Raiders GM Mike Mayock on Draft strategy

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

This is a pretty fun listen. No matter what he says you can tell he's under a ton of pressure to get this draft right because he used to be the draft guru . LOLOL. You can tell he's worn out worrying even though he says he's not. That being said i think he'll get it right for the Raiders and in two years they'll be easily 8-8.

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[JakeF]

He already looks older. lol

It's really difficult to root against Mike Mayock. He's such a down-to-earth guy.

I wish he wasn't a Raider.

[TribalElder]

I loved mayocks draft coverage

That was the worst part of him going to the raiders

It seems like he was right more often then not

I think he even had Earl Thomas over Eric Berry back in the day

[JakeF]

I think he even had Earl Thomas over Eric Berry back in the day

He did. I think he was either first or one of the few that did say Thomas over Berry. The players turned about to be fairly even so it doesn't really matter. Although recent injuries will probably give the career of Thomas the edge over Berry.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

He did. I think he was either first or one of the few that did say Thomas over Berry. The players turned about to be fairly even so it doesn't really matter. Although recent injuries will probably give the career of Thomas the edge over Berry.

Wait , were Thomas and Berry in the same draft. I remember it being Taylor Mays/Eric berry.

[Dayze]

Mayock was the reason I switched to NFLN draft coverage from the abortion of what ESPN draft had become. Really enjoyed Mayocks breakdowns and commentary.

[Munson]

Wait , were Thomas and Berry in the same draft. I remember it being Taylor Mays/Eric berry.

It was the 2010 draft.

We took Berry at #5.

Seattle took Thomas at #14.

SF takes Mays at #49.

Seattle also got Kam Chancellor in the 5th round #133.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NFL_Draft

[raidersnumber1]

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[RustShack]

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Taking last.

[ChiefGator]

It's really difficult to root against Mike Mayock. He's such a down-to-earth guy.

Eh, I don't see it. He is a bit of a "me guy" to me. Even on the very first question, he should have said there is a team of scouts, yadda, yadda.

And notice how he used to talk to all the GMs before, and now he can't. We shall see how much he just echoed what he heard pretty soon.

Honestly, I think his unsubstantiated ego is going to do him in and hurt their drafts.

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LOL. Dumbass!

[Clyde Frog]

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You’re gonna have to beat KC For that to happen and you wont be able to do that unless the refs give you 400 untimed downs from the 1.


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[NWTF]

Eh, I don't see it. He is a bit of a "me guy" to me. Even on the very first question, he should have said there is a team of scouts, yadda, yadda.

And notice how he used to talk to all the GMs before, and now he can't. We shall see how much he just echoed what he heard pretty soon.

Honestly, I think his unsubstantiated ego is going to do him in and hurt their drafts.

Mayock's pretty respected around the league. Other teams were interested in him for GM in the past. I think he knows his stuff, but that doesnt mean they will hit on everything in the draft, and they wont. You still got Gruden in the mix and hes proven to be a bad evaluator and in the end he could overrule Mayock. Funny, but Gruden was at his best when Al Davis did the grocery shopping for him. Even though Mayock was brought in, and I think it was a good move Gruden seems to have final say.

[RealSNR]

Maycock

[Buehler445]

May he fail in spectacular fashion.

[New World Order]

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This is like our new Knowmo

[kcxiv]

as much as i hate the Raiders, im not sure i can hate Mayok!

[lawrenceRaider]

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We'll be a hell of a lot better this year than last, but unless the draft falls perfectly for us, Q.Williams at #4 and a guy like Ferrell somehow miraculously falls to the Raiders at #24, I'd say 8-8 is the ceiling for 2019. Better than the Donks, but not up to the Chargers or Chiefs.

Our D is likely to be terrible.

[BossChief]

Mayock was a great hire for them.

Wouldn’t be surprised if Daniel Jeremiah gets a GM spot in the next couple years, too.

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[smithandrew051]

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Raiders are stuck in QB purgatory. That’s the worst place to be.

Your QB is good enough that your tram refuses to move on, but not near good enough to win anything of significance.

