No Surgery for Eric Berry

[O.city]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Talked with Andy Reid and he told me that Eric Berry isn’t having surgery this offseason.</p>&mdash; Brooke Pryor (@bepryor) <a href="https://twitter.com/bepryor/status/1100851928999882752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Thought this might deserve it's own thread.

[staylor26]

Does this mean we can cut him?

[Frosty]

Buh-bye

[kcxiv]

Does this mean we can cut him?

More then likely whats going to happen, no one wants a player who can play every 4th game if that! No one is going to sign him if he isnt playing every game.

[notorious]

Please tell me this is good news.


I have no idea when it comes to Berry.

[ptlyon]

And BOOM goes the CP server

[O.city]

I'd say that's pretty much gonna make it certain he's cut.

If rest didn't help it this year, I doubt it will over the offseason.

So see ya probably?

[Sure-Oz]

So is he getting cut?

[DJ's left nut]

I want him cut now!

Not tomorrow, not after breakfast - now!

[ghak99]

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[O.city]

Can you june 1st cut him now?

[ptlyon]

I want him cut now!

Not tomorrow, not after breakfast - now!

He'll think he was being fucked by a train!

[siberian khatru]

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[Pitt Gorilla]

Still don't understand his signing in the first place.

[Gravedigger]

One could argue we got more out of Dwayne Bowe's signing.

[TwistedChief]

Wait - I thought it was a known fact that he would have surgery regardless just so he could fuck us? I read it right here on CP.

[ChiTown]

fuck him...........

[staylor26]

How much extra cap room would we have cutting Berry as a June 1st?

[kysirsoze]

Wait - I thought it was a known fact that he would have surgery regardless just so he could fuck us? I read it right here on CP.

:bravo:

[TambaBerry]

How much extra cap room would we have cutting Berry as a June 1st?

9 million

[Sassy Squatch]

Cya

[O.city]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">At several points in his media session, Andy Reid made it clear he expects Eric Berry to return this summer healthy after learning surgery on his right heel isn’t necessary.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1100857018968141825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[SAUTO]

Gotta go

[Mecca]

Wow...so this is going to just continue forever.

[SAUTO]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">At several points in his media session, Andy Reid made it clear he expects Eric Berry to return this summer healthy after learning surgery on his right heel isn’t necessary.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1100857018968141825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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ROFL

[DJ's left nut]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">At several points in his media session, Andy Reid made it clear he expects Eric Berry to return this summer healthy after learning surgery on his right heel isn’t necessary.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1100857018968141825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[RunKC]

June 1st cut means $9.55 million created..but $6.95 million in dead money.

[siberian khatru]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">At several points in his media session, Andy Reid made it clear he expects Eric Berry to return this summer healthy after learning surgery on his right heel isn’t necessary.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1100857018968141825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Oh, good, let's start this shitshow all over again.

"He's day to day. He's making progress."

[staylor26]

Wtf? How’s he going to come back healthy with no surgery?

[Sassy Squatch]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">At several points in his media session, Andy Reid made it clear he expects Eric Berry to return this summer healthy after learning surgery on his right heel isn’t necessary.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1100857018968141825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Oh God why

[ptlyon]

Wtf? How’s he going to come back healthy with no surgery?

Feels

[Mecca]

Wtf? How’s he going to come back healthy with no surgery?

He's not...this sounds like more than anything he does not want any surgery involving his achillies.

[TwistedChief]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">At several points in his media session, Andy Reid made it clear he expects Eric Berry to return this summer healthy after learning surgery on his right heel isn’t necessary.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1100857018968141825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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This is great news! Looks like we can spend our first on a solid left guard or speedy WR instead of a safety since we have that position locked down.

He's coming back just to spite CP. Turns out he's been UChieffyBugger all this time!

[Clyde Frog]

How do you operate on the spirit?

[Baby Lee]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">At several points in his media session, Andy Reid made it clear he expects Eric Berry to return this summer healthy after learning surgery on his right heel isn’t necessary.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1100857018968141825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Mecca]

If this doesn't lead to him being cut this team is run by idiots.

He misses basically a whole year with this injury he refuses to have fixed. Why would you keep that?

[siberian khatru]

Wtf? How’s he going to come back healthy with no surgery?

Just needs more rest, dude.

[ntexascardfan]

My theory is that he knows the haglund surgery is severe enough it will require them to detach the achilles and re-attach it.

He knows that a second achilles surgery pretty much ends his career.

So, he's going to see how long he can milk it before getting chopped on.

[R Clark]

Damn just noway they could keep him ?not knowing when or if he’s ever going to feel like playing.

[DJ's left nut]

Just needs more rest, dude.

Just like Matt Cassell and Scott Pioli just needed more time, man...

[Sure-Oz]

@barleyhop: This is very large news. The Chiefs would have flexibility with his contract (no extra guaranteed for injury). https://twitter.com/bepryor/status/1100851928999882752

@barleyhop: @KCchemguy He has an injury guarantee in early/mid March that would require him to pass a physical to waive, per my understanding. By having the surgery, he wouldn't be able to pass the physical.

@Chief_Bearcat: If Eric Berry has surgery, he will for sure be a Chief next season, an additional 7.25 mil of his salary is guaranteed for injury on top of the already 2.95 mil that is fully guaranteed. The 7.25 becomes fully guaranteed on 3/15.

@barleyhop: @KCchemguy @Jurr25 That 7.25M is only guaranteed for injury. And if he hadn't had the surgery, they'd clear him if they wanted to -- they had him cleared for a while last year while he wasn't playing.

[Fish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">At several points in his media session, Andy Reid made it clear he expects Eric Berry to return this summer healthy after learning surgery on his right heel isn’t necessary.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1100857018968141825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Renegade]

I want him cut now!

Not tomorrow, not after breakfast - now!

Nice Shawshank reference Warden.

[wazu]

Curious where Berry's deal will end up ranking in the list of "Worst NFL deals of all time". Has to lead for the Safety position.

[kysirsoze]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">At several points in his media session, Andy Reid made it clear he expects Eric Berry to return this summer healthy after learning surgery on his right heel isn’t necessary.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1100857018968141825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Since cutting him relies in him being healthy, I'm not surprised at all that Reid's position is Berry is healthy. As far bringing him back, Reid would say something like this regardless of their plans. This quote is basically meaningless.

[Direckshun]

Has a team ever gotten less return on their investment for a $70m+ contract?

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

So after a whole season he just now found out he doesn’t need surgery. So he could’ve played the whole season. Fuck him. Literally fuck him!! Watts and Sorensen are our starting safeties unless Lucas gets re signed. Berry is a pussy

[Frazod]

How do you operate on the spirit?

Clark tried throwing shit tons of cash at it. That clearly didn't work.

[Reerun_KC]

I want him cut now!

Not tomorrow, not after breakfast - now!

No way man. Know a guy that recently bought a Berry Jersey from China. Said it’s his favorite player. We need guys like Berry if we’re going to Stop the Pats. He can shutdown Gronk.

[Direckshun]

Literally **** him!!

....you want to literally fuck him?

[kcclone]

Curious where Berry's deal will end up ranking in the list of "Worst NFL deals of all time". Has to lead for the Safety position.



It's unbelievable how bad we've been in the draft and at the deal table (defensively) in the last 5 years.

It's a good thing we found Mahomes, or it would be a 3-4 year total re-set ahead of us at this point.

[kcfanXIII]

Deliver his cut notice via horseback.

[FringeNC]

Will he be able to pass his early March physical? If so, is he cut? If not, how can we anticipate him being healthy in the summer?

[ModSocks]

So after a whole season he just now found out he doesn’t need surgery. So he could’ve played the whole season. Fuck him. Literally fuck him!! Watts and Sorensen are our starting safeties unless Lucas gets re signed. Berry is a pussy

I love how you guys just make shit up to get all bent up about, and then declare broke-dick-all-his-life Watts as the next starter.

LMAO

Essentially, you guys made up a narrative, it didn't happen, and now you're upset that said narrative didn't play out.

In the end, the Chiefs are in a BETTER position IF they decide to part ways, or we get a healthy Berry back. It's a win/win instead of a lose/lose.

The only thing that didn't happen here is CP's worst case scenario of, "Berry is trying to fuck us".

