Giants' rumored to franchis Tag L. Collins and E. Thomas Rumored to go to the Packers

[DTVietnam]

or Cowboys:

all just rumors for now, but I dont see us grabbing any saftey help in FA

Here's to hoping the Chiefs are too busy focusing on a way of keeping at least Hill, Jones, and Ford/Houston and still throwingh a bag of Money at Mahomes. . Priorities first. . the rest can fall in place..


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Giants?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Giants</a> ARE expected to use the franchise tag on S Landon Collins. The franchise tag will have Collins scheduled to make around $11 million in 2019. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CTBNews?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CTBNews</a></p>&mdash; Catch The Blitz (@CatchTheBlitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/CatchTheBlitz/status/1097611657050767360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[New World Order]

I have a feeling Honey Badger will sign here

[TwistedChief]

Terrrrrrrrible thread title.

The Earl Thomas bit isn't a "rumor" - it's a PFF projection from last week (which includes where the PFF writer thinks all key free agents will end up). Meaningless.

[Sassy Squatch]

LMAO Rumors =/= PFT throwing shit at the wall.

[CoMoChief]

The Chiefs rarely sign big named FA's. I mean Sammy Watkins was probably their biggest FA signing since....? Trying to remember off top of my head, but the last time they made a trade for one was....maybe Patrick Surtain? I'm not counting Alex Smith as a top tier FA because heading into 2013 he was a very "meh" QB in a shitty FA QB market. Ended up working out ok...i guess :/

I dont think Chiefs will sign anyone in that upper tier market. They're Goodwill FA shoppers.

Schwartz was a very good signing, but you rarely see RT's considered as "blockbuster" signings, if that makes sense.

[Gravedigger]

Get some authentic sources, then post something.

[TwistedChief]

The Chiefs rarely sign big named FA's. I mean Sammy Watkins was probably their biggest FA signing since....? Trying to remember off top of my head, but the last time they made a trade for one was....maybe Patrick Surtain? I'm not counting Alex Smith as a top tier FA because heading into 2013 he was a very "meh" QB in a shitty FA QB market. Ended up working out ok...i guess :/

I dont think Chiefs will sign anyone in that upper tier market. They're Goodwill FA shoppers.

So Veach has one full offseason as a GM and signs Watkins.

Yet you think a better predictor of our future free agent signings is what Peterson and Pioli did a decade ago?

Don’t think so.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Thomas will be a Cowboy. Think he’d even take a minor discount to do so.

[BleedingRed]

Thomas will be a Cowboy. Think he’d even take a minor discount to do so.

It is known

[Dante84]

LMAO Rumors =/= PFT throwing shit at the wall.


Not even PFT - it’s PFF lol

[TambaBerry]

catch the blitz has 56 followers

[Sorce]

If we were gonna tag and trade Ford would you trade him straight up for Collins?

[Eleazar]

So, he going to sign with the Raiders, Packers, and Cowboys now. Maybe we can get part of the timeshare before the rumor mill is finished.

[htismaqe]

If we were gonna tag and trade Ford would you trade him straight up for Collins?

Yes.

[Buckweath]

If we were gonna tag and trade Ford would you trade him straight up for Collins?
Nope.

The Chiefs are absolutely signing a top FA safety BTW, be it Thomas, Amos or Mathieu, etc.

[htismaqe]

Nope.

The Chiefs are absolutely signing a top FA safety BTW, be it Thomas, Amos or Mathieu, etc.

And keeping Ford? Good luck with that. They're going to have just enough cap space left to sign rookies after they get Ford, Houston, and Berry taken care of (or not).

[Rausch]

The Chiefs rarely sign big named FA's.

This is a myth.

They've overpaid for free agents for years. The fact is that a lot of free agents just didn't want to come here. The Chiefs weren't considered legitimate contenders for a SB even when they were winning the division or competitive.

Clark has proven he's willing to pay big $$$ to coaches and players when he believes they're top of the line guys.

[Sassy Squatch]

Yes. The only way Thomas isn't a Cowboy is if they egregiously try to take advantage of the fact he want to be there and low ball him so significantly he doesn't want to play there anymore.

