Berry thinking about and checking into surgery

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach said the team&#39;s medical staff will work through the needs for Eric Berry in the offseason. He mentioned that Berry was in Green Bay in the past few days. Notable because that&#39;s the base for renowned foot/ankle surgeon Bob Anderson who has tended to several <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a>.</p>&mdash; Matt Derrick (@mattderrick) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattderrick/status/1093585140406726656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[siberian khatru]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach said Eric Berry is going through every exam before deciding what&#39;s the best plan for him this offseason.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1093584236160970752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Dayze]

hopefully they can do some non-invasive procedure on his Spirit as well.

[suzzer99]

Thread title fail.

[SAUTO]

Not sure OP can read.

No where does any of that say he's getting surgery for sure

[RealSNR]

"The plan that's best for him"

Get the surgery or retire, Berry. It's not fucking hard. Pick one. Nobody cares. But just fucking pick one.

[Cosmos]

Thread title fail.

Massive fail...

[suzzer99]

Isn't it better for the Chiefs if he gets the surgery after his physical?

[UK_Chief]

If I was him I’d retire

[siberian khatru]

Looks like he's day to day again

[SAUTO]

Isn't it better for the Chiefs if he gets the surgery after his physical?

If he needs surgery how could he pass a physical?

[Bowser]

Looks like he's day to day again

…..as are we all

[raybec 4]

…..as are we all

Act accordingly

[staylor26]

What’s best for the Chiefs and Eric Berry is he retires.

Of course that won’t happen though.

[suzzer99]

If he needs surgery how could he pass a physical?

He passed a physical to play the last game. Presumably nothing's changed since then.

[Buehler445]

Why the fuck has it taken this long?

What the fuck has he been doing?

[BleedingRed]

Ok, so I'm kinda losing all respect for Berry.

Did you plan to just never play again or?

[threebag]

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/60/ca/80/60ca80c437d7d7f6e0e6760d51d148bb.jpg

[SAUTO]

He passed a physical to play the last game. Presumably nothing's changed since then.

Link? I'm not sure they give players a physical before every game...

[patteeu]

Thread title fail.

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[seclark]

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[threebag]

"The plan that's best for him"

Get the surgery or retire, Berry. It's not ****ing hard. Pick one. Nobody cares. But just ****ing pick one.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ex6BO9QNV3M/WU1ZMI7TtKI/AAAAAAAADi0/E7K__ePR8ncUUBcXbG75QxNdFznvO_FRQCK4BGAYYCw/s1600/Unknown.jpeg

[O.city]

Conspiracy theory: Berry hated Sutton and that was a big reason he sat out.

[suzzer99]

Link? I'm not sure they give players a physical before every game...

The guys on RGR podcast seemed to think if you can play a game you basically pass a physical. But they might not be 100% correct.

Obviously though to clear him to play in a game, they're going to be looking closely at any part of Berry's foot that might fail a physical.

[SAUTO]

The guys on RGR podcast seemed to think if you can play a game you basically pass a physical. But they might not be 100% correct.

Yeah pretty sure they are wrong

[chiefforlife]

The guys on RGR podcast seemed to think if you can play a game you basically pass a physical. But they might not be 100% correct.

Obviously though to clear him to play in a game, they're going to be looking closely at any part of Berry's foot that might fail a physical.

The players all take exit physicals at the end of the year.

[MahiMike]

So he's just now getting it looked at? What was he doing all year?

[TEX]

Link? I'm not sure they give players a physical before every game...

ROFL Link? Link? Link? It didn't happen unless you can see a link... The world, according to SAUTO, NEEDS LINKS AND NOTHING IS POSSIBLE WITHOUT THEM!!! DAMMIT! LMAO

[threebag]

So he's just now getting it looked at? What was he doing all year?

Dumpster diving for Big Macs and sippin on a 40

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[Mr. Wizard]

If he needs surgery how could he pass a physical?

He's having elective surgery, ya know like breast implants.

[Simply Red]

What’s best for the Chiefs and Eric Berry is he retires.

Of course that won’t happen though.

yip

[TribalElder]

May 31 surgery

[BWillie]

Wait so it's 3 weeks later and he still hasn't had surgery yet?

[Beef Supreme]

So he's day to day really on getting surgery.

[Marcellus]

Yeah pretty sure they are wrong

Yup.

Being cleared to play in a game is not the same as being able to pass a physical.

Does anyone think Kendall Fuller would pass a physical with pins in his wrist and a cast on his hand?

[Buehler445]

Wait so it's 3 weeks later and he still hasn't had surgery yet?

Almost 4.

For fucks goddamned fucking sake, if he was going to get the shit, he should have been on the goddamned table the monday after fuckholio lined up offsides.

[bowener]

Wait so it's 3 weeks later and he still hasn't had surgery yet?

In your experience with medical treatments, how fast did things get done for you, especially if it was a nonemergency surgery? How fast do you think your treatments or surgeries would take if you are waiting in line to have the best doctor do those treatments or surgeries? Now imagine for that doctor to check you physically you have to travel 1500 or more miles to do it. Now imagine you are signed to a multimillion-dollar contract and if this surgeon is wrong you may be out millions of dollars. Do you get a second opinion?

[baitism]

Wish he worthless ass would just retire.

[htismaqe]

You guys do know that if he retires, he still counts against the cap, right?

[RollChiefsRoll]

You guys do know that if he retires, he still counts against the cap, right?

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[BossChief]

If he needs surgery how could he pass a physical?

Yeah pretty sure they are wrong

Link?

I do know that players get a physical after the season ends. Not before games though.

[The Franchise]

You guys do know that if he retires, he still counts against the cap, right?

At least we wouldn't have to hear about the "day to day" or "he's progressing" bullshit.

[htismaqe]

At least we wouldn't have to hear about the "day to day" or "he's progressing" bullshit.

Little solace in that. People here are going to bitch about something (or everything) regardless.

The Chiefs need cap room and they don't get that if Berry just up and retires.

[The Franchise]

Little solace in that. People here are going to bitch about something (or everything) regardless.

The Chiefs need cap room and they don't get that if Berry just up and retires.

They aren't getting cap room either way with him......unless they June 1st cut him.

[htismaqe]

They aren't getting cap room either way with him......unless they June 1st cut him.

Which is what they need to do.

The last thing the Chiefs need is for him to retire, even though that would appease some of the whiners here.

[JakeF]

He should already be in the operating room. I wonder if he'll decide to have the surgery right before next season so it locks the Chiefs into paying another year of his contract?

Screwing the team after it took care of you, nice.

[Hydrae]

You guys do know that if he retires, he still counts against the cap, right?

Unless they go after him to pay back the remaining bonus money:

When a player retires, the team has the option to pursue the return of a portion of the signing bonus equal to the unplayed portions of the contract, and that money is no longer counted against the salary cap. This is typically done through an arbitrator.


link: https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/pittsburgh-steelers-nfl-features-news-blog-long-form/2016/3/5/11158958/nfl-101-how-cuts-retirements-and-trades-affect-the-salary-cap

[htismaqe]

Unless they go after him to pay back the remaining bonus money:

When a player retires, the team has the option to pursue the return of a portion of the signing bonus equal to the unplayed portions of the contract, and that money is no longer counted against the salary cap. This is typically done through an arbitrator.

Source: https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/pittsburgh-steelers-nfl-features-news-blog-long-form/2016/3/5/11158958/nfl-101-how-cuts-retirements-and-trades-affect-the-salary-cap

Good luck with that. No arbitrator is going to rule against a guy that's hurt. Do you remember what happened with Barry Sanders and the crap they went through trying to get his bonus back? And he was HEALTHY when he just up and quit.

[Hydrae]

Good luck with that. No arbitrator is going to rule against a guy that's hurt. Do you remember what happened with Barry Sanders and the crap they went through trying to get his bonus back? And he was HEALTHY when he just up and quit.

Ok, the rest of that paragraph:

This is known as the "Barry Sanders Rule" because this is exactly how the situation played out in his case, as he was required to pay back a portion of his bonus. The difference between now and then is there was no precedent when Sanders played; now, it's explicitly written into the CBA to allow for this arbitration.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Why the **** has it taken this long?

What the **** has he been doing?

I agree with this. He should have had surgery Jan 11th

[htismaqe]

Ok, the rest of that paragraph:

This is known as the "Barry Sanders Rule" because this is exactly how the situation played out in his case, as he was required to pay back a portion of his bonus. The difference between now and then is there was no precedent when Sanders played; now, it's explicitly written into the CBA to allow for this arbitration.

Right. Berry Sanders retired after the 1998 season. He missed the entire 1999 season and an arbitrator didn't rule on his case until FEBRUARY 2000.

