Chiefs Sign FA CB Mo Claiborne

[Dante84]

Per Terez

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs have agreed to terms with free agent CB Mo Claiborne, a source tells me. He’s flying out to K.C. tonight.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1159510489141063680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 8, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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[RockChalk]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs have agreed to terms with free agent CB Mo Claiborne, a source tells me. He’s flying out to K.C. tonight.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1159510489141063680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 8, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Skyy God]

Solid signing.

Probably no worse than 1/$2M.

[okiedokieokoye]

Why not?

[RealSNR]

Honestly, I see this going about as well as Scandrick.

We get the valuable vet in here because the other guys are too young and shitty, and by the end of it all we just end up rolling with the young and shitty guys, because at least they're not old and washed the fuck up

[Mecca]

Well he has time to get up to speed, he has a 4 game suspension to serve.

[dirk digler]

I see that he is suspended for the first 4 games

[Iowanian]

I'm indifferent about this signing.

Scandrick is probably a good comparison of my expectations, but he had talent at one time. If he's better than the 5th corner I'm glad to see the upgrade.

[thabear04]

Remember when Charles stiff arm him.

[Titty Meat]

Does this mean Breeland isnt doing well and Fields is probably a PS guy?

[okiedokieokoye]

I hope they can coach the penalties out of him...

[Skyy God]

Honestly, I see this going about as well as Scandrick.

We get the valuable vet in here because the other guys are too young and shitty, and by the end of it all we just end up rolling with the young and shitty guys, because at least they're not old and washed the **** up

Giving Mark Fields/developmental CB to be traded for later time to develop isn't the worst idea.

[TribalElder]

another LSU guy to patrol the secondary* with the honey badger

they were on LSU at the same time I think

[-King-]

Remember when Charles stiff arm him.

Stiff arm? That was a mack truck hitting a bug

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[smithandrew051]

another LSU guy to patrol the secondary* with the honey badger

they were on LSU at the same time I think

We should trade for that other LSU corner too

[carcosa]

HAVE WE SIGN THE PIECE OF SHIT YET

[In58men]

Damn I like it

[staylor26]

Good move. We’re an injury away from starting an UDFA rookie or second year player.

[Bowser]

So who did we move to bring Claiborne in?

[In58men]

I just texted my buddy and he said when he played Madden on franchise mode he was on the team??

[In58men]

So who did we move to bring Claiborne in?

Dieter I think.

[TribalElder]

We should trade for that other LSU corner too

I was just thinking that, wonder if we grab PP after his suspension is over :hmmm:

[FAX]

The training staff is thrilled.

FAX

[Chief Roundup]

So who did we move to bring Claiborne in?

I didn't think we were at 90.

[O.city]

Out the first 4 games


Can maybe make it thru but he’s more of a depth guy anyway so it’s a nice signing

If he’s washed it’s a mil gone

[chinaski]

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[RunKC]

Thank you Veach! Wanted this guy for about a month now.

He just had a career year with 2 INT’s and 14 passes defended. He’s a decent corner who can start and not be a disaster like Scandrick.

[RealSNR]

PFF liked him last year :shrug:

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[Wilson8]

The Chiefs have agreed to sign free agent cornerback Morris Claiborne, according to Terez A. Paylor of Yahoo Sports (Twitter link). Claiborne will get a one-year deal worth up to $1.5MM, per Ian Rapoport of NFL.com (Twitter link).

[Rain Man]

Stiff arm? That was a mack truck hitting a bug

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I was just about to ask this very question. I remembered him getting trucked by a Chiefs running back, but I couldn't remember who it was.

Welcome, Morris. We hope you'll forget about this little incident and help us hoist a Lombardi this year.

[Sassy Squatch]

Please don't be Amerson/Scandrick II Electric Boogaloo

[TomBarndtsTwin]

'Please welcome, Orlando Scandrick, 2.0 to the fold'

Hopefully it goes better than part 1 . . . . .


On another note, this signing doesn't exactly inspire a ton of confidence in me for what the coaches think of what we have now. Although, I suppose it could just be for additional depth and nothing more.

[KCUnited]

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[DJ's left nut]

Does this mean Breeland isnt doing well and Fields is probably a PS guy?

He won't need a roster spot for the first 4 weeks it gives some of the young guys a chance to earn/lose a job while Claiborne learns the system.

Really a savvy, low risk move.

[tyton75]

I'm really excited about this move. Smart, low risk, high reward type move!

[Hammock Parties]

well above average

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">CB Morris Claiborne seasons (300+ snaps)<br><br>2018: 62.7 Overall, 60.3 Coverage<br>2017: 62.9 Overall, 58.3 Coverage <br>2016: 74.3 Overall, 77.7 Coverage<br>2015: 45.0 Overall, 47.5 Coverage<br>2013: 57.8 Overall, 56.4 Coverage<br>2012: 64.1 Overall, 69.0 Coverage</p>&mdash; PFF KC Chiefs (@PFF_Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Chiefs/status/1157805700288077825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[DJ's left nut]

PFF liked him last year :shrug:

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His draft status held him back. Teams presumed a high pick should be able to be a good man corner.

He can't - too stiff.

But he can play zone well enough. It's a good get, IMO.

[Wilson8]

He will need a spot on the 90 man roster but that will be easy to take care of.

Morris will be able to practice and play in preseason games but has to sit out for the first four games.

[Dante84]

A Brett Veach special.

- Cam Erving
- Reggie Ragland
- Darron Lee
- CJ Spiller
- CJ Spiller
- CJ Spiller
- CJ Spiller

[Skyy God]

Deal is up to $1.5M.

Good job, Veachy.

[Dante84]

well above average

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">CB Morris Claiborne seasons (300+ snaps)<br><br>2018: 62.7 Overall, 60.3 Coverage<br>2017: 62.9 Overall, 58.3 Coverage <br>2016: 74.3 Overall, 77.7 Coverage<br>2015: 45.0 Overall, 47.5 Coverage<br>2013: 57.8 Overall, 56.4 Coverage<br>2012: 64.1 Overall, 69.0 Coverage</p>&mdash; PFF KC Chiefs (@PFF_Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Chiefs/status/1157805700288077825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Is that how PFF scores? 50 is "average" and above or below 50 corresponds to that? I always thought it was a 0-100 grading scale.

That makes me feel better about reading these now.

[TEX]

A Brett Veach special.

- Cam Erving
- Reggie Ragland
- Darron Lee
- CJ Spiller
- CJ Spiller
- CJ Spiller
- CJ Spiller

LMAO Good one!

[O.city]

Ita a nice depth move that isn’t enough financially to stop them from anything bigger if it presents itself

Can’t be upset about it

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Does he start tho? I don’t think so.

This feels like CB4.

[TambaBerry]

he is a good fit in spags system. I think he will be our starter week 5

[Wilson8]

Kendall Fuller, Bashaud Breeland, Charvarius Ward to start with D'Montre Wade, Rashad Fenton, Mark Fields, Herb Miller, Dakari Monroe, and Michael Hunter will compete for two or three spots. After 4 weeks someone will be moved to PS and Morris comes on 53 man roster.

[TEX]

Honestly, I see this going about as well as Scandrick.

We get the valuable vet in here because the other guys are too young and shitty, and by the end of it all we just end up rolling with the young and shitty guys, because at least they're not old and washed the **** up

Maybe so, but this DC and scheme is different. I doubt they stick him out on an island so he can get torched all the time.

[arrowheadnation]

I hope this is just for depth and we're still planning on trying to try and make a flashy move for a starter.

[ModSocks]

OMG WHY IS EVERYONE BEING SO NEGATIVE???

/Buttfucking morons.

[Hoover]

Fuller is dinger up is what I heard

[Skyy God]

Kendall Fuller, Bashaud Breeland, Charvarius Ward to start with D'Montre Wade, Rashad Fenton, Mark Fields, Herb Miller, Dakari Monroe, and Michael Hunter will compete for two or three spots. After 4 weeks someone will be moved to PS and Morris comes on 53 man roster.