[Rausch]

I honestly expected either Collins or Thomas to end up here. Clark/Veach have shown significant interest in both. Last year we had good enough players at CB but the approach and play calling were shit. With Berry out the talent and play at safety were piss poor.

[ChiefBlueCFC]

Landon Collins getting tagged is not surprising at all. And Earl Thomas to the packers wouldn't surprise me but they just traded away Ha Ha so it also makes me think that that isn't an accurate rumor but who knows.

[BigRedChief]

Terrrrrrrrible thread title.

The Earl Thomas bit isn't a "rumor" - it's a PFF projection from last week (which includes where the PFF writer thinks all key free agents will end up). Meaningless.Yeah come on dudes, these misleading and inaccurate thread titles are getting out of control.


If we want to take shit just thrown at the wall to see what sticks, we can go to the Chief fan Facebook pages.

[Chief Northman]

Veach is not interested in Earl Thomas long term. The reported deal in place for him last season and the subsequent compensation the Chiefs offered was reflective of him being in KC for just 2018.

We may never find out, but I bet the Chiefs will make another trade offer to the Giants for Collins. He’s Spagnuolo’s guy.

I predict Amos goes to Denver and Mathieu re-signs with Houston.

[bricks]

I had a feeling Collins would be tough to get because yeah Giants aren’t going to let him go that easily. Earl Thomas meh he is a 30 year old safety with probably a few good years left and past his prime. It doesn’t surprise me the competition for him will be steep with the Cowboys and Packers for sure.

**** it. Lets just draft a safety instead. Kiper has us taking Jonathan Abram in the first.

[dlphg9]

catch the blitz has 56 followers

I was gonna ask who the fuck they even were. It seems every year we have more and more "insiders" breaking "news".

[Dunerdr]

We were never getting either of these two “big names anyway”.

[JakeF]

We aren't signing Earl Thomas anyway. He is too old for a huge contract and we already have a lot of money tied up in that position. I imagine we draft a couple of safeties, probably 1 relatively high.

[mnchiefsguy]

Since when do the Packers sign big name Free Agents?

I agree that Dallas is most likely to land Thomas. I think the Chiefs could be in the mix if they decide they want to spend the cash, but I don't think that is a certainty.

[Buckweath]

I had a feeling Collins would be tough to get because yeah Giants aren’t going to let him go that easily. Earl Thomas meh he is a 30 year old safety with probably a few good years left and past his prime. It doesn’t surprise me the competition for him will be steep with the Cowboys and Packers for sure.

**** it. Lets just draft a safety instead. Kiper has us taking Jonathan Abram in the first.

Drafting a safety in the 1st round when there is such a quality crop of FA would be disgusting IMO.


This being said, I am confident Veach will sign a FA and not draft a safety before the 2nd round if even he drafts a safety that high.

[Simply Red]

I have a feeling Honey Badger will sign here

Hmm

[Chris Meck]

Drafting a safety in the 1st round when there is such a quality crop of FA would be disgusting IMO.


This being said, I am confident Veach will sign a FA and not draft a safety before the 2nd round if even he drafts a safety that high.

Having a top safety talent on a rookie contract for five years would be dithguthting?

[Chris Meck]

I'd really like Landon Collins. He's young, he's excellent, he can play either Safety position. All the others top tier FA's? Ehhh. They're either specifically 'box' safeties or FS specifically OR they're a little long in the tooth for the long term deals they're probably seeking. We need to upgrade talent, but we don't want to screw ourselves.

[TEX]

I have a feeling Honey Badger will sign here

He's not that good. That's why the Texans may not re-sign him. Dude can't cover over the top to save his life.

[TEX]

I'd really like Landon Collins. He's young, he's excellent, he can play either Safety position. All the others top tier FA's? Ehhh. They're either specifically 'box' safeties or FS specifically OR they're a little long in the tooth for the long term deals they're probably seeking. We need to upgrade talent, but we don't want to screw ourselves.

This.

