Should the Chiefs look at S Minkah Fitzpatrick as a CB?

[Megatron96]

So I've come around to the idea that we might need to address the CB situation sooner rather than later.

In that vein, I was wondering what we think of S Minkah Fitzpatrick of the Miami Dolphins.

6' 1" 200 lbs.

2018 stats
80 tackles
9 pass defended
2 INTs

I know, he's listed as a safety. But last year, out of 1,000 snaps played, he actually played over the slot and on the boundary in nearly 700 snaps. And when he was targeted, he allowed just a 51% completion rate, and a QB rating of only 49%. Okay, 49.7%.

And while he's still got 3 years to go on his contract, he looks cheap, at about 3-4 million/year.

Maybe a solid possibility?

[ptlyon]

YOU HAVE A MINKEY?

[keg in kc]

Guys on arrowhead pride and locked on chiefs podcasts have both been pushing pretty hard for it since Sunday's game. They seem to think that there's no chance that Xavien Howard is going anywhere, but that Fitzpatric has possibly fallen out of favor there and might be available.

[Megatron96]

Looks pretty good in this highlight video:
https://youtu.be/Xl828xrQNqU

[BWillie]

We need a corner that can play outside more. Fuller is locked into the slot, and while you need more than one I'd like someone that can shut down that threat.

[TLO]

Not gonna lie - I glanced at the title of the thread and figured this was another Cooper_Ubeja thread.

[Megatron96]

Not gonna lie - I glanced at the title of the thread and figured this was another Cooper_Ubeja thread.

Fixed

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Thanks. The random Player? Threads are generally a joke.

[In58men]

No thanks, we’re not mediocre anymore.

[Megatron96]

Thanks. The random Player? Threads are generally a joke.

Yeah, I didn't really think about it at first. Heck, this is probably only the 5th or 6th thread I've started on here. I just figured everyone knew who Minkah was. But you were right; I need to write titles to threads as if I used to be a magazine editor.

[ChiefoftheKeyboard]

I was thinking about this earlier. If he has fallen really out of favor and they’d let him go this seems like a classic Veach move to buy low on a high draft pick. They recently got rid of Kiko alonso too. Idk much about the Dolphins, but if they need LB help now I wonder if Ragland could be involved in talks? That’d explain the healthy scratch on Sunday.

[Warrick]

No thanks, we’re not mediocre anymore.


Then what is Ward's excuse?

[ChiefoftheKeyboard]

No thanks, we’re not mediocre anymore.
Our corners definitely are mediocre that’s why veach has said he’s looking around lol

[Naptown Chief]

He sounds like a plush tiger. So cute, so cuddly. Is he a sweetheart?

[Titty Meat]

The mods should lock all trade threads

[Sure-Oz]

@mortreport: The Dolphins have granted permission to DB Minkah Fitzpatrick to seek a trade, according to multiple sources who say Miami's asking price is too high. Dolphins have no comment. Story coming with help from @CameronWolfe

[ChiefoftheKeyboard]

Dolphins just granted him permission to seek a trade

[Hoover]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27603958/sources-miami-s-fitzpatrick-okd-seek-trade

[RunKC]

Why would Miami keep Flores after this year? He’s killing that team.

[Chief Northman]

Not sure Minkah is what the Chiefs need. A true corner is in order, not a slot corner/FS type...

[Dante84]

Highlights are mostly great tackles on run plays with a couple PBU’s.

Talented player, but if we are going all in on someone, I want it to be a great investment in the passing game.

[T-post Tom]

Yes please. And thank you.

[BryanBusby]

Why do we need another Thornhill?

[chiefforlife]

Fitzpatrick is not being used correctly, he was unhappy with his position before the team decided to tank.

If the Chiefs feel he would be an upgrade, Im in.

[SupDock]

Fitzpatrick is not being used correctly, he was unhappy with his position before the team decided to tank.

If the Chiefs feel he would be an upgrade, Im in.

I feel like he moves around too much as a DB, I am sure it's frustrating. If they kept him in one spot he could either bulk up or slim down to be more effective.

[SupDock]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dolphins made Minkah learn six positions this off-season, including two LB spots. This was so simple: He was best slot CB in league last year. Play him there and some boundary. Coaching staff couldn&#39;t do the obvious, and now their 2018 first rounder wants to leave</p>&mdash; Barry Jackson (@flasportsbuzz) <a href="https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz/status/1172355912327147521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[T-post Tom]

Why do we need another Thornhill?

Wrong question.

Why do we need a 22 year old DB who has proven he can play any position in the secondary at an extremely high level, having been nominated for Def Rookie of the Year, while also having a very affordable rookie contract?

[chiefforlife]

Dolphins DB Minkah Fitzpatrick was granted permission to seek a trade.

It's hardly shocking Miami's 2018 first-rounder sought a way out after playing six different positions this offseason, weak side and strong side linebacker included. Fitzpatrick allowed an airtight 53.4 passer rating in the slot last year but stayed jostling from corner to the front-seven in Miami's season opener as the new regime continued toying with alignments and personnel. A former Thorpe Award recipient as the nation's top defensive back at Alabama, there will be a number of suitors bending over backwards to take on Fitzpatrick's remaining $13.45 million for the next three seasons.
Source: Cameron Wolfe on Twitter
Sep 12, 2019, 11:52 PM ET


Read this to help understand his frustration. I would be all over this guy if I were Veach.

[chiefforlife]

Stats: Fitzpatrick was the 11th overall pick in the draft last year and would presumably still be highly regarded across the league. He played in all 16 games for Miami last season with 11 starts. He racked up 80 tackles with two interceptions, one of which was returned for a touchdown, and had nine passes defended.

All that while being moved around the defense, the more I look the more I like!!

[arrowheadnation]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source says Phins asking for a 1st for M Fitzpatrick but will likely settle for a 2nd.</p>&mdash; Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/1172371694960308227?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Titty Meat]

Mods this trade rumor shit is getting out of hand. Lock these threads plz.

