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O.city
07-10-2019, 08:39 PM
On ESPN right now he’s almost to the final 200

Kman34
07-10-2019, 08:53 PM
I'm rooting for the guy in the Chiefs shirt...

Rain Man
07-10-2019, 08:53 PM
Belichick and that little former Broncos coach are probably in the background videoing other players' hands.

O.city
07-10-2019, 09:03 PM
That turn was not good for him

bdj23
07-10-2019, 09:03 PM
The guy in the Chiefs shirt is Bwillie

O.city
07-10-2019, 09:04 PM
The guy in the Chiefs shirt is Bwillie

Seriously?

bdj23
07-10-2019, 09:05 PM
Seriously?

Lol no

Kman34
07-10-2019, 09:05 PM
The guy in the Chiefs shirt is Bwillie

GTFO!

Jewish Rabbi
07-10-2019, 09:07 PM
The guy in the Chiefs shirt is Bwillie

ROFL

O.city
07-10-2019, 10:00 PM
Lol tanks and all in call and norm hit him with a “hard to know what’s coming when you can’t see the other teams cards”

Jewish Rabbi
07-10-2019, 10:44 PM
Seymour playing like a pussy. BWillie taking advantage.

O.city
07-10-2019, 10:48 PM
Seymour playing like a pussy. BWillie taking advantage.

It ended up being a good lay down but I can’t believe he laid down A K with the bigger stack

Bwillie is getting some pocket cards. Holy hell

Jewish Rabbi
07-10-2019, 10:49 PM
It ended up being a good lay down but I can’t believe he laid down A K with the bigger stack

Bwillie is getting some pocket cards. Holy hell

It worked out, but as Jamie mentioned, terrible lay down.

O.city
07-10-2019, 10:53 PM
It worked out, but as Jamie mentioned, terrible lay down.

Yes yes it was

It worked out so it reinforced bad strategy which seems to get guys a lot. I don’t play as much poker as I do blackjack but people really struggle with math and strategy sometimes

BWillie
07-10-2019, 11:54 PM
It ended up being a good lay down but I can’t believe he laid down A K with the bigger stack

Bwillie is getting some pocket cards. Holy hell

I am not an old bald man from Canada. I busted out midway thru day 2 this year. I had to bluff to win 2 of my 3 biggest pots just couldn't catch any cards or flops. Only played it twice but finished Top 300 last yr. Not a tournament player but they are fun.

Hell of a run by Seymour. He's apparently a formidable player. Not rooting for him though, he already has his money. Some old fish from USA would be great...like Jamie Gold or something

New World Order
07-10-2019, 11:56 PM
The guy in the Chiefs shirt is Bwillie

Seymour playing like a pussy. BWillie taking advantage.

LMAO

MahiMike
07-11-2019, 05:31 AM
So that IS the same Seymour, huh? I thought so. Dude has an intimidating look across the table. Saw him lose a $1M on one hand last night. He looked kinda tired.

Coogs
07-11-2019, 05:43 AM
http://www.wsop.com/m/chipcounts/

Looks like he went out in 150th place. They are down to 106 left.

O.city
07-11-2019, 12:21 PM
Damn, I knew he was getting a little shortstacked last night towards the end.

Jerm
07-11-2019, 12:29 PM
Every year I start watching the WSOP I get the urge to get back into poker seriously...it's hitting me again, damn WSOP lol.

O.city
07-11-2019, 12:42 PM
Every year I start watching the WSOP I get the urge to get back into poker seriously...it's hitting me again, damn WSOP lol.

I just don't have the time or patience that I used to in college where I could sit for 8 hours and play.

I'll occasionally play in a local game here in town or something, but I usually get bored and go in at a disadvantage preflop with 2 7 unsuited lol.

Jewish Rabbi
07-11-2019, 12:54 PM
Damn, I knew he was getting a little shortstacked last night towards the end.

He was still talking about that hand he folded 10s like 2 hours after it happened. Couldn’t get out of his own head.

Jerm
07-11-2019, 12:59 PM
He was still talking about that hand he folded 10s like 2 hours after it happened. Couldn’t get out of his own head.

That the hand he tanked on? I didn't see it, just read about it here...what happened?

BWillie
07-11-2019, 01:33 PM
I just don't have the time or patience that I used to in college where I could sit for 8 hours and play.