Have fun! We lived that one long enough to know how painful it is.

“But maybe if we fix the defense? Or beef up the OL?”

[lawrenceRaider]

Raiders are stuck in QB purgatory. That’s the worst place to be.

Your QB is good enough that your tram refuses to move on, but not near good enough to win anything of significance.

Have fun! We lived that one long enough to know how painful it is.

“But maybe if we fix the defense? Or beef up the OL?”

Alex Smith had one season as good as Carr did last year. That was in 2017 with an amazing array of skill players. Carr had jack and squat last year for weapons, but put up just as good of numbers as Smith did in 2017.

I'm not saying Carr is the answer. I'm enough of a realist to know that is probably not going to happen now. He is better than freakin' Alex Smith though.

[smithandrew051]

Alex Smith had one season as good as Carr did last year. That was in 2017 with an amazing array of skill players. Carr had jack and squat last year for weapons, but put up just as good of numbers as Smith did in 2017.

I'm not saying Carr is the answer. I'm enough of a realist to know that is probably not going to happen now. He is better than freakin' Alex Smith though.

Career Rating of 88 vs 87. Not much of a gap there.

[ModSocks]

I think Mayock is over rated. They'll face plant.

[Iowanian]

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[lawrenceRaider]

Career Rating of 88 vs 87. Not much of a gap there.

I suppose we'll see after this year.

Care to place a small wager on whether Carr will destroy his own, and Smith's best years this coming season?

[ChiefGator]

I suppose we'll see after this year.

Care to place a small wager on whether Carr will destroy his own, and Smith's best years this coming season?

You might want to wait until after the draft before you place that bet, Raider fan.

[New World Order]

Alex Smith had one season as good as Carr did last year. That was in 2017 with an amazing array of skill players. Carr had jack and squat last year for weapons, but put up just as good of numbers as Smith did in 2017.

I'm not saying Carr is the answer. I'm enough of a realist to know that is probably not going to happen now. He is better than freakin' Alex Smith though.

When you compare your franchise qb with Alex Smith you know you’re headed for greatness

Especially on a team that has thousands of positions to fill

[ModSocks]

I suppose we'll see after this year.

Care to place a small wager on whether Carr will destroy his own, and Smith's best years this coming season?

I'm interested. But first we have to define "destroy".

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I think Mayock is over rated. They'll face plant.

Thank you. Every one of the talking draft heads are as "knowledgeable" as CP when it comes to picking talent if not incredibly fucking worse.

And piss on that Raider trash; go "worship" some bear bikers, you lame assed fucks.

[POND_OF_RED]

Alex Smith had one season as good as Carr did last year. That was in 2017 with an amazing array of skill players. Carr had jack and squat last year for weapons, but put up just as good of numbers as Smith did in 2017.

I'm not saying Carr is the answer. I'm enough of a realist to know that is probably not going to happen now. He is better than freakin' Alex Smith though.

You know stats are an actual measurable things that people can look up right? Carr’s overall rating last season was a 93.9. Alex Smith’s average rating for his 5 seasons with the Chiefs was a 94.76. No way does Carr ever touch the rating Smith put up in 2017.

[Chiefshrink]

Mayock's under no pressure he is just Gruden's fall guy if it all goes south. We all know who is calling the shots and why Gruden will fail in Oakland the 2nd time around just like he did in Tampa after winning the SB with Dungy's assembled team.:shrug:

Gruden's forte is not personnel although he thinks it is.

Just like we all know who is calling the shots here in KC and it ain't Veach.:shrug:

[Chiefaholic]

I like Mayock, and hate to see him wearing the black and silver. My gut tells me that the Raiders will be a more formidable opponent in 2-3 seasons. Lucky for us, we have a generational talent at QB with three more years on his rookie contract.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Mayock's under no pressure he is just Gruden's fall guy if it all goes south. We all know who is calling the shots and why Gruden will fail in Oakland the 2nd time around just like he did in Tampa after winning the SB with Dungy's assembled team.:shrug:

Gruden's forte is not personnel although he thinks it is.

