*****The Rashad Fenton Thread*****

[Dante84]

more to come...

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[Iconic]

fenton is strictly a zone guy wtf is this pick

[Sassy Squatch]

https://i.imgur.com/l9xkOXp.gif

[Red Dawg]

Damn this thread went up fast. Ninja quickness with a hint of Cobra Kai style.

[thabear04]

Rashad Fenton CB South Carolina. 3 Ints, 9 pass break ups in 2018

[Hammock Parties]

Jesus CHRIST FENTON!!!

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[lewdog]

Shitty pick.

[WhawhaWhat]

I'm pissed off about this guy I've never heard of.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Fuck Veach!!

[Jerok]

Oh well, there's always next year to get a player we've heard of in the 6th round.

Inb4 pro bowl

[Red Dawg]

Shitty pick.

Did you watch the video? We got a steal

[Bump]

fenton is strictly a zone guy wtf is this pick

doesn't 4-3 defenses run a lot of cover 2 and zone?

[New World Order]

fenton is strictly a zone guy wtf is this pick

Only means one thing:

PP is cumming

[CasselGotPeedOn]

Shitty pick.

https://i.imgur.com/P1jBhrQ.gif

[TinyEvel]

I know nothing about football and I am happy.

[Iconic]

doesn't 4-3 defenses run a lot of cover 2 and zone?

breeland came out and said we were going to run a lot of man. i just don't get it. there's guys who could be potential starters still on the board and we grab a guy who will be nothing more than depth in this league.

[Easy 6]

Shitty pick.

Fenton finna prove all y’all bitches wrong!!!

[JohnnyV13]

He has rap music in his highlight video. He's clearly a criminal who will beat up women and children.

We need to draft someone that drives a Camaro and has a mullet.

[Red Dawg]

https://i.imgur.com/P1jBhrQ.gif

What the hell? Lol.

[MTG#10]

Camp fodder

[RealSNR]

We all had this reaction to the Kahlil McKenzie pick last year.

Maybe we're going to convert Fenton to offensive line?

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Man, Brett Veach has a freakin&#39; TYPE. From <a href="https://twitter.com/DraftNetworkLLC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DraftNetworkLLC</a> on Rashad Fenton:<br>&quot;Best fit likely comes as a slot corner who gets plenty of chances to play in press and man coverage.&quot;</p>&mdash; Joshua Brisco (@jbbrisco) <a href="https://twitter.com/jbbrisco/status/1122237365727191040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[JohnnyV13]

breeland came out and said we were going to run a lot of man. i just don't get it. there's guys who could be potential starters still on the board and we grab a guy who will be nothing more than depth in this league.

Maybe they see him as a safety

[Iconic]

We all had this reaction to the Kahlil McKenzie pick last year.

Maybe we're going to convert Fenton to offensive line?

LMAO

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Apparently Fenton lines up everywhere. Nickel, corner and safety.

[kcclone]

His film looks bad

[nychief]

His highlights have a lot of dancing.

[Sassy Squatch]

Mathieu, Thornhill, and now Fenton. Sure seems like Spagnuolo wants his guys to be versatile.

[Unsmooth-Moment]

I don’t know if he’s good or bad, but I’m angry. Fuck Veach.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Chiefs corner Rashad Fenton is the guy who lost his shoe during a drill at this year&#39;s NFL Combine. <a href="https://t.co/y5AfSNxqSb">https://t.co/y5AfSNxqSb</a></p>&mdash; Jeff Rosen (@jeff_rosen88) <a href="https://twitter.com/jeff_rosen88/status/1122238325585268737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Sounds like he’s more of press man type based on some scouting reports but doesn’t possess the athleticism to recover when beat...

Like all 6th rounders, little should be expected.

[bigjosh]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Chiefs corner Rashad Fenton is the guy who lost his shoe during a drill at this year&#39;s NFL Combine. <a href="https://t.co/y5AfSNxqSb">https://t.co/y5AfSNxqSb</a></p>— Jeff Rosen (@jeff_rosen88) <a href="https://twitter.com/jeff_rosen88/status/1122238325585268737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Great, a guy that cant even tie his shoes right

[Simplicity]

Already better than Steven Nelson

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Great, a guy that cant even tie his shoes right

At least he can spell his name right

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Remember Tremon Smith was a sixth round pick last year. Second best returner in the NFL

[Simplicity]

Great, a guy that cant even tie his shoes right

As long as he can keep his socks on the whole game that is all I care for.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;Lower body twitch, flashing the quick reflexes to pattern match…flashes a burst mid-route to undercut throws…quick-footed with smooth hip-turn to stay on top of routes…looks to mix things up in the run game…intense on-field competitor.&quot;<a href="https://twitter.com/dpbrugler?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@dpbrugler</a> on Rashad Fenton.</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/1122238815387705345?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[New World Order]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Chiefs corner Rashad Fenton is the guy who lost his shoe during a drill at this year&#39;s NFL Combine. <a href="https://t.co/y5AfSNxqSb">https://t.co/y5AfSNxqSb</a></p>&mdash; Jeff Rosen (@jeff_rosen88) <a href="https://twitter.com/jeff_rosen88/status/1122238325585268737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He can't tie his shoes?

[Iconic]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Chiefs corner Rashad Fenton is the guy who lost his shoe during a drill at this year&#39;s NFL Combine. <a href="https://t.co/y5AfSNxqSb">https://t.co/y5AfSNxqSb</a></p>&mdash; Jeff Rosen (@jeff_rosen88) <a href="https://twitter.com/jeff_rosen88/status/1122238325585268737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

tfw this is what your pick is best known for

[siberian khatru]

tfw this is what your pick is best known for

Hey, Chris Jones had his dick fall out

[-King-]

tfw this is what your pick is best known for

Who did you have on your 6th round big board? Who did you mock to us?

[redfan]

That was an agile shoe recovery.

[Sassy Squatch]

tfw this is what your pick is best known for
I know, right?!? First it was homophobic tweets, then thicc backflips, and now this?!?

[Warrick]

https://www.patriots.com/video/2019-draft-prospects-rashad-fenton-cb-south-carolina

I don't think he is as bad as some of you make him out to be... He seems to be in the right position to make a play on the ball, he fights for everything on the shorter routes as well, and he doesn't seem to bite on the go routes... Then again I haven't seen all the film on this kid. He looks weak in the tackling department, he will have to attend TM's drills.

[Kiimo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Chiefs corner Rashad Fenton is the guy who lost his shoe during a drill at this year&#39;s NFL Combine. <a href="https://t.co/y5AfSNxqSb">https://t.co/y5AfSNxqSb</a></p>&mdash; Jeff Rosen (@jeff_rosen88) <a href="https://twitter.com/jeff_rosen88/status/1122238325585268737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

picking up your shoe is the new staying off the ground

[FAX]

Is this the guy who set the collegiate record for being dragged by a receiver downfield after the catch?

Same guy?