Even then, the arbitrator ruled he had to pay back $1.8M of his $11M signing bonus (1999).

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2000-02-16-0002160022-story.html

Berry retiring does not help the Chiefs. At all.

[Buehler445]

In your experience with medical treatments, how fast did things get done for you, especially if it was a nonemergency surgery? How fast do you think your treatments or surgeries would take if you are waiting in line to have the best doctor do those treatments or surgeries? Now imagine for that doctor to check you physically you have to travel 1500 or more miles to do it. Now imagine you are signed to a multimillion-dollar contract and if this surgeon is wrong you may be out millions of dollars. Do you get a second opinion?
These dudes aren’t on the standard county hospital timeframe. After a dude close an ack he has surgery within the week.

[Chief Roundup]

Which is what they need to do.

The last thing the Chiefs need is for him to retire, even though that would appease some of the whiners here.

Why?

There is not much difference. Chiefs would owe the remainder of his signing bonus money on the cap that could be spread out over two years.
If he retires the Chiefs can force him to give back the signing bonus for the years he didn't play which could give us that salary cap space as well.

[Marcellus]

Which is what they need to do.

The last thing the Chiefs need is for him to retire, even though that would appease some of the whiners here.

Retirement is basically the same effect as a post June 1st cut I believe, it creates dead money but relieves cap space to some extent.

[htismaqe]

Why?

There is not much difference. Chiefs would owe the remainder of his signing bonus money on the cap that could be spread out over two years.
If he retires the Chiefs can force him to give back the signing bonus for the years he didn't play which could give us that salary cap space as well.

Because precedent says the Chiefs can only get back the signing bonus for the years he DOESN'T play, not didn't play.

Meaning, they get ZERO relief in 2019. And then have to see an arbitrator in 2020 to try and get his bonus back for 2019.

The Lions got $1.8M back once a year until his contract was up, not counting the first year. All while his contract still counted 100% against their cap.

[htismaqe]

Retirement is basically the same effect as a post June 1st cut I believe, it creates dead money but relieves cap space to some extent.

Nope.

Retirement creates no cap relief at all until they go through arbitration and then it's spread out based on contingencies like him not playing again.

[CoMoChief]

Hopefully the Oneida tribes can fix his spirits up there.

[htismaqe]

Actually, it appears the retirement works like a PRE-June 1st cut. Meaning they'd be on the hook immediately and can't spread it over 2 years. Finding conflicting information though, of course.

[Hydrae]

Actually, it appears the retirement works like a PRE-June 1st cut. Meaning they'd be on the hook immediately and can't spread it over 2 years. Finding conflicting information though, of course.

It is based on when he files the retirement paperwork. After June 1 still works but it can't be designated like a cut can (I don't think, not sure).

[Marcellus]

Nope.

Retirement creates no cap relief at all until they go through arbitration and then it's spread out based on contingencies like him not playing again.

If he plans to not play he could let KC cut him with post June 1 designation and not sign with anyone else and file his retirement papers later in the year.

[htismaqe]

It is based on when he files the retirement paperwork. After June 1 still works but it can't be designated like a cut can (I don't think, not sure).

It appears it can't be designated. He'd have to actually retire after June 1st.

[htismaqe]

If he plans to not play he could let KC cut him with post June 1 designation and not sign with anyone else and file his retirement papers later in the year.

They could also cut him and he could sign somewhere else and just not retire, I would imagine.

It's all a big freaking mess. They need to just cut him and move on.

[Frazod]

Why the fuck has it taken this long?

What the fuck has he been doing?

Making sure he can get paid for another year of doing absolutely nothing.

[jjchieffan]

You guys do know that if he retires, he still counts against the cap, right?

Well. yeah. But if he retires for what should be considered a non-football injury, then he could be required to pay back the prorated portion of his signing bonus. That would help the cap.

[saphojunkie]

Right. Berry Sanders retired after the 1998 season. He missed the entire 1999 season and an arbitrator didn't rule on his case until FEBRUARY 2000.

Even then, the arbitrator ruled he had to pay back $1.8M of his $11M signing bonus (1999).

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2000-02-16-0002160022-story.html

Berry retiring does not help the Chiefs. At all.

You're not quite getting this right.

If Berry retires right now, then yes, it is built into the CBA that he will have to give back a portion of his signing bonus. It doesn't take two years to figure out, because this is literally just de facto league rules now.

If he retires June 1, it is actually BETTER for the team than cutting him, because not only does the cap hit spread out over this year and next, same as a June 1 cut, but the returned prorated signing bonus would give extra cap relief, as well.

The BEST thing that can happen is Berry has the surgery and returns to 100% playing ability, finishes out his contract by helping win a Super Bowl, signs another massive deal elsewhere, and the Chiefs recover a comp pick.

I'm rooting for surgery to fix the Haglund's.

[htismaqe]

Well. yeah. But if he retires for what should be considered a non-football injury, then he could be required to pay back the prorated portion of his signing bonus. That would help the cap.

Not immediately. See previous posts about the Chiefs recovering the signing bonus. It will take several years and won't even start until after he's missed at a full season.

[saphojunkie]

By the way, with three years left on the deal, Berry would have $12M in signing bonus that is up for grabs. That's quite a lot.

[htismaqe]

If Berry retires right now, then yes, it is built into the CBA that he will have to give back a portion of his signing bonus. It doesn't take two years to figure out, because this is literally just de facto league rules now.


Where is it spelled out because I'm not finding that at all.

[saphojunkie]

Not immediately. See previous posts about the Chiefs recovering the signing bonus. It will take several years and won't even start until after he's missed at a full season.

Again, you're only using the very first example of this as your timeline basis.

[jjchieffan]

Also, doesn't his 2019 salary become fully guaranteed in March? Him retiring would wipe that out. I don't see it happening. I hope that he gets the surgery and comes back strong as ever. But him standing on the sideline all season while safety was by far our worst position group was frustrating. I really wish that Hunt hadn't stepped in and just let him walk after his contract was up. I love Berry. He WAS great. But now, he's just a salary cap killer doing more harm to the team than good.

[htismaqe]

Again, you're only using the very first example of this as your timeline basis.

It's the most prevalent example. I'm having a hard time finding any specifics at all, other than Sanders, that's what I'm trying to tell you.

[jjchieffan]

You're not quite getting this right.

If Berry retires right now, then yes, it is built into the CBA that he will have to give back a portion of his signing bonus. It doesn't take two years to figure out, because this is literally just de facto league rules now.

If he retires June 1, it is actually BETTER for the team than cutting him, because not only does the cap hit spread out over this year and next, same as a June 1 cut, but the returned prorated signing bonus would give extra cap relief, as well.

The BEST thing that can happen is Berry has the surgery and returns to 100% playing ability, finishes out his contract by helping win a Super Bowl, signs another massive deal elsewhere, and the Chiefs recover a comp pick.

I'm rooting for surgery to fix the Haglund's.

I'm pretty sure that his salary for 2019 will be fully guaranteed in March. Now, hopefully a June 1 retirement would somehow negate that. But I'm not sure. That would add even more dead cap space. I would hate to see him retire and collect for a 3rd straight season of doing nothing.

[crispystl]

Also, doesn't his 2019 salary become fully guaranteed in March? Him retiring would wipe that out. I don't see it happening. I hope that he gets the surgery and comes back strong as ever. But him standing on the sideline all season while safety was by far our worst position group was frustrating. I really wish that Hunt hadn't stepped in and just let him walk after his contract was up. I love Berry. He WAS great. But now, he's just a salary cap killer doing more harm to the team than good.He was also a HUGE fucking distraction the majority of the season too.

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[bowener]

He was also a HUGE fucking distraction the majority of the season too.

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To YOU. Not to THE TEAM. Big fucking difference. You do not matter at all. I do not matter at all. The team loves him. Ownership loves him. Your feelings don't mean dick in any of this so you might as well get over a player being injured.

[Easy 6]

Whatever man, I'm so over that guy

If Veach wants to keep him another year to see if we can maybe get 8 games out of him then fine... but only on the condition that we approach the draft and free agency as if the guy never existed

He cannot be counted on, so proceed accordingly

[Kiimo]

Man contract talk on here got so elevated around the time when we all discovered over the cap lol

[notorious]

Jesus Fucking Christ.

Just go away.

[htismaqe]

Man contract talk on here got so elevated around the time when we all discovered over the cap lol

This has always been the best place to get all the info. There are people here that know a ton about stuff like that. It seems like I learn something new every day.

[Hammock Parties]

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[Bwana]

Jez, either get the surgery SOON, or GTFO.

