Chiefs suspended Tyreek Hill

[TribalElder]

Channel 5 just busted in and showed veach saying Hill is suspended for now

[carcosa]

Huh

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

The right move!! Don’t release him

[Iconic]

what.

[kcpasco]

Good. At least he wasn’t cut. Looks like Clark learned his lesson, I can respect that.

[TribalElder]

Channel 5 just interrupted programming

veach came on and said hill will be held out of all team activities

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We’re told <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> GM Brett Veach is coming down to speak in the next several minutes or so. He won’t take questions.</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1121628548555366400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> GM Brett Veach says for the time being Tyreek Hill will not partake in any team activities.</p>&mdash; Arrowhead Pride (@ArrowheadPride) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArrowheadPride/status/1121630272124964864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[kcpasco]

what.

Maybe Clark didn’t want to get bent over by Roger again.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Great move Veach!! Don’t release him yet.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Clean it up and move on
A REAL 5 year plan that works. FU Carl Peterson FWIW

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach says the Chiefs will gather more information after the audio of Tyreek Hill &amp; Crystal Espinal was released by <a href="https://twitter.com/KCTV5?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KCTV5</a>. Veach also said the Chiefs listened to the recording the same time as the general public did.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1121630799260860416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[ghak99]

I like it.

Make the NFL make the first move.

[NWTF]

The right move!! Don’t release him

Agreed.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

The right move

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Looks like Clark learned his lesson. Good on him

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">GM Brett Veach also adds “We will make the right decision regarding Tyreek Hill.&quot;</p>&mdash; Jason Lamb (@jasonlambkc) <a href="https://twitter.com/jasonlambkc/status/1121631109995851776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[kcpasco]

Until the NFL can make a league wide policy. Great fucking move.

[Pablo]

He didn't lie to the team did he?

Ok. Cool.

[TribalElder]

Veach looked a bit shook up like he had been crying or something :hmmm:

[Sure-Oz]

Looks like Clark learned his lesson. Good on himLol he's on his way to being released it's inevitable

[Why Not?]

This really is the right move. No rush, gather all the facts and let’s see what the NFL does. Acting immediately without all facts is almost never the prudent move.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Veach looked a bit shook up like he had been crying or something :hmmm:

I mean he said he was deeply disturbed by what he heard

[wazu]

Silver lining is that the discovery of this happened now. Holy crap, the Chiefs were backing up a Brinks truck for this guy.

[suzzer99]

Wait does this mean he can't play Sunday?

[BigCatDaddy]

Keep him and send him to anger management counseling.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Silver lining is that the implosion happened now. Holy crap, the Chiefs were backing up a Brinks truck for this guy.

But we’re willing to trade him This offseason hmm

[Why Not?]

Veach looked a bit shook up like he had been crying or something :hmmm:

He probably was. His team went from a Madden created team the Packers in 6 months because his predecessor and Fat Andy draft fucking idiots.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Keep him and send him to anger management counseling.

He needs a lot more then anger management counseling. Needs all the help he can get. Great player shitty father

[NWTF]

Lol he's on his way to being released it's inevitable

Probably, but the NFL needs to make it a league wide stance.

[suzzer99]

Hill agrees to not go near Crystal or any of his kids for a year. Gets anger management therapy.

???

[Sassy Squatch]

Still better go about this draft as if Tyreek won't be here next season. Who knows what kind of suspension is headed his way just based on that tape.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Hill agrees to not go near Crystal or any of his kids for a year. Gets anger management therapy.

???

Wait what?

[007]

Suspend him until his contract is up and then control his fate with a trade. It will be a lopsided crap trade but at least control where he gets to go.

[Bump]

Good, that's the smart move.

[Hammock Parties]

This is good news.

They aren't cutting him.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Reek to the Browns for 2020 4th round pick

[Warrick]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach says the Chiefs will gather more information after the audio of Tyreek Hill &amp; Crystal Espinal was released by <a href="https://twitter.com/KCTV5?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KCTV5</a>. Veach also said the Chiefs listened to the recording the same time as the general public did.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1121630799260860416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Stay ahead of this mess, take your time, and don't make any drastic measures just yet without getting the family some help.

[kcpasco]

Probably, but the NFL needs to make it a league wide stance.

This. Make this an NFL issue. Not just a Chiefs issue.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tyreek Hill’s son when daddy gets home. <a href="https://t.co/hsq2PwCMOu">pic.twitter.com/hsq2PwCMOu</a></p>&mdash; Danielson (@djg1228) <a href="https://twitter.com/djg1228/status/1121632454081536000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sure-Oz]

Probably, but the NFL needs to make it a league wide stance.Oh I'm sure they will wait till Goodell lays the hammer down then release him

[tk13]

Still better go about this draft as if Tyreek won't be here next season. Who knows what kind of suspension is headed his way just based on that tape.

I think he's 100% going to be cut.

But even in the hypothetical where he stays, Adrian Peterson was suspended for an entire year. I'm not sure how you'd argue Hill would get less than that.

[007]

Oh I'm sure they will wait till Goodell lays the hammer down then release him

Depends on what the hammer is. A tiny little ball peen hammer or a fucking sledge hammer.

[BlackOp]

Channel 5 just busted in and showed veach saying Hill is suspended for now

Mission accomplished...thanks KCTV5.

We really appreciate your clickbait technique in getting Hill suspended...thanks for broadcasting an edited covert recording where she was baiting him. Top notch shit..and circumventing the legal process.

I hope they get sued into dust..

[carcosa]

He needs a lot more then anger management counseling. Needs all the help he can get. Great player shitty father

He needs intense therapy. No doubt his own parents fucked his head up when he was a kid. His concept of what deserves and constitutes discipline is beyond warped. That's something that gets passed down via parent-inflicted trauma.

[Iconic]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MOMENTS AGO: Kansas City Chiefs GM Brett Veach announced the team has suspended wide receiver Tyreek Hill from all team activities pending an investigation. <a href="https://t.co/ImbUfTPRbo">pic.twitter.com/ImbUfTPRbo</a></p>&mdash; 41 Action News (@41actionnews) <a href="https://twitter.com/41actionnews/status/1121632035984920576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

put this in the op tribal

[kcpasco]

Oh I'm sure they will wait till Goodell lays the hammer down then release him

Well at least Roger can’t hide this time.

[rabblerouser]

Welp, I can go to bed now.

[FAX]

He needs intense therapy. No doubt his own parents ****ed his head up when he was a kid. His concept of what deserves and constitutes discipline is beyond warped. That's something that gets passed down via parent-inflicted trauma.

Exactly so.

Generational.

FAX

[Chief Northman]

This is good news.

They aren't cutting him.

LOL.

Kicking the can. He’s done. They just want assurances Dorsey doesn’t embarrass them again.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Wish OU Brown was still on the board

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Mission accomplished...thanks KCTV5.

We really appreciate your clickbait technique in getting Hill suspended..

Yeah, Tyreek Hill has been unfairly railroaded.

[DTVietnam]

Yep..once he’s of the nfl exempt list or suspended they will cut him...

Sad day for Chief fans

[wazu]

The Chiefs set the bar so far pat ridiculous with Kareem Hunt that I have no faith in them to exercise good judgement here.

[TribalElder]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MOMENTS AGO: Kansas City Chiefs GM Brett Veach announced the team has suspended wide receiver Tyreek Hill from all team activities pending an investigation. <a href="https://t.co/ImbUfTPRbo">pic.twitter.com/ImbUfTPRbo</a></p>&mdash; 41 Action News (@41actionnews) <a href="https://twitter.com/41actionnews/status/1121632035984920576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sassy Squatch]

Damn. Veach does look shook.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Veach looks like he hasn’t slept in days

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Damn. Veach does look shook.
He is dealing with the ghosts of Dorsey Past

[wazu]

Veach looks like he hasn’t slept in days

Probably been up late "doing homework" over the Frank Clark trade to make sure he is now fully rehabilitated from domestic violence issues.

[Best22]

Veach looks like he hasn’t slept in days

The draft is rough on GMs

[Jerm]

Mission accomplished...thanks KCTV5.

We really appreciate your clickbait technique in getting Hill suspended...thanks for broadcasting an edited covert recording where she was baiting him. Top notch shit..and circumventing the legal process.

I hope they get sued into dust..

Jesus fucking Christ....is this real life lol?

[TribalElder]

Because Chiefs

[Hammock Parties]

Brett showing his age.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Because Chiefs

Because this is what happens when you draft low character players. They don't just drop in the draft for no reason.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Brett showing his age.

Dudes only 41

[kcpasco]

He’s probably not playing again for KC but at least some other shit head team can’t just pick him up.