Welp, i guess Berry isn't just "trying to fuck us". Deal with it.

[KC Dan]

No way man. Know a guy that recently bought a Berry Jersey from China. Said it’s his favorite player. We need guys like Berry if we’re going to Stop the Pats. He can shutdown Gronk.
If he plays....

[ModSocks]

"Berry needs to have surgery!"

"If Berry has Surgery, he's forcing his way onto the roster and won't be healthy! He's gonna fuck us!"

"OMG Berry isn't having surgery? He won't be healthy! He's gonna fuck us!"

JFC my dudes. Get a grip.

[UChieffyBugger]

"AND THEN, THE BED WETTERS STARTED CRYING BECAUSE THE DOCTORS HAD THE NERVE TO TELL BERRY HE DOESN'T NEED SURGERY AND SHOULD BE FULLY HEALTHY AT THE START OF NEXT SEASON!!"

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[ModSocks]

And i blame you, DJLN, for laying out this lose/lose scenario that got the mongrels all stirred up with Berry Derangement Syndrome.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Getting the sense that he isn’t getting released personally. But I guess time will tell.

[ModSocks]

Getting the sense that he isn’t getting released personally. But I guess time will tell.

Maybe at some point people will start taking the Chiefs at face value instead of creating their own narratives.

If the Chiefs say they want him on the roster....idk...maybe they want him on the roster?

[Bowser]

I've given up figuring out what is up with Berry. Hopefully he's healthy and 110% ready to go, and I hope he plays like 2016 Berry in 2019. Preferably for us, if he's back at that level.

[Beef Supreme]

I'd say he's day to day.

[PAChiefsGuy]

"Berry needs to have surgery!"

"If Berry has Surgery, he's forcing his way onto the roster and won't be healthy! He's gonna **** us!"

"OMG Berry isn't having surgery? He won't be healthy! He's gonna **** us!"

JFC my dudes. Get a grip.

CP is full of emotional drama queens.

[poolboy]

Berry, I luv you man.....but we cant re run this......

[TambaBerry]

CP is full of emotional drama queens.

Detoxing is one of those

[UChieffyBugger]

A HEALTHY BERRY WOULD BE INCREDIBLE FOR US TO HAVE NEXT SEASON AND WOULD MAKE SPAGS JOB MUCH EASIER. BUT SADLY THE BED WETTERS WOULD RATHER BE "RIGHT" ABOUT THE LIES/FALLACIES THEY'VE SPEWED ABOUT ERIC THAN HAVE AN ALL-PRO SAFETY BACK IN OUR DEFENSE. IT'S SAD REALLY.

[BossChief]

Andy said after the playoff game that Berry would be back next year.

Hopefully, Berry is fully healed and can give us a couple all pro type seasons before he retires.

I’d much rather treat this like a business and cut him with a June 1st designation and sign a top tier safety that will give us impact for 2019 and 2020 and help us win a title with the 9.5m in cap space.

We could probably sign Collins to a LTD with a first year cap hit of 6m and use the other 3.5 paired with cutting Murray’s 2m and trade for a good corner, too.

I think keeping Berry is a mistake

[BossChief]

I love how you guys just make shit up to get all bent up about, and then declare broke-dick-all-his-life Watts as the next starter.

LMAO

Essentially, you guys made up a narrative, it didn't happen, and now you're upset that said narrative didn't play out.

In the end, the Chiefs are in a BETTER position IF they decide to part ways, or we get a healthy Berry back. It's a win/win instead of a lose/lose.

The only thing that didn't happen here is CP's worst case scenario of, "Berry is trying to fuck us".

Welp, i guess Berry isn't just "trying to fuck us". Deal with it.

Correct

[O.city]

Whats the infatuation with Landon Collins? Am I missing something there?

[Sassy Squatch]

Whats the infatuation with Landon Collins? Am I missing something there?
Don't think he's coming here now anyway. Don't need 2 box safeties. I'm right there with you, though. 1 great season 2 years ago is pretty much what he has going for him.

[BossChief]

Cut berry save 9.5m
Cut Murray save 2m
Sign Collins/Thomas 6-7m first year cap hit max
Trade for PP, Howard, Ramsey, Rhodes
Profit

[UChieffyBugger]

I'd also like to add that this news is hardly a surprise to me CONSIDERING HE WAS HEALTHY ENOUGH TO PLAY IN THREE GAMES towards the end of the season. I just think it was an issue that wasn't fully healed, but now he's got a few months to rest it fully the doctors found no issues with the heel and he's been told rest is the cure, simple. A fully fit Berry next season means IF we get the right additions we have a chance to have a real decent secondary and we should all be happy about this.

[BossChief]

Whats the infatuation with Landon Collins? Am I missing something there?

Coaches by Spags and Merritt. Knows system. Young. Good coverage grade on all advanced metrics sites.

[ntexascardfan]

I'd also like to add that this news is hardly a surprise to me CONSIDERING HE WAS HEALTHY ENOUGH TO PLAY IN THREE GAMES towards the end of the season. I just think it was an issue that wasn't fully healed, but now he's got a few months to rest it fully the doctors found no issues with the heel and he's been told rest is the cure, simple. A fully fit Berry next season means IF we get the right additions we have a chance to have a real decent secondary and we should all be happy about this.

You are much more of an optimist than I am.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Lol at any hope that Berry returns to being a really good player with or without surgery.

With it, it’s another injury rehab to set him back. Without it, it’s going to be the same old inflammation bullshit all over again next year. He’s done as a great player.

[Kiimo]

Oh, good, let's start this shitshow all over again.

"He's day to day. He's making progress."

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[DJ's left nut]

And i blame you, DJLN, for laying out this lose/lose scenario that got the mongrels all stirred up with Berry Derangement Syndrome.

I can live with that.

But there's still a scenario you're not accounting for in your 'win/win' calculus that is the most likely outcome.

That he doesn't get the surgery, we don't cut him and he's STILL not healthy because he has a !@#$ing deformity in his heel.

If he got the damn surgery we'd be stuck with him on the cap but there'd be a chance we'd get some reasonable facsimile of 'healthy Berry' on the roster at some point next season. Now he's opened up the possibility of us still not cutting him because...reasons...and we still don't get him back healthy at any point next season.

[KChiefs1]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">At several points in his media session, Andy Reid made it clear he expects Eric Berry to return this summer healthy after learning surgery on his right heel isn’t necessary.</p>— Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1100857018968141825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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No chance.

[TambaBerry]

Cutting berry post June 1st gives us his 9 million then not when free agency starts

[Bowser]

I'd also like to add that this news is hardly a surprise to me CONSIDERING HE WAS HEALTHY ENOUGH TO PLAY IN THREE GAMES towards the end of the season. I just think it was an issue that wasn't fully healed, but now he's got a few months to rest it fully the doctors found no issues with the heel and he's been told rest is the cure, simple. A fully fit Berry next season means IF we get the right additions we have a chance to have a real decent secondary and we should all be happy about this.

Eh, you are looking at this through some REALLY rose colored glasses there.

[FringeNC]

What are the odds it gets better without surgery? No nothing about the injury, but if that's very low, Berry is going to retire and as part of the settlement we aren't going to cut him until he gets his roster bonus. Really the key thing here is how often does this injury get better without surgery. If we don't know the answer to that, we have no idea what's going on.

[DJ's left nut]

Lol at any hope that Berry returns to being a really good player with or without surgery.

With it, it’s another injury rehab to set him back. Without it, it’s going to be the same old inflammation bullshit all over again next year. He’s done as a great player.

If he gets the surgery and comes back as a physically diminished but still extremely smart, aggressive player, then he's still an asset. An overpaid asset but an asset nonetheless. He'd essentially be what Houston was last season - a guy who's getting paid more than what he's worth but can still help the team win games.

I could live with that. My preference would've been to release him outright (an option that is now seemingly available to us), but as a plan B, a reasonably healthy if somewhat diminished EB for the second half of the season and playoffs is tolerable.

But it sure looks to me like the Chiefs are electing to go with what's behind door #3 - pay Berry and pray for a miracle. That's not the best roster/cap management, IMO...

[UChieffyBugger]

Lol at any hope that Berry returns to being a really good player with or without surgery.