FAX

[poolboy]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;Lower body twitch, flashing the quick reflexes to pattern match…flashes a burst mid-route to undercut throws…quick-footed with smooth hip-turn to stay on top of routes…looks to mix things up in the run game…intense on-field competitor.&quot;<a href="https://twitter.com/dpbrugler?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@dpbrugler</a> on Rashad Fenton.</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/1122238815387705345?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

who the hell talks like this on a six round prospect ROFL
True love is hard to find. Sometimes you think you have true love and then you catch the early flight home from San Diego and a couple of nude people jump out of your bathroom blindfolded like a goddamn magic show, ready to double-team your girlfriend...

[carcosa]

I'VE GOT AN ODD RASH FOR RASHAD!!!

[ROYC75]

fenton is strictly a zone guy wtf is this pick

BS. You know " Nothing " on the guy.

Better at Press, zone is his weaker coverage.

Has played CB & safety.

He is a project, what guys at this range isn't.

He is a guy they hope to take a spot next year, will see limited coverage this year.

[ROYC75]

doesn't 4-3 defenses run a lot of cover 2 and zone?

Do, Fenton has great footwork for a corner, has speed to cover. He gets mixed up in zone coverage's but is a very good press man.

He's coach-able.

Come on gang, ya gotta trust Andy's and Brett's assessment of this kid!
:)

[ROYC75]

breeland came out and said we were going to run a lot of man. i just don't get it. there's guys who could be potential starters still on the board and we grab a guy who will be nothing more than depth in this league.

Camp fodder

We all had this reaction to the Kahlil McKenzie pick last year.

Maybe we're going to convert Fenton to offensive line?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Man, Brett Veach has a freakin&#39; TYPE. From <a href="https://twitter.com/DraftNetworkLLC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DraftNetworkLLC</a> on Rashad Fenton:<br>&quot;Best fit likely comes as a slot corner who gets plenty of chances to play in press and man coverage.&quot;</p>&mdash; Joshua Brisco (@jbbrisco) <a href="https://twitter.com/jbbrisco/status/1122237365727191040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Apparently Fenton lines up everywhere. Nickel, corner and safety.

Sounds like he’s more of press man type based on some scouting reports but doesn’t possess the athleticism to recover when beat...

Like all 6th rounders, little should be expected.

Remember Tremon Smith was a sixth round pick last year. Second best returner in the NFL


Aw fug it, I'm late to the Fenton bash! ROFL

[RustShack]

Do, Fenton has great footwork for a corner, has speed to cover. He gets mixed up in zone coverage's but is a very good press man.

He's coach-able.

Come on gang, ya gotta trust Andy's and Brett's assessment of this kid!
:)

Interesting. Everywhere else says he doesn’t have speed to recover..

[htismaqe]

doesn't 4-3 defenses run a lot of cover 2 and zone?

Nope. Fronts, alignments, and coverage are all independent and interchangeable.

[crazycoffey]

In the highlight reel he was wrapping up tackles, not afraid of contact and in coverage he was looking for the ball, as long as he runs pretty fast and is over 5’10, what’s the problem?

[Aspengc8]

Nope. Fronts, alignments, and coverage are all independent and interchangeable.

john madden football has turned everyone into defensive coordinators :)

[Chiefshrink]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Chiefs corner Rashad Fenton is the guy who lost his shoe during a drill at this year&#39;s NFL Combine. <a href="https://t.co/y5AfSNxqSb">https://t.co/y5AfSNxqSb</a></p>&mdash; Jeff Rosen (@jeff_rosen88) <a href="https://twitter.com/jeff_rosen88/status/1122238325585268737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That is a good sign then since Jones junk came out during his combine. :D

[ROYC75]

Interesting. Everywhere else says he doesn’t have speed to recover..

I said cover, not recover.

[ct]

really the only pick i don’t like

jimmy moreland woulda been my choice

[RealSNR]

Remember Tremon Smith was a sixth round pick last year. Second best returner in the NFL

I'm pretty good if we replace Tremon Smith at returner.

And Hardman is going to get that job, not Fenton.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

I'm pretty good if we replace Tremon Smith at returner.

And Hardman is going to get that job, not Fenton.

Smith will be the KR. Hardman will be PR

[ROYC75]

Smith will be the KR. Hardman will be PR

Do you even know what you are talking about or do you just throw shit out there hoping somebody will agree with you?

[Sassy Squatch]

LMAO Guess people REALLY don't want to see a close up of a horses ass mid shit.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Do you even know what you are talking about or do you just throw shit out there hoping somebody will agree with you?

You act like Hardman will be KR and PR. Let me repeat to you, Tremon Smith was the second best KR in the NFL last year. He will not be replaced. However, Hill is gone so we need a PR. This is where Hardman comes into play

[Best22]

doesn't 4-3 defenses run a lot of cover 2 and zone?

No. KC will run whatever coverage they want

[Pablo]

LMAO Guess people REALLY don't want to see a close up of a horses ass mid shit.I thought it was a nice touch.

[ModSocks]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Chiefs corner Rashad Fenton is the guy who lost his shoe during a drill at this year&#39;s NFL Combine. <a href="https://t.co/y5AfSNxqSb">https://t.co/y5AfSNxqSb</a></p>&mdash; Jeff Rosen (@jeff_rosen88) <a href="https://twitter.com/jeff_rosen88/status/1122238325585268737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Fantastic. This is a good omen. Chris Jones lost his dick running the 40 and that worked out well for us. This well too.

[staylor26]

Fantastic. This is a good omen. Chris Jones lost his dick running the 40 and that worked out well for us. This well too.

LMAO :clap:

[RunKC]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Man, Brett Veach has a freakin&#39; TYPE. From <a href="https://twitter.com/DraftNetworkLLC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DraftNetworkLLC</a> on Rashad Fenton:<br>&quot;Best fit likely comes as a slot corner who gets plenty of chances to play in press and man coverage.&quot;</p>&mdash; Joshua Brisco (@jbbrisco) <a href="https://twitter.com/jbbrisco/status/1122237365727191040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If by type, they mean “how to beat your biggest competition aka New England” then yeah.

No coincidence that this guy, Honey Badger, Kendall Fuller and Juan Thornhill can all play in the slot.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

We go through this shit every year. Watching some of you clowns get pissy over 5th and 6th round picks makes me both laugh my ass off and want to backhand you simultaneously.

Will you EVER get a fucking grip, or are we doomed to read your nonsense until the globe explodes?

Fuck.

[kccrow]

Not a fan. Hope he turns out.

[YayMike]

Wouldn’t have been my choice here but fills a need on paper, let’s hope he develops.

[oldman]

Can he/will he tackle? Yes = groovy, No = WTF, Veach?

[Iconic]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The concentration to pick his shoe up in stride...<br><br>(via <a href="https://twitter.com/thecheckdown?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@thecheckdown</a>) <a href="https://t.co/utOOa8Q3Hl">pic.twitter.com/utOOa8Q3Hl</a></p>&mdash; Bleacher Report NFL (@BR_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/BR_NFL/status/1102606590673383425?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Great catch. Extends his arms to the ball and catches with sound fingertip techniques. Follows through with even better instincts using the shovel technique to grab his shoe without dropping a beat. Finishes strong, showing great burst and ball security with ball/shoe in hand, elbow is consistently tight to his frame.