I'll occasionally play in a local game here in town or something, but I usually get bored and go in at a disadvantage preflop with 2 7 unsuited lol.

That is why you should play online. Poker SHOULDN'T be about patience as a reason someone is good or not, that should be the easy part. But it can become that when you play live, 9 or 10 handed tables. It's such a struggle to just sit there and wait in real life. But when you play online patience makes no difference, you see so many more hands an hour and can play more than one table. No dealer, no washing the cards, no counting chips. Everything is faster.

big nasty kcnut
07-11-2019, 01:38 PM
Damn bwillie i thought you might have hit so i can ask you for 5 dollars lol.

Get the ref.

O.city
07-11-2019, 01:50 PM
That is why you should play online. Poker SHOULDN'T be about patience as a reason someone is good or not, that should be the easy part. But it can become that when you play live, 9 or 10 handed tables. It's such a struggle to just sit there and wait in real life. But when you play online patience makes no difference, you see so many more hands an hour and can play more than one table. No dealer, no washing the cards, no counting chips. Everything is faster.

Yeah, I get that.

I just don't really have the will or want to grind away anymore. I just play for fun everyonce in a while.

If i'm gonna really gamble, i'll play blackjack.

alpha_omega
07-11-2019, 02:08 PM
26 posts and nobody has mentioned the fact he was carrying a purse?
I’m sure it’s some fancy-named and high-priced man bag, but it looked like a purse to me.

alpha_omega
07-11-2019, 02:59 PM
Here's a summary.....

Ex-Patriots star makes an impressive and deep run at 2019 World Series of Poker, but is eliminated

Former Patriots star Richard Seymour might be better at poker than he is at football.

After winning three Super Bowl rings in New England, Seymour was on the verge of possibly adding another piece of coveted jewelry to his personal collection: A diamond bracelet, which goes to the winner of the Main Event at the 2019 World Series of Poker.

Although Seymour came close to collecting the bracelet, he won't be taking it home after being eliminated from the tournament on Wednesday during the fifth day of action. Seymour went into the day with 2.75 million chips, but ended up losing them all to finish in 131st place. Although that might not sound impressive, it was an incredible showing by Seymour, who outlasted more than 98 percent of the field. This year's main event featured 8,569 entrants, which means that Seymour lasted longer than 8,438 other players.

Seymour's impressive finish means that he'll be taking home some serious prize money. For finishing in 131st place, the former Patriots star will be leaving Las Vegas with $59,295. (The entry fee for the main event was $10,000, so Seymour will walk away with a profit of $49,295).

Despite the fact that he didn't win, Seymour still seemed happy with the way he played.

"As a competitor, you always want to still be in it," Seymour told Poker Central after being eliminated. "You just have to try and go out and make the best decisions possible and today I had a day where I had to fold a lot of hands. I was in some pretty sick spots, I'm happy with my decisions and that's all you can do in this game. You let the cards fall where they may and it just didn't go my way."

Although Seymour was happy with his decisions, he'll likely be regretting at least one of them. At one point on Wednesday, Seymour got dealt pocket 10s on a hand where he was going up against an opponent who had 6-5 offsuit. The percentages were in Seymour's favor, but he decided to fold after his opponent went all-in following the flop.

Seymour ended up getting eliminated on a hand that any poker pro could have lost on. The former Patriots player was dealt a K-4 off suit, which looked good when a king came up on a flop that went Kc-6h-2d. After a queen came up on the turn and another king on the river, Seymour figured he was a lock to win with three kings. However, one of his opponents had been dealt pocket queens, which means that opponent won the hand with a full house (Three queens, two kings).

If Seymour could have made it to the final table, not only would he have had a chance to take home a diamond bracelet, but he'd also have a shot at winning the $10 million in prize money that will be handed out to the winner of the main event.

Seymour pulled in a total of $89.5 million during his 12-year playing career, which included seven trips to the Pro Bowl. The 2001 first-round pick spent the first eight seasons of his career with the Patriots before signing with the Raiders and spending four years in Oakland (2009-12).