I can see them carrying 5 CBs initially given HB and Thornhill’s versatility.

[Hoover]

1. He's only 29, so younger than I thought.
2. Older guys with experience on legit SB teams can sometimes work out.

Not a long term solution, but it can't hurt.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Kendall Fuller, Bashaud Breeland, Charvarius Ward to start with D'Montre Wade, Rashad Fenton, Mark Fields, Herb Miller, Dakari Monroe, and Michael Hunter will compete for two or three spots. After 4 weeks someone will be moved to PS and Morris comes on 53 man roster.I mean, it's this. We still get to play young guys for 4 weeks. If Mo's better, one of them moves to the PS. It's a decent idea.

[Wilson8]

Good signing. Signing this late and for only $1.5 M, no real commitment from the Chiefs. He will have to practice and play his way into playing time.

[Buckweath]

I hope this is just for depth and we're still planning on trying to try and make a flashy move for a starter.

Yeah same here. I don't think it's a bad move but when no team in the league seems to want the guy and he finally signs for just 1.5M, that tells me he is not well regarded around the league. I would compare this move to signing Scandrick last year.

Now, if Veach has plans to trade for a good CB either before the season or after a few games if he sees that the corners are clearly overmatched, it's all good to me.

[Chargem]

The first 4 games aren't that bad either, so he becomes available at the right time.

[O.city]

Terez says it can get to 3 mil if all works out

[Dunerdr]

why is everyone in a panic? this feels like number 4 corner stuff all day.

[Dunerdr]

and even if he is a starter, good, that means hes better than what we have even if he turns out not that good.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Terez says it can get to 3 mil if all works out

Hopefully that means starting in the Super Bowl... ha

[RunKC]

Yeah same here. I don't think it's a bad move but when no team in the league seems to want the guy and he finally signs for just 1.5M, that tells me he is not well regarded around the league. I would compare this move to signing Scandrick last year.

Now, if Veach has plans to trade for a good CB either before the season or after a few games if he sees that the corners are clearly overmatched, it's all good to me.

Claiborne is probably as good as Veach can get at this point until the trade deadline, which honestly doesn’t yield great players very often.

Claiborne is very experienced and is a decent starting corner last year who had a career year. That’s much better than a rookie or question mark player.

I wouldn’t hold my breath on a really good corner being available until after the season is over.

[DJ's left nut]

why is everyone in a panic? this feels like number 4 corner stuff all day.

{reads thread}
{reads thread again}
{runs thread through google translate and re-reads thread in non-native tongue}

Dude...who's in a panic?

Everyone seems to be somewhere between optimistic or ambivalent.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I’m gonna also have to say, with Mathieu and Thornhill the Chiefs should have some really good safety play and that will ease some of our concerns at CB. I think it could be similar to what Philly had a couple years ago in that sense.

If it ends up being Fuller/Breeland/Claiborne, that should be just fine in this scheme IMO.

[O.city]

I’m curious at how else they were supposed to improve the cb spot?

If you wanted a real big name or something that time was in March or April

[dirk digler]

I’m curious at how else they were supposed to improve the cb spot?

If you wanted a real big name or something that time was in March or April


Yep so really the only opportunities moving forward would be a big trade or hope a decent CB gets cut because of money. Otherwise we roll with what we have for now.

[tyton75]

Veach pulled Charvarious Ward out of Dallas at the end of camp last year. Dude is pretty good!

There is no downside to this move and I'm not putting it passed Veach to do something else at the end of camp.

[okiedokieokoye]

Week 1 Jacksonville---Don't need him.
Week 2 Oakland--Ha ha!
Week 3 Ravens--More worried about their run game..
Week 4 Detroit--Stafford could light us up, but not overly worried about the rest of that team.


I think we'll be good. Just in time for Luck and the Colts in week 5.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Yeah same here. I don't think it's a bad move but when no team in the league seems to want the guy and he finally signs for just 1.5M, that tells me he is not well regarded around the league. I would compare this move to signing Scandrick last year.

Now, if Veach has plans to trade for a good CB either before the season or after a few games if he sees that the corners are clearly overmatched, it's all good to me.
I'm guessing many teams don't want him because he's out the first four games. That isn't going to matter as much to us and also figured into the discount, I imagine.

[BleedingRed]

Good now go sign Patrick Peterson and we can put the old LSU Defense back together.

[staylor26]

Where’s OKchiefs? Does he still think Veach doesn’t see the need at corner?

[Mecca]

There were the rumors of Josh Norman being cut but I just can't see that happening when if they suck people will get fired.

[OKchiefs]

Where’s OKchiefs? Does he still think Veach doesn’t see the need at corner?

Outside of trading for a nickle corner Veach's biggest additions at cornerback in 2 years as GM have been Scandrick and now Clairborne. Yes, I'm sure he really sees the need and has adequately addressed the position. With almost zero cap room going into next season and everyone but Ward hitting free agency I'm also INCREDIBLY confident that Veach will be able to adequately address the position for next season. It seems like a GREAT idea to paint yourself into a corner (pun intended) of having to count on a rookie cornerback to produce right away. But knowing Veach he'll still find a way to wait until day 3 to draft a cornerback with a quote later of "The board just didn't work out our way so we took a 6'1" 290 lb fatass DE/DT tweener again.

[staylor26]

Outside of trading for a nickle corner Veach's biggest additions at cornerback in 2 years as GM have been Scandrick and now Clairborne. Yes, I'm sure he really sees the need and has adequately addressed the position. With almost zero cap room going into next season and everyone but Ward hitting free agency I'm also INCREDIBLY confident that Veach will be able to adequately address the position for next season. It seems like a GREAT idea to paint yourself into a corner (pun intended) of having to count on a rookie cornerback to produce right away. But knowing Veach he'll still find a way to wait until day 3 to draft a cornerback with a quote later of "The board just didn't work out our way so we took a 6'1" 290 lb fatass DE/DT tweener again.

Ummm no. We tried to sign Kyle Fuller last year, but it didn’t work out because he was tagged. We traded for Ward, who could be a solid starter if he picks up where he left off last year. We signed Breeland this offseason. He clearly was hoping for Murphy or Ya-Sin to fall into a range where we could trade up. It’s not his fault that we’ve had two weak FA/draft corner classes to pick from the last two years. The only way you can come to the conclusions you have is if you ignore all of this stuff, which you continue to do because you’re a fucking moron.

[BossChief]

Seems like Veach tried to trade for a corner, but the ones he wants aren’t budging on demands, so he went with the low risk high reward guy in Mo. Veach mentioned a couple months ago trying to re-visit some trade opportunities once camps got going and to me this signing is an indication that those teams didn’t want to move them for reasonable compensation.

Fuller
Ward
Breeland
Claiborne
Fields
Wade/Fenton/someone not currently on roster

[Buckweath]

Ummm no. We tried to sign Kyle Fuller last year, but it didn’t work out because he was tagged. We traded for Ward, who could be a solid starter if he picks up where he left off last year. We signed Breeland this offseason. He clearly was hoping for Murphy or Ya-Sin to fall into a range where we could trade up. It’s not his fault that we’ve had two weak free agent and draft corner classes to pick from the last two years. The only way you can come to the conclusions you have is if you ignore all of this stuff, which you continue to do because you’re a ****ing moron.

Veach has to do something.

It might not have been a strong FA crop but there were still players to be had. Veach could have made a stronger push for Ronald Darby for example.

All in all, I've got no problem with him not drafting any CB high but now I really hope that he understands that the CB position could make or break this team. The CB position could literally ruin a SB run and I don't care that the safeties are good.

[eDave]

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[staylor26]

Veach has to do something.

It might not have been a strong FA crop but there were still players to be had. Veach could have made a stronger push for Ronald Darby for example.

All in all, I've got no problem with him not drafting any CB high but now I really hope that he understands that the CB position could make or break this team. The CB position could literally ruin a SB run and I don't care that the safeties are good.

Ronald Darby isn’t even healthy. Nobody knows when he will play this year or if he’ll be 100% by the time the playoff come around.