Just like we all know who is calling the shots here in KC and it ain't Veach.:shrug:

Maycock has to be under enormous pressure . Think about it. He's been a professional draft analyst getting paid big bucks for the last many years and NOW he's responsible for actually making those picks. If he fails his whole life gig is OVER with. I love it. But I think he'll do good for the Raiders.

[New World Order]

I suppose we'll see after this year.

Care to place a small wager on whether Carr will destroy his own, and Smith's best years this coming season?

Ok

But he's gotta throw more than 26 tds, have a better rating in both passer (104) and qbr (65).

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Ok

But he's gotta throw more than 26 tds, have a better rating in both passer (104) and qbr (65).


Stupid bet. Two shitty fucking QB's who need to eat AIDS and die.

[New World Order]

Stupid bet. Two shitty ****ing QB's who need to eat AIDS and die.

One has.

And one will

[jdubya]

Anybody watch the whole interview? At the very end he is asked about the QB situation and he says "David is our QB...." If I am DEREK I`d be a little worried lol.

[kccrow]

Mayock was really the only draft analyst I consistently agreed with and enjoyed. I miss his takes. That said, he has alot of pressure on him with the Raiders to get this draft right. 4 picks in the top 35 and he really needs to hit them all.

If the Raiders are looking QB, I think they are looking QB in the wrong draft to be honest. Murray is a midget that has one year of experience. I don't know that I'd be going all in to get him. Lock struggles with inaccuracy although I like him alot more than I did Josh Allen. If the Raiders do go QB, I could see a mild trade up to #3 with the Jets, giving up 35, to ensure they get Lock. The reason I think Lock is possible is that he's that much more mobile and fits Gruden's scheme. I don't think Haskins, despite his arm talent, fits what Gruden likes to do. And the biggest thing is whether or not they'd be gaining anything with these QBs over what they already have in Carr? I really don't think they would be.

I think they should focus on the defense and getting more weapons around Carr. Get a stud pass rusher like Josh Allen at 4, get an athletic TE like Fant at 24, get Josh Jacobs at RB at 27, and get another CB like Trayvon Mullen at 35. That really sets your foundation on both sides of the ball. With Fant, Brown, and Jacobs, Carr really has no excuses not to produce. On the other side you get a solid #2 CB to pair with Conley and you replace your stupidity of trading away Mack at #4.

If Carr doesn't produce in 2019, then sell the farm for Herbert in 2020.

[Munson]

I think Mayock will have a good first year. He's got 4 of the top 35 picks, 3 of which are 1st rounders.

But after the first year, he'll descend into typical Raider suckage and be gone in 4 or 5 years.

[jdubya]

I suppose we'll see after this year.

Care to place a small wager on whether Carr will destroy his own, and Smith's best years this coming season?

Being in year 2 of Grudens system Carr should do better but his ceiling is already been reached. All the talent in the world doesnt replace his shit for brains when the going gets tough. Like checking down on a Hail Mary on 4th down and game and many other bone headed plays he has done that shows his lack of football IQ under duress. He might be great in the film room and when wearing the red shirt but he pisses himself in games.

[Tges58]

I suppose we'll see after this year.

Care to place a small wager on whether Carr will destroy his own, and Smith's best years this coming season?

Since Smith got his leg Theismaned last year it's probably too close to call

[ROYC75]

I really think you guys are selling these 2 short. Gruden has started his house clearing last year, the pics are going to be a start on the rebuild. IMHO, I feel these 2 will right that ship in Gruden's 3rd year, being very competitive.

IMHO,we better get our shit together and stay young & athletic.

[Tombstone RJ]

I agree the Mayock is under pressure to get the draft picks right. I think he's going to find out rather quickly, that it's one thing to critique teams and picks, and it's quite another to actually be the one pulling the trigger on the picks.

I remember when Mayock said Robert Aires was going to be the best pass rusher in the draft, he just needed time to develop. Wrong. What I saw when I watched the youtube videos of Aires was a slow first step, not a fast first step. Mayock said Aires had a quick first step but I saw the exact opposite, I thought he was slow off the snap. Anyhow, the Broncos ended up drafting Robert Aires and he was very mediocre. He wasn't bad, but he was nothing special either.

