Veach's Press Conference - 4/18/19

[The Franchise]

Updated with tweets throughout the conference.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“I feel good about our roster, but we didn’t win the Super Bowl and there are places we can get better.”<br><br>- <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> GM Brett Veach.</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/1118918022113239040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“(Jordan) Lucas is a a guy who flashed last year.” - <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> GM Brett Veach, who also said he likes what he has in Armani Watts</p>&mdash; Arrowhead Pride (@ArrowheadPride) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArrowheadPride/status/1118918353014411264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach called the Eric Murray-for-Emmanuel Ogbah trade the rare time when a move truly benefits both parties. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> moved to 4-3 and there was a fit, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Browns?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Browns</a> needed depth at safety.</p>&mdash; Arrowhead Pride (@ArrowheadPride) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArrowheadPride/status/1118919716855255049?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">GM Brett Veach essentially says the obvious: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> are in win-now mode as well as building for future.</p>&mdash; Arrowhead Pride (@ArrowheadPride) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArrowheadPride/status/1118920119147802626?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Sofa King]

Neat.

[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach said everything is on the table except for QB in this draft.</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/1118918242720989185?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Iconic]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">GM Brett Veach essentially says the obvious: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> are in win-now mode as well as building for future.</p>&mdash; Arrowhead Pride (@ArrowheadPride) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArrowheadPride/status/1118920119147802626?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Definitely the best quote and makes me think Veach isn't a retarded 'OuR wInDoW iS NoW oR nEvEr' guy

[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach said he talks to coach Reid “about 10 times per day.”</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/1118921934002110465?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Kiimo]

I really hope Lucas isn't what they're hoping to roll out as a starter at SS. They need to draft one.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“I think the LB class and the safety class is a little thin to be honest.”<br><br>- Brett Veach, who said he likes the depth at DL, TE and a few others. Said he sees a wave of tackles going in the first round.</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/1118922828567412737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[BryanBusby]

I really hope Lucas isn't what they're hoping to roll out as a starter at SS. They need to draft one.
Did they release Mathieu in your mind or something?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

It’s gonna be really interesting to see if Veach does wind up taking someone like Hollywood Brown.

As much as they need defense, a pickup like that might have Mahomes putting up record breaking numbers yet again this season.

[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;If there&#39;s a receiver we like early on, we wouldn&#39;t hesitate to pull the trigger.&quot; - Brett Veach <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Kiley (@BKSportsTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/BKSportsTalk/status/1118922580927369223?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[pugsnotdrugs19]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“I think the LB class and the safety class is a little thin to be honest.”<br><br>- Brett Veach, who said he likes the depth at DL, TE and a few others. Said he sees a wave of tackles going in the first round.</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/1118922828567412737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Increases the odds of a S or LB pick earlier then. Decreases odds of early DL or TE pick.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I'd sure love to get Ed Oliver

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

It’s gonna be really interesting to see if Veach does wind up taking someone like Hollywood Brown.

As much as they need defense, a pickup like that might have Mahomes putting up record breaking numbers yet again this season.

Wood love that!!!!!

[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“That guy is a lot better than some people think.”<br><br>- <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> GM Brett Veach on <a href="https://twitter.com/DerrickNnadi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DerrickNnadi</a>, who was impressed with the rookie last year.</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/1118923249977647104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Kiimo]

Did they release Mathieu in your mind or something?

Are we sure that's where he's going? That would mean the SS depth chart is

Mathieu > Lucas

and FS is

Sorenson > Watts?

We need safeties.

[Iconic]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;If there&#39;s a receiver we like early on, we wouldn&#39;t hesitate to pull the trigger.&quot; - Brett Veach <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Kiley (@BKSportsTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/BKSportsTalk/status/1118922580927369223?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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OH FUCK THE AJ BROWN, HAKEEM BUTLER, DK METCALF, HOLLYWOOD BROWN HYPE TRAIN IS IN FULL FUCKING EFFECT!!!11

[BryanBusby]

Are we sure that's where he's going? That would mean the SS depth chart is

Mathieu > Lucas

and FS is

Sorenson > Watts?

We need safeties.
They signed him and promptly released EB, and he would be better up closer so I think it's a safe guess.

[RealSNR]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach said everything is on the table except for QB in this draft.</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/1118918242720989185?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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I read this and it started to trigger an anger response from all the times I heard crap like this out of Carl and Pioli's mouth.

Then I remembered who our QB is.

[Chris Meck]

Are we sure that's where he's going? That would mean the SS depth chart is

Mathieu > Lucas

and FS is

Sorenson > Watts?

We need safeties.

We DO need a safety. But I think you're all wrong on placement.

Mathieu, Sorensen- SS
Lucas, Watts- FS

Is how they'd line up today.

[ChiefBlueCFC]

I am absolutely here (Chiefs interwebs) for the meltdown if the Chiefs end up taking a wide out or any offensive player in the first round, bc Veach did say they felt all positions minus QB were on the board

[ChiefBlueCFC]

I also enjoyed Veach talking about Reid's stack of note cards yay thick with new "Pat plays" -- I can't fucking wait to see these

[BossChief]

Nobody will be mad if we take a TE or WR in the first.

Correction: only fools will be mad if we take an offensive player in the first.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I am absolutely here (Chiefs interwebs) for the meltdown if the Chiefs end up taking a wide out or any offensive player in the first round, bc Veach did say they felt all positions minus QB were on the board

I have absolutely no problem going Receiver/TE at 29 and then defense with the rest. Give Mahomes weapons. If any one of Kelce/Hill/Watkins goes down it will hurt our offense.

[The Franchise]

Nobody will be mad if we take a TE or WR in the first.

That's not correct. There are a group of "defense or bust in the 1st round" people on this board.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

That's not correct. There are a group of "defense or bust in the 1st round" people on this board.

Yes, but fortunately they're confined to the romper room because they're morans

[Buckweath]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach said everything is on the table except for QB in this draft.</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/1118918242720989185?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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This is like the equivalent of coach speak but for a GM.

Coaches and GMs will always love to say everything is on the table with regard to pretty much anything.

I do not believe for a second that Veach is going to draft an offensive player in the 1st round.

[Chris Meck]

If like...Hockensen or Fant or Brown fell to #29, you take them. I wouldn't trade UP for an offensive player, but yeah. No problem. Thank you very much, we'll see about defense in round 2.

If you go defense in round 1, you could certainly look offense with one of your second round picks. There are some nice WR prospects there. If you go defense in round 2 as well-

Then in round 3, there should be WR's, TE's, and one of the better mobile C's all available.

[ModSocks]

I do not believe for a second that Veach is going to draft an offensive player in the 1st round.

If he's the BPA and checks all the boxes for what the Chiefs do, you can bet your ass they'd draft him.

[Mecca]

I saw a mock the other day that had Hockenson at 8 yet had DK Metcalf going after our pick..I found that odd as hell.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Pick #29 is a really enticing pick for someone that wants to move up for a QB. NE may be in the market for one so somebody may want to jump in front of them.

[Chris Meck]

I saw a mock the other day that had Hockenson at 8 yet had DK Metcalf going after our pick..I found that odd as hell.

Somebody really interesting is going to fall to #29.

There's just no way around it.

[BryanBusby]

Somebody really interesting is going to fall to #29.

There's just no way around it.
It really depends on what you consider to be interesting

[saphojunkie]

I saw a mock the other day that had Hockenson at 8 yet had DK Metcalf going after our pick..I found that odd as hell.

Am I the only one who wants NOTHING to do with DK Metcalf? Just seems like Kevin White all over again.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Somebody really interesting is going to fall to #29.

There's just no way around it.

Might just be this guy:

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[Red Dawg]

Definitely the best quote and makes me think Veach isn't a retarded 'OuR wInDoW iS NoW oR nEvEr' guy

I don't care to hear about future building. It's been 50 years of no SB. If you never win shit then fuck the future. Go for it, but Veach hasn't.

[Buckweath]

If he's the BPA and checks all the boxes for what the Chiefs do, you can bet your ass they'd draft him.

The BPA approach always takes needs into consideration.

Of course, if Veach sees an offensive player available which he had in his top 15 overall players, he's going to select that player.

I don't see that happening at all.

[Simply Red]

Am I the only one who wants NOTHING to do with DK Metcalf? Just seems like Kevin White all over again.

no I agree w/ you.

[Skyy God]

Am I the only one who wants NOTHING to do with DK Metcalf? Just seems like Kevin White all over again.

Nope.

Hard pass on David Boston 2.0

[ModSocks]

The BPA approach always takes needs into consideration.



No it doesn't.

And at any given moment, a strength can become a weakness, which is why it's ALWAYS best to go BPA. Passing on a better player because a guy plays defense is how you build a mediocre roster.