[rabblerouser]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MOMENTS AGO: Kansas City Chiefs GM Brett Veach announced the team has suspended wide receiver Tyreek Hill from all team activities pending an investigation. <a href="https://t.co/ImbUfTPRbo">pic.twitter.com/ImbUfTPRbo</a></p>&mdash; 41 Action News (@41actionnews) <a href="https://twitter.com/41actionnews/status/1121632035984920576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

put this in the op tribal

Fucking BJ looks like someone just shit in his Easter basket.

[Hammock Parties]

The Chiefs set the bar so far pat ridiculous with Kareem Hunt that I have no faith in them to exercise good judgement here.

This can't happen again.

IT CAN'T.

It's not fucking fair.

[Hammock Parties]

Dudes only 41

That's what I'm saying.

Lack of experience is showing a bit.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

I swear if something comes out about Mahomes not loving his dogs enough. The media and fans will call for him to be released

[BlackOp]

Yeah, Tyreek Hill has been unfairly railroaded.

I'd say broadcasting a pirated private conversation where Hill is getting set-up is unfair/possibly illegal...His GF is a manipulative psycho...no question in that anymore.

[RunKC]

Tyreek is done. If he for some reason doesn’t get released, he will absolutely get railroaded by the NFL.

They made the commissioners exempt list for these situations.

[kcclone]

This can't happen again.

IT CAN'T.

It's not ****ing fair.


It’s happening. We’re F’ed.

Better hope Spaggs has a magic wand, because our offense is going to look a lot different next year.

We’ll still score (28 ppg or something around there), but we’ll need to get some stops.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Hill needs to take out a restraining order against Crystal

[Jerm]

I swear if something comes out about Mahomes not loving his dogs enough. The media and fans will call for him to be released

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

[rabblerouser]

This can't happen again.

IT CAN'T.

It's not ****ing fair.

**** no, it's not.

But we live in an uber-emotional, uber-lib "#metoo" bullshit society where the only court that matters is the court of public opinion.

It's obvious he's getting railroaded, but KCTV5 is the judge, the court of public opinion is the jury...and Roger Goodell will no doubt be the executioner.

They may not cut him...but I'll be damn surprised if Tyreek ever plays another down for the Chiefs.

[scho63]

Dorsey already bought Tyreek a one way ticket to Cleveland.

I see .001% chance Tyreek remains a Chief.

[rabblerouser]

Hill needs to take out a restraining order against Crystal

I said that in the audio thread.

[ClevelandBronco]

His GF is a manipulative psycho...

I thought you weren’t supposed to reveal who you see at your meetings.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Hill put this team in a horrible situation. Now they have to replace him. Walking wounded Watkins is their best WR. They have to get a CB as well. They can’t miss with their draft picks and that’s hard for any team to hit even .500 with. Screwed.

[chiefzilla1501]

I'd say broadcasting a pirated private conversation where Hill is getting set-up is unfair/possibly illegal...His GF is a manipulative psycho...no question in that anymore.

The tapes we just heard would either be heard by the Chiefs, the NFL, or the public eventually. I'm not sure what bullet you think we are dodging that we are hearing them now.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

I said that in the audio thread.

Didn’t see that. Hill has two options here. Basically leave crystal behind and probably never have a relationship with your kids but still have a chance to play football or continue being with her and try to change but ultimately it will cost you your football career

[rabblerouser]

I thought you weren’t supposed to reveal who you see at your meetings.

ROFL
LMAO

[scho63]

Also I'm convinced God is NOT a Chiefs fan. LOL

[stevieray]

He needs intense therapy. No doubt his own parents ****ed his head up when he was a kid. His concept of what deserves and constitutes discipline is beyond warped. That's something that gets passed down via parent-inflicted trauma.

Very possible, but it could also be a lack of a father figure growing up. We saw the video of his mom& him..she seemed pretty nice.

[rabblerouser]

Mission accomplished...thanks KCTV5.

We really appreciate your clickbait technique in getting Hill suspended...thanks for broadcasting an edited covert recording where she was baiting him. Top notch shit..and circumventing the legal process.

I hope they get sued into dust..

THIS.

[Chief Northman]

This thread already corrupted by fucking idiots.

A 3 year-old. Beaten. “Whooped”. Bones broken.

Cheetah can’t outrun this one.

[Hammock Parties]

We are a god damn Super Bowl contender.

God really does hate the fucking Chiefs.

[FAX]

So ... I'm still unclear on this audio tape situation.

If the Popo hadn't yet heard the tape, they certainly have now. This likely means they'll subpoena the original device and any additional devices that could have been used to record this and other private conversations, yes?

Once that's been done, the odds just increased (astronomically) that Tyreek would be charged with abuse, correct? Perhaps, I mean. Some of the things he states in the recording could well be interpreted as potential abuse by an objective, reasonable observer. That's enough to charge, right?

And, based on her statements in the recording, there's also the potential that Baby Mama could be charged with lying to the Popo and/or some similar obstruction charge, correct?

That's pretty much where we are?

FAX

[Sassy Squatch]

Didn’t see that. Hill has two options here. Basically leave crystal behind and probably never have a relationship with your kids but still have a chance to play football or continue being with her and try to change but ultimately it will cost you your football career
Pretty obvious those 2 should have absolutely nothing to do with each other or the kids. He punched and choked her while she was pregnant. She recorded him without his knowledge saying some pretty bad shit and now it's out to the public. It's fucking toxic.

[rabblerouser]

This thread already corrupted by ****ing idiots.

A 3 year-old. Beaten. “Whooped”. Bones broken.

Cheetah can’t outrun this one.

Oh, so you know more about this than Johnson County DFS?

[BlackOp]

The tapes we just heard would either be heard by the Chiefs, the NFL, or the public eventually. I'm not sure what bullet you think we are dodging that we are hearing them now.

I'm saying she set him up...then released it to the media. Who does that when you are pregnant with his twins?...and just got a "no charges" verdict. They were in the clear to rebuild their lives..

Think about it...it's ****ing insane. What was gained here? Best case scenario is he loses his job and $80 million dollars..worst is their father goes to jail and you have three kids and no income.

that's another level crazy..

[Chief Northman]

So ... I'm still unclear on this audio tape situation.

If the Popo hadn't yet heard the tape, they certainly have now. This likely means they'll subpoena the original device and any additional devices that could have been used to record this and other private conversations, yes?

Once that's been done, the odds just increased (astronomically) that Tyreek would be charged with abuse, correct? Perhaps, I mean. Some of the things he states in the recording could well be interpreted as potential abuse by an objective, reasonable observer. That's enough to charge, right?

And, based on her statements in the recording, there's also the potential that Baby Mama could be charged with lying to the Popo and/or some similar obstruction charge, correct?

That's pretty much where we are?

FAX

Just stop.

[Prison Bitch]

So ... I'm still unclear on this audio tape situation.

If the Popo hadn't yet heard the tape, they certainly have now. This likely means they'll subpoena the original device and any additional devices that could have been used to record this and other private conversations, yes?

Once that's been done, the odds just increased (astronomically) that Tyreek would be charged with abuse, correct? Perhaps, I mean. Some of the things he states in the recording could well be interpreted as potential abuse by an objective, reasonable observer. That's enough to charge, right?

And, based on her statements in the recording, there's also the potential that Baby Mama could be charged with lying to the Popo and/or some similar obstruction charge, correct?

That's pretty much where we are?

FAX

Yes

[Chief Northman]

Oh, so you know more about this than Johnson County DFS?

I do now.

[rabblerouser]

So ... I'm still unclear on this audio tape situation.

If the Popo hadn't yet heard the tape, they certainly have now. This likely means they'll subpoena the original device and any additional devices that could have been used to record this and other private conversations, yes?

Once that's been done, the odds just increased (astronomically) that Tyreek would be charged with abuse, correct? Perhaps, I mean. Some of the things he states in the recording could well be interpreted as potential abuse by an objective, reasonable observer. That's enough to charge, right?

And, based on her statements in the recording, there's also the potential that Baby Mama could be charged with lying to the Popo and/or some similar obstruction charge, correct?

That's pretty much where we are?

FAX

Definitely know that she's a liar who should be charged with obstruction and/or outright perjury, that much is certain.

Based on that, I don't believe anything she's ever said.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Apparently the video phone recording is admissible in court in the state of Kansas

[God of Thunder]

We also don't know if she has more tapes......If she was willing to do one - she may have more damaging to try and leverage something.

[bringbackmarty]

This is good news.

They aren't cutting him.

They most certainly are.
Probably trying to verify that the audio isn't faked, which might take a day or two. Once it's been sourced and confirmed legit, you have both of the parents obstructing a child welfare case. He's out of the league. He beats his three year old son, with a belt, punches him for crying. That's very serious child abuse.
If they don't cut him it's going to cost them a lot of fans.