[Baby Lee]

Not even PFT - it’s PFF lol

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[ModSocks]

He's not that good. That's why the Texans may not re-sign him. Dude can't cover over the top to save his life.

This.

Just say no to an under-sized, often injured player who's reputation is better than his game.

[O.city]

I'd really like Landon Collins. He's young, he's excellent, he can play either Safety position. All the others top tier FA's? Ehhh. They're either specifically 'box' safeties or FS specifically OR they're a little long in the tooth for the long term deals they're probably seeking. We need to upgrade talent, but we don't want to screw ourselves.

It sucks because we've missed 2 years of his prime here I suppose, but I feel like Collins is a little Berry like. Sure, that's great to have obviously, but give me an elite deep FS that can generate turnovers and play sideline to sideline.

AKA Earl Thomas.

[TambaBerry]

This.

Just say no to an under-sized, often injured player who's reputation is better than his game.

often injured? He has played the last two seasons in full

[htismaqe]

Having a top safety talent on a rookie contract for five years would be dithguthting?

And keeping Dee Ford is a "no brainer". :shake:

[TEX]

often injured? He has played the last two seasons in full

That's not really accurate. He gets nicked up a LOT. He's not big at all (They list him at 5' 9" 185 lbs, and I seriously doubt he's even that big) and it's a factor, and once he gets banged up, it really affects his play. This season for example, he played a lot but was dealing with nagging injuries, and his game went downhill. The Colts totally exposed him. He was targeted repeatedly - the Texans knew it, but they still couldn't prevent it. He's ok on the underneath stuff, but anything deep, dude is TOAST.

[Buckweath]

Having a top safety talent on a rookie contract for five years would be dithguthting?

In the Chiefs situation, yeah.

You can sign a good FA safety and have a corps of that FA safety, Berry, Watts, Lucas, maybe a mid-round pick safety, etc. You can have potentially a great safety group for the next few years this way without having to spend a 1st round pick on the position.

The Chiefs need CBs big time and there is nothing like the safeties there on the FA market. They also need to get an additional LB (through the draft) with the disastrous season that Hitchens has just had and in general a somewhat underwhelming group at that position.

I really wouldn't like a 1st round pick at the safety position when looking globally at this team and the FA market.

[Buckweath]

And keeping Dee Ford is a "no brainer". :shake:

Dee Ford on the tag indeed is a no brainer.

You know he has had many injuries before but he just had a stellar season and those passrushers are so valuable.

[htismaqe]

In the Chiefs situation, yeah.

You can sign a good FA safety and have a corps of that FA safety, Berry, Watts, Lucas, maybe a mid-round pick safety, etc. You can have potentially a great safety group for the next few years this way without having to spend a 1st round pick on the position.

The Chiefs need CBs big time and there is nothing like the safeties there on the FA market. They also need to get an additional LB (through the draft) with the disastrous season that Hitchens has just had and in general a somewhat underwhelming group at that position.

I really wouldn't like a 1st round pick at the safety position when looking globally at this team and the FA market.

Who is your target in FA that is really a difference maker? Thomas isn't coming here and neither is Collins. Amos is going to get paid way more than he's worth.

[htismaqe]

Dee Ford on the tag indeed is a no brainer.

You know he has had many injuries before but he just had a stellar season and those passrushers are so valuable.

Good luck signing your FA safety with $17M tied up in Dee Ford.

[O.city]

Good luck signing your FA safety with $17M tied up in Dee Ford.

They'll cut Houston to keep Ford.

[TEX]

They'll cut Houston to keep Ford.

I think you're right.

[htismaqe]

They'll cut Houston to keep Ford.

And Eric Berry?

[TEX]

And Eric Berry?

DON'T SAY THAT NAME!!!




(The Hobo Spirit is strong with him. Unfortunately, he'll be here.)

[htismaqe]

ROFL

Sorry, it had to be done.

People are acting like he's no longer on the team when in reality, he is.

[O.city]

Yeah, EB isn't going anywhere.

[Buckweath]

Good luck signing your FA safety with $17M tied up in Dee Ford.