[Dayze]

I REALLY wish the draft were on the weekends like back in the day. Such a great weekend each year for me; long weekend of grilling, drinking beer, watching the entire draft; solid football oriented weekend.

[KCwolf]

I REALLY wish the draft were on the weekends like back in the day. Such a great weekend each year for me; long weekend of grilling, drinking beer, watching the entire draft; solid football oriented weekend.

I'm with ya .... this format BLOWS.

[BryanBusby]

Am I the only one who wants NOTHING to do with DK Metcalf? Just seems like Kevin White all over again.
No. Metcalf isn't Kevin White 2.0.

White was the product of being in a very gimmicky Offense that thrived in a bad P5 conference for football and had really the shittiest luck with being glass when he got in.

Metcalf played in the hardest conference in a middle school Offense and is really relying on his physical traits.

[KC_Lee]

Am I the only one who wants NOTHING to do with DK Metcalf? Just seems like Kevin White all over again.

Same here. Don't see him understanding the concept of a route tree or a complex offensive system.

[Titty Meat]

Worst defense on paper since 2012

[Chris Meck]

It really depends on what you consider to be interesting

Well, offense-wise, I'd say Fant or Hockensen. 2 TE sets would be tough to stop. Marquis Brown or AJ Brown. That would make your 3 WR sets pretty unstoppable. Any of those guys would be interesting, no?

Defense- I'd say Tillery, Dexter Lawrence even though it's not really a need position, holy shit he's a game wrecker. Simmons doesn't help you this year, but you'd wreck worlds in '20. It's possible that Ferrell could fall. Greedy or Murphy could fall to #29. They would make your CB group pretty solid.

People reach for QB's. Lots of new head coaches that are going to want their guy. Some interesting players are going to drop.

[Mecca]

DK Metcalf would be fine here, good coaching and he is completely different from the rest of the guys.

[Chris Meck]

No. Metcalf isn't Kevin White 2.0.

White was the product of being in a very gimmicky Offense that thrived in a bad P5 conference for football and had really the shittiest luck with being glass when he got in.

Metcalf played in the hardest conference in a middle school Offense and is really relying on his physical traits.

Metcalf is more Randy Moss than Boston or White, I think.

[cabletech94]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach said everything is on the table except for QB in this draft.</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/1118918242720989185?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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smoke screen confirmed!!!

VEACH HAS ALL BUT SAID WE WILL BE DRAFTING A QUARTERBACK!!!! CONFIRMED!!!!!11!!

[Meatloaf]

What I found interesting about the presser was that Veach seemed refreshingly open about things. Sure, he didn’t give away any trade secrets, but he did seem very candid about things. I was very impressed with his overall demeanor up at the podium. Now, if he can just draft a coupla All Pro’s...

[Kiimo]

I REALLY wish the draft were on the weekends like back in the day. Such a great weekend each year for me; long weekend of grilling, drinking beer, watching the entire draft; solid football oriented weekend.



It doesn't just make me mad, it makes me the kind of furious mixed with futility that few things can achieve.


It's like taking R-rated horror movies and editing out all the nudity. You basically ruined what made it particularly fun to watch.

[OKchiefs]

Nobody will be mad if we take a TE or WR in the first.

Correction: only fools will be mad if we take an offensive player in the first.

It depends on what they do next, I wouldn't necessarily hate an offensive player in the first. Regardless of who they pick and where they pick the defense needs to show marked improvement. Another year of a sieve for a defense and heads need to roll.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Worst defense on paper since 2012

I have to agree. Not much talent there at all.

[ModSocks]

Worst defense on paper since 2012

I have to agree. Not much talent there at all.

uh oh. Now you've done it.

What's funny is that, if this D crashes and burns, every offseason complaint will be forgotten and everyone will jump on board the "this defense lacks talent" train. As if it weren't suggested all offseason.

[New World Order]

Worst defense on paper since 2012

Yip

We have 2 playmakers on defense: Honey Badger and Jones

[RunKC]

Yip

We have 2 playmakers on defense: Honey Badger and Jones

We only had 3 last year and they were all pass rushers who did nothing against NE and yet we still should have won.

Just draft 4 guys next week who will either start or play more than 50% of the time and call it good.

[Dayze]

It doesn't just make me mad, it makes me the kind of furious mixed with futility that few things can achieve.


It's like taking R-rated horror movies and editing out all the nudity. You basically ruined what made it particularly fun to watch.

Yep.
I think most years I took either the Friday before, or the Monday after the draft off of work; it was a GREAT weekend.

now it's meh.
Aside from the Mahomes and Berry picks, I haven't really watched it at all come to think of it. particularly don't pay much attention at all after the 1st round for sure.
I mean, if it's on and i'm not doing anything, I'll watch. But not like back in the day where it was pretty much known by everyone I knew that it was draft weekend and don't expect me to do anything or go anywhere lol.

and I would the whole thing, all the weekend.

[Oxford]

We only had 3 last year and they were all pass rushers who did nothing against NE and yet we still should have won.

Just draft 4 guys next week who will either start or play more than 50% of the time and call it good.

Hate to tell you this but this defense will not reach its potential (what ever that is) until late in the year, REGARDLESS of who they draft. Too many new faces and changes........... SO......... no one knows if it was talent, or scheme, no effort from players or a combination of all of that. Take a break from the "our defense sucked and it still sucks" mantra. Buckle up, lots of time to get freaked out.

[BryanBusby]

Well, offense-wise, I'd say Fant or Hockensen. 2 TE sets would be tough to stop. Marquis Brown or AJ Brown. That would make your 3 WR sets pretty unstoppable. Any of those guys would be interesting, no?

Defense- I'd say Tillery, Dexter Lawrence even though it's not really a need position, holy shit he's a game wrecker. Simmons doesn't help you this year, but you'd wreck worlds in '20. It's possible that Ferrell could fall. Greedy or Murphy could fall to #29. They would make your CB group pretty solid.

People reach for QB's. Lots of new head coaches that are going to want their guy. Some interesting players are going to drop.
I think right now it's likely that our options at 29 will be Greedy, Tillery or Simmons. Honestly I'd be fine with whatever choice from that trio if they don't move.

[Chris Meck]

You guys that are saying this is the worst defense on paper are looking at things all wrong.

What's the best way to beat a Mahomes led offense? Run the ball, control the clock, keep the ball out of Mahomes' hands.

What kind of guys have they signed? Big, strong, DE's that play the run well. Honey Badger, a known aggressive, head hunting safety.

Beef up front. Aggressive, talented safety added. A nice 2nd tier CB added.

You guys need to look beyond sack totals. We led the league in sacks yet lost three games giving up 40+.

If you can't run the ball on KC you're going to lose. That's job #1. So they've been working on job #1.

They're not done yet; but so far the moves make good, solid, fundamental sense.

[keg in kc]

I'll be surprised if it isn't a receiver or a TE in the first. Assuming we pick in the first at all.

[ModSocks]

You guys that are saying this is the worst defense on paper are looking at things all wrong.

What's the best way to beat a Mahomes led offense? Run the ball, control the clock, keep the ball out of Mahomes' hands.

What kind of guys have they signed? Big, strong, DE's that play the run well. Honey Badger, a known aggressive, head hunting safety.

Beef up front. Aggressive, talented safety added. A nice 2nd tier CB added.

You guys need to look beyond sack totals. We led the league in sacks yet lost three games giving up 40+.

If you can't run the ball on KC you're going to lose. That's job #1. So they've been working on job #1.

They're not done yet; but so far the moves make good, solid, fundamental sense.

Just remember that when you're complaining about opposing QB's having all day to throw.

It's been a long time since Chiefs fans have had to complain about that. It's coming.

Remember what happened in the AFCG?

The Chiefs adjusted and started putting big bodies in to stop the run. And it worked.

So then Brady dinked and dunked us to death in the 2nd half.

You need a complete defense. Otherwise what you don't do well will be exploited. The Rams didn't need to run the ball to drop 50+ on us because we couldn't cover.

The Chiefs put beef on the line and the Pats adjusted.

[kgrund]

You guys that are saying this is the worst defense on paper are looking at things all wrong.

What's the best way to beat a Mahomes led offense? Run the ball, control the clock, keep the ball out of Mahomes' hands.

What kind of guys have they signed? Big, strong, DE's that play the run well. Honey Badger, a known aggressive, head hunting safety.

Beef up front. Aggressive, talented safety added. A nice 2nd tier CB added.

You guys need to look beyond sack totals. We led the league in sacks yet lost three games giving up 40+.

If you can't run the ball on KC you're going to lose. That's job #1. So they've been working on job #1.

They're not done yet; but so far the moves make good, solid, fundamental sense.