[Sassy Squatch]

So ... I'm still unclear on this audio tape situation.

If the Popo hadn't yet heard the tape, they certainly have now. This likely means they'll subpoena the original device and any additional devices that could have been used to record this and other private conversations, yes?

Once that's been done, the odds just increased (astronomically) that Tyreek would be charged with abuse, correct? Perhaps, I mean. Some of the things he states in the recording could well be interpreted as potential abuse by an objective, reasonable observer. That's enough to charge, right?

And, based on her statements in the recording, there's also the potential that Baby Mama could be charged with lying to the Popo and/or some similar obstruction charge, correct?

That's pretty much where we are?

FAX
Wouldn't be surprised if Hill got charged with obstruction as well.

[rabblerouser]

I do now.

You know fuck all, friend.

Maybe they don't have due process in the Great White North, but that's not how we do things in the US and A, eh.

[RealSNR]

I think he's 100% going to be cut.

But even in the hypothetical where he stays, Adrian Peterson was suspended for an entire year. I'm not sure how you'd argue Hill would get less than that.

And these days if you talk to Adrian Peterson about child-rearing, all that therapy had zero effect on him.

He probably still uses the belt on any of the kids with any of the women he's fucked. Maybe he avoids the scrotum now, though.

Such a huge fucking improvement, right?

Tyreek is probably the same way. Guy was so close to getting a huge payday and he knew it, and he partook in this sort of pattern of behavior despite attending all of his mandatory counseling sessions in that entire span of being an NFL player.

He just couldn't fucking resist it. The kid needed a severe ass-beating THAT badly, huh? In his mind he was probably doing the right thing, too, like he was being responsible.

That's just fucked up.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

The belt thing is fine. I got beat with a belt. Pretty sure a lot of people did growing up

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tyreek Hill, Cops Called To WR&#39;s Home After Audio Leaks <a href="https://t.co/y5DXobTA6O">https://t.co/y5DXobTA6O</a></p>&mdash; TMZ (@TMZ) <a href="https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1121636403819868161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Chief Northman]

You know **** all, friend.

Maybe they don't have due process in the Great White North, but that's not how we do things in the US and A, eh.

Don’t be a retard.

You know the undeniable truth of this ugly relationship will come out eventually.

Pro-tip: it does not end well for Tyreek Hill and Crystal Espinal.

[Hammock Parties]

I got the belt all the time when I was a kid.

My dad loves the shit out of me.

[Chief Pagan]

Silver lining is that the discovery of this happened now. Holy crap, the Chiefs were backing up a Brinks truck for this guy.

And those of us who thought maybe it was risky to do that got a lot of grief for saying that.

[FAX]

Just stop.

You draw the line at asking questions? Sincere attempts to establish current clarity and a possible range of future alternatives?

What inferences are you drawing from my post? I'm authentically curious.

And, BTW, I'm not Mr. Donger, dude.

FAX

[Sassy Squatch]

He might be facing a laundry list of charges.

Obstruction
Conspiracy
Child Endangerment
Aggravated Assault

That DA can't be happy that this whole situation made him look like an incompetent buffoon. He's going to be coming after them ruthlessly now.

[FAX]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tyreek Hill, Cops Called To WR&#39;s Home After Audio Leaks <a href="https://t.co/y5DXobTA6O">https://t.co/y5DXobTA6O</a></p>&mdash; TMZ (@TMZ) <a href="https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1121636403819868161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Jesus ...

This just got worse and I didn't think that was even remotely possible.

FAX

[Sassy Squatch]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tyreek Hill, Cops Called To WR&#39;s Home After Audio Leaks <a href="https://t.co/y5DXobTA6O">https://t.co/y5DXobTA6O</a></p>&mdash; TMZ (@TMZ) <a href="https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1121636403819868161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Oh shit.

[Fishpicker]

fahhh

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

He might be facing a laundry list of charges.

Obstruction
Conspiracy
Child Endangerment
Aggravated Assault

That DA can't be happy that this whole situation made him look like an incompetent buffoon. He's going to be coming after them ruthlessly now.

Crystal could also be facing charges as well

[tredadda]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tyreek Hill, Cops Called To WR&#39;s Home After Audio Leaks <a href="https://t.co/y5DXobTA6O">https://t.co/y5DXobTA6O</a></p>&mdash; TMZ (@TMZ) <a href="https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1121636403819868161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Great. When it rains it pours.

[carcosa]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tyreek Hill, Cops Called To WR&#39;s Home After Audio Leaks <a href="https://t.co/y5DXobTA6O">https://t.co/y5DXobTA6O</a></p>&mdash; TMZ (@TMZ) <a href="https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1121636403819868161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Looks like he may not have been home...

It did occur to me after the audio came out that Tyreek could take out his anger on Crystal. I hope he stays away instead.

Man, this situation is such a fucking nightmare. I wanted so badly to believe that Tyreek had really reformed. Fuck.

[Sassy Squatch]

Crystal could also be facing charges as well
Of course. She admitted to obstruction and it sounds like she was conspiring with Hill about it.

[Matrix]

The football deity sure doesn't want the state of Missouri to enjoy football at any level.

[Chief Pagan]

Also I'm convinced God is NOT a Chiefs fan. LOL

He gave us Mahomes and then kicked us out of the garden of Eden.

[wazu]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One of the best players in the league is implicated in a pattern of abusive activities toward a three-year-old boy. My heart is broken at the thought of what that child has endured. If Tyreek Hill is allowed to play again, I&#39;m not sure I can keep covering this league.</p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1121636754442711041?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Tyreek please whatever you do just leave. Do not make this worse. Best thing you can do is stay away right now. NFL, Chiefs, DA, CPS are all involved. It’s a shit show

[wazu]

He gave us Mahomes and then kicked us out of the garden of Eden.

That's a fair trade.

[BlackOp]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tyreek Hill, Cops Called To WR&#39;s Home After Audio Leaks <a href="https://t.co/y5DXobTA6O">https://t.co/y5DXobTA6O</a></p>&mdash; TMZ (@TMZ) <a href="https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1121636403819868161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Well..you cant think Hill is too happy about his GF giving the news a recording of a conversation where she was setting him up....and ruining his life.

What did they think was going to happen...with those two in the same room?

That's some toxic ass shit...depressing.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One of the best players in the league is implicated in a pattern of abusive activities toward a three-year-old boy. My heart is broken at the thought of what that child has endured. If Tyreek Hill is allowed to play again, I&#39;m not sure I can keep covering this league.</p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1121636754442711041?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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In this case we welcome Tyreek back to the team. Florio can get fucked

[Bewbies]

There is a reason guys get taken off draft boards for beating and choking their pregnant girlfriend.

Shocking to hear, but high probability you deal with their bullshit in the future too.

[wazu]

Tyreek please whatever you do just leave. Do not make this worse. Best thing you can do is stay away right now. NFL, Chiefs, DA, CPS are all involved. It’s a shit show

Don't worry. No doubt he is meditating on next steps and building a comeback plan based on peace, truth, and wisdom.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

I'd say broadcasting a pirated private conversation where Hill is getting set-up is unfair/possibly illegal...His GF is a manipulative psycho...no question in that anymore.

You may have a legal argument, and 90% would agree she is as you describe.

The Genie is out of the bottle and it is too late to wish it back.
They are both whack. the whole deal is whack and the Chiefs have no other choice. The NFL will follow suit. The DA will be back on both of them sooner rather than later.

I am pissed and Reek is a dumbass. I mean a genuine 20 pt IQ idiot.
Rule #1 for NFL players wanting a new $100,000,000 contract-
Wake up and stay away from Cray Cray every day and all would be OK.
She must be a succubus.

[Hammock Parties]

Give me a fucking break, PFT.

The amount of virtue signaling over this crap is annoying.

Where's all the hand-wringing for abused children of non-famous people? REPORT ON THAT SHIT YOU FAT MEDIA WHORES!!!

[RealSNR]

The belt thing is fine. I got beat with a belt. Pretty sure a lot of people did growing up

Your parents ever get CPS called on them?

[Prison Bitch]

Jussie Smolett beat his rap

It can be done.

[ClevelandBronco]

And you guys thought you'd have nothing to talk about on day one of the draft.

[rabblerouser]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tyreek Hill, Cops Called To WR&#39;s Home After Audio Leaks <a href="https://t.co/y5DXobTA6O">https://t.co/y5DXobTA6O</a></p>&mdash; TMZ (@TMZ) <a href="https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1121636403819868161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I hope everyone is okay.

I should've went to bed when I had the chance...

[carcosa]

It's dispiriting to see so many people say "my parents kicked my ass and I'm fine." You might think you are, but I guarantee that you're repressing a LOT of shit that needs to be unpacked.