[Dante84]

Hmm. If we did Minkah (49ers 2nd) and Peterson (our late 1st), that would be a pretty all-in move.
CB:
Peterson
Fuller
Breeland
Claiborne
Ward

S:
Honeybadger
Thornhill
Fitzpatrick
Watts
Sorensen

[Chargem]

Would be a cheap replacement for Fuller next year, but not that cheap based on how high he was drafted. Definitely not worth our 2nd.

[Direckshun]

There is absolutely no reason to sacrifice a 2nd rounder for a 3rd safety.

I was saying during draft season, I was saying it during free agency after we picked up Mathieu, and I'll say it now:

We are set at safety. Our depth chart there is very good.

We desperately need corners. And adding Peterson would give us the CB corps we need, moving Ward to 5th corner, and Breeland and Fuller to #2 and #3.

[New World Order]

What if you couldn't get PP, Howard or Ramsey.

Would you give up a third for Bouye?

[Direckshun]

What if you couldn't get PP, Howard or Ramsey.

Would you give up a third for Bouye?

I don't know him too well, so no comment.

[New World Order]

I don't know him too well, so no comment.

Second-team all-pro in 2017.

7th best corner going into 2019 via PFF.

[BryanBusby]

Wrong question.

Why do we need a 22 year old DB who has proven he can play any position in the secondary at an extremely high level, having been nominated for Def Rookie of the Year, while also having a very affordable rookie contract?
Extremely high level? I think you've got him confused for Derwin James, m8.

At any rate, a second year player that has no clout has no room to be requesting shit. Suck it up and do what your coaches ask.

[BossChief]

Do it Veach. A 2nd for this kid is peanuts. Also, being the 11th pick means his 5th year option isn’t as expensive.

Put him at corner and keep him there.

I wonder if we could offer a 1 and 2 for Howard and Minkah.

[BossChief]

Extremely high level? I think you've got him confused for Derwin James, m8.

At any rate, a second year player that has no clout has no room to be requesting shit. Suck it up and do what your coaches ask.

On a team that’s tanking? Nah, we disagree here. This kid has the skill set to play outside or inside corner and has safety versatility. That’s huge in a long season.

Getting him for the next 4 years (counting option year) for rookie wages would be a very smart move.

[BryanBusby]

Don't agree. The kid was drafted to a swiss army knife and when the Dolphins finally asked him to be one, he got pissed.

Tanking or not, the Dolphins made a huge commitment to him a year ago and passed up an elite talent for him. I'm pro player to a fault, but sometimes the player is in the wrong. Never gave the dude that helped coach a top tier passing D a chance.

That's not the attitude we need to install on this Defense. This team needs a proven outside cover corner, so I don't even know why this is a serious discussion.

[BossChief]

Don't agree. The kid was drafted to a swiss army knife and when the Dolphins finally asked him to be one, he got pissed.

Tanking or not, the Dolphins made a huge commitment to him a year ago and passed up an elite talent for him. I'm pro player to a fault, but sometimes the player is in the wrong. Never gave the dude that helped coach a top tier passing D a chance.

That's not the attitude we need to install on this Defense. This team needs a proven outside cover corner, so I don't even know why this is a serious discussion.

“he actually played over the slot and on the boundary in nearly 700 snaps. And when he was targeted, he allowed just a 51% completion rate, and a QB rating of only 49%. Okay, 49.7%.”

That’s pretty good for Rambo.

[BossChief]

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-top-10-cornerbacks-by-passer-rating-in-2018

Top ten corners in terms of lowest passer rating allowed.

Minkah was 7th in the NFL and first in the slot, last year.

Xavien Howard was 3rd.

I’d be interested in giving up next years 1 and 2 for the pair of em.

[Couch-Potato]

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-top-10-cornerbacks-by-passer-rating-in-2018

Top ten corners in terms of lowest passer rating allowed.

Minkah was 7th in the NFL and first in the slot, last year.

Xavien Howard was 3rd.

I’d be interested in giving up next years 1 and 2 for the pair of em.

I'm in. Pull the trigger.

[Mecca]

If you think you can get quality play from Fuller on the outside or even Fitzpatrick out there then yea it's worth it because he's cheap.

[Coogs]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27603958/sources-miami-s-fitzpatrick-okd-seek-trade

From this article, it appears they want a 1st and more.

Teams initially have been resistant to the Dolphins' apparent asking price that includes a first-round pick, sources said.

It also says several teams and the agent have talked.

Joel Segal, the agent for the defensive back, has been in contact with a number of teams.

I would assume if we are looking to upgrade the CB position, we would be one of those teams.

[ILChief]

I would give a second rounder

[Easy 6]

If you think you can get quality play from Fuller on the outside or even Fitzpatrick out there then yea it's worth it because he's cheap.

This

[Red Dawg]

We are trying to win the SB. Not a year from now, not after breakfast, NOW! Veach sat on his ass last year at CB and we need another now. Get every swinging dick in here and let's go. We gave up 12 straight completions to who? Who was the Jax back up?

[MahiMike]

Why would Miami keep Flores after this year? He’s killing that team.

Because that's exactly what the owner told him to do...

[TEX]

We are trying to win the SB. Not a year from now, not after breakfast, NOW! Veach sat on his ass last year at CB and we need another now. Get every swinging dick in here and let's go. We gave up 12 straight completions to who? Who was the Jax back up?

Pretty much this, and he"s done it for TWO years. As it relates to this year though, I really think they would have went CB early in the draft, had it not been for that awesome reporting by Mac & Chease and Channel 5, right before the draft.:shake:

[Hammock Parties]

There is absolutely no reason to sacrifice a 2nd rounder for a 3rd safety.

I was saying during draft season, I was saying it during free agency after we picked up Mathieu, and I'll say it now:

We are set at safety. Our depth chart there is very good.

We desperately need corners. And adding Peterson would give us the CB corps we need, moving Ward to 5th corner, and Breeland and Fuller to #2 and #3.

bro

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-minkah-fitzpatrick-20181114-story.html

He is also playing more boundary cornerback, ahead of Bobby McCain and opposite starter Xavien Howard, while at times operating in a safety role alongside Jones and T.J. McDonald. Those duties have been added to his plate after starting the season in a nickel defensive back role when the Dolphins deploy five defensive backs in the secondary.

https://i.imgur.com/TeEathI.jpg

[MightyMouse]

You have to consider him for a second. You then have your fuller replacement on a rookie deal for 2 plus the 5th year option. The chiefs need a outside corner obviously so I understand not doing it but you could have fitz and resign breeland and target another corner in FA or trade.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Man if you like his projection as an outside CB long term this is a deal to make. He’s so cheap and young.