[Hydrae]

Here is the current CBA: https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/collective-bargaining-agreement-2011-2020.pdf

These appear to me to be the relevant parts:

Forfeitable Breach. Any player who (i) willfully fails to report, practice or play with the result that the player’s ability to fully participate and contribute to the team is substantially undermined (for example, without limitation, holding out or leaving the squad absent a showing of extreme personal hardship); or (ii) is unavailable to the team due to conduct by him that results in his incarceration; or (iii) is unavailable to the team due to a nonfootball injury that resulted from a material breach of Paragraph 3 of his NFL Player Contract; or (iv) voluntarily retires (collectively, any “Forfeitable Breach”) may be required to forfeit signing bonus, roster bonus, option bonus and/or reporting bonus, and no other Salary, for each League Year in which a Forfeitable Breach occurs


Retirement. Should a Forfeitable Breach occur due to player’s retirement, a Club may demand repayment of all Forfeitable Salary Allocations attributable to the proportionate amount, if any, for the present year and the Forfeitable Salary Allocations for future years. If the player fails to repay such amounts, then the Club may seek an award from the System Arbitrator pursuant to Article 15, for repayment of all Forfeitable Salary Allocations attributable to present and future years. Repayment of Forfeitable Salary Allocations attributable to future League Years must be made by June 1st of each League Year for which each Forfeitable Salary Allocation is attributable. If the player returns to play for the Club in the subsequent season, then the Club must either (a) take the player back under his existing contract with no forfeiture of the remaining Forfeitable Salary Allocations, or (b) release the player and seek repayment of any remaining Forfeitable Salary Allocations for future League Years


Nothing about the timing and who knows how long it might take through an arbitrator but I highly doubt it would take years. As noted in my first post here, Barry Sanders was the first case but now there is precedence and it is part of the CBA while it was not when Barry retired and the Lions went after his bonuses.

[New World Order]

Kinda feels like he just wants to sit out as much as possible while collecting dough.

[T-post Tom]

My understanding is that the Chiefs will be on the hook for his 2019 salary if he gets the surgery and can't pass a physical in March (?). Time to end the relationship.

[saphojunkie]

My understanding is that the Chiefs will be on the hook for his 2019 salary if he gets the surgery and can't pass a physical in March (?). Time to end the relationship.

There's a lot that can happen. It will be interesting any way you slice it.

The most unacceptable outcome is no surgery, no roster moves, and a repeat of this year's day-to-day disaster.

[SAUTO]

ROFL Link? Link? Link? It didn't happen unless you can see a link... The world, according to SAUTO, NEEDS LINKS AND NOTHING IS POSSIBLE WITHOUT THEM!!! DAMMIT! LMAO

Well if you aren't just making it up then it should be pretty easy to get a link, right?

[KCUnited]

I definitely understand exhausting all alternatives before surgery, but it does seem odd that he’s not further along in that process after missing nearly all of this season. What’s left to check off the physical/holistic therapy list after spending ~95% of the season inactive?

[Chief Roundup]

I'm pretty sure that his salary for 2019 will be fully guaranteed in March. Now, hopefully a June 1 retirement would somehow negate that. But I'm not sure. That would add even more dead cap space. I would hate to see him retire and collect for a 3rd straight season of doing nothing.

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Looks like only $2.95M of the base is guaranteed.

[SAUTO]

Link?

I do know that players get a physical after the season ends. Not before games though.

It's hard to post a link when you just ask someone.
And i'm not sure what you want a link to. You pretty mech just said the exact same thing I did...

Marcellus brought up ba good point. Do you think kendall fuller passes a physical with a cast on his hand?

[Chief Roundup]

It's hard to post a link when you just ask someone.
And i'm not sure what you want a link to. You pretty mech just said the exact same thing I did...

Marcellus brought up ba good point. Do you think kendall fuller passes a physical with a cast on his hand?

Not to mention that we are talking about Physicals. We have all seen a player fail a physical for one team and pass it for another.

[SAUTO]

Here's a link to what answers. Com says it's the preseason criteria for an nfl physical, nothing came up about prior to every game http://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_criteria_for_passing_an_NFL_physical

[Lzen]

In your experience with medical treatments, how fast did things get done for you, especially if it was a nonemergency surgery? How fast do you think your treatments or surgeries would take if you are waiting in line to have the best doctor do those treatments or surgeries? Now imagine for that doctor to check you physically you have to travel 1500 or more miles to do it. Now imagine you are signed to a multimillion-dollar contract and if this surgeon is wrong you may be out millions of dollars. Do you get a second opinion?

That shit should have been planned before the season ended

[stevieray]

I'm not going to judge the whole situation, it's just ends up frustrating and depressing.

All I know is he isn't the same player, hell not even the same guy.

:shrug:

[Titty Meat]

He passed a physical to play the last game. Presumably nothing's changed since then.

Mike Brown played a whole year here then won disability so I'm not sure that means much.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

In your experience with medical treatments, how fast did things get done for you, especially if it was a nonemergency surgery? How fast do you think your treatments or surgeries would take if you are waiting in line to have the best doctor do those treatments or surgeries? Now imagine for that doctor to check you physically you have to travel 1500 or more miles to do it. Now imagine you are signed to a multimillion-dollar contract and if this surgeon is wrong you may be out millions of dollars. Do you get a second opinion?

He's had an entire year PLUS to investigate every single aspect of this situation and come to a conclusion. No one held a gun to his head and forced him to maintain a regular player routine( minus actually PLAYING of course ).
He didn't need to be at every game, he didn't need to be at meetings either. If he is the player that so many of you CLAIM him to be, then why in the FUCK wasn't he off in Minnesota or wherever getting this situation handled, so that he could get back to work as fast as possible, and actually contribute something to his team???

I really wish that Hunt hadn't stepped in and just let him walk after his contract was up. I love Berry. He WAS great. But now, he's just a salary cap killer doing more harm to the team than good.

It's a damned shame that we didn't have a proven Mahomes on the books when that contract came up. We wouldn't even be having this discussion. But with no true franchise QB, there was no way Hunt was going to let him walk after all of the support, and shelling out the extra cash. At the time, Hobospirit 29 literally WAS the face of the team( and YES much more so than Alex, deal with it ), loved by all.

The Chiefs would be better served to approach these players in a less emotional way when it comes to these contracts. Hopefully, with Mahomes now in the picture we can begin to do exactly that.

[dlphg9]

This fuckin retard can clutter up the front page with stupid threads, but I lose thread starting privileges? Fuckin retarded

[007]

and here we go again. Bet he doesn't play the entire season.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

This ****in retard can clutter up the front page with stupid threads, but I lose thread starting privileges? ****in retarded

Which threads have you not liked?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Which threads have you not liked?

ROFL

[dlphg9]

Which threads have you not liked?

All it takes is one, bruh.

[Flying High D]

For some reason the team just can’t seem to win with him playing. Must be sprits or something.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

For some reason the team just can’t seem to win with him playing. Must be sprits or something.

Call it what you will, but the Chiefs D was starting to somewhat spark prior to his return.

[ROYC75]

You guys do know that if he retires, he still counts against the cap, right?

I do believe that many here do not know this, feelings know no statistical value.

[suzzer99]

Here's a link to what answers. Com says it's the preseason criteria for an nfl physical, nothing came up about prior to every game http://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_criteria_for_passing_an_NFL_physical

I think the point is that if Berry is gonna fail a physical, it's probably going to be something related to his heel - which presumably they could also be looking at very closely to clear him to play in an NFL game.

Or maybe there's some way to say "this will last for a game or two, but never the whole season w/o surgery" in the physical/game clearing whatever-you-call-it. But we don't know that's the case - so the clearance to play in a game carries some weight imo.

Or maybe they find a hernia or something in the yearly physical - sure.

[TinyEvel]

His surgery plans are day to day...

[ptlyon]

His surgery plans are day to day...

Hour to hour
The gate is straight, deep and wide
C'mon break on through to the other side Eric!

[Chris Meck]

the only question anyone should have about Berry is- How long are we stuck with that cap hit?

[htismaqe]

the only question anyone should have about Berry is- How long are we stuck with that cap hit?

Yep. He ain't playing again. When can we clear him from the cap?

[BossChief]

We can’t cut him now because all the dead money would go to the 2018 cap and we don’t have enough room.

We can’t cut him till the new league year starts and he passes a physical. At that point, KC can designate him as a June 1st cut and he gets released that moment, but the whole cap number stays on the books till June 1st.

If he has surgery before that, KC can’t cut an injured player and most of his 2019 salary becomes guaranteed for injury.

At the end of 2018 league year, all players take an end of year physical so the team can show their physical shape at that point in comparison to at the start of the new year.

Am I missing anything? Or is that the just of it.

This is Berry’s agent calling the shots for Berry to bleed Clark dry.

[stevieray]

This is Berry’s agent calling the shots for Berry to bleed Clark dry.

this is the worst case scenario, if true.