[staylor26]

I think some of you fail to realize that there’s an extreme shortage of good corners in today’s NFL. Why do you think somebody like Steven Nelson got paid?

What should Veach have done? Overpaid for somebody like Trumaine Johnson or Malcolm Butler last year? This years best free agent is nowhere near healthy to start the year, and we got one of the top guys available.

Veach clearly sees what we see at corner, but he’s not going to severely overpay or make a panic move to fix it because that’s how you fuck yourself. We’re way better off than we were at this time last year and our safeties are 100% better. That’s good enough for now.

[Rain Man]

Being a cornerback in the modern NFL is like signing up to be the backup center for the Washington Generals. I think the shortage will get worse over time because no one will enjoy playing a position where the rules are designed to make them look bad.

[The Franchise]

Jason Verrett is already injured and won’t play in the preseason.

[DJ's left nut]

Being a cornerback in the modern NFL is like signing up to be the backup center for the Washington Generals. I think the shortage will get worse over time because no one will enjoy playing a position where the rules are designed to make them look bad.

Nah.

World's always gonna have fast 6'0'' dudes that can't catch.

As long as those guys exist, there will always be CBs.

[RunKC]

If we sign Earl Thomas then I’m pretty confident Veach goes up to get Greedy Williams (Terez mentioned him as a guy we had on the radar).

Honestly I’m really glad the Earl Thomas situation went the way it did bc he would have only been here 1 season and we probably wouldn’t have Khalen Saunders.

Juan Thornhill looks like an absolute stud out there so far. I would take him over Greedy Williams and 1 year of Earl Thomas.

[Shoes]

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Perfectly said ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Career year...2 ints... lulz...

Still a decent signing though, but hold the hyperbole

[TambaBerry]

Career year...2 ints... lulz...

Still a decent signing though, but hold the hyperbole

14 pass breakups is really fucking good

[smithandrew051]

If we sign Earl Thomas then I’m pretty confident Veach goes up to get Greedy Williams (Terez mentioned him as a guy we had on the radar).

Honestly I’m really glad the Earl Thomas situation went the way it did bc he would have only been here 1 season and we probably wouldn’t have Khalen Saunders.

Juan Thornhill looks like an absolute stud out there so far. I would take him over Greedy Williams and 1 year of Earl Thomas.

Long term, yes I’m glad the Earl Thomas thing worked out how it did. Short term, it probably cost us a Super Bowl. Berry got embarrassed all game by the Pats. Adding Earl Thomas at safety is probably enough to get us past the Patriots.

[In58men]

14 pass breakups is really ****ing good

Isn’t that like less than 1 per game?

[OKchiefs]

Long term, yes I’m glad the Earl Thomas thing worked out how it did. Short term, it probably cost us a Super Bowl. Berry got embarrassed all game by the Pats. Adding Earl Thomas at safety is probably enough to get us past the Patriots.

Pretty sure he is talking about how Early Thomas almost signed a one year deal here this off-season.

[smithandrew051]

Pretty sure he is talking about how Early Thomas almost signed a one year deal here this off-season.

Oh okay. That makes more sense. I thought he was talking about the injury ruining the trade last year.

[ptlyon]

Isn’t that like less than 1 per game?

Can't get much past you!

[DJ's left nut]

14 pass breakups is really fucking good

I haven't looked to see how often he was targeted but it must have been a TON. I mean 14 PBUs is a shitload and if he's knocking away 1/4 of the balls sent his way then he's a verified stud.

He does do a nice job of timing his challenges, though. You can see most of those PBUs on highlight vids and he's doing a good job of coming around guys without coming through them and drawing flags.

I mean for as much shit as this CB corps is taking (even with Claiborne), Fuller, Breeland, Ward and Claiborne is actually pretty damn good. It's not the Chargers or anything, but even the Chargers are looking iffy at CB2 with Michael Davis and Trevor Williams battling for that job. Everyone sucks off their defensive backfield every chance they get and that pair has no more reason for optimism than the pair we're likely to see battling for that spot.

This CB group is....fine. It's not elite but it's not the barren wasteland it's being portrayed as either. If it's the weakest link on this team (presuming reasonable health and we're not starting Fields/Fenton/Wade at some point), we'll win 14 games or more.

[DJ's left nut]

Isn’t that like less than 1 per game?

Alternatively you could've said "Isn't that like, top 15 in the league last season?"

How the hell many pass breakups do you think these guys get?

[staylor26]

I haven't looked to see how often he was targeted but it must have been a TON. I mean 14 PBUs is a shitload and if he's knocking away 1/4 of the balls sent his way then he's a verified stud.

He does do a nice job of timing his challenges, though. You can see most of those PBUs on highlight vids and he's doing a good job of coming around guys without coming through them and drawing flags.

I mean for as much shit as this CB corps is taking (even with Claiborne), Fuller, Breeland, Ward and Claiborne is actually pretty damn good. It's not the Chargers or anything, but even the Chargers are looking iffy at CB2 with Michael Davis and Trevor Williams battling for that job. Everyone sucks off their defensive backfield every chance they get and that pair has no more reason for optimism than the pair we're likely to see battling for that spot.

This CB group is....fine. It's not elite but it's not the barren wasteland it's being portrayed as either. If it's the weakest link on this team (presuming reasonable health and we're not starting Fields/Fenton/Wade at some point), we'll win 14 games or more.

This.

I think we have a better trio and more depth than we did last year. With the safeties they have behind them, it should be enough.

[smithandrew051]

This.

I think we have a better trio and more depth than we did last year. With the safeties they have behind them, it should be enough.

Wouldn’t shock me if we had a top 3-4 safety tandem by the end of the season.

Pretty impressive that we’ve made such an improvement in one offseason after having arguably the worst group in the league last year.

[New World Order]

However you feel about Claiborne and Breeland they're both better than Nelson

We're actually going to have a corner that's 4th on the depth chart that's better than our starter last year.

[staylor26]

However you feel about Claiborne and Breeland they're both better than Nelson

We're actually going to have a corner that's 4th on the depth chart that's better than our starter last year.

I think they’re better simply because they’re bigger and more equipped to play outside, but they’re not significantly better beyond that.

It is what it is though. There’s a reason Nelson got paid. He’s not nearly as bad as people make him out to be in comparison to the rest of the NFL’s list of corners.

[New World Order]

I think they’re better simply because they’re bigger and more equipped to play outside, but they’re not significantly better beyond that.

It is what it is though. There’s a reason Nelson got paid. He’s not nearly as bad as people make him out to be in comparison to the rest of the NFL’s list of corners.

I think the ticky-tacky PI calls are going to absolutely kill Nelson this season.

Those PI calls in the Atlanta/Denver game were ridiculous. QBs are going to throw it up there against him even more than last year.

[staylor26]

I think the ticky-tacky PI calls are going to absolutely kill Nelson this season.

Those PI calls in the Atlanta/Denver game were ridiculous. QBs are going to throw it up there against him even more than last year.

Well that wouldn’t bode well for Claiborne either who had almost as many penalties as Nelson last year.

[DJ's left nut]

well above average

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">CB Morris Claiborne seasons (300+ snaps)<br><br>2018: 62.7 Overall, 60.3 Coverage<br>2017: 62.9 Overall, 58.3 Coverage <br>2016: 74.3 Overall, 77.7 Coverage<br>2015: 45.0 Overall, 47.5 Coverage<br>2013: 57.8 Overall, 56.4 Coverage<br>2012: 64.1 Overall, 69.0 Coverage</p>&mdash; PFF KC Chiefs (@PFF_Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Chiefs/status/1157805700288077825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not really.

Is that how PFF scores? 50 is "average" and above or below 50 corresponds to that? I always thought it was a 0-100 grading scale.

That makes me feel better about reading these now.

No.

If you're at 50, you're dogshit. If you're at 60, you're not good, but you're tolerable. You shouldn't be starting but you can justify a roster spot for that guy.

An average starting caliber player should probably be at 65 or so and if you're anything below 70, you're probably starting out of necessity rather than desire.