I give this man a first round grade.

[Iconic]

Apparently this guy quit on his team at halftime of the Belk Bowl then lied and said it was a groin injury.

[Dante84]

Apparently this guy quit on his team at halftime of the Belk Bowl then lied and said it was a groin injury.

Meh, if I was a fringe draft prospect, I’d probably not have even suited up to risk injury

[Bowser]

I think this is about as good of a sixth round pick as you can hope for (the first person to invoke Brady's name gets Rompered, lol).

[Munson]

He's having a good game against the Donks.

[TwistedChief]

He's having a good game against the Donks.

Made three real plays. Buck called him “Felton” twice. Flashed promise.

[BossChief]

Definetely looks like he belongs. Held his own against a good group of WRs.

[ThaVirus]

Tight in coverage and, perhaps more impressively, tackling like prime Antoine Winfield tonight.

[mnchiefsguy]

Kid made some good plays tonight. Hope he keeps it up.

[Hammock Parties]

https://i.imgur.com/bVe3uh4.gif

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

See ya Fuller!!

[MahiMike]

Felton (Troy Aikman spelling) kicked ass.

[KChiefs1]

Pro Bowl level.

[JakeF]

You act like Hardman will be KR and PR. Let me repeat to you, Tremon Smith was the second best KR in the NFL last year. He will not be replaced. However, Hill is gone so we need a PR. This is where Hardman comes into play
Welp, this post is a complete bucket of lose. :harumph:





LMAO

[Imon Yourside]

Felton...errr....Fenton looked amazing tonight, but it was the shitty donkies. :)

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

This is gonna sound very stupid but do you even bring back Fuller if he’s healthy? Fenton is already better than him

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Welp, this post is a complete bucket of lose. :harumph:





LMAO

He had a return for 31 yards then it was Andy said you ran for too much yardage we need to rack up stats. DAT get in

[BigCatDaddy]

Nice pick, Veach!

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Played well

[TLO]

I want to see more of him.

[KC Hawks]

Should take over for Fuller.

[J Diddy]

I will be honest. They called him Felton once. I was like OK they miss spoke. When they called him Felton twice I was like you motherfuckers. And it got corrected.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

I will be honest. They called him Felton once. I was like OK they miss spoke. When they called him Felton twice I was like you mother****ers. And it got corrected.

I noticed that too.

[BWillie]

Great game but lets temper out expectations. Remember chodes of yester years that started out like ballers and fizzled out

[Chargem]

It's amazing how one little thing can change an outlook.

IF (that's a big if right now) Felton or Fenton (whichever plays better ROFL) can show promise in the slot for the rest of this season, maybe the corner back situation doesn't look so dire for next year.

[rtmike]

This is gonna sound very stupid but do you even bring back Fuller if he’s healthy? Fenton is already better than him

This is his last year and he doesn’t wanna resign?
So why be hurt right before trade deadline. :banghead:

As aggressive as Veach has been signing FA I don’t think we’d get a comp pick?

[tyreekthefreak]

I was impressed with Fenton too...….but lets see a couple more games with him before we start saying get rid of Fuller.

[Chargem]

I was impressed with Fenton too...….but lets see a couple more games with him before we start saying get rid of Fuller.

I think Fuller is already gone after the season. He's that kind of Albert Wilson level ability player that will get more money than he is worth, so the Chiefs won't keep him.

[KChiefs1]

Is it Fenton or Felton? After watching last nights game I’m not sure.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Don’t look now but PFF has Fenton as the Chiefs best defender!!

[carcosa]

I will be honest. They called him Felton once. I was like OK they miss spoke. When they called him Felton twice I was like you motherfuckers. And it got corrected.

I appreciate your honesty

[RealSNR]

It’s great that he gave us tight coverage on Daesean fucking Hamilton.

Let’s see him against an actual NFL receiver.

[rabblerouser]

Is it Fenton or Felton? After watching last nights game I’m not sure.

Neither is Troy Aikman.

[RealSNR]

Is it Fenton or Felton? After watching last nights game I’m not sure.

Neither. It's Felchin

[jerryaldini]

Yeah but the best part of last night's game was when Aikman laughed out loud at the Donks putting Flaccid back out on the field, and when he said it might have been the worst offense he's ever seen.

[rabblerouser]

Yeah but the best part of last night's game was when Aikman laughed out loud at the Donks putting Flaccid back out on the field, and when he said it might have been the worst offense he's ever seen.

Then he said he was shocked that the fans were still there.

I think Buck and Aikman stopped at a dispensary before the game...

[dlphg9]

Don’t look now but PFF has Fenton as the Chiefs best defender!!

You may have been right about Ward, but PFF is aids. I lost all respect for those guys the minute PMII was 6th and only one spot ahead of Carr on their QB rankings. To make it worse they came out defending their stupid fucking system and said a bunch of dumb shit as a defense.

Now with that being said, Felenton looked really damn good last night. I hope he keeps getting shots and him and Ward become bad asses. Its be nice to be set at the CB position and if you're number 3&4 corners are Fuller/Breeland, then you are pretty fucking set. We need to draft some LBs. We need a DJ at linebacker and this defense looks a whole lot better.

[Hammock Parties]

JESUS CHRIST FENTON!!!!

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Clay Fenton retweeted your post about him!

[Chargem]

I normally hate it here when some people relate absolutely everything back to the fucking Patriots, but some of those plays made me think maybe Fenton could man up Edelman on those short middle routes.

[Munson]

I normally hate it here when some people relate absolutely everything back to the fucking Patriots, but some of those plays made me think maybe Fenton could man up Edelman on those short middle routes.

I'm not saying he can't do it, but that's asking a lot from a rookie.

[RealSNR]

I think just about everybody (including myself) took potshots at this guy either when he was drafted, throughout the offseason, or during training camp/preseason.

When we had to start relying on him due to injuries in the secondary, I don't think there was a single person here who had any kind of inkling he would do this well.

To be fair to all of us... compare his college highlights to the plays he's made in the pros. I don't see the same player. At all.

Credit to Veach. Nice freakin' pick! Even if all he's ever good for is nickel and dime situations and special teams, that's still a pretty decent player to have for a 6th round pick. And ALL teams need players like that.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> CB Rashad Fenton came up big on Monday<br><br>• 76.9 Overall (NFL career high)<br>• 78.1 Coverage (NFL career high)<br>• 78.2 Tackling (Season: 86.4, 8th among CB w/ 100+ snaps)<br>• 18.8 Passer Rating Allowed<br>• INT with 4:13 remaining <br><br>��: Kirby Lee, USA Today<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/SJJhNvZbZw">pic.twitter.com/SJJhNvZbZw</a></p>&mdash; PFF KC Chiefs (@PFF_Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Chiefs/status/1197554533972484097?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 21, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sofa King]

Super glad we didn't give up all those picks for Ramsay.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

What do we do with Fuller when he comes back?

[Megatron96]

What do we do with Fuller when he comes back?

Any idea when that might be? Haven't really kept up with any news about Fuller.