[crispystl]

this is the worst case scenario, if true.It's starting to look more and more llike this is the case though. The whole thing is insane.

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[Flying High D]

This is Berry’s agent Spirit calling the shots for Berry to bleed Clark dry.

FYP

[smithandrew051]

this is the worst case scenario, if true.

And if so, this is one of the more fucked up things a player has done to a franchise that has been so loyal to him. If this turns out to be true, I would be against him going into the Ring of Honor someday.

[Iconic]

Kind of wish we'd just cut Houston, Berry, and tag/trade Ford. Time to start fresh with a new group of guys and leaders.

[SAUTO]

I think the point is that if Berry is gonna fail a physical, it's probably going to be something related to his heel - which presumably they could also be looking at very closely to clear him to play in an NFL game.

Or maybe there's some way to say "this will last for a game or two, but never the whole season w/o surgery" in the physical/game clearing whatever-you-call-it. But we don't know that's the case - so the clearance to play in a game carries some weight imo.

Or maybe they find a hernia or something in the yearly physical - sure. the team had said multiple times that they were leaving the decision up to him on a week to week basis. That sounds to me like they thought he could play medically speaking

[Chief Roundup]

Kind of wish we'd just cut Houston, Berry, and tag/trade Ford. Time to start fresh with a new group of guys and leaders.

In listening to one of the RGR podcast it got brought up that we may have to be careful in how we hand Berry and Houston because of how close of friends they have become and that they were already upset about the handling of the Marcus Peters situation.

Kind of makes a person wonder if that is the reason they are being so patient with Berry is in hopes of doing something with Houstons contract.

[SAUTO]

We can’t cut him now because all the dead money would go to the 2018 cap and we don’t have enough room.

We can’t cut him till the new league year starts and he passes a physical. At that point, KC can designate him as a June 1st cut and he gets released that moment, but the whole cap number stays on the books till June 1st.

If he has surgery before that, KC can’t cut an injured player and most of his 2019 salary becomes guaranteed for injury.

At the end of 2018 league year, all players take an end of year physical so the team can show their physical shape at that point in comparison to at the start of the new year.

Am I missing anything? Or is that the just of it.

This is Berry’s agent calling the shots for Berry to bleed Clark dry.
I haven't really been able to find out when the exit physicals are taken.

Reading about when Richard Sherman was cut the articles said he was cut in march and had failed his exit physical at the end of the season...

[Sorce]

Fuck it win the Superbowl and throw his ring in the Missouri River.

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[KCUnited]

Fuck it win the Superbowl and throw his ring in the Missouri River.

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Like Ed Reed’s brother, huh?

[threebag]

Hour to hour
The gate is straight, deep and wide
C'mon break on through to the other side Eric!

Fuck Yeah!!!

[threebag]

Like Ed Reed’s brother, huh?

They ever find his body? Bet it was hard to spot in all the Reeds

[JakeF]

We can’t cut him now because all the dead money would go to the 2018 cap and we don’t have enough room.

We can’t cut him till the new league year starts and he passes a physical. At that point, KC can designate him as a June 1st cut and he gets released that moment, but the whole cap number stays on the books till June 1st.

If he has surgery before that, KC can’t cut an injured player and most of his 2019 salary becomes guaranteed for injury.

At the end of 2018 league year, all players take an end of year physical so the team can show their physical shape at that point in comparison to at the start of the new year.

Am I missing anything? Or is that the just of it.

This is Berry’s agent calling the shots for Berry to bleed Clark dry.
Actually, each team can designate 1 player to count as a June 1st cut even though they are cut earlier.

If Berry can't pass a physical right now then the Chiefs can't cut him at all. They would need an injury settlement to release him.

[BossChief]

Actually, each team can designate 1 player to count as a June 1st cut even though they are cut earlier.

If Berry can't pass a physical right now then the Chiefs can't cut him at all. They would need an injury settlement to release him.

Read, please.

Twice, if needed.

[Chief Roundup]

Actually, each team can designate 1 player to count as a June 1st cut even though they are cut earlier.

If Berry can't pass a physical right now then the Chiefs can't cut him at all. They would need an injury settlement to release him.

Actually it is 2.......

[Chief Roundup]

Read, please.

Twice, if needed.

You might have to bold it for him. :shrug:

[Flying High D]

In listening to one of the RGR podcast it got brought up that we may have to be careful in how we hand Berry and Houston because of how close of friends they have become and that they were already upset about the handling of the Marcus Peters situation.

Kind of makes a person wonder if that is the reason they are being so patient with Berry is in hopes of doing something with Houstons contract.

This explains the Spirit of the situation. Basically they are retaliating against the Team because of Marcus. I wondered why they both played like shit in the aAFCCG.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

This explains the Spirit of the situation. Basically they are retaliating against the Team because of Marcus. I wondered why they both played like shit in the aAFCCG.

I was told that Berry, Houston, and the entire Chiefs defense were okay with Andy and the Clarks letting Peters go. Stories sure do seem to change around here a lot.

[GloryDayz]

Just a little trim...

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[dlphg9]

Just a little trim...

https://media.giphy.com/media/vsahiA48sJmyk/giphy.gif

Gonna amputate from the neck down

[Chiefaholic]

They aren't getting cap room either way with him......unless they June 1st cut him.

The savings would be $1.5 million pre-June 1, then be scott free next year. Or 9.5 million post-June 1 and eat some of next years cap. Houston, on the other hand, is $14 million and $15.5 million.

[GloryDayz]

Gonna amputate from the neck downJust the heel man, just the heel..

[htismaqe]

I was told that Berry, Houston, and the entire Chiefs defense were okay with Andy and the Clarks letting Peters go. Stories sure do seem to change around here a lot.

Pretty much everybody reported that the players were okay with it. IIRC, Justin Houston said in an interview he knew why it had to be done.

Sounds like the RGR guys are pulling stuff out of their derrière's.

[bobhill]

I'm done with this, retire before you become another Toni Gonzales please

[GloryDayz]

I'm done with this, retire before you become another Toni Gonzales pleaseBerry's not ever going to be a TG...

[ILChief]

Berry's not ever going to be a TG...

You’re right. Tony actually played

[Flying High D]

Is it true since being here Hobospirit has played less than 40% of the games he’s been under contract for?

[threebag]

That’s the Spirit

[Chiefs Moon]

He's been too busy meeting with lawyers and financial planners to meet with medical experts. The important thing is to lock in the money. The time for the surgery was last August. He has had 6 months to figure out how to get back on the field. He chose to do nothing. The Chiefs need to find the most cap-friendly way to part company with him.

[Flying High D]

Is Dorsey laughing at this?

[BossChief]

The way this Berry deal has blown up in KCs face has probably impacted the safety FA market significantly.

Look at the way teams avoided signing top safeties last year and how many were rumored to be on the trade market during the season. Dix, Thomas, Collins, etc.

Teams are terrified of being taken advantage of like what happened to KC.

[FringeNC]

He's not going to retire. He's due a huge paycheck in 2019, and most likely if he gets the surgery it becomes guaranteed. The cap benefit of cutting him later isn't great, so I think we are stuck with him for 2019. Let's just hope he can contribute after the surgery.

I think it's more likely Berry is on the team than Houston. There are real cap savings cutting Houston.

[SAUTO]

The way this Berry deal has blown up in KCs face has probably impacted the safety FA market significantly.

Look at the way teams avoided signing top safeties last year and how many were rumored to be on the trade market during the season. Dix, Thomas, Collins, etc.

Teams are terrified of being taken advantage of like what happened to KC.I think you're reaching here.

None of this issue has to do with him being a safety so why would it impact other safety contracts? Makes no sense.

[BossChief]

I think you're reaching here.

None of this issue has to do with him being a safety so why would it impact other safety contracts? Makes no sense.

I think teams are looking at the impact safeties make in relation to cost and are determining the risk to reward ratio for safeties is similar to running backs. Berry represents the risk portion.

[SAUTO]

I think teams are looking at the impact safeties make in relation to cost and are determining the risk to reward ratio for safeties is similar to running backs. Berry represents the risk portion.

IMO you're wrong. He didn't represent the risk of being a safety in relation to a contract.

His injuries aren't related to being a safety.

All positions rupture achilles. The bone spur happens.

Teams aren't looking at eric berry and his contract and using the logic that's he's been injured and deciding to not pay safeties.

Now if he had concussion issues you might be on to something. Or shoulder issues.

[GloryDayz]

The way this Berry deal has blown up in KCs face has probably impacted the safety FA market significantly.

Look at the way teams avoided signing top safeties last year and how many were rumored to be on the trade market during the season. Dix, Thomas, Collins, etc.

Teams are terrified of being taken advantage of like what happened to KC.

