreeable, Mr. saphojunkie (it just comes to me naturally), but our situation is bad.

In the way of comparison, the Colts have built a really good, young foundation and have something in the order of 120m in cap space next year. The Browns are in a similar situation. We are going to be competing with teams who have good QBs and who are probably going to emulate the Rams model in FA.

Given our problems on defense, the age of that group, and the internal options available, Veach and Wally have a lot of work ahead of them. At this point, I'm hopeful that guys like Tyreek and Jones will work out team-friendly deals and quality FAs will be interested in playing for the Chiefs. That's to be determined, I suppose.

FAX

Kyle DeLexus
01-22-2019, 07:25 PM
Justin Houston is easily our best defender. Hes still our best pass rusher. I think its crystal clear that hes better than Ford. Id let Ford go, extend Houston to make his cap hit more doable and see if Berry will restructure, doubtful.

The problem with restructuring Berry is that you keep throwing good money after bad. You either cut your losses this season and do a post-June 1 cut or you let it ride another year at the full cap hit with the intention of cutting him next year if things don't change.

If you restructure, you make it harder to cut him later and you are in close to the same situation you are now.

It'd be great if he'd just retire....that won't be happening, but it would be best for all involved.

O.city
01-22-2019, 07:27 PM
Restructuring Houston atleast makes sense in that’s he’s still a really good player.

Berry just isn’t

Simply Red
01-22-2019, 07:29 PM
I still think we are going to need to draft a RB - they may be a dime a dozen - but we need a better one. IMO

Justice Hill would work.

BossChief
01-22-2019, 07:30 PM
Some tough decisions are coming.

Houston just turned 30
So did Berry

Together they are due 70m in the next 2 seasons...

FAX
01-22-2019, 07:32 PM
Some tough decisions are coming.

Houston just turned 30
So did Berry

Together they are due 70m in the next 2 seasons...

Thanks, Dorsey.

FAX

RunKC
01-22-2019, 07:34 PM
There is now way in hell that Eric Berry should be counting $16.5 million against the cap next season.

He needs to restructure

RealSNR
01-22-2019, 07:38 PM
Houston's situation is easily workable. We have a ton of options. We can cut him. Extend/restructure. Hope he takes a pay cut.

With Ford, we can just let him walk. Not that big of a deal.

Berry and Hitchens are the things really fucking us over right now.

God... fuck that Berry contract. Ugh.

kccrow
01-22-2019, 07:38 PM
The wording of the sentence isn't entirely clear about the 26.7m figure, but it would be accurate if the Chiefs tendered Lucas, tender all of their ERFAs, factored in the PPE for Hill, and factored in the reserve necessary to sign the draft class.

The tender for Lucas is approximately $2.06m
The ERFAs (Hamilton, Butker, Kemp, and Deiter) carry a $570k hit each for $2.28m (plus any bonuses they receive, usually up to $30k ea).
The Draft Reserve is about $2.87m
The PPE for Hill is about $2.06m

That totals $9.27m off the stated expected space of $35.9m (OTC) for a net of $26.6m.

I highly doubt they tender Terrence Smith, he isn't worth the $2m, so I didn't factor him in.

suzzer99
01-22-2019, 07:42 PM
Extend Hill - don't make gigantic contracts on defense. As we've seen - it's rarely worth it.

I'd like to see more than a year of domination out of Jones before I break the bank for him.

Kyle DeLexus
01-22-2019, 07:49 PM
Extend Hill - don't make gigantic contracts on defense. As we've seen - it's rarely worth it.

I'd like to see more than a year of domination out of Jones before I break the bank for him.

What do you think it takes to lock Jones up this year? What is it if he has a monster season next year?

MAHOMO 4 LIFE!
01-22-2019, 08:00 PM
What do you think it takes to lock Jones up this year? What is it if he has a monster season next year?

And what if we pay him and he doesn’t. Then we left with 3 contracts on defense with 15 mil per year

Red Dawg
01-22-2019, 08:05 PM
Cut Berry in June, save what you can. He's worthless. Let Ford walk, he's a liability in pass coverage and aginst the run. Keep Jones one more year on his deal. Don't just throw money at him. Hill gets paid.

Red Dawg
01-22-2019, 08:06 PM
I still think we are going to need to draft a RB - they may be a dime a dozen - but we need a better one. IMO

Justice Hill would work.