With it, it’s another injury rehab to set him back. Without it, it’s going to be the same old inflammation bullshit all over again next year. He’s done as a great player.

He had no pre-season training/games before he played against the Chargers. When you couple that with the injury niggle he was dealing with he was never gonna be the same Berry and I doubt any player would be their normal self in those circumstances. Give him the offseason to get ready and no injury setbacks and I believe he will be back to his best.

[UChieffyBugger]

Eh, you are looking at this through some REALLY rose colored glasses there.

I can only go with the facts. Eric played three games towards the end of the season so clearly his injury wasn't that severe. Now he's apparently been told he doesn't need surgery and Reid said he expects Berry back fully healthy next season. Why not be optimistic about this? Why do we have to spew doom and gloom and be sceptical all the time?

[KChiefs1]

I'd also like to add that this news is hardly a surprise to me CONSIDERING HE WAS HEALTHY ENOUGH TO PLAY IN THREE GAMES towards the end of the season. I just think it was an issue that wasn't fully healed, but now he's got a few months to rest it fully the doctors found no issues with the heel and he's been told rest is the cure, simple. A fully fit Berry next season means IF we get the right additions we have a chance to have a real decent secondary and we should all be happy about this.



Over/Under he plays 10 games next season with the Chiefs.

[O.city]

If he gets the surgery and comes back as a physically diminished but still extremely smart, aggressive player, then he's still an asset. An overpaid asset but an asset nonetheless. He'd essentially be what Houston was last season - a guy who's getting paid more than what he's worth but can still help the team win games.

I could live with that. My preference would've been to release him outright (an option that is now seemingly available to us), but as a plan B, a reasonably healthy if somewhat diminished EB for the second half of the season and playoffs is tolerable.

But it sure looks to me like the Chiefs are electing to go with what's behind door #3 - pay Berry and pray for a miracle. That's not the best roster/cap management, IMO...

Ideally, he's healthy and ready to go all year with no surgery.

I can't see how that's gonna be possible though.

[Shaid]

Gotta cut him

[DJ's left nut]

What are the odds it gets better without surgery? No nothing about the injury, but if that's very low, Berry is going to retire and as part of the settlement we aren't going to cut him until he gets his roster bonus. Really the key thing here is how often does this injury get better without surgery. If we don't know the answer to that, we have no idea what's going on.

It's not a roster bonus, it's guaranteed salary.

If they don't want to pay him that, they can just cut him outright. Retire, don't retire - whatever, we can cut him and be clean.

I guess what they could do is come to a handshake agreement with him whereby he stays on the roster past 3/15 and that salary is guaranteed. Then they pay that salary in exchange for him 'returning' part of his signing bonus. When a player retires, the team can get a cap credit for any signing bonus money they are able to recover. So if by keeping him on the roster past 3/15 they guarantee him $7 million in salary but he agrees to return $5 million in bonus, they'd come out ahead a couple million.

But even that's a little beyond my knowledge base because I'm not entirely sure how the guaranteed salary works if he voluntarily retires. Nor am I exactly sure how the 'returned' bonus is applied to the cap (is it applied in the present league year? Pro-rated against the amount of accelerated bonus based on how that bonus is placed on the cap?). It's unnecessarily complicated, IMO.

Does anyone else get a 'Berry has gotten turned on to eastern medicine' vibe from the guy? I feel like he's out there doing some sort of alternative medicine shit and may truly think he's gonna get healthy now without surgery. If so, just move on. The team cannot dick around with this for another year.

[O.city]

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[DJ's left nut]

Over/Under he plays 10 games next season with the Chiefs.

Under.

You'd have to get that down to 7.5 for me to reasonably consider taking the over and even then, I'd probably take the under. At 7 I'd play the over and expect a push.

I just do not see how he it was impossible for him to play through a structure in his foot that was causing him agonizing pain last season. If he wast truly unable to handle the discomfort, then what's likely to change? It's not inflammation, it's a bone formation. It's not just going to stop hurting if he doesn't take some remedial action.

Drinking green tea, meditating and sticking needles in his scalp ain't gonna get it done...

[pugsnotdrugs19]

He had no pre-season training/games before he played against the Chargers. When you couple that with the injury ****le he was dealing with he was never gonna be the same Berry and I doubt any player would be their normal self in those circumstances. Give him the offseason to get ready and no injury setbacks and I believe he will be back to his best.

He was essentially fine last offseason. He started training camp as a full participant.

[UChieffyBugger]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs safety Eric Berry went to Dr. Bob Anderson for a second opinion on his injured heel, and he felt surgery wasn’t necessary, per a source. Berry expects to participate in all off season activities.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1100870432855650306?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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The bed wetters won't listen though, they'll just continue to kick their "he's done" notion down the road and remain in denial because "they know more about these things than the Doctors".

[BossChief]

Cutting berry post June 1st gives us his 9 million then not when free agency starts

That just means you makepart of the signing bonus a roster bonus for June 1st.

[Kiimo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs safety Eric Berry went to Dr. Bob Anderson for a second opinion on his injured heel, and he felt surgery wasn’t necessary, per a source. Berry expects to participate in all off season activities.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1100870432855650306?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[threebag]

So will we sign Eric Parker 29 for the playoffs next year?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

The bed wetters won't listen though, they'll just continue to kick their "he's done" notion down the road and remain in denial because "they know more about these things than the Doctors".

He can be as healthy as he wants right now, but that heel is gonna flame up come July. It’s a formality.

[FloridaMan88]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs safety Eric Berry went to Dr. Bob Anderson for a second opinion on his injured heel, and he felt surgery wasn’t necessary, per a source. Berry expects to participate in all off season activities.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1100870432855650306?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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ROFL so if surgery isn't necessary then what is Eric Berry going to do between now and April when OTA's begin to be healthy and available to participate in all off season activities?

Simple rest/recovery obviously wasn't enough when Berry sat out from August to December this past season... is that the plan again?

Time to Post-June 1st cut him.

[UChieffyBugger]

He was essentially fine last offseason. He started training camp as a full participant.

He just came off a major injury though. This year will be different as he's not having any surgery and was healthy enough to participate in FULL practice all week before playing against the Pats. I expect to see a much better Berry after this offseason rest, a full training camp and some pre-season games. That will be the time to judge him, not now.

[ptlyon]

Interesting side note - Dr. Bob Anderson is the doctor on the Simpsons

[Frazod]

I want him gone. Between the endless day-to-day/week-to-week/month-to-month shit, his "spirit" issues, or just the idea of rolling the dice betting that his post-cancer body will miraculously start to hold up when everything we've seen says it won't, I absolutely never want to see him wearing a Chiefs uniform again.

Don't go away mad, just..... go away.

[TribalElder]

Will we trade him if he is ok?

Not having the surgery seems like he will be ready to play but maybe not in KC?

[Kiimo]

Will we trade him if he is ok?

Not having the surgery seems like he will be ready to play but maybe not in KC?


Great idea! To whom??

[threebag]

Maybe he should just retire and take his “pump bump” and soak it in cider

[Eleazar]

The bed wetters won't listen though, they'll just continue to kick their "he's done" notion down the road and remain in denial because "they know more about these things than the Doctors".

After a whole season of day-to-day last year with the heel never improving, do you really believe a few months of rest this offseason is all that he needs? He already rested it for 4 months during the season, so... rest it for 4 more, and it'll be right as rain?

He hasn't made a meaningful play since 2016... it's probably time to see the writing on the wall.

[FloridaMan88]

He just came off a major injury though. This year will be different as he's not having any surgery and was healthy enough to participate in FULL practice all week before playing against the Pats. I expect to see a much better Berry after this offseason rest, a full training camp and some pre-season games. That will be the time to judge him, not now.

The injury that affected Eric Berry this past season was not directly related to the 2017 Achilles injury... it was his heel in the other foot.

[Bowser]

I can only go with the facts. Eric played three games towards the end of the season so clearly his injury wasn't that severe. Now he's apparently been told he doesn't need surgery and Reid said he expects Berry back fully healthy next season. Why not be optimistic about this? Why do we have to spew doom and gloom and be sceptical all the time?

No. He played IN three games towards the end of the year, one game of that for like two or three plays max. He still missed an entire playoff game in between, and looked like a 50 year old Eric Berry in the other. Big difference.