[RealSNR]

I agree the Mayock is under pressure to get the draft picks right. I think he's going to find out rather quickly, that it's one thing to critique teams and picks, and it's quite another to actually be the one pulling the trigger on the picks.

I remember when Mayock said Robert Aires was going to be the best pass rusher in the draft, he just needed time to develop. Wrong. What I saw when I watched the youtube videos of Aires was a slow first step, not a fast first step. Mayock said Aires had a quick first step but I saw the exact opposite, I thought he was slow off the snap. Anyhow, the Broncos ended up drafting Robert Aires and he was very mediocre. He wasn't bad, but he was nothing special either.

Interesting fact: Robert Aires likes to go on vacation in Buenos Ayers

[JakeF]

I can't believe they gave Gruden such a long contract. He won't last for half of it.

[TEX]

I agree the Mayock is under pressure to get the draft picks right. I think he's going to find out rather quickly, that it's one thing to critique teams and picks, and it's quite another to actually be the one pulling the trigger on the picks.

I remember when Mayock said Robert Aires was going to be the best pass rusher in the draft, he just needed time to develop. Wrong. What I saw when I watched the youtube videos of Aires was a slow first step, not a fast first step. Mayock said Aires had a quick first step but I saw the exact opposite, I thought he was slow off the snap. Anyhow, the Broncos ended up drafting Robert Aires and he was very mediocre. He wasn't bad, but he was nothing special either.

Bet he"s nowhere near as bad as Elway.

[Chiefshrink]

Maycock has to be under enormous pressure . Think about it. He's been a professional draft analyst getting paid big bucks for the last many years and NOW he's responsible for actually making those picks. If he fails his whole life gig is OVER with. I love it. But I think he'll do good for the Raiders.

Oh I get your point and on PR surface you are correct but Gruden is using Mayock's eye receives all his info then Gruden still makes the decision IMHO and why I said MM is the fall guy in the end. Gruden is not the type of guy to take over as coach only to ask for permission from a GM to get a guy. And neither is Reid.:shrug:

[Chiefshrink]

Bet he"s nowhere near as bad as Elway.

Defensively Elway gets a B+ to A- on the defensive side of the ball BUT you are correct he gets an F on the offensive side for sure when you look at his tenure as GM.

[TEX]

Defensively Elway gets a B+ to A- on the defensive side of the ball BUT you are correct he gets an F on the offensive side for sure when you look at his tenure as GM.

Naw, You give him too much credit. ANYONE could have made his defensive picks if they were picking in the top 10 like he was. Anyone. He gets a solid D, if you look at his tenure as GM post Manning. Last year's draft raised him above F.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

The Raiders draft this year is truly fascinating. Four picks total between pick 1 and pick 35, but not one single pick between 36 and 105.

Hit big on 3 or 4 of those early picks? They might be a true contender in a couple years. Miss big? They probably suck hard for another 3-5 years at least.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I agree the Mayock is under pressure to get the draft picks right. I think he's going to find out rather quickly, that it's one thing to critique teams and picks, and it's quite another to actually be the one pulling the trigger on the picks.

I remember when Mayock said Robert Aires was going to be the best pass rusher in the draft, he just needed time to develop. Wrong. What I saw when I watched the youtube videos of Aires was a slow first step, not a fast first step. Mayock said Aires had a quick first step but I saw the exact opposite, I thought he was slow off the snap. Anyhow, the Broncos ended up drafting Robert Aires and he was very mediocre. He wasn't bad, but he was nothing special either.

Mayock may have actually been right though because you have to figure denver coaching has been a clown show

[raidersnumber1]

The Raiders draft this year is truly fascinating. Four picks total between pick 1 and pick 35, but not one single pick between 36 and 105.

Hit big on 3 or 4 of those early picks? They might be a true contender in a couple years. Miss big? They probably suck hard for another 3-5 years at least.

we just don't have a third round pick that was traded for AB. No 6th either. 2 sevenths.

