Nate Taylor article

[O.city]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New story. “They speak the same language.” On Steve Spagnuolo’s interview with Andy Reid, their relationship &amp; their expectation of Super Bowl or bust for next season. <a href="https://t.co/drIBEGbEe1">https://t.co/drIBEGbEe1</a></p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1090375478232473601?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 29, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Best22]

Why did it take Reid so long to get a coach who actually speaks English?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

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[DJ's left nut]

Alright, I don’t subscribe to the Athletic. Is it really worth it? Give me the honest truth

I don't think it's even a close question - I love it. I bought in at the piddly trial rate of like $3/month or something and I don't even know when it ends or if it auto-renews at the regular rate or what because if they charged me $10-$15/mo, I'd go ahead and pay it.

But I follow the Chiefs, Cardinals, Blues, Tigers and Lakers (as well as some of their fantasy writers) so I have a ton of content; probably 3-4 articles/day to read while I'm taking a shit.

But if you're maybe a 2-sport fan or something, it may not be quite as worthwhile.

[SuperChief]

Alright, I don’t subscribe to the Athletic. Is it really worth it? Give me the honest truth

Absolutely, yes. Along with the usual coverage you get with most outlets, there's also a ton of in-depth, data-driven breakdowns of plays/games/etc. Well worth it imo.

[The Franchise]

I don't think it's even a close question - I love it. I bought in at the piddly trial rate of like $3/month or something and I don't even know when it ends or if it auto-renews at the regular rate or what because if they charged me $10-$15/mo, I'd go ahead and pay it.

But I follow the Chiefs, Cardinals, Blues, Tigers and Lakers (as well as some of their fantasy writers) so I have a ton of content; probably 3-4 articles/day to read while I'm taking a shit.

But if you're maybe a 2-sport fan or something, it may not be quite as worthwhile.

Any good Irish content?

[RealSNR]

Any good Irish content?

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[Marcellus]

Spagnuolo, 49, felt overwhelming jubilation in joining Reid and the Chiefs, according to a source, and intends to embrace the pressure he inherits from his role. The Chiefs led the league in scoring in the regular season, have a talented young quarterback in Patrick Mahomes — who many analysts predict will be named the league’s MVP Saturday night — and Reid believes anything short of a Super Bowl appearance next season would be considered a failure.


PBJ

[DJ's left nut]

Any good Irish content?

One guy gives a couple articles/week - Pete Sampson. I mean, I presume they have a basketball writer as well but I can't claim to care.

The two most recent articles are about Zeke Correll and Lance Taylor so certainly more in-depth than what you're gonna find on Yahoo or ESPN.

[RealSNR]

So... news to me, maybe it was posted elsewhere, but I guess they're in the process of interviewing all the current coaches on staff to see if they want to keep them before Spags gets introduced in a press conference next week.

[htismaqe]

If nothing else, he brings hunger and enthusiasm. He not only wants to be a Chief but he wants the pressure of being put in Sutton's position.

[TwistedChief]

Two thoughts:
1/ The Athletic is exceptional. Everyone I know who is really into and understand sports and has a subscription is an enthusiastic acolyte. I don’t love the NBA and have no connection to the Pistons, but I find myself - when I just want some escape - reading anything, including a profile of the Pistons offseason, and I feel great about it.
2/ This article hurts. No doubt Andy knew Sutton was gone mid-season but would never be the guy to pull the trigger. Ugh.

[T-post Tom]

"Spagnuolo showed Reid what he would have done to disrupt quarterback Tom Brady and the Patriots' offense, which scored 37 points at Arrowhead Stadium to reach the Super Bowl."

"Reid believes anything short of a Super Bowl appearance next season would be considered a failure."


:clap:

[staylor26]

Two thoughts:
1/ The Athletic is exceptional. Everyone I know who is really into and understand sports and has a subscription is an enthusiastic acolyte. I don’t love the NBA and have no connection to the Pistons, but I find myself - when I just want some escape - reading anything, including a profile of the Pistons offseason, and I feel great about it.
2/ This article hurts. No doubt Andy knew Sutton was gone mid-season but would never be the guy to pull the trigger. Ugh.

Can you expand on this? Was it something that was said in the article?

[FAX]

"Reid believes anything short of a Super Bowl appearance next season would be considered a failure."



:clap:

He isn't wrong.

FAX

[TwistedChief]

Don’t want to post the entire thing but will here. It’s good and thoughtful. I read between the lines that Reid was astute enough to feel like Sutton’s consistent lack of adjustment was a problem.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Steve Spagnuolo arrived in Kansas City last Wednesday optimistic his NFL coaching career would be reignited with the Chiefs. Spagnuolo spent most of Thursday inside the Chiefs’ facility with head coach Andy Reid, and the men talked for hours.

Early in the interview process, Spagnuolo and Reid did what many coaches would call “revisionary game-planning.” As in, they discussed the Chiefs’ overtime loss to the New England Patriots in the AFC Championship game just four days earlier, according to a league source. Spagnuolo showed Reid what he would have done to disrupt quarterback Tom Brady and the Patriots’ offense, which scored 37 points at Arrowhead Stadium to reach the Super Bowl.

Reid expressed his frustration and disappointment in the Chiefs’ defense, which tied for the NFL lead in sacks (52) during the regular season. Against the Patriots, the Chiefs didn’t come close to sacking Brady, who was hit just once in his 46 pass attempts. Spagnuolo, a coach known for defeating Brady and the Patriots in the past while under pressure, detailed how the Chiefs’ defense, under his direction, would attack with the intention of confusing opposing quarterbacks with blitzes and complex zone coverages.

Hours later, Spagnuolo signed a multiyear deal to become the Chiefs’ new defensive coordinator.


“Steve is a bright defensive mind with a lot of coaching experience and success in our league,” Reid said last week in a statement released by the team. “I know him well from our time together in Philadelphia and I feel that his leadership skills and teaching abilities, combined with his scheme, will be a great fit for our team as we move forward.”

Spagnuolo, 49, felt overwhelming jubilation in joining Reid and the Chiefs, according to a source, and intends to embrace the pressure he inherits from his role. The Chiefs led the league in scoring in the regular season, have a talented young quarterback in Patrick Mahomes — who many analysts predict will be named the league’s MVP Saturday night — and Reid believes anything short of a Super Bowl appearance next season would be considered a failure.

During his interview, Spagnuolo described Mahomes as a megastar, and expressed his interest in being one of the people most responsible for helping Mahomes and Reid capture their first championship together.

“I’ve always respected Andy and what he’s done” Spagnuolo said of Reid in November 2017 as the New York Giants’ defensive coordinator. He added of the Chiefs’ offense then: “They’re as multiple (formations) as multiple gets. They’ve got really good players doing it, and they’ve had the same players doing it. It’s not the Philadelphia offense. There are more wrinkles to it.”

Spagnuolo is tasked with improving a defensive unit that ranked 31st in total defense and surrendered 26.3 points per game this season. As for his defensive scheme, Spagnuolo is expected to install his 4-3 under base system, a major change from the 3-4 defense the Chiefs used under former defensive coordinator Bob Sutton, who was fired last week.

Spagnuolo and Reid spent time Thursday exploring the Chiefs’ subpackage options based on the personnel from this season’s roster. Spagnuolo went through how different defenders fit certain packages better, whether in nickel or dime alignments based on the formation and personnel of the opposing offense. Reid believes Spagnuolo’s ability to teach will help the returning defenders, in particular the younger players, transition well into the new defensive scheme during the team’s offseason activities.