As for his poker career, Seymour is no slouch. Including the money he won at the main event, Seymour has now collected more than $600,000 in career winnings.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ex-patriots-star-makes-an-impressive-and-deep-run-at-2019-world-series-of-poker-but-is-eliminated/

bdj23
07-11-2019, 07:09 PM
That the hand he tanked on? I didn't see it, just read about it here...what happened?

He folded an overpair to a double gutshot semi bluff shove. I don't know their positions (chiefs guy was in position) but it seems like an easy call to me. Especially if I am as rich as Richard Seymour.

Jewish Rabbi
07-11-2019, 07:31 PM
He folded an overpair to a double gutshot semi bluff shove. I don't know their positions (chiefs guy was in position) but it seems like an easy call to me. Especially if I am as rich as Richard Seymour.

It’s not about the money, it’s about the bracelet.

Also very easy for us to say he should have called knowing what he was up against.

bdj23
07-11-2019, 07:44 PM
It’s not about the money, it’s about the bracelet.

Also very easy for us to say he should have called knowing what he was up against.

Like I said, I don't know who was in what position, I just know chiefsguy had position on him. An overpair against that flop is a pretty easy call regardless.

Bump
07-11-2019, 09:17 PM
Like I said, I don't know who was in what position, I just know chiefsguy had position on him. An overpair against that flop is a pretty easy call regardless.

Last time I played live poker I made someone lay down an over pair, I had an over pair too but she had a better over pair. It's not always the easiest call, it's easy to shove, but not always easy to call. She showed her QQ after she folded and then I showed my JJ, she was not happy lol. I ended winning that tournament, but it was like a 50 person VFW thing with half of the money going to charity.

Jewish Rabbi
07-11-2019, 09:19 PM
Like I said, I don't know who was in what position, I just know chiefsguy had position on him. An overpair against that flop is a pretty easy call regardless.

Seymour was in position, he didn’t check it through.

O.city
07-11-2019, 09:24 PM
I don’t think either had pocket pair the one dude went all in pre flop with iirc Queen ace or something and flopped a q

Jewish Rabbi
07-11-2019, 09:37 PM
I don’t think either had pocket pair the one dude went all in pre flop with iirc Queen ace or something and flopped a q

I’m still talking about the fold to the double gutter.

BWillie
07-11-2019, 09:58 PM
Seymour was in position, he didn’t check it through.

Just watched the hand last part of the hand via some guys twitter but didn't see the whole thing. You guys need to think in terms of big blinds. As I'm sure most of you know, stack sizes change how hands are played drastically. It was effective 24 big blinds. Looks like Seymour must have opened TT from the small blind, and got called by the big blind. In tournaments with an ante, people HAVE to defend their big blind extremely wide and they have to defend their big blind more or less by how often the player who initially raised plays. Many people will defend their big blind vs a late position raise (in a tournament with antes) with ANY suited hand, which is probably correct against how much most players are opening preflop these days. And against a small blind open it's even more. Ranges are very wide blind vs blind.

It appears Seymour cbet on 8d4h2c and folded when he got jammed on for 24 big blinds total. It's generally a call against most players. You really need a specific player to be able to fold this hand to. I'm sure GTO solvers continuation bet call with TT here at this stack depth. It is an rather low dry board, so there aren't any combo draws. Many players don't raise cbets much on these types of boards at all at this stack depth. In my experience, if an amateur raises on a dry board, it usually is not the nuts very often as they like to trap dry boards more often & don't have a very large thin value raising range.

While the big blind has a range advantage on this flop, they are still repping pretty thin since they have to defend so many hands to begin with. TT is just too strong of a hand to fold. Many players will get in 88 preflop at 24 big blinds vs a small blind open but the big blind can still rep all sets & almost all two pairs.

The big blinds range when they raise all in probably looks like this: 22, 44, 88 (can discount 88 some), A8, K8 (maybe even J8+) 99 (can discount this some as most people are 3betting this preflop), A5, A3, 65ss, 53ss, 76 with backdoor flush draw (maybe),two pairs and possibility of random spaz air a low percentage of the time. There are way more combos of two pairs, top pairs, draws than sets.

Basically if you are going to continuation bet over pairs and fold for 24 big blinds - the big blind can exploit you by raising almost anytime you cbet because they know you will almost NEVER call. In this situation his TT is as good as AA when he gets jammed on because the big blind virtually NEVER has JJ, QQ, KK or AA. In fact, it's arguably one of the BEST over pairs to cbet/call with other than JJ or QQ because having AA or KK would block top pair 8s with good kickers and Ace high wheel draws and ace highs & king highs an amateur might spaz with.

