The best offense ever assembled?

[BossChief]

If Tyreek is able to play for KC this year and Hardman is who the coaches are indicating he might be (Mix of Chad Johnson and Desean Jackson) then, this offense is going to be better than last year and quite simply, in conversation for the best offense ever assembled.

MVPat
Sherman
Williams/Thompson
Hill 2x first team all pro
Watkins
Hardman
Kelce best tight end in the league
Good offensive line.

Who’s better?

99 rams?
Warner
Faulk
Bruce
Holt
Proehl
Roland Williams
Good OL

07 Pats?
Brady
Maroney
Moss
Welker
Stallworth
Ben Watson
Good OL

98 Vikings?
Cunningham
Smith
Miss
Carter
Reed
Glover
Good OL

2013 Broncos?
Manning
Moreno
Decker
Welker
Thomas
Thomas
Ok ol

1998 Broncos?
Elway
TD
Mccaffery
Smith
Sharpe
Griffith

Change my mind, but I’m going into this season thinking this could be the absolute best offense ever fielded in the NFL.

[SAUTO]

I agree. If we get 12 and the playoffs out of tyreek we're breaking all the records.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Well, Tyreek could be the best WR in the NFL. Patty cakes is the Best QB in the NFL. Kelce is the best TE in the NFL. Watkins and Hardman are beasts. Damien Williams all indications are he will be above average.

Yep.

[rabblerouser]

https://i.imgur.com/s0toqeB_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I'm still betting Mahomy makes last year look like his freshman year.

55/5500

[Buns]

Don't mean shit if we're not winning in February

[Reerun_KC]

Don't mean shit if we're not winning in February

This. All this!

[Pitt Gorilla]

Add a league-leading back to the mix, and you’re golden. Think we could trade for Hunt?

[Naptown Chief]

Reports are Pringle is beasting out too. It is insane how much talent we have on offense.

[tk13]

99 Rams had a HOF QB, RB and LT and two of the top receiving WRs of all time. And they lit up the league in a time where you could play defense. And they were pretty much the only historically great offense to ever win a Super Bowl. The rest of them all didn't finish the job. I would take our QB 10 out of 10 times, but I'm guessing if you took a poll of NFL fans for overall offense, they'd get a lot of votes.

[keg in kc]

Threads like this are where strings of camp injuries come from.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Dang sure the fastest.

[Deberg_1990]

No Kareem. No world class running backs

[staylor26]

No Kareem. No world class running backs

Yea because Williams didn’t give us equal production either way.

[BossChief]

While I tend to agree that Hunt was the better player by quite a bit, the numbers don’t really show that as well...

Hunt 2018
11 starts
181 carries
824 yards (4.6 per carry)
7 TDs
26 receptions
378 yards
7tds

Williams 2018
5 starts (including playoffs)
85 carries
415 yards (5.1 per carry)
6tds
33 receptions
251 yards receiving
4 TDs

Total offensive production:

Hunt
11 games
207 touches
1202 yards
14tds
5.8 yards per touch

Williams
5 games
118 touches
765 yards
10tds
6.5 yards per touch

I mean...Williams was the more productive back.

No Kareem. No world class running backs

I’ll just leave that right there

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Pro Football Focus has Hunt and Williams rated nearly the same. Hunt had a slight edge. Overall grades are 80-Williams 82- Hunt. For whatever that's worth to ya. I really like PFF.

And I'm calling it right now. Thompson is gonna turn some heads. Kid has some serious ability.

[Demonpenz]

Fuck when the 99 rams lined up faulk in the slot. Shit was not fair

[New World Order]

We best everyone in those groups except for the 99 Rams.

I think their O-line gives them the slight edge.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

2010 Chiefs FTW!

[Mahomes_Is_God]

Provided that Hill doesn't get a lengthy suspension, I think we could be legendary. We have, literally, the most amazing QB the world has ever seen, and he's surrounded by a damn fine supporting cast. I think we totally have a shot at surpassing the '99 Rams.