I think it's just another memory teams will have in the back of their mind when they're considering "paying" a player.

It doesn't mean they won't, but I think some may think a little longer because nobody wants to be Berry'd.

[SAUTO]

I think it's just another memory teams will have in the back of their mind when they're considering "paying" a player.

It doesn't mean they won't, but I think some may think a little longer because nobody wants to be Berry'd.

Then teams will be hesitant to sign ANY player to a big deal.

[GloryDayz]

Then teams will be hesitant to sign ANY player to a big deal.

Yes. That was my point.

[Chief Northman]

He's not going to retire. He's due a huge paycheck in 2019, and most likely if he gets the surgery it becomes guaranteed. The cap benefit of cutting him later isn't great, so I think we are stuck with him for 2019. Let's just hope he can contribute after the surgery.

I think it's more likely Berry is on the team than Houston. There are real cap savings cutting Houston.

This.

Berry can get a taste of his selfish ways when he sees his best friend getting the axe because of his inaction regarding the heel injury.
Not much the Chiefs can do about his contract. Berry holds all the cards here. If he is still holding a grudge over the insurance coverage payment, then screw him - every other gm/owner/franchise would have done the same. Hunt made Berry’s family set for life, and now he is acting like an entitled ass.

Reid/Veach/Hunt all see that Mahomes is the unquestioned leader of this team and the new face of the NFL. Eric Berry’s legacy is ever-eroding and he will be but just a mention in Chiefs football history. Get over yourself Eric. Be happy you are alive....

[threebag]

I am sure Heel be ready to work out a team friendly deal LMAO

The team, EB 29 and his agent will Haglund find a solution.

Probably just waiting for someone to spur the conversations

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Pretty much everybody reported that the players were okay with it. IIRC, Justin Houston said in an interview he knew why it had to be done.

Sounds like the RGR guys are pulling stuff out of their derrière's.

Whatever the case, the Chiefs need to win a SB quickly if for no other reason than finally being able to put the kid gloves to bed, and begin working like a franchise assembling and trading ASSETS to the advantage of the team, NOT individual players.
There is literally ONE PLAYER on this team now who is sacred, and it's NOT a cap-raping OLB or Safety.

Is Dorsey laughing at this?

Yes. And with MUCH enthusiasm and gusto. He's putting his own team together, a team that is starting to be picked by various pundits to do big things in the coming years. Make no mistake; we didn't just lose cap space over this abortion, we lost premium FO talent as well in the "great" name of Hobospirit 29.

This.

Berry can get a taste of his selfish ways when he sees his best friend getting the axe because of his inaction regarding the heel injury.
Not much the Chiefs can do about his contract. Berry holds all the cards here. If he is still holding a grudge over the insurance coverage payment, then screw him - every other gm/owner/franchise would have done the same. Hunt made Berry’s family set for life, and now he is acting like an entitled ass.

Reid/Veach/Hunt all see that Mahomes is the unquestioned leader of this team and the new face of the NFL. Eric Berry’s legacy is ever-eroding and he will be but just a mention in Chiefs football history. Get over yourself Eric. Be happy you are alive....

This is a beautiful story and should be made in to a film and/or after school special. I approve thee and officially greenlight.

[SuperBowl4]

Great news. EB will be back just in time for next years AFC Championship Game!

[Reerun_KC]

Great news. EB will be back just in time for next years AFC Championship Game!

His performance was very detrimental to the team.

[Flying High D]

Great news. EB will be back just in time for next years AFC Championship Game!

Great news everybody. Everything is going to be alright.

[Flying High D]

His performance was very detrimental to the team.

Expected by all, except ball washers.

[Marcellus]

In listening to one of the RGR podcast it got brought up that we may have to be careful in how we hand Berry and Houston because of how close of friends they have become and that they were already upset about the handling of the Marcus Peters situation.

Kind of makes a person wonder if that is the reason they are being so patient with Berry is in hopes of doing something with Houstons contract.

I don't believe this for 1 second.

[Reerun_KC]

Both berry and Houston can go.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

In listening to one of the RGR podcast it got brought up that we may have to be careful in how we hand Berry and Houston because of how close of friends they have become and that they were already upset about the handling of the Marcus Peters situation.

Kind of makes a person wonder if that is the reason they are being so patient with Berry is in hopes of doing something with Houstons contract.

I don’t believe this to be the case, but IF it was then they need to cut Berry & Houston BOTH post June 1st and be done with them.

No need for all this extra drama and the extra money tied up in these 2 IF the above were to be true . . . . .

[SAUTO]

I don't believe this for 1 second.

I don't either

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Great news. EB will be back just in time for next years AFC Championship Game!

God I hope not.

[GloryDayz]

His presence is very detrimental to the team.

Fixed.

[FringeNC]

I don’t believe this to be the case, but IF it was then they need to cut Berry & Houston BOTH post June 1st and be done with them.

No need for all this extra drama and the extra money tied up in these 2 IF the above were to be true . . . . .

Exactly, the D was a joke anyway. IF they are in the slightest bit malcontents, GTFO.

[Flying High D]

Exactly, the D was a joke anyway. IF they are in the slightest bit malcontents, GTFO.

Sorry fellas we have Mahomes now. Restructure or GTFO!!!!

[Chief Roundup]

I don't believe this for 1 second.

I don't either

I don't either but I have some doubt.
Houston had a mediocre year for him. Berry didn't and still doesn't have the "spirit" to make a decision about his heel. He should have had surgery during the season or by now if he is thinking about 2019. Probably all just coincidence but it makes a person wonder.

[Red Dawg]

Both berry and Houston can go.

Yup, they certainly can.

[GloryDayz]

Eric. Berry. Is. A. Cancer....

[loochy]

So did this MFer have surgery yet?

[htismaqe]

The decision is day to day.

[loochy]

Every day that he waits is another day of the season that he doesn't play or practice (if he does get surgery)

and dammit, he NEEDS a full preseason to get back up to speed

[Great Expectations]

I’m guessing he has surgery on May 30th.

[htismaqe]

I’m guessing he has surgery on May 30th.

IIRC, his contract guarantees kick in the first day of the new season - March 11th.

If he waits until May 30th, they can cut him in March and make him a June 1st designation. If he has surgery next week, he can't pass a physical and can't be cut at all.

At least that's the scenario that was being discussed a few weeks ago.

[Titty Meat]

Yeah almost to March fuck this guy hes milking it

[GloryDayz]

"Berry", "Eric Berry", and "EB" need to be auto-replaced with a :cuss: or Raiduhs emoji.

[Rausch]

IIRC, his contract guarantees kick in the first day of the new season - March 11th.

If he waits until May 30th, they can cut him in March and make him a June 1st designation. If he has surgery next week, he can't pass a physical and can't be cut at all.

At least that's the scenario that was being discussed a few weeks ago.

Lovely.

Sounds like there really isn't a good out for Berry or the Chiefs...

[htismaqe]

Lovely.

Sounds like there really isn't a good out for Berry or the Chiefs...

The thing is, Berry doesn't need an out, he needs an IN. If he can manage to stick around, he gets paid again for basically standing around. That's a good gig.

[Rausch]

The thing is, Berry doesn't need an out, he needs an IN. If he can manage to stick around, he gets paid again for basically standing around. That's a good gig.

To be clear I mean he's prevented from having the surgery if he wants to be a FA/cut and without it there's a good chance we're going through the same thing this year as far as him being week to week.

[GloryDayz]

The thing is, Berry doesn't need an out, he needs an IN. If he can manage to stick around, he gets paid again for basically standing around. That's a good gig.

Which he did both on and off the field last season. The useless POS..

[Red Dawg]

I don't wanna hear anymore about how Berry isn't a selfish asshole. He's totally screwing the Chiefs over after they stood by him through everything.

What a total dick he is.

[TEX]

The thing is, Berry doesn't need an out, he needs an IN. If he can manage to stick around, he gets paid again for basically standing around. That's a good gig.

Exactly. I'm pretty sure that was not his plan from the get go, but it definitely morphed into that somewhere down the line. Dude, and his agent, know exactly what they're doing. The fan base is also starting to wake up to it. If enough fans become sour, sooner rather than later, then maybe the Chiefs become pro-active and cut him & deal with the financial fall out, and move on. Something is going to have to prod them into doing what needs to be done.

[BossChief]

He just needs to retire.

Sucks to think about, but I bet that’s the real decision he’s contemplating.

The guys a warrior, but his body is done.

[Skyy God]

Berry can’t fuck off to a bridge underpass too soon.

[Skyy God]

He just needs to retire.

Sucks to think about, but I bet that’s the real decision he’s contemplating.

The guys a warrior, but his body is done.

And give back $12M?? Pffffft.