[Sofa King]

Put him on the outside and bench Breeland.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Any idea when that might be? Haven't really kept up with any news about Fuller.

Probably after the bye. I want Fenton on the field

[staylor26]

I was surprised by Fenton’s success until I saw he played HS football at Carol City.

Guys from Miami are just built different from a competitive standpoint. They’re told at a very young age that it’s football or the streets for the rest of their lives. I’m not joking when I say the atmosphere for youth football leagues is like college football.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

He's a deeeeeemon Fenton

[SuperChief]

Put him on the outside and bench Breeland.

Meh, I'd rather they put Fuller back in the mix and use Fenton as needed. While he's played well, he still needs some seasoning for sure. I know, reps reps reps etc. etc. but he'll be great to have in case of further injury or a departure (or 2) next year.

[Megatron96]

Probably after the bye. I want Fenton on the field

So he's basically healthy.

[Kiimo]

Breeland has played better than Fuller though




I too said this was the one draft pick who was gonna suck.


I guess it's that lineman from Illinois then.



edit: who is our only backup center so we'll see on him too.

[suzzer99]

If they keep it up our young secondary is going to need a nickname.

Maybe The Dreads or something (due to Ward and Matthieu having colorful locks).

Or something actually good.

[Megatron96]

Breeland has played better than Fuller though




I too said this was the one draft pick who was gonna suck.


I guess it's that lineman from Illinois then.



edit: who is our only backup center so we'll see on him too.

Wiznewski has experience and can play center if necessary.

[Kiimo]

I'm so glad we didn't spend draft picks on a corner trade.


Use them all on linemen and linebackers.

[ModSocks]

Fenton makes Fuller expendable.

[Munson]

Nice job by the rookie forcing a fumble on the kickoff return.

[wheeler08]

Did Fenton get hurt during game or was it only Breeland that got hurt today?

[RunKC]

I ****ing love this guy. He played another great game today. Hell of a blitz and some really nice coverage plays.

Goddamn what a draft class!!!!

[The Franchise]

Fenton makes Fuller expendable.

I would almost look to being Fuller back purely as a safety.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Fenton is a very underrated player on this defense. He's quietly had a very good season.

[RealSNR]

I would almost look to being Fuller back purely as a safety.

Will be interesting. We'll probably try to re-sign either Breeland or Fuller, and whoever blinks first in negotiations (if either of them do) will be the guy we bring back.

I'd almost rather sign Breeland to a short term deal and draft a corner, but I also know much this defensive staff values versatility.

[Easy 6]

As far as I was concerned, he was this years Mr Irrelevant

Exceptional sixth round pick, looks like a natural... glad to be wrong

[Naptown Chief]

Fuck Veach!!

Another great take

[Naptown Chief]

I ****ing love this guy. He played another great game today. Hell of a blitz and some really nice coverage plays.

Goddamn what a draft class!!!!

Indeed.

[Dunerdr]

I dont remember noticing him during the game, thats probably good right?

[Dunerdr]

This man had Mark Fields job the whole time and we just didn't see it.

[smithandrew051]

Our secondary looks very strong going into next year.

I bet we’re able to extend Breeland on an affordable 2-3 year deal.

That would give us Honey Badger, Thornhill (hopefully doesn’t lose a step), Ward, Breeland, and Fenton as our starters. Watts will be back as well I’m sure.

I assume we’ll draft another CB/S to add to the group and sign a veteran in the offseason.

I feel so much better about our secondary than I did at this time last year. The future looks great.

[Bowser]

This kid has been a steal

[Kiimo]

When I saw Fenton drafted I thought this was the guy in the draft class that you go back and say wow I forgot about that guy did he ever play a snap?

Like a DJ White or a Sanders Commings or a Jalil Brown.

Man am I so pleased to be wrong. The only guy in this draft class who hasn't done anything yet is Nick Allegretti and that is the type of player who may need years and then surprise.

Best draft class in Chiefs history?

[tmax63]

Allegretti is getting reps on ST and he had 2 rep on O as well. For a late round flyer that isn't bad. At least he's still with the team and contributing something.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

He’s really good at timing PBUs it seems. Good technique coming from behind a player on underneath routes.

[Kiimo]

I'm holding out hope on him for sure. It takes time for linemen and especially centers. If he developed and was able to take over and play better than Austin Reiter that would be huge.


edit: Also his draft profile had a lack of upper body strength as a negative and maybe he just needs to power lift for like three years.

[Dante84]

Dude has been such a pleasant surprise so far. He has an attitude on the field and appears to be very confident.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

FWIW.... PFF said that Fenton’s week 17 performance against LAC was the best single game for a CB on this roster all season long.

If this guy is a legit player, holy balls what a draft class.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

I’ve had a hard on for him ever since his first game against the Donks. Glad to see I was right. Veach is the best GM in the league

[Hammock Parties]

Gonna guess we let Breeland walk and slide Fenton into that role.

[Skyy God]

Gonna guess we let Breeland walk and slide Fenton into that role.

Nah.

Ward/Breeland/Fenton/FA or draftee

[JakeF]

Gonna guess we let Breeland walk and slide Fenton into that role.Breeland is barely good enough to make our roster. Yes, we are letting him walk.

[JakeF]

Nah.

Ward/Breeland/Fenton/FA or draftee
Breeland is on a 1-year deal.

[staylor26]

Breeland is barely good enough to make our roster. Yes, we are letting him walk.

What the fuck are you talking about? Breeland has been a solid #2 and is definitely good enough to “make our roster”.

[JakeF]

What the fuck are you talking about? Breeland has been a solid #2 and is definitely good enough to “make our roster”.
Breeland is the guy out there making the mistakes.

Ward & Fenton > Breeland

Even Matheiu is better at CB than Breeland

[staylor26]

Breeland is the guy out there making the mistakes.

Ward & Fenton > Breeland

Even Matheiu is better at CB than Breeland

Breeland has one of the leagues best completion percentages against. It’s less than 50. He’s been beat and he’s had some penalties, but this idea that he hasn’t been solid for the most part is fucking retarded. Every corner gets beat in today’s NFL.

And Matheiu plays inside when he plays corner. You’re comparing two different positions. He is not a better outside corner than Breeland.

[Hammock Parties]

I bet Breeland gets money thrown at him.

Teams are desperate for corners.

[BigCatDaddy]

90% of the first 75 post hated this pick LMAO

[saphojunkie]

Breeland is barely good enough to make our roster. Yes, we are letting him walk.

My god man

[Chief Northman]

Breeland will definitely get a good contract offer.

If the Chiefs can only keep one of him or Fuller at around the same price, I’m keeping Fuller. He’s more versatile. Fuller can play nickel and outside and FS, while Breeland is pretty much an outside corner only.

[Dante84]

Is Keith Reaser done-done?

I still have some hope there post IR

[pugsnotdrugs19]

This guy just keeps making plays. He’s the real deal I think.

[el borracho]

I'm impressed, although I hope he hangs onto the next easy interception.

[staylor26]

Was he playing safety instead of Watts?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Was he playing safety instead of Watts?

It sure seemed that way.