Talked about this a ton during the year. Veach IMO saw this scenario LAST year. Was reason I believe most of his moves last year were designed to address the run D. He wanted (wants) to prevent the other team from slowing the game down, which was what everybody tried to do once they saw their D could not stop our O.

[St. Patty's Fire]

You guys that are saying this is the worst defense on paper are looking at things all wrong.

What's the best way to beat a Mahomes led offense? Run the ball, control the clock, keep the ball out of Mahomes' hands.

What kind of guys have they signed? Big, strong, DE's that play the run well. Honey Badger, a known aggressive, head hunting safety.

Beef up front. Aggressive, talented safety added. A nice 2nd tier CB added.

You guys need to look beyond sack totals. We led the league in sacks yet lost three games giving up 40+.

If you can't run the ball on KC you're going to lose. That's job #1. So they've been working on job #1.

They're not done yet; but so far the moves make good, solid, fundamental sense.

Yup.

I’d much rather get into a shootout than a slogfest with this roster, and the Patriots had free reign to play whatever style they wanted.

[ModSocks]

Talked about this a ton during the year. Veach IMO saw this scenario LAST year. Was reason I believe most of his moves last year were designed to address the run D. He wanted (wants) to prevent the other team from slowing the game down, which was what everybody tried to do once they saw their D could not stop our O.

The talk of improving the Run D was established by the coaches and players well, well before we knew what had in this offense.

And that stemmed from being ran all over by the Titans in the playoffs.

Have you forgotten the countless fluff pieces and player quotes about fixing the run D last off-season?

[O.city]

In a league geared towards the throwing the football, the Chiefs have built a defense to …….checks notes...…..stop the run.

Maybe they just figure we're gonna score a lot of points may as well let the other team score fast to get the ball back quicker?

[Best22]

Just remember that when you're complaining about opposing QB's having all day to throw.

It's been a long time since Chiefs fans have had to complain about that. It's coming.
.

Long time? What?

Chief fans were complaining about that very thing in 2016 and 2017.

This 2018 pass rush was a huge surprise

[Best22]

In a league geared towards the throwing the football, the Chiefs have built a defense to …….checks notes...…..stop the run.

Maybe they just figure we're gonna score a lot of points may as well let the other team score fast to get the ball back quicker?

We’ve lost our last three playoff games at Arrowhead by (in large part) surrendering 170+ yards on the ground 3 times on average.

If we had an average run defense in those games, and we win them all. It is a HUGE need

[St. Patty's Fire]

In a league geared towards the throwing the football, the Chiefs have built a defense to …….checks notes...…..stop the run.

Maybe they just figure we're gonna score a lot of points may as well let the other team score fast to get the ball back quicker?

Did you see how the Patriots won their playoff games?

It wasn’t the passing game. Their power run game was dominant.

[O.city]

Yeah, the Pats won those games with a dominant running game and the best QB and HC to ever play. Just stop using them as a measuring stick for anything. They've won SB"s throwing it, passing it, defense.

Just stop. No more "the Pats did this, they did that" bullshit. We aren't reproducing that, that's not how we're gonna win.

The last 3 losses in Arrowhead also had a half in which the offense didn't score a point, one in which they scored 3 points, and one in which they didn't give up a TD and still lost.

For fuck sake guys.

[The Franchise]

Yeah, the Pats won those games with a dominant running game and the best QB and HC to ever play. Just stop using them as a measuring stick for anything. They've won SB"s throwing it, passing it, defense.

Just stop. No more "the Pats did this, they did that" bullshit. We aren't reproducing that, that's not how we're gonna win.

The last 3 losses in Arrowhead also had a half in which the offense didn't score a point, one in which they scored 3 points, and one in which they didn't give up a TD and still lost.

For fuck sake guys.

This.

[St. Patty's Fire]

Yeah, the Pats won those games with a dominant running game and the best QB and HC to ever play. Just stop using them as a measuring stick for anything. They've won SB"s throwing it, passing it, defense.

Just stop. No more "the Pats did this, they did that" bullshit. We aren't reproducing that, that's not how we're gonna win.

The last 3 losses in Arrowhead also had a half in which the offense didn't score a point, one in which they scored 3 points, and one in which they didn't give up a TD and still lost.

For fuck sake guys.

I’m not using them as a measuring stick. For better or worse, we kind of have to build a defense tailored to stopping the Pats. They’re still our biggest obstacle.

Regardless, the death of the running game in football is greatly exaggerated. Having a good run defense is just as important as having a good pass defense, even nowadays. Even a high flying team like the Rams has their offense built around the running game.

[O.city]

I’m not using them as a measuring stick. For better or worse, we kind of have to build a defense tailored to stopping the Pats. They’re still our biggest obstacle.

Regardless, the death of the running game in football is greatly exaggerated. Having a good run defense is just as important as having a good pass defense, even nowadays. Even a high flying team like the Rams has their offense built around the running game.

Except it's not.

Look at the efficiency of scoring throwing it vs running it etc

[Best22]

Except it's not.

Look at the efficiency of scoring throwing it vs running it etc

Funny, if 2016 Pittsburgh had ran the ball more in the Divisional, the game probably would’ve been a blowout.

Our pass rush won’t be as good this year so it’s important to be better everywhere else...our back end. And be stronger vs the run. If they are all those things (I’m skeptical yet optimistic)...Superbowl

[Chris Meck]

You need a complete defense.

You literally took my entire elaborate, long winded, convoluted point and condensed it into one simple declarative sentence. You like Hemingway'd that shit. Perfect.

I couldn't agree more.

[St. Patty's Fire]

Except it's not.

Look at the efficiency of scoring throwing it vs running it etc

It’s almost as if there’s more to running the football than just Y/A.

[JakeF]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach said he talks to coach Reid “about 10 times per day.”</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/1118921934002110465?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Of course, Reid is telling Veach what to do. #FootShufflingPorter

[Chris Meck]

It’s almost as if there’s more to running the football than just Y/A.

I know, right? Crazy.

[ModSocks]

Did you see how the Patriots won their playoff games?

It wasn’t the passing game. Their power run game was dominant.

Brady put 350 yards on the Chiefs while the Pat's run game averaged less than 4YPC.

It's simply not that cut and dry.

[St. Patty's Fire]

Brady put 350 yards on the Chiefs while the Pat's run game averaged less than 4YPC.

It's simply not that cut and dry.

Their passing game came through in crucial situations, yes - that I won’t argue - but, overall, I’d say the engine of the Patriots was the power run game.

I’m not necessarily arguing in favor of paying more attention to the run defense than the pass defense, though - just that having a run defense is just as important as having a pass defense. And that saying “the running game is dying!” is an incorrect narrative.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

The Chiefs didn’t have an even average run or pass defense last year, so it really doesn’t matter. To have even one of those would be an upgrade.

[ModSocks]

Their passing game came through in crcuial situations, yes - that I won’t argue - but, overall, I’d say the engine of the Patriots was the power run game.

I’m not necessarily arguing in favor of paying more attention to the run defense than the pass defense, though - just that having a run defense is just as important as having a pass defense.

Well of course. The goal is to have a complete defense. Otherwise, you'll be exposed.

Beat by the pass or beat by the run. Beat is beat. Im not emphasizing a specific need for either. They both have to be addressed. Which means we still need pass rushers, whether they're acquired from the draft, trade or FA.

If you have a solid run defense and no pass rush all you'll be doing is getting frustrated with these damn 3rd and 8 conversions.

[Chris Meck]

Well of course. The goal is to have a complete defense. Otherwise, you'll be exposed.

Beat by the pass or beat by the run. Beat is beat. Im not emphasizing a specific need for either. They both have to be addressed. Which means we still need pass rushers, whether they're acquired from the draft, trade or FA.

If you have a solid run defense and no pass rush all you'll be doing is getting frustrated with these damn 3rd and 8 conversions.

yeah, well, nobody's saying we don't need a pass rush, and nobody's saying we don't need to add talent.

[MahiMike]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach said he talks to coach Reid “about 10 times per day.”</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/1118921934002110465?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Is he bringing him au jus sandwiches?

[RunKC]

Remember what happened in the AFCG?


Sure do. The guys we got rid of did not do jack shit except cost us the game.

Not a single sack, hit or pressure on the QB.

[In58men]

I have no fucking idea what player or position they go.

They have so many fucking options.

Not one glaring hole!!!!!!!

[ModSocks]

yeah, well, nobody's saying we don't need a pass rush, and nobody's saying we don't need to add talent.

Well....i wouldn't say NOBODY is saying that. You should see the shit i get around here for proposing that this defense still needs more talent.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I don’t think they’re too bad at S right now actually. If HB plays your full season, that group is probably good enough as is to be fine. When Berry was playing full seasons, they were pretty good. Now, they could still add one, even early, and take that position to an ultimate strength. But I don’t think it’s a must have necessarily.