Jerok
07-11-2019, 10:01 PM
Yeah it's a call for sure

suzzer99
07-12-2019, 12:05 AM
Seymour made some super tight terrible plays last night. In addition to the TT fold, he folded AK to a 4bb shove. And he checked back top 2 on the river on a very dry board - out of a fear of being re-raised obviously (he even called himself out for that one).

Seymour was putting the Chiefs guy on JJ on the TT hand - which means he's not reading hands, or he likes to flat jacks in a lot of spots and assumes others will too - either shows he's nowhere near pro level as he was somewhat billed.

Loved that the Chiefs guy owned him, but overall I was rooting for him.

He had to be worried about looking bad on TV and I bet it affected his game. Obviously the money means nothing to him.

He said on Rich Eisen the purse thing was an accessory to give him some flair - lol.

bdj23
07-12-2019, 05:13 AM
24xbb chiefs guy is (likely, I am) jamming Jacks or better preflop. Probably jamming 10s 9s and 8s too. I had no information on how the action played out preflop or effective stack sizes.

Thanks bwillie. I spent about 45 minutes trying to find a full video of that hand last night.

bdj23
07-12-2019, 10:19 AM
Last time I played live poker I made someone lay down an over pair, I had an over pair too but she had a better over pair. It's not always the easiest call, it's easy to shove, but not always easy to call. She showed her QQ after she folded and then I showed my JJ, she was not happy lol. I ended winning that tournament, but it was like a 50 person VFW thing with half of the money going to charity.

You're always going to have KK vs AA type hands, that's just poker. I dont get what Seymour was afraid of. Flopping a set is like a 10% hand and board texture is very important here. BB can't afford to lose another pot as 20xbb is entering danger zone. He's likely jamming all hands pocket 8s or better preflop and has a huge jamming range in that situation. I guess if Seymour calls and bb flips a set of 4s or 2s, welp that's just poker.

I think it's an easy call

Coogs
07-13-2019, 10:37 AM
Final table is set.

https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/27180524/ensan-goes-wsop-final-table-big-chip-lead

bdj23
07-13-2019, 01:52 PM
Next year I'm doing everything I can to satellite into the main event. Outside of that, I don't think I can ever afford or convince myself (if I had it) to pony up 10k.

It's about the only thing on my bucket list. I think Harrahs NKC has a few yearly tournaments that award seats.

BWillie
07-13-2019, 03:09 PM
Next year I'm doing everything I can to satellite into the main event. Outside of that, I don't think I can ever afford or convince myself (if I had it) to pony up 10k.

It's about the only thing on my bucket list. I think Harrahs NKC has a few yearly tournaments that award seats.

Pile up positive results online and sell action. Ive sold 50% to 60% of myself the times Ive played. The mark up usually pays for the trip.

bdj23
07-13-2019, 03:48 PM
Pile up positive results online and sell action. Ive sold 50% to 60% of myself the times Ive played. The mark up usually pays for the trip.

I miss the days of FTP giving away main event seats like candy. I was gonna play that $500 150 seat satellite they were advertising right before black Friday in 2011.

limested
07-13-2019, 05:18 PM
...

Coogs
07-16-2019, 08:31 AM
And then there were three:

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2019/07/wsop-main-event-ensan-sammartino-livingston-34873.htm

Winner crowned tonight.

BWillie
07-16-2019, 11:42 AM
I want to make the Final Table of the Main Event just to stun everyone with my ability to snap 3bet fold, snap 4bet fold, and snap bet fold. If you know you're folding. JUST ****ING FOLD. 95% of the time before I make any bet I know what I'm doing when I'm raised. I've already made my decision and know how I will play the hand out in a decision tree in my head.

This Maahs dude, I want to like him since he's from the Midwest. And I'm sure he's a fine dude. But taking 30 seconds every preflop decision with J4o etc....on purpose. When he KNOWS he's folding was exhausting to watch.