They all just play all over the middle of the field except Ward and Breeland

[staylor26]

It sure seemed that way.

They all just play all over the middle of the field except Ward and Breeland

Spags is so good with DB’s.

That’s the biggest difference compared to Sutton, along with actually mixing things up.

[The Franchise]

I’ll eat crow for this pick.

[Chris Meck]

It sure seemed that way.

They all just play all over the middle of the field except Ward and Breeland

With the exception of the outside corners, Spags has everyone playing anywhere on any given snap.

Flexibility is GOOD.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I’ll eat crow for this pick.

I think everyone will

[BigCatDaddy]

He really looked bad in the preseason also. Glad it worked out.

[staylor26]

Seems like nobody is giving this guy a shot at being a starter next year. I personally liked what I saw out of him and think he has a decent shot at turning into a solid starter.

[Chief Northman]

Seems like nobody is giving this guy a shot at being a starter next year. I personally liked what I saw out of him and think he has a decent shot at turning into a solid starter.

Physically, there are no issues with Fenton. He can matchup and play off, or press and be great. He needs work with scheme discipline though, but that will improve with experience and time. He has a higher ceiling than Ward IMO.

[TLO]

This guy is good

[ModSocks]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Chiefs corner Rashad Fenton is the guy who lost his shoe during a drill at this year&#39;s NFL Combine. <a href="https://t.co/y5AfSNxqSb">https://t.co/y5AfSNxqSb</a></p>&mdash; Jeff Rosen (@jeff_rosen88) <a href="https://twitter.com/jeff_rosen88/status/1122238325585268737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Fantastic. This is a good omen. Chris Jones lost his dick running the 40 and that worked out well for us. This well too.

God i love me some me.

[Pitt Gorilla]

I’ll eat crow for this pick.

Crow? I can't imagine anyone caring much either way for a SIXTH round pick.

[Jamie]

For what it's worth, PFF has Fenton as their #1 graded corner in football right now.

[Hydrae]

Crow? I can't imagine anyone caring much either way for a SIXTH round pick.

Other than the fact that we got GREAT return on that investment! :)

[staylor26]

I don’t think we’re talking enough about this guy.

He’s making that 2019 draft look MUCH better.

[-King-]

Looks to be the best cover corner. Sneed is still the best overall corner though. Reminds me of Brandon Flowers.

[ModSocks]

I don’t think we’re talking enough about this guy.

He’s making that 2019 draft look MUCH better.

Looked good last season too.

Everyone keeps talking like taking Sorenson off the field fixed our secondary. It was more than that.

It was also:

1. Fenton taking over for Hughes
2. Ward back in the lineup.

[kccrow]

I didn't care for him much coming out and didn't think he'd ever turn into anything. Glad to know I was wrong. :D

[jettio]

Andy Reid seemed to give Fenton an earful for the DPI call.

Andy seemed like he was considering it a mental error instead of a physical error. Andy rarely confronts a player during a game unless it is a mental error.

Coaches must be emphasizing no penalties. Maybe telling DBs to use less hands in coverage.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Having a phenomenal year. Ward Fenton and Sneed are a great set of corners and they've invested very little on them. That's how you continue to win with a 500 million dollar QB

[JPH83]

He's the number 1 ranked CB according to PFF. Absolutely phenomenal. I said last year I thought he deserved more snaps as he looked super solid the first 2 years. But he's really stepped it up, what a complete steal.

[ThaVirus]

Andy Reid seemed to give Fenton an earful for the DPI call.

Andy seemed like he was considering it a mental error instead of a physical error. Andy rarely confronts a player during a game unless it is a mental error.

Coaches must be emphasizing no penalties. Maybe telling DBs to use less hands in coverage.

As he should have. That was a dumb play by Fenton. At some point you've gotta take your hands off the guy.

[RealSNR]

As he should have. That was a dumb play by Fenton. At some point you've gotta take your hands off the guy.

Asking Fenton to not use contact with the receiver as part of his coverage is like asking Carrot Top not to use any props in his comedy act. He's always done it, and unlike Carrot Top, he's been successful in his career, since he hasn't drawn many DPI flags in his career up to this point.

[Dunerdr]

This guys been more good than bad since he stepped in as a rookie to play slot CB against Denver. During the early Mike Hughes days i coldnt believe Hughes was still on the field over Fenton.

[crispystl]

This guys been more good than bad since he stepped in as a rookie to play slot CB against Denver. During the early Mike Hughes days i coldnt believe Hughes was still on the field over Fenton.

I know it's been beat to death, but man some of the defensive personnel decisions early in the season were real head scratchers.

[RealSNR]

I know it's been beat to death, but man some of the defensive personnel decisions early in the season were real head scratchers.

Hughes played well in the preseason and the Chiefs figured his high draft profile in combination with playing well meant they had uncovered a legit starting corner?

I'm just spitballing. I have no idea either why Spags is/was in love with Sorensen and Niemann just because they've been here a long time yet chose to go with the new guy Hughes over a player who's been with the team for multiple years and done a pretty good job in that span.

[Warrick]

He's the number 1 ranked CB according to PFF. Absolutely phenomenal. I said last year I thought he deserved more snaps as he looked super solid the first 2 years. But he's really stepped it up, what a complete steal.

Link? Love the kid, the reason I ask is because the last time I looked he didn't have very many stats.

[RunKC]

I don’t get why people want Spags fired. He’s done a nice job with what he’s had.

Fenton
Sneed
Matheiu
Thornhill

Even Ward has looked good under Spags. He’s a true secondary guru. Gay and Bolton look good.

DL is the issue but we haven’t invested many draft picks in it recently.

[Sofa King]

It's been obvious for a long time that Fenton is a good cornerback. It's always been a mystery to me why he didn't play more.

[Hoover]

Hughes played well in the preseason and the Chiefs figured his high draft profile in combination with playing well meant they had uncovered a legit starting corner?

I'm just spitballing. I have no idea either why Spags is/was in love with Sorensen and Niemann just because they've been here a long time yet chose to go with the new guy Hughes over a player who's been with the team for multiple years and done a pretty good job in that span.

This is where Veach needs to watch the movie Moneyball and release these two turds so the coach can't keep playing them.

[BWillie]

For what it's worth, PFF has Fenton as their #1 graded corner in football right now.

And it's not worth very much. I remember when PFF tried to tell us Steven Nelson was an elite corner rofl rofl

But yeah he's good, he's looked good. No surprise but in no way shape or form is he the best CB in football.

[ThaVirus]

Asking Fenton to not use contact with the receiver as part of his coverage is like asking Carrot Top not to use any props in his comedy act. He's always done it, and unlike Carrot Top, he's been successful in his career, since he hasn't drawn many DPI flags in his career up to this point.

According to Google, Carrot Top is worth $70 mil lol

[DJ's left nut]

It's been obvious for a long time that Fenton is a good cornerback. It's always been a mystery to me why he didn't play more.

Because he doesn't have any standout physical tools so there's always been a question if he could play on the boundary.

Guys like that typically do take a little time to develop into starters because they can't really make mistakes. They don't have the recovery speed or innate athleticism to make up for a misstep. So they have to be smart and develop a really good feel for route concepts, etc...