[displacedinMN]

Where does our O line come in this year????

[wheeler08]

A TE #2 would make me feel more comfortable

[Reerun_KC]

Might wait until they can beat the Pats is the playoffs and win a championship. Otherwise all this chest puffing grandstanding is meaningless bullshit.

[rabblerouser]

Where does our O line come in this year????

We need a backup center, but Wylie will start over Cam Erving, so we good!

[Deberg_1990]

We need a kicker who doesn’t miss extra points.

[R Clark]

No love for the dickie vermeil and Trent green chiefs? That was pretty amazing offense.wasnt it close to the 99 rams?

[KC_Lee]

**** when the 99 rams lined up faulk in the slot. Shit was not fair

This was my thought as well. Other than a RB with Faulk's abilities (not saying one won't emerge this season just right now it appears we don't) this year's O is comparable to the 99 Rams.

[smithandrew051]

Pro Football Focus has Hunt and Williams rated nearly the same. Hunt had a slight edge. Overall grades are 80-Williams 82- Hunt. For whatever that's worth to ya. I really like PFF.

And I'm calling it right now. Thompson is gonna turn some heads. Kid has some serious ability.

I think we’ll also release Hyde and keep Darrell and James Williams.

That gives the Chiefs 4 versatile running backs with high upside and low mileage on their tires. I’ll take that stable all day.

Wouldn’t shock me to see teams over commit to stopping Mahomes from throwing down the field, which will open a ton of running backs catching dump offs for easy yards.

[Naptown Chief]

A TE #2 would make me feel more comfortable

Aye, the most important position in all of football according to that Gorilla guy...

I can see it now- "Fuck! We're playing the Chiefs.. NVM PM2, TK, or their stud WRs, they have mothafuckin ____ Mc_____ at TE2!!! We be fucked!"

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Don't mean shit if we're not winning in February

Dee Ford is a 49er now...

[RustShack]

No love for the dickie vermeil and Trent green chiefs? That was pretty amazing offense.wasnt it close to the 99 rams?

No. It was comparable to the Colts for best offenses of the year, but not history.

[carcosa]

My dick hole is gonna get clogged up with Thick White Jizzum

[wazu]

I’ll just leave that right there

I felt like absence of Kareem took defensive focus off of the running game, and our passing game took a step back (but created opportunity for Damien). Show me stats to refute this negative perspective please.

[ThaVirus]

The Chiefs 2018 offense was already one of the best of all time. Possibly top 5, definitely top 8.

We're likely to regress a bit this coming season.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Hard to say that w all the rule changes favoring the offense. Speaking objectively you really cant compare to other offenses cause they dealt w different rules...

But yeah our offense could put up crazy numbers

[Reerun_KC]

Hard to say that w all the rule changes favoring the offense. Speaking objectively you really cant compare to other offenses cause they dealt w different rules...

But yeah our offense could put up crazy numbers

Just imagine is Smith was here. You would be in ecstasy.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Just imagine is Smith was here. You would be in ecstasy.

Just imagine if you had a life outside of the Chiefs. You would have moved on from Alex Smith a long time ago.

[Best22]

Hard to say that w all the rule changes favoring the offense. Speaking objectively you really cant compare to other offenses cause they dealt w different rules...

But yeah our offense could put up crazy numbers

2018 offense was already an alltime great. Like the 1998 Vikes

Different era? Sure, but this was the first team to score 26 points minimum in all their games. Average score for us was 35-26. Just phenomenal

Can’t wait to see year 2.

[Reerun_KC]

Just imagine if you had a life outside of the Chiefs. You would have moved on from Alex Smith a long time ago.

Well you don’t and can’t. You’ll own that forever bro.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

99 Rams had a HOF QB, RB and LT and two of the top receiving WRs of all time. And they lit up the league in a time where you could play defense. And they were pretty much the only historically great offense to ever win a Super Bowl. The rest of them all didn't finish the job. I would take our QB 10 out of 10 times, but I'm guessing if you took a poll of NFL fans for overall offense, they'd get a lot of votes.