[tyecopeland]

Dont you all yell at o.city for trying to trade away all our picks for players? Seems like pretty much everyone is willing to trade all picks, just for different people.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

But if he and PP cost the same in a trade, what do you do?

PP is a sure thing but more expensive for the cap.

[Prison Bitch]

The mods should lock all trade threads

Agreed. Trades never even happen. These are such clutter

[RunKC]

Honey Badger and Thornhill play literally everywhere. That’s a characteristic of Spags DB’s.

If you can get this guy for a 2nd rd pick with 4 more years of control on a rookie contract, you gotta go for that.

That is incredible value.

[Chris Meck]

But if he and PP cost the same in a trade, what do you do?

PP is a sure thing but more expensive for the cap.

You take Fitzpatrick.

Fits the schematic flexibility, can play anywhere, and is cheap and under control for four more seasons.

It allows you to let Fuller walk, and then in a couple seasons Honey Badger too.

We're going to be picking at the end of each round. IF you're going to give up picks, this is the type of player you do it for, not guys that are nearing the end of their prime.

[htismaqe]

They want a reported 1st for Fitzpatrick. Howard is not available and even if he was, he’d be worth even more. Patrick Peterson isn’t available. People need to come to terms with the fact that this group they have now is it for 2019. We are one game into the season with a completely new defense - players AND coaches. We waited 35 years for Patrick Mahomes. Be freaking patient.

[O.city]

Yeah I’d move a 2nd for him

Have him for 4 years for cheap and he’s a good player very versatile

[Jerok]

If they get this guy for a second I'll shit my pants. Its gonna be a first to start negotiations.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I’d trade a 1st for Fitzpatrick or Peterson even

We’re going to be picking 30-32 odds are, who cares about the pick. We want a Lombardi.

[O.city]

I wouldn’t trade a first but I’d do a 2nd

Especially if you can recoup it after the season

[Chris Meck]

I think in general, you seriously consider any move that adds good young contractually controlled talent.

The reality is that we're going to be picking near the end of every round for the forseeable future. One way in which we can re-stock quality talent is in trades for guys like Fitzpatrick. He's a better player than anyone we're going to get at say, pick #64.

In terms of long-term cap health, moves like this are a good idea for a team that's going to be competitive for the long haul; and if you've got Patrick Mahomes, we should be in the hunt every year.

Whether they fit a glaring immediate hole or not, you seriously consider a move like this.

[Skyy God]

bro

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-minkah-fitzpatrick-20181114-story.html



https://i.imgur.com/TeEathI.jpg

Apparently his best role (at least last year) is slot QB. So you bounce Fuller outside (where he graded out well last year), let him walk in 2020, and hopefully get a 2021 3rd compensatory pick.

https://deadspin.com/minkah-fitzpatrick-wants-out-of-miami-1838091409

[DTVietnam]

why should we be worried about our secondary?

i mean cmon guys we held the great Gardner Minshew to only 275 yrds and 2 TDS and a mere 88% completion ratio. .
and he only averaged 11 yrds per throw . .


Mahomes:
75.8% 378yrds 11.5 per throw 3TDS

https://chumley.barstoolsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/12/Screen-Shot-2019-09-12-at-11.05.07-AM-1024x731.png

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I wouldn’t trade a first but I’d do a 2nd

Especially if you can recoup it after the season

Why not?

He’s a potential top notch corner. Odds are we never get that at 30-32.

Plus he helps this year immensely I’d say.

[O.city]

Why not?

He’s a potential top notch corner. Odds are we never get that at 30-32.

Plus he helps this year immensely I’d say.

If he can be a top notch outside corner, maybe

I dunno if he can be

[Mecca]

Considering we are a year removed from him being a top 15 pick and performing well as a rookie, it's not a bad idea.

[staylor26]

They want a reported 1st for Fitzpatrick. Howard is not available and even if he was, he’d be worth even more. Patrick Peterson isn’t available. People need to come to terms with the fact that this group they have now is it for 2019. We are one game into the season with a completely new defense - players AND coaches. We waited 35 years for Patrick Mahomes. Be freaking patient.

They didn’t free up all that cap space to sit on it. They’re going to make a move.

And Albright said they would probably settle for a 2nd.

[Bowser]

If he can be a net positive for the defense you absolutely make the trade, especially considering the control you would have over him and that contract.

[KentuckyChief]

If you’re the fins and shopping M. Fitzpatrick, would you take Ragland and our second 2nd rounder?

[Chris Meck]

I wouldn’t trade a first but I’d do a 2nd

Especially if you can recoup it after the season


well, I would argue that the #32 pick and the #50ish pick...isn't really all that different in terms of talent. If Spagnuolo likes the kid and thinks he fits, make the deal. If he does, it allows you future cap flexibility in a couple of spots (Fuller/HB) and adds young talent.

I wouldn't think of him as a 3rd safety. I think positional flexibility is the idea here in this scheme. Think of him as a hybrid defensive back and probably like the second or third best player in the secondary.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Fitzpatrick makes the most sense from the perspective of wanting to pay Mahomes and Jones soon. That’s harder if you go with PP.

Idk I think it’s a Veach move all day long.

[Mecca]

I'd probably do it for the 2, we have basically nothing under contract next year back there and if we got a guy at the back of the 2nd that could do what Fitzpatrick does at his level we'd all be going nuts about how we stole him.

[TambaBerry]

this would be such a great trade for us regardless what pick we give up. Him and Thornhill both are interchangeable you could do so many different looks with the safeties we have and bringing this guy in

[Chris Meck]

Fitzpatrick makes the most sense from the perspective of wanting to pay Mahomes and Jones soon. That’s harder if you go with PP.

Idk I think it’s a Veach move all day long.