Yes. This needs to happen.

suzzer99
01-22-2019, 08:07 PM
What do you think it takes to lock Jones up this year? What is it if he has a monster season next year?

That's the big question. If that happens you may have to franchise for another year then let him walk. At least we'd know we got most of his good years - then we could watch him go get injured and fall off somewhere else.

That's basically our leverage against him - do you want 2 more years with a potential franchise - or 5 with more job security? It's incredible how much leverage the franchise tag gives the owners in some spots.

Chris Meck
01-22-2019, 08:07 PM
And what if we pay him and he doesn’t. Then we left with 3 contracts on defense with 15 mil per year

well let's just not pay anyone then. I mean, what if they start to suck?

Chris Meck
01-22-2019, 08:13 PM
Yes. This needs to happen.


Umm.

Damien Williams played very, very well. He scored a couple TD's Sunday and should've had two more but Mahomes missed him.

I do NOT understand this take.

Of course, you draft a mid round guy for competition and depth, but this is by no means a real 'need'.

BossChief
01-22-2019, 08:22 PM
There is now way in hell that Eric Berry should be counting $16.5 million against the cap next season.

He needs to restructure

No way. That just ties him to the roster at stupid prices for another 3 years. No way should we guarantee more $. Cut him on June 1st if he doesn’t agree to an injury settlement before that.

Chris Meck
01-22-2019, 08:26 PM
If you cut Houston and Berry June 1st, you have an extra $24m roughly in cap money.

Know what I'm saying?

Red Dawg
01-22-2019, 08:27 PM
Umm.

Damien Williams played very, very well. He scored a couple TD's Sunday and should've had two more but Mahomes missed him.

I do NOT understand this take.

Of course, you draft a mid round guy for competition and depth, but this is by no means a real 'need'.

Not a massive need but Hill would an upgrade and a cheap one. Great balance and speed.

Best22
01-22-2019, 08:31 PM
Those big contracts on defense are from when we thought we were a defensive team. You know, the “if only the offense could score 22 points a game, we’d be 14-2” era.:rolleyes:

BryanBusby
01-22-2019, 09:36 PM
When he signed his deal, $10.2 million of Berry's $12.4 million 2019 base salary was guaranteed for injury.*

Uh, that's probably not good.

RealSNR
01-22-2019, 10:11 PM
Jesus Christ, Clark. Did you let Eric fuck your wife, too? :shake:

Chris Meck
01-22-2019, 10:14 PM
Jesus Christ, Clark. Did you let Eric **** your wife, too? :shake:

I'd have taken that deal in a heartbeat. :eek::D

TheChamp
01-22-2019, 10:16 PM
Just imagine how challenging this will be in two seasons when you are paying Mahommes 35+ and have been drafting in playoff slots (but not making it to the Super Bowl). Could be a lot like Green Bay's wasting of Aaron Rodgers but without that one bright spot.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE!
01-22-2019, 10:17 PM
Terez says the Chiefs know they will be paying Mahomes 200 mil next off season. They have been aware for some time now and are planning accordingly. They feel they have one more year. They are going all in this offseason

BossChief
01-22-2019, 10:18 PM
Jesus Christ, Clark. Did you let Eric fuck your wife, too? :shake:

Seriously. Clark needs to run the team like a business.

The 2 contracts I remember him getting into the negotiations for were for Bowe and Berry.

We’re lucky Bowe likes Sonic or else those might have been 2 of the worst contracts KC has ever signed.

Hoover
01-22-2019, 10:21 PM
Terez says the Chiefs know they will be paying Mahomes 200 mil next off season. They have been aware for some time now and are planning accordingly. They feel they have one more year. They are going all in this offseason
We should trade for Marcus Peters and Ndamukong Suh!

Rawlsian
01-22-2019, 10:29 PM
Chris Jones -> sign extension now
Steven Nelson-> gonna hurt with our cap situation, but we should probably keep him

Eric Berry -> please settle with the team and free us of this terrible contract
Allen Bailey -> let him walk
Dee Ford -> let him walk and try to earn back a future draft pick
Hitchens -> set him up with Dwayne bowe and see if we can get him caught outside of a Sonic in possession of weed

kccrow
01-22-2019, 10:51 PM
When he signed his deal, $10.2 million of Berry's $12.4 million 2019 base salary was guaranteed for injury.*

Uh, that's probably not good.