Yeah. It's the '99 Rams by a comfortable margin.

[WhiteWhale]

99 Rams had a HOF QB, RB and LT and two of the top receiving WRs of all time. And they lit up the league in a time where you could play defense. And they were pretty much the only historically great offense to ever win a Super Bowl. The rest of them all didn't finish the job. I would take our QB 10 out of 10 times, but I'm guessing if you took a poll of NFL fans for overall offense, they'd get a lot of votes.

Recency bias is a thing.

Plus Mahomes haters actually love saying KC is the most talented offense ever because, in their minds, that marginalizes the amazing debut season of Mahomes.

[WhiteWhale]

Yeah. It's the '99 Rams by a comfortable margin.

I'll give them the edge at RB, LT, and WR2.

KC has the edge with WR1, TE, and QB.

The largest gap is in KC's TE and obviously Faulk.

Plus the Rams had a cupcake schedule in 99 that really padded their numbers.

I always look at the teams Manning failed to win a championship with in the early 2000's. James, Glenn, Harrison, Wayne, Stokley in the slot, Dallas Clark and Pollard at TE to go with Peyton Manning.

That offense was basically all stars at every position. I recall them scoring like 3 points in a playoff loss. Hence the beginning of "Manning is a choker' meme. Manning putting up like 3 and 10 points or whatever he did in his losses to the Patriots have shaded people against how freakishly talented that offense was.

[Skyy God]

The Chiefs 2018 offense was already one of the best of all time. Possibly top 5, definitely top 8.

We're likely to regress a bit this coming season.

By some advanced metrics, it’s was #2.

[Halfcan]

No love for the dickie vermeil and Trent green chiefs? That was pretty amazing offense.wasnt it close to the 99 rams?

One of the best O lines in history for sure and top 5 running games ever.

To put our 2018 offense and QB in context though- Mahomes passed up all of Trent's records by a huge margin. Mahomes broke a 50 year TD's thrown for the season record- by Lenny, barely halfway through the season.

In one season, Mahomes has passed most of the ghost of shitty QB's past and is not only rewriting the Chief's record book, but also the NFL's. He probably broke 20 records last year. Amazing! If Mahomes plays as long as Brees, he will own every passing record.

[ThaVirus]

By some advanced metrics, it’s was #2.

I believe it. There's a lot to take into account.

I think most people wouldn't be upset if you claimed the '18 offense was top 5 all-time, but pretty much everyone would have to agree it'd at least be top 8.

[rabblerouser]

Where does our O line come in this year????

Yeah. It's the '99 Rams by a comfortable margin.

Meh. If there would've been replay in '99, they wouldn't have ever won a SB.

[RustShack]

That Rams offense was the best ever. The Chiefs offense has the potential to reach it in the coming years. Doesn’t mean it will, but it is a realistic possibility.

[WhiteWhale]

No. It was comparable to the Colts for best offenses of the year, but not history.

In terms of talent the Colts of the early 2000's are easily one of the most talented offenses in history. The cast is unreal.

I'm kinda surprised everyone thinks the 99 rams are a slam dunk for best ever. Played SF twice, they were 4-12. Played Atlanta twice, they were 5-11. The 8-8 Steve Buerline panthers twice. The 3-13 Saints twice.

That's 8 games there against teams with a collective record of 20-44. The NFC west was total trash at the time.

Plus the 4-12 bengals. The 2-14 Browns. 8-8 Lions. 7-9 Giants. 6-10 bears. 5-11 Eagles.

Might be the easiest schedule in history.

[Halfcan]

That Rams offense was the best ever. The Chiefs offense has the potential to reach it in the coming years. Doesn’t mean it will, but it is a realistic possibility.

So what will be the qualifier to call the Chiefs Offense led by Mahomes THE BEST? Will it be points scored in a season? Or will they have to not only outscore the old Rams team, but have more yards and win a SB?

My guess would be.

1. Points
2. Superbowl win
3. Yardage
4. Wins for the season

If one of these is missing- some dumb Lamb fan will throw it out there to protect their legacy.