They’ve got a few guys at corner who are starter caliber, but two are due to be FAs next year. So I think that’s a big need. Plus, it’s such a valuable position anyways.

LB, like S, isn’t a must have. But they could definitely upgrade. I don’t see it happening though because Bush and White will be long gone. The current crop of LBs is good enough IF you get 2017 versions of Hitchens and/or Ragland.

Interior DL is set for the most part. Could maybe use an upgrade behind Jones at 3T, or they could just move a bigger end like Speaks or Ogbah inside on some passing downs.

Then of course there’s DE where they could definitely use another starter. Again, the depth there isn’t too bad right now, but the current crop leaves some to be desired in terms of rushing the QB.

In summary, I think they’re a few draft picks (or trade acquisitions) away from being really solid. They could easily look like a top 20 unit after next weekend.

[ModSocks]

Sure do. The guys we got rid of did not do jack shit except cost us the game.

Not a single sack, hit or pressure on the QB.

Neither did Bosa and Ingram the week before.

That was Brady & Bill. They implemented a plan to protect Brady as much as possible with quick short routes and a run game. If our DB's could cover for more than a second and not leave Edleman uncovered it woulda been quite different im sure.

[RunKC]

Neither did Bosa and Ingram the week before.

That was Brady & Bill. They implemented a plan to protect Brady as much as possible with quick short routes and a run game. If our DB's could cover for more than a second and not leave Edleman uncovered it woulda been quite different im sure.

But that’s exactly what they are trying to fix. That’s been their entire objective.

They got bigger DE’s who can stuff the run as well as a LB who fits that profile.
Honey Badger is arguably the best safety in the middle of the field in the league. The guy has played a ton of slot corner.

Pass rush is overrated against Brady now. He gets rid of the ball so quickly that it doesn’t matter.

Stop the run, increase your coverage in the middle of the field and make that fucker beat you outside the numbers or deep down the field.

That’s exactly how we beat them in 2017.

[RustShack]

Worst case scenario- defense as bad as last year
Likely scenario- defense is better

[staylor26]

The people that think our pass rush is just going to completely disappear are really underestimating how good Jones is.

Guys like Okafor and Speaks can get sacks with a guy like Jones wrecking havoc inside. We aren’t exactly the 2018 Rams in terms of edge rush talent.

Don’t get me wrong, we will miss Ford and Houston, but people talk about our pas rush like Chris Jones doesn’t even exist.

[BryanBusby]

They're going to be better simply because werthers isn't around to half ass everything anymore. If they can land an good corner to go with the current group than they'll be in pretty good shape.

[St. Patty's Fire]

In summary, I think they’re a few draft picks (or trade acquisitions) away from being really solid. They could easily look like a top 20 unit after next weekend.

I’m very hopeful that the new defensive coaching does a lot of the work for us, there. Not nearly all of it, of course, but Sutton was unexaggeratedly the worst defensive coordinator in football by the end of the season. Tony Romo literally couldn’t believe how pathetically predictable our defense was. Sutton not only sucked, it seemed as if he didn’t give a shit, and it resonated with the players. I’m thinking that Spags will be a lot more involved with the guys during the game than Sutton was. Sutton looked like he didn’t even care when Peters was reaming him, the man was fucking pathetic.

[St. Patty's Fire]

The people that think our pass rush is just going to completely disappear are really underestimating how good Jones is.

Guys like Okafor and Speaks can get sacks with a guy like Jones wrecking havoc inside. We aren’t exactly the 2018 Rams in terms of edge rush talent.

Don’t get me wrong, we will miss Ford and Houston, but people talk about our pas rush like Chris Jones doesn’t even exist.
It’s as if people don’t even acknowledge his existence lol, he’s likely the guy who was letting Ford and Houston rack up the sacks.

He is and always was “the piece” on this D line, he’s the guy you build around. I’d say just one pass rusher at edge will do us fine. Go get Clark or Clowney or move up for a guy and let them feast.

[Iconic]

Can you guys imagine Greedy Williams in a Chiefs uniform.

I think I might cum.

brb

[New World Order]

]We only had 3 last year and they were all pass rushers who did nothing against NE and yet we still should have won.[/B]

Just draft 4 guys next week who will either start or play more than 50% of the time and call it good.

That’s why I’m worried it might be worse.

[ModSocks]

It’s as if people don’t even acknowledge his existence lol, he’s likely the guy who was letting Ford and Houston rack up the sacks.

He is and always was “the piece” on this D line, he’s the guy you build around. I’d say just one pass rusher at edge will do us fine. Go get Clark or Clowney or move up for a guy and let them feast.

Houston and Ford were racking up sacks long before Jones was around. So that doesn't even make sense.

If anything you could argue that Houston/Ford allowed Jones to get free, as they were well established threats long before Jones blossomed.

Jones is a great player, don't get me wrong. But we're going to need more than one guy.

I hope Speaks is that guy. I think he could be. But he hasn't proven that yet, therefore it's nothing more than hope.

[New World Order]

Can you guys imagine Greedy Williams in a Chiefs uniform.

I think I might cum.

brb

Greedy looks like a taller version of Denzel Ward.

Yes please

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

You guys that are saying this is the worst defense on paper are looking at things all wrong.

What's the best way to beat a Mahomes led offense? Run the ball, control the clock, keep the ball out of Mahomes' hands.

What kind of guys have they signed? Big, strong, DE's that play the run well. Honey Badger, a known aggressive, head hunting safety.

Beef up front. Aggressive, talented safety added. A nice 2nd tier CB added.

You guys need to look beyond sack totals. We led the league in sacks yet lost three games giving up 40+.

If you can't run the ball on KC you're going to lose. That's job #1. So they've been working on job #1.

They're not done yet; but so far the moves make good, solid, fundamental sense.


Great post and I totally agree.

[FlorentinePogen]

Would love to get our hands on a top cornerback prospect with our first pick. Also salivating at the thought of the immediate impact a guy like AJ Brown or Hollywood would make in this offense. AJ seems like the most complete receiver in the draft with great physicality and YAC ability, without the injury concern of Hollywood. Hopefully all four top QB prospects go early so there is someone elite for us to nab at our current position or at a reasonable trade-up. I am leaning more and more towards BPA.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

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[RunKC]

So Veach said that Spags is a secondary coach by trait and the corners and safeties were the first group they looked at.

I don’t think he’s bluffing. I think we are looking heavily at secondary. Hell maybe they take a corner and safety in 2 of the first 3 picks.

[The Franchise]

So Veach said that Spags is a secondary coach by trait and the corners and safeties were the first group they looked at.

I don’t think he’s bluffing. I think we are looking heavily at secondary. Hell maybe they take a corner and safety in 2 of the first 3 picks.

Adderley and Bunting/Love.
Murphy and Savage/Thornhill

[In58men]

Adderley and Bunting/Love.
Murphy and Savage/Thornhill

All in for that.

Let’s help our MVP!!!!!!!

[SAUTO]

So Veach said that Spags is a secondary coach by trait and the corners and safeties were the first group they looked at.

I don’t think he’s bluffing. I think we are looking heavily at secondary. Hell maybe they take a corner and safety in 2 of the first 3 picks.I agree.

They beefed up the run d and now work on the pass d

[staylor26]

Adderley and Bunting/Love.
Murphy and Savage/Thornhill

:whackit:

[patteeu]

It depends on what they do next, I wouldn't necessarily hate an offensive player in the first. Regardless of who they pick and where they pick the defense needs to show marked improvement. Another year of a sieve for a defense and heads need to roll.

Heads have been rolling, so hopefully they'll get it moving in the right direction this year.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Hill for Clowney
Hollywood 1st
Trade 4 2nds for PP and Clark

/OShitty

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“I think the LB class and the safety class is a little thin to be honest.”<br><br>- Brett Veach, who said he likes the depth at DL, TE and a few others. Said he sees a wave of tackles going in the first round.</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/1118922828567412737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! MY GM ISN'T A FUCKING RETARD! HALLELUJAH!

[RunKC]

Matt Miller mentioned Juan Thornhill to us in his rumors podcast a couple days ago. I’ve heard ESPN and NFLN both say he’s likely going in the first.

I haven’t really looked at him until now but damn do I like him. Size, speed, above average ball production in back-to-back years, has played corner as well as safety and has double-digit career tackles for loss.

This might be the guy if we want a safety

[Tribal Warfare]

I read this and it started to trigger an anger response from all the times I heard crap like this out of Carl and Pioli's mouth.

Then I remembered who our QB is.