Trauma is really fucking complicated.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Tyreek needs to hire Smolletts lawyer

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

It's dispiriting to see so many people say "my parents kicked my ass and I'm fine." You might think you are, but I guarantee that you're repressing a LOT of shit that needs to be unpacked.

Trauma is really ****ing complicated.

Nah actually it taught me discipline and to never make the same mistake again. It’s a life lesson. However I never got punched in the chest let alone when I was 3

[FAX]

Hunt was in line for an enormous payday, as well.

It's as if some guys self-sabotage.

What an absolute shit bomb this turned out to be.

FAX

[Bewbies]

Jussie Smolett beat his rap

It can be done.

I laughed.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

We were never gonna pay Hunt tho

[rabblerouser]

In this case we welcome Tyreek back to the team. Florio can get ****ed

This?

Bring back Tyreek, just so we can stop having to endure the shittiness that is Florio's "reporting".

Him and Brooke Pryor can go cover professional ping-pong championships.

[God of Thunder]

Think about this....

She was smart enough to make a tape (possibly more) - then give it to a friend. She knows Tyreek isn't afraid to put his hands on her. So in all likelihood - after news of the tape broke, she probably went to a police station for protection. If she has half a brain, she would know that she could have perjured herself - so she may have more tapes and say something like "for immunity, I will give you these"

[Shiver Me Timbers]

We also don't know if she has more tapes......If she was willing to do one - she may have more damaging to try and leverage something.

She needs to read a book on blackmail. She was premature in her release

[Bewbies]

Hunt was in line for an enormous payday, as well.

It's as if some guys self-sabotage.

What an absolute shit bomb this turned out to be.

FAX

I can’t think of anyone who was so close to $100,000,000 and then they flushed it all down the shitter so fast. It is really something to behold.

[God of Thunder]

She needs to read a book on blackmail. She was premature in her release

Not if she has more.

[New World Order]

Nah actually it taught me discipline and to never make the same mistake again. It’s a life lesson. However I never got punched in the chest let alone when I was 3

I got the belt a couple of times but I didn't get spanked very much.

My dad hit me in the chest when I was in high school, but I was acting like a complete asshole to my mom.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

I got the belt a couple of times but I didn't get spanked very much.

My dad hit me in the chest when I was in high school, but I was acting like a complete asshole to my mom.

That’s high school. That’s different. Not when you 3 years old!!

[BryanBusby]

Jussie Smolett beat his rap

It can be done.
heh

[rabblerouser]

She needs to read a book on blackmail. She was premature in her release

I doubt that stupid bitch can read Fun with Dick and Jane or the old Cowboy Bill books, much less comprehend a book on blackmail.

[Sassy Squatch]

Still trying to figure out what a 3 year old could do that would warrant being whipped by a belt.

[wazu]

Tyreek needs to hire Smolletts lawyer

He can hire OJ's lawyers. Isn't going to change the fact that he went from being an inch away form a $100 million contract to most likely nothing. That's done. Isn't going to be undone. If he does play again it'll be on trial basis contracts, trying to earn his way back, type of stuff. He'll age a bit and lose a step and disappear. And that's his best case.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Blackmail and extortion. She may be as dumb as Tyreek. Dumb and dumber three featuring Crystal and Tyreek

[New World Order]

That’s high school. That’s different. Not when you 3 years old!!

I agree

[ClevelandBronco]

Silver lining: This is really going to make your salary cap management a lot easier in the next few years than it would have been.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Not if she has more.
he has no guaranteed cash yet. should have waited a year

[BryanBusby]

Abuse is abuse. Stop putting levels of abuse on a power ranking like you're trying to determine if getting whacked in the balls should be above or below Ohio State.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Remember when Kelce has maturity issues now you don’t hear a peep because he has grown up on the field. Hill needs to follow whatever Kelce did to get it turned around.

[BlackOp]

She must be a succubus.

No doubt...we automatically assume the male is at fault..Women, generally, are the life givers and nurturers...nobody suspects they could possibly play a role...or straight up evil.

That was some bone-chilling, cold-ass shit she just pulled...takes two to tango...or kill a promising career.

This is insanity...you are just watching this like passing a 20 car pile up.

I'm glad they took that kid away...neither is fit to raise a child....but that woman is ****ing crazy.

Congratulations...those two just burnt everything to ground. Now they can get the fuck out of each others lives for good..

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Abuse is abuse. Stop putting levels of abuse on a power ranking like you're trying to determine if getting whacked in the balls should be above or below Ohio State.

LOLLER

[RunKC]

The league really doesn’t care about this shit. Look what our old friend Dorsey tried to trade up for tonight.

Dorsey declined to name the three players, but one is believed to be Mississippi State defensive tackle Jeffery Simmons based on Dorsey’s effusive pre-draft praise of Simmons, according to Cabot.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/26/browns-tried-to-trade-into-first-round-for-one-of-three-players/

[wazu]

Silver lining: This is really going to make your salary cap management a lot easier in the next few years than it would have been.

Pointed this out earlier. If this had all come to light a few months later the Chiefs would be screwed. As it is it sucks to lose an incredible WR, but he was a fifth round rookie on his first contract.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Dorsey doesn’t give a shit. If we released Hill, He would be a Brown tomorrow morning

[carcosa]

Nah actually it taught me discipline and to never make the same mistake again. It’s a life lesson.

This sort of rationalization is a common and totally understandable coping mechanism.

I'm telling you, there's no justification for hitting a kid. There is nothing to be learned from it.

The cognitive dissonance of believing your parents love you while knowing they mistreated you is fucking hard to deal with.

The thing is, they probably did love you. But that doesn't mean they didn't mistreat you. Being able to acknowledge that fact is when the real personal growth begins. But it's a tough fucking process.

I really hope Tyreek's kid gets set up with a great therapist who knows how to handle early childhood trauma. He's going to need it.

[Sassy Squatch]

Pointed this out earlier. If this had all come to light a few months later the Chiefs would be screwed. As it is it sucks to lose an incredible WR, but he was a fifth round rookie on his first contract.
Yeah. I'm sure we could've gotten most of the money back eventually but better to just not have to deal with it.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Chiefs apparently love Metcalf. I can see them trading up to grab him

[PutQuinnIn]

Wait for the Fax to come in.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

This sort of rationalization is a common and totally understandable coping mechanism.

I'm telling you, there's no justification for hitting a kid. There is nothing to be learned from it.

The cognitive dissonance of believing your parents love you while knowing they mistreated you is ****ing hard to deal with.

The thing is, they probably did love you. But that doesn't mean they didn't mistreat you. Being able to acknowledge that fact is when the real personal growth begins. But it's a tough ****ing process.

I really hope Tyreek's kid gets set up with a great therapist who knows how to handle early childhood trauma. He's going to need it.

Sad thing is the kid will be in a foster home for the next 15 years.

[frozenchief]

Remember when Kelce has maturity issues now you don’t hear a peep because he has grown up on the field. Hill needs to follow whatever Kelce did to get it turned around.

In fairness, Kelce’s maturity issues involved making a jerk-off motion at a ref. Hill’s involve physical abuse of a toddler. Maybe it’s me but those seem really far apart.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Dorsey doesn’t give a shit. If we released Hill, He would be a Brown tomorrow morning

Just like King Carl Peterson, Dorsey has a 5 year plan. It started in KC and ends in Cleveland.

[chuxtrux]

If Tyreek Hill was a model citizen he wouldn't be a Chief ... he would have been a top 10 pick in the 2016 draft. I am surprised the Chiefs got 3 good years out of him before something blew up. Time to move on. It was going to happen at some point.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Just like King Carl Peterson, Dorsey has a 5 year plan. It started in KC and ends in Cleveland.

Dorsey is playing chess while Clark Hunt is playing checkers

[Shiver Me Timbers]

If Tyreek Hill was a model citizen he wouldn't be a Chief ... he would have been a top 10 pick in the 2016 draft. I am surprised the Chiefs got 3 good years out of him before something blew up. Time to move on. It was going to happen at some point.

Chux gotta good point evenif he lives in Elvis's basement

[Hammock Parties]

You know who the bigger winner in this is?

http://ffnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/alex-smith2.jpg

[wazu]

This sort of rationalization is a common and totally understandable coping mechanism.

I'm telling you, there's no justification for hitting a kid. There is nothing to be learned from it.

The cognitive dissonance of believing your parents love you while knowing they mistreated you is fucking hard to deal with.

The thing is, they probably did love you. But that doesn't mean they didn't mistreat you. Being able to acknowledge that fact is when the real personal growth begins. But it's a tough fucking process.

I really hope Tyreek's kid gets set up with a great therapist who knows how to handle early childhood trauma. He's going to need it.

Just curious - when you say "hitting a kid" do you include any form of spanking?