His PFF score doesn't inspire a ton of confidence but it also doesn't matter - the guy's not here to save the season. He's here to see if Spags can make him better than the worst CB presently on the probably 53 man. That isn't a terribly high bar and he can absolutely be a contributor.

[New World Order]

Well that wouldn’t bode well for Claiborne either who had almost as many penalties as Nelson last year.

Yeah but Claiborne probably won't be our starter.

I don't have a problem with a Steven Nelson-esque player in our 4th spot.

[DJ's left nut]

Wouldn’t shock me if we had a top 3-4 safety tandem by the end of the season.

Pretty impressive that we’ve made such an improvement in one offseason after having arguably the worst group in the league last year.

The defensive overhaul looks damn impressive when you look at it on paper.

Mathieu
Clark
Thornhill
Okafor
Ogbah
Saunders
Lee
Wilson
Claiborne

I'm sure there's another guy or two in there that I'm missing but that's a ton of guys with solid floors and decent ceilings to boot. In real time it seemed underwhelming but when you look at the body of work and the number of contributors that have been added to that side of the ball, expecting a real step forward suddenly becomes pretty reasonable.

[DJ's left nut]

However you feel about Claiborne and Breeland they're both better than Nelson

We're actually going to have a corner that's 4th on the depth chart that's better than our starter last year.

Claiborne probably isn't. Breeland's less 'better' and more 'different' - better suited to this scheme but not likely to provide an obvious upgrade on Nelson.

Y'all just never accepted the fact that Nelson was easily an average NFL starter and in all likelihood significantly better than that.

Some folks haven't adjusted to the new normal in this league.

But I say all that to circle back to where I've been a dozen times here - the problem with that defensive backfield was a black hole at CB2 (Scandrick) that was always available when the QB needed it and a complete lack of safety help.

If Breeland can be simply as good as Nelson and Ward can prove to be an average CB2 while the safeties stay healthy, this unit will be light years improved.

[O.city]

I do like that since they didn't get any in the draft they went the cheap route. I think that's actually smart.

Would much rather do that than overpay for someone that's maybe marginally better.

[smithandrew051]

The defensive overhaul looks damn impressive when you look at it on paper.

Mathieu
Clark
Thornhill
Okafor
Ogbah
Saunders
Lee
Wilson
Claiborne

I'm sure there's another guy or two in there that I'm missing but that's a ton of guys with solid floors and decent ceilings to boot. In real time it seemed underwhelming but when you look at the body of work and the number of contributors that have been added to that side of the ball, expecting a real step forward suddenly becomes pretty reasonable.

And I still believe that the new position coaches will make a huge difference too. I think that’s an underrated part of our offseason.

[DJ's left nut]

I do like that since they didn't get any in the draft they went the cheap route. I think that's actually smart.

Would much rather do that than overpay for someone that's maybe marginally better.

Says the person that wants to trade every draft pick we have for every broke-dick or malcontent demanding a contract extension...

[O.city]

I think the thing with defenses now is that you just have to have 11 guys that are atleast NFL solid players.

You can't have black holes and have it be covered up by stars. The best defenses in the league just have dudes everywhere. Dallas has an abundance of asskickers. The Bears, the Eagles are loaded up front.

I actually think our defense could be very Eagles like this year. Just have to maul everyone up front.

[KC Hawks]

The defensive overhaul looks damn impressive when you look at it on paper.

Mathieu
Clark
Thornhill
Okafor
Ogbah
Saunders
Lee
Wilson
Claiborne

I'm sure there's another guy or two in there that I'm missing but that's a ton of guys with solid floors and decent ceilings to boot. In real time it seemed underwhelming but when you look at the body of work and the number of contributors that have been added to that side of the ball, expecting a real step forward suddenly becomes pretty reasonable.

Breeland
Attaochu

[O.city]

Says the person that wants to trade every draft pick we have for every broke-dick or malcontent demanding a contract extension...

Well, that's like, your opinion.

I am a sucker for a reclamation project I guess.

[DJ's left nut]

Breeland
Attaochu

There ya go.

Throw those two in there and you can literally field an entire 3rd down/nickel group comprised of new players.

Veach did some friggen work this offseason.

[sedated]

Being a cornerback in the modern NFL is like signing up to be the backup center for the Washington Generals. I think the shortage will get worse over time because no one will enjoy playing a position where the rules are designed to make them look bad.

People still play RB even though it's a one way ticket to CTE and the NFL treats them like trash.

[ModSocks]

Claiborne probably isn't. Breeland's less 'better' and more 'different' - better suited to this scheme but not likely to provide an obvious upgrade on Nelson.

Y'all just never accepted the fact that Nelson was easily an average NFL starter and in all likelihood significantly better than that.

Some folks haven't adjusted to the new normal in this league.

But I say all that to circle back to where I've been a dozen times here - the problem with that defensive backfield was a black hole at CB2 (Scandrick) that was always available when the QB needed it and a complete lack of safety help.

If Breeland can be simply as good as Nelson and Ward can prove to be an average CB2 while the safeties stay healthy, this unit will be light years improved.

The biggest thing being we won't have Ron Parker back there letting guys run right by him. If these safeties can manage to keep the play in front of them the secondary will look a lot better.

[DJ's left nut]

The biggest thing being we won't have Ron Parker back there letting guys run right by him. If these safeties can manage to keep the play in front of them the secondary will look a lot better.

It's difficult to overstate how fucking awful Ron Parker was, man...

[O.city]

If you guys wanna get really weird...

What if Khalen Saunders really takes off and is Gino Atkins lite? That would be awesome.

[FAX]

If you guys wanna get really weird...

What if Khalen Saunders really takes off and is Gino Atkins lite? That would be awesome.

If he performs well, we would just trade him along with a couple of picks.

So let's just hope he's merely serviceable.

FAX

[O.city]

I would really like it if another good corner would shake loose somewhere though that we could bring in.

[UChieffyBugger]

I really like this deal because we obviously needed more depth In the CB group but also I like it because this is an experienced guy who had a decent season last year and is still only 29 unlike Scandrick who was 32 and way beyond his peak. Having the likes of Breeland and Mo out there at least gives us two guys who have seen it all already. I have high hopes for Ward but remember when we had him and Smith debuting against the Seahawks? We can't afford to have that happen again. With better safety play (hopefully) and experienced corners we should be in a much better position this season to defend the pass better. The Pats always seem to find a way to take what is deemed "average players" and fit them into their system so why can't we? Let's go Mo!!.

[O.city]

The Pats also developed and played IIRC a rookie UDFA at CB last year, so if Mark Fields could do that, it would be nice.

[smithandrew051]

It's difficult to overstate how fucking awful Ron Parker was, man...

The best description I’ve read of him (I think it was on here):

Ron Parker was the Venus de Milo of tackling

[Pitt Gorilla]

It's difficult to overstate how ****ing awful Ron Parker was, man...correct. slow, poor awareness, etc.

[Pitt Gorilla]

The Pats also developed and played IIRC a rookie UDFA at CB last year, so if Mark Fields could do that, it would be nice.
I love the idea of developing the young talent. The salary cap dictates that you basically have to.

[wazu]

Excellent signing and great price. +1 for Veach!

[UChieffyBugger]

Last seasons secondary was...

Nelson, Parker, Sorensen, Fuller, Scandrick, Lucas, Ward, Smith, Murray, Berry, (out for most of the season), Watts (only played a few games)


This season's secondary group right now is...

Breeland, HoneyBadger, Thornhill, Ward, Mo, Fuller, Lucas, Watts, Sorensen, Feilds, Wade, Hunter etc etc

The new group is much younger with more speed and better tackling ability imo. Way more confident in this group than the last that's for sure.

[Deberg_1990]

He sucked with the Cowboys and played on some pretty bad defenses there

My expectations are low. Extremely low.

[staylor26]

He sucked with the Cowboys and played on some pretty bad defenses there

My expectations are low. Extremely low.

:rolleyes:

[Sassy Squatch]

My expectations are low. Extremely low.

I think that every time I happen to stumble upon one of your threads or posts, and yet you still manage to let me down damn near every time.