It's like when you're taking a big shit, and the extra push you need to complete the job is to recall Carl and Scott said we don't need to draft a QB.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Matt Miller mentioned Juan Thornhill to us in his rumors podcast a couple days ago. I’ve heard ESPN and NFLN both say he’s likely going in the first.

I haven’t really looked at him until now but damn do I like him. Size, speed, above average ball production in back-to-back years, has played corner as well as safety and has double-digit career tackles for loss.

This might be the guy if we want a safety

Can see that for sure. True centerfielder, and we know they have interest in that based on the Earl Thomas situation.

[Tribal Warfare]

Can see that for sure. True centerfielder, and we know they have interest in that based on the Earl Thomas situation.

IMO, the 1st pick will be passrusher considering the current personnel and Veach being as aggressive as he is. If Brett was conservative and stayed at the #29 spot with talent cluster/hotspots then DB is a big possibility. Veach has said he'd rather trade up to get a player he wants instead of waiting and risking not getting them.

[SAUTO]

So Veach said that Spags is a secondary coach by trait and the corners and safeties were the first group they looked at.

I don’t think he’s bluffing. I think we are looking heavily at secondary. Hell maybe they take a corner and safety in 2 of the first 3 picks.

Thinking more about this and I can also see it as the exact opposite of this.

Maybe they were looking to try and find the sleeper guys. Like a "can we save draft capital in this area by getting a guy later and coaching him up" situation.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

IMO, the 1st pick will be passrusher considering the current personnel and Veach being as aggressive as he is. If Brett was conservative and stayed at the #29 spot with talent cluster/hotspots then DB is a big possibility. Veach has said he'd rather trade up to get a player he wants instead of waiting and risking not getting them.

True but he also said the safety position was thin today, and he likes to get those thinner spots filled early while they can. So Thornhill could very well be their guy at 29 (if they elect to stick there).

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

True but he also said the safety position was thin today, and he likes to get those thinner spots filled early while they can. So Thornhill could very well be their guy at 29 (if they elect to stick there).


You seriously interpret that quote as being, "I need to jump on a Safety early"?

He's saying, in a very courteous way, that the talent isn't there. NOT that there's "two or less guys worth a pick".

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

If the LB class is shit( and it is ), there's only one way to interpret that tweet.

[Chief Roundup]

The full press conference.


https://www.chiefs.com/video/brett-veach-talks-about-his-approach-to-the-2019-nfl-draft

[SAUTO]

He's saying, in a very courteous way, that the talent isn't there. NOT that there's "two or less guys worth a pick".

That's not how I took it. I took it as there's a limited amount of guys we would be interested in. Not that there's none...

[kc-nd]

https://www.inforum.com/sports/football/1007906-Former-Bison-quarterback-Stick-meets-with-Chiefs-Chargers

Chiefs looking at a quarterback. One I watched for years, both as a starter and as a backup to Carson Wentz.

Maybe a good backup and trade bait in the future when a team is desperate for a QB.

[Coogs]

Well, offense-wise, I'd say Fant or Hockensen. 2 TE sets would be tough to stop. Marquis Brown or AJ Brown. That would make your 3 WR sets pretty unstoppable. Any of those guys would be interesting, no?

Defense- I'd say Tillery, Dexter Lawrence even though it's not really a need position, holy shit he's a game wrecker. Simmons doesn't help you this year, but you'd wreck worlds in '20. It's possible that Ferrell could fall. Greedy or Murphy could fall to #29. They would make your CB group pretty solid.

People reach for QB's. Lots of new head coaches that are going to want their guy. Some interesting players are going to drop.

Solid list!

[MahiMike]

I have no ****ing idea what player or position they go.

They have so many ****ing options.

Not one glaring hole!!!!!!!

WR?

[Lzen]

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[TambaBerry]

So, the vikings have less then 2m cap space. I bet we trade for one of their CB before or during the draft

[Red Dawg]

So QB is off the table. Why? We could have a Mahomes and Dwayne duo. Dwayne starts and Mahomes is the closer.

Well......ok....I guess we really don't need one. I will forgive Veach for letting out that QB is off the table.

[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> GM Brett Veach explains the process of figuring out the &quot;framework&quot; of draft trades...and what&#39;s going on 10-12 picks before they&#39;re set to make a pick. <a href="https://t.co/IOpLdMMkT5">pic.twitter.com/IOpLdMMkT5</a></p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/1119271472474796032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 19, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> GM Brett Veach explains the process of figuring out the &quot;framework&quot; of draft trades...and what&#39;s going on 10-12 picks before they&#39;re set to make a pick. <a href="https://t.co/IOpLdMMkT5">pic.twitter.com/IOpLdMMkT5</a></p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/1119271472474796032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 19, 2019</a></blockquote>
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I love this man. He so insightful in what goes in. Very open about things

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

We are not picking a fucking Safety or LB up high because there is little to no talent worth that pick. Maybe at 29 if they fall( which they should because they suck, every last one of them ), but there will be no engineered trade up for either of those positions.

For the Eighty Billionth fucking time:

If the Chiefs engineer a trade up, they are clearly targeting a DE with pass rushing capabilities, and not some fucking TE from Iowa or a "JaMaal Charles hopeful". Some of you guys are thinking as if we have a luxury pick in this draft. Newsflash: we do not.

You will learn. Yes, you will learn.

[tmax63]

The people that think our pass rush is just going to completely disappear are really underestimating how good Jones is.

Guys like Okafor and Speaks can get sacks with a guy like Jones wrecking havoc inside. We aren’t exactly the 2018 Rams in terms of edge rush talent.

Don’t get me wrong, we will miss Ford and Houston, but people talk about our pas rush like Chris Jones doesn’t even exist.

People make it sound like they're going to line up 9 guys on defense since DF and JH are gone. NEWSFLASH The Chiefs will be able to line up 11 men on the defensive side of the ball. The guys taking their spots will, in fact, produce some tackles, sacks, tackles for loss and other measurable production to offset some of what was lost. Anyone who lines for 4 games will replace 2 years of EB's production.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

We are not picking a fucking Safety or LB up high because there is little to no talent worth that pick. Maybe at 29 if they fall( which they should because they suck, every last one of them ), but there will be no engineered trade up for either of those positions.

For the Eighty Billionth fucking time:

If the Chiefs engineer a trade up, they are clearly targeting a DE with pass rushing capabilities, and not some fucking TE from Iowa or a "JaMaal Charles hopeful". Some of you guys are thinking as if we have a luxury pick in this draft. Newsflash: we do not.

You will learn. Yes, you will learn.

What? White and Bush suck? There aren’t any Eric Berry’s in the safety class, but there’s a few decent options between 25-50.

The Chiefs could absolutely take someone like Adderly at 29 and then lean on depth at other positions from rounds 2-5. Not guaranteed, but very possible.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

What? White and Bush suck? There aren’t any Eric Berry’s in the safety class, but there’s a few decent options between 25-50.

The Chiefs could absolutely take someone like Adderly at 29 and then lean on depth at other positions from rounds 2-5. Not guaranteed, but very possible.

Sure, "decent". Maybe "decent" enough to pick up at 29, just like I said. And if they stay at 29, they need to take BPA within the context of need(s). Where that could fall could be anywhere.

Name me one Linebacker in this draft worth #18 or higher.

[Chargem]

Sure, "decent". Maybe "decent" enough to pick up at 29, just like I said. And if they stay at 29, they need to take BPA within the context of need(s). Where that could fall could be anywhere.

Name me one Linebacker in this draft worth #18 or higher.

He literally did in the post you quoted, Devin White.

I'm not saying the Chiefs should or would trade up for him, but he's worth 18 or higher for sure.

[The Franchise]

Sure, "decent". Maybe "decent" enough to pick up at 29, just like I said. And if they stay at 29, they need to take BPA within the context of need(s). Where that could fall could be anywhere.

Name me one Linebacker in this draft worth #18 or higher.

Devin White.

And I can almost guarantee that Devin Bush is going higher than #18 as well.

[RunKC]

There are so many quality #2 caliber corners to be had in rd 2 that I think we shouldn’t take one in the first unless it’s Murphy.

I’m still sticking with DL bc Andy loves lineman and it is the strength at the top.

[RealSNR]

https://www.inforum.com/sports/football/1007906-Former-Bison-quarterback-Stick-meets-with-Chiefs-Chargers

Chiefs looking at a quarterback. One I watched for years, both as a starter and as a backup to Carson Wentz.

Maybe a good backup and trade bait in the future when a team is desperate for a QB.
I'd like to see us bring in Stick as an undrafted guy, but then see what would happen if we converted him to WR.

It's been done before, and I think if he's going to have an NFL career, it's going to be through that direction.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Devin White.

And I can almost guarantee that Devin Bush is going higher than #18 as well.