[Halfcan]

Montana / Young led 49ers were loaded too. 5 Superbowl wins. That D. was nasty too.

[Best22]

Montana / Young led 49ers were loaded too. 5 Superbowl wins. That D. was nasty too.

Yep.

Montana-QB
Rice-WR
Taylor-WR
Craig-RB
Jones-TE
Rathman-FB
Top offensive line
Steve Young backup

Innovative scheme, perfect personnel for old school pro style formation

[ThaVirus]

Fuck when the 99 rams lined up faulk in the slot. Shit was not fair

An interesting doc on the Rams from that era.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rvuyo6YkEj0

I was a bit too young to truly remember. The 2000 Rams started their season 6-0. They were averaging 44 PPG. Insane. Then they came to KC and lost 54-35 and Warner broke his thumb. Kind of took the wind out of their sails.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

I think we’ll also release Hyde and keep Darrell and James Williams.

That gives the Chiefs 4 versatile running backs with high upside and low mileage on their tires. I’ll take that stable all day.

Wouldn’t shock me to see teams over commit to stopping Mahomes from throwing down the field, which will open a ton of running backs catching dump offs for easy yards.


Couldn't agree more on Carlos hyde. A big lumbering back doesn't make a lot of sense in this offense. PFF raved about James Williams as a receiving threat out of the backfield. Darrell Williams is a solid contributor. I even liked Kerwyn Williams before he was cut.

Thompson is a steal.

[rabblerouser]

In terms of talent the Colts of the early 2000's are easily one of the most talented offenses in history. The cast is unreal.

I'm kinda surprised everyone thinks the 99 rams are a slam dunk for best ever. Played SF twice, they were 4-12. Played Atlanta twice, they were 5-11. The 8-8 Steve Buerline panthers twice. The 3-13 Saints twice.

That's 8 games there against teams with a collective record of 20-44. The NFC west was total trash at the time.

Plus the 4-12 bengals. The 2-14 Browns. 8-8 Lions. 7-9 Giants. 6-10 bears. 5-11 Eagles.

Might be the easiest schedule in history.

So much this.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

I think Hunt’s impact was way overrated but the consensus seemed to be that we took a huge step down. When did that change?

Also, every time I turn on the radio I hear that Hardman is underwhelming and may be a project. On here he’s made out be Randy Moss.

That said, yeah, I think it has a chance to be the best offense ever. They were already in the conversation.

[lcarus]

The Chiefs 2018 offense was already one of the best of all time. Possibly top 5, definitely top 8.

We're likely to regress a bit this coming season.

Yeah I'm looking forward to all the dickheads that will say Mahomes took a step backwards this year if he only throws 40 TDs. You know it will happen since the chances of hitting 50 again aren't that great.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

In terms of talent the Colts of the early 2000's are easily one of the most talented offenses in history. The cast is unreal.

I'm kinda surprised everyone thinks the 99 rams are a slam dunk for best ever. Played SF twice, they were 4-12. Played Atlanta twice, they were 5-11. The 8-8 Steve Buerline panthers twice. The 3-13 Saints twice.

That's 8 games there against teams with a collective record of 20-44. The NFC west was total trash at the time.

Plus the 4-12 bengals. The 2-14 Browns. 8-8 Lions. 7-9 Giants. 6-10 bears. 5-11 Eagles.

Might be the easiest schedule in history.

They were also incredibly innovative. "Mad" Mike Martz was way ahead of everybody. There were a ton of firsts that year.

And to whoever said Mecole is a project, its OTA's. They were saying Mahomes was a pick machine this time last year.

[TinyEvel]

COUGHoffensivelineCOUGH!

[raidersnumber1]

It's June and Chiefs fans are getting high off their own supply. Ya'll are in for a rude awakening. lmao

[R Clark]

It's June and Chiefs fans are getting high off their own supply. Ya'll are in for a rude awakening. lmao

But y’all aren’t are ya , you know you suck and everyone else knows it also.