But, if the docs and Berry himself thinks he can go and be who he was, that doesn't hurt us in any way. Hope they're right.

[Chiefspants]

Berry needs to restructure if he's going to stay. Absolute necessity at this point.

[Bwana]

Berry is like the herp.

[srvy]

Wtf? How’s he going to come back healthy with no surgery?

Spirit

[Eleazar]

Berry is like the herp.

He's constantly cokblocking Billay?

[TribalElder]

Great idea! To whom??
Is Pioli still in Atlanta???

[UChieffyBugger]

After a whole season of day-to-day last year with the heel never improving, do you really believe a few months of rest this offseason is all that he needs? He already rested it for 4 months during the season, so... rest it for 4 more, and it'll be right as rain?

He hasn't made a meaningful play since 2016... it's probably time to see the writing on the wall.

Are you saying we should NOT believe the DOCTORS?

[UChieffyBugger]

No. He played IN three games towards the end of the year, one game of that for like two or three plays max. He still missed an entire playoff game in between, and looked like a 50 year old Eric Berry in the other. Big difference.

But, if the docs and Berry himself thinks he can go and be who he was, that doesn't hurt us in any way. Hope they're right.

He hadn't played for over a year and missed most of pre-season training. He was never gonna be back to his best or back to full fitness In the last few weeks of the season.

[Chief Pagan]

Has a team ever gotten less return on their investment for a $70m+ contract?

I would rather give a big contract to a player already on the team who played at a high level and have the contract be a bust because of injuries. Berry and Houston fit that description.

As opposed to a player who got paid and quit (I'm looking at you Bowe) or a player who got a big contract and never performed before or after (Tyson Jackson comes to mind although the rookie cap is different now).

I'm nervous about tying up a big cap hit into Hill. But I would rather pay Hill big bucks and see him go down with an injury than sign some high priced free agent that goes down. As far as the team going forward, it wouldn't make any difference. But Hill is currently grossly underpaid, so I would rather see dead money go to a player that helped KC out than a free agent.

[loochy]

Are you saying we should NOT believe the DOCTORS?

Please link direct quote from doctors.

[UChieffyBugger]

The injury that affected Eric Berry this past season was not directly related to the 2017 Achilles injury... it was his heel in the other foot.

Yes but he was still coming off a major injury, this year he won't be.

[threebag]

At least when Gronk clowns him again next year, 29 can always get up and fake limp to the sideline.

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[UChieffyBugger]

Please link direct quote from doctors.

Go and ask Terez Paylor, he just said what the doctors apparently told Berry.

[DJ's left nut]

I would rather give a big contract to a player already on the team who played at a high level and have the contract be a bust because of injuries. Berry and Houston fit that description.

As opposed to a player who got paid and quit (I'm looking at you Bowe) or a player who got a big contract and never performed before or after (Tyson Jackson comes to mind although the rookie cap is different now).

I'm nervous about tying up a big cap hit into Hill. But I would rather pay Hill big bucks and see him go down with an injury than sign some high priced free agent that goes down. As far as the team going forward, it doesn't make any difference. But Hill is grossly underpaid, so I would rather see dead money go to a player that helped KC out than a free agent.

Sure.

But now there's a way to not have to do any of that crap. Now there's a way to acknowledge the sunk costs of Berry's ill-conceived extension and mitigate the remainder of the damage it can do.

It's time to pull the chute on EB.

[FloridaMan88]

Yes but he was still coming off a major injury, this year he won't be.

So an injury that kept Eric Berry out from August until December, and forced him to miss a playoff game is not your definition of a "major injury"?

[ChiefBlueCFC]

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[MahiMike]

I want him cut now!

Not tomorrow, not after breakfast - now!

Cut him like a fish!

[threebag]

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[loochy]

Go and ask Terez Paylor, he just said what the doctors apparently told Berry.<br />
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That's second hand info at best. The doctor could have said "sure, you can play but without the surgery you'll miss 2 out of every 3 games due to extreme pain for the rest of your career" or the doctor could have said "you will absolutely make a 100% recovery by the start of the season." There's a big difference there and we don't know which way it leans.

[OKchiefs]

I love how you guys just make shit up to get all bent up about, and then declare broke-dick-all-his-life Watts as the next starter.

LMAO

Essentially, you guys made up a narrative, it didn't happen, and now you're upset that said narrative didn't play out.

In the end, the Chiefs are in a BETTER position IF they decide to part ways, or we get a healthy Berry back. It's a win/win instead of a lose/lose.

The only thing that didn't happen here is CP's worst case scenario of, "Berry is trying to **** us".

Welp, i guess Berry isn't just "trying to **** us". Deal with it.

You left out the real possibility that we decide to keep Berry and his heal continues to bother him next year.

[Hammock Parties]

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[Beef Supreme]

You left out the real possibility that we decide to keep Berry and his heal continues to bother him next year.

His heal?

[T-post Tom]

This may be good if EB can pass a physical in March... then Chiefs can cut him & not be on the hook for 2019 salary. Still dead money, but it is time to move on. (IF Chiefs keep him, I hope he comes back in all-pro form. Skeptical, but hoping FO nails this either way.)

[OKchiefs]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs safety Eric Berry went to Dr. Bob Anderson for a second opinion on his injured heel, and he felt surgery wasn’t necessary, per a source. Berry expects to participate in all off season activities.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1100870432855650306?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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That'll be a first. Motherfucker has made a career of missing the entire offseason.

[OKchiefs]

He just came off a major injury though. This year will be different as he's not having any surgery and was healthy enough to participate in FULL practice all week before playing against the Pats. I expect to see a much better Berry after this offseason rest, a full training camp and some pre-season games. That will be the time to judge him, not now.

$16 million is too much to play the what if game. The fucker needs to be gone yesterday.

[St. Patty's Fire]

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LMAO this was my literal, actual reaction to seeing the title

[htismaqe]

Really looking forward to spending all offseason bitching about Eric Berry. Already put a damper on an amazing season and here we go again.

[The Franchise]

Rip the bandaid off. June 1st cut and end this bullshit.

[Skyy God]

Fuck. Yes.

[WhiteWhale]

Fix it or retire.

I'm a big fan of Berry, but what he did this season amounted to stealing money.

[T-post Tom]

Really looking forward to spending all offseason bitching about Eric Berry. Already put a damper on an amazing season and here we go again.

And by most accounts, it appears we'll still have Ford lined up offsides on critical post-season plays. :)

[ThaVirus]

Still don't understand his signing in the first place.

I don't think it's wise to sink so much into an injury prone player regardless, but he really earned that contract based on his play in 2016. I'm not sure I've seen such a tangible effect from a safety as he had that year.

[SAUTO]

Whats the infatuation with Landon Collins? Am I missing something there?

he's pre-surgery eric berry.

[dirk digler]

He was essentially fine last offseason. He started training camp as a full participant.

Yep so I don't understand why anyone would have any hope that he will stay healthy this season.

He is one of my favorite players but it is time to let him go.

[St. Patty's Fire]

Whats the infatuation with Landon Collins? Am I missing something there?

Um, he’s an extremely good defensive player who could be available for nothing but money and the Chiefs desperately need defensive talent?

[DJ's left nut]

Um, he’s an extremely good defensive player who could be available for nothing but money and the Chiefs desperately need defensive talent?

And he's a FA who's at a good age to be incorporated into the core of this team for the duration of the rest of that core's prime (Non-Mahomes Division).

You don't see those come around as often as you'd like.

Which is why I still get the impression that you won't and that the Giants will tag him.

[poolboy]

but his pregame speeches are legendary

[jallmon]

His heal?

Hopefully his heal gets heeled by summer...:)

[htismaqe]

Fix it or retire.

I'm a big fan of Berry, but what he did this season amounted to stealing money.

Yep.

[O.city]

I'm just kinda eric Berry talked out at this point.

I'm gonna assume the worst and just go from there.

[htismaqe]

I'm just kinda eric Berry talked out at this point.

I'm gonna assume the worst and just go from there.

If only everybody here felt the same. :shake:

[Sassy Squatch]

I'm just kinda eric Berry talked out at this point.

I'm gonna assume the worst and just go from there.
Yarp. I think he should've just got the surgery the day after we lost the AFCCG and left it at that, but he doesn't seem too keen on it and I don't blame him there. John Wall situation certainly couldn't have helped matters.