[TEX]

He just needs to retire.

Sucks to think about, but I bet that’s the real decision he’s contemplating.
The guys a warrior, but his body is done.

I think you're part right. The other part is trying to work it to get the most $$$ in doing so...

If I understand the situation correctly, if the Chiefs force the issue, and rid themselves of him, he comes away with the most cash. So, no way he retires. That's probably closer to the real situation he's contemplating.

[Chief Northman]

I actually think part of Berry’s decision is tied to Houston. If the Chiefs move on from Houston, he will want out. They are tight. As many have already said, there is no palatable situation in a parting with Berry here. One way or another, the Chiefs are on the hook for a lot of money whether he is here or not.

[Sorce]

Can the medical staff just say he is good to play or needs surgery and force him to have to produce a second opinion. At that point if he doesn't do what he needs to then suspend him for violating team rules. He'll appeal and then let it go to arbitration.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I actually think part of Berry’s decision is tied to Houston. If the Chiefs move on from Houston, he will want out. They are tight. As many have already said, there is no palatable situation in a parting with Berry here. One way or another, the Chiefs are on the hook for a lot of money whether he is here or not.

In regards to his friendship with Houston, it's probably not a major factor, but I'm sure it's part of the big picture. I hate to say it, but I'm starting to think that the Haglunds is just a cover story for something much, much worse.

If this were just a matter of a corrective foot surgery, it would have been attended to long ago. A man who lives to play is not going to let a foot growth with a known, restorative procedure stand in the way of doing what he loves. If it were just a matter of foot surgery and rehab, Berry would have been hard at it throughout 2018, not attending team meetings, functions, and hanging around on the sideline. I don't have all of the information on Haglunds, so I am not 100% familiar with all of the risks involved in attempting to correct it. But unless one of the potential complications is never being able to walk again without assistance or at all, I don't see a player like EB just bailing out and giving up on trying to correct it.

No, there's something more here. Something berry wrong.

[UChieffyBugger]

Is there any possibility that the guy just may not need surgery and merely resting for several weeks/the offseason will do the trick? Because let's be honest, if the injury was that bad, then there's no way he plays those games towards the end of the season. If any potential surgery doesn't take place soon then it might be good news instead of something that's negative. Because I cannot see why he would delay it if he knows it's needed, it just doesn't make sense at all.

[Bugeater]

Oh great, Eric's mom has returned.

[Bwana]

This POS can't be gone fast enough.

[loochy]

Is there any possibility that the guy just may not need surgery and merely resting for several weeks/the offseason will do the trick? Because let's be honest, if the injury was that bad, then there's no way he plays those games towards the end of the season. If any potential surgery doesn't take place soon then it might be good news instead of something that's negative. Because I cannot see why he would delay it if he knows it's needed, it just doesn't make sense at all.

No. He rested for the better part of two years....he had a few workouts and 3 games in that timespan. Do you really think more rest would help at all?

[UChieffyBugger]

Oh great, Eric's mom has returned.

Sorry for not being a crybaby like so many On this thread. I'll work on my tears and rolling the floor more, I promise ROFL .

[Chief Northman]

I also don’t get why the whole Berry situation hasn’t received more media “scrutiny”. Everybody can see the situation is bizarre. He can start for a handful of games late in the season, peaces out for the Divisional, then suddenly is fine again for the AFCCG.

Something stinks.

We need some twitter sleuths “with sources” to get on the horn here. Local media is too cowardly to rock the boat.

[UChieffyBugger]

No. He rested for the better part of two years....he had a few workouts and 3 games in that timespan. Do you really think more rest would help at all?

"Rested?" You do know it usually takes several months of rehab to recover from the injury he had, right? So he was not "resting". This heel thing then comes out of nowhere during training camp after recovering from the other injury, so it's two different things.

IF he needs the surgery then of course he should get it right now as there's a chance he plays at least half of next season and the playoffs. BUT if there's a chance that he doesn't need surgery then that's good news imo. Too many people aren't thinking logically and just get so overly emotional over this smh.

[Mecca]

I also don’t get why the whole Berry situation hasn’t received more media “scrutiny”. Everhody can see the situation is bizarre. He can start for a handful of games late in the season, peaces out for the Divisional, then suddenly is fine again for the AFCCG.

Something stinks.

We need some twitter sleuths “with sources” to get on the horn here. Local mefia is too cowardly to rock the boat.

Because none of these people want to be the reporter or station that busts on the cancer survivor. They will get backlash for it because for everyone that is a fan like this there are a ton of casuals that love him and will get pissed.

But it's blatantly obviously what he's doing.

[UChieffyBugger]

Because none of these people want to be the reporter or station that busts on the cancer survivor. They will get backlash for it because for everyone that is a fan like this there are a ton of casuals that love him and will get pissed.

But it's blatantly obviously what he's doing.

What is he doing?

[Mecca]

What is he doing?

He's prolonging that surgery so he can't pass a physical thus guaranteeing another year here on that ridiculous contract.

This shit from Berry is nothing more than a long game ploy to see as much of that contract as he can. He knows he's done.

[htismaqe]

"Rested?" You do know it usually takes several months of rehab to recover from the injury he had, right? So he was not "resting". This heel thing then comes out of nowhere during training camp after recovering from the other injury, so it's two different things.

IF he needs the surgery then of course he should get it right now as there's a chance he plays at least half of next season and the playoffs. BUT if there's a chance that he doesn't need surgery then that's good news imo. Too many people aren't thinking logically and just get so overly emotional over this smh.

He was resting for most of last season and that's how he ended up "day to day".

Resting doesn't work for a bone deformity. You either get it fixed or you don't.

[htismaqe]

In regards to his friendship with Houston, it's probably not a major factor, but I'm sure it's part of the big picture. I hate to say it, but I'm starting to think that the Haglunds is just a cover story for something much, much worse.

If this were just a matter of a corrective foot surgery, it would have been attended to long ago. A man who lives to play is not going to let a foot growth with a known, restorative procedure stand in the way of doing what he loves. If it were just a matter of foot surgery and rehab, Berry would have been hard at it throughout 2018, not attending team meetings, functions, and hanging around on the sideline. I don't have all of the information on Haglunds, so I am not 100% familiar with all of the risks involved in attempting to correct it. But unless one of the potential complications is never being able to walk again without assistance or at all, I don't see a player like EB just bailing out and giving up on trying to correct it.

No, there's something more here. Something berry wrong.

I agree with you. I think when Berry said it's complicated, he was being honest. I fear he's sick again or something.

[GloryDayz]

I don't wanna hear anymore about how Berry isn't a selfish asshole. He's totally screwing the Chiefs over after they stood by him through everything.

What a total dick he is.

Spot on... He's a total dick. He may have the right, the ability, the contract language, and anything else to make it happen, but that doesn't mean he's not a shitty and selfish person for actually doing it.

The dude is a dick and a cancer...

[UChieffyBugger]

He's prolonging that surgery so he can't pass a physical thus guaranteeing another year here on that ridiculous contract.

This shit from Berry is nothing more than a long game ploy to see as much of that contract as he can. He knows he's done.

But if he got the surgery now He wouldn't pass the physical anyway? So what's the difference? Or is there something In the contract regarding surgery?

[htismaqe]

But if he got the surgery now He wouldn't pass the physical anyway? So what's the difference? Or is there something In the contract regarding surgery?

The speculation in the media is that if he can't pass a physical when the season starts in March, his contract is guaranteed for the 2019 season.

[UChieffyBugger]

The speculation in the media is that if he can't pass a physical when the season starts in March, his contract is guaranteed for the 2019 season.

Yeah I get that. But folks are saying that he's "delaying the surgery" In order to screw the team and not pass the physical. But how can that be when If he gets the surgery now he wouldn't be able to pass a physical anyway? SMH the nonsense some of these folks are talking man ROFL

[htismaqe]

Yeah I get that. But folks are saying that he's "delaying the surgery" In order to screw the team and not pass the physical. But how can that be when If he gets the surgery now he wouldn't be able to pass a physical anyway? SMH the nonsense some of these folks are talking man ROFL

True enough. You'd think he'd need at least 6 weeks or so, which means he would have needed to get the surgery well before now. If that's the case, why is he still waiting?

I go back to what SDH said, I think there's something else going on. I think Berry is worse off than any of us know.

[Sassy Squatch]

Whatever the issue is it was so "devastating" that the Chiefs had him pencilled in to start week 5 at the latest.

[htismaqe]

Whatever the issue is it was so "devastating" that the Chiefs had him pencilled in to start week 5 at the latest.

Maybe it was foot soreness to start out but something emerged later? I don't know. I find it hard to believe that a guy like Berry would just up and quit. I find it even harder to believe that his teammates would continue to rally around him like they did if he did.