Considering it's a non-football "injury," I'm assuming the Chiefs are very much not at risk of having that salary guaranteed.

New World Order
01-22-2019, 11:10 PM
If you cut Houston and Berry June 1st, you have an extra $24m roughly in cap money.

Know what I'm saying?

We could probably sign Cj Mosely and Clinton Dix.

Move up and draft Mack Wilson.

Middle of the field wouldn't be a problem anymore.

BossChief
01-22-2019, 11:34 PM
Safeties are going to be in a buyers market. Just like last year...possibly even more drastic.

Joyner
Thomas
Badger
Reid
Dix
Collins
Boston

Lots of others.

Trade a 2 for PP or a 1 for Ramsey...maybe both.

Sign Thomas or Collins.

Draft defense with most of the picks.

Draft another weapon for Mahomes with a pick in the first 3 rounds.

Collect comp picks for Morse, Conley, Bailey and Nelson in the 2020 draft.

Let’s go try to win a title.

RunKC
01-22-2019, 11:36 PM
I would be all for trading Dee Ford. Get something for him and use this draft to replenish the defense with more young studs. This is a great draft for defense.

Then in 2020 start drafting replacements for the offense.

New World Order
01-23-2019, 12:22 AM
We can't keep Houston AND Ford.

It makes no sense, especially against a qb like Tom Brady who rarely holds the ball long enough to feel any pressure.

HemiEd
01-23-2019, 07:30 AM
Let Hill go

What? ROFL dummest post I have seen of yours

FringeNC
01-23-2019, 07:52 AM
I would be all for trading Dee Ford. Get something for him and use this draft to replenish the defense with more young studs. This is a great draft for defense.

Then in 2020 start drafting replacements for the offense.

Is someone really going to be willing to pay Ford huge bucks and give up a draft pick? That would be my preferred scenario too, but doubt it happens.

BryanBusby
01-23-2019, 08:04 AM
Considering it's a non-football "injury," I'm assuming the Chiefs are very much not at risk of having that salary guaranteed.
That would absolutely go through arbitration where it wouldn't be a slam dunk at all.

In58men
01-23-2019, 08:11 AM
I still think we are going to need to draft a RB - they may be a dime a dozen - but we need a better one. IMO

Justice Hill would work.

Damien Williams has been a beast.

5 ypc is solid numbers.

Aspengc8
01-23-2019, 08:18 AM
Letting go of Sherman, Sorensen, Bailey & Harris frees up enough that should be able to sign Jones to a deal. I would try to trade Ford for a pick, look to restructure Berry & Houston if possible. Should be a heavy defensive draft, and look to grab another TE or H-back that can fill Sherman & Harris role, while having a back up plan in case Kelce goes down. 2m is too much for a FB on a spread team.

T-post Tom
01-23-2019, 08:27 AM
John Dorsey got this started. 4 months after making Berry the highest paid Safety in the NFL, he gets canned. That's 5 months too late in my mind. I appreciate what Berry did early in his career, but I think the Patriots have the right model: you don't want the highest paid player at any position EXCEPT quarterback. (With maybe rare exception at other premium position or a generational player.)

tyton75
01-23-2019, 08:28 AM
I think we need to draft an interior OL and a RB and the rest can go to defense. Hoping they can improve the OL with budget free agency but we still need a young RB workhorse type in the draft. Let Williams be our 3rd down back if necessary.

bowener
01-23-2019, 08:46 AM
Yea we’re going to be relying on rookies to fix this D again

At least this tome we have a 1st and an extra 2nd, but still...

Then the Chiefs should bring in Kris Richard. That fucker helped turn a bunch of rookies and young players into a scary fucking defense that wanted to murder mother fuckers. That's what I want. Give the man the title of Defensive Czar and Assistant Head Coach with a pile of money and go win some fucking championships.

O.city
01-23-2019, 08:51 AM
Letting go of Sherman, Sorensen, Bailey & Harris frees up enough that should be able to sign Jones to a deal. I would try to trade Ford for a pick, look to restructure Berry & Houston if possible. Should be a heavy defensive draft, and look to grab another TE or H-back that can fill Sherman & Harris role, while having a back up plan in case Kelce goes down. 2m is too much for a FB on a spread team.

I would like to keep Sherman for sure. He's a core special teamer and seems to be a good leader.

The rest i'm good with, but I'd imagine they'll keep Sorensen.