I think so too. Our all-world QB is 24 years old. We're going to be in this SB hunt every season for the next decade plus if we play our cards right.

Fuck winning one fucking SB, I want SEVEN. However many ends up being one more than the Bradys.

The way you do that is not high priced free agents. It's cheap, controllable talent.

[htismaqe]

They can’t just keep trading away 1st round picks. You guys need to stop getting your hopes up.

[Chris Meck]

this would be such a great trade for us regardless what pick we give up. Him and Thornhill both are interchangeable you could do so many different looks with the safeties we have and bringing this guy in

I agree, and creating confusion with multiple looks is a big part of this scheme I think. We're not seeing it yet, but by all accounts that's the plan.

[O.city]

They can’t just keep trading away 1st round picks. You guys need to stop getting your hopes up.

You’d have to be confident you could get a high pick back for Jones if you tagged and traded him

[Chris Meck]

They can’t just keep trading away 1st round picks. You guys need to stop getting your hopes up.

But they can. And if it's for cheap young talent, they should.

If we pick #32, is that REALLY even a first round player? Maybe, maybe not. It's at best a 50/50 bet.

A player like Fitzpatrick has shown he's a good player at the NFL level, is young, and under control for multiple seasons on a rookie deal.

He's more like a 80/20 bet.

It's much better odds that he helps you win.

[staylor26]

I don’t think it has to be a 1st though.

Albright said they’ll likely settle for a 2nd and the 49ers pick should be a decent one.

[htismaqe]

But they can. And if it's for cheap young talent, they should.

If we pick #32, is that REALLY even a first round player? Maybe, maybe not. It's at best a 50/50 bet.

A player like Fitzpatrick has shown he's a good player at the NFL level, is young, and under control for multiple seasons on a rookie deal.

He's more like a 80/20 bet.

It's much better odds that he helps you win.

Of course. In a perfect world, one in which they hadn’t just gave away a first for Frank Clark.

[Chris Meck]

Look, I get not wanting to trade all your high picks away. If it backfires, you end up with a team devoid of quality talent.

However, if you're picking last in the round, you will have a hard time re-stocking anyway.

IF you're trading picks for good young talent that's already proven at the NFL level, it's actually a better bet.

[htismaqe]

I don’t think it has to be a 1st though.

Albright said they’ll likely settle for a 2nd and the 49ers pick should be a decent one.

If they can do that, I’d do it in a heartbeat. I don’t see it happening.

[Hammock Parties]

I would absolutely give a 2nd right now.

I might even throw in a 5th round pick since he's already proven more than a raw draft pick.

[htismaqe]

Look, I get not wanting to trade all your high picks away. If it backfires, you end up with a team devoid of quality talent.

However, if you're picking last in the round, you will have a hard time re-stocking anyway.

IF you're trading picks for good young talent that's already proven at the NFL level, it's actually a better bet.

It’s not about me wanting to, it’s more about whether or not they will. I just don’t see it.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

They can’t just keep trading away 1st round picks. You guys need to stop getting your hopes up.

Why not?

Fitzpatrick essentially is a 1st at this point, year 2 of his contract as a top 10 pick.

[Dunerdr]

would you trade dee ford the oft injured one trick pony for minkah fitz who played at an apparent high level in multiple positions as a rookie?

well fuck i sure would.

[Chris Meck]

Of course. In a perfect world, one in which they hadn’t just gave away a first for Frank Clark.

Well, only time will tell if that was a good decision or not. I'd say he's likely to be a more productive player than whomever we would've drafted at what was it, #29? And sooner, no learning curve.

In the future, once Mahomes is on that second contract, we won't be able to afford deals like that, for expensive veterans.

Deals like a very late first or a second for a guy like Fitzpatrick are good moves, in my opinion.

[RollChiefsRoll]

Minkah was a beast at Alabama. I'm just concerned about slotting in a more natural safety at corner.

[staylor26]

It’s not about me wanting to, it’s more about whether or not they will. I just don’t see it.

You don’t think they want to make a move?

Why did they free up all that cap space if that’s the case?

[RunKC]

Of course. In a perfect world, one in which they hadn’t just gave away a first for Frank Clark.

This franchise has been bad at drafting defensive players. Chris Jones and Marcus Peters are the only real hits (Thornhill looks like a good one but has played 1 game).

Andy will find value on offense. He’s proven that time and time again. We have not been good at finding that same value on defense.

I would consider a 1st since it would be basically 4 years of cheap cost control. That’s a big time talent that also allows you cap control to lock of Jones.

[Chris Meck]

You don’t think they want to make a move?

Why did they free up all that cap space if that’s the case?


I think it's clear they want to make a move. I don't think THIS move would have much effect on the cap.

I think they want to make a few moves, and this one would be a smart one.

[htismaqe]

Why not?

Fitzpatrick essentially is a 1st at this point, year 2 of his contract as a top 10 pick.

Because teams just don’t do it. I get that Veach is unconventional but this isn’t Madden. I’d love to have Fitzpatrick. Would have liked to have Peterson. Or Thomas. Or any number of other guys that could have been had before the deadline. They went all-in on Frank Clark, to the point that they might not be able to keep Jones. Again, I’m not against the idea. I just don’t see it happening.

[staylor26]

I think it's clear they want to make a move. I don't think THIS move would have much effect on the cap.

I think they want to make a few moves, and this one would be a smart one.

Oh I know this one doesn’t have much to do with the extra cap space, but he seems convinced they won’t make a move at all.

[Skyy God]

Fitzpatrick makes the most sense from the perspective of wanting to pay Mahomes and Jones soon. That’s harder if you go with PP.

Idk I think it’s a Veach move all day long.

Also, I think the blanentness of Miami’s tanking creates a real buying opportunity.

A 22 year old top flight corner with 4 years of cost control doesn’t come along frequently.

Hopefully O’Brian didn’t distort the market too badly.

[htismaqe]

You don’t think they want to make a move?

Why did they free up all that cap space if that’s the case?

