Devin Bush ILB

[O.city]

Saw some chatter on twitter that the Chiefs might be interested. Talk to me about him?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

https://youtu.be/vroOBFGA0s4

Looks like a stud

[pugsnotdrugs19]

A little undersized at 6’0” but man does he fly around

[O.city]

A little undersized at 6’0” but man does he fly around

Yeah, he's a bit undersized, but if we're going to the 43, I want dudes that can run.

He can run. Put him in the middle with DOD and Hitchens around him.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Yeah, he's a bit undersized, but if we're going to the 43, I want dudes that can run.

He can run. Put him in the middle with DOD and Hitchens around him.

Very appetizing idea.

Gotta find solid answers at CB, DL, and S still though. It’s tough.

[O.city]

Very appetizing idea.

Gotta find solid answers at CB, DL, and S still though. It’s tough.

Trade a 2nd and a 4th to the Jags for Jalen.

Tag and trade Dee for a 2nd and a 5th, draft as much d help as you can.

[DJ's left nut]

Yeah, he's a bit undersized, but if we're going to the 43, I want dudes that can run.

He can run. Put him in the middle with DOD and Hitchens around him.

He has the build to play the middle. Bobby Wagner is not much taller than Bush (if at all) and Bush has the weight on his frame to play physical at impact.

He wouldn't work in an odd front very well, IMO. Just maybe not quite enough length to keep guys away from his body and getting driven out of the play unless he developed some of that Derrick Johnson voodoo that allowed him to sidestep blockers. But in a 4-3 he might be an outstanding fit.

I mean if you got the right CB prospect at #29 and Bush's height pushed him down into the back of the 2nd, that would be a homerun first 2 picks. I don't think I'd take him with the 1, but he'd be a nearly ideal 2nd rounder.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Trade a 2nd and a 4th to the Jags for Jalen.

Tag and trade Dee for a 2nd and a 5th, draft as much d help as you can.

Can’t see Ramsey being traded and if he was, the deal would probably be for at least one first + other picks. Like Mack.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Bush won’t make it out of the first unless he runs slow

[O.city]

Can’t see Ramsey being traded and if he was, the deal would probably be for at least one first + other picks. Like Mack.

He's having the same kind of issues Peters is having.

He's a better corner, but still don't think he'll get what you think.

[O.city]

He has the build to play the middle. Bobby Wagner is not much taller than Bush (if at all) and Bush has the weight on his frame to play physical at impact.

He wouldn't work in an odd front very well, IMO. Just maybe not quite enough length to keep guys away from his body and getting driven out of the play unless he developed some of that Derrick Johnson voodoo that allowed him to sidestep blockers. But in a 4-3 he might be an outstanding fit.

I mean if you got the right CB prospect at #29 and Bush's height pushed him down into the back of the 2nd, that would be a homerun first 2 picks. I don't think I'd take him with the 1, but he'd be a nearly ideal 2nd rounder.

Yeah, I'm not sure he'll fall far enough in the 2nd for us to take him. If they could get a team like the Bucs to give us their 2nd and a 4th for Ford, that would be nice.

Plus I love that he's played under Harbaugh.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

He's having the same kind of issues Peters is having.

He's a better corner, but still don't think he'll get what you think.

Probably the best corner in the league and very young. It’ll take a lot regardless of how big of an ass he is

[O.city]

Probably the best corner in the league and very young. It’ll take a lot regardless of how big of an ass he is

He's good.

But, he's going to need a contract soon and the Jags may just want to move him.

Again, look at the Peters situation.

[Demonpenz]

Bush is pretty big hitter with plenty of 'tude

[O.city]

Bush is pretty big hitter with plenty of 'tude

That's my main reason for liking him.

[Demonpenz]

I like Tude and hitters but I would make sure he is mentally stable so he won't smack women around or try to blow someones knees out or go out and piss on another teams logo

[O.city]

I like Tude and hitters but I would make sure he is mentally stable so he won't smack women around or try to blow someones knees out or go out and piss on another teams logo

That kinda comes with the territory

[Buehler445]

It will be interesting to see how he runs, some of those plays he looked slow, some he looks insane.

Instincts look really good. Brings toughness and good motor.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

He's good.

But, he's going to need a contract soon and the Jags may just want to move him.

Again, look at the Peters situation.

Okay, so let’s look at it this way. You said Ramsey needs paid. He does.

So do you think they can afford to pay him $18M+, Tyreek $18M+, Jones $18M+, and Mahomes $35-40M per year? Cause that’s what we’d be looking at. I don’t see it as viable.

[O.city]

Okay, so let’s look at it this way. You said Ramsey needs paid. He does.