[Hoover]

Cowboys north on D

[rtmike]

I really like this deal because we obviously needed more depth In the CB group but also I like it because this is an experienced guy who had a decent season last year and is still only 29 unlike Scandrick who was 32 and way beyond his peak. Having the likes of Breeland and Mo out there at least gives us two guys who have seen it all already. I have high hopes for Ward but remember when we had him and Smith debuting against the Seahawks? We can't afford to have that happen again. With better safety play (hopefully) and experienced corners we should be in a much better position this season to defend the pass better. The Pats always seem to find a way to take what is deemed "average players" and fit them into their system so why can't we? Let's go Mo!!.


Ward played a damn good game in his debut. Anything caught on him was due to R. Wilson putting on a clinic.

Wards gonna continue to improve, #1 by the end of the year, imo.

[Easy 6]

Not what I was hoping for, that’s for sure

At the same time, it’s nothing to be pissed off about either... our cupboard wasn’t completely bare back there to begin with

[BWillie]

WE signed this piece of shit. Yet. Didn't we?

[Naptown Chief]

WE signed this piece of shit. Yet. Didn't we?

This piece of shit has, in fact, been signed.

[O.city]

I think the ravens will cut some cbs that may be worth picking ip

[SAUTO]

The defensive overhaul looks damn impressive when you look at it on paper.

Mathieu
Clark
Thornhill
Okafor
Ogbah
Saunders
Lee
Wilson
Claiborne

I'm sure there's another guy or two in there that I'm missing but that's a ton of guys with solid floors and decent ceilings to boot. In real time it seemed underwhelming but when you look at the body of work and the number of contributors that have been added to that side of the ball, expecting a real step forward suddenly becomes pretty reasonable.

Attachou

[ModSocks]

Attachou

Gazuntite

[PunkinDrublic]

He was such a bust for the Cowgirls. I didn’t follow him after he left Dallas. I hope we can get something out of him.

[Chiefshrink]

PFF liked him last year :shrug:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jets?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Jets</a> Morris Claiborne has been one of the top corner backs in the NFL so far this season! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GangGreen?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GangGreen</a> <a href="https://t.co/fTB0Ls5TqD">pic.twitter.com/fTB0Ls5TqD</a></p>&mdash; PFF NY Jets (@PFF_Jets) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Jets/status/1066030918366896128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I agree with your original post. This is Scandrick part II. He never has embraced the intellectual side of playing CB in the NFL. No instincts at the professional level whatsoever. Dallas finally gave up on him and so did the Jets. If he was all that Jets would have kept him. Rumor has it that he is "dumb as a box of rocks" and chooses to stay that way wanting to play corner like he is still in college. Maybe "honey badger" can crawl up his ass a bit and force the issue of becoming more disciplined and playing smarter is all I can hope for at this point.

I don't like this signing because it shows how desperate we are at the CB position. OCs will definitely know how to attack him for sure.

[Chiefshrink]

He was such a bust for the Cowgirls. I didn’t follow him after he left Dallas. I hope we can get something out of him.

Yep. Honeybadger is our only hope to get something out of him.

[Chiefshrink]

Excellent signing

I disagree but Veach is praying for the Honeybadger LSU effect to take hold. This is a desperate move IMHO.

[T-post Tom]

I like the move. Teams have been shying away from him because of the four-game suspension. If it wasn't for that, he would have been signed long ago.

[rabblerouser]

The Chiefs have agreed to sign free agent cornerback Morris Claiborne, according to Terez A. Paylor of Yahoo Sports (Twitter link). Claiborne will get a one-year deal worth up to $1.5MM, per Ian Rapoport of NFL.com (Twitter link).

Also $1.5m in incentives for up to $3m possible.

[Chiefshrink]

Teams have been shying away from him because of the four-game suspension. If it wasn't for that, he would have been signed long ago.

Nah, if he was all that to your point he would have been signed a long time ago "in spite of" a 4 game suspension. Teams aren't afraid of small suspensions IF the player can just flat out "ball" especially at the CB position. Just saying.:shrug:

[MightyMouse]

I don’t have much faith MC but he is a body and going into the season with Breeland, ward and a ufa as a choices on the outside, it’s a no brainer signing given the cap room. There doesn’t seem like there was a lot of options out there via trade right now. This defense is gonna come down to the d line and safety play being great.

[UChieffyBugger]

I agree with your original post. This is Scandrick part II. He never has embraced the intellectual side of playing CB in the NFL. No instincts at the professional level whatsoever. Dallas finally gave up on him and so did the Jets. If he was all that Jets would have kept him. Rumor has it that he is "dumb as a box of rocks" and chooses to stay that way wanting to play corner like he is still in college. Maybe "honey badger" can crawl up his ass a bit and force the issue of becoming more disciplined and playing smarter is all I can hope for at this point.

I don't like this signing because it shows how desperate we are at the CB position. OCs will definitely know how to attack him for sure.

Tbh you sound incredibly bitter and ignorant smh. Yeah, he's gonna play in the NFL for several years without the ability to grasp schemes and coverage's right?...MAKES PERFECT SENSE!!! ROFL

[JohnnyHammersticks]

Jason Verrett is already injured and won’t play in the preseason.

Man that sucks. He has so much talent. Hard to think of many other promising careers completely decimated by injuries any more than his has been. I was hoping we'd get him, then hoping it would work out for him in SF.

[Chiefshrink]

Tbh you sound incredibly bitter and ignorant smh. Yeah, he's gonna play in the NFL for several years without the ability to grasp schemes and coverage's right?...MAKES PERFECT SENSE!!! ROFL

GMs have huge egos and especially with their picks in the 1st rd that MUST "ball" and why they gave him 5yrs to hopefully mature his NFL game and MC never even came close to "1st rd NFL CB balling". You obviously don't have "football eyes" thus probably never played the game.

[UChieffyBugger]

GMs have huge egos and especially with their picks in the 1st rd that MUST "ball" and why they gave him 5yrs to hopefully mature his NFL game and MC never even came close to "1st rd NFL CB balling". You obviously don't have "football eyes" thus probably never played the game.

So Veach, Reid, Spags etc, the guys who signed him up, are less intelligent than YOU when it comes to this game? Is that what you're saying? ROFL

[Mike in SW-MO]

So players miss out on salary while suspended.

But veteran's base salary is guaranteed.

So do Chiefs save 25%-ish of his guaranteed salary during his suspension? Does it count against the cap?

Capologists? What say you?

[GloryDayz]

He seems to be able to make open field tackles. That would be nice for games 5-SB...

[Wilson8]

So players miss out on salary while suspended.

But veteran's base salary is guaranteed.

So do Chiefs save 25%-ish of his guaranteed salary during his suspension? Does it count against the cap?

Capologists? What say you?

This came from an older 2015 cbssports,com story but the figures are close to what's happening with Morris Claiborne so I will post.

The actual cost of a suspension of the same length for two players with the same offense is usually different because of salary and contract structure. For example, a player suspended four games for performance enhancing drugs (PEDs) with a $1.7 million base salary costs twice as much as a player with the same PED suspension that has an $850,000 base salary. The first player will lose $400,000, or 4/17ths of his base salary. Whereas 4/17ths of the second player's base salary is $200,000.

The teams of the players will get a salary cap credit in the current season for the amount of the suspensions.

Other salary components can be at risk with suspensions. Teams can recoup the same proportion of the prorated amount of a player's signing bonus as he's losing in base salary. If the first player in the previous example had $1.275 million of signing bonus proration, he would be out an additional $300,000 because his team would also recover 4/17ths of the proration. The total cost of his suspension would be $700,000.

Teams are required under the collective bargaining agreement (CBA) to recoup signing bonuses for PED and substance-abuse suspensions.

[YontsRBake]

This signing has far more upside than Breeland.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

This signing has far more upside than Breeland.

I wouldn’t go that far.

But if you get the best versions of both players that we’ve seen yet to date, it’ll be very hard to keep the Chiefs out of the Super Bowl this year.