Sure they want to make a move. Think Charvarious Ward or Jordan Lucas not Patrick Peterson or Minkah Fitzpatrick.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Because teams just don’t do it. I get that Veach is unconventional but this isn’t Madden. I’d love to have Fitzpatrick. Would have liked to have Peterson. Or Thomas. Or any number of other guys that could have been had before the deadline. They went all-in on Frank Clark, to the point that they might not be able to keep Jones. Again, I’m not against the idea. I just don’t see it happening.

I don’t see Fitzpatrick as anything but a 1st rounder. He’s 22 and has 4 years of cheap control left.

Now, with all this said, I’m not trading for him unless you trust him as an outside CB. That’s what we need, not another safety.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Sure they want to make a move. Think Charvarious Ward or Jordan Lucas not Patrick Peterson or Minkah Fitzpatrick.

Yeah there’s no way they cleared all that cap room to get another Ward.

[htismaqe]

Oh I know this one doesn’t have much to do with the extra cap space, but he seems convinced they won’t make a move at all.

How in the world does “they won’t trade a first” equal “they won’t make any moves at all”?

[Chris Meck]

Because teams just don’t do it. I get that Veach is unconventional but this isn’t Madden. I’d love to have Fitzpatrick. Would have liked to have Peterson. Or Thomas. Or any number of other guys that could have been had before the deadline. They went all-in on Frank Clark, to the point that they might not be able to keep Jones. Again, I’m not against the idea. I just don’t see it happening.


Teams just don't do it...but other teams don't have Patrick fucking Mahomes, the reigning NFL MVP who is 24 years old.

IF you stand pat in the draft every year, you're going to picking low 20's to #32 every year for the next decade plus. Your chances of keeping your team stocked with plus talent are pretty sketchy.

You're going to have to pay Mahomes soon. That means your ability to go pay Frank Clarks and Honey Badgers in free agency is going to be compromised.

the other option is to trade for proven young talent with your draft picks when the opportunity arises.

I think it makes too much sense not to try to do that when you can.

He's scheme flexible, can play multiple positions, is a good player, and allows you to NOT pay Fuller when he's up, and perhaps even Honey Badger when HE is up again.

It's a no-brainer.

[staylor26]

How in the world does “they won’t trade a first” equal “they won’t make any moves at all”?

Ummm

They want a reported 1st for Fitzpatrick. Howard is not available and even if he was, he’d be worth even more. Patrick Peterson isn’t available. People need to come to terms with the fact that this group they have now is it for 2019. We are one game into the season with a completely new defense - players AND coaches. We waited 35 years for Patrick Mahomes. Be freaking patient.

Sure sounds like that’s what you were saying.

[htismaqe]

Teams just don't do it...but other teams don't have Patrick fucking Mahomes, the reigning NFL MVP who is 24 years old.

IF you stand pat in the draft every year, you're going to picking low 20's to #32 every year for the next decade plus. Your chances of keeping your team stocked with plus talent are pretty sketchy.

You're going to have to pay Mahomes soon. That means your ability to go pay Frank Clarks and Honey Badgers in free agency is going to be compromised.

the other option is to trade for proven young talent with your draft picks when the opportunity arises.

I think it makes too much sense not to try to do that when you can.

He's scheme flexible, can play multiple positions, is a good player, and allows you to NOT pay Fuller when he's up, and perhaps even Honey Badger when HE is up again.

It's a no-brainer.

Last season there were a couple of no-brainers that could have been done at the deadline that would have likely landed them in the Super Bowl. Everything you just said was valid last year, maybe even more so, and they went home while the Patriots went to the Super Bowl.

Again. I’m all for it but I’m not holding my breath.

[Mecca]

I generally agree that trading picks is a bad idea but he's 22 and you get 4 years of control, that's different than trading for older guys.

[htismaqe]

Ummm



Sure sounds like that’s what you were saying.

Is adding a Ward or Lucas significantly different talent wise from what they have?

[KChiefs1]

Yeah there’s no way they cleared all that cap room to get another Ward.



No way.

[O.city]

Minkah’s cap hits would be 1, 1.9, and 2 something for the next 3 years


Someone is gonna trade for him I bet

[staylor26]

Is adding a Ward or Lucas significantly different talent wise from what they have?

They’re not going to settle for that. They didn’t free up all that cap space for a Ward/Lucas level player dude. Even Terez seems convinced a move is coming.

[Dunerdr]

I don’t see Fitzpatrick as anything but a 1st rounder. He’s 22 and has 4 years of cheap control left.

Now, with all this said, I’m not trading for him unless you trust him as an outside CB. That’s what we need, not another safety.

i see where your coming from, but fuller was fair on the boundry some say even better last year. so that gives you breeland and fuller outside, minkah playing slot corner/ some safety like what HB has done in the past, then HB and thornhill. thats a much better looking group than what we have imo.

[htismaqe]

They’re not going to do that. They didn’t free up all that cap space for a Ward/Lucas level player dude.

Not one. Last year they acquired 3 or 4 guys like that during the season.

[O.city]

Minkah’s cap hits would be 1, 1.9, and 2 something for the next 3 years


Someone is gonna trade for him I bet

[Chris Meck]

I don’t see Fitzpatrick as anything but a 1st rounder. He’s 22 and has 4 years of cheap control left.

Now, with all this said, I’m not trading for him unless you trust him as an outside CB. That’s what we need, not another safety.

He played much more often as a CB in either the slot or outside than he did at either traditional safety position.

Think of it less like traditional roles and more in terms of overall secondary talent.

Also, think of it less like this is THE move and more like it's A move.

He doesn't affect the cap all that much. THIS isn't what clearing space was about.

[staylor26]

Not one. Last year they acquired 3 or 4 guys like that during the season.

So because that’s what they did last year they’re going to do it again?

And they didn’t make most of those moves after the season had already started. What is the purpose of adding another Ward or Scandrick when they’ve already added Claiborne? If they make a move it will be for somebody better than him.

[Chris Meck]

i see where your coming from, but fuller was fair on the boundry some say even better last year. so that gives you breeland and fuller outside, minkah playing slot corner/ some safety like what HB has done in the past, then HB and thornhill. thats a much better looking group than what we have imo.

This is what I'm saying.

It's very useful to have four guys who can line up anywhere. It's confusing for an offense. You don't know before the play-call where which guys are going to be. You're not sure where your mismatches are.