So do you think they can afford to pay him $18M+, Tyreek $18M+, Jones $18M+, and Mahomes $35-40M per year? Cause that’s what we’d be looking at. I don’t see it as viable.

No, I'd keep him a few years, tag him, then let him walk.

[El Jefe]

It will be interesting to see how he runs, some of those plays he looked slow, some he looks insane.

Instincts look really good. Brings toughness and good motor.


I have watched Bush a lot (I'm an Ohio State fan), I have never been that impressed with him. I don't see a lot of elite speed, he does great against teams like Iowa, Wisconsin or power offenses, but we have scorched him year after year with Jet sweeps and crossing routes. I wouldn't touch him in the 1st round. And no, I am not a homer that cant stand any Michigan players, I liked peppers and frank clark's ability.

[Chris Meck]

Okay, so let’s look at it this way. You said Ramsey needs paid. He does.

So do you think they can afford to pay him $18M+, Tyreek $18M+, Jones $18M+, and Mahomes $35-40M per year? Cause that’s what we’d be looking at. I don’t see it as viable.

yeah. I'm afraid we're going to need to draft and develop secondary.

Grow our own.

I have no problem with that, really.

I don't think we'll sign many FA's on more than a couple year deal (or deals you can get out of after '21) due to Patrick's impending contract.

[BryanBusby]

He's good.

But, he's going to need a contract soon and the Jags may just want to move him.

Again, look at the Peters situation.
Not exactly similar. Ramsey is just an asshole while Peters is unstable and is a better all-around player.

Bouye is likely the one that'll be going.

[O.city]

Not exactly similar. Ramsey is just an asshole while Peters is unstable and is a better all-around player.

Bouye is likely the one that'll be going.

They already have him under contract though.

[BryanBusby]

They already have him under contract though.
Ramsey is about the only first round pick they hadn't screwed up in forever, is younger than Bouye and has yet to peak. He's the one they're keeping between the 2 of them.

[Mecca]

Problem is Ramsey can be very difficult and they may just not want to deal with him.

[Chris Meck]

Let's not have any chemistry problems. It's not worth it. 5 years down the road, the lockerroom could probably handle some problem children but let's keep it unified and all pulling together for now.

[Mecca]

Let's not have any chemistry problems. It's not worth it. 5 years down the road, the lockerroom could probably handle some problem children but let's keep it unified and all pulling together for now.

Usually winning takes care a lot of these problems.

[O.city]

Andy can handle problems. If he can't, he'll move on.

Ramsey could be had for 3 years without making a big commitment then let walk or tag and trade when he's due for a big deal.

[O.city]

Bush is my guy. I think he’ll be good at the combine.

Think we’re gonna have to take him in round 1

[Icon]

A 5' 11" LB in round one? No thanks.

Players with physical deficiencies (height, weight, speed, etc.) typically start getting drafted in round 2.

[O.city]

A 5' 11" LB in round one? No thanks.

Players with physical deficiencies (height, weight, speed, etc.) typically start getting drafted in round 2.

What does height really matter there though?

I mean is 2 inches going to keep him from being a good player in there?

[O.city]

He plays aggressive and downhill. I think we need that in the D.

[O.city]

https://twitter.com/mcshay13/status/1093904233181659136?s=21

[The Franchise]

https://twitter.com/mcshay13/status/1093904233181659136?s=21

Because tackling with your shoulder is what we want our LBs to be doing.

[htismaqe]

Because tackling with your shoulder is what we want our LBs to be doing.

To be fair, McShay picked a couple of blowup hits to showcase there. Bush doesn't have any problems wrapping up.

What the videos really show is that Bush diagnose's plays very quickly and runs like a safety. He's a stud.

[The Franchise]

To be fair, McShay picked a couple of blowup hits to showcase there. Bush doesn't have any problems wrapping up.

What the videos really show is that Bush diagnose's plays very quickly and runs like a safety. He's a stud.

Where do you put him? SLB? MLB?

[htismaqe]

Where do you put him? SLB? MLB?

I honestly don't know. He's a lot like DOD in many ways, so you'd have to figure out a way to get them both on the field (along with Hitchens) or you've got sunk costs somewhere.

[staylor26]

I honestly don't know. He's a lot like DOD in many ways, so you'd have to figure out a way to get them both on the field (along with Hitchens) or you've got sunk costs somewhere.

This is why I’m anxious to hear the plan for Hitchens.

I’m guessing they put him at MLB, O’Daniel at WLB, and draft a SLB.

I don’t think we use a first rounder on a LB if that’s the case. I’m eyeing D’Andre Walker from Georgia in the 2nd for that spot.

If we draft somebody like Bush or Wilson in the 1st, I’m going to assume they don’t have much faith in DOD.