[Chiefshrink]

Naw, You give him too much credit. ANYONE could have made his defensive picks if they were picking in the top 10 like he was. Anyone. He gets a solid D, if you look at his tenure as GM post Manning. Last year's draft raised him above F.

Not trying to :Poke: you here but top 10 status is waaaaaay overrated and there have been many busts in the top 10. There is NO GUARANTEE on anyone that they will develop into Top 10 status just because they were taken there in the draft.

Review his defensive draft picks. Malik Jackson, Miller, Wolfe, Unrein, Harris, Trevathian, Harris Jr., Simmons, Parks, Chubb,etc....my guess is Elway is not even responsible for those defensive picks and just trusted his scouts on the defensive side IMHO but he does get a B+ to A- because he IS the GM.

Now with that said, I agree with you a 100% he has been an immense failure as a GM post Manning because his true lack of offensive personnel acumen is being exposed now. He truly is the "King with no clothes on" that struts down the street as IF they are a playoff contender every year.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Elway just hasn't hit on the QB position since Manning, seriously. He found his RB , courtland Sutton and Jake Butt has just been injured. He gets a top 15 QB and they can easily move to 6-10

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Once Elway got out of the top 10, his defensive picks have been shit. Bradley Roby? lol.

Stop giving horseass credit he doesn't deserve. Hell, he probably didn't even MAKE those picks in the top 10.

[jdubya]

Hmmmmmm

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/dont-hold-your-breath-on-a-russell-wilson-extension-but-ponder-these-3-team-trades-in-the-meantime/


Trade scenario No. 2
Oakland gets: Wilson, Giants pick at 37, and Giants 2020 1st round pick
Seattle gets: Oakland's picks at 4, 24 and 27
Giants get: Derek Carr

[JohnnyHammersticks]

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I predict the Raiders win total next season will exceed the average IQ of their fans. Six.

[ROYC75]

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Seriously, I want you to go look in the mirror!

Take a good look! Remember that look!

Now the reality of this is, THAT COMMENT IS DUMBER THAN YOU LOOK! A LOT ****ING DUMBER!

Now go get some medical help!

[Chiefshrink]

Elway just hasn't hit on the QB position since Manning, seriously. He found his RB , courtland Sutton and Jake Butt has just been injured. He gets a top 15 QB and they can easily move to 6-10

He has missed 2x on the QB, missed on OL, missed on TEs, missed on WRs until this last year, missed on RBs and Lindsay doesn't count because he is an UDFA. Sutton and Paradis are really his 'only' offensive gems to this point post Manning.

[Chiefshrink]

Stop giving horseass credit he doesn't deserve. Hell, he probably didn't even MAKE those picks in the top 10.

Like I said, he probably didn't make those d picks and trusted his scouts and coaches on those picks I agree with you BUT he was the GM during those picks.:shrug:

[Tombstone RJ]

Interesting fact: Robert Aires likes to go on vacation in Buenos Ayers

lol, yes, Robert Ayers...

[jdubya]

If this is correct then he is off to a great start


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[KC Hawks]

Drafting Clelin Ferrell over Josh Allen is still awful.

[Chris Meck]

Drafting Clelin Ferrell over Josh Allen is still awful.

I don't think so.

[lawrenceRaider]

Drafting Clelin Ferrell over Josh Allen is still awful.

I don't think so.

Ferrell has been playing pretty damn well recently. I guess we'll see.

[493rd]

If only they had a QB...

[Megatron96]

Mayock has done a pretty good job so far with his picks. And I don't see any reason why he won't in the future. Yes, he'll miss a few, because everyone does, but he'll make plenty of good picks as well.

What's funny is that if he hits on more than his fair share, a lot of people will denigrate his decisions, saying things like, "his scouts made all those picks; he had nothing to do with them," and if he misses any they'll say, "Mayock can't find talent to save his life; he sucks." Fans are stupid.

[TwistedChief]

If this is correct then he is off to a great start


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How many other teams had as many early round picks as the Raiders? Make an adjustment for that and overall picks and I'd be curious if they stand out.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

How many other teams had as many early round picks as the Raiders? Make an adjustment for that and overall picks and I'd be curious if they stand out.