[rabblerouser]

It's June and Chiefs fans are getting high off their own supply. Ya'll are in for a rude awakening. lmao

Your team is hot garbage and will get beat by every team in the division.

Probably twice.

[Easy 6]

We’ll certainly rank right up there among the all timers

Williams is no Marshall Faulk, but with Hill back we do have our Bruce and Holt, with Hardman in the “you can’t cover ALL this speed” Az Hakim role... not to mention they didn’t have anything close to a Travis Kelce

[carcosa]

It's June and Chiefs fans are getting high off their own supply. Ya'll are in for a rude awakening. lmao

I hope you get hit by a bus, bitch!!!!!

[Megatron96]

I'm as big a fan of Mahomes/Kelce/Hill/& co. as anyone, but are we really trying to rank the haven't-played-a-single-down-together-this-year 2nd edition of this offense to the greatest Os of all time?

I'm hoping Spags D lives up to at least 2/3rds of its potential, Mahomes ends up throwing 35-38 TDs, but because of the improved D the offense doesn't have to score on every possession, and we finally get into the SB in my lifetime. Maybe after that I'll look at whether the Chiefs O was one of the all time greats.

[KChiefs1]

EPIC

[BossChief]

I'm as big a fan of Mahomes/Kelce/Hill/& co. as anyone, but are we really trying to rank the haven't-played-a-single-down-together-this-year 2nd edition of this offense to the greatest Os of all time?

I'm hoping Spags D lives up to at least 2/3rds of its potential, Mahomes ends up throwing 35-38 TDs, but because of the improved D the offense doesn't have to score on every possession, and we finally get into the SB in my lifetime. Maybe after that I'll look at whether the Chiefs O was one of the all time greats.

It’s a month and a half from camp on a Chiefs message board. Last year was a top 10 all time offense and we upgraded. If you don’t think it’s worthy of conversation, move along.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

I'm as big a fan of Mahomes/Kelce/Hill/& co. as anyone, but are we really trying to rank the haven't-played-a-single-down-together-this-year 2nd edition of this offense to the greatest Os of all time?

I'm hoping Spags D lives up to at least 2/3rds of its potential, Mahomes ends up throwing 35-38 TDs, but because of the improved D the offense doesn't have to score on every possession, and we finally get into the SB in my lifetime. Maybe after that I'll look at whether the Chiefs O was one of the all time greats.

Improved D doesn’t mean you stop scoring (until late). It means you start winning games 42-17 instead of 42-39. An aggressive D is only going to lead to more possessions and more points. The fact that the Chiefs put up the offensive numbers they did with Sutton’s bend and break, get-dominated-in-TOP defense just made it more impressive.

I won’t be at all surprised if they have more yards and points this year.

[Chiefs4TheWin]

Do not care. Want Lombardi Trophy.

[Baby Lee]

Thinking of next fall with everyone healthy and here to play!!

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[KChiefs1]

In terms of talent the Colts of the early 2000's are easily one of the most talented offenses in history. The cast is unreal.

I'm kinda surprised everyone thinks the 99 rams are a slam dunk for best ever. Played SF twice, they were 4-12. Played Atlanta twice, they were 5-11. The 8-8 Steve Buerline panthers twice. The 3-13 Saints twice.

That's 8 games there against teams with a collective record of 20-44. The NFC west was total trash at the time.

Plus the 4-12 bengals. The 2-14 Browns. 8-8 Lions. 7-9 Giants. 6-10 bears. 5-11 Eagles.

Might be the easiest schedule in history.


Maybe the easiest schedule in NFL history. When they ran up against a good team they were average at best.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Maybe the easiest schedule in NFL history. When they ran up against a good team they were average at best.

Now we're getting somewhere.

[Chief Roundup]

Baker Mayfield
OBJ
Jarvis Landry
David Njoku
Kareem Hunt/Nick Chubb

We might not even have the best offense this season.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

It's June and Chiefs fans are getting high off their own supply. Ya'll are in for a rude awakening. lmao

Chiefs supply is HUUGE! We put the cartel to shame. All the Raiders have is @ss whooping after whooping coming to them. Enjoy smoking failure.