[htismaqe]

This is why I’m anxious to hear the plan for Hitchens.

I’m guessing they put him at MLB, O’Daniel at WLB, and draft a SLB.

I don’t think we use a first rounder on a LB if that’s the case. I’m eyeing D’Andre Walker from Georgia in the 2nd for that spot.

If we draft somebody like Bush or Wilson in the 1st, I’m going to assume they don’t have much faith in DOD.

They don't really even have a SLB on the roster right now. Hitchens played MLB and WLB in both Dallas and in college. DOD is a Will.

[The Franchise]

They don't really even have a SLB on the roster right now. Hitchens played MLB and WLB in both Dallas and in college. DOD is a Will.

If Houston takes a paycut.....I could see him being the SLB. But I'd much rather just draft a SLB and put Hitchens at MLB and DOD at WLB.

[O.city]

Play bush at the SLB spot

[staylor26]

Play bush at the SLB spot

Eh seems like a weird fit and a bit of a waste.

If we’re going to take Bush put him in the middle, Hitchens at WLB (or vice versa), and keep DOD on the bench.

Like htismaqe said, we don’t really have a SLB on the roster.

[O.city]

Eh seems like a weird fit and a bit of a waste.

If we’re going to take Bush put him in the middle, Hitchens at WLB (or vice versa), and keep DOD on the bench.

Like htismaqe said, we don’t really have a SLB on the roster.

I’d look at putting bush in the middle and the other two on the outside somewhere.

[staylor26]

I’d look at putting bush in the middle and the other two on the outside somewhere.

I suppose you can maybe put Hitchens there

O’Daniel - Bush - Hitchens

[CoMoChief]

I'd love it if Chiefs drafted Bush.

This is probably wishful thinking but..
1.LB-Devin Bush
2.CB-Amani Oruwariye
2.S-Johnathan Abram

[staylor26]

I'd love it if Chiefs drafted Bush.

This is probably wishful thinking but..
1.LB-Devin Bush
2.CB-Amani Oruwariye
2.S-Johnathan Abram

That draft would be amazing.

Is this really CoMo :hmmm:

[CoMoChief]

That draft would be amazing.

Is this really CoMo :hmmm:

I've improved since my days of hoping for Manti Teo.

Only thing is..after the combine I doubt Bush will be there when we pick. Abram might be gone too.

[Chris Meck]

You need a little more weight at the SAM. 240-ish at least I'd guess. you can play WLB light, 220-230-. You're not going to have Tackles, TE's and pulling Guards coming at you due to how the DL stacks up.

[Chris Meck]

and I still want Jaylon Ferguson.

[htismaqe]

and I still want Jaylon Ferguson.

I have a feeling he's going to be gone. I'm seeing more and more mocks with him going in the late teens/early 20's.

[Chris Meck]

I have a feeling he's going to be gone. I'm seeing more and more mocks with him going in the late teens/early 20's.

most I've seen have him going in or around our spot.

[Chief Northman]

and I still want Jaylon Ferguson.

I’m with you. My personal favourite prospect that is realistically attainable.

Let’s get his jersey when the Chiefs draft him!

[Chargem]

We can only get Ferguson with the 1st if we let Ford or Houston go right?

[O.city]

https://twitter.com/fduffy3/status/1094184038485712896?s=21

[O.city]

https://twitter.com/cover_1_/status/1094613459776520193?s=21

[Chris Meck]

https://twitter.com/cover_1_/status/1094613459776520193?s=21

that's a good way to get smoked in the NFL.

[BryanBusby]

I'd love it if Chiefs drafted Bush.

This is probably wishful thinking but..
1.LB-Devin Bush
2.CB-Amani Oruwariye
2.S-Johnathan Abram
that would be a jimp 2 rounder, but I think Abram is gonna be a fringe first kind of guy.

[O.city]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">devin bush seems good. <br>he&#39;s the LB playing at a different speed than everyone else making all the plays <a href="https://t.co/ArhUm95d59">pic.twitter.com/ArhUm95d59</a></p>&mdash; KP (@KP_Show) <a href="https://twitter.com/KP_Show/status/1096083124075749376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 14, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[O.city]

So why can't Bush play inside and let Hitchens play the SLB

[htismaqe]

So why can't Bush play inside and let Hitchens play the SLB

Hitchens has never been a SLB. He's actually been a WLB most of his college and pro career with stints at MLB when necessary. For the Chiefs, he was playing the WILB in the 3-4.

[The Franchise]

Why can't Bush play SLB?

[O.city]

Hitchens has never been a SLB. He's actually been a WLB most of his college and pro career with stints at MLB when necessary. For the Chiefs, he was playing the WILB in the 3-4.