[Mecca]

This signing has far more upside than Breeland.

Breelands peak is better than Claibornes...

[Chris Meck]

cheap veteran depth. I don't see what anyone would dislike about it.

[Bump]

so can this piece of shit still play?

[DJ's left nut]

so can this piece of shit still play?

Probably to the same extent he EVER could.

Which is to say....kinda?

I don't suspect he'll be a major difference maker but he can be a solid depth player. Again, we're not winning a championship because of our defense but if he can prevent a significant fall-off in the secondary in the event of an injury, we can still maintain a defense that's good enough to not sabotage everything else.

That's all that we should really expect from him - anything more than that will be a welcome bonus.

[T-post Tom]

Nah, if he was all that to your point he would have been signed a long time ago "in spite of" a 4 game suspension. Teams aren't afraid of small suspensions IF the player can just flat out "ball" especially at the CB position. Just saying.:shrug:

Well...

https://www.nj.com/jets/2019/08/ex-jets-cb-morris-claiborne-facing-substance-abuse-suspension-what-it-means-as-he-seeks-new-team.html

Former Jets cornerback Morris Claiborne, who remains a free agent, is facing a four-game suspension for violating the NFL’s substance-abuse policy, according to NFL Network.

And that essentially explains why a veteran like Claiborne is still available. Claiborne is appealing, and his suspension could be reduced, according to NFL Network.

But in the meantime, teams are mostly steering clear of him, at least until the matter is finalized.



https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/08/02/morris-claiborne-facing-four-game-suspension/

Cornerback Morris Claiborne remains a free agent and his unavailability for the first weeks of the regular season may have something to do with his inability to land a job.

NFL Media reports that Claiborne is facing a four-game suspension for violating the league’s substance abuse policy.

[OKchiefs]

CB Josh Norman
Chiefs get: CB Josh Norman
Washington gets: 2020 fifth-round pick

Trent Williams might be the only big name openly campaigning for a move out of Washington, but if his team stumbles out of the gate, things could get ugly fast, whether that means a Jay Gruden dismissal or further roster upheaval. Snyder's front office has reason to purge bloated contracts with Haskins in the fold and the future now a priority, and it's hard to find a contract that fits that category better than Norman's. While the 31-year-old is one of the top names in Washington's secondary, he's set to count almost $30 million against the cap through 2020, and that's after already being demoted to the bench on several occasions.

Kansas City isn't hiding its desperation to upgrade a cornerback group that got toasted week after week in 2018, inking Morris Claiborne to a one-year deal despite the former New York Jets starter expected to serve a four-game suspension. And with loads of cap space entering the season, the Chiefs can afford to take a swing on someone like Norman, who'd likely embrace a change of scenery, would be reunited with former 'Skins teammate Kendall Fuller and benefit from playing alongside a rangy safety like Tyrann Mathieu. Andy Reid has jettisoned outspoken CBs before (see: Marcus Peters), but this risk might be worth it.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/five-nfl-trades-we-want-to-see-before-week-1-like-a-j-green-to-49ers-and-eagles-adding-a-qb/

[Gravedigger]

We should trade for that other LSU corner too

WHERE TYSON JACKSON AT?!?!

[suzzer99]

CB Josh Norman
Chiefs get: CB Josh Norman
Washington gets: 2020 fifth-round pick

Trent Williams might be the only big name openly campaigning for a move out of Washington, but if his team stumbles out of the gate, things could get ugly fast, whether that means a Jay Gruden dismissal or further roster upheaval. Snyder's front office has reason to purge bloated contracts with Haskins in the fold and the future now a priority, and it's hard to find a contract that fits that category better than Norman's. While the 31-year-old is one of the top names in Washington's secondary, he's set to count almost $30 million against the cap through 2020, and that's after already being demoted to the bench on several occasions.

Kansas City isn't hiding its desperation to upgrade a cornerback group that got toasted week after week in 2018, inking Morris Claiborne to a one-year deal despite the former New York Jets starter expected to serve a four-game suspension. And with loads of cap space entering the season, the Chiefs can afford to take a swing on someone like Norman, who'd likely embrace a change of scenery, would be reunited with former 'Skins teammate Kendall Fuller and benefit from playing alongside a rangy safety like Tyrann Mathieu. Andy Reid has jettisoned outspoken CBs before (see: Marcus Peters), but this risk might be worth it.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/five-nfl-trades-we-want-to-see-before-week-1-like-a-j-green-to-49ers-and-eagles-adding-a-qb/

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/josh-norman/

https://i.imgur.com/7dc3wEP.png

This seems not good.

[Skyy God]

No thanks to the burnt husk of Josh Norman

[Dante84]

Ty Law? Patrick Surtain?

[FAX]

so can this piece of shit still play?

To me, Mo "Or Less" Claiborne seems like one of those guys who just had difficulty transitioning to the NFL game. Both psychologically and physically.

It's like he has periods of time when he's both healthy and mentally "into it" and he plays very well. Other times ...

Maybe he had bad coaching when he entered the league with the Girls.

FAX

[Buckweath]

It seems like Claiborne and Breeland are pretty much the same thing.

If everything goes well, they can be good #2 CBs but they come with injury risk and have showed uneven play over the course of their last few years in the league.

[O.city]

Kinda begs the question, is it worth paying for a top flight guy when you can load up on #2 guys?

[BossChief]

We could definitely use an upgrade of a true #1 CB, but top shelf safety play lessens how much the corners need to do. That should help the young guys we have and maybe help Claiborne thrive in a lesser role.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Kinda begs the question, is it worth paying for a top flight guy when you can load up on #2 guys?

This is essentially the argument I’ve made in favor of the Watkins signing since day one.

I was much happier with giving Sammy his money than I would have been with paying a guy like Trumaine Johnson or Malcolm Butler.

Those guys aren’t moving the needle much more than someone like Breeland or Claiborne. Not $10M+ better. Yet, someone like Watkins is legitimately talented enough to make a real tangible difference out there when he’s right. And it showed.

[RunKC]

With teams using spread techniques and using 4-5 receivers on plays, you can’t get by with 2 or fewer decent corners.

Fuller, Breeland and Claiborne are all players who have started recently and Ward has shown he can be a decent 3rd corner.

That’s not bad at all, and the cost of our secondary overall is very healthy

[CoMoChief]

Norman sucks now.

Go mega big dick and trade for Patrick Peterson or ride with what ya got now.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Claiborne will be the 3rd of 4th CB with Breeland and Ward starting

[Wilson8]

Chiefs.com Team Roster Page is showing #21 Bashaud Breeland and #21 Morris Claiborne.

Don't think that is going to work.

No more numbers in the 20s are available.

Number 28 is a retired number which belonged to Abner Haynes

[kysirsoze]

I think some of you fail to realize that there’s an extreme shortage of good corners in today’s NFL. Why do you think somebody like Steven Nelson got paid?

What should Veach have done? Overpaid for somebody like Trumaine Johnson or Malcolm Butler last year? This years best free agent is nowhere near healthy to start the year, and we got one of the top guys available.

Veach clearly sees what we see at corner, but he’s not going to severely overpay or make a panic move to fix it because that’s how you fuck yourself. We’re way better off than we were at this time last year and our safeties are 100% better. That’s good enough for now.

This sums up my feelings. It was just too pricey to massively upgrade the position so we made a couple small improvements and invested in positions like safety and pass rusher that will make them look better. Plus we switched to a simpler scheme. I expect our corner play to be improved even if it isn't a strength.

[kysirsoze]

Go mega big dick and trade for Patrick Peterson

No way this happens, but if it did and Veach didn't give away the store, I would shit myself with delight.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

I like the LSU connection. I like this move overall because Claiborne is cheap, adds competition to a pedestrian group, wont take up a roster spot until after the served suspension, and should be motivated playing next to the Honey Badger. I expect he'll never shake that "bust" label, however. He's just another dude, a lottery ticket.

[bricks]

I like our cornerbacks.

Claiborne
Fuller
Breeland
Ward

Thats pretty good.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

I like our cornerbacks.