I still question if Spags is a decent DC but I've never doubted his ability to run a secondary and develop DB talent. I think that's why the Chiefs continue to put limited capital into their secondary - they believe (and thus far have been correct) that Spags and company can spin straw into gold.

[Chiefspants]

Because he doesn't have any standout physical tools so there's always been a question if he could play on the boundary.

Guys like that typically do take a little time to develop into starters because they can't really make mistakes. They don't have the recovery speed or innate athleticism to make up for a misstep. So they have to be smart and develop a really good feel for route concepts, etc...

I still question if Spags is a decent DC but I've never doubted his ability to run a secondary and develop DB talent. I think that's why the Chiefs continue to put limited capital into their secondary - they believe (and thus far have been correct) that Spags and company can spin straw into gold.

Spags ability to keep the secondary performing at a high level after the loss of Thornhill before the 2019 playoffs is an understated component of what led us to a championship.

[DJ's left nut]

Spags ability to keep the secondary performing at a high level after the loss of Thornhill before the 2019 playoffs is an understated component of what led us to a championship.

Finding a replacement for Fuller on the fly and allowing Fuller to slide into that role was a major accomplishment for a secondary that was at one point counting on Morris Claiborne to play a significant role.

And yeah, it was Fenton that made that possible when he and Mathieu sort of tag-teamed the slot CB role. Even Sorensen contributed in a big way by being a viable conventional 'strong safety' to free up Mathieu a bit.

It really was a nice use of seemingly mismatched parts.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Fenton is such a nice player to have. Playing a prime position at a dirt cheap price with nothing but a 6th round pick invested, and he's literally been solid since day one. Always seems to be in the right spot.

Love the guy.

[Dunerdr]

I dont think people currently want Spags fired, im assuming that when they did was when we were repeatedly watching Sorenson give up tudders to guys like Dawson Knox with no adjustment.

[DJ's left nut]

Fenton is such a nice player to have. Playing a prime position at a dirt cheap price with nothing but a 6th round pick invested, and he's literally been solid since day one. Always seems to be in the right spot.

Love the guy.

Ward for the cost of a guy you were going to cut, Sneed for a 4th and Fenton for a 6th. That's been Veach's best work by FAR.

And you wonder how much is scouting vs. how much of it is coaching until you see Hughes and Baker go out there and pretty much suck. The coaches couldn't turn those two into anything viable (though I still think Baker could evolve into a Breeland sort of physical press corner due to his length and strength).

Veach has done an amazing job building a cost-effective secondary. He's gonna need to keep it up though - Ward's a FA this off-season, Fenton after next and Sneed the year after that. Gonna need to keep the pipeline going because even finding average CBs for less than $10 million/yr these days is a tall order.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Ward for the cost of a guy you were going to cut, Sneed for a 4th and Fenton for a 6th. That's been Veach's best work by FAR.

And you wonder how much is scouting vs. how much of it is coaching until you see Hughes and Baker go out there and pretty much suck. The coaches couldn't turn those two into anything viable (though I still think Baker could evolve into a Breeland sort of physical press corner due to his length and strength).

Veach has done an amazing job building a cost-effective secondary. He's gonna need to keep it up though - Ward's a FA this off-season, Fenton after next and Sneed the year after that. Gonna need to keep the pipeline going because even finding average CBs for less than $10 million/yr these days is a tall order.

When you lay it all out there like that and look at the entire picture, it makes it even more amazing.

Is there a corner trio in the league I'd take over Sneed/Ward/Fenton? Probably a few, sure. However, when you take into account the fact there was literally next to nothing invested in any of them and they are all playing for peanuts, I'm not sure there is a group that looks better taking all aspects into consideration.

As you mentioned, at a position where guys like Steven Nelson are getting $10 million a year, it makes all the difference in the world to the construction of the roster. Now we're seeing the same thing at C/RG where we'll have two elite talents playing for almost nothing the next 2-3 years, and hopefully RT will be the same deal.

[DJ's left nut]

When you lay it all out there like that and look at the entire picture, it makes it even more amazing.

Is there a corner trio in the league I'd take over Sneed/Ward/Fenton? Probably a few, sure. However, when you take into account the fact there was literally next to nothing invested in any of them and they are all playing for peanuts, I'm not sure there is a group that looks better taking all aspects into consideration.

As you mentioned, at a position where guys like Steven Nelson are getting $10 million a year, it makes all the difference in the world to the construction of the roster. Now we're seeing the same thing at C/RG where we'll have two elite talents playing for almost nothing the next 2-3 years, and hopefully RT will be the same deal.

Honestly, Steven Nelson is the name I keep coming back to w/ Fenton. And I know his name is mud 'round here since he was a monumental assbag, but he was still a really solid player for us.

Getting that kind of player for a 3rd rounder with Nelson was something of a steal but getting it in the 6th is an outright coup.

[smithandrew051]

Fenton is tough as nails, never seems to make the really bad play, and can make the occasional big play.

Give me dudes like Fenton on any team.

[BWillie]

Honestly, Steven Nelson is the name I keep coming back to w/ Fenton. And I know his name is mud 'round here since he was a monumental assbag, but he was still a really solid player for us.

Getting that kind of player for a 3rd rounder with Nelson was something of a steal but getting it in the 6th is an outright coup.

Really solid player is a stretch. Barely avg corner is a better definition. I think Fenton is better than he is, though

[Chiefspants]

Finding a replacement for Fuller on the fly and allowing Fuller to slide into that role was a major accomplishment for a secondary that was at one point counting on Morris Claiborne to play a significant role.

And yeah, it was Fenton that made that possible when he and Mathieu sort of tag-teamed the slot CB role. Even Sorensen contributed in a big way by being a viable conventional 'strong safety' to free up Mathieu a bit.

It really was a nice use of seemingly mismatched parts.

I'm sure having a bye was huge to realign the secondary, especially seeing our playoff journey would have begun with Derrick Henry and a hell of a lot of play actions if we had the 3 seed. Hell, Spags found a way to make Sorenson look legendary in his defense and even had him lined up on Kittle for significant parts of the Super Bowl. Sorenson had an iffy Super Bowl, but he played well enough -- and that's all that mattered.

Fitzmagic i love u 4ever.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Ward for the cost of a guy you were going to cut, Sneed for a 4th and Fenton for a 6th. That's been Veach's best work by FAR.

And you wonder how much is scouting vs. how much of it is coaching until you see Hughes and Baker go out there and pretty much suck. The coaches couldn't turn those two into anything viable (though I still think Baker could evolve into a Breeland sort of physical press corner due to his length and strength).

Veach has done an amazing job building a cost-effective secondary. He's gonna need to keep it up though - Ward's a FA this off-season, Fenton after next and Sneed the year after that. Gonna need to keep the pipeline going because even finding average CBs for less than $10 million/yr these days is a tall order.
Sneed's skillset/abilities/makeup are so unusual, he'll have to be paid, IMO. Fenton, unfortunately, may be left out with Ward, although we should have some cap relief at safety (I hope).