If that's what they do here though, where do you put DOD? I'd guess they want Hitch in the middle with DOD on the weak side, so I'd put Bush at SLB.

He's a little small for it, but he plays pretty fierce and is fast.

[htismaqe]

Why can't Bush play SLB?

I'm not sure Bush can hold up at SLB for 16 games. That does seem to be the only real option though.

[staylor26]

Why can't Bush play SLB?

It would be a waste of his talents IMO.

Put Bush at MLB and keep DOD on the bench with Hitchens at WLB or put Hitchens at SLB.

[The Franchise]

So interesting thing here....but take it for what it's worth because it's Wikipedia.

Anthony Hitchens.

2015
Hitchens was slated to become the strong side linebacker after the departure of Bruce Carter, but was switched to middle linebacker after Rolando McClain was suspended for the first four games.

2016
Hitchens began training camp competing with Kyle Wilber and Damien Wilson for the role as the strongside linebacker.[22] He took over the role as the Cowboys' starting middle linebacker after Rolando McClain was dealt a ten-game suspension after violating the performance-enhancing drugs policy.

I wonder if he could move to SLB in our system.

[Mecca]

I think Hitchens and DOD are our OLB's as of right now, put Bush in the middle. You have some speed at LB then.

Also with all the subs and different fronts they'll do nothing saying Hitchens has to be part of the subs.

[O.city]

I think Hitchens and DOD are our OLB's as of right now, put Bush in the middle. You have some speed at LB then.

Also with all the subs and different fronts they'll do nothing saying Hitchens has to be part of the subs.

I think if you put those 3 out there, you could potentially play the base a lot more and be able to defend in it.

That's what always made those Harbaugh 9er teams so damn good. They had badass MLB's who could do everything so they'd just stay in their base d and beat the shit out of you.

[DJ's left nut]

Hitchens would be a viable Sam; not sure I like him as a Will at all. In the middle I think he's passable but perhaps a little less than I'd like to see there.

If we drafted a new MLB, the LB corps seems pretty straightfoward - Hitch as the SLB, Newjack in the middle and DoD as the WLB.

[Mecca]

Hitchens would be a viable Sam; not sure I like him as a Will at all. In the middle I think he's passable but perhaps a little less than I'd like to see there.

If we drafted a new MLB, the LB corps seems pretty straightfoward - Hitch as the SLB, Newjack in the middle and DoD as the WLB.

Yea and if that guy is Bush that makes the team speed significantly better back there.

This team isn't that far away from a good defense.

[O.city]

Hitchens would be a viable Sam; not sure I like him as a Will at all. In the middle I think he's passable but perhaps a little less than I'd like to see there.

If we drafted a new MLB, the LB corps seems pretty straightfoward - Hitch as the SLB, Newjack in the middle and DoD as the WLB.

Devin Bush for 29.

[DJ's left nut]

Yea and if that guy is Bush that makes the team speed significantly better back there.

This team isn't that far away from a good defense.

You're reaching for need if you take Bush in the 1st, IMO.

He's a fine prospect, but he's not a guy I'd be eager to take that high.

[O.city]

You're reaching for need if you take Bush in the 1st, IMO.

He's a fine prospect, but he's not a guy I'd be eager to take that high.

Depends what he runs I think in Indy.

He could inch up that high and be a little Hightower ish.

I like him a lot, but an added bonus is that he legit plays with a real fuck you attitude. This defense needs that.

[staylor26]

You're reaching for need if you take Bush in the 1st, IMO.

He's a fine prospect, but he's not a guy I'd be eager to take that high.

So if it came down to Bush or Wilson you’d take Wilson?

Asking because I’ve seen you say you would be ok with Wilson at 29.

[DJ's left nut]

So if it came down to Bush or Wilson you’d take Wilson?

Asking because I’ve seen you say you would be ok with Wilson at 29.

Yeah but I also changed my mind since then. I don't think I'd really like Wilson at 29 either. Same with Thompson who I would've originally been pretty happy with. I think I've joined the Adderley set there and would prefer him to Thompson.

Bush and Wilson are effectively a coinflip for me at this point though I probably like Bush a little more. I'd just be surprised if the board shook out in such a way that those are going to be my preferred choices.

[Chargem]

Depends what he runs I think in Indy.

He could inch up that high and be a little Hightower ish.

I like him a lot, but an added bonus is that he legit plays with a real fuck you attitude. This defense needs that.

The combine is sort of bullshit though, right? If you watch him play multiple seasons of football and you don't think he's a first round talent, why would watching him run in shorts change that?

No matter how fast he runs or how far he jumps, he would still be a reach in the first I think.