I like this idea a lot.

[Mile High Mania]

Minkah’s cap hits would be 1, 1.9, and 2 something for the next 3 years


Someone is gonna trade for him I bet

I would imagine half the teams in the league are looking for a good deal on him...

[htismaqe]

So because that’s what they did last year they’re going to do it again?

And they didn’t make most of those moves after the season had already started. What is the purpose of adding another Ward or Scandrick when they’ve already added Claiborne? If they make a move it will be for somebody better than him.

I don’t think they’re going to make a move. I think you all should come to terms with what is already here. Said that already. ;)

[Chris Meck]

Another way to look at it-

It's always said that successful NFL teams draft best player available and not for need. So; if according to the trade chart, next year's number one pick is equal to this year's number two pick...wouldn't you trade this year's number two pick for four years controlled of Minkah Fitzpatrick? I would.

[Chris Meck]

I don’t think they’re going to make a move. I think you all should come to terms with what is already here. Said that already. ;)

You think they cleared that cap space for no reason?

[htismaqe]

You think they cleared that cap space for no reason?

They still have stuff they can do with that money that doesn’t involve a huge trade.

[staylor26]

I don’t think they’re going to make a move. I think you all should come to terms with what is already here. Said that already. ;)

So you don’t put much stock in what Terez said?

[The Franchise]

They can have Erving and a 3rd.

[Chris Meck]

They still have stuff they can do with that money that doesn’t involve a huge trade.

In a season in which they are a Super Bowl favorite?

Does that really seem likely to you, or are you just doubling down?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

i see where your coming from, but fuller was fair on the boundry some say even better last year. so that gives you breeland and fuller outside, minkah playing slot corner/ some safety like what HB has done in the past, then HB and thornhill. thats a much better looking group than what we have imo.

They don’t play Fuller outside though. He’s strictly a slot in this scheme so far.

[Bowser]

I don’t think they’re going to make a move. I think you all should come to terms with what is already here. Said that already. ;)

Spoken like a Chiefs fan with long term PTSD. :D


I love the idea as well, and I'll believe it when I see it. But, Veach is proving himself not to be a run of the mill GM and not afraid to trade high picks for quality players, so there's hope. Maybe the thought of Mo Claiborne coming back in a few weeks keeps this deal from happening, but we'll see.

[htismaqe]

So you don’t put much stock in what Terez said?

After last year? Nope. Done with trade rumors and sensationalist crap. The team they have now is actually good enough to win once Claiborne comes back. If they add someone great but I’m not going to believe they WILL until they actually DO.

[Bowser]

They can have Erving and a 3rd.

Throw in Ragland, too

[htismaqe]

In a season in which they are a Super Bowl favorite?

Does that really seem likely to you, or are you just doubling down?

They were a Super Bowl contender last year and did nothing.

[Chris Meck]

They don’t play Fuller outside though. He’s strictly a slot in this scheme so far.

I think that's due to him previously being so good there, better than anyone else they have to man that spot.

If that changes, then you can flex guys in or out.

Again, I just think back to the emphasis on scheme flexibility all offseason. It's why they went and got Honey Badger. It's why they drafted Thornhill. It's what they've said over and over about the front four and the LB corps.

[Chris Meck]

They were a Super Bowl contender last year and did nothing.

They tried. They were working on a deal for Earl Thomas, remember? Rumors abounded that they were trying to get Peterson.

It takes both sides to get a deal done, but efforts were being made.

[ChiefBlueCFC]

The Chiefs, and every competitive team after Week 1, would be stupid not to kick the tires on trading for Fitzpatrick. Since he plays for Miami, I have watched roughly -0.32 seconds of game play of him but I understand that the Dolphins want multiple early round picks for him and if that is the price then I'd probably say no thanks

[htismaqe]

They tried. They were working on a deal for Earl Thomas, remember? Rumors abounded that they were trying to get Peterson.

It takes both sides to get a deal done, but efforts were being made.

And that’s precisely why I’m not getting my hopes up nor reading into why they redid those contracts. I’m sure they WANT to do something, I’m just not going to hold my breath that they will.

[Chris Meck]

Look, I know I'm a glass-half-full kind of guy, but I think this is a move you make if you can. Regardless of whether you think Minkah fills your biggest hole, he's a legit first round talent in his second season; one in which you're likely to be drafting in the 30's. You're not going to get a player like that in our draft slot. You just aren't. You make the deal if you can, and you keep looking for ways to improve your club.

[Dunerdr]

They don’t play Fuller outside though. He’s strictly a slot in this scheme so far.

but if they suddenly had a capable slot, and fuller is better on the boundry than ward do you not do it?

[htismaqe]

Look, I know I'm a glass-half-full kind of guy, but I think this is a move you make if you can. Regardless of whether you think Minkah fills your biggest hole, he's a legit first round talent in his second season; one in which you're likely to be drafting in the 30's. You're not going to get a player like that in our draft slot. You just aren't. You make the deal if you can, and you keep looking for ways to improve your club.

Absolutely. Unfortunately that’s true of every team in the league not based in Miami. I just don’t see it happening.

And for me personally I just don’t see it as a huge need. Im not as down on the backfield as most.

[chiefforlife]

Look, I know I'm a glass-half-full kind of guy, but I think this is a move you make if you can. Regardless of whether you think Minkah fills your biggest hole, he's a legit first round talent in his second season; one in which you're likely to be drafting in the 30's. You're not going to get a player like that in our draft slot. You just aren't. You make the deal if you can, and you keep looking for ways to improve your club.

Exactly, obtaining Fitzpatrick doesnt even effect the salary cap as they would need to cut someone to make room for him so the difference in salary cap is minimal, maybe even less if they cut someone like Sorenson.

So... You are able to upgrade the secondary significantly and STILL have all that cap room. This would be a fantastic move!

[Chris Meck]

but if they suddenly had a capable slot, and fuller is better on the boundry than ward do you not do it?

Yup.

[O.city]

With Terez and whats his face making their comments about them freeing up the cap space, i think they'll do something.

Fitzpatrick may not be it, but damn he's just such great value, even at a 2nd.