[RunKC]

Sneed's skillset/abilities/makeup are so unusual, he'll have to be paid, IMO. Fenton, unfortunately, may be left out with Ward, although we should have some cap relief at safety (I hope).

I think so too. Fenton will get a nice contract somewhere but will be an excellent drafted player in his time here.

I think the same of Willie Gay. He’s been quality but there’s no way we’re paying him a 2ns contract. That’s for Bolton.

Sneed and Bolton are definitely getting 2nd contracts here

[Pitt Gorilla]

I think so too. Fenton will get a nice contract somewhere but will be an excellent drafted player in his time here.

I think the same of Willie Gay. He’s been quality but there’s no way we’re paying him a 2ns contract. That’s for Bolton.

Sneed and Bolton are definitely getting 2nd contracts here

Depending on his development, I could see paying Gay as well and going young/cheap with the 3rd guy.

Chiefs coaches seem to think they can develop CBs if given enough clay. Hughes and Baker may not pan out, but they certainly possessed the right "materials."

[staylor26]

I think so too. Fenton will get a nice contract somewhere but will be an excellent drafted player in his time here.

I think the same of Willie Gay. He’s been quality but there’s no way we’re paying him a 2ns contract. That’s for Bolton.

Sneed and Bolton are definitely getting 2nd contracts here

The Chiefs have been looking for a LB with that kind of speed and athleticism for quite some time. I wouldn’t assume that Gay doesn’t get a 2nd contract.

[wachashi]

No one finger-wags like Fenton.

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[RunKC]

The Chiefs have been looking for a LB with that kind of speed and athleticism for quite some time. I wouldn’t assume that Gay doesn’t get a 2nd contract.

Sneed is probably going to cost around $15m AAV. Bolton likely around $13-14m AAV.

That’s not counting Creed Humphrey and Orlando Brown (I think we’ll pay him).

You can’t pay everyone with a Mahomes level contract on the books, but if we can squeeze someone in then it’s not Willie Gay.

IMO extra cash to keep our own should go to Trey Smith

[Pitt Gorilla]

Sneed is probably going to cost around $15m AAV. Bolton likely around $13-14m AAV.

That’s not counting Creed Humphrey and Orlando Brown (I think we’ll pay him).

You can’t pay everyone with a Mahomes level contract on the books, but if we can squeeze someone in then it’s not Willie Gay.

IMO extra cash to keep our own should go to Trey Smith

So many of those bridges are WAY down the road, fortunately.

[staylor26]

So many of those bridges are WAY down the road, fortunately.

Exactly why it’s silly to try to predict who they will sign long term.

We have no idea how good these guys will be or if they will regress between now and then.

For now, let’s just enjoy having young talented players on rookie deals while adding more.

[BossChief]

Sneed is probably going to cost around $15m AAV. Bolton likely around $13-14m AAV.

That’s not counting Creed Humphrey and Orlando Brown (I think we’ll pay him).

You can’t pay everyone with a Mahomes level contract on the books, but if we can squeeze someone in then it’s not Willie Gay.

IMO extra cash to keep our own should go to Trey Smith
Dude….all of that is like 3-4 years away.

Let’s enjoy the moment.

[Chris Meck]

Exactly why it’s silly to try to predict who they will sign long term.

We have no idea how good these guys will be or if they will regress between now and then.

For now, let’s just enjoy having young talented players on rookie deals while adding more.

and just keep adding good players in the draft. Just don't whiff.

[RunKC]

Exactly why it’s silly to try to predict who they will sign long term.

We have no idea how good these guys will be or if they will regress between now and then.

For now, let’s just enjoy having young talented players on rookie deals while adding more.

It’s fun to enjoy now and look to the future. But I’m pretty confident in how good Sneed, Bolton, Humphrey and Smith will be unless they suffer a devastating injury.

But I do know that Patrick is gonna cost us $40+ million a season. Even with the cap rising that means you can’t sign everyone.

And I think guys like Willie and Rashad will get good offers from other teams. Too good to turn down less money just to stay with us.

[DJ's left nut]

Sneed's skillset/abilities/makeup are so unusual, he'll have to be paid, IMO. Fenton, unfortunately, may be left out with Ward, although we should have some cap relief at safety (I hope).

Agreed. Sneed's the guy you plan on extending. But you'll still need to backfill for Fenton and Ward around him. Especially after Ward walks next year and Fenton gets a showcase season to really demonstrate his value.

If you could get Fenton extended prior to next season at a $5-$6 million AAV I think you'd be wise to do it. You'd be buying the dip, so to speak. You'd be getting him locked in before the cap really explodes and before he demonstrates his ability to play on an island. Worst case scenario is that he's over-exposed out there and you've overpaid a little bit for a guy who's more of a #3 CB, but that's not the kind of thing that will really hurt you going forward.

I'm betting his agents are smarter than to bite on that, though.

[DJ's left nut]

The Chiefs have been looking for a LB with that kind of speed and athleticism for quite some time. I wouldn’t assume that Gay doesn’t get a 2nd contract.

Bolton's skill-set is easier to find than Gay's.

If Gay can put the injury history behind him, he's the guy you sign. He combines Bolton's aggression with premier athleticism. And while Bolton's instincts are better, Gay's speed is just remarkable and makes him more versatile.

I LOVE Nick Bolton, for obvious reasons. But Gay, if healthy, is a guy that's just really damn hard to find.

It's the same sort of analysis as Sneed/Fenton. Gay's ceiling, like Sneed's, is so much higher than the other guy that you've gotta hold onto him.

But sadly we'll be getting cap relief from Kelce by then (who's gonna be nearing his ride into the sunset) and Thuney. Even Jones. We'll have a pretty lean cap situation when those decisions are needing to be made.

[O.city]

I think DJ has it right in regards to Gay/Bolton, but that's down the road.

The think with Bolton is, he may not have tested as well as hoped but the dude just plays so fast. He's so instinctual that he just makes up for it. I've been impressed with how quickly he's picked this up.

[DJ's left nut]

I think DJ has it right in regards to Gay/Bolton, but that's down the road.

The think with Bolton is, he may not have tested as well as hoped but the dude just plays so fast. He's so instinctual that he just makes up for it. I've been impressed with how quickly he's picked this up.

I'd have considered Bolton with a first rounder.

This is who he's always been. I never questioned if he'd translate to the NFL. He was as smart and instinctual a college player as I'd ever seen.

Josh Allen (Kentucky) was the only player at the college level that I'd ever seen completely control games defensively like Bolton could. He was everywhere.

[staylor26]

I'd have considered Bolton with a first rounder.

This is who he's always been. I never questioned if he'd translate to the NFL. He was as smart and instinctual a college player as I'd ever seen.

Josh Allen (Kentucky) was the only player at the college level that I'd ever seen completely control games defensively like Bolton could. He was everywhere.

When I first started my 1st round targets thread in the draft section last season I had Bolton, Humphrey, AND Smith on my list of 15 or so.

It’s just incredible that we ended up with all 3 without a 1st.

[O.city]

When I first started my 1st round targets thread in the draft section last season I had Bolton, Humphrey, AND Smith on my list of 15 or so.