[DJ's left nut]

Depends what he runs I think in Indy.

He could inch up that high and be a little Hightower ish.

I like him a lot, but an added bonus is that he legit plays with a real fuck you attitude. This defense needs that.

He does play downhill and in the end that's probably what I've noticed that has moved him ever so slightly ahead of Wilson for me, though I think Wilson's a better pure athlete.

Hitchens is probably punching a little above his weight athleticially as a SLB but if you had Wilson and DoD out there with him, you'd sure be able to cover a lot of ground. Meanwhile Bush seems to just be a bit of a guided missile who could be pretty easily manipulated and you could see some pretty gaping holes in the middle with his aggression, DoD's youth and Hitchens mediocre athleticism.

I see arguments both ways but in the end it kinda just wants me to take them both off the board there. I don't know that I see either as ideal enough fits to convince me to use a 1st unless our board has just fallen to hell around us.

[DJ's left nut]

The combine is sort of bullshit though, right? If you watch him play multiple seasons of football and you don't think he's a first round talent, why would watching him run in shorts change that?

No matter how fast he runs or how far he jumps, he would still be a reach in the first I think.

I'm a SPARQ whore and just can't help it. I know it's stupid but man, gimme an athlete with a coaching staff and there's something I would be willing to work with.

The problem with the 'reach' analysis is the same as it ever was, especially in the late 1st. You can't extract the kind of price for that pick that I'd need to give it up AND you're not going to have Bush in the late 2nd in all likelihood. So if you want him, you can either get some piddly as 4th round pick to trade back (and risk losing him still) or take him in the 1st.

And if that's the guy you truly think best fits your team at that time, then there's no such thing as a reach.

I still don't think I'd do it.

[staylor26]

Yeah but I also changed my mind since then. I don't think I'd really like Wilson at 29 either. Same with Thompson who I would've originally been pretty happy with. I think I've joined the Adderley set there and would prefer him to Thompson.

Bush and Wilson are effectively a coinflip for me at this point though I probably like Bush a little more. I'd just be surprised if the board shook out in such a way that those are going to be my preferred choices.

I agree with all of that for the most part.

Adderley, Baker, Murphy, and even Mullen would have to all be gone for me to consider Bush/Wilson. Thompson too, but from the sounds of it I’m more open to him than you are.

I’d probably even take Dexter Lawrence before those guys, but they’re all in my next tier of defensive guys that I’d prefer not to take in the 1st but I wouldn’t hate it either.

[Chargem]

I'm a SPARQ whore and just can't help it. I know it's stupid but man, gimme an athlete with a coaching staff and there's something I would be willing to work with.

The problem with the 'reach' analysis is the same as it ever was, especially in the late 1st. You can't extract the kind of price for that pick that I'd need to give it up AND you're not going to have Bush in the late 2nd in all likelihood. So if you want him, you can either get some piddly as 4th round pick to trade back (and risk losing him still) or take him in the 1st.

And if that's the guy you truly think best fits your team at that time, then there's no such thing as a reach.

I still don't think I'd do it.

I don't know, if the 3 big name tight ends are off the board, and all the potential first round safeties, LBs, corners and pass rushers all go then I can see why you would take Bush and not consider it a reach. But unless you only have very few needs then taking a guy who's more of a second round guy is still a reach.

Insane as it sounds, I'd still rather take a pure first round talent at a premium position than draft a 2nd round talent that you have a greater need for position wise in the 1st.

[DJ's left nut]

I don't know, if the 3 big name tight ends are off the board, and all the potential first round safeties, LBs, corners and pass rushers all go then I can see why you would take Bush and not consider it a reach. But unless you only have very few needs then taking a guy who's more of a second round guy is still a reach.

Insane as it sounds, I'd still rather take a pure first round talent at a premium position than draft a 2nd round talent that you have a greater need for position wise in the 1st.

Sure - but I think this draft is only about 20 players deep in 'pure first round talents'. Maybe 25.

Now there's gonna be some QB reaches and someone snapping up a WR or OT that is probably higher than I'd go, but by the time you get to 29, your pickin's on 'pure first round talents' are gonna be awfully slim, especially at premium positions.

There's an excellent chance that you're looking at 1 of 2 things by then - a couple if 1st round talents at positions of secondary importance (I'm looking at you, Josh Jacobs) or a big ol' mash of borderline 1st/2nd round players at positions of higher importance and more significant relative need.

So that's how you end up with Devin Bush. You're looking at a half dozen guys of all roughly similar 'prospect value' with no clear standout option of the bunch so you go with need over taking perhaps a higher end player at RB or OG.