It's a move Howie Roseman would and may end up making.

[smithandrew051]

Exactly, obtaining Fitzpatrick doesnt even effect the salary cap as they would need to cut someone to make room for him so the difference in salary cap is minimal, maybe even less if they cut someone like Sorenson.

So... You are able to upgrade the secondary significantly and STILL have all that cap room. This would be a fantastic move!

I think it’s a no brainer from that perspective. It really just comes down to what you have to give up to get him.

My fear is that the Tunsil trade inflated their idea of what their players are worth. Can’t say I blame them either.

[carcosa]

He seems nice to get!

[Mecca]

Absolutely. Unfortunately that’s true of every team in the league not based in Miami. I just don’t see it happening.

And for me personally I just don’t see it as a huge need. Im not as down on the backfield as most.

I'll be down on it while I watch Ward play zone like he doesn't even understand zone principles.

[MahiMike]

Folks in Jax are thinking they might get him too. That's just the 2 teams I follow. Will be competition.

[htismaqe]

I'll be down on it while I watch Ward play zone like he doesn't even understand zone principles.

Claiborne will be starting shortly after he comes back. Him, Breeland, and Fuller are a pretty good trio. A lot better than people think.

[Chris Meck]

Absolutely. Unfortunately that’s true of every team in the league not based in Miami. I just don’t see it happening.

And for me personally I just don’t see it as a huge need. Im not as down on the backfield as most.

I'm not panicked about the secondary. I see it as respectable, especially once Claiborne gets back.

I'm more looking at the future and cap situation. I see a #11 pick who's proven to be a good player, who's scheme and position flexible in year two of his rookie deal that allows you options when all of the rest of these contracts come due.

[htismaqe]

I'm not panicked about the secondary. I see it as respectable, especially once Claiborne gets back.

I'm more looking at the future and cap situation. I see a #11 pick who's proven to be a good player, who's scheme and position flexible in year two of his rookie deal that allows you options when all of the rest of these contracts come due.

Don’t get me wrong. I’d love Fitzpatrick. So would every other team in the league. I just don’t see it happening.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

You set a bar and don’t go over it here if you’re Veach. No need to panic like BOB and give up a stupid amount of compensation.

If it doesn’t work out, see what you have with Claiborne and explore PP.

[htismaqe]

You set a bar and don’t go over it here if you’re Veach. No need to panic like BOB and give up a stupid amount of compensation.

If it doesn’t work out, see what you have with Claiborne and explore PP.

Yes.

[Chris Meck]

You set a bar and don’t go over it here if you’re Veach. No need to panic like BOB and give up a stupid amount of compensation.

If it doesn’t work out, see what you have with Claiborne and explore PP.


I agree. I just think the bar for me would be #32 and maybe a fourth.

I think it's totally worth it.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Minkah Fitzpatrick is at Miami Dolphins practice</p>&mdash; Joe Schad (@schadjoe) <a href="https://twitter.com/schadjoe/status/1172524718076940288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[RunKC]

You set a bar and don’t go over it here if you’re Veach. No need to panic like BOB and give up a stupid amount of compensation.

If it doesn’t work out, see what you have with Claiborne and explore PP.

Yes we don’t need a repeat of the raping Veach took to get Frank Clark

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Why would we trade for him? I’m not gonna replace Thornhill. Had a decent year in tackles last year.

[ct]

so my initial thought is we value minkah for his versatility, but it was the moving around at miami that allegedly has him annoyed or why he's fallen out of favor there, so why would he be happy with that prospect here?

maybe it was the LB roles that pushed him over the edge? surely our scheme would not involve him playing there, doesnt seem to fit at all. so perhaps that could be the difference.

if our staff sees value with him as a hybrid slot and outside CB, and FS, then i'd absolutely pay up to our 1st for him. that hybrid combination essentially replaces fuller next year and plugs gaps this year too. perhaps leaves cap$ for jonesy as well.

[Mecca]

so my initial thought is we value minkah for his versatility, but it was the moving around at miami that allegedly has him annoyed or why he's fallen out of favor there, so why would he be happy with that prospect here?

maybe it was the LB roles that pushed him over the edge? surely our scheme would not involve him playing there, doesnt seem to fit at all. so perhaps that could be the difference.

if our staff sees value with him as a hybrid slot and outside CB, and FS, then i'd absolutely pay up to our 1st for him. that hybrid combination essentially replaces fuller next year and plugs gaps this year too. perhaps leaves cap$ for jonesy as well.

I think he's saying some of that to get out of there, but I also don't think he's super thrilled to be playing in the box a lot either. He didn't really complain last year...it's likely he sees what's going on there and is like yea fuck this.

[Chris Meck]

I think he's saying some of that to get out of there, but I also don't think he's super thrilled to be playing in the box a lot either. He didn't really complain last year...it's likely he sees what's going on there and is like yea **** this.


I agree.

It's a violent sport in which any snap could be your last. Every season is brutal and long. Why would you want to waste a whole year of your life for a team intentionally tanking? I'd want out too. Fuck all that noise.

[Dunerdr]

Why would we trade for him? I’m not gonna replace Thornhill. Had a decent year in tackles last year.

get fucking woke mahomo hes not just a safety.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source says Phins asking for a 1st for M Fitzpatrick but will likely settle for a 2nd.</p>&mdash; Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/1172371694960308227?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Hammock Parties]

so my initial thought is we value minkah for his versatility, but it was the moving around at miami that allegedly has him annoyed or why he's fallen out of favor there, so why would he be happy with that prospect here?

maybe it was the LB roles that pushed him over the edge? surely our scheme would not involve him playing there, doesnt seem to fit at all. so perhaps that could be the difference.

if our staff sees value with him as a hybrid slot and outside CB, and FS, then i'd absolutely pay up to our 1st for him. that hybrid combination essentially replaces fuller next year and plugs gaps this year too. perhaps leaves cap$ for jonesy as well.

The Chiefs aren't gonna have this guy playing LB.

I'd guess he'd be 90% CB snaps, with some looks at safety thrown in for certain situations.