[ROYC75]

Still trying to figure out what a 3 year old could do that would warrant being whipped by a belt.

Nothing!

Tyreek probably has Schizophrenia, anger issues, plus some improper parenting when Tyreek was a child.

[Best22]

Still trying to figure out what a 3 year old could do that would warrant being whipped by a belt.

Maybe the 3 year old punched Crystal in the stomach?

[mr. tegu]

Still trying to figure out what a 3 year old could do that would warrant being whipped by a belt.


He would probably ask you what it would take to use a belt, and when you said nothing would make you, he would be as appalled that you wouldn’t use a belt that many people are that he does use a belt.

Using a belt for discipline isn’t like some evolutionary instinct we have to suppress. He learned it growing up, probably thinks it helped him given his career success, and sees no issue with using it on his kid but instead truly thinks it is a positive method of discipline. The problem is the person he had a kid with likely wasn’t a positive enforcement on encouraging him to change or may even agree with those tactics. Getting him to change his views on it would be very difficult as he would just point to the successful results of his own upbringing. Of course that doesn’t mean the attempts shouldn’t be made.

[BigRedChief]

This can't happen again.

IT CAN'T.

It's not fucking fair.Hunt had known anger issues before the draft. Thats why he dropped. The Chiefs thought they could fix him. They were wrong,


Hill had known issues with anger. Serious violence. The Chiefs knew and did the rest of the NFL. Thats why he dropped to to us in the 5th. The Chiefs thought they could fix him. They were wrong,

Clark had issues with violence before the draft. The Chiefs trade for him. give him a ton of money. Will history repeat itself.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Dorsey is playing chess while Clark Hunt is playing checkers

Don't tell Clark. He went to private shcool

[wazu]

Hunt had known anger issues before the draft. Thats why he dropped. The Chiefs thought they could fix him. They were wrong,


Hill had known issues with anger. Serious violence. The Chiefs knew and did the rest of the NFL. Thats why he dropped to to us in the 5th. The Chiefs thought they could fix him. They were wrong,

Clark had issues with violence before the draft. The Chiefs trade for him. give him a ton of money. Will history repeat itself.

Did their homework this time. Feel very comfortable that's all in his past.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Maybe the 3 year old punched Crystal in the stomach?

Tyreek would give him a good star for that!

[Sassy Squatch]

He would probably ask you what it would take to use a belt, and when you said nothing would make you, he would be as appalled that you wouldn’t use a belt that many people are that he does use a belt.

Using a belt for discipline isn’t like some evolutionary instinct we have to suppress. He learned it growing up, probably thinks it helped him given his career success, and sees no issue with using it on his kid but instead truly thinks it is a positive method of discipline. The problem is the person he had a kid with likely wasn’t a positive enforcement on encouraging him to change or may even agree with those tactics. Getting him to change his views on it would be very difficult as he would just point to the successful results of his own upbringing. Of course that doesn’t mean the attempts shouldn’t have been made.
You're missing the point. The kid was 3 fucking years old. What could a 3 year old possibly do to warrant that?

[ROYC75]

Sad thing is the kid will be in a foster home for the next 15 years.

How old are you ? No, Really!

You got a habit of just throwing shit out there hoping it will stick.

Or it's the fact you feel you have to say something, to add to the cause when you have no proof of it!

[BlackOp]

Dorsey is playing chess while Clark Hunt is playing checkers

No doubt about that...have to think this is some karmic payback for fucking him over. Hunt...Hill...Berry blowing out his Achilles.

Good thing Mahomes is immune to petty shit...the gods like him better than everyone else.

[scho63]

Remember when Kelce has maturity issues now you don’t hear a peep because he has grown up on the field. Hill needs to follow whatever Kelce did to get it turned around.

These two issues aren't even in the same universe. :rolleyes:

[RealSNR]

Nah actually it taught me discipline and to never make the same mistake again. It’s a life lesson. However I never got punched in the chest let alone when I was 3

You seem to believe in that mode of discipline strongly because it worked for you when you were a kid, right?

Let's say you have a kid, and you're among the best at what you do in your field. A new benefit package is instituted at your work to show their appreciation for you. "In four years if you keep up your same level of productivity while also doing absolutely nothing to make us think you're a giant piece of shit in your domestic life, we will pay you 10s of millions of dollars in guaranteed money to continue working for us, thereby setting you and your family up financially for the rest of your life."

All you have to do is make sure nobody gets the slightest notion in their head, whether true or false, that you might be even sorta abusive. That's it.

Would you still discipline your child with a belt?

I'm not proposing this hypothetical to debate the morality of using the belt or any other implement to discipline your kid. I'm saying if that offer came to you, do you really think using a belt on your kid is the way to go? Do you think you would continue to use that mode of discipline as a parent and not think anything of the possibility that your work might view that as behavior unworthy of their mega millions in cash reward?

That's what I'm getting at. Tyreek was THIS close to getting those millions, and he did that to his fucking kid anyway.

[New World Order]

I'm going from waking up every morning and checking to see if we executed a blockbuster trade to waking up every morning to see if Tyreek has been released.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Okay, so you don't want to cut Hill so that another team gets a shot at him. Where do you draw the line?

If one of these dudes beat the shit out of your wife or child, would you still hope the Chiefs held onto him if he could take the top off of a defense?

[Sassy Squatch]

I'm going from waking up every morning and checking to see if we had executed a blockbuster trade to waking up every morning to see if Tyreek has been released.
He's not playing anytime soon regardless of of he's on the team or not, so don't worry about it.

[carcosa]

Just curious - when you say "hitting a kid" do you include any form of spanking?

I mean, yeah. Somebody the child innately trusts to protect them is physically hurting them. It's a lower degree of trauma, but it's still trauma. So, in my opinion, it's unacceptable.

I understand that tradition and the frustration of parenting make spanking acceptable to a lot of people, and I don't judge those people for being raised to believe it's ok. But based on what I've learned about how trauma affects people, I will never, ever spank my own kids. Ever.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

You seem to believe in that mode of discipline strongly because it worked for you when you were a kid, right?

Let's say you have a kid, and you're among the best at what you do in your field. A new benefit package is instituted at your work to show their appreciation for you. "In four years if you keep up your same level of productivity while also doing absolutely nothing to make us think you're a giant piece of shit in your domestic life, we will pay you 10s of millions of dollars in guaranteed money to continue working for us, thereby setting you and your family up financially for the rest of your life."

All you have to do is make sure nobody gets the slightest notion in their head, whether true or false, that you might be even sorta abusive. That's it.

Would you still discipline your child with a belt?

I'm not proposing this hypothetical to debate the morality of using the belt or any other implement to discipline your kid. I'm saying if that offer came to you, do you really think using a belt on your kid is the way to go? Do you think you would continue to use that mode of discipline as a parent and not think anything of the possibility that your work might view that as behavior unworthy of their mega millions in cash reward?

That's what I'm getting at. Tyreek was THIS close to getting those millions, and he did that to his ****ing kid anyway.

Tbh yes. Nowadays this nation is getting soft. Everyone gets offended by anything and expects handouts. A little discipline in someone’s life would change them and ultimately change this country.

[FAX]

Great Jesus ...

Corporal punishment with a damn belt? What kind of belt? I'm pretty sure that some belts are designed to hurt more than others. Some belts will simply leave welts while others are embedded with metal that cuts right through to the bone. And I'm sure some guys consider the buckle the business end.

Why not beat the kid with a snowshoe? Or strangle him with a pair of pants?

WTF are we talking about here?

FAX

[007]

Tyreek is done. If he for some reason doesn’t get released, he will absolutely get railroaded by the NFL.

They made the commissioners exempt list for these situations.

Yeah, because it worked out so well with Hunt right? NFL screwed the Chiefs on that one.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Tbh yes. Nowadays this nation is getting soft. Everyone gets offended by anything and expects handouts. A little discipline in someone’s life would change them and ultimately change this country.

Can you point me to the data that demonstrates that hitting your kid with a belt results in greater success for the child?

[kcpasco]

Okay, so you don't want to cut Hill so that another team gets a shot at him. Where do you draw the line?

If one of these dudes beat the shit out of your wife or child, would you still hope the Chiefs held onto him if he could take the top off of a defense?

Hill is getting suspended by the Chiefs because the NFL refuses to make a proper policy. Why do you have problem with this?

Clark got bent over last time and his asshole probably still hurts.

[mr. tegu]

You're missing the point. The kid was 3 fucking years old. What could a 3 year old possibly do to warrant that?


I believe you are missing the point. Mainly that while a belt is appalling to you, it probably isn’t to him (in fact it might a great tool to him) and therefore questions like what the kid could do to deserve it are not relevant in his perspective. It might be like someone who is appalled by spanking asking a parent who regular spanks occasionally for discipline what they could possibly do to deserve it.