Jerm
07-16-2019, 12:00 PM
I want to make the Final Table of the Main Event just to stun everyone with my ability to snap 3bet fold, snap 4bet fold, and snap bet fold. If you know you're folding. JUST ****ING FOLD. 95% of the time before I make any bet I know what I'm doing when I'm raised. I've already made my decision and know how I will play the hand out in a decision tree in my head.

This Maahs dude, I want to like him since he's from the Midwest. And I'm sure he's a fine dude. But taking 30 seconds every preflop decision with J4o etc....on purpose. When he KNOWS he's folding was exhausting to watch.

Exactly part of the reason why modern poker drives me insane, both watching and playing.

The tanking, the Hollywood, the trying to make hero plays on every hand, etc...it's beyond ridiculous.

bdj23
07-16-2019, 12:36 PM
Exactly part of the reason why modern poker drives me insane, both watching and playing.

The tanking, the Hollywood, the trying to make hero plays on every hand, etc...it's beyond ridiculous.

You'd think in an age where 90% of us are former online players, Hollywooding wouldn't be an issue

Jerm
07-16-2019, 12:46 PM
You'd think in an age where 90% of us are former online players, Hollywooding wouldn't be an issue

It's soooo bad...even at the casino, like I'll go fuck around at a 1/2 table or something just to get back in a groove and all this shit is prevalent there too. I'm like JFC...

suzzer99
07-16-2019, 02:20 PM
I want to make the Final Table of the Main Event just to stun everyone with my ability to snap 3bet fold, snap 4bet fold, and snap bet fold. If you know you're folding. JUST ****ING FOLD. 95% of the time before I make any bet I know what I'm doing when I'm raised. I've already made my decision and know how I will play the hand out in a decision tree in my head.

This Maahs dude, I want to like him since he's from the Midwest. And I'm sure he's a fine dude. But taking 30 seconds every preflop decision with J4o etc....on purpose. When he KNOWS he's folding was exhausting to watch.

The QQ fold actually wasn't too terrible from an ICM standpoint.

ICM creates some counter-intuitive super tight folds on money bubbles/final table ladders. There are spots on SNG bubbles where you should fold KK to any shove from the bigstack. IE - 4-person bubble - two micro-stacks. I wouldn't fold because fuck you I have KK. But still - I was making a mistake in the short run.

The AJ fold with top pair/top kicker made Baby Jesus cry though.

suzzer99
07-16-2019, 02:22 PM
Exactly part of the reason why modern poker drives me insane, both watching and playing.

The tanking, the Hollywood, the trying to make hero plays on every hand, etc...it's beyond ridiculous.

Maahs is gone now - he was the big tanker at the FT.

But yeah to me this is still why 27 players down to 9 is the best poker of the year and the final table is always kind of anti-climactic. Players know they can't just wait around for someone else to bust. They have to make plays to chip up to make the final table. But at the same time - any hand they get involved in could be the difference between a nice payday and life changing money.

Coogs
07-16-2019, 08:03 PM
First hour tonight was pretty entertaining.

BWillie
07-16-2019, 09:30 PM
Want to see Dario get heads up with Ensan, and then just demolish him. He's going to need to get lucky to get there.

O.city
07-16-2019, 09:59 PM
Dario!!!

BWillie
07-16-2019, 10:08 PM
These guys are fucked now. Dario with chips. Rut roh.

https://www.sharkscope.com/#Player-Statistics//networks/PokerStars/players/Secret_M0d3

big nasty kcnut
07-16-2019, 10:41 PM
I wish they did two set of main event one for the unknown card players and one for the well known players top five each table meet for the final or top four and two wild cards like who wouldn't want to see phil ivey or phil hellmuth play in the final?

BWillie
07-16-2019, 10:49 PM
I wish they did two set of main event one for the unknown card players and one for the well known players top five each table meet for the final or top four and two wild cards like who wouldn't want to see phil ivey or phil hellmuth play in the final?

They already have tournaments kind of like that, but they aren't called the Main Event and aren't on ESPN. Poker Go probably has what you are looking for.

To piggy back on your post though, I really think the WSOP, WPT, EPT whatever should make a beginners tournament where if you have over a certain amount in lifetime cashes you can't play. It would be great for the poker ecosystem too. The seniors tournament is almost like that. That is the softest tournament $1,000 tournament in the world.

suzzer99
07-16-2019, 11:05 PM
Much better pace of play w/o Maahs.