Some truth to that but don't get pissy when Gruden and Mayock have the balls to go to the dartboard and take a shot rather than funnelling off 1st round picks every year in the quest for "surefire" FA's needing fat paydays.

[Buehler445]

Mayock has done a pretty good job so far with his picks. And I don't see any reason why he won't in the future. Yes, he'll miss a few, because everyone does, but he'll make plenty of good picks as well.

What's funny is that if he hits on more than his fair share, a lot of people will denigrate his decisions, saying things like, "his scouts made all those picks; he had nothing to do with them," and if he misses any they'll say, "Mayock can't find talent to save his life; he sucks." Fans are stupid.
Ummm... OK

[lawrenceRaider]

How many other teams had as many early round picks as the Raiders? Make an adjustment for that and overall picks and I'd be curious if they stand out.

Trayvon Mullen, 2nd round pick, game sealing INT this past week.

Maxx Crosby, 4th round choice, just had a 4 sack game.

Foster Moreau, 4th round choice, 16 catches, 142 yards, and 4 TDs.

Hunter Renfrow, 5th round choice, 33 catches, 365 yards, and 2 TDs.

Isaiah Johnson, another 4th round choice, just came off IR.

I'd mention Abrams, but since he was a 1st rounder, I guess that it doesn't matter he's been on IR since after week 1.

Also, we had a lot of 4th round picks because Mayock traded down a bunch to gather those picks.

[Buckweath]

Trayvon Mullen, 2nd round pick, game sealing INT this past week.

Maxx Crosby, 4th round choice, just had a 4 sack game.

Foster Moreau, 4th round choice, 16 catches, 142 yards, and 4 TDs.

Hunter Renfrow, 5th round choice, 33 catches, 365 yards, and 2 TDs.

Isaiah Johnson, another 4th round choice, just came off IR.

I'd mention Abrams, but since he was a 1st rounder, I guess that it doesn't matter he's been on IR since after week 1.

Also, we had a lot of 4th round picks because Mayock traded down a bunch to gather those picks.

The Raiders had literally double the draft capital of most other teams because of their 3 first round picks.

They had a good draft but it is nothing special at all...yet.

[BigRedChief]

No matter how you slice it, these last few years of drafts are some of the best that the Raiders have had in years. But, again as its been pointed out. picking at the top of the draft is a lot easier to find better players than at the bottom. So they should be graded on some kind of sliding scale.

[MahiMike]

That guy thought kizer was the best QB in the 2017 draft.

Pfffffttt!

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Trayvon Mullen, 2nd round pick, game sealing INT this past week.

Maxx Crosby, 4th round choice, just had a 4 sack game.

Foster Moreau, 4th round choice, 16 catches, 142 yards, and 4 TDs.

Hunter Renfrow, 5th round choice, 33 catches, 365 yards, and 2 TDs.

Isaiah Johnson, another 4th round choice, just came off IR.

I'd mention Abrams, but since he was a 1st rounder, I guess that it doesn't matter he's been on IR since after week 1.

Also, we had a lot of 4th round picks because Mayock traded down a bunch to gather those picks.

Max Crosby and Hunter renfro were great picks. I'm not too familiar with the other guys but no doubt they hit on Jacobs,Abrham and Ferrel too.

[Skyy God]

Max Crosby and Hunter renfro were great picks. I'm not too familiar with the other guys but no doubt they hit on Jacobs,Abrham and Ferrel too.

Ferrell over Allen seems like a big whiff.

And the jury’s still out on Abram’s durability or ability to play S in the modern NFL.

[lawrenceRaider]

Ferrell over Allen seems like a big whiff.

And the jury’s still out on Abram’s durability or ability to play S in the modern NFL.

Agreed, despite Ferrell playing much better in recent weeks.

[Kiimo]

Josh Allen was can't-miss and then he didn't miss. It was the biggest no-brainer replacement for Mack.

[JohnnyHammersticks]

Pains me to say, but it looks like a pretty good-not perfect- draft even relative to all the capital they had.