[Frazod]

It's dispiriting to see so many people say "my parents kicked my ass and I'm fine." You might think you are, but I guarantee that you're repressing a LOT of shit that needs to be unpacked.

Trauma is really fucking complicated.

You know, maybe we're not. Maybe we just learned from it, gained strength from it, without the need of headshrinkers, prescribed personality-altering drugs, therapy dogs or fucking safe spaces.

I remember once I was goofing off in the grocery store. A woman I didn't know smacked the shit out of me, then grabbed me by my ear and took me to my mom and told her what I did and what she did. Mom's reaction - she was mortified - not because a stranger had hit her child, but because her child had created a situation that warranted a stranger hitting her child. So she smacked the shit out of me again, thanked the woman and apologized for my behavior. Then, after we got home, I got my ass kicked a third time. Now, this was well over 40 years ago, and I don't even remember what I did in the first place to rate those three beatings, but I'm damned sure I never did it again.

I guess you'd want the woman in the grocery store to get 20 years hard labor, right? :shake:

[FAX]

Hunt had known anger issues before the draft. Thats why he dropped. The Chiefs thought they could fix him. They were wrong,


Hill had known issues with anger. Serious violence. The Chiefs knew and did the rest of the NFL. Thats why he dropped to to us in the 5th. The Chiefs thought they could fix him. They were wrong,

Clark had issues with violence before the draft. The Chiefs trade for him. give him a ton of money. Will history repeat itself.

Peters is another example of a Dorsey guy with "character" issues. His history was not known to be as violent, of course.

Unless you count the bus attack on the coach.

They couldn't fix him, either.

FAX

[RealSNR]

Hunt had known anger issues before the draft. Thats why he dropped. The Chiefs thought they could fix him. They were wrong,


Hill had known issues with anger. Serious violence. The Chiefs knew and did the rest of the NFL. Thats why he dropped to to us in the 5th. The Chiefs thought they could fix him. They were wrong,

Clark had issues with violence before the draft. The Chiefs trade for him. give him a ton of money. Will history repeat itself.

The first time I ever heard of the "known" anger issues with Hunt, it was after the February report where he got into that altercation in Ohio. And even then, I can't quite remember what these issues were, because they were pretty much, "Oh, he has a short fuse and gets angry." The dude didn't have a past of beating his girlfriends or anything (at least not reported).

The whole, "Kareem Hunt came back to bite them" thing is bullshit. In the case of Hunt, yes, the Chiefs knew what they were getting into and they fucking did it anyway. Hunt was far more of a blindside to them (and probably whoever else in this league that would have ended up drafting him). He was graded in the 3rd round by a lot of teams. Things that dropped him were things like the lack of breakaway speed, the heavy workload in college, the highlights only against small conference schools and talent, etc. Sure, "He has anger issues" probably was known by teams when they evaluated his personality and fit in a locker room, but let's not claim that he dropped to the 3rd round because of that. That's just inaccurate.

[carcosa]

Tbh yes. Nowadays this nation is getting soft. Everyone gets offended by anything and expects handouts. A little discipline in someone’s life would change them and ultimately change this country.

I'd argue that decade upon decade of parents hitting their kids for fear of being "soft" is a big part of what fucked this nation up in the first place.

It's possible to be firm and assertive and discipline your kids without coming close to traumatizing them. It's just a lot harder than kicking their ass and being done with it.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Hill is getting suspended by the Chiefs because the NFL refuses to make a proper policy. Why do you have problem with this?

I think the NFL should not be in the business of employing violent criminals. If other teams want to, that's their prerogative, but I see no reason why the Chiefs, or their fans, would want to reward violent criminals because they're good at football.

If the Chiefs win the AFCCG, does it make you a better parent? Does it make you better at your job? It's a fun thing to discuss and complain, and get excited about, but it's still just a form of entertainment. That's all it is. If you pass the buck because the NFL won't make a policy you are condoning the behavior.

And if the Chiefs have to lose a few football games because they aren't going to give millions of dollars to people who are societal menaces, I'm okay with that. Maybe you're not.

[RealSNR]

Tbh yes. Nowadays this nation is getting soft. Everyone gets offended by anything and expects handouts. A little discipline in someone’s life would change them and ultimately change this country.

The nation is getting soft.

And you don't get your mega millions.

Thanks for playing. You just lost the game of life. The work still would have owed you that money if you made it the four years and then started disciplining your kid that way again.

[Hammock Parties]

You know, maybe we're not. Maybe we just learned from it, gained strength from it, without the need of headshrinkers, prescribed personality-altering drugs, therapy dogs or fucking safe spaces.

I remember once I was goofing off in the grocery store. A woman I didn't know smacked the shit out of me, then grabbed me by my ear and took me to my mom and told her what I did and what she did. Mom's reaction - she was mortified - not because a stranger had hit her child, but because her child had created a situation that warranted a stranger hitting her child. So she smacked the shit out of me again, thanked the woman and apologized for my behavior. Then, after we got home, I got my ass kicked a third time. Now, this was well over 40 years ago, and I don't even remember what I did in the first place to rate those three beatings, but I'm damned sure I never did it again.

I guess you'd want the woman in the grocery store to get 20 years hard labor, right? :shake:

I once got damn near a concussion because my dad was clowning around in the backyard with me and our doberman and the doberman rammed me into a wall headfirst.

My dad should have gone to prison for sure, the dog should have been put down.

[Sassy Squatch]

I believe you are missing the point. Mainly that while a belt is appalling to you, it probably isn’t to him (in fact it might a great tool to him) and therefore questions like what the kid could do to deserve it are not relevant in his perspective. It might be like someone who is appalled by spanking asking a parent who regular spanks occasionally for discipline what they could possibly do to deserve it.
Sorry, but I really don't give a shit about Hills "perspective" on this issue considering an appropriate response in his mind to his 8 week pregnant girlfriend pissing him off is to punch and choke her.

[carcosa]

You know, maybe we're not. Maybe we just learned from it, gained strength from it, without the need of headshrinkers, prescribed personality-altering drugs, therapy dogs or fucking safe spaces.

I remember once I was goofing off in the grocery store. A woman I didn't know smacked the shit out of me, then grabbed me by my ear and took me to my mom and told her what I did and what she did. Mom's reaction - she was mortified - not because a stranger had hit her child, but because her child had created a situation that warranted a stranger hitting her child. So she smacked the shit out of me again, thanked the woman and apologized for my behavior. Then, after we got home, I got my ass kicked a third time. Now, this was well over 40 years ago, and I don't even remember what I did in the first place to rate those three beatings, but I'm damned sure I never did it again.

I guess you'd want the woman in the grocery store to get 20 years hard labor, right? :shake:

No, but it was clearly fucked up for her to do that to you.

Rationalize it however you want, but there's absolutely no way that experience had a positive effect on you.

It sucks how this society teaches us that we deserve to be treated like shit from such an early age.

[Frazod]

I once got damn near a concussion because my dad was clowning around in the backyard with me and our doberman and the doberman rammed me into a wall headfirst.

My dad should have gone to prison for sure, the dog should have been put down.

And don't forget the years of extended therapy! :whackit:

[mr. tegu]

Sorry, bit I really don't give a shit about Hills "perspective" on this issue considering an appropriate response in his mind to his 8 week pregnant girlfriend pissing him off is to punch and choke her.


Maybe you don’t care about it but it is relevant when asking about what could make, in his mind, that punishment be deserved.

[Frazod]

No, but it was clearly fucked up for her to do that to you.

Rationalize it however you want, but there's absolutely no way that experience had a positive effect on you.

It sucks how this society teaches us that we deserve to be treated like shit from such an early age.

Are you a woman? Christ, I hope so.

[kcpasco]

I think the NFL should not be in the business of employing violent criminals. If other teams want to, that's their prerogative, but I see no reason why the Chiefs, or their fans, would want to reward violent criminals because they're good at football.

If the Chiefs win the AFCCG, does it make you a better parent? Does it make you better at your job? It's a fun thing to discuss and complain, and get excited about, but it's still just a form of entertainment. That's all it is. If you pass the buck because the NFL won't make a policy you are condoning the behavior.

And if the Chiefs have to lose a few football games because they aren't going to give millions of dollars to people who are societal menaces, I'm okay with that. Maybe you're not.

The Chiefs are keeping a child abusing sociopath from playing for another NFL team. They should praised as heroes for all abused children. If they released him he would just be picked up by Dorsey or another shithead because Roger obviously hates children.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

You know, maybe we're not. Maybe we just learned from it, gained strength from it, without the need of headshrinkers, prescribed personality-altering drugs, therapy dogs or fucking safe spaces.