I think the tag will be around $15M.

Houston will take a pay cut or be cut.

Sorensen can be cut.

[O.city]

They can clear up and find money if they want. That's not a problem.

They need to push the chips in wisely. Not go crazy with it, but they've got 2 years to get a Sb.

[htismaqe]

I think the tag will be around $15M.

Houston will take a pay cut or be cut.

Sorensen can be cut.

He could easily file, and win, a grievance that he's a DE now that the Chiefs have made it publicly known they're moving to a 4-3.

[htismaqe]

They can clear up and find money if they want. That's not a problem.

They need to push the chips in wisely. Not go crazy with it, but they've got 2 years to get a Sb.

If they want. The wise thing to do would be to cut Eric Berry. They won't.

[TEX]

If they want. The wise thing to do would be to cut Eric Berry. They won't.

You so nailed this one in every way.

[bigjosh]

If they want. The wise thing to do would be to cut Eric Berry. They won't.



If he cant pass a physical by next month it would cost more to cut him than keep him.

[Chief Northman]

He could easily file, and win, a grievance that he's a DE now that the Chiefs have made it publicly known they're moving to a 4-3.

Nope.

Based on last year’s snaps. 3-4 OLB.

[htismaqe]

If he cant pass a physical by next month it would cost more to cut him than keep him.

He was cleared to play at the end of the season. The only way he fails a physical is if he has surgery before then, which so far he hasn't done according to reports.

[TribalElder]

Was hoping Earl Thomas would land in KC

[htismaqe]

Was hoping Earl Thomas would land in KC

At the trade deadline LAST YEAR.

That ship has sailed my friend.

[Sassy Squatch]

Was hoping Earl Thomas would land in KC
If only his leg didn't break like a KitKat bar.

[JakeF]

Speaking of Eric Berry, why hasn't he had surgery yet?

[Sassy Squatch]

Speaking of Eric Berry, why hasn't he had surgery yet?
Because you fiddle with your diddle at night.

[saphojunkie]

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[saphojunkie]

They'll cut Houston to keep Ford.

Maybe. I think that's a mistake, though.

[Bump]

Drafting a safety in the 1st round when there is such a quality crop of FA would be disgusting IMO.


This being said, I am confident Veach will sign a FA and not draft a safety before the 2nd round if even he drafts a safety that high.

not if that safety turned out to be good lol, it would be the opposite of disgusting.

[JakeF]

Because you fiddle with your diddle at night.
If that's the case then Berry might as well retire. :p

[JakeF]

They'll cut Houston to keep Ford.
Houston is better than Ford even with his bum knee.

[O.city]

As I said in another thread, I think Houston is better against the rush and such.

He's not on Fords level rushing the passer anymore I don't think.

He's just not worth 21 mil this year. It doesn't mean he's not still really good.

[New World Order]

Sounds like Spags favors Ford over Houston

Trust in Spags.

[htismaqe]

As I said in another thread, I think Houston is better against the rush and such.

He's not on Fords level rushing the passer anymore I don't think.

He's just not worth 21 mil this year. It doesn't mean he's not still really good.

Just for the sake of argument, here is the November-December stats for Ford and Houston. It's not night and day difference. They were both good down the stretch and into the playoffs.

Ford - 10 sacks (4 against Seattle), 9 TFL, 3 FF, plus 1 sack and 1 FF against Colts in playoffs

Houston - 6 sacks (didn't play first two weeks of November), 4 TFL, 3 FF, plus 2 sacks against Colts in playoffs.

[SAUTO]

He could easily file, and win, a grievance that he's a DE now that the Chiefs have made it publicly known they're moving to a 4-3.

But he's never played that position.

[Chief Roundup]

They'll cut Houston to keep Ford.

I just don't know if that $4M dollars difference is big enough to make me keep the lesser talent.

[Chief Roundup]

I think the tag will be around $15M.

Houston will take a pay cut or be cut.

Sorensen can be cut.

There have been a few of the talking heads that say it will be close to $17M. Which makes sense since last year there were 2 players with the same position that were over $17M each and it is based off of the average of the top 5 players at that position.