TEX
01-23-2019, 08:58 AM
Then the Chiefs should bring in Kris Richard. That ****er helped turn a bunch of rookies and young players into a scary ****ing defense that wanted to murder mother ****ers. That's what I want. Give the man the title of Defensive Czar and Assistant Head Coach with a pile of money and go win some ****ing championships.

Yep. If you ever seen Richard coach, you'd be impressed. Dude is a great motivator, like Eric Bieniemy, and kicks ass with every sentence. Guys are willing to listen, and run through a wall for him. He can really reach the young guys. Teams need guys like him coaching. Dude was born to coach.

kcpasco
01-23-2019, 09:01 AM
I’ll eat crow. Sorenson outplayed Berry in that afcc. Still would like to draft a safety and keep Dan as depth.

Chris Meck
01-23-2019, 09:18 AM
I’ll eat crow. Sorenson outplayed Berry in that afcc. Still would like to draft a safety and keep Dan as depth.

at almost 4.7m? really? Fuck that.

Rawlsian
03-29-2019, 01:39 AM
Chris Jones -> sign extension now
Steven Nelson-> gonna hurt with our cap situation, but we should probably keep him

Eric Berry -> please settle with the team and free us of this terrible contract
Allen Bailey -> let him walk
Dee Ford -> let him walk and try to earn back a future draft pick
Hitchens -> set him up with Dwayne bowe and see if we can get him caught outside of a Sonic in possession of weed

A lot of this came true.

Still waiting on bowe to do us a favor with hitchens

threebag
03-29-2019, 04:56 AM
A lot of this came true.

Still waiting on bowe to do us a favor with hitchens

With your Stevie Nelson bit you should have deleted post instead of quoted post

BigRedChief
03-29-2019, 05:15 AM
Terez says the Chiefs know they will be paying Mahomes 200 mil next off season. They have been aware for some time now and are planning accordingly. They feel they have one more year. They are going all in this offseasonWhy next off season? He still has 3 years left of his rookie contract.

RealSNR
03-29-2019, 06:01 AM
A lot of this came true.

Still waiting on bowe to do us a favor with hitchens

no not rly aksh lol dumbass

Lzen
03-29-2019, 06:11 AM
A lot of this came true.

Still waiting on bowe to do us a favor with hitchens

Nelson? ROFL

kysirsoze
03-29-2019, 10:14 AM
A lot of this came true.

Still waiting on bowe to do us a favor with hitchens

Not one of these has come true. Excellent bump, dude.

BryanBusby
03-29-2019, 10:23 AM
Why next off season? He still has 3 years left of his rookie contract.
If the Chiefs suspect the cap is going to rise sharply in the next CBA, and it's certainly possible, would make sense to lock him in for long-term before it's figured out by how much.

O.city
03-29-2019, 10:27 AM
Plus, if he's as good as they think he is, what are you waiting for? Why mess with waiting and just go ahead and lock it in.

BryanBusby
03-29-2019, 10:28 AM
Plus, if he's as good as they think he is, what are you waiting for? Why mess with waiting and just go ahead and lock it in.
The counter argument isn't wondering if he's good, it's to use his cheap years to rent high level talent to try and win it all.

O.city
03-29-2019, 10:37 AM
The counter argument isn't wondering if he's good, it's to use his cheap years to rent high level talent to try and win it all.

That is true.

But they will have already eaten up 3 of those cheap years at the point of giving him is contract and the earlier you lock it in the more chance you have of it actually being a bit more manageable and cheaper long term.

jjchieffan
03-29-2019, 10:57 AM
Plus, if he's as good as they think he is, what are you waiting for? Why mess with waiting and just go ahead and lock it in.

If you're meaning that they should just extend him this off-season, well, we can't. The CBA requires teams and players to wait until after year 3 to renegotiate a contract.

O.city
03-29-2019, 11:07 AM
If you're meaning that they should just extend him this off-season, well, we can't. The CBA requires teams and players to wait until after year 3 to renegotiate a contract.

I was responding to someone above saying they still had however many years before they had to extend him

They’ll extend him as soon as it’s possiboe

jjchieffan
03-29-2019, 04:24 PM
I was responding to someone above saying they still had however many years before they had to extend him

They’ll extend him as soon as it’s possiboe

Gotcha. I wasn't sure how you meant it.

threebag
03-29-2019, 08:41 PM
Stevie Nelson ROFL