[O.city]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">March 13, 3 PM CT to March 15th is the definitive span for Berry&#39;s future. He can&#39;t be cut with the June 1st designation until the 13th at 3 PM and and additional 7.25 mil becomes guaranteed on 3/15. So if he isnt cut the afternoon of the 13th or the on the 14th, he is here.</p>&mdash; ChiefBearcat (@Chief_Bearcat) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chief_Bearcat/status/1100888868029644807?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[RealSNR]

When Mahomes eventually wins us a Super Bowl, I don’t want Berry to be on the team. He deserves no part of getting a ring

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

When Mahomes eventually wins us a Super Bowl, I don’t want Berry to be on the team. He deserves no part of getting a ring

We'll be to the SB this year and Berry's going to be healthy and have a great year.

[TribalElder]

Maybe Berrys problem was bob sutton

[WhiteWhale]

Yep.

I've never seen a player do this.

Nobody just eats up a roster spot ALL SEASON while not practicing and not playing.

I'd assume he's not a fan of his options, but they are what they are. Play with pain, get the surgery, or retire. You can't just ride a roster spot all season and not ****ing play. I don't know how you measure goodwill, but from me he had about 100,000 of those units. He spent them all this season.

VERY disappointed.

[Skyy God]

Time to fly a banner at the Combine??

[Skyy God]

We'll be to the SB this year and Berry's going to be healthy and have a great year.

Ok, Pollyanna.

[Demonpenz]

I think Berry wants to play a farewell tour but he either gets cut or gets hurt or sucks too much to keep on the field

[farmerchief]

After last season, and now He is Indictating he doesn't need surgery? I would not feel confident Berry could help the Chiefs win the games they need, and I wouldn't bet on him playing the whole season. IMO, if there is some team that values Berry enough to give up a draft pick, I'd trade him. Otherwise I would cut him at that time when it would most benefit the Chiefs. I would move on from him and select other safeties either in free agency or the draft. Probably a good thing Im not GM of the Chiefs, as it's a business, and I don't feel he's a good investment for the future achievements of this franchise.

[Skyy God]

After last season, and now He is Indictating he doesn't need surgery? I would not feel confident Berry could help the Chiefs win the games they need, and I wouldn't bet on him playing the whole season. IMO, if there is some team that values Berry enough to give up a draft pick, I'd trade him. Otherwise I would cut him at that time when it would most benefit the Chiefs. I would move on from him and select other safeties either in free agency or the draft. Probably a good thing Im not GM of the Chiefs, as it's a business, and I don't feel he's a good investment for the future achievements of this franchise.

No teams are trading for EB.

[RollChiefsRoll]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs safety Eric Berry went to Dr. Bob Anderson for a second opinion on his injured heel, and he felt surgery wasn’t necessary, per a source. Berry expects to participate in all off season activities.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1100870432855650306?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Our defense is getting fucked by yet another Bob!

[Skyy God]

Our defense is getting ****ed by yet another Bob!

Not having surgery is good for his ability to get cut, brah.

I think.

[RunKC]

If only everybody here felt the same. :shake:

Not gonna happen unfortunately. Posters on this board still to this day talk about Alex Smith on a consistent basis.

[BryanBusby]

Not having surgery is good for his ability to get cut, brah.

I think.
Yes, but I'm not convinced they will. At this point, even I'm done with this shit.

[In58men]

He’s more drama than Aldon Smith

[scho63]

Adios muchacho!

[scho63]

On a side note, the worst contract Dorsey ever laid upon the Chiefs by a mile. Didn't look horrific at the time but it's an abomination.

[threebag]

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[Frazod]

Not gonna happen unfortunately. Posters on this board still to this day talk about Alex Smith on a consistent basis.

Who?

[BossChief]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs safety Eric Berry went to Dr. Bob Anderson for a second opinion on his injured heel, and he felt surgery wasn’t necessary, per a source. Berry expects to participate in all off season activities.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1100870432855650306?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Interesting point everyone here is missing is that this was a second opinion.

I wonder what the team doctors suggested.

[Couch-Potato]

I'm so confused.

[tmax63]

So I'm reading that this helps with Berry passing his physical and the Chiefs can cut him and save 9+mil cap space. This could be a golden parachute for the Chiefs.

[ChiefsCountry]

Interesting point everyone here is missing is that this was a second opinion.

I wonder what the team doctors suggested.

Probably no surgery either. They sent him to one of the top sports doctors in the country.

[Mecca]

If they want to cut him they probably recommended no surgery.

[Buehler445]

Under.

You'd have to get that down to 7.5 for me to reasonably consider taking the over and even then, I'd probably take the under. At 7 I'd play the over and expect a push.

I just do not see how he it was impossible for him to play through a structure in his foot that was causing him agonizing pain last season. If he wast truly unable to handle the discomfort, then what's likely to change? It's not inflammation, it's a bone formation. It's not just going to stop hurting if he doesn't take some remedial action.

Drinking green tea, meditating and sticking needles in his scalp ain't gonna get it done...

Yeah. Just like all the other fucking hogshit with Berry this year, this just doesn't make sense. Either he can't play with it and he's fucking us next year, or he can play and fucked us last year. I don't really see another option. I guess he could have thought he could do it, feels bad about what happened and is giving the Chiefs an out... Maybe. Hopefully? What the fuck?

Yeah, makes no sense.



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">March 13, 3 PM CT to March 15th is the definitive span for Berry&#39;s future. He can&#39;t be cut with the June 1st designation until the 13th at 3 PM and and additional 7.25 mil becomes guaranteed on 3/15. So if he isnt cut the afternoon of the 13th or the on the 14th, he is here.</p>&mdash; ChiefBearcat (@Chief_Bearcat) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chief_Bearcat/status/1100888868029644807?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Well, at least we won't have to wait long.

[Flying High D]

The Spirit moves in mysterious ways.

[GloryDayz]

Berry things.


More like DingleBerry I suppose.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Shit, this is great news! Clears the way for the June 1st cut as it should be. And Andy can talk his yabba-dabba-doo, "healthy Berry" bullshit all day long; not one person with a brain is buying that.

The only reason this guy ISN'T "fucking us", is because he's scared to get that surgery, plain and simple. Ain't no mystery here, no sah! What good is all the money in the world if you can't jog or run w/o wondering if it will be your last? No man is going to risk that, certainly no athlete, professional or otherwise.

While I'm certainly no fan of relying on Dee Ford, I DO applaud Spags and the new defensive unit for yanking the push-broom out of the closet and making a nice, clean sweep of the softer elements on this defense.

Come on, sweet summer!

[1claire]

After injury-plagued 2018, Chiefs expect Eric Berry to be fully healthy next season without needing surgery.

I guess he just needs some time to rest, I just hope that this won't put his career in jeopardy.

[Iconic]

They would be stupid as **** to not cut him. This is the greatest news we've heard all off season.

[PAChiefsGuy]

It is nice to know we have so many message board certified doctors on CP. Next time Berry needs medical advice I'm sure his agent will advise him to come on here instead of going to see a doctor from a hospital.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Since cutting him relies in him being healthy, I'm not surprised at all that Reid's position is Berry is healthy. As far bringing him back, Reid would say something like this regardless of their plans. This quote is basically meaningless.

This is correct.

They would be stupid as **** to not cut him. This is the greatest news we've heard all off season.

It will be so. The days of Hobospirit29 and the Underpass Four are numbered in the 816.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I hope the remaining( and properly closeted )Alexsexuals cling to dingleBerry the way they clung to Alex as their hope for mediocrity and other assorted "feel good"-bullshit. Watching these people get smashed like a mosquito beneath a ball-peen hammer tickles my plums to NO end.

[New World Order]

The Spirit moves in mysterious ways.

LMAO

[Skyy God]

It is nice to know we have so many message board certified doctors on CP. Next time Berry needs medical advice I'm sure his agent will advise him to come on here instead of going to see a doctor from a hospital.

Sounds like someone’s jazzed for another season of EB being day to day.

[Skyy God]

On a side note, the worst contract Dorsey ever laid upon the Chiefs by a mile. Didn't look horrific at the time but it's an abomination.