Last year, Spagnuolo was out of the league and didn’t coach for the first time in his 20-year NFL career. The Giants signed Spagnuolo in February 2017 to a two-year extension through the 2018 season before he became the team’s interim coach in the final month of the 2017 season. Spagnuolo interviewed for the Giants’ vacancy, but the team instead hired Pat Shurmur.

Without a job, Spagnuolo spent his time attending football camps and talking with various coaches around the country that he admires. He also appeared a few times on TV and radio to give his perspective on the league. And he watched plenty of football with the idea of preparing himself to coach again in 2019.

As for his assistants with the Chiefs, Spagnuolo, according to a source, could overhaul much of the defensive staff that worked under Sutton this season. Before Spagnuolo has his first news conference next week, he and Reid are expected to interview the assistants to see who should remain with the team. Two assistants have already left the Chiefs. Mike Smith, the team’s former outside linebackers coach, was hired by the Green Bay Packers on Friday for the same position. Meanwhile, middle linebackers coach Mark DeLeone has been hired by the Bears.

Spagnuolo was Reid’s top choice when he began calling candidates last week. Reid also considered veteran coaches such as John Fox and Jack Del Rio, both of whom have head coaching experience. Former head coach Rex Ryan, who ESPN reported last week as a possible candidate for the Chiefs, didn’t interview for the position.

Reid felt most comfortable with Spagnuolo, who he brought into the NFL in 1999. Spagnuolo served as the defensive backs and linebackers assistant for eight seasons under Reid during their time together with the Eagles, which included the team reaching the 2002 Super Bowl. During his first stint with the Giants, Spagnuolo, as the defensive coordinator, helped the team win the 2007 Super Bowl over the previously undefeated Patriots by hitting and pressuring Brady throughout the game.

After a disappointing three-year stretch as the St. Louis Rams’ coach, Spagnuolo was offered a job by Reid to return to the Eagles as their defensive coordinator. Spagnuolo, however, accepted the same position with the New Orleans Saints, a mistake he later acknowledged. He spent just one season in New Orleans before re-establishing himself with the Giants.

Since then, sources say, Spagnuolo has always wanted another opportunity to work with Reid. Spagnuolo appreciated Reid’s willingness to trust him with the responsibility of commanding and redefining the Chiefs’ defense. In their meeting Thursday, it didn’t take long for either man to convince the other that they can, once again, be successful together.

“They speak the same language,” a source said of Spagnuolo and Reid.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Andy considered Jack Del Rio and John Fox but Steve was his top choice.

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[htismaqe]

Don’t want to post the entire thing but will here. It’s good and thoughtful. I read between the lines that Reid was astute enough to feel like Sutton’s consistent lack of adjustment was a problem.

As a couple of people theorized earlier, I think Andy wanted Spagnuolo LAST YEAR and it's entirely possible after the Macadoo fiasco that Spags just wasn't ready. Rather than settle, Andy decided to wait it out. Sure, I imagine he regrets that now but I highly doubt he, or anybody else, expected to be playing for an AFC championship in OT this year.

[DJ's left nut]

Two thoughts:
1/ The Athletic is exceptional. Everyone I know who is really into and understand sports and has a subscription is an enthusiastic acolyte. I don’t love the NBA and have no connection to the Pistons, but I find myself - when I just want some escape - reading anything, including a profile of the Pistons offseason, and I feel great about it.
2/ This article hurts. No doubt Andy knew Sutton was gone mid-season but would never be the guy to pull the trigger. Ugh.

You want the best insights, you follow the guys that get paid to do it. At the national level, those are still going to be found on Yahoo and the major national sports sites.

But for team-specific coverage in an era where local circulation desks are being slashed and burned, you just aren't going to get that anymore. The best place to find high quality team-specific content is not a bunch of glorified bloggers - it's The Athletic.

Even a guy like Craig Stout, who I think is excellent, will probably end up getting poached by The Athletic or some eventual challenger to them if he continues to produce the kind of content he did last year.

You don't pay for the content just for the sake of doing so - you pay for it because it's just better than the other guys. Hell, on a weekly basis I would go track the writers for the teams we were playing to get insight on them as well and would almost invariably learn something I didn't know. It's just a hell of a resource and worth the cost. I don't mind paying for that level of content at all.

[DJ's left nut]

As a couple of people theorized earlier, I think Andy wanted Spagnuolo LAST YEAR and it's entirely possible after the Macadoo fiasco that Spags just wasn't ready. Rather than settle, Andy decided to wait it out. Sure, I imagine he regrets that now but I highly doubt he, or anybody else, expected to be playing for an AFC championship in OT this year.

The running theme you'll find from guys like Mellinger to the folks on 810 that speak to people inside Arrowhead is that NOBODY in the organization expected Mahomes to be this good, this fast and that this season was never expected to be this successful.

It's cold comfort, to be sure. But it is certainly an indication that they did everything last off-season with an eye on 2019 and 2020. My only concern now is that they'll do some stuff that makes 2021 and onward a lot more onerous.

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[Mr. Wizard]

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[htismaqe]

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[FringeNC]

"Spagnuolo showed Reid what he would have done to disrupt quarterback Tom Brady and the Patriots' offense, which scored 37 points at Arrowhead Stadium to reach the Super Bowl."

"Reid believes anything short of a Super Bowl appearance next season would be considered a failure."


:clap:

I'm glad there's no f'n around, and everybody understands what is expected, but I don't want them spending like a drunken sailor. I want a f'n dynasty. One SB isn't enough.

Also, even though Andy is an offensive guy, I think he understands football enough that Spags' game plan may have been pretty good for Andy to be impressed.

[TwistedChief]

As a couple of people theorized earlier, I think Andy wanted Spagnuolo LAST YEAR and it's entirely possible after the Macadoo fiasco that Spags just wasn't ready. Rather than settle, Andy decided to wait it out. Sure, I imagine he regrets that now but I highly doubt he, or anybody else, expected to be playing for an AFC championship in OT this year.

I can see this having played a part. But the narrative last offseason was that Sutton didn’t have the personnel and our team didn’t have the “attitude” on defense (that was the entire Veach talking point around the draft). We didn’t have Berry for an entire season (this is when people actually thought that was a huge negative! NB: I still do!), Houston and Ford were chronically injured brokedicks, DJ was a washed up ILB, Peters was a cancer, we had no DB who had any ball awareness, etc. You then get Hitchens, you lose Peters but acquire Fuller who was the best slot corner the prior season, you pray for health (which we got from Ford and Houston for the most part), you devote your entire draft to defense, and you see where the chips land.

Our starting defense got annhilated by Chase Daniel and the Bears second team in our final preseason showing. Red fucking flag (remove Amersom, insert Scandrick and Parker). It seemed clear by the Rams game - at the latest - that something needed to change. That we were still defensively incompetent. As we’ve discussed, we were both crestfallen that the Chiefs did nothing at the deadline. The change just could’ve come earlier. Hypothetical: had Spags come in during the early January off week and become our DC, does our defense even perform worse in a triage situation? We might be in a SB.

[htismaqe]

I can see this having played a part. But the narrative last offseason was that Sutton didn’t have the personnel and our team didn’t have the “attitude” on defense (that was the entire Veach talking point around the draft). We didn’t have Berry for an entire season (this is when people actually thought that was a huge negative! NB: I still do!), Houston and Ford were chronically injured brokedicks, DJ was a washed up ILB, Peters was a cancer, we had no DB who had any ball awareness, etc. You then get Hitchens, you lose Peters but acquire Fuller who was the best slot corner the prior season, you pray for health (which we got from Ford and Houston for the most part), you devote your entire draft to defense, and you see where the chips land.