I remember once I was goofing off in the grocery store. A woman I didn't know smacked the shit out of me, then grabbed me by my ear and took me to my mom and told her what I did and what she did. Mom's reaction - she was mortified - not because a stranger had hit her child, but because her child had created a situation that warranted a stranger hitting her child. So she smacked the shit out of me again, thanked the woman and apologized for my behavior. Then, after we got home, I got my ass kicked a third time. Now, this was well over 40 years ago, and I don't even remember what I did in the first place to rate those three beatings, but I'm damned sure I never did it again.

I guess you'd want the woman in the grocery store to get 20 years hard labor, right? :shake:

If we accept the premise that parents being more willing to use discipline on their kids led to better behaved kids and that that parents aren't willing to do that as often now, the logical conclusion would be that there are fewer behaved kids, right? And it's usually those hellions that end up becoming derelicts, which I will not argue.

Howver, that becomes a little bit harder to reconcile when you look at rates of violent crime in the US over time.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Violent_Crime_in_the_United_States.png

[RealSNR]

Great Jesus ...

Corporal punishment with a damn belt? What kind of belt? I'm pretty sure that some belts are designed to hurt more than others. Some belts will simply leave welts while others are embedded with metal that cuts right through to the bone. And I'm sure some guys consider the buckle the business end.

Why not beat the kid with a snowshoe? Or strangle him with a pair of pants?

WTF are we talking about here?

FAX

My dad used masturbate into a sock and make me wear it over my head around the house for an entire day. And I turned out fine!

[Warrick]

ROFL

[Sassy Squatch]

My dad used masturbate into a sock and make me wear it over my head around the house for an entire day. And I turned out fine!
No you did not

[jerryaldini]

The belt thing is fine. I got beat with a belt. Pretty sure a lot of people did growing up

Yeah, but not until we were older. I think I was about 8 when I got my first. It worked. My friends all got the belt. Hell the school principal could beat you on the ass with a plank multiple times, and did. But kid that young, and punching, definitely not.

I really hope Tyreek can get the work he needs and later reconcile with the boy and they can go on to a loving relationship at some point. Tragic.

[kcpasco]

Clark Hunt could come out looking like a hero on this. If he is the one to force Roger to care about the children.

[carcosa]

Are you a woman? Christ, I hope so.

That's right. As men, we're taught that we're supposed to be okay with being abused, that we're pussies if we don't just take it and repress it. Yep. Pretty textbook stuff here.

This is the sort of mentality that churns out the Tyreek Hills and Adrian Petersons of the world. We internalize the terrible shit that happens to us and inevitably go on to inflict it on others. The cycle continues indefinitely.

This stuff is so depressing. (Oops, not supposed to get depressed, either. Sorry.)

[FAX]

Maybe the Chiefs just aren't particularly good at "fixing" people.

Then again, maybe that's not their job. Maybe their job is to put a team on the field that wins football games. Maybe a significant number of players emerge from bad families and bad neighborhoods. And maybe the college experience is insufficient to provide a foundation that allows players to alter their behavioral patterns. Maybe when you give a guy like that an assload of fame and fortune, they simply can't handle it.

It that's true, maybe an NFL team is simply not equipped to provide the necessary psychological services to change a person's life. And if so, why would we expect any other outcome in these cases? Why should we expect anything at all? Other than wins, that is.

Football teams are not intervention services designed to improve society. It would be nice if they were, but is that a reasonable burden to place on organizations that have no such expertise and are actually devoted to and encourage controlled violence?

FAX

[mr. tegu]

If we accept the premise that parents being more willing to use discipline on their kids led to better behaved kids and that that parents aren't willing to do that as often now, the logical conclusion would be that there are fewer behaved kids, right? And it's usually those hellions that end up becoming derelicts, which I will not argue.

Howver, that becomes a little bit harder to reconcile when you look at rates of violent crime in the US over time.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Violent_Crime_in_the_United_States.png


Violent crime would be 18 year olds and over right? (Don’t know really). If so that graph shows the biggest decline is mid 90s and sort of levels off in early 2000s with continual gradual decreases. But for the biggest change you are looking at kids born late 70s and early 80s as the youngest options with most born earlier. Just based on my perception the less frequency of physical discipline is actually more of a last 20-25 years thing but is good to see a continual steady decline. I guess what caused the increase might be a discussion as well though.

[carcosa]

If we accept the premise that parents being more willing to use discipline on their kids led to better behaved kids and that that parents aren't willing to do that as often now, the logical conclusion would be that there are fewer behaved kids, right? And it's usually those hellions that end up becoming derelicts, which I will not argue.

Howver, that becomes a little bit harder to reconcile when you look at rates of violent crime in the US over time.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Violent_Crime_in_the_United_States.png

Yeah, well. The idea that we all deserve to be treated like shit is stronger than anything supported by data, unfortunately.

[Frazod]

If we accept the premise that parents being more willing to use discipline on their kids led to better behaved kids and that that parents aren't willing to do that as often now, the logical conclusion would be that there are fewer behaved kids, right? And it's usually those hellions that end up becoming derelicts, which I will not argue.

Howver, that becomes a little bit harder to reconcile when you look at rates of violent crime in the US over time.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Violent_Crime_in_the_United_States.png

Your chart sort of disproves your argument. Do you think kids back in 1960 were getting timeouts and participation trophies? Seems like shit started to spike as soon as all the kids who were ruined by the late 60s started crapping out undisciplined brats.

And also, do you think that the fact that we're under almost constant surveillance now might have something to do with any drop in crime?

[kcpasco]

Maybe a shitty upbringing combined with a violent sport is the problem. Maybe a percentage of the player base can’t flip the light switch off when the game is over. But no one will want to talk about that.

Any phychologist want to chime in?

[BlackOp]

Maybe the Chiefs just aren't particularly good at "fixing" people.



Or they are located in the mid-west where people have nothing else to do but fixate on shit like this..

[Frazod]

That's right. As men, we're taught that we're supposed to be okay with being abused, that we're pussies if we don't just take it and repress it. Yep. Pretty textbook stuff here.

This is the sort of mentality that churns out the Tyreek Hills and Adrian Petersons of the world. We internalize the terrible shit that happens to us and inevitably go on to inflict it on others. The cycle continues indefinitely.

This stuff is so depressing. (Oops, not supposed to get depressed, either. Sorry.)

That's okay. When you're sobbing about me to your therapist tomorrow, remember, that Frazod with a "z".

[FAX]

That's right. As men, we're taught that we're supposed to be okay with being abused, that we're pussies if we don't just take it and repress it. Yep. Pretty textbook stuff here.

This is the sort of mentality that churns out the Tyreek Hills and Adrian Petersons of the world. We internalize the terrible shit that happens to us and inevitably go on to inflict it on others. The cycle continues indefinitely.

This stuff is so depressing. (Oops, not supposed to get depressed, either. Sorry.)

Dude ... you're making me tear up a little over here ...

I'm beginning to question my raison d'etre. I mean, seriously.

FAX

[CrazyPhuD]

My dad used masturbate into a sock and make me wear it over my head around the house for an entire day. And I turned out fine!

I bet that was the last time you were playing outside and didn't come when your dad called right?

[BossChief]

Okay, so you don't want to cut Hill so that another team gets a shot at him. Where do you draw the line?

If one of these dudes beat the shit out of your wife or child, would you still hope the Chiefs held onto him if he could take the top off of a defense?

Everything in the NFL has a value attributed to it. Draft picks, cap space, roster spots, coaching positions, etc. everything.

I don’t want Tyreek Hill to be able to play football for the Chiefs ever again. I think he should probably have to go to prison for a full year and prove to society that he understands what he did and that there will be more severe consequences if this were to ever happen again. Rehabilitation needs to happen immediately. It’s horrific to think that he hit this child while he was still in the womb and likely broke his arm at age 3. Terrible.

But

I do believe that out of 31 other nfl teams, one of them is willing to be stupid enough to roll the dice with Hill. He is a damaged commodity that is sure to have diminished value, but there is likely still some value there.

If he’s ever going to play again, KC should own that value and be able to extract it.

If he’s going to play again, some dumb team should have to pay a pick for the chance.

[carcosa]

That's okay. When you're sobbing about me to your therapist tomorrow, remember, that Frazod with a "z".

All I'll say is I understand why you think this way.

[FAX]

Charts. Now we have charts.

FAX

[Sassy Squatch]

Why is the guy who runs around constantly screaming different variations of "FUCK" and "SHIT" and the occasional "yip" all of a sudden Dr Phil lite? It's fucking bizzare.

[ROYC75]

My dad used masturbate into a sock and make me wear it over my head around the house for an entire day. And I turned out fine!

ROFL

ROFL

ROFL

ROFL

ROFL


That was a 5 star clap for you!