There's a world where Bush is our pick and I'm not upset about the pick, but that world requires 3 hours of dick punches as my preferred options get picked clean right ahead of us.

[O.city]

The thing with Bush is that you can teach discipline in there and with his ability and attitude you end up with what?

Say he runs a 4.58 or something at the combine. That make you guys ok with him there?

[O.city]

If he ends up being an Eric Kendricks type player there, wouldn't you be ok with that at 29?

[O.city]

The issue is going to be his size. He's a little small. If he can make up with that with speed and instincts that would be awesome.

I will say i'd much rather a guy have speed and instincts than just size.

[O.city]

I'll admit i'm all about athletes in there now, I don't really care as much about size. Maybe we get gashed because of it, but i'm tired of lead footed reggie ragland

[DJ's left nut]

The thing with Bush is that you can teach discipline in there and with his ability and attitude you end up with what?

Say he runs a 4.58 or something at the combine. That make you guys ok with him there?

Recall a guy named Ben Heeney? Pure ILB out of KU - fast, athletic and aggressive. Went in the 5th round and washed out in 3 years - clocked right at that 4.58. He simply didn't have the necessary feel to play the game at the next level - he just wanted to run around out there and I see waaaaaaay to much of that with Bush.

I'm arguing against my previous position here as an unabashed SPARQ whore but that's what happens when you remember a guy who looked a LOT like this guy who amounted to nothing.

Now on the flipside - Bush starts to sound a lot like Eric Kendricks as well. Kendricks went mid-2nd though I think he maybe had a little more of a standout college career than Bush; dude won the Butkus award as a SR. Granted, Bush was a finalist twice.

Explain to me what makes Bush a clearly superior prospect to Kendricks. I don't see a more aggressive mentality and in fact I think Kendricks is equally aggressive while also having a better feel in space. I don't think he's an obviously better athlete and there's a chance he tests out worse.

I just think he's more of a mid-2nd guy. And again, it may turn out that a mid-2nd round who fits our needs is the best we can do - it would just disappoint me if that's the case.

[DJ's left nut]

If he ends up being an Eric Kendricks type player there, wouldn't you be ok with that at 29?

Hey, you got something out before I finished my post again! Nicely done.

[O.city]

Recall a guy named Ben Heeney? Pure ILB out of KU - fast, athletic and aggressive. Went in the 5th round and washed out in 3 years - clocked right at that 4.58. He simply didn't have the necessary feel to play the game at the next level - he just wanted to run around out there and I see waaaaaaay to much of that with Bush.

I'm arguing against my previous position here as an unabashed SPARQ whore but that's what happens when you remember a guy who looked a LOT like this guy who amounted to nothing.

Now on the flipside - Bush starts to sound a lot like Eric Kendricks as well. Kendricks went mid-2nd though I think he maybe had a little more of a standout college career than Bush; dude won the Butkus award as a SR. Granted, Bush was a finalist twice.

Explain to me what makes Bush a clearly superior prospect to Kendricks. I don't see a more aggressive mentality and in fact I think Kendricks is equally aggressive while also having a better feel in space. I don't think he's an obviously better athlete and there's a chance he tests out worse.

I just think he's more of a mid-2nd guy. And again, it may turn out that a mid-2nd round who fits our needs is the best we can do - it would just disappoint me if that's the case.

Lotta truth

My issue is once you get to 25 and later, I tho k the difference in a guy there and the mid 2nd is pretty much subjective opinion from each team.

If they think a guy would be there with one of their seconds sure. But if a guy is gonna go top of the 2nd that you really want just take him at 29

[kccrow]

Would much rather have Wilson, he's just a more aggressive, violent player, and he's a bit bigger to boot.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Would much rather have Wilson, he's just a more aggressive, violent player, and he's a bit bigger to boot.

I don’t see that at all. I’ve watched two games now of Wilson, most recently Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl, and he was passive as fuck. Never really attacked and honestly appeared to be dogging it way more than I care to see.

It sucks because I want to like Wilson so bad. He’s a prototype for today’s ILB. But I seriously question his passion for the game based on what I’ve seen so far. He was just there for most of the snaps.

[Chris Meck]

Sure - but I think this draft is only about 20 players deep in 'pure first round talents'. Maybe 25.

Now there's gonna be some QB reaches and someone snapping up a WR or OT that is probably higher than I'd go, but by the time you get to 29, your pickin's on 'pure first round talents' are gonna be awfully slim, especially at premium positions.

There's an excellent chance that you're looking at 1 of 2 things by then - a couple if 1st round talents at positions of secondary importance (I'm looking at you, Josh Jacobs) or a big ol' mash of borderline 1st/2nd round players at positions of higher importance and more significant relative need.