[Chief Roundup]

He could easily file, and win, a grievance that he's a DE now that the Chiefs have made it publicly known they're moving to a 4-3.

I don't see how he could win that since the tag is based off of last years salaries.

[SAUTO]

I don't see how he could win that since the tag is based off of last years salaries.

Last year's SNAPS position

[htismaqe]

There have been a few of the talking heads that say it will be close to $17M. Which makes sense since last year there were 2 players with the same position that were over $17M each and it is based off of the average of the top 5 players at that position.

It's even more if they slap the exclusive rights tag on him (since they want to keep him).

[Chief Roundup]

Last year's SNAPS position

I thought that he would probably be listed as Edge Rusher to basically cover the 3-4 OLB and the 4-3 DE/Leo. Now that I know that Ford dropped into coverage at least 6 times a game last year listing him as an Edge Rusher might not be the accurate position designation.

[Chief Roundup]

It's even more if they slap the exclusive rights tag on him (since they want to keep him).

If they wanted to keep him they could get him now long term without breaking the bank. Ford is excited to be getting the franchise tag. He would sign a deal that we could get out of and he would carry a significantly lower cap number than what the tag is going to cost.
They want him to "prove it" again. I am not sure that he can with the change of scheme, position, etc. If Ford does I hope they do a tag and trade next off season.

[Iconic]

I'm really not a fan of Collins. I hope they do tag him and keep him. From what I've heard he was consistently getting burned in NY. Dudes a glorified box safety and that's not worth 12m per lol. You can get that from later rounds in the draft.

[ILChief]

I want the honey badger or Adrian Amos

[carcosa]

Shit!!!! fuck

[chiefforlife]

Landon Collins DB, New York Giants
Colts beat writers expect the team to have interest in impending free agent S Landon Collins.

Three Colts beat writers -- George Bremer, Mike Chappell, and Joel Erickson -- all tweeted virtually the same thing within minutes Wednesday afternoon after ESPN's Josina Anderson reported Collins cleaned out his locker at Giants headquarters and said goodbyes to other members of the organization. The safety position is extremely important in Colts DC Matt Eberflus' defense, and Colins is a top talent and just turned 25. The question is whether the Giants use the franchise tag on Collins to keep him from reaching the open market.
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Source: George Bremer on Twitter
Feb 20, 2019, 12:42 PM

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Collins is gone

[chiefforlife]

Collins is gone

While not great news for the Chiefs, if they can part ways with Berry and use that money on Collins, I'd say we have a chance. We also have Spags on our side.

[BigRedChief]

While not great news for the Chiefs, if they can part ways with Berry and use that money on Collins, I'd say we have a chance. We also have Spags on our side.explain yourself. Collins forcing the issue definitely helps us because he’s not staying with the Giants, no matter what.

[RollChiefsRoll]

Oh man Landon Collins is a thumper. Would love to go get that dude.

[Pitt Gorilla]

If we didn't have Berry's albatross of a contract, we could do some work. He needs to retire yesterday.

[ModSocks]

Collins is gone

From the Giants? Yeah i hope so.

[htismaqe]

If we didn't have Berry's albatross of a contract, we could do some work. He needs to retire yesterday.

As long as they can designate him as a June 1st retirement. Otherwise, they should cut him or he can retire after June 1st.

[chiefforlife]

explain yourself. Collins forcing the issue definitely helps us because he’s not staying with the Giants, no matter what.

What I meant by not great news for the Chiefs is that the Colts being in on Collins, with the cap space they have will make it tougher to land Landon.

[BigRedChief]

What I meant by not great news for the Chiefs is that the Colts being in on Collins, with the cap space they have will make it tougher to land Landon.okay. My point was the first step was to Collins not play ball. FU Giants, I’m outta here.

[DTVietnam]

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[Naptown Chief]

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Well, wouldn't that be nifty.

[Chris Meck]

PLEEEEEEESE GAWD

[Rausch]

or Cowboys:

all just rumors for now, but I dont see us grabbing any saftey help in FA

:)