The leaks from the FO were that Dorsey was fired (at least in part) because he let the Houston and Berry talks “simmer” while re-signing his guys. Both are going to be cut/traded this offseason.

Don’t throw this on Dorsey. CHunt wanted his inspirational ticket seller.

“The five-year, $41.25 million deal for guard Laurent Duvernay-Tardif in February. This deal came, like Fisher’s, in Duvernay-Tardif’s first offseason eligible for a second contract. Meanwhile, the Justin Houston and Eric Berry contract talks simmered—cap guru Trip MacCracken was let go last month—and the team has spent the past couple years perilously close to the salary cap.”

[TwistedChief]

Don’t throw this on Dorsey. CHunt wanted his inspirational ticket seller.


Come on. Aside from being NFL Comeback Player of the Year, he had been an All-Pro safety each of the prior two seasons. A little more than an inspirational ticket seller, no?

The article in The Athletic said the doctor's expectation was that the foot would 'mend' without surgery. Clearly he wasn't playing at 100pct last season and was in a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't situation which is evidenced by a lot of the comments here. Berry doesn't play? Lazy motherfucker. Berry plays at less than 100pct and it shows? Brokedick motherfucker. If he had gotten his hand up a split second earlier, he breaks up the pass to Gronk, we're in the Super Bowl, and the narrative changes.

I think we'll end up keeping Berry. I realize most of you don't subscribe to that sort of belief, but the Chiefs may find it risky to get rid of both Houston and him at the same time, the two guys who have been the vocal leaders of this defense. (And yes, I realize that this defense was historically bad and can only get better, but the Chiefs front office may feel blowing everything up in one offseason is too drastic.)

Not saying I agree or disagree with any of the above, but I suspect this is our reality.

[Skyy God]

Come on. Aside from being NFL Comeback Player of the Year, he had been an All-Pro safety each of the prior two seasons. A little more than an inspirational ticket seller, no?

The article in The Athletic said the doctor's expectation was that the foot would 'mend' without surgery. Clearly he wasn't playing at 100pct last season and was in a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't situation which is evidenced by a lot of the comments here. Berry doesn't play? Lazy mother****er. Berry plays at less than 100pct and it shows? Brokedick mother****er. If he had gotten his hand up a split second earlier, he breaks up the pass to Gronk, we're in the Super Bowl, and the narrative changes.

I think we'll end up keeping Berry. I realize most of you don't subscribe to that sort of belief, but the Chiefs may find it risky to get rid of both Houston and him at the same time, the two guys who have been the vocal leaders of this defense. (And yes, I realize that this defense was historically bad and can only get better, but the Chiefs front office may feel blowing everything up in one offseason is too drastic.)

Not saying I agree or disagree with any of the above, but I suspect this is our reality.

Your Berry bandwagon feeling a little lonely these days??

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

lol. If they're keeping Berry, they're not doing so for any meaningful contributions on the field.

That day is long past, and there is no risk whatsoever in cutting this player. It's far riskier to put him in situations of importance.

If they want to keep him to make speeches to the other players( which would be dumb as fuck because he's not actually playing as a team mate and helping to contribute ), and to take a lesser cap hit when cutting him next season, that's fine by me. Just keep his slow ass off the field.

[TwistedChief]

Your Berry bandwagon feeling a little lonely these days??

Yes, I thought Berry would contribute more if he came back last season. I also thought he would only come back if he were healthy. I'm just crestfallen and can hardly look myself in the mirror anymore as this has just consumed every ounce of my being.

[New World Order]

I'm just glad we will find out soon enough if he's cut.

I don't want this in limbo during the most important offseason in Chiefs history.

[New World Order]

Come on. Aside from being NFL Comeback Player of the Year, he had been an All-Pro safety each of the prior two seasons. A little more than an inspirational ticket seller, no?

The article in The Athletic said the doctor's expectation was that the foot would 'mend' without surgery. Clearly he wasn't playing at 100pct last season and was in a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't situation which is evidenced by a lot of the comments here. Berry doesn't play? Lazy mother****er. Berry plays at less than 100pct and it shows? Brokedick mother****er. If he had gotten his hand up a split second earlier, he breaks up the pass to Gronk, we're in the Super Bowl, and the narrative changes.

I think we'll end up keeping Berry. I realize most of you don't subscribe to that sort of belief, but the Chiefs may find it risky to get rid of both Houston and him at the same time, the two guys who have been the vocal leaders of this defense. (And yes, I realize that this defense was historically bad and can only get better, but the Chiefs front office may feel blowing everything up in one offseason is too drastic.)

Not saying I agree or disagree with any of the above, but I suspect this is our reality.

I mean, they probably weren't wrong.

[PAChiefsGuy]

I mean, they probably weren't wrong.

Berry isn't lazy. He beat cancer, came back not only played in the NFL but played at a Pro Bowl level. His work ethic is legendary even among professional athletes who are notorious for taking care of their bodies.

It is probably one of the reasons he still has the respect of his teammates. They see how hard he is working to get out there and play.

You guys act like he is sitting at home playing COD and drinking beer every day. **** outta here that bs.

[New World Order]

Berry isn't lazy. He beat cancer, came back not only played in the NFL but played at a Pro Bowl level. His work ethic is legendary even among professional athletes who are notorious for taking care of their bodies.

It is probably one of the reasons he still has the respect of his teammates. They see how hard he was working to get out there and play.

You guys act like he is sitting at home playing COD and drinking beer every day. **** outta here that bs.

I didn't mean lazy as in work ethic. It was more about not being on the field when he probably could have been on the field.

[-King-]

I didn't mean lazy as in work ethic. It was more about not being on the field when he probably could have been on the field.

ROFL And you know this how?

[New World Order]

ROFL And you know this how?

After sitting out for 4 months it's likely he could have played against Baltimore on Sunday if he was ready to play against LA Chargers a few days later on Thursday

[GloryDayz]

It is nice to know we have so many message board certified doctors on CP. Next time Berry needs medical advice I'm sure his agent will advise him to come on here instead of going to see a doctor from a hospital.

Serious question... Are you still thinking he wasn't just out to fuck the Chiefs out of money? I mean we all know he has Haglunds, but are you really thinking the way he handled it wasn't to just get his cash and didn't really give a shit how it affected the team?

[GloryDayz]

lol. If they're keeping Berry, they're not doing so for any meaningful contributions on the field.

That day is long past, and there is no risk whatsoever in cutting this player. It's far riskier to put him in situations of importance.

If they want to keep him to make speeches to the other players( which would be dumb as fuck because he's not actually playing as a team mate and helping to contribute ), and to take a lesser cap hit when cutting him next season, that's fine by me. Just keep his slow ass off the field.

All of this.

[GloryDayz]

Berry isn't lazy. He beat cancer, came back not only played in the NFL but played at a Pro Bowl level. His work ethic is legendary even among professional athletes who are notorious for taking care of their bodies.

It is probably one of the reasons he still has the respect of his teammates. They see how hard he is working to get out there and play.

You guys act like he is sitting at home playing COD and drinking beer every day. **** outta here that bs.

Maybe he doesn't actually have the respect of his teammates and they're simply being PC because, well, he WAS a legend.

Don't let his prior years and beating cancer allow you to be sold on him not having turned into a greedy fucking douche.

But hey, he did workouts that would kill a horse! Too bad Gronk's evidently fitter than a horse and a game is 60 minute.

[loochy]

You guys act like he is sitting at home playing COD and drinking beer every day. **** outta here that bs.

He might as well have been. The results would be the same.

[SuperBowl4]

They should just rest him until next Januarys AFC Championship game.

[loochy]

Come on. Aside from being NFL Comeback Player of the Year, he had been an All-Pro safety each of the prior two seasons. A little more than an inspirational ticket seller, no?

The article in The Athletic said the doctor's expectation was that the foot would 'mend' without surgery. Clearly he wasn't playing at 100pct last season and was in a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't situation which is evidenced by a lot of the comments here. Berry doesn't play? Lazy motherfucker. Berry plays at less than 100pct and it shows? Brokedick motherfucker. If he had gotten his hand up a split second earlier, he breaks up the pass to Gronk, we're in the Super Bowl, and the narrative changes.