[FAX]

I think we need a chart to properly analyze that.

FAX

[ROYC75]

My dad used masturbate into a sock and make me wear it over my head around the house for an entire day. And I turned out fine!

I had to clean my screen off damn it!!!

ROFL

[CrazyPhuD]

Charts. Now we have charts.

FAX

We just need stick figure animation of the incident now.

[BlackOp]

Make no mistake..Hill is a bonafide superstar who was about to be the highest paid WR in the world.

Chiefs are going to handle this differently than Hunt....generational talent buys you that. It will show you exactly where the line of faux morality ends and true talent begins.

You dont just haphazardly kick Hill to curb..

[TribalElder]

If it was recorded in Dubai it might be considered illegal recording

Either way though if he would have lived in Missouri instead of OP Kansas this likely never sees the light of day.

Best bet would have been to ditch that girl and not hurt the child

[mr. tegu]

No, but it was clearly fucked up for her to do that to you.



Rationalize it however you want, but there's absolutely no way that experience had a positive effect on you.



It sucks how this society teaches us that we deserve to be treated like shit from such an early age.


If someone believes certain events had positive effects on them, denying them those beliefs because they don’t fit your view of how they should feel is not really how it works. Now if you observe them beating kids or others excessively and they express rage unhealthily that’s different but without that you really can’t say it had no positive effects.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Violent crime would be 18 year olds and over right? (Don’t know really). If so that graph doesn’t say much as the decline is mid 90s and sort of levels off in early 2000s so you are looking at kids born late 70s and early 80s as the youngest options with most born earlier. Just based on my perception the less frequency of physical discipline is actually more of a last 20-25 years thing and this graph doesn’t really point to a noticeable decline in the last 15-20 years but is good to see continual steady improvement.

Again, if we accept that the kids in the past were paddled more often, why are the rates of criminal behavior so high, and why did they drop off if the null hypothesis is that parents have become more lax over time?

Violent crime rates began dropping shortly after 1990. That's 29 years ago. Corporal punishment was unheard of in my elementary and secondary experience which started in '88 and ran through 2000, and while the rates of people who agree that spanking is acceptable has declined, it's a very gradual decline over the last 25 years. Rates of corporal punishment have also declined over the last generation, and the practice is largely unheard of now outside of the South.

As a parent that has used spanking as a redirect, I'm not against it, but there is no compelling evidence that things like paddling or using a belt lead to better outcomes. If there were, one would expect a relative change in the rate of various offenses, but the data is not there.

Every older generation thinks younger generations are soft pussies, and every older generation overrates their toughess. I'm old enough to remember when the 50-somethings on this board were all labeled as morose, navel-gazing slackers by their parents. It was a bullshit characterization, too.

Part of a parent's job is to discipline their child and instill a set of morals and values in them, but I don't think the child should never fear the parent.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

If it was recorded in Dubai it might be considered illegal recording

Either way though if he would have lived in Missouri instead of OP Kansas this likely never sees the light of day.

Best bet would have been to ditch that girl and not hurt the child

Both KS and MO are one-party consent states.

[007]

Why is the guy who runs around constantly screaming different variations of "FUCK" and "SHIT" and the occasional "yip" all of a sudden Dr Phil lite? It's fucking bizzare.

Absolutely correct

[mr. tegu]

Again, if we accept that the kids in the past were paddled more often, why are the rates of criminal behavior so high, and why did they drop off if the null hypothesis is that parents have become more lax over time?



Violent crime rates began dropping shortly after 1990. That's 29 years ago. Corporal punishment was unheard of in my elementary and secondary experience which started in '88 and ran through 2000, and while the rates of people who agree that spanking is acceptable has declined, it's a very gradual decline over the last 25 years. Rates of corporal punishment have also declined over the last generation, and the practice is largely unheard of now outside of the South.



As a parent that has used spanking as a redirect, I'm not against it, but there is no compelling evidence that things like paddling or using a belt lead to better outcomes. If there were, one would expect a relative change in the rate of various offenses, but the data is not there.



Every older generation thinks younger generations are soft pussies, and every older generation overrates their toughess. I'm old enough to remember when the 50-somethings on this board were all labeled as morose, navel-gazing slackers by their parents. It was a bullshit characterization, too.



Part of a parent's job is to discipline their child and instill a set of morals and values in them, but I don't think the child should never fear the parent.


I didn’t connect that you were discussing punishment beyond simple spanking. So that form of corporal punishment definitely has been in decline longer than spanking.

After thinking about it for a minute I think some major global war events definitely contributed to those rapidly rising numbers prior to the 1990s decline.

[carcosa]

Why is the guy who runs around constantly screaming different variations of "FUCK" and "SHIT" and the occasional "yip" all of a sudden Dr Phil lite? It's fucking bizzare.

Yip

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Your chart sort of disproves your argument. Do you think kids back in 1960 were getting timeouts and participation trophies? Seems like shit started to spike as soon as all the kids who were ruined by the late 60s started crapping out undisciplined brats.

And also, do you think that the fact that we're under almost constant surveillance now might have something to do with any drop in crime?

So the kids in the late 60's were undisciplined, but the kids in the mid 70's-80's were more disciplined, yet the crime rate went up that entire time? Did the kids suddenly become more disciplined in the late 80's to early 90's?

And the helicopter parent argument has been around this entire century, yet there's no spike in apparent delinquency?

[FAX]

My dad used masturbate into a sock and make me wear it over my head around the house for an entire day. And I turned out fine!

That's what I'm talking about ...

The kind of guy who could raise an entire infantry platoon of outstanding citizens and do it barefoot.

FAX

[Jim Jones]

I don't think it's a bad thing for a child to fear a parent. I was afraid of my dad. I loved him, but I was scared of him.

I can tolerate spanking a child.

But the part about Tyreek making his 3-year-old son "hold his arms open while he punches him in the chest" every time he cries is sickening. That goes beyond punishment in my mind. That is child abuse.

[BlackOp]

Charts. Now we have charts.

FAX

Do we have a chart...that pinpoints the exact moment when your hot psycho girlfriend destroys everything in her path?

I think a lot of men would find that useful.

[Demonpenz]

Veach sucks but his mic skills are great. Put him on Thursday thunder

[TribalElder]

Both KS and MO are one-party consent states.

Agree but was it recorded in a Dubai airport? Heard that mentioned at one point during this crazy shitstorm. If it was recorded in Dubai does that matter

[FAX]

I don't think it's a bad thing for a child to fear a parent. I was afraid of my dad. I loved him, but I was scared of him.

I can tolerate a spanking and even a whipping with the belt.

But the part about Tyreek making his 3-year-old son "hold his arms open while he punches him in the chest" every time he cries is sickening. That goes beyond punishment in my mind. That is child abuse.

Yeah ... that was the part that snapped in me, as well ...

It sounds like something you do during a drinking game at a frat party or in the military to counteract the flinch response. It probably works on young men who need to develop self-control and emotional discipline.

But on a 3-year old? Nope. Not even ...

FAX

[kcpasco]

Devils advocacte here. It’s weird and absolutely disturbing about the punching thing. But was it a thump or a full on Ryu level street fighter punch?

Reek is a strong guy. If he went full street fighter on anyone of us normal clowns, we probably die.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Agree but was it recorded in a Dubai airport? Heard that mentioned at one point during this crazy shitstorm. If it was recorded in Dubai does that matter

It was, but IANAL. I would expect that would be subject to some type of legal challenge for admissability, but she wouldn't face any punishment in the US b/c it didn't happen in the US.

Maybe they'll extradite her back to the UAE.

[BlackOp]

Agree but was it recorded in a Dubai airport? Heard that mentioned at one point during this crazy shitstorm. If it was recorded in Dubai does that matter

I hope so...so Hill can burn that shit TV station to ground.

[comochiefsfan]

At this point, as tough as it is, Tyreek just needs to go.

Even if he somehow ended up staying, something else will inevitably come up down the road.

I'm tired of having to follow news stories about my favorite players being pieces of shit.

It's heartbreaking as a fan because I loved that team last year. Mahomes, Kelce, Hunt and Hill when they were all clicking was truly something to behold. But i'm tired of the embarrassment. We have Mahomes and we can build around him with guys who aren't lowlife scum.

It's just time to turn the page. The mental gymnastics i've performed to defend these guys is wearing me down. I'm over it. Time to move on.

[TribalElder]

It was, but IANAL. I would expect that would be subject to some type of legal challenge for admissability, but she wouldn't face any punishment in the US b/c it didn't happen in the US.

Maybe they'll extradite her back to the UAE.

Looked like UAE frowned in that but I doubt they matter much

I wondered if KS would allow the illegal recording into evidence, might re open the criminal charges