Are you ready to give up more than a trade and (1) 2 for White? Bush could possibly be had for just (1) 2, but you know both trade partners are going to push for more.

Are either of those players worth fucking off half of round 2 and possibly all of 3?

[Chris Meck]

anybody that's 100% certain about what Veach is going to do is full of shit.

I don't think Veach is even 100% certain. There are a lot of moving parts. Trade up, trade down, positional value, how the board falls. All of these are unknowns.

I can see CB, S, DE, DT, TE, WR, LB...depending on who falls and whether we stay or trade up/down.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

anybody that's 100% certain about what Veach is going to do is full of shit.

I don't think Veach is even 100% certain. There are a lot of moving parts. Trade up, trade down, positional value, how the board falls. All of these are unknowns.

I can see CB, S, DE, DT, TE, WR, LB...depending on who falls and whether we stay or trade up/down.

I am 1,000,000,000% certain that the above strikes will NOT be taken in the 1st round by the Chiefs.
:harumph:

[Buckweath]

anybody that's 100% certain about what Veach is going to do is full of shit.

I don't think Veach is even 100% certain. There are a lot of moving parts. Trade up, trade down, positional value, how the board falls. All of these are unknowns.

I can see CB, S, DE, DT, TE, WR, LB...depending on who falls and whether we stay or trade up/down.

In the 1st round, I just cannot see Veach drafting anything else than defense.

DT wont happen as Jones and Nnadi are obvious starters for the next few years.

S is unlikely as the Chiefs have Mathieu for at least 2 years plus other Watts, Lucas, etc.

LB would also surprise me in the 1st round.

DE or CB it will be.

Some fans here dont seem to realize it but the only player on contract the Chiefs will have at the end of this season at CB is Charvarius Ward.

It is like a guarantee that Veach drafts a CB in the 1st 2 rounds.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

I think the pick is Murphy

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

In the 1st round, I just cannot see Veach drafting anything else than defense.

DT wont happen as Jones and Nnadi are obvious starters for the next few years.

S is unlikely as the Chiefs have Mathieu for at least 2 years plus other Watts, Lucas, etc.

LB would also surprise me in the 1st round.

DE or CB it will be.

Some fans here dont seem to realize it but the only player on contract the Chiefs will have at the end of this season at CB is Charvarius Ward.



It is like a guarantee that Veach drafts a CB in the 1st 2 rounds.


Be that as it may, the DE's in this class are more talented than the CB's, so if Veach is moving up? DE it will be, and you'll see your CB in round 2.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

However I do think if adderly falls to us then we will take him. Veach said the safety class is thin

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

However I do think if adderly falls to us then we will take him. Veach said the safety class is thin

If we take Adderly at 29 instead of CB then we are dumber than a box of fucking rocks.

[Chris Meck]

I am 1,000,000,000% certain that the above strikes will NOT be taken in the 1st round by the Chiefs.
:harumph:

Any of those things could absolutely happen.

If Hock or Fant are there at #29, they'd clearly be the best player on the board.

Or Marquis Brown, or AJ Brown. Remember we don't know what the fuck's going on with Tyreek and Watkins always misses time. What if all the sudden we're trotting out D-Rob as our #1 receiver along with Dieter and Pringle?

I doubt Bush or White are there at #29, but if so many guys are rising, then that means someone has to fall.

I'm with you-I WANT a defense heavy draft, and I want them early and often.

and if you did something like AJ Brown at #29 and still got like Ya-Sin and Zach Allen in the 2nd? or Gardner-Johnson? Or Winovich?

Would you really be pissed? Some of these guys are going to fall. They have to.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Tyreek is the only true wild card in this whole scenario. But, how many WR's have the Chiefs been working out? Unless they plan to pull some kind of "October Surprise", I think we should read the writing on the wall.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Tyreek is the only true wild card in this whole scenario. But, how many WR's have the Chiefs been working out? Unless they plan to pull some kind of "October Surprise", I think we should read the writing on the wall.

I think Jordy Nelson was the only WR they had interest in. Other then that crickets

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I think Jordy Nelson was the only WR they had interest in. Other then that crickets

Then we listen to the sound of crickets and move on. When has there EVER been a case of the Chiefs taking 1st round pick and NOT working him out if he was available to do so?

[Buckweath]

Any of those things could absolutely happen.

If Hock or Fant are there at #29, they'd clearly be the best player on the board.

Or Marquis Brown, or AJ Brown. Remember we don't know what the ****'s going on with Tyreek and Watkins always misses time. What if all the sudden we're trotting out D-Rob as our #1 receiver along with Dieter and Pringle?

I doubt Bush or White are there at #29, but if so many guys are rising, then that means someone has to fall.

I'm with you-I WANT a defense heavy draft, and I want them early and often.

and if you did something like AJ Brown at #29 and still got like Ya-Sin and Zach Allen in the 2nd? or Gardner-Johnson? Or Winovich?

Would you really be pissed? Some of these guys are going to fall. They have to.
It bears repeating. There are very slim chances if any that they take a TE or WR in the 1st round.

When Veach says he likes the depth at WR and TE in the 2nd to 4th round, that tells me he is open to taking that position in those rounds but not in the 1st round.

Most important for me is defense and the Oline.

I'm not even a bit worried about the weapons with a QB like Mahomes.

You could tell me Hill will be suspended all season and Kelce injured all season and I still believe Mahomes would do his thing, as long as the Oline is decent.

[Chris Meck]

Personally, I think it's going to be either a CB (if Murphy, Greedy, or maybe Baker are there that's your 1st tier CB group) or Safety (Adderly, Thompson, possibly CGJ probably your top FS tier, talent drops off after).
I doubt it's DE/Edge because the top tier will probably be gone unless a Ferrell drops, but I doubt it. I fully expect a DE/Edge in round 2 though.

either way, I think we can all agree that by the end of round 3, we need to have nabbed a CB, a DE, and a S. So I'm cool with wherever they feel the value is at whichever time to get their guy. I'd like a WR in there too; I just don't feel solid about Tyreek being a question mark and Watkins an injury a season. Even Mahomes needs weapons.

[Chris Meck]

by the way, I think I'd draft a CB every year no matter what. The position is just so overvalued in dollars in the NFL I think you have to draft, develop, replace every few seasons in order to not have to overpay in free agency. We have what will be the most expensive QB in football, we're going to have to draft and develop the other costly positions ourselves.

[SAUTO]

If we take Adderly at 29 instead of CB then we are dumber than a box of fucking rocks.

This is an ignorant take.

What if the CBs they think fit are gone and the safety they see as a perfect fit is sitting there?

[Chargem]

This is an ignorant take.

What if the CBs they think fit are gone and the safety they see as a perfect fit is sitting there?

Amen.

[The Franchise]

This is an ignorant take.

What if the CBs they think fit are gone and the safety they see as a perfect fit is sitting there?

He doesn't care about that.

[Chargem]

In the 1st round, I just cannot see Veach drafting anything else than defense.

DT wont happen as Jones and Nnadi are obvious starters for the next few years.

S is unlikely as the Chiefs have Mathieu for at least 2 years plus other Watts, Lucas, etc.

LB would also surprise me in the 1st round.

DE or CB it will be.

Some fans here dont seem to realize it but the only player on contract the Chiefs will have at the end of this season at CB is Charvarius Ward.

It is like a guarantee that Veach drafts a CB in the 1st 2 rounds.

That's incorrect, they will have Tremon Smith as well.

The only DT on the roster after next year is Nnadi.

The only WR on the roster after next year are Watkins and Pringle.

I think they could take one of quite a few positions, but I sure as hell hope they choose to take a player on offense if that's the way the board falls. With a 1 and 2 2's, you can still add impact players on D with two of those three picks, just play the hand you get dealt rather than locking in on CB/DE

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

by the way, I think I'd draft a CB every year no matter what. The position is just so overvalued in dollars in the NFL I think you have to draft, develop, replace every few seasons in order to not have to overpay in free agency. We have what will be the most expensive QB in football, we're going to have to draft and develop the other costly positions ourselves.

Now this I agree with 100% There's always going to be that one guy who falls through the cracks every year, so why not continuously roll the dice late every year, and try to land the next Brandon Carr or better?

This is an ignorant take.

What if the CBs they think fit are gone and the safety they see as a perfect fit is sitting there?

He doesn't care about that.

If a CB that we desired is gone, then we didn't do our job. If the Chiefs are serious about grabbing a legitimate rd 1 contributor for day one play, we HAVE to leave #29, and that's all there is to it.

If however we wish to throw some dice on the defensive coaching staff that we just wooed in and paid for, then go ahead and stay at #29, take the BPA for your needs, and keep every one of your picks.