[The Franchise]

Dude just needs to retire. His mind and will have apparently not caught up to his body yet. It’s over. Your career is done.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

He's prolonging that surgery so he can't pass a physical thus guaranteeing another year here on that ridiculous contract.

This shit from Berry is nothing more than a long game ploy to see as much of that contract as he can. He knows he's done.

So his plan is to prolong the surgery to avoid the June 1st cut then?

[ChiefBlueCFC]

So many insiders with intimate knowledge of the situation! This is why I joined this site!!

[htismaqe]

So his plan is to prolong the surgery to avoid the June 1st cut then?

How would that work?

[Reerun_KC]

Maybe it was foot soreness to start out but something emerged later? I don't know. I find it hard to believe that a guy like Berry would just up and quit. I find it even harder to believe that his teammates would continue to rally around him like they did if he did.

How many athletes over the years have gotten paid and quit?

Roger Dorn comes to mind...

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

How would that work?

I don't know, that's why I'm asking. Quick question; Is a player obliged to share all medical information with the team he is under contract to?

[-King-]

He's prolonging that surgery so he can't pass a physical thus guaranteeing another year here on that ridiculous contract.

This shit from Berry is nothing more than a long game ploy to see as much of that contract as he can. He knows he's done.

If he had the surgery he wouldn't pass the physical anyway. What are you talking about?

[Mecca]

Whatever his problem is the Chiefs need to get rid of this situation but why do I feel like they won't cut him?

[Mecca]

If he had the surgery he wouldn't pass the physical anyway. What are you talking about?

Maybe he just doesn't want to have surgery because if he has 2 achillies surgeries he's more than done.

[htismaqe]

How many athletes over the years have gotten paid and quit?

Roger Dorn comes to mind...

He didn't quit after getting paid though. Why has he hung around this long?

And why does the locker room seemingly still not only approve, but LOVE him?'

It's a weird situation all the way around.

[htismaqe]

Maybe he just doesn't want to have surgery because if he has 2 achillies surgeries he's more than done.

If he doesn't get it done, isn't he done already? It's so confusing. LOL

[threebag]

"Berry", "Eric Berry", and "EB" need to be auto-replaced with a :cuss: or Raiduhs emoji.

:Superman: because of the workouts

[threebag]

The speculation in the media is that if he can't pass a physical when the season starts in March, his contract is guaranteed for the 2019 season.

Seems backwards assed as fuck, especially with all the Olympus style workouts with RBG

[threebag]

I don't know, that's why I'm asking. Quick question; Is a player obliged to share all medical information with the team he is under contract to?

You would think. Especially with the amounts of cash involved and the restrictions of roster space and cap monies

[Chris Meck]

breaking news:
Chris Meck thinking about recording a grammy winning record this year.

same difference, really.

[Lzen]

I wish he would do whatever it takes to stop screwing the Chiefs. They have wasted a roster spot for him. It's time to either put up or GTFO!

[threebag]

I have no use for him. Parker could have covered brokeback Gronk better than Berry did. It’s time to 86 number 29

[staylor26]

This is one of the weirdest situations I’ve ever seen man

Wtf

[BossChief]

Question:

Can Berry even retire until the new year starts?

Iirc when’s player retires, most of his dead money accelerates (the prorated portion of what’s left) and it’s technically still 2018 as far as the league goes and the Chiefs don’t have room for that shot of dead money.

Berry has all the medical recommendations a couple weeks ago and hasn’t had the surgery...he also surely saw what happened to John Wall after his surgery.

I have to wonder if Berry intends to retire when the new league year starts and that’s why he hasn’t had the surgery yet.

[htismaqe]

This is one of the weirdest situations I’ve ever seen man

Wtf

I can't remember a player personnel situation like this one. I mean there were some weird ones (e.g. Ricky Williams) but none that were about an injury like this one.

[GloryDayz]

:Superman: because of the workouts

We never saw the workouts, so there's no proof they happened. We saw him run on the field, I mean we saw him get continually out-played on the filed, and that suggests he hasn't worked out since signing his latest deal.. So I respectfully disagree...

[htismaqe]

Question:

Can Berry even retire until the new year starts?

Iirc when’s player retires, most of his dead money accelerates (the prorated portion of what’s left) and it’s technically still 2018 as far as the league goes and the Chiefs don’t have room for that shot of dead money.

Berry has all the medical recommendations a couple weeks ago and hasn’t had the surgery...he also surely saw what happened to John Wall after his surgery.

I have to wonder if Berry intends to retire when the new league year starts and that’s why he hasn’t had the surgery yet.

He can't retire until March 11th I don't think.

Now he's the real interesting piece. For retirement, it does not appear the team can designate the date like with a cut. So if they want to spread it out post-June 1st, he'd actually have to retire AFTER June 1st.

There's also the pro-rated portion of his signing bonus that they could try to recoup but I don't think that actually affects the cap, not sure about that.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

You would think. Especially with the amounts of cash involved and the restrictions of roster space and cap monies

That's what one would think. I speculate that if not required to by contract, perhaps Berry's people would not release certain medical paperwork to the Chiefs which in turn could have caused Dorsey to be a real stickler on the insurance issue with his contract. Dorsey should have been a hard-ass on that issue anyway as it was in the best interest of the Chiefs either way.

But getting back to what Tiz said, "It's complicated" was probably the most honest moment in this entire affair. If you watch Berry, the way he carries himself is very somber these days.
When they first put him back on the field( I think it was the first time ), he was out there going ballistic on his team mates in an effort to get them to line up correctly and mind their assignments. This in itself is not that unusual, especially considering the overall group of dunderheads we put on the field last year. But when you combine that with the secrecy, the seeming unwillingness to correct what should be a fairly simple medical procedure, and the overall changes in the personality of a man that was a fierce competitor and who also played the game with a fair amount of levity( "gimme' dat ball, Eli"! ), it paints the picture of an individual who has become a ghost of his former self, and who the team is treating more like a loved son with not much time left, letting him come and go as he pleases, and contributing in ways that he can.

Or maybe it IS all about the money and Berry feeling as if he was treated poorly by Dorsey. But even then, Clark came in and handed the man and his agent everything important that they wanted or needed. AND, Dorsey got fired and is no longer around! So how Berry could still hold a grudge is beyond me. Even his bestie Houston got a big payday as well. By all accounts, Berry should be very happy with where the team is headed and should be going all-out to get back on the field, contribute, and be a major player in getting this franchise to a Super Bowl, wouldn't you think?

However you weigh it or choose to analyze it, none of this shit adds up.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

breaking news:
Chris Meck thinking about recording a grammy winning record this year.

same difference, really.

Can I play drums on this masterpiece? I've been playing since I was 10 and have a pocket wider and deeper than the Mississippi; I won't let you down! :D

[htismaqe]

That's what one would think. I speculate that if not required to by contract, perhaps Berry's people would not release certain medical paperwork to the Chiefs which in turn could have caused Dorsey to be a real stickler on the insurance issue with his contract. Dorsey should have been a hard-ass on that issue anyway as it was in the best interest of the Chiefs either way.

But getting back to what Tiz said, "It's complicated" was probably the most honest moment in this entire affair. If you watch Berry, the way he carries himself is very somber these days.
When they first put him back on the field( I think it was the first time ), he was out there going ballistic on his team mates in an effort to get them to line up correctly and mind their assignments. This in itself is not that unusual, especially considering the overall group of dunderheads we put on the field last year. But when you combine that with the secrecy, the seeming unwillingness to correct what should be a fairly simple medical procedure, and the overall changes in the personality of a man that was a fierce competitor and who also played the game with a fair amount of levity( "gimme' dat ball, Eli"! ), it paints the picture of an individual who has become a ghost of his former self, and who the team is treating more like a loved son with not much time left, letting him come and go as he pleases, and contributing in ways that he can.

Or maybe it IS all about the money and Berry feeling as if he was treated poorly by Dorsey. But even then, Clark came in and handed the man and his agent everything important that they wanted or needed. AND, Dorsey got fired and is no longer around! So how Berry could still hold a grudge is beyond me. Even his bestie Houston got a big payday as well. By all accounts, Berry should be very happy with where the team is headed and should be going all-out to get back on the field, contribute, and be a major player in getting this franchise to a Super Bowl, wouldn't you think?

However you weigh it or choose to analyze it, none of this shit adds up.

Great post. The part I highlighted in bold was exactly what I was picturing when I mentioned him saying "it's complicated". Almost like he was defeated.

[Chris Meck]

I don't hate the guy at all.
I don't know what's going on, but I agree that something just seems wrong and it's weird.

I do think he's done; I'm not sure if he knows it or not. I would think that Veach and Reid probably do. I'm not entirely sure what can or can't be done about it, but I don't think you can go into the season paying him all that money.