It’s just incredible that we ended up with all 3 without a 1st.

Shows how little you know

[staylor26]

Shows how little you know

Apparently you missed the part where I said that this was at the beginning of the process…

[O.city]

Apparently you missed the part where I said that this was at the beginning of the process…

Yeah, before everyone told you what to think when it was just you. Duh.

[staylor26]

Yeah, before everyone told you what to think when it was just you. Duh.


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[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Told everyone when Fenton started his first game vs the Donks that this guy is gonna be a damn good CB but I was told to pump the brakes. Very excited if you can suck my cock

[Chiefspants]

Mahomo who hurt you

[RunKC]

Bolton's skill-set is easier to find than Gay's.

If Gay can put the injury history behind him, he's the guy you sign. He combines Bolton's aggression with premier athleticism. And while Bolton's instincts are better, Gay's speed is just remarkable and makes him more versatile.

I LOVE Nick Bolton, for obvious reasons. But Gay, if healthy, is a guy that's just really damn hard to find.

It's the same sort of analysis as Sneed/Fenton. Gay's ceiling, like Sneed's, is so much higher than the other guy that you've gotta hold onto him.

But sadly we'll be getting cap relief from Kelce by then (who's gonna be nearing his ride into the sunset) and Thuney. Even Jones. We'll have a pretty lean cap situation when those decisions are needing to be made.

Gay does have athleticism but I think Bolton is harder to find. Willie is not a particularly smart player whereas Bolton is.

And Bolton is athletic enough. He was fast as shit to that TFL that Ingram caused. He came from across the field too.

I think Bolton’s IQ is the difference here. He’s a step faster due to that and can really pick up formations already. It’s just so valuable to have that type of QB of your defense in the middle of the field.

I would love to keep both but we’ll see

[ModSocks]

Willie is not a particularly smart player whereas Bolton is.



This is one of those things you pulled out of your ass. No idea what would cause to you reach that conclusion.

Gay was a limited snap player last season as he did not nearly have the starting snaps in college that Bolton had.

Also, Gay was playing behind a pair of starters that he was never going to supplant in year 1, even though he did see his snap count ramp up as the season wore on.

In Gay's time this season, i can't recall any egregious mistakes on his part. Not blown coverages, not missed run gaps etc.

Bolton OTOH, was rushed into starting snaps thanks to injuries to Gay and Hitchens. In that time he's blown a number of coverages and run gaps as he learns to play in the NFL.

There has been ZERO indication that Gay is not a particularly smart player, or even less intelligent than Bolton. That's a bunch of crap.

[staylor26]

Yea that’s pure speculation.

Inexperienced does not equal not smart.

[TwistedChief]

He's the number 1 ranked CB according to PFF. Absolutely phenomenal. I said last year I thought he deserved more snaps as he looked super solid the first 2 years. But he's really stepped it up, what a complete steal.

#2 actually. Behind Ramsey.

And while I think he's been playing great, somehow Hughes is #23, Sneed #61, Ward #70.

Gotta love PFF.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

#2 actually. Behind Ramsey.

And while I think he's been playing great, somehow Hughes is #2, Sneed #61, Ward #70.

Gotta love PFF.

It's crazy like that.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

I like PFF a lot overall. I can't follow every team. Viewing their lineups gives the skinny.

[Dunerdr]

Mahomo and RunKC for prez and vice prez.

[DJ's left nut]

Gay does have athleticism but I think Bolton is harder to find. Willie is not a particularly smart player whereas Bolton is.

And Bolton is athletic enough. He was fast as shit to that TFL that Ingram caused. He came from across the field too.

I think Bolton’s IQ is the difference here. He’s a step faster due to that and can really pick up formations already. It’s just so valuable to have that type of QB of your defense in the middle of the field.

I would love to keep both but we’ll see

I don't agree that Gay's not a smart player. He's raw, but he's shown good instincts as well. He baited a passer into an interception by getting back in his drop and then waiting to crash. You could see him setting Jones up the whole way.

He's routinely done a good job crashing into the gaps and maintaining discipline.

I don't think he's an unintelligent player at all. I think Bolton has rare instincts but I also think that Bolton's being elite doesn't mean that Gay's can't certainly be good in their own right.

[Dunerdr]

I can only think of one time that i really remember Gay over shooting and missing his gap. It's probably happened more, but it happened fairly often last year, his brain was slower than his feet. Hes been surprisingly solid so far.

[ModSocks]

I can only think of one time that i really remember Gay over shooting and missing his gap. It's probably happened more, but it happened fairly often last year, his brain was slower than his feet. Hes been surprisingly solid so far.

He's been our most consistent LB this season imo

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

#2 actually. Behind Ramsey.

And while I think he's been playing great, somehow Hughes is #23, Sneed #61, Ward #70.

Gotta love PFF.

Nope, PFF updated it. Fenton is now 4 points ahead of Ramsey

[RunKC]

I don't agree that Gay's not a smart player. He's raw, but he's shown good instincts as well. He baited a passer into an interception by getting back in his drop and then waiting to crash. You could see him setting Jones up the whole way.

He's routinely done a good job crashing into the gaps and maintaining discipline.

I don't think he's an unintelligent player at all. I think Bolton has rare instincts but I also think that Bolton's being elite doesn't mean that Gay's can't certainly be good in their own right.

Yeah I’m not saying Gay is a stupid player. I think Bolton is just so smart that he can easily be the QB of the defense like Hitchens was/is and that holds tremendous value.

I think they both fit together very nicely though. A LB corps of Bolton, Gay and Hitchens is as good as we’ve had in a long long time.

[TwistedChief]

Nope, PFF updated it. Fenton is now 4 points ahead of Ramsey

I went to the website an hour ago.

[Buehler445]

Looks to be the best cover corner. Sneed is still the best overall corner though. Reminds me of Brandon Flowers.

Are you thinking about Carr?

Sneed is way, way, way taller and longer than Flowers. Unless you’re talking about his willingness in run support.

I think Flowers is the better corner, but sneed has the better body.

[louie aguiar]

I hope Fenton is ok. Dude has played great this season.

[Pitt Gorilla]

I hope Fenton is ok. Dude has played great this season.

Good time to have a bye, assuming it's not more serious.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid said Jerick McKinnon (hamstring) &amp; Rashad Fenton (knee) are the major injuries from the game.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1462584533119905796?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[thabear04]

Hope both get healthy during the bye.

[BWillie]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid said Jerick McKinnon (hamstring) &amp; Rashad Fenton (knee) are the major injuries from the game.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1462584533119905796?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hope its nothing more than a hyperextended knee.

[smithandrew051]

Luckily, he has almost 4 weeks until we play the Chargers.

We’ll be fine against the Donks and Raiders without him.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid said Jerick McKinnon (hamstring) &amp; Rashad Fenton (knee) are the major injuries from the game.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1462584533119905796?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

:huh:

[TLO]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid said Jerick McKinnon (hamstring) &amp; Rashad Fenton (knee) are the major injuries from the game.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1462584533119905796?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Knee? Really? I thought for sure he was concussed.