Our starting defense got annhilated by Chase Daniel and the Bears second team in our final preseason showing. Red fucking flag (remove Amersom, insert Scandrick and Parker). It seemed clear by the Rams game - at the latest - that something needed to change. That we were still defensively incompetent. As we’ve discussed, we were both crestfallen that the Chiefs did nothing at the deadline. The change just could’ve come earlier. Hypothetical: had Spags come in during the early January off week and become our DC, does our defense even perform worse in a triage situation? We might be in a SB.

I know man, I get it. But it's all in the past now. Gotta move forward. They're going to be right back in contention next year and the year after, time to focus on that. ;)

[TwistedChief]

I know man, I get it. But it's all in the past now. Gotta move forward. They're going to be right back in contention next year and the year after, time to focus on that. ;)

You’ve become such a dick since your surgery. All these rainbows and sunshine and ice cream and blowjobs. It’s unbecoming as a Chiefs fan. Insufferable, even.

[htismaqe]

You’ve become such a dick since your surgery. All these rainbows and sunshine and ice cream and blowjobs. It’s unbecoming as a Chiefs fan. Insufferable, even.

ROFL

[htismaqe]

Little do you know that my transformation happened the Sunday before my surgery, when I got to hang out with YOU.

It's all your fault I'm like this. LOL

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I can see this having played a part. But the narrative last offseason was that Sutton didn’t have the personnel and our team didn’t have the “attitude” on defense (that was the entire Veach talking point around the draft). We didn’t have Berry for an entire season (this is when people actually thought that was a huge negative! NB: I still do!), Houston and Ford were chronically injured brokedicks, DJ was a washed up ILB, Peters was a cancer, we had no DB who had any ball awareness, etc. You then get Hitchens, you lose Peters but acquire Fuller who was the best slot corner the prior season, you pray for health (which we got from Ford and Houston for the most part), you devote your entire draft to defense, and you see where the chips land.

Our starting defense got annhilated by Chase Daniel and the Bears second team in our final preseason showing. Red ****ing flag (remove Amersom, insert Scandrick and Parker). It seemed clear by the Rams game - at the latest - that something needed to change. That we were still defensively incompetent. As we’ve discussed, we were both crestfallen that the Chiefs did nothing at the deadline. The change just could’ve come earlier. Hypothetical: had Spags come in during the early January off week and become our DC, does our defense even perform worse in a triage situation? We might be in a SB.

If Dumbass Dee Ford hadn't lined up in the neutreal zone we'd be playing Sunday. Just sayin.

[comochiefsfan]

Next year really feels like it's lining up to be our year.

Mahomes with another year under his belt, Spagnuolo revitalizing the defense, and Reid going all out for a title.

Plus, look at the competition.

The Chargers (namely Phyliss) aren't going to repeat what they did this year. The rest of our division sucks.

Outside of the west, the Patriots might be losing Gronk and McCourtey. Plus Brady will be one year older. After that, who scares you?

The Steelers? Not with all the drama they have. The Ravens aren't winning shit with Lamar Jackson. The Browns aren't ready yet. AFC East is a joke. Bill O'Brien isn't walking into Arrowhead and beating us. Titans? Nope. Jaguars? LOL.

The biggest threat is probably the Colts and we just blew them out in the divisional round.

We going to the ship next year boys!

[FringeNC]

Next year really feels like it's lining up to be our year.

Mahomes with another year under his belt, Spagnuolo revitalizing the defense, and Reid going all out for a title.

Plus, look at the competition.

The Chargers (namely Phyliss) aren't going to repeat what they did this year. The rest of our division sucks.

Outside of the west, the Patriots might be losing Gronk and McCourtey. Plus Brady will be one year older. After that, who scares you?

The Steelers? Not with all the drama they have. The Ravens aren't winning shit with Lamar Jackson. The Browns aren't ready yet. AFC East is a joke. Bill O'Brien isn't walking into Arrowhead and beating us. Titans? Nope. Jaguars? LOL.

The biggest threat is probably the Colts and we just blew them out in the divisional round.

We going to the ship next year boys!

This year was our year too, and we shit the bed.

[htismaqe]

This year was our year too, and we shit the bed.

In hindsight, it could have been their year. NOBODY thought it was at this time last year, that's the point.

[O.city]

Well with Andy saying that about next year I think it’s time to prepare for a wild ass offseason

[O.city]

Although if he thinks it’s that close he may look ago keep some of theee guys around and hope it was scheme

[Marcellus]

Little do you know that my transformation happened the Sunday before my surgery, when I got to hang out with YOU.

It's all your fault I'm like this. LOL

You are welcome. :D

[Marcellus]

Well with Andy saying that about next year I think it’s time to prepare for a wild ass offseason

Yip!

[InChiefsHeaven]

It would be kinda cool if Spags had also told Andy what he would do to stop OUR offense...just sayin'...nobody really has, not for a whole game anyway. Ravens, Patriots...that's about it. WWSD?

[BigRedChief]

Alright, I don’t subscribe to the Athletic. Is it really worth it? Give me the honest truthwell worth $2 a month.

[BigRedChief]

In hindsight, it could have been their year. NOBODY thought it was at this time last year, that's the point.THIS! No one thought Mahomes would be this good, this quick. Nobody.

Regrets? Maybe if they had pulled the trigger on the Thomas trade 2 weeks earlier? Maybe it’s just enough to get a stop on one those 3rd downs in overtime?

But, we have 3 years of cheaper Mahomes to get us a SB title. Better be all-in for each of those 3 years.

[FringeNC]

In hindsight, it could have been their year. NOBODY thought it was at this time last year, that's the point.

I think Andy Reid is a great coach, and the positives outweigh the negatives for sure. Having said that, he made a colossal blunder in retaining Bob Sutton after all the playoff debacles. I'm sure no one regrets more than Reid himself. Doesn't matter how ahead of schedule Mahomes was, it made no sense to retain Sutton.

We let one slip through our fingers and we all know it, most of all Reid. The sting is not going away until we win one.

[htismaqe]

I think Andy Reid is a great coach, and the positives outweigh the negatives for sure. Having said that, he made a colossal blunder in retaining Bob Sutton after all the playoff debacles. I'm sure no one regrets more than Reid himself. Doesn't matter how ahead of schedule Mahomes was, it made no sense to retain Sutton.

We let one slip through our fingers and we all know it, most of all Reid. The sting is not going away until we win one.

We can agree to disagree on that. They felt they had personnel issues. You can't change it all at once because if things change, especially for the worse, it makes it harder to identify the cause. It's also entirely plausible that Andy would rather keep Sutton than hire Joe Schmo and settle for someone that wasn't perfect for the job.

He certainly could have let Sutton go last year and it would have been a good, justified move.

Not letting him go is not a colossal blunder however. Not at all. It's a calculated move that failed, nothing more.

[bowener]

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You could subvert their subscription if you want. I don't have the time at the moment but google "how to get around paywalls" and you will find a ton of articles on what you can do. Do that, sample their articles, subscribe if you like them (or continue to read for free).

[O.city]

It would be kinda cool if Spags had also told Andy what he would do to stop OUR offense...just sayin'...nobody really has, not for a whole game anyway. Ravens, Patriots...that's about it. WWSD?