So that's how you end up with Devin Bush. You're looking at a half dozen guys of all roughly similar 'prospect value' with no clear standout option of the bunch so you go with need over taking perhaps a higher end player at RB or OG.

There's a world where Bush is our pick and I'm not upset about the pick, but that world requires 3 hours of dick punches as my preferred options get picked clean right ahead of us.

oh I think it's deeper than that. I think there might be 10 players that would've gone before Fisher if this was the '13 draft. And some of the QB's that are gonna go in the 1st add to the depth although I don't think any of them are as good of prospects as the first rounders in '17 or -18.

I think it's real deep in CB's, S's, and DL. It's just the differences between the quality level of players is pretty slight until you get into maybe the late 2nd. For instance, I don't think Greedy Williams is THAT much better a prospect than Oriwariye or Baker, for example.

[staylor26]

If that 4.43 holds up, he has to be in the conversation at 29

[BryanBusby]

He's not making it to 29, so nothing to discuss IMO

[DJ's left nut]

If that 4.43 holds up, he has to be in the conversation at 29

Did anyone doubt that he was fast?

I'll concede, that 10th or so is no joke; I didn't realize he was THAT fast, but he was obviously fast even from his tape.

The problem is still instincts for me. Is the guy just going to flash right off your screen as he over-pursues again? Is he going to run really fast right out of his coverage responsibilities.

I don't want to fall into the habit I oft fall into of overstating the warts on a guy because he's not my preferred option. Like I said - there's a world where he's the pick at 29 and I'm not upset about it.

But I do think there are some red flags here that his 40 time doesn't address.

[BryanBusby]

He has Colts written allover him

[O.city]

https://twitter.com/willblackmon/status/1106764350147055616?s=21

[The Franchise]

I’d be ok with him at 29. Not sure what it does with the LB group but who the fuck cares anymore. Just get talent in here.

[TambaBerry]

I’d be ok with him at 29. Not sure what it does with the LB group but who the fuck cares anymore. Just get talent in here.

This is where I'm at, take the player that's number one on your board

[ntexascardfan]

I think I'm a bit more bullish than most on Devin Bush.

I see him as a guy that can really take our defense up a notch.

with him, DoD, and Hitchens you suddenly have 3 linebackers that can cover a lot of space...and I think he'd do a lot of damage at the LoS getting to play behind our new D-line. I think he has the potential to be among the best in the league at TFL once he's fully integrated into a system.

I'd trade up into the late teens to get him if he's still hanging around on the board.

[kccrow]

I place ILB a long ways behind RDE and CB1 at this point. I really question Veach's decision to axe Houston AND Ford in the same offseason and I think it's going to blow up in his face if he doesn't get an edge player. There isn't an outside CB on the FA market really worth a shit. There's a couple of okay slots like Dennard and Callahan.

That said, Bush is a solid player. He actually seems like the guy Pittsburgh would target to replace Shazier in the middle so I think you'd have to leap them for him and if I'm going up I'm going up for one of a CB or DE and not an ILB. I think you'd still get a good player in Mack Wilson or Germaine Pratt in round 2.

[O.city]

Yeah, I don't think ILB would be on the table unless they think one of the top 2 guys are Kuechly type players there for them.

There's just too many holes on the defense that don't even have a starter.

[DJ's left nut]

I place ILB a long ways behind RDE and CB1 at this point. I really question Veach's decision to axe Houston AND Ford in the same offseason and I think it's going to blow up in his face if he doesn't get an edge player. There isn't an outside CB on the FA market really worth a shit. There's a couple of okay slots like Dennard and Callahan.

That said, Bush is a solid player. He actually seems like the guy Pittsburgh would target to replace Shazier in the middle so I think you'd have to leap them for him and if I'm going up I'm going up for one of a CB or DE and not an ILB. I think you'd still get a good player in Mack Wilson or Germaine Pratt in round 2.

Callahan's off the board - Denver.

I'd say CB is just as important as DL at this point but the CB options are FAR worse in this draft.

It's just hard to know what's gonna happen, though. I guess Sweat could fall w/ the heart condition and at 29 maybe he's worth the gamble. Just all seems like it's gonna have to come together on the fly because there aren't any clear answers left.

[O.city]

Callahan's off the board - Denver.

I'd say CB is just as important as DL at this point but the CB options are FAR worse in this draft.

It's just hard to know what's gonna happen, though. I guess Sweat could fall w/ the heart condition and at 29 maybe he's worth the gamble. Just all seems like it's gonna have to come together on the fly because there aren't any clear answers left.

This is kind of where i'm wondering what the initial plan was?

I mean we see now that they wanted Earl at 12 mil so that makes sense to clear that for this season I suppose.