[Buckweath]

Baker Mayfield
OBJ
Jarvis Landry
David Njoku
Kareem Hunt/Nick Chubb

We might not even have the best offense this season.

It is definitly a possibility but there is no way the Browns have a better offense on paper if Hill is available.

The Chiefs have clearly the better QB, a much much better TE, probably a better OL and a better coach.

The WRs are a push.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

They have better RBs, sure. No Mahomes, no Kelce.

Hill
Watkins
Kelce
Hardman
Pringle

It's honestly not even close. Hill is the best weapon in the league regardless of position.

[Buckweath]

They have better RBs, sure.

Hill
Watkins
Kelce
Hardman
Pringle

It's honestly not even close. Hill is the best weapon in the league regardless of position.
Don't forget Robinson. I think he can be good.

[staylor26]

Baker Mayfield
OBJ
Jarvis Landry
David Njoku
Kareem Hunt/Nick Chubb

We might not even have the best offense this season.

:facepalm:

With Tyreek, there’s no way their offense is better than ours.

Hint: Our QB is way better as is our OL and TE.

[FringeNC]

I believe a team was left off the original list. That would be the 2018 Kansas City Chiefs, who I believe set an NFL record for yards per play.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Don't forget Robinson. I think he can be good.

Oh yeah. I think Darwin Thompson will come on strong, as well. If Willams gets hurt like Ware, you'll hear Thompson and Hunt often mentioned in the same sentence. (In a good way haha.)

[Bowser]

Baker Mayfield
OBJ
Jarvis Landry
David Njoku
Kareem Hunt/Nick Chubb

We might not even have the best offense this season.

Disagree with that, but that's not to lessen what the Browns could be on offense, either.

Mahomes vs. Mayfield could be the next Manning vs. Brady matchup in the coming decade. We'll see.

[Coochie liquor]

It's June and Chiefs fans are getting high off their own supply. Ya'll are in for a rude awakening. lmao

4-12
6-10
12-4
7-9
3-13
4-12
4-12
8-8
8-8
5-11
5-11
4-12
2-14
4-12
5-11
4-12

The last time you’re team had back to back winning seasons, our MVP Quarterback was 6. You’re embarrassing yourself boo, you should stop.

[Chief Roundup]

:facepalm:

With Tyreek, there’s no way their offense is better than ours.

Hint: Our QB is way better as is our OL and TE.

Did you notice that "might not" in my post?

There are lots of things that can happen for sure.

I am not trying to be negative about our guys at all. I truly believe Mahomes is drastically better than Mayfield.
I am not sure that 12 to 14 games of Watkins (injuries) and Hill (suspension) is better than 16 games of OBJ and Landry.
I think Kelce is better than Njoku but Kelce did just get his ankle cleaned up so lets see how he looks early on this season.

[Chief Roundup]

Disagree with that, but that's not to lessen what the Browns could be on offense, either.

Mahomes vs. Mayfield could be the next Manning vs. Brady matchup in the coming decade. We'll see.

It very well could be. We have seen where they are trying to push Goff last season. I don't think that will work out but there is Watson and Trubisky that might also figure into that matchup scenario since that are all about equally matched to be the vs Mahomes.

[KChiefs1]

I always loved the 2003 Chiefs offense but it was nowhere near as good as 2018.

https://youtu.be/t-bk9kX6vns

[TripleThreat]

I'm still betting Mahomy makes last year look like his freshman year.

55/5500

Nah, that will be the year after next.

Teams are going to legit have nightmares about Mahomes and the offense so they will be doing everything and anything to prepare if that even means looking ahead.

We will be on everyones radar early on.

I am expecting more of a 38-44 td and 4700-4800 yard campaign.. it feels great to post those numbers and know he can do better

[raidersnumber1]

i clicked assuming this thread was about the 2019 raiders

leaving disappointed