Chris Simms talks about this a lot and I think it's something that a lot of teams suck at, but you've got to self scout. You just have to know what you aren't good at, where teams are going to attack you etc.

[Rawlsian]

I like their content.

[KCwolf]

Alright, I don’t subscribe to the Athletic. Is it really worth it? Give me the honest truth

100% worth it

[Chief Pagan]

You’ve become such a dick since your surgery. All these rainbows and sunshine and ice cream and blowjobs. It’s unbecoming as a Chiefs fan. Insufferable, even.

There was a time when I thought the world loved me and that I loved the world.

Then I realized it was just the IV drip morphine.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Went ahead and subscribed. Seems awesome.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Two thoughts:

2/ This article hurts. No doubt Andy knew Sutton was gone mid-season but would never be the guy to pull the trigger. Ugh.

Do we know for certain yet that Clark did or did not demand it? You KNOW it had to be topic #1 between those two once the dust settled after the game, and everyone's head came back down to Earth.
I don't think you're going to see much "Mr. Nice Guy" in terms of personnel and players from Reid and Hunt going forward; there's WAY too much at stake now.

"Spagnuolo showed Reid what he would have done to disrupt quarterback Tom Brady and the Patriots' offense, which scored 37 points at Arrowhead Stadium to reach the Super Bowl."

"Reid believes anything short of a Super Bowl appearance next season would be considered a failure."


:clap:

What would you give to be a fly on the wall at THAT meeting? I'm feeling very confident about this hire; Spags is the guy you want grooming your future defensive stars as well as grooming up and coming coaches.
It's good to see that Andy has his priorities straight. I sometimes wonder if the guy is scared of success in some capacity though. It sure would answer a LOT of questions that are twisting in the wind. In any case, he better get "un-scared" because when the Chiefs get that Ring, the first question out of everyone's mouth a few weeks later is going to be, "does the dynasty start now, or are we looking at a Super Bowl hangover"? NO ONE is going to accept "one and gone" for the next 50 years. Not with a QB like Mahomes, and rightly so. If it were Smith or another 1st round talent with a better skill-set, Chiefs fans would rightly drop to the ground and kiss the Earth just to have been to the Big Game and won it. Not so with Reid/Mahomes. Extended championship success WILL be expected by all. And as long as Mahomes continues to grow and develop, and the Chiefs can provide him with a rock-solid defense that doesn't lose games, there's no reason on Earth that the Chiefs couldn't deliver on such a great demand.

Andy considered Jack Del Rio and John Fox but Steve was his top choice.

And Rex Ryan wasn't even interviewed. 'Bleeding Red' wept...:)

[Chief Northman]

Chris Simms talks about this a lot and I think it's something that a lot of teams suck at, but you've got to self scout. You just have to know what you aren't good at, where teams are going to attack you etc.

I’m not in a rehashing mood, but I place A LOT of blame on Reid for that loss to the Patriots. Understandably, the defense/Sutton will garner a lot of the criticism, but Andy didn’t have the team ready to play. The whole world knew the Pats would run until they were stopped and would paper-cut the Chiefs to death. What was more frustrating was watching an offense with no rhythm, poor protection, and pedestrian run success in that first half. I never understand why Reid doesn’t do more to dictate what a defense can do by going no huddle - not hurry-up, but no huddle. Mahomes struggled getting both blitz and coverage reads most of the game - help the kid out by getting him into situations where you can safely predict tendency. Suspect clock management near the end of the first half (timeout on 3rd and 4 with clock running - cut your losses and go into half only down 7 after an ass kicking), as well as in the final minutes. Andy needs to look in the mirror if he ever wants to shake the playoff choker/can’t win the big one label.

[htismaqe]

I’m not in a rehashing mood, but I place A LOT of blame on Reid for that loss to the Patriots. Understandably, the defense/Sutton will garner a lot of the criticism, but Andy didn’t have the team ready to play. The whole world knew the Pats would run until they were stopped and would paper-cut the Chiefs to death. What was more frustrating was watching an offense with no rhythm, poor protection, and pedestrian run success in that first half. I never understand why Reid doesn’t do more to dictate what a defense can do by going no huddle - not hurry-up, but no huddle. Mahomes struggled getting both blitz and coverage reads most of the game - help the kid out by getting him into situations where you can safely predict tendency. Suspect clock management near the end of the first half (timeout on 3rd and 4 with clock running - cut your losses and go into half only down 7 after an ass kicking), as well as in the final minutes. Andy needs to look in the mirror if he ever wants to shake the playoff choker/can’t win the big one label.

I told Clay the second he called that timeout that it was dumb. Let the clock run and call timeout on 4th down if you want. It should have been 7-0 at halftime.

[Coogs]

I told Clay the second he called that timeout that it was dumb. Let the clock run and call timeout on 4th down if you want. It should have been 7-0 at halftime.

Told my son the same thing. We have been burned on that time out call way too many times over the past 2 or 3 years. Maybe not every time, but enough that only being down 7-0 in that game was a victory in itself. Get into halftime and regroup.

[FringeNC]

I told Clay the second he called that timeout that it was dumb. Let the clock run and call timeout on 4th down if you want. It should have been 7-0 at halftime.

I screamed a bunch of expletives at the TV myself. Additionally, I thought it was a mistake to defer at home in the playoffs.

[htismaqe]

I screamed a bunch of expletives at the TV myself. Additionally, I thought it was a mistake to defer at home in the playoffs.

Yeah, we won't agree on that.

I'm one of those that will always defer, every time. Regardless of situation. There is no scenario you can come up with to convince me taking the ball first is a good idea.

[ChiefBlueCFC]

Alright, I don’t subscribe to the Athletic. Is it really worth it? Give me the honest truth

As several have said, yes. So add another to the belief that the Athletic is very worth it. Plus, if you look you can find deals for the subscription for like 3.99/month.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

As several have said, yes. So add another to the belief that the Athletic is very worth it. Plus, if you look you can find deals for the subscription for like 3.99/month.

Sub’d yesterday. Love it so far!

[RunKC]

Dane Brugler is working there too?

Aw shit man. I’m gonna have to sign up.

[O.city]

I’m not in a rehashing mood, but I place A LOT of blame on Reid for that loss to the Patriots. Understandably, the defense/Sutton will garner a lot of the criticism, but Andy didn’t have the team ready to play. The whole world knew the Pats would run until they were stopped and would paper-cut the Chiefs to death. What was more frustrating was watching an offense with no rhythm, poor protection, and pedestrian run success in that first half. I never understand why Reid doesn’t do more to dictate what a defense can do by going no huddle - not hurry-up, but no huddle. Mahomes struggled getting both blitz and coverage reads most of the game - help the kid out by getting him into situations where you can safely predict tendency. Suspect clock management near the end of the first half (timeout on 3rd and 4 with clock running - cut your losses and go into half only down 7 after an ass kicking), as well as in the final minutes. Andy needs to look in the mirror if he ever wants to shake the playoff choker/can’t win the big one label.

Couple things.

With a bad D that's been on the field a lot, you go no huddle/quick game and you can end up putting them out there a ton more. In that game, that wasn't ideal. Now, the Chiefs are built around the offense, so yea, they needed to do more in the first half.

Second, with that said, Andy was trying to get his offense the ball back with a chance to score around both ends of the half. That's what you want to do, everytime.

[O.city]

I'm always going to do what I can to use my timeouts and give my offense the ball back before half.

It's basically a 2 for 0 situation you can create if you can get it stopped. With the Chiefs d not getting a stop, sure, it looks bad. But it's what you've gotta do especially when you're offense is as elite as the Chiefs is.