I think we'll end up keeping Berry. I realize most of you don't subscribe to that sort of belief, but the Chiefs may find it risky to get rid of both Houston and him at the same time, the two guys who have been the vocal leaders of this defense. (And yes, I realize that this defense was historically bad and can only get better, but the Chiefs front office may feel blowing everything up in one offseason is too drastic.)

Not saying I agree or disagree with any of the above, but I suspect this is our reality.

Yeah, vocal leaders of a pile of shit...maybe it's time to develop some new leaders.

[morphius]

I have no reason to believe he will be back in any meaningful way after watching him being taken out by a simple block in Seattle that made him put extra pressure on his foot/ankle. Not going to waste my team hoping for anything out of him again.

[TEX]

They should just rest him until next Januarys AFC Championship game.

Sarcasm no doubt, but no way - He was terrible in this last one.

[BossChief]

810 is dumb as fuck.

Dude just said they already passed the time to avoid guaranteed money for 2019 and if they cut him June first they get a draft pick for him.

Lol clueless

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

They should just rest him until next Januarys AFC Championship game.

That'd be greeeeeeeeeeeeeeat......


https://i.gifer.com/embedded/download/Wvrc.gif

810 is dumb as fuck.

Dude just said they already passed the time to avoid guaranteed money for 2019 and if they cut him June first they get a draft pick for him.

Lol clueless

Just....wow.

[Baby Lee]

lol. If they're keeping Berry, they're not doing so for any meaningful contributions on the field.

That day is long past, and there is no risk whatsoever in cutting this player. It's far riskier to put him in situations of importance.

If they want to keep him to make speeches to the other players( which would be dumb as fuck because he's not actually playing as a team mate and helping to contribute ), and to take a lesser cap hit when cutting him next season, that's fine by me. Just keep his slow ass off the field.

Maybe someone could PS Urc's face on Wooderson

https://d2ciprw05cjhos.cloudfront.net/files/v3/styles/gs_large/public/2012/10/wooderson.jpg?itok=qV9_FXqu

That's what I love about rookies, man. I get older and feebler and slower, and they stay the same age. . .

[TEX]

810 is dumb as ****.

Dude just said they already passed the time to avoid guaranteed money for 2019 and if they cut him June first they get a draft pick for him.

Lol clueless

And now the stupid shit starts by people who heard that clown say it on 810 - a buddy just texted me that scenario. :shake:

[King_Chief_Fan]

Isn't having surgery or doesn't need it?

Either way Eric has outlived his usefulness on the football field.


He needs to be gone

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Isn't having surgery or doesn't need it?

Either way Eric has outlived his usefulness on the football field.


He needs to be gone

According to his doctors, "doesn't need it". Which I translate as, "having this surgery would NOT improve your performance post-rehab".

Or, as YOU have properly translated it; "Eric, it's time to go".

[ChiefoftheKeyboard]

If he had the surgery then he would 100% fail his physical in March and his contract this year would become fully guaranteed. This way he can hopefully pass his physical in March and they can designate him a post-June 1 cut and save 9.5M. Doubt the chiefs do that though, that would be the smart move.

[RunKC]

We are stuck with him this year guys. His contract has almost $7 million of dead money if we cut him with a June 1st. We would only gain $2.6 million for him.

It sucks but it is what it is. This contract is terrible.

[TEX]

According to his doctors, "doesn't need it". Which I translate as, "having this surgery would NOT improve your performance post-rehab".

Or, as YOU have properly translated it; "Eric, it's time to go".

Perhaps time for a "TIME TO GO" EB Jersey?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

We are stuck with him this year guys. His contract has almost $7 million of dead money if we cut him with a June 1st. We would only gain $2.6 million for him.

It sucks but it is what it is. This contract is terrible.

Why does this number keep changing? I'm hearing 8.9 saved, now you've whittled us down to 2.6. WTF gives?

And how much extra would we save by waiting another year compared to releasing him June 1st 2019?

[FAX]

There are people here who want Berry to have surgery even if surgery is unnecessary?

Bunch of Mengeles 'round here. Or Tara Reids, maybe.

Dang.

FAX

[New World Order]

Why does this number keep changing? I'm hearing 8.9 saved, now you've whittled us down to 2.6. WTF gives?

And how much extra would we save by waiting another year compared to releasing him June 1st 2019?

Yeah, can someone set the record straight?

[staylor26]

The way Veach talks about Houston makes me feel better about Berry

He said the plan was still for Houston to be on the team despite the fact that he’s good as gone.

Talking about Berry and Houston like they will be back means nothing.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Maybe he doesn't actually have the respect of his teammates and they're simply being PC because, well, he WAS a legend.

Don't let his prior years and beating cancer allow you to be sold on him not having turned into a greedy ****ing douche.

But hey, he did workouts that would kill a horse! Too bad Gronk's evidently fitter than a horse and a game is 60 minute.

How is he greedy? Because he is accepting the money his empoyer agreed to pay him? What do you want him to do give the Chiefs back all the money he has made since he has been hurt? Would you do that?

I dont know what you guys were expecting out of him in AFCC game. I wasnt expecting much. I dont fault him for not having a good game against Gronk. He was rusty and it isn't like Gronk is some bum. Lets not forget what Berry did to Gronk when he was healthy the year prior.

It is what it is. You guys act like Berry is a piece of shit because he got hurt and makes a lot of money. Play Madden and turn injuries off if you want to live in fantasy land.

[saphojunkie]

Why does this number keep changing? I'm hearing 8.9 saved, now you've whittled us down to 2.6. WTF gives?

And how much extra would we save by waiting another year compared to releasing him June 1st 2019?

According to overthecap.com, here it is:

PRE-JUNE 1, 2019:

Dead money: $14,955,000
Cap Savings: $1,550,000

POST JUNE 1, 2019:

Dead money 2019: $6,950,000
Cap Savings 2019: $9,550,000
Dead money 2020: $4,000,000
Cap Savings 2020: $12,000,000
Dead money 2021: $4,000,000
Cap Savings 2021: $12,000,000

POST JUNE 1, 2020

Dead money 2020: $4,000,000
Cap Savings 2020: $9,500,000
Dead money 2021: $4,000,000
Cap Savings 2021: $12,000,000
Dead money 2022: 0,000,000
Cap Savings 2022: $14,000,000

Basically, cutting him post June 1 this year has only slightly more dead money, which is spread over two additional years. $4M in dead money in 2020 and 2021.

If you play him this year, his dead cap is $8M, which a post-june 1 designation next year would spread over three years, so you'd have smaller cap hits, but we are talking the difference between $2M and $4M, and you carry it a year longer.

There is basically no difference in terms of roster flexibility.

[O.city]

I think they'll keep Berry.

[htismaqe]

I think they'll keep Berry.

I do too. I don't expect him to play well (or at all really) but he's going to be on the roster.

[O.city]

I do too. I don't expect him to play well (or at all really) but he's going to be on the roster.

I just don't see how you can go with that much dead money. Maybe they will, but man, that's a big pill to swallow.

[O.city]

I also think if they keep him he'll play a lot. They can't go thru this again next season.

If they keep him, he's playing a lot.

[htismaqe]

I also think if they keep him he'll play a lot. They can't go thru this again next season.

If they keep him, he's playing a lot.

And if his body just can't handle it?

[O.city]

And if his body just can't handle it?

Don't you think they're doing their due diligence on it though? I mean if he's going to not have surgery and their putting all this out, they keep him and he does 2018 all over again, they're gonna look like dumb jackasses.

They may make a bad decision but they aren't stupid.

[htismaqe]

Don't you think they're doing their due diligence on it though? I mean if he's going to not have surgery and their putting all this out, they keep him and he does 2018 all over again, they're gonna look like dumb jackasses.

They may make a bad decision but they aren't stupid.

They thought he was going to play last year. For MONTHS, they thought he was going to play.

[saphojunkie]

I also think if they keep him he'll play a lot. They can't go thru this again next season.

If they keep him, he's playing a lot.

This is the option I am most in line with. I have NO problem keeping him and watching him kick ass all year. If that's the case, then all of this animosity is going to be a distant memory.

[O.city]

They thought he was going to play last year. For MONTHS, they thought he was going to play.

Exactly.

You think they're going to allow that to play out again? They'll either cut him or he'll play.

There is zero chance last year happens again. .