Claiborne
Fuller
Breeland
Ward

Thats pretty good.

Improved over last year at a minimum. Going from Ammerson to Schandrick was a signal of things to come.

[Bowser]

Improved over last year at a minimum. Going from Ammerson to Schandrick was a signal of things to come.

Yep.

The thing that concerns me this year is how they're apparently looking to use Fuller as the primary slot corner. Someone posted a stat from last year showing Fuller as one of the worst slot corners in the NFL in 2018, yet one of the best outside corners when we used him there. Now that might speak to just how shitty our safety and over the top help was last year, I guess we'll see. Just mark me down as cautious at this point at Fuller playing primarily inside. Honey Badger has to help with that, right?

[staylor26]

Yep.

The thing that concerns me this year is how they're apparently looking to use Fuller as the primary slot corner. Someone posted a stat from last year showing Fuller as one of the worst slot corners in the NFL in 2018, yet one of the best outside corners when we used him there. Now that might speak to just how shitty our safety and over the top help was last year, I guess we'll see. Just mark me down as cautious at this point at Fuller playing primarily inside. Honey Badger has to help with that, right?

Fuller’s best season of his career was in 2017 playing primarily inside.

[Chiefshrink]

So Veach, Reid, Spags etc, the guys who signed him up, are less intelligent than YOU when it comes to this game? Is that what you're saying? ROFL

IF Patrick Peterson was available even with the 6 game suspension how many teams would be lined up to sign him ? ALL 31. Same can't be said of MC because not only is he intellectually challenged in learning the NFL game but he is soft(injury prone). We'll be lucky to get 8 out of the 12 remaining games from him this season.

Since MC came into the league as a 1st rd 6th overall pick, his name is never mentioned when elite NFL shutdown CBs are talked about PERIOD. Mentioned in the same group with Peterson, Ramsey, Lattimore, Hargreaves etc... ??? Not even close!!:shake:

This is purely "taking a flyer" desperation move by the Chiefs brass in hopes he might just pan out but will not be disappointed if he doesn't because they know who they are signing.:rolleyes:

[Bowser]

Fuller’s best season of his career was in 2017 playing primarily inside.

I remember the hype of him playing the slot when he came here. Did the Redskins run a 4-3 zone in 2017? I have no idea what defense he was playing in before we traded for him.

[staylor26]

I remember the hype of him playing the slot when he came here. Did the Redskins run a 4-3 zone in 2017? I have no idea what defense he was playing in before we traded for him.

I believe it was more similar to Spags scheme than Sutton’s but I could be wrong.

[bricks]

Improved over last year at a minimum. Going from Ammerson to Schandrick was a signal of things to come.

For sure.

And if Claiborne could catch a ball, we good.

[BossChief]

Chiefs.com Team Roster Page is showing #21 Bashaud Breeland and #21 Morris Claiborne.

Don't think that is going to work.

No more numbers in the 20s are available.

Number 28 is a retired number which belonged to Abner Haynes

Right now the team has a few players sharing numbers. When I was at camp I was like ”why is Darwin Thompson on defense” looked at camp roster and there are 2 #25s.

After cuts, a few guys will have number changes.

[Wilson8]

Chiefs have these numbers retired - 3, 16, 18, 28, 33, 36, 58, 63, 78, and 86.

Without going out and looking them up, can you name each player that the Chiefs retired the number for.

I got 70%.

Anyway limited set of numbers for a 90 man roster so I can see the need to duplicate.

Always thought they duplicated with a defensive and offensive player but I see Darius Harris and Darron Lee also share #50.

[ChiefsCountry]

Chiefs have these numbers retired - 3, 16, 18, 28, 33, 36, 58, 63, 78, and 86.

Without going out and looking them up, can you name each player that the Chiefs retired the number for.

I got 70%.

Anyway limited set of numbers for a 90 man roster so I can see the need to duplicate.

Always thought they duplicated with a defensive and offensive player but I see Darius Harris and Darron Lee also share #50.

3 - Jan
16 - Lenny
18 - Emmitt Thomas
28 - Abner Haynes
33 - Stone Johnson
36 - Mack Lee Hill
58 - DT
63 - Willie
78 - Bobby
86 - Buck

Stone Johnson and Mack Lee Hill died during preseason then the team retired their numbers. Young franchise mistake. 5 of those numbers are legit, the others are meh.

[Wilson8]

Good job!

I've always thought teams should not retire numbers, they should instead just honor them.

When I see the numbers worn again, it helps remind me of the former great players that have played before.

[Wilson8]

I've been watching full games from last season from the Jets and watching Morris as much as possible.

I still think he was a good signing for the Chiefs but although he had 57 tackles last season he really tries to avoid run support when possible.

Maybe that is a good thing for a CB? He stays out on his island, covers the WR, and tackles him when he needs.

[RealSNR]

Why the fuck don't WRs wear numbers in the 80s anymore? Did Keyshawn Johnson just decide to break the mold one day and then everybody was like, "Yeah, seems like a good idea!"

Personally, I think it looks like trash. Might be just me, though.

[Wilson8]

Why the **** don't WRs wear numbers in the 80s anymore?

I suspect it was at first out of necessity. You had WRs and TEs sharing the 80s series (TE weren't allowed 40 series yet), some numbers had been retired, and just trying to find the needed numbers.

I kind of like it. It is very possible this year that we have no WR with an 80s number.

[Baby Lee]

When I see the numbers worn again, it helps remind me of the former great players that have played before.

I dunno, this still burns me up just to see it, even for how tangential it is.

https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5b157493a7ea436b547f566f/416x416.jpg?background=000000&cropX1=1000&cropX2=4189&cropY1=92&cropY2=3280

[RealSNR]

I dunno, this still burns me up just to see it, even for how tangential it is.

https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5b157493a7ea436b547f566f/416x416.jpg?background=000000&cropX1=1000&cropX2=4189&cropY1=92&cropY2=3280

I suspect that was revenge for us doing this:

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/matt-cassel-120516-wide.jpg

[Tribal Warfare]

I suspect that was revenge for us doing this:

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/matt-cassel-120516-wide.jpg

self entitled arrogance and nepotism personified

[Three7s]

I remember reading a quote back when Von Miller was drafted saying he modeled his game after Derrick Thomas and chose his number due to that.

[Otis Day]

3 - Jan
16 - Lenny
18 - Emmitt Thomas
28 - Abner Haynes
33 - Stone Johnson
36 - Mack Lee Hill
58 - DT
63 - Willie
78 - Bobby
86 - Buck

Stone Johnson and Mack Lee Hill died during preseason then the team retired their numbers. Young franchise mistake. 5 of those numbers are legit, the others are meh.

By the way, how in the hell is 89 not retired?

[Simplicity]

Why the **** don't WRs wear numbers in the 80s anymore? Did Keyshawn Johnson just decide to break the mold one day and then everybody was like, "Yeah, seems like a good idea!"

Personally, I think it looks like trash. Might be just me, though.

Personally, I think the total opposite but I was also born in 1996. 80s just make WRs look fat and old

[Simplicity]

I remember reading a quote back when Von Miller was drafted saying he modeled his game after Derrick Thomas and chose his number due to that.

Totally off topic but notice you're still rocking the signature picture I made for you AGES ago lol. Love it

[Bowser]

By the way, how in the hell is 89 not retired?

Or 68?

Personally, I think they should allow those numbers to be worn if they feel so inclined, but put some type of marking on it to show it's a team HoF number.

[tyecopeland]

Well we could bring back Marcus cooper now that he's been cut by the lions. Lol.

[SlimJim]

cheap veteran depth. I don't see what anyone would dislike about it.

This is how you finish building out a roster, finding pieces that fit. It doesn't mean that every move works out, but this one is an extremely low risk/low financial investment.

[KChiefs1]

3 - Jan

16 - Lenny

18 - Emmitt Thomas

28 - Abner Haynes

33 - Stone Johnson

36 - Mack Lee Hill

58 - DT

63 - Willie

78 - Bobby

86 - Buck



Stone Johnson and Mack Lee Hill died during preseason then the team retired their numbers. Young franchise mistake. 5 of those numbers are legit, the others are meh.