[chiefzilla1501]

I’m not in a rehashing mood, but I place A LOT of blame on Reid for that loss to the Patriots. Understandably, the defense/Sutton will garner a lot of the criticism, but Andy didn’t have the team ready to play. The whole world knew the Pats would run until they were stopped and would paper-cut the Chiefs to death. What was more frustrating was watching an offense with no rhythm, poor protection, and pedestrian run success in that first half. I never understand why Reid doesn’t do more to dictate what a defense can do by going no huddle - not hurry-up, but no huddle. Mahomes struggled getting both blitz and coverage reads most of the game - help the kid out by getting him into situations where you can safely predict tendency. Suspect clock management near the end of the first half (timeout on 3rd and 4 with clock running - cut your losses and go into half only down 7 after an ass kicking), as well as in the final minutes. Andy needs to look in the mirror if he ever wants to shake the playoff choker/can’t win the big one label.

In the grand scheme of things, Reid's done a lot worse. He's a little lower on my list. What frustrates me most is when Reid's off script plays bust because that means he didn't make adjustments. In this case our scripted plays didn't work but our second half offense adjustments were pretty good. Id rather make good adjustments. Most of the time that wins games.

[htismaqe]

I'm always going to do what I can to use my timeouts and give my offense the ball back before half.

It's basically a 2 for 0 situation you can create if you can get it stopped. With the Chiefs d not getting a stop, sure, it looks bad. But it's what you've gotta do especially when you're offense is as elite as the Chiefs is.

So take the timeout AFTER 3rd down. The way the game had gone to that point, you don't call a timeout on 3rd and 4. It wasn't a good move.

[chiefzilla1501]

As several have said, yes. So add another to the belief that the Athletic is very worth it. Plus, if you look you can find deals for the subscription for like 3.99/month.

Agreed. They're picky about their content writers. Some sites are too watered down with substanceless shit. Others are too technical. The Athletic seems to strike a healthy balance. The fact that espn thought teicher best represented kc shows why they're going under. Espn seems to be trying to follow suit with Peyton mannings film breakdowns.

[O.city]

So take the timeout AFTER 3rd down. The way the game had gone to that point, you don't call a timeout on 3rd and 4. It wasn't a good move.

I don’t think you could have and had much time left

It was a risk for sure but I don’t have a problem with him trying to get the offense another shot

[htismaqe]

I don’t think you could have and had much time left

It was a risk for sure but I don’t have a problem with him trying to get the offense another shot

But it wasn't really a risk because it was 3rd and FOUR - they had successfully picked up 3rd and intermediates already without even passing the ball. He basically gave them a 1st down and a timeout.

[O.city]

But it wasn't really a risk because it was 3rd and FOUR - they had successfully picked up 3rd and intermediates already without even passing the ball. He basically gave them a 1st down and a timeout.

I can see where some wouldn’t want him to do it in that game situation and how that game had played out

I still would do it just trying to roll the dice and get the ball back

[tmax63]

I can see where some wouldn’t want him to do it in that game situation and how that game had played out

I still would do it just trying to roll the dice and get the ball back

They had held them to 7 points which means they'd gotten a stop or 2. Getting a stop and cutting it to a 4pt lead or tied going into half and getting the ball to start the 2nd half would changed the whole outlook of a bad 1st half. As a HC you can't really assume that your defense can't get a stop when you need it. If you coach like that the players will notice the lack of faith and quit on you.

[htismaqe]

They had held them to 7 points which means they'd gotten a stop or 2. Getting a stop and cutting it to a 4pt lead or tied going into half and getting the ball to start the 2nd half would changed the whole outlook of a bad 1st half. As a HC you can't really assume that your defense can't get a stop when you need it. If you coach like that the players will notice the lack of faith and quit on you.

They had gotten stops by playing well on 2nd down and forcing long situations, where New England needed to throw. On this particular drive, they were in 3rd and 4 and New England had already shown they could run the ball in that situation to get the 1st down.

Do you think the players would be more frustrated with him for not calling a timeout, or themselves for not being able to get a stop on 3rd and FOUR, after they had a timeout to get prepared?

It was the wrong call. It will always be the wrong call. Situations matter.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Don’t get why people are mad with Andy taking a Timeout. Did you guys not watch the Chiefs this year they were great at the end of both half’s.

[htismaqe]

Don’t get why people are mad with Andy taking a Timeout. Did you guys not watch the Chiefs this year they were great at the end of both half’s.

I'm not mad. Don't get me wrong.

Just based on the way THAT game was going, it wasn't a good move. He made a mistake. That's all. It happens. It's not like THAT was the reason they lost the game or anything (which I'm not mad about either, incidentally).

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Like Kelce said today the chiefs weren’t ready to play the first half on offensive. That’s why we lost and that’s on Andy

[staylor26]

Like Kelce said today the chiefs weren’t ready to play the first half on offensive. That’s why we lost and that’s on Andy

Is it Andy’s fault that Pat missed a wide open Williams and took a bad sack that put us out of FG range too?

We put up 31 points and had the lead late in the game. What more could you ask for going against the GOAT coach?

[tmax63]

If you don't think that your team can stop a 3rd and 4 then you shouldn't be the coach of that team. Players pick up on whether you believe in them or not. Hindsight is 20/20. If they had gotten the stop and went into the half tied, everyone would be exalting AR for saving the time for the league's best offense to get on track. It didn't work out but he gave it a shot.

[RunKC]

Like Kelce said today the chiefs weren’t ready to play the first half on offensive. That’s why we lost and that’s on Andy

Yup. Bill pulled his pants down again.

[staylor26]

Yup. Bill pulled his pants down again.

Andy Reid consistently puts up 30+ points against Bill’s defense, but yea Bill just clowns him every time! :rolleyes:

An offsides penalty is literally the difference in one narrative or a completely different one.

Fucking stupid.

[RunKC]

Andy Reid consistently puts up 30+ points against Bill’s defense, but yea Bill just clowns him every time! :rolleyes:

An offsides penalty is literally the difference in one narrative or a completely different one.

****ing stupid.

You are proving our point.

This was one of the most penalized teams in football. It’s been a problem all year long. It’s not surprising to anyone that we lost because of a dumbass penalty and a lack of discipline.

That’s why the Patriots always win. They don’t make dumbass mistakes. They are better coached.

[staylor26]

You are proving our point.

This was one of the most penalized teams in football. It’s been a problem all year long. It’s not surprising to anyone that we lost because of a dumbass penalty and a lack of discipline.

That’s why the Patriots always win. They don’t make dumbass mistakes. They are better coached.

Ok, it’s now also Andy’s fault that Ford forgot to line up correctly

:facepalm:

You let your agenda against Reid really get in the way of logic. It didn’t matter what happened in that game, if the Chiefs lost you were going to find a way to put it on Andy it’s so fucking obvious.

[staylor26]

More narratives too.

The Patriots don’t make dumb mistakes?

They almost blew a 14 pt. lead.

Edelman getting that close to the football was remarkably stupid.

Brady should have had 4 INT’s and the last one should’ve sent them packing.

We have plenty of examples of the Pats getting away with shit. I’m not crying about the officiating it’s just a fact. They tackled Kelce and Hunt in the first game with no DPI called. That’s discipline?

Did you not see Bill put out Gronkowski for a possible 80 yard Hail Mary attempt by Ryan Tannehill that cost them HFA? One of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen from none other than the GOAT.