[htismaqe]

Exactly.

You think they're going to allow that to play out again? They'll either cut him or he'll play.

There is zero chance last year happens again. .

How can they KNOW how it's going to play out? It's not about being dumb, it's about being human.

Do you honestly think they would have let LAST YEAR happen if they could have stopped it? There's no difference between then and now, they can't tell the future.

[O.city]

How can they KNOW how it's going to play out? It's not about being dumb, it's about being human.

Do you honestly think they would have let LAST YEAR happen if they could have stopped it? There's no difference between then and now, they can't tell the future.

Then they'll cut him.

They won't go thru that again. If they're not sure he can play and be healthy in regards to this injury, they'll cut him and move on.

There is absolutely difference in that at this point they have options. Last year they really didn't.

[Beef Supreme]

Maybe they can work a deal where Eric Berry takes over for Jason Witten in the MNF booth.

[htismaqe]

Then they'll cut him.

They won't go thru that again. If they're not sure he can play and be healthy in regards to this injury, they'll cut him and move on.

There is absolutely difference in that at this point they have options. Last year they really didn't.

There's absolutely NO WAY they can be sure for 3 days in March that he'll be ready to go in July or August. Unless the Chiefs hired Miss Cleo.

Everything they do with Berry is a guess.

[Stryker]

They thought he was going to play last year. For MONTHS, they thought he was going to play.

And this is why I would have let him go first BEFORE ever thinking about Houston. This is as bad a gamble as Jared Allen was back in the day. His best days are far gone and the ROI is null. He needs to go - thanks for the memories.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

According to overthecap.com, here it is:



Thank you, and you absolutely cut him this year. NO reason to hang on. AT ALL. We need every dollar we can get, not "day to day" and then shitty performance.

[tmax63]

6.9 mil in dead money is a lot but spending the 9 mil saved on someone who will at least suit up and play more than 3 games next season is worth it.

[threebag]

We are stuck with him this year guys. His contract has almost $7 million of dead money if we cut him with a June 1st. We would only gain $2.6 million for him.

It sucks but it is what it is. This contract is terrible.

That’s 2.6 towards someone who isn’t just a cheerleader

[tmax63]

I just checked and NFL average "dead cap space" is about 3.5 mil. 6.9 mil wouldn't get you into the top 5.

[threebag]

Maybe they can work a deal where Eric Berry takes over for Jason Witten in the MNF booth.

Can you imagine the motivational play by play? Everyone will want to get in on the action.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

That’s 2.6 towards someone who isn’t just a cheerleader

The 2.6 is only if we cut before June 1st. We get almost 9 if we cut him in June. That's two to THREE players that could suit up, contribute, and/or be depth.

Yes, please.

[RunKC]

The 2.6 is only if we cut before June 1st. We get almost 9 if we cut him in June. That's two to THREE players that could suit up, contribute, and/or be depth.

Yes, please.

No it isn’t. We get $9.5 million BUT have $6.95 million in dead money with a June 1st designation.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

No it isn’t. We get $9.5 million BUT have $6.95 million in dead money with a June 1st designation.

And we get ZERO breaks the following year, so....

Time to cut that cord.

[Skyy God]

Maybe they can work a deal where Eric Berry takes over for Jason Witten in the MNF booth.

He’s just going back to the underpass and warm his hands on the barrel fire.

[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Think about this… for the Chiefs which one of these bad scenarios is worse for the organization. <br><br>1. Keep Berry and live through a repeat of last year’s day-to-day drama.<br><br>or <br><br>2. Berry leaves and joins Broncos/Raiders/Chargers and plays as well as a 30 yr. old safety can.</p>&mdash; Soren Petro (@SorenPetro) <a href="https://twitter.com/SorenPetro/status/1101146463936106496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Think about this… for the Chiefs which one of these bad scenarios is worse for the organization. <br><br>1. Keep Berry and live through a repeat of last year’s day-to-day drama.<br><br>or <br><br>2. Berry leaves and joins Broncos/Raiders/Chargers and plays as well as a 30 yr. old safety can.</p>&mdash; Soren Petro (@SorenPetro) <a href="https://twitter.com/SorenPetro/status/1101146463936106496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Dear Soren,

1, you stupid, fucking idiot. And send Alex over to those faggots when HE heals up too; I'm FAR from done with HIS ass!

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

He’s just going back to the underpass and warm his hands on the barrel fire.

Stinky....

Oddball...

Tumbleweed....

and Cornbread...

RETURN for another exciting season of sideline hi-jinx and parking lot panhandling!

CHIEFS FOOTBALL 2019: HIDE YOUR WALLET-EDITION!

* A Clark Hunt contract presentation.

[New World Order]

Who gives a fuck where he goes Petro

He sucks

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Who gives a fuck where he goes Petro

He sucks

Exactly. "Oh no, the slow Safety with a gimp and the inability to jump for a fucking football might go to Denver"!

GTFOutta' here with that dumb shit!

[GloryDayz]

How is he greedy? Because he is accepting the money his empoyer agreed to pay him? What do you want him to do give the Chiefs back all the money he has made since he has been hurt? Would you do that?

I dont know what you guys were expecting out of him in AFCC game. I wasnt expecting much. I dont fault him for not having a good game against Gronk. He was rusty and it isn't like Gronk is some bum. Lets not forget what Berry did to Gronk when he was healthy the year prior.

It is what it is. You guys act like Berry is a piece of shit because he got hurt and makes a lot of money. Play Madden and turn injuries off if you want to live in fantasy land.

What I would like is for people to quit sucking his dick and living in the past where he was awesome and beat cancer. IOW, while there's little we can do to stop him from getting what a very stupid deal allows him to take, there's nothing stopping us and the team from bluntly 1) calling it a very stupid deal, and 2) calling him the blood-sucking cancer he is to this team.

From emptying his locker, to not letting him be around the team, to letting the press know that they made a mistake, there are ways to let him know he's not welcome. And they're just as "OK" as what he's doing.

I know that's overboard, but perhaps there's a middle ground that doesn't involve kissing his ass because of what he once did, and treating him accordingly for what he's doing, or not doing, for the team.

[GloryDayz]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Think about this… for the Chiefs which one of these bad scenarios is worse for the organization. <br><br>1. Keep Berry and live through a repeat of last year’s day-to-day drama.<br><br>or <br><br>2. Berry leaves and joins Broncos/Raiders/Chargers and plays as well as a 30 yr. old safety can.</p>&mdash; Soren Petro (@SorenPetro) <a href="https://twitter.com/SorenPetro/status/1101146463936106496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Wow, that's like the worst reason ever! And based on what Gronk did to him, it would be funny to see how TH would clown his gimp ass.

And let's not forget, the Donks might demand players who play in all 4 quarters! So there's that!

[FAX]

FOMO is a terrible disease and one of the 3 primary causes of human dysfunction.

If EB can't play, he can't play. Simple.

If EB can play, but he doesn't fit in with the Chiefs' plans, he needs to find work elsewhere. Basic.

If EB can play and can contribute to the Chiefs by improving our defensive play, he stays. Elementary.

Sometimes, people like Petro say stuff just to fill in gaps. They'd be better off listening in silence.

FAX

[Kiimo]

Soren Petro is right.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

What I would like is for people to quit sucking his dick and living in the past where he was awesome and beat cancer. IOW, while there's little we can do to stop him from getting what a very stupid deal allows him to take, there's nothing stopping us and the team from bluntly 1) calling it a very stupid deal, and 2) calling him the blood-sucking cancer he is to this team.

From emptying his locker, to not letting him be around the team, to letting the press know that they made a mistake, there are ways to let him know he's not welcome. And they're just as "OK" as what he's doing.

I know that's overboard, but perhaps there's a middle ground that doesn't involve kissing his ass because of what he once did, and treating him accordingly for what he's doing, or not doing, for the team.

How DARE you impugn the Master Hobo Sinsae, fool! Do you not understand the priceless wisdom he imparts to his defensive team mates?!? Can you not see how his fierce Kung-Fu turns shitty players in to.......less shitty players?!?!?( final ranking @ #31 overall )

You are just an armchair GM meanie with no heart for the world's one and only survivor of cancer! BE GONE WITH YOU!!!!

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Soren Petro is right a fucking dipshit, and always has been.

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