42, 68 & 88 should be retired too.

[KChiefs1]

https://youtu.be/DsaXwkFmN_Y

[InChiefsHeaven]

So, WTF did he do? Pot? PED's?

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Charles number should be retired

[bigjosh]

Charles number should be retired



Cant just retire every number. Going by that logic, 56 and 82 should be retired as well

[Baby Lee]

https://youtu.be/DsaXwkFmN_Y

https://media.tenor.co/images/26d977a9753660a447a22dabc0937239/raw

[BWillie]

Wasn't Mo the guy that got a four on his Wonderlic?

[suzzer99]

Wasn't Mo the guy that got a four on his Wonderlic?

If there's one position I'm ok with not the brightest it's CB. Helps them forget getting torched.

[arrowheadnation]

He has to sit out one more week right?

[cabletech94]

He has to sit out one more week right?

yup

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

He has to sit out one more week right?

Correct. He can play week 5

[BWillie]

Based on Madden Rankings our Cornerbacks are rated as follows:

#13 - Kendall Fuller
#67 - Mo Claiborne
#80 - Bashaud Breeland
#134 - Charvarious Ward

[T-post Tom]

Wasn't Mo the guy that got a four on his Wonderlic?

He tanked it on purpose. His issue is not his intelligence. His issue is too much time in the tub.

[rabblerouser]

What number is he gonna wear!?

[Wilson8]

What number is he gonna wear!?

#20

[Simply Red]

so this piece of shit will be ready in two weeks?

[Bump]

lol I forgot we had this piece of shit

[Raiderhater]

#20

I hate you.

[BossChief]

Gonna be interesting to see if he immediately takes Wards spot when he gets off suspension or if Ward fends him off by playing well. Apart from a handful of plays, Ward hasn’t been too bad.

[bobhill]

Is it better to rotate the cb spot , like the d line rotates or is just keeping the same tandem of cbs better?

[TwistedChief]

#20

I was told on good authority that is Jalen Ramsey's number.

[Great Expectations]

Why isn’t Deron Cherry’s number retired?

[eDave]

Why isn’t Deron Cherry’s number retired?

^^^

[Mecca]

Because guys, you can't retire every number a great wore or there won't be enough numbers left to wear.

[nychief]

Cherry should have his number retired. As a kid in the 80's...he was the only star we really had and was beloved. There were other players... Still, Hackett, Mass, Burress, Lewis et al... But Deron was the man during some bleak bleak years.

[In58men]

Does he start this week?

[rabblerouser]

Cherry should have his number retired. As a kid in the 80's...he was the only star we really had and was beloved. There were other players... Still, Hackett, Mass, Burress, Lewis et al... But Deron was the man during some bleak bleak years.

Bill Maas, Kevin Ross, Stephone Paige...

[TwistedChief]

Does he start this week?

I doubt it. The guy hasn't been with the team for the last four weeks. I imagine maybe he'll rotate in and perhaps take Ward's starting spot for the Texans game.

[rabblerouser]

Does he start this week?

Probably not "start", but he'll be on the field early and as often as his conditioning + situation allows, until he can take Ward's starting spot.

[dj56dt58]

Probably not "start", but he'll be on the field early and as often as his conditioning + situation allows, until he can take Ward's starting spot.

Ward doesn't understand how the WR can catch the ball with him using his death stare

[Mecca]

Wards frustrating because he stays with the WR but seems to not understand to turn his head and actually find the ball.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Does he play over Ward? I’m not sure. But I would give him a shot.

[Hoover]

Wards frustrating because he stays with the WR but seems to not understand to turn his head and actually find the ball.
#CHIEFS.

This has been our issue for more than a decade.

[Rain Man]

He tanked it on purpose. His issue is not his intelligence. His issue is too much time in the tub.

What's the upside of tanking the wonderlic? Other than maybe making that claim to cover up the fact that you would've gotten a 6 if you tried.

[Lzen]

I doubt it. The guy hasn't been with the team for the last four weeks. I imagine maybe he'll rotate in and perhaps take Ward's starting spot for the Texans game.

He hasn't been with the team? You mean, they don't even allow them to practice with the team? :spock:

[BigRedChief]

Does he start this week?Even if he's not in game shape, how could he be worse than Ward?

[The Franchise]

He hasn't been with the team? You mean, they don't even allow them to practice with the team? :spock:

Not if you are suspended. You can’t be around the team at all.

[Wallcrawler]

Claiborne will start over ward if anyone has any fucking sense. Ward went to William "Toasty" Bartee's DB camp.

At this camp, if you dare turn your head to look for the ball, if you DARE take your eyes off that receiver, You will be taken to the 50 and you will be thoroughly spitroasted by Bartee and Eric "Crispy" Warfield.

Dude has NO IDEA the ball is in the air to his guy. Like, ever. Give him #26 and I'd swear Bartee made it back on the team.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Gotta bench Ward. We gotta know what we have in Claiborne before the trade deadline.

[Imon Yourside]

Can he turn his head at all? I mean Ward can have blanket coverage and still give up big plays because his head doesn't move at all.

[Kiimo]

Wards frustrating because he stays with the WR but seems to not understand to turn his head and actually find the ball.


Spent too much time around Stephen Nelson I guess

[burt]

Can he turn his head at all? I mean Ward can have blanket coverage and still give up big plays because his head doesn't move at all.

and covering and turning his head is his job....

[New World Order]

Gotta bench Ward. We gotta know what we have in Claiborne before the trade deadline.

This

[Imon Yourside]

and covering and turning his head is his job....

Right! Which gives me the impression he just doesn't have "it" when IT comes to CB skills because that part of it crucial to the position.

[JakeF]

Wards frustrating because he stays with the WR but seems to not understand to turn his head and actually find the ball.
William Bartee agrees with Ward

[rabblerouser]

William Bartee agrees with Ward

Bartee never stayed with his receiver. Opposing WRs knew that he was always the quickest route to the end zone, so much that his nickname was 24 Highway.

[Pitt Gorilla]

I feel like many of you have never played defensive back. I’d much rather he not always turn his head while staying with the receiver. The greater issue is turning one’s head and losing the receiver.

And, yes, I get that you demand both.

[rabblerouser]

I feel like many of you have never played defensive back. I’d much rather he not always turn his head while staying with the receiver. The greater issue is turning one’s head and losing the receiver.

And, yes, I get that you demand both.
When the receiver's eyes get wide and he reaches for the ball, that's a great time to keep your head on a swivel and look for the ball, to either knock it down or pick the thing off.

And I never did play DB, correct.

[BossChief]

Ward played a good game and was the victim of “a perfect pass beats great coverage” similar to his first start against Russel Wilson.

He didn’t get his head turned as much as I’d like, but he got his hands up and tried to dislodge the ball.

Stafford played the game of his life.

[O.city]

You don’t turn your head and find the ball in man situations

You play the wr and try to use his movements to know when the ball is coming

[Titty Meat]

Ward played a good game and was the victim of “a perfect pass beats great coverage” similar to his first start against Russel Wilson.

He didn’t get his head turned as much as I’d like, but he got his hands up and tried to dislodge the ball.

Stafford played the game of his life.

Stafford is a damn good QB. Ward gets beat sometimes, I have no problem with that last touchdown it was a well placed ball however he could have atleast nudged the dude a little bit.

[BossChief]

In a lot of those situations, Ward couldn’t have played it a whole lot better and just got beat by a perfect throw.

Pat does that to the best corners weekly. Those corners aren’t bad, they just got beat by a perfect throw.

[BossChief]

Stafford is a damn good QB. Ward gets beat sometimes, I have no problem with that last touchdown it was a well placed ball however he could have atleast nudged the dude a little bit.

I think he did, man.he tried hard for the PBU by taking an arm away with great timing and just got beat.

He’s a young corner that still learning advanced techniques.

He’s a good study that I think will do better as he gains experience. I mean, he doesn’t even have 10 starts yet.