The truth is the Pats got every bounce/break from Ford’s offsides, the coin toss in OT, a bad roughing the passer penalty, and a Hogan catch that wasn’t a catch. All of that changes the narrative from one thing to the other. It’s ridiculous and any reasonable person can see it.

[O.city]

Yup. Bill pulled his pants down again.

What did Andy do to Bills defense in the 2nd half?

[htismaqe]

Yup. Bill pulled his pants down again.

And Andy did the same to him in the 2nd half.

[O.city]

They had gotten stops by playing well on 2nd down and forcing long situations, where New England needed to throw. On this particular drive, they were in 3rd and 4 and New England had already shown they could run the ball in that situation to get the 1st down.

Do you think the players would be more frustrated with him for not calling a timeout, or themselves for not being able to get a stop on 3rd and FOUR, after they had a timeout to get prepared?

It was the wrong call. It will always be the wrong call. Situations matter.

That's one argument I would listen to on it. The way the game was unfolding, it was definitely one you could argue just to get to the locker room and lick your wounds.

But he's thinking if his d gets a singular stop there, he can get a lead potentially without having to put his d back out on the field. It was a gamble that backfired but it makes sense.

[htismaqe]

You are proving our point.

This was one of the most penalized teams in football. It’s been a problem all year long. It’s not surprising to anyone that we lost because of a dumbass penalty and a lack of discipline.

That’s why the Patriots always win. They don’t make dumbass mistakes. They are better coached.

The Patriots made a ton of dumb mistakes in the 2nd half. Heck, the end zone INT by Brady in the first half is one of the dumbest throws ever, even 1st year QBs are supposed to know better than that.

The Patriots won because they got the coin toss and our defense couldn't get off the field on 3rd down.

[RunKC]

Ok, it’s now also Andy’s fault that Ford forgot to line up correctly.

Yup

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[htismaqe]

ROFL

Talk about talking in circles.

[CoMoChief]

Andy Reid consistently puts up 30+ points against Bill’s defense, but yea Bill just clowns him every time! :rolleyes:

An offsides penalty is literally the difference in one narrative or a completely different one.

Fucking stupid.

I guess you didnt watch the 1st half?

[staylor26]

Yup

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Dude, it’s one persons fault that Dee Ford forgot to do something he does 99.9% of the time correctly.

The guy that has “Andy will find a way to fuck this up” in his sig will always find a way to blame Reid. Shocking.

[staylor26]

I guess you didnt watch the 1st half?

I love when posters like you put your 2 cents in.

It really makes it obvious which side of an argument is the wrong one.

[O.city]

Andy has his faults, no one is perfect.

But he just got a first year starting QB 6 inches from the SB, while throwing for 5000 yards and 50 TD's.

I'm not quite ready to run him off yet.

[RunKC]

The Patriots made a ton of dumb mistakes in the 2nd half. Heck, the end zone INT by Brady in the first half is one of the dumbest throws ever, even 1st year QBs are supposed to know better than that.

The Patriots won because they got the coin toss and our defense couldn't get off the field on 3rd down.

I can live with Dee Ford jumping offsides bc he was trying to make a play, just like Brady making a bad INT in the end zone.

It is embarrassing that our coaches can’t get a player to LINE UP correctly. I mean JFC man how hard is that?

And he did it a handful of times this year. I’m glad we cleaned house. Get these fucking coaches the fuck out of here.

Seriously. Mike Smith must suck dick as a coach if his player has a trend of lining up offsides.

[Sassy Squatch]

Andy has his faults, no one is perfect.

But he just got a first year starting QB 6 inches from the SB, while throwing for 5000 yards and 50 TD's.

I'm not quite ready to run him off yet.
Go look at the head coaches that were hired this cycle. Laugh. Be glad we have Reid.

[htismaqe]

Andy has his faults, no one is perfect.

But he just got a first year starting QB 6 inches from the SB, while throwing for 5000 yards and 50 TD's.

I'm not quite ready to run him off yet.

:clap::clap::clap:

[htismaqe]

Go look at the head coaches that were hired this cycle. Laugh. Be glad we have Reid.

But we could have had Vic Fangio!

ROFL

[FringeNC]

More narratives too.

The Patriots don’t make dumb mistakes?

They almost blew a 14 pt. lead.

Edelman getting that close to the football was remarkably stupid.

Brady should have had 4 INT’s and the last one should’ve sent them packing.

We have plenty of examples of the Pats getting away with shit. I’m not crying about the officiating it’s just a fact. They tackled Kelce and Hunt in the first game with no DPI called. That’s discipline?

Did you not see Bill put out Gronkowski for a possible 80 yard Hail Mary attempt by Ryan Tannehill that cost them HFA? One of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen from none other than the GOAT.

The truth is the Pats got every bounce/break from Ford’s offsides, the coin toss in OT, a bad roughing the passer penalty, and a Hogan catch that wasn’t a catch. All of that changes the narrative from one thing to the other. It’s ridiculous and any reasonable person can see it.

All of that is true, but JFC, the Pats dominated the LOS in the 1st half on both sides to a degree that should never happened at home.

[staylor26]

I can live with Dee Ford jumping offsides bc he was trying to make a play, just like Brady making a bad INT in the end zone.

It is embarrassing that our coaches can’t get a player to LINE UP correctly. I mean JFC man how hard is that?

And he did it a handful of times this year. I’m glad we cleaned house. Get these fucking coaches the fuck out of here.

Seriously. Mike Smith must suck dick as a coach if his player has a trend of lining up offsides.

This is just flat out wrong.

Ford wasn’t called for lining up in the neutral zone once this year. He jumped offsides, but he definitely didn’t just line up offsides.

[O.city]

Go look at the head coaches that were hired this cycle. Laugh. Be glad we have Reid.

That's a way I like to eval coaches. If you fired your coach, how fast would he be hired elsewhere.

Do any of you guys think andy would be on the market more than a day?

[O.city]

I can live with Dee Ford jumping offsides bc he was trying to make a play, just like Brady making a bad INT in the end zone.

It is embarrassing that our coaches can’t get a player to LINE UP correctly. I mean JFC man how hard is that?

And he did it a handful of times this year. I’m glad we cleaned house. Get these ****ing coaches the **** out of here.

Seriously. Mike Smith must suck dick as a coach if his player has a trend of lining up offsides.

What about if he led the league in pressures from edge rushers?

[RunKC]

Andy has his faults, no one is perfect.

But he just got a first year starting QB 6 inches from the SB, while throwing for 5000 yards and 50 TD's.

I'm not quite ready to run him off yet.

I think you are misunderstanding. Nobody is saying Andy is a terible coach. It’s not like folks are calling him Todd Haley.

He is probably going to be a HOF, but it is not hard to see why he hasn’t won a Super Bowl.

Mahomes damn near willed this team to a Super Bowl on his own, so it is very possible he can do that, which gives us hope, but his flaws have had serious consequences.

I think we would all agree that it was a terrible mistake keeping Sutton. I think everyone should also be wondering why the hell this team was so unprepared for an entire half.

[RunKC]

This is just flat out wrong.

Ford wasn’t called for lining up in the neutral zone once this year. He jumped offsides, but he definitely didn’t just line up offsides.

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[staylor26]

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I know for a fact that he got back before the ball was snapped in the Pro Bowl game, not to mention nobody gives a fuck because it’s the Pro Bowl and Reid has nothing to do with it.

As for the Broncos game, either he got back before the snap again or it wasn’t called because I know I saw that he wasn’t called for lining up in then neutral zone all year.