But what the hell is the plan at Corner and DE?

[DJ's left nut]

This is kind of where i'm wondering what the initial plan was?

I mean we see now that they wanted Earl at 12 mil so that makes sense to clear that for this season I suppose.

But what the hell is the plan at Corner and DE?

Looks like the plan at CB is to replace Nelson with a similarly average option and then target DL in the draft.

I mean the CB situation isn't any worse than it was and I was never convinced CB was the problem, not once Scandrick got off the field. The issue was safety and off-ball LB.

Well safety has been partially addressed and I guess they intend to deal with off-ball LB via the new system and different responsibilities.

[O.city]

Looks like the plan at CB is to replace Nelson with a similarly average option and then target DL in the draft.

I mean the CB situation isn't any worse than it was and I was never convinced CB was the problem, not once Scandrick got off the field. The issue was safety and off-ball LB.

Well safety has been partially addressed and I guess they intend to deal with off-ball LB via the new system and different responsibilities.

Maybe. Seems that way atleast.

I think they've got something in the works via tag and pay but I can't be sure.

[staylor26]

Starting to think this might really be the target.

LB is the one position we haven’t addressed and I simply am not buying that they’re prepared to start Ragland.

Wasn’t there some smoke with the Chiefs/Bush too O.City?

[O.city]

Starting to think this might really be the target.

LB is the one position we haven’t addressed and I simply am not buying that they’re prepared to start Ragland.

Wasn’t there some smoke with the Chiefs/Bush too O.City?

Yeah, can't for the life of me find where it was though.


Something along the lines of "the chiefs aren't hiding their love for Devin Bush very much".

[staylor26]

Yeah, can't for the life of me find where it was though.


Something along the lines of "the chiefs aren't hiding their love for Devin Bush very much".

You combine that with the fact that we were reportedly in on Mosley and I think it may be legit.

[O.city]

Kind of reading the tea leaves with the moves they've made (let Houston go, trade Ford) I think they've got their eyes on one of the pass rushers in the draft and are making moves to try to either trade up for in the draft, or use draft picks to trade for.

[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I really, really like Germaine Pratt. 240-pound hitter who played FS his first two years at NC State. Zone drops are pretty. Can lock up tight ends in man. Oh, and he&#39;ll come downhill and smack you.</p>&mdash; Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/1107789571209596928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[O.city]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I really, really like Germaine Pratt. 240-pound hitter who played FS his first two years at NC State. Zone drops are pretty. Can lock up tight ends in man. Oh, and he&#39;ll come downhill and smack you.</p>&mdash; Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/1107789571209596928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I haven't really watched him.

The saccapoo draft really helps me get to know these guys in the past and now being out I haven't researched much.

[TambaBerry]

I haven't really watched him.

The saccapoo draft really helps me get to know these guys in the past and now being out I haven't researched much.

Pratt sort of reminds me of Darius Leonard and why I took him in last years draft. Im not saying he will be Darius Leonard, but I would love to draft Pratt in the 2nd

[O.city]

Pratt sort of reminds me of Darius Leonard and why I took him in last years draft. Im not saying he will be Darius Leonard, but I would love to draft Pratt in the 2nd

I'll have to do a little digging on him.

[O.city]

What would he theoretically play here? MLB?

[O.city]

My limited reading seems to say he's tight in the hips and can't run very well?

[TambaBerry]

My limited reading seems to say he's tight in the hips and can't run very well?

from what ive seen he is a really good blitzer, and his biggest con is that he gets stuck on blocks which is kind of a big deal for a linebacker. I think House could help him out though teaching him technique. He was a former safety so I think coverage would come natural to him.

[O.city]

That's what I would think.

I definitely don't want LBers that can't run.

[DJ's left nut]

He's a Sam, IMO.

I like him, but I don't think I'd use a 2nd. I'd use a 2nd on D'Andre Walker but I'm not thinking he'll last that long.

Pratt's not a MLB, IMO, and isn't enough of a threat rushing the passer for me to be terribly enthusiastic about using a 2nd on him to man the Sam spot.

[O.city]

He's a Sam, IMO.

I like him, but I don't think I'd use a 2nd. I'd use a 2nd on D'Andre Walker but I'm not thinking he'll last that long.

Pratt's not a MLB, IMO, and isn't enough of a threat rushing the passer for me to be terribly enthusiastic about using a 2nd on him to man the Sam spot.

Yeah, the spots we kinda need just don't seem to be fitting with where we're drafting.

They may have to overdraft someone a bit which isn't ideal.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Will catch up on this thread, but if not mentioned, watch Blake Cashman. He’s definitely going to be a target for KC. Really good Mike, good instincts, high IQ, tackler