I've already addressed this; none of the Safeties in this draft are the complete package at Single High. If all we care about is ball-hawking and NOTHING ELSE, then yes there are some guys to be had. If I were drafting for SS, then it would STILL be slim pickings, but a slightly better story overall.

[The Franchise]

Now this I agree with 100% There's always going to be that one guy who falls through the cracks every year, so why not continuously roll the dice late every year, and try to land the next Brandon Carr or better?





If a CB that we desired is gone, then we didn't do our job. If the Chiefs are serious about grabbing a legitimate rd 1 contributor for day one play, we HAVE to leave #29, and that's all there is to it.

If however we wish to throw some dice on the defensive coaching staff that we just wooed in and paid for, then go ahead and stay at #29, take the BPA for your needs, and keep every one of your picks.

I've already addressed this; none of the Safeties in this draft are the complete package at Single High. If all we care about is ball-hawking and NOTHING ELSE, then yes there are some guys to be had. If I were drafting for SS, then it would STILL be slim pickings, but a slightly better story overall.

Define your "complete package" for a single high safety.

[New World Order]

We need a ****ing MLB who can get Ragland off the field in our base and Hitchens off when we go Nickel

That's easily our biggest need.

Give up a second and move down. I don't give a shit.

[RunKC]

We need a ****ing MLB who can get Ragland off the field in our base and Hitchens off when we go Nickel

That's easily our biggest need.

Give up a second and move down. I don't give a shit.

I think DOD, Hitchens and Attaochu are your LB’s on nickel and obvious passing downs.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Define your "complete package" for a single high safety.

Anticipation, tracking, TACKLING, finishing plays. Realizing there's more to football than the passing game and interceptions. Practicing sound fundamentals instead of trying to set up for the big hit and in turn losing yardage and getting burned.

And guess what? The only guy that got marks for the things I've outlined to you OUTSIDE of the ball-hawking was the kid from WSU Huskies, and he doesn't project as a pro single high per reports.

Adderly was praised for his tracking but condemned for his fundamentals as well as the fact that he played in a division that might as well be where Fisher came from. I see that kid getting his ass burned in the NFL, and deeply. IMO, every single one of those guys that you would want to take for single high is going to take more work to properly function at this level than one should have to invest in a first round pick.
And you're right; there aren't any Eric Berry's in this draft. But there ARE a lot of Bernard Pollards, so to speak.

So...

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

We need a ****ing MLB who can get Ragland off the field in our base and Hitchens off when we go Nickel

That's easily our biggest need.

Give up a second and move down. I don't give a shit.

And the only two worth a fuck are likely to be gone before the draft hits #15.

[kccrow]

And the only two worth a fuck are likely to be gone before the draft hits #15.

No team has ever found a linebacker out of the top 15.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

No team has ever found a linebacker out of the top 15.

I'm sure they have, but a TOP LB? In this draft?

[kccrow]

I'm sure they have, but a TOP LB? In this draft?

Many of the top LBs in the league didn't come from the first round. It's a traditionally undervalued position. There are other LBs in this draft that are pretty good depending on need.

For KC, in particular, I'd say Mack Wilson, Bobby Okereke, Cole Holcomb, Vosean Joseph, Germaine Pratt, and Blake Cashman are the higher ones on my list.

I'd like if KC moved up for Wilson in Round 2 if they don't make a move in round 1.

[SAUTO]

And the only two worth a fuck are likely to be gone before the draft hits #15.

Didn't you just say there isn't a lb that's going in the top 15?

[SAUTO]

Sure, "decent". Maybe "decent" enough to pick up at 29, just like I said. And if they stay at 29, they need to take BPA within the context of need(s). Where that could fall could be anywhere.

Name me one Linebacker in this draft worth #18 or higher.
I was wrong. 18.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Many of the top LBs in the league didn't come from the first round. It's a traditionally undervalued position. There are other LBs in this draft that are pretty good depending on need.

For KC, in particular, I'd say Mack Wilson, Bobby Okereke, Cole Holcomb, Vosean Joseph, Germaine Pratt, and Blake Cashman are the higher ones on my list.

I'd like if KC moved up for Wilson in Round 2 if they don't make a move in round 1.

Then maybe Veach is looking to pick one up in the 2nd if he stands pat?

[kccrow]

Then maybe Veach is looking to pick one up in the 2nd if he stands pat?

Based on the prospects we know KC has looked at, he seems to be looking in that 2nd to 4th range and then a slew of later ones.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Why not move whatever you had to in order to get the best DE? Jones is our strongest proven asset on this defense. It seems to me the smart move is to build off that strength instead of trying to spread "okay" talent around the rest of the field. It's possible that we could end up with a very dominant line were we to go that route, and that would forgive a lot of weaknesses in other areas.

[kccrow]

Why not move whatever you had to in order to get the best DE? Jones is our strongest proven asset on this defense. It seems to me the smart move is to build off that strength instead of trying to spread "okay" talent around the rest of the field. It's possible that we could end up with a very dominant line were we to go that route, and that would forgive a lot of weaknesses in other areas.

I've been advocating that if Ferrell drops to 14/15 range, give up the 2020 1st and go up and get him. Still have what should be a really high 2nd next year to get back into the end of round 1 if so inclined. Probably trading a low 20's to 30's 1st anyhow.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I've been advocating that if Ferrell drops to 14/15 range, give up the 2020 1st and go up and get him. Still have what should be a really high 2nd next year to get back into the end of round 1 if so inclined. Probably trading a low 20's to 30's 1st anyhow.

If we kept both of our 2019 2's, I have no problem with that.

[Chiefshrink]

It’s gonna be really interesting to see if Veach does wind up taking someone like Hollywood Brown.

As much as they need defense, a pickup like that might have Mahomes putting up record breaking numbers yet again this season.

My gut say's the same. We go offense with 1st pick whether it be WR,TE(trade up)or OL. Mahomes is our 'bread and butter' thus we must protect him so that he can produce.:thumb:

[Buckweath]

I've been advocating that if Ferrell drops to 14/15 range, give up the 2020 1st and go up and get him. Still have what should be a really high 2nd next year to get back into the end of round 1 if so inclined. Probably trading a low 20's to 30's 1st anyhow.

Terrible move IMO.

Still have what should be a really high 2nd next year? The 49ers could literally be 8-8 or even better next year so it doesnt make sense.

[Buckweath]

1st round pick will be DE or CB.

[Iconic]

Ferrell is not worth two first round picks. What the hell.

[RustShack]

BPA

[kccrow]

Terrible move IMO.

Still have what should be a really high 2nd next year? The 49ers could literally be 8-8 or even better next year so it doesnt make sense.

The 49ers are picking 2nd overall this year. The chances of them picking in the top half of round 2 next year are pretty good.

[kccrow]

Ferrell is not worth two first round picks. What the hell.

He's a better player than Marcus Davenport and the Saints gave up two low 1sts to get him at 14. We'll agree to disagree.

I'd love if one of these guys slid, it is not happening.

Washington at 15 could look to replace Preston Smith but need alot of help on offense and could be a nice trade partner as they begin rebuilding.
Carolina at 16 needs to replace Peppers.
If the Giants go something other than Edge at 6, they need at 17.
The Titans could go that route at 19.
The Steelers at 20 may look to replace Bud Dupree, and with no future deal made it seems likely.
The Seahawks at 21 are talking about trading Frank Clark so they may be looking to replace him.
The Ravens at 22 lost a bunch of talent defensively, including Zadarius Smith and Terrell Suggs, so you know they are in the hunt.
The Texans at 23 may look to replace Jadeveon Clowney, and with the trade talks seems likely.
The Raiders, depending on what happens at 4, may need a pass rusher at 24.

If you want a good pass rusher to play LDE, you either are moving up to 14 or 15 (probably takes a 1st) or you aren't getting one. That's how I see it.

[Buckweath]

The 49ers are picking 2nd overall this year. The chances of them picking in the top half of round 2 next year are pretty good.

Expect that pick to be right around the middle of the 2nd round.

They lost Garoppolo for the season in case you forgot.

They should be an average team this year.

[Halfcan]

Not a fan of giving up picks- especially a 1st rounder. If anything, the Chiefs should trade back into the 2nd round and amass more picks. We have a lot of spots that need an upgrade.

[Buckweath]

I would only give up next year's first for Clowney. I would love such a move.

[RunKC]

I would only give up next year's first for Clowney. I would love such a move.

Nope. Don’t pay huge money for career underachievers

[Chris Meck]

I would only give up next year's first for Clowney. I would love such a move.

when you're going to be picking at the end of each round, there are no sure things. That's why you need MORE picks, not less.

Clowney's a good player, but he's expensive. I'd rather not. I'd rather throw a couple of highish picks at the position.