Lining up offsides hasn’t been a big issue for Ford throughout his career or this year, but continue to pretend it is to try and for your narrative.

[staylor26]

Just checked, he definitely wasn’t called for being in the neutral zone in that Broncos game.

So no, he wasn’t called for doing that a “handful” of times this year. It was once all year, and I’m pretty sure it hasn’t happened more than a couple of times in his career. It rarely happens to anybody.

This is the problem when you’re so hell bent on a narrative. You talk our your ass and look stupid.

[RunKC]

I know for a fact that he got back before the ball was snapped in the Pro Bowl game, not to mention nobody gives a **** because it’s the Pro Bowl and Reid has nothing to do with it.

As for the Broncos game, either he got back before the snap again or it wasn’t called because I know I saw that he wasn’t called for lining up in then neutral zone all year.

Lining up offsides hasn’t been a big issue for Ford throughout his career or this year, but continue to pretend it is to try and for your narrative.

Dee Ford has had an issue with lining up properly. I proved it with pictures. Despite your excuses, I have shown you literal proof of him lining up improperly as a trend, which finally made us pay.

What do you mean it hasn’t been a big issue this year? It kept us from the Super Bowl man. Of course that is a big issue.

It’s frustrating to everyone that we aren’t playing this weekend bc a player lined up offsides.

[staylor26]

Dee Ford has had an issue with lining up properly. I proved it with pictures. Despite your excuses, I have shown you literal proof of him lining up improperly as a trend, which finally made us pay.

What do you mean it hasn’t been a big issue this year? It kept us from the Super Bowl man. Of course that is a big issue.

It’s frustrating to everyone that we aren’t playing this weekend bc a player lined up offsides.

JFC you are one stupid son of a bitch sometimes.

Your images don’t mean shit when you look at the facts. He wasn’t called for offsides on either play and one of them was in the fucking Pro Bowl where he wasn’t offsides when the ball was actually snapped. Are you honestly trying to blame Reid/Sutton/Smith for something that happened in the PB though?

Those aren’t excuses it’s context and facts that show your images don’t tell the true story.

You said it happened a handful of times this year when it hasn’t even happened a handful of times in his fucking career.

[O.city]

I think Ford lines up according to the LT. Look at the broncos LT, he's in an illegal formation.

[O.city]

The problems with Andy's flaws are they're also a strength at times. His loyalty and what not.

[O.city]

I think you are misunderstanding. Nobody is saying Andy is a terible coach. It’s not like folks are calling him Todd Haley.

He is probably going to be a HOF, but it is not hard to see why he hasn’t won a Super Bowl.

Mahomes damn near willed this team to a Super Bowl on his own, so it is very possible he can do that, which gives us hope, but his flaws have had serious consequences.

I think we would all agree that it was a terrible mistake keeping Sutton. I think everyone should also be wondering why the hell this team was so unprepared for an entire half.

I thought it didn't matter to you since they beat the Colts and that's all you wanted them to do, beat an elite QB in the playoffs?

[-King-]

Dee Ford has had an issue with lining up properly. I proved it with pictures. Despite your excuses, I have shown you literal proof of him lining up improperly as a trend, which finally made us pay.

What do you mean it hasn’t been a big issue this year? It kept us from the Super Bowl man. Of course that is a big issue.

It’s frustrating to everyone that we aren’t playing this weekend bc a player lined up offsides.

You proved a trend by posting 2 pictures? 1 from the probowl?


Ok.

[-King-]

I think you are misunderstanding. Nobody is saying Andy is a terible coach. It’s not like folks are calling him Todd Haley.

He is probably going to be a HOF, but it is not hard to see why he hasn’t won a Super Bowl.

Mahomes damn near willed this team to a Super Bowl on his own, so it is very possible he can do that, which gives us hope, but his flaws have had serious consequences.

I think we would all agree that it was a terrible mistake keeping Sutton. I think everyone should also be wondering why the hell this team was so unprepared for an entire half.

So Andy had nothing to do with how successful the offense and Mahomes were?

[RunKC]

I thought it didn't matter to you since they beat the Colts and that's all you wanted them to do, beat an elite QB in the playoffs?

I think we can win with Andy now that we have Mahomes. I’m really happy he fired most of the defensive staff too as a lot of penalties were from the defense.

I’m just telling you the truth about the Pats game and guys like staylor got upset about it.

-Andy was severely outcoached in the first half. We weren’t prepared. Kelce even told Dan Patrick this.
-Bob Sutton was severely outcoached the entire game.
-Dee Ford made an inexcusable dumb mistake to end the game and ruined a Super Bowl trip.

Are these not true?

[RunKC]

The problems with Andy's flaws are they're also a strength at times. His loyalty and what not.

Thats why I’m happy he fired Sutton despite being loyal to him and keeping him a year longer.

Andy got outcoached badly in the first half and then made some great adjustments in the 2nd half.

But let’s be honest here: while Andy made nice adjustments, Mahomes did what he does and made some insane plays to get us to OT, which is why many of us think we can win with Andy.

Because Mahomes

[SAUTO]

That's one argument I would listen to on it. The way the game was unfolding, it was definitely one you could argue just to get to the locker room and lick your wounds.

But he's thinking if his d gets a singular stop there, he can get a lead potentially without having to put his d back out on the field. It was a gamble that backfired but it makes sense. you know me. I think I say it every game.

Double up on those scores in and out of the half. That paid off for us several times (at least) this year.

[Chris Meck]

I think we can win with Andy now that we have Mahomes. I’m really happy he fired most of the defensive staff too as a lot of penalties were from the defense.

I’m just telling you the truth about the Pats game and guys like staylor got upset about it.

-Andy was severely outcoached in the first half. We weren’t prepared. Kelce even told Dan Patrick this.
-Bob Sutton was severely outcoached the entire game.
-Dee Ford made an inexcusable dumb mistake to end the game and ruined a Super Bowl trip.

Are these not true?

-there's no shame in getting outcoached by Bill Belichick. It happens like a dozen times a year to everyone they play. In Andy's defense, some of that was a 2nd year QB seeing things he'd never seen, and at any rate, the second half they hung 31 pts. on those fuckers. So that's pretty good. If BB is the best coach in the NFL (and who would argue that?) Andy is certainly like...top 5. Maybe top 3. And certainly the #1 coach I would want right now, with Mahomes.

-Sutton returning this season was I think an attempt to not throw the entire organization into disarray with a first year starting QB. The team fired the GM last year and then was starting a new QB this year. I think Andy didn't want to have to deal with a whole new defensive situation when he was going to have a whole new offensive situation. Just turned out better offensively than anyone imagined.

-yes, Dee Ford made a stupid mistake. There are any number of plays that if the Chiefs make JUST ONE, they win the game. That's how close the margin of error is when you're playing the GOAT coach and the GOAT QB. I'm down with letting Ford go in a tag-and-trade because he's one dimensional, not because he made a mistake.

[bowener]

Dee Ford has had an issue with lining up properly. I proved it with pictures. Despite your excuses, I have shown you literal proof of him lining up improperly as a trend, which finally made us pay.

What do you mean it hasn’t been a big issue this year? It kept us from the Super Bowl man. Of course that is a big issue.

It’s frustrating to everyone that we aren’t playing this weekend bc a player lined up offsides.

Can you find how many snaps Ford played this year for me please? And also find what penalties he was called for. I think PFF will show you all that. If you can do that then show the percentage of times he was called for neutral zone infraction that would be great. Currently, showing one fucking picture from one real game doesn't prove your point, but something tells me you don't really care if you can prove your point or not.