I hope it's not that the cancer is back. Anything else is better than that. I wish him well.

[htismaqe]

I don't hate the guy at all.
I don't know what's going on, but I agree that something just seems wrong and it's weird.

I do think he's done; I'm not sure if he knows it or not. I would think that Veach and Reid probably do. I'm not entirely sure what can or can't be done about it, but I don't think you can go into the season paying him all that money.

I hope it's not that the cancer is back. Anything else is better than that. I wish him well.

You summed up my feelings almost exactly.

I don't hate him. I don't harbor any ill will.

The situation is very weird and very frustrating.

I also think he's done and while I hope all the best for him, I also want what is best for the Chiefs and that is to get him off of their cap.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Great post. The part I highlighted in bold was exactly what I was picturing when I mentioned him saying "it's complicated". Almost like he was defeated.

Something else to consider:

Most cancer survivors I've seen and the few that I've known do NOT carry themselves like EB does. These folks are full of life, energetic, carry a positive, can-do attitude, and will generally stop at nothing in pursuing a goal which they have set for themselves.

They also have no qualms in expressing their joy in beating the disease as well as reaching out to others who are going through the same struggle. I know that Eric did this quite a bit when he first came back, but has been somewhat silent on that front over the last two seasons as far as I can see.

Let me be perfectly clear; I respect Eric a great deal for beating that disease the way he did, and for coming back with all cylinders fired-up and ready to play again. And I hope that all of this mess truly IS trivial and financial as opposed to the return of a life-threatening disease. And if I knew for certain that EB's life was hanging in the balance, I most certainly would not razz him on a weekly basis. The problem is, we're all just fans of this team that would like to know what's going on, if anything. It's hard to be sympathetic to a player or a situation when you have no facts to weigh.

[threebag]

Yeah I don’t hate the guy I just love the team

[SAUTO]

surely they wouldnt have let him play in a fucking nfl game if the cancer was back, right?

[threebag]

Make-a-Wish

Seriously hope his health isn’t the question and it’s his or his agents (or whomever is advising) greed.

[007]

So he still hasn't committed to the surgery. Sorry. Bye.

I'll be damned if the chiefs sit and let him pull the day to day bullshit again all season long.

[Chris Meck]

surely they wouldnt have let him play in a ****ing nfl game if the cancer was back, right?

why not? It's not like it's contagious.

As someone with way more first hand knowledge of this type of situation than I'd ever wish on anyone else, you let the person do whatever they feel they are up to.

My wife did her last performance 6 weeks before she died.

[SAUTO]

why not? It's not like it's contagious.

As someone with way more first hand knowledge of this type of situation than I'd ever wish on anyone else, you let the person do whatever they feel they are up to.

My wife did her last performance 6 weeks before she died.

I just dont see them letting that happen. i mean hell guys some here think he passed a physical before any game he played in...

[BWillie]

Why on Earth hasn't he got surgery yet? This is ridiculous.

[ptlyon]

Can I play drums on this masterpiece? I've been playing since I was 10 and have a pocket wider and deeper than the Mississippi; I won't let you down! :D

I'm on cowbell! Or triangle. I'm really good on the triangle.

[TwistedChief]

Are we all so sure he needs surgery? He almost caught up to Gronk.

[TEX]

Why on Earth hasn't he got surgery yet? This is ridiculous.

It's complicated...

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Are we all so sure he needs surgery? He almost caught up to Gronk.


And how does 2018 Gronk compare to 2016 Gronk?

[KCUnited]

Can we get him a golf cart ala Casey Martin except sitting on rims?

[T-post Tom]

Hate to be cynical about a favorite player, but I think Berry is done and he knows it. Wouldn't be surprised at all if this is tied to money & his contract. I found this take from an agent very informative:

"The Chiefs haven't gotten much return on their investment in three-time first team All-Pro safety Eric Berry since he signed a six-year, $78 million contract in 2017 to become the NFL's highest-paid safety. He ruptured his left Achilles tendon in the 2017 season opener. A heel injury, which may require surgery, limited Berry to two games this game this season before his return for the AFC Championship.

Berry's $16.5 million 2019 cap number is second among safeties. When he signed his deal, $10.2 million of Berry's $12.4 million 2019 base salary was guaranteed for injury. Last march, $2.95 million of the $10.2 million became fully guaranteed. The remaining $7.25 million is fully guaranteed on the third day of the 2019 league year, which is March 15.

The Chiefs could potentially pick up $9.55 million of cap space by releasing Berry with a post-June 1 designation before the March 15 guarantee date for the $7.25 million. NFL teams can release two players each league year prior to June 1 that will be treated under the cap as if they were released after June 1. With a post-June 1 designation, a team is required to carry the player's full cap number until June 2 even though he is no longer a part of the roster. The player's salary comes off the books at that time unless it is guaranteed. Kansas City would have $6.95 million of dead money, which is cap charge for a player no longer on a team's roster, for 2019. Berry would remain on Kansas City's books in 2020 with an $8 million cap charge that would relate to his $20 million signing bonus.

The heel surgery could compromise Kansas City's ability to release Berry in this manner. An inability to pass a physical by March 15 could put the Chiefs on the hook for $7.25 million depending on the actual language of Berry's injury guarantee. If that's case, only $2.3 million would 2019 cap space would be gained from the post-June 1 designation."

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-heres-what-comes-next-for-chiefs-and-how-they-can-build-on-success/

[TwistedChief]

And how does 2018 Gronk compare to 2016 Gronk?

Come on, SDH. I love Eric Berry. You hate him. But I would’ve hoped you’d see that post was laced with sarcasm.

That said, it’s amazing how much the narrative around him might be different had he gotten his arm up in the fourth quarter and broken up that pass. Wow. But he really fucking blew it. I’ll eat crow all day on that because I never expected that horrifying of an ending.

If we could cut him with a minimal cap hit, all day long. The reality is he’s still probably on our team next year, and I am more optimistic than most - given our immutable predicament - that he might be able to solidly contribute if the guy would just fix his fucking heel. I hate that surgery is still in limbo and this nonsense is still....day-to-day.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Literally any dollar we save by cutting this cat is a plus, as we are and will get nothing in return by keeping him.

[Chris Meck]

Come on, SDH. I love Eric Berry. You hate him. But I would’ve hoped you’d see that post was laced with sarcasm.

That said, it’s amazing how much the narrative around him might be different had he gotten his arm up in the fourth quarter and broken up that pass. Wow. But he really ****ing blew it. I’ll eat crow all day on that because I never expected that horrifying of an ending.

If we could cut him with a minimal cap hit, all day long. The reality is he’s still probably on our team next year, and I am more optimistic than most - given our immutable predicament - that he might be able to solidly contribute if the guy would just fix his ****ing heel. I hate that surgery is still in limbo and this nonsense is still....day-to-day.


Literally the only reason the surgery is still in limbo is because if he fails that physical we have to pay him. There's no other reason to put it off. It also means that his intent is to probably NOT play again. He's gonna get paid one more year and then retire.

It's business; and on a business level, that's the smart play for him. It sucks, and we can all get mad, but we'd probably do the same thing. It's his last big money, it's going to have to set him up for the rest of his life.

[TwistedChief]

Literally the only reason the surgery is still in limbo is because if he fails that physical we have to pay him. There's no other reason to put it off. It also means that his intent is to probably NOT play again. He's gonna get paid one more year and then retire.

It's business; and on a business level, that's the smart play for him. It sucks, and we can all get mad, but we'd probably do the same thing. It's his last big money, it's going to have to set him up for the rest of his life.

I would do the same thing if I were in his shoes. Blame management for giving him these guarantees and curse your own fate (see: Dan Snyder and Alex Smith).

But I’ll be honest: I just don’t think that’s Eric Berry. I really don’t think he’s gaming this situation. Fans are mad and frustrated and I get it. But the people who actually know his situation and are around him daily during the season anointed him the team’s motivational leader. Presumably they know more than we do about the situation, and they don’t think the guy is solely trying to collect another paycheck while fucking the team.

Maybe I’m wrong but no one has done anything here but speculate out of obvious and entirely warranted frustration.

[Bugeater]

Literally the only reason the surgery is still in limbo is because if he fails that physical we have to pay him. There's no other reason to put it off. It also means that his intent is to probably NOT play again. He's gonna get paid one more year and then retire.

It's business; and on a business level, that's the smart play for him. It sucks, and we can all get mad, but we'd probably do the same thing. It's his last big money, it's going to have to set him up for the rest of his life.His first fucking contract should have set him up for life. GTFO of here with that shit.

[SAUTO]

His first fucking contract should have set him up for life. GTFO of here with that shit.

Seriously