Crosby is a freaking beast. Almost unblockable.

[jdubya]

Pains me to say, but it looks like a pretty good-not perfect- draft even relative to all the capital they had.

Crosby is a freaking beast. Almost unblockable.

His motor is off the charts but he was/is very raw. Seems the last couple of weeks his technique is improving but again his motor is maddening.

[BryanBusby]

Ferrell over Allen seems like a big whiff.

And the jury’s still out on Abram’s durability or ability to play S in the modern NFL.
Ferrell was a classic example of Mike Mayock trying to be the smartest guy in the room so hard that he easily outsmarted himself.

He was a solid TV analyst, but he always had those what the fuck choices where you knew he was out thinking it all.

[Chiefshrink]

Josh Allen was can't-miss and then he didn't miss. It was the biggest no-brainer replacement for Mack.

Don't know how old you are but Allen is the modern day Bobby Douglas running for more TDs than passing. I just don't see Josh Allen ever becoming a stud drop back passer. Big arm yes, but that is about it besides rushing when in the red zone.

[Hoover]

You would have to be nuts to think a college DE could become a drop back passer in the NFL!

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Don't know how old you are but Allen is the modern day Bobby Douglas running for more TDs than passing. I just don't see Josh Allen ever becoming a stud drop back passer. Big arm yes, but that is about it besides rushing when in the red zone.

:doh!:

[jdubya]

Mack was a bust the first half of his rookie year too.......until he wasnt

[KC Hawks]

Don't know how old you are but Allen is the modern day Bobby Douglas running for more TDs than passing. I just don't see Josh Allen ever becoming a stud drop back passer. Big arm yes, but that is about it besides rushing when in the red zone.

ROFL

[R8RFAN]

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[Pasta Little Brioni]

Fans that have never seen the team in person....1st

[lawrenceRaider]

Fans that have never seen the team in person....1st

Only because we are legion and everywhere across the world. Though I have seen the Raiders in person a few times. Two wins and one loss in KC.

[lawrenceRaider]

Mack was a bust the first half of his rookie year too.......until he wasnt

No, he really wasn't. He was getting a ton of pressure, and stuffing the run. Just wasn't getting home on the sacks. Also getting held a ton, always a sign of a great pass rusher.

Ferrell was doing work on stuffing the run, but you don't take a guy at #4 to stuff the run. His play the last three weeks has been a lot closer to a top ten draft pick with plenty of pressure and some sacks.

[Skyy God]

Don't know how old you are but Allen is the modern day Bobby Douglas running for more TDs than passing. I just don't see Josh Allen ever becoming a stud drop back passer. Big arm yes, but that is about it besides rushing when in the red zone.

Wrong Josh Allen, dipshit.

[RealSNR]

Entire team is made up of rookies

"Raiders are the first team to get X production out of rookies in ____ first games"

Great job, Raiders. Thanks for participating in the NFL.

[Flying High D]

Don't know how old you are but Allen is the modern day Bobby Douglas running for more TDs than passing. I just don't see Josh Allen ever becoming a stud drop back passer. Big arm yes, but that is about it besides rushing when in the red zone.

He’ll have to get past Foles and Minchew first. Thinking outside the box on this one. Nice, Buffalo might want to try him at DE, who knows? Everything is out the window on this one.

[lawrenceRaider]

Wrong Josh Allen, dipshit.

Josh Allen's a bad man. Plays DE for the Jags and has 8 sacks. Then also plays QB for the Bills!

[Flying High D]

Jacksonville is kicking ass in the scouting game.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Having a bunch of great rookies sucks. What a stupid idea.

[staylor26]

Jacksonville is kicking ass in the scouting game.

Yea passing up on Mahomes, Watson, AND Lamar Jackson when they didn’t have a QB.

Absolutely killing it!

[Kiimo]

Don't know how old you are but Allen is the modern day Bobby Douglas running for more TDs than passing. I just don't see Josh Allen ever becoming a stud drop back passer. Big arm yes, but that is about it besides rushing when in the red zone.

How did I miss this lol