[staylor26]

Can you find how many snaps Ford played this year for me please? And also find what penalties he was called for. I think PFF will show you all that. If you can do that then show the percentage of times he was called for neutral zone infraction that would be great. Currently, showing one fucking picture from one real game doesn't prove your point, but something tells me you don't really care if you can prove your point or not.

I’ve already said it was the only neutral zone infraction he had all year. The stat was posted on Twitter, but I can’t find it.

I also checked and he wasn’t called for it on that play in the Broncos game from the picture.

That’s why he stopped replying about it. He knows he’s wrong, he’s just playing stupid.

[Chris Meck]

BY THE WAY-

Can we just talk about the fact that in two years, the Chiefs have drafted a QB #1 and hit a home run on it, fired a GM and hired a new one, and fired a DC and hired a new one?

Can we put the 'Clark doesn't care about winning' stuff to rest?

[Marcellus]

I screamed a bunch of expletives at the TV myself. Additionally, I thought it was a mistake to defer at home in the playoffs.

The results of the 2nd half would argue very clearly that its the right call. Sure we were down 14-0 but got the ball and scored and were right back in it. Changed the whole game.

[Marcellus]

BY THE WAY-

Can we just talk about the fact that in two years, the Chiefs have drafted a QB #1 and hit a home run on it, fired a GM and hired a new one, and fired a DC and hired a new one?

Can we put the 'Clark doesn't care about winning' stuff to rest?

Its always been a stupid narrative.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Thats why I’m happy he fired Sutton despite being loyal to him and keeping him a year longer.

Andy got outcoached badly in the first half and then made some great adjustments in the 2nd half.

But let’s be honest here: while Andy made nice adjustments, Mahomes did what he does and made some insane plays to get us to OT, which is why many of us think we can win with Andy.

Because Mahomes

This is 100% correct. Reid got out-coached in the first half of the AFCCG hands down, no argument.
And he finally has the QB that can overcome many of his "Lil' Andy's". That is why Mahomes is perfect for Reid. That is why no other QB in the history of mankind could take Andy Reid to a Super Bowl.
It is what it is.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

BY THE WAY-

Can we just talk about the fact that in two years, the Chiefs have drafted a QB #1 and hit a home run on it, fired a GM and hired a new one, and fired a DC and hired a new one?

Can we put the 'Clark doesn't care about winning' stuff to rest?

I think he cares a lot more now, I'll give you that.

[htismaqe]

I thought it didn't matter to you since they beat the Colts and that's all you wanted them to do, beat an elite QB in the playoffs?

Look, the Chiefs had TWO games where they just flat looked awful in the 1st half. Coincidentally, they were BOTH against the Patriots.

Maybe, just maybe it wasn't that Andy wasn't prepared, it's the Belichick was BETTER prepared?

[htismaqe]

-there's no shame in getting outcoached by Bill Belichick. It happens like a dozen times a year to everyone they play. In Andy's defense, some of that was a 2nd year QB seeing things he'd never seen, and at any rate, the second half they hung 31 pts. on those fuckers. So that's pretty good. If BB is the best coach in the NFL (and who would argue that?) Andy is certainly like...top 5. Maybe top 3. And certainly the #1 coach I would want right now, with Mahomes.

-Sutton returning this season was I think an attempt to not throw the entire organization into disarray with a first year starting QB. The team fired the GM last year and then was starting a new QB this year. I think Andy didn't want to have to deal with a whole new defensive situation when he was going to have a whole new offensive situation. Just turned out better offensively than anyone imagined.

-yes, Dee Ford made a stupid mistake. There are any number of plays that if the Chiefs make JUST ONE, they win the game. That's how close the margin of error is when you're playing the GOAT coach and the GOAT QB. I'm down with letting Ford go in a tag-and-trade because he's one dimensional, not because he made a mistake.

:clap::clap::clap:

[RunKC]

I’ve already said it was the only neutral zone infraction he had all year. The stat was posted on Twitter, but I can’t find it.

I also checked and he wasn’t called for it on that play in the Broncos game from the picture.

That’s why he stopped replying about it. He knows he’s wrong, he’s just playing stupid.

I showed you three instances of him lining up improperly and you choose to close your eyes and ignore reality.

The proof is there. He’s had an issue lining up in the neutral zone. Choose to ignore it all you want. Facts are clear as day.

[staylor26]

I showed you three instances of him lining up improperly and you choose to close your eyes and ignore reality.

The proof is there. He’s had an issue lining up in the neutral zone. Choose to ignore it all you want. Facts are clear as day.

Holy shit you are a special kind of stupid

Why do you continue to pretend like the Pro Bowl one is even relevant in this discussion about Reid being at fault? Why do you continue to ignore that he wasn’t called for a neutral zone infraction (meaning he likely got back before the snap just like in the irrelevant Pro Bowl image) on the one other play that you are using to call this a trend? He had one neutral zone infraction all year, that’s a fact. Those 2 images do not change this. Do you know what context is? Everybody can see this but you. If anybody is closing their eyes and ignoring reality it’s you buddy.

Congrats on making yourself look like a total fucking idiot once again. Seems like that’s your goal in this discussion and you accomplished it.

[RunKC]

Holy shit you are a special kind of stupid

Why do you continue to pretend like the Pro Bowl one is even relevant in this discussion about Reid being at fault? Why do you continue to ignore that he wasn’t called for a neutral zone infraction (meaning he likely got back before the snap just like in the irrelevant Pro Bowl image) on the one other play that you are using to call this a trend? He had one neutral zone infraction all year, that’s a fact. Those 2 images do not change this. Do you know what context is? Everybody can see this but you. If anybody is closing their eyes and ignoring reality it’s you buddy.

Congrats on making yourself look like a total ****ing idiot once again. Seems like that’s your goal in this discussion and you accomplished it.

Andy runs this team. After Clark, it’s Andy. Everything that happens on this roster comes from Andy. Some good (Mahomes) and some bad (keeping Sutton).

As for the numbers, as you can see they aren’t always accurate. That is bc officiating is hit or miss. There is no debate that Ford should have been called for a penalty in the Broncos game but wasn’t. He got lucky he wasn’t bc the picture shows him lining up in the neutral zone clear as day.

But hey if you want to argue that Andy isn’t at fault for keeping the DC responsible for the defensive problems like lining up in the neutral zone, then be my guest. You would be in the minority. The board, the city and freaking Sam Mellinger all hammered Andy for not firing Sutton after the 2017 season.

I really don’t see the big deal here. Coaches are responsible for Ford not lining up properly in the AFCCG and Andy just kicked their sorry asses to the curb, which is exactly what we all wanted them to do.

You are getting upset about something that doesn’t matter anymore. New DC, new assistants and there’s a possibility Dee Ford might not even be here next Fall.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

and there’s a possibility Dee Ford might not even be here next Fall.

Sing that sweet song, Chaka:

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[The Franchise]

The Athletic's Nate Taylor believes there's a good chance the Chiefs release OLB Justin Houston this offseason.

Houston just turned 30 last month and has two years left on his contract. He's due to count a team-high $21.1 million against the cap in 2019. It's doable for the Chiefs with Patrick Mahomes on a rookie contract, but Houston's play has slipped in recent years from superstar status to above-average pass rusher. Injuries have played a part. Fellow OLB Dee Ford is also set for free agency this year, but the Chiefs have reportedly considered the franchise tag for him.