I think a Zach Allen/Omenihu/Jaylon Ferguson in the 2nd is a better move for the team.

I think that Clowney money would be better spent nabbing a couple of players late in free agency to fill whatever spots you need filled after the draft.

This defense will not be about two or three stars lining up and beating their opponent across the line straight up. It'll be about fundamentally sound TEAM defense and creating confusion via scheme.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

My Spidey Senses tell me that Clowney would ultimately be a poor investment for KC.

[Chris Meck]

My Spidey Senses tell me that Clowney would ultimately be a poor investment for KC.

I agree. Good player, but not at the cost.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I agree. Good player, but not at the cost.

Just a feeling, nothing more.

[Chief Northman]

They might not be available, but I rather the Chiefs pursue a veteran corner in trade as opposed to the edge rushers (Clark/Clowney). Guys like Rhodes/Peterson or to a lesser degree Howard. You would pay less in average salary/cap per season, and could draft replacements in the meantime. Big $ investments at the 2nd highest paying position on guys with spotty backgrounds does not make a lot of sense if looking to extend Mahomes and Jones.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

They might not be available, but I rather the Chiefs pursue a veteran corner in trade as opposed to the edge rushers (Clark/Clowney). Guys like Rhodes/Peterson or to a lesser degree Howard. You would pay less in average salary/cap per season, and could draft replacements in the meantime. Big $ investments at the 2nd highest paying position on guys with spotty backgrounds does not make a lot of sense if looking to extend Mahomes and Jones.

I believe the two or three Corners we were looking at a few weeks back weren't able to get anything done on the phone or at the table. Ideally, it would be great to enter the draft with a Patrick Peterson or one of the guys from Minnesota on the roster so that we could nab a stud DE, but it looks like any feasible options may have already passed.

[Chris Meck]

Well, I imagine we won't see much movement until after the draft. Depending on how the board falls, you might see some guys move afterwards depending on who their team drafted.

[RunKC]

Well, I imagine we won't see much movement until after the draft. Depending on how the board falls, you might see some guys move afterwards depending on who their team drafted.

Ideally Seattle won’t be able to trade Frank Clark next weekend giving us the leverage needed to trade the Dee Ford 2020 pick instead of one of our 2019 2nd rd picks.

[Buckweath]

Nope. Don’t pay huge money for career underachievers

Well he is just widely viewed as one of the best defensive players in the game.

[Halfcan]

My Spidey Senses tell me that Clowney would ultimately be a poor investment for KC.

:clap:

Maybe for a 2nd rounder - max.

[kccrow]

Expect that pick to be right around the middle of the 2nd round.

They lost Garoppolo for the season in case you forgot.

They should be an average team this year.

I didn't forget. That doesn't make them a good football team and I still don't see them rising above the 3rd spot in their division. They also don't have the most cupcake schedule in the league. They play the AFC North, none of which are an easy out. They have Seattle and LA in their own division, they have NO on the road, and they host GB, ATL, and CAR.

If I'm being generous right now I'm thinking 7-9. I think they win alot early, but that last 6 game stretch for them is hell.

[Chiefshrink]

No team has ever found a linebacker out of the top 15.

Panthers - Luke Kuechly - 9th overall pick - 1st rd.

[Chiefshrink]

I would only give up next year's first for Clowney. I would love such a move.

Clowney is an awesome athlete for sure BUT he is not a hard nosed lunch pail kind of player, meaning he is way too soft for me. Injuries scare me away from this guy for sure.

[Halfcan]

Clowney is an awesome athlete for sure BUT he is not a hard nosed lunch pail kind of player, meaning he is way too soft for me. Injuries scare me away from this guy for sure.

Hard to take a guy serious with "Clown" in his name. :) If he was straight up John Wayne Gacy type of killer clown- he would be right for this D. But he does have a bit of soft Bozo the clown mixed in, so that gives me pause, plus I don't like clowns, they creep me out.

[Chargem]

Well he is just widely viewed as one of the best defensive players in the game.

He's just not that great at rushing the passer. He's an excellent run defender on the edge but that doesn't deserve the big bucks, and he's had the benefit of playing with Watt where you know Watt is the guy getting chips, doubles etc. and he still hasn't ever produced sack wise.

Panthers - Luke Kuechly - 9th overall pick - 1st rd.

I think you misunderstood what Crow was saying.

[raidersnumber1]

Just watched it and wow I am so thankful that Dorsey got let go in favor of this guy. Veach seems equally as arrogant as he is clueless as a NFL GM. Meanwhile, Dorsey went on to turn Cleveland around in just a year's time. Feel bad for Mahomes tho as his best years will be wasted because your GM couldn't put together a good supporting cast and oh fat Andy's still the coach. Sad!

[Chris Meck]

Just watched it and wow I am so thankful that Dorsey got let go in favor of this guy. Veach seems equally as arrogant as he is clueless as a NFL GM. Meanwhile, Dorsey went on to turn Cleveland around in just a year's time. Feel bad for Mahomes tho as his best years will be wasted because your GM couldn't put together a good supporting cast and oh fat Andy's still the coach. Sad!

boy are you a dumbfuck. It must be frustrating to always be the dumbest motherfucker in every room you walk into.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Just watched it and wow I am so thankful that Dorsey got let go in favor of this guy. Veach seems equally as arrogant as he is clueless as a NFL GM. Meanwhile, Dorsey went on to turn Cleveland around in just a year's time. Feel bad for Mahomes tho as his best years will be wasted because your GM couldn't put together a good supporting cast and oh fat Andy's still the coach. Sad!

When you're battling Denver for last place this year, be sure to give your sister a good fucking in Faider tradition so the world can be assured of MORE "intelligent" Al Davis clones running around in the world, eating their own shit and gainfully employing glory holes across the entire US.

[Chiefshrink]

Just watched it and wow I am so thankful that Dorsey got let go in favor of this guy. Veach seems equally as arrogant as he is clueless as a NFL GM. Meanwhile, Dorsey went on to turn Cleveland around in just a year's time. Feel bad for Mahomes tho as his best years will be wasted because your GM couldn't put together a good supporting cast and oh fat Andy's still the coach. Sad!

Veach clueless? The guy who alerted Reid/Dorsey from the get go, pounding the table for Mahomes day in day out. Had it not been for Brett, no way Reid/Dorsey draft this guy and Mahomes is actually shafting us at this point.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Just watched it and wow I am so thankful that Dorsey got let go in favor of this guy. Veach seems equally as arrogant as he is clueless as a NFL GM. Meanwhile, Dorsey went on to turn Cleveland around in just a year's time. Feel bad for Mahomes tho as his best years will be wasted because your GM couldn't put together a good supporting cast and oh fat Andy's still the coach. Sad!

you're funny. Well not really. Just dumb. But it's OK ,we still like you. We miss knowmo so you will do.

[TEX]

you're funny. Well not really. Just dumb. But it's OK ,we still like you. We miss knowmo so you will do.

ROFL

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

you're funny. Well not really. Just dumb. But it's OK ,we still like you. We miss knowmo so you will do.

This is true. I guess we'll have to shift focus to a Faid retard for a while since poor KnowMo has been so soundly defeated by Mahomes and karma. Something tells me though that this little turd will disappear after the first ass-whipping, never to return.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

This is true. I guess we'll have to shift focus to a Faid retard for a while since poor KnowMo has been so soundly defeated by Mahomes and karma. Something tells me though that this little turd will disappear after the first ass-whipping, never to return.

Tex, yourself, and I destroyed that little turd....with an assist from the Mile High Mule Tooler too...

[stumppy]

you're funny. Well not really. Just dumb. But it's OK ,we still like you. We miss knowmo so you will do.

Agree, CP can always use a new bitch for which to place the slap on.

[Nightfyre]

Just watched it and wow I am so thankful that Dorsey got let go in favor of this guy. Veach seems equally as arrogant as he is clueless as a NFL GM. Meanwhile, Dorsey went on to turn Cleveland around in just a year's time. Feel bad for Mahomes tho as his best years will be wasted because your GM couldn't put together a good supporting cast and oh fat Andy's still the coach. Sad!

This has got to be a mult. They are adopting too much Trumpian posting styling to be real.

[Sassy Squatch]

Just watched it and wow I am so thankful that Dorsey got let go in favor of this guy. Veach seems equally as arrogant as he is clueless as a NFL GM. Meanwhile, Dorsey went on to turn Cleveland around in just a year's time. Feel bad for Mahomes tho as his best years will be wasted because your GM couldn't put together a good supporting cast and oh fat Andy's still the coach. Sad!
This is the first decent troll we've had in a long fucking time. I admire your efforts, dumb as they are.

[BryanBusby]

This is the first decent troll we've had in a long fucking time. I admire your efforts, dumb as they are.
It's a mult