[Mecca]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Minkah Fitzpatrick is one of the cleanest prospects in past decade. If he’s available, this trade should get done today.<br><br>✅off-field<br>✅size<br>✅strength<br>✅athleticism<br>✅high IQ<br>✅tough<br>✅competitive<br>✅durable<br>✅griitty<br>✅leadership<br>✅work ethic<br>✅versatile<br>✅productive<br>✅winner</p>&mdash; Jim Nagy (@JimNagy_SB) <a href="https://twitter.com/JimNagy_SB/status/1172450145293619202?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[smithandrew051]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source says Phins asking for a 1st for M Fitzpatrick but will likely settle for a 2nd.</p>&mdash; Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/1172371694960308227?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I’d flip them the 49ers pick in a heartbeat

[htismaqe]

I’d flip them the 49ers pick in a heartbeat

They’ll get more than that.

[smithandrew051]

They’ll get more than that.

I would assume so. I was responding to that tweet though.

[huskerdooz]

Per PFF Fitzpatrick was the 7th best CB in passer rating allowed.

7. MINKAH FITZPATRICK, MIAMI DOLPHINS
Passer Rating Allowed: 69.0
Fitzpatrick is the second rookie to make this list, but he’s the first player to make it who didn’t primarily play outside corner in 2018. The Dolphins had Minkah line up all over the field this past season; he spent 379 snaps as a slot corner, 281 snaps out wide and another 261 snaps as either a free or box safety. In coverage, Minkah was especially effective out of the slot, where he ranked first among cornerbacks by allowing just a 53.4 passer rating.

Of course Xavien Howard was ranked 3rd.

3. XAVIEN HOWARD, MIAMI DOLPHINS
Passer Rating Allowed: 62.6
Howard took a nice step forward during his third NFL campaign, finishing the season with a 75.3 coverage grade which bested his previous best grade by nearly 12 points (63.6 in 2017). Howard allowed 29 catches on 57 targets for 469 yards and four touchdowns to go with his league-leading seven interceptions (and he missed four games at the end of the season). The former second-round pick held opposing signal-callers to a sub-100 passer rating when targeting him in coverage in 8 of 12 games last season

[ChiefoftheKeyboard]

so my initial thought is we value minkah for his versatility, but it was the moving around at miami that allegedly has him annoyed or why he's fallen out of favor there, so why would he be happy with that prospect here?

maybe it was the LB roles that pushed him over the edge? surely our scheme would not involve him playing there, doesnt seem to fit at all. so perhaps that could be the difference.

if our staff sees value with him as a hybrid slot and outside CB, and FS, then i'd absolutely pay up to our 1st for him. that hybrid combination essentially replaces fuller next year and plugs gaps this year too. perhaps leaves cap$ for jonesy as well.
From what I’ve gathered reading about it, it seems like his frustration is a lack of structure and having a plan in place. We’d use his versatility to an advantage but with a plan in place. They had him learn 6 different positions in the offseason and it sounds like the plan would change even mid week at times. Rather than having him fill in for whoever goes down, we’d have a specific role for him. I think he’d be great in the slot about 60% of the time and see another 30% on the outside and 10% at safety maybe blitzing off the edge or playing close to the line in run support. Cut out the playing LB and deep safety and simplify things and I bet he’d be a lot happier.

[ChiefoftheKeyboard]

If Minkah can hold down the slot and we give up our 1 for him, what would you think of using fuller to try to get Pat Peterson? Maybe fuller and a mid round pick like a 3 and get a 5th back from AZ.

[chiefforlife]

Fitzpatrick is at practice today for Miami, proving just how stupid Miami is once again.
If he gets hurt in practice there goes any value you had in him. Why not hold him out until you see what you can get for him?

[Dunerdr]

If Minkah can hold down the slot and we give up our 1 for him, what would you think of using fuller to try to get Pat Peterson? Maybe fuller and a mid round pick like a 3 and get a 5th back from AZ.

uh id say this is probably a fuller or pat pete situation if its either of them. it would be rough to get three guys up to speed including scandrick part 2 in a few weeks.

[KChiefs1]

Per PFF Fitzpatrick was the 7th best CB in passer rating allowed.

7. MINKAH FITZPATRICK, MIAMI DOLPHINS
Passer Rating Allowed: 69.0
Fitzpatrick is the second rookie to make this list, but he’s the first player to make it who didn’t primarily play outside corner in 2018. The Dolphins had Minkah line up all over the field this past season; he spent 379 snaps as a slot corner, 281 snaps out wide and another 261 snaps as either a free or box safety. In coverage, Minkah was especially effective out of the slot, where he ranked first among cornerbacks by allowing just a 53.4 passer rating.

Of course Xavien Howard was ranked 3rd.

3. XAVIEN HOWARD, MIAMI DOLPHINS
Passer Rating Allowed: 62.6
Howard took a nice step forward during his third NFL campaign, finishing the season with a 75.3 coverage grade which bested his previous best grade by nearly 12 points (63.6 in 2017). Howard allowed 29 catches on 57 targets for 469 yards and four touchdowns to go with his league-leading seven interceptions (and he missed four games at the end of the season). The former second-round pick held opposing signal-callers to a sub-100 passer rating when targeting him in coverage in 8 of 12 games last season



I’d take both of them.

[Skyy God]

If Minkah can hold down the slot and we give up our 1 for him, what would you think of using fuller to try to get Pat Peterson? Maybe fuller and a mid round pick like a 3 and get a 5th back from AZ.

Nah.

Fuller is making $2M this year. No way I'm playing PP, who doesn't know the scheme, 5x as much and trading draft capital.

[The Franchise]

Fitzpatrick is at practice today for Miami, proving just how stupid Miami is once again.
If he gets hurt in practice there goes any value you had in him. Why not hold him out until you see what you can get for him?

Because the Dolphins are trying to win. /s

[chiefforlife]

Because the Dolphins are trying to win. /s

Not sure if you are serious but if they were trying to win they wouldnt allow him to seek a trade.

[ChiefoftheKeyboard]

Nah.

Fuller is making $2M this year. No way I'm playing PP, who doesn't know the scheme, 5x as much and trading draft capital.
We'd be paying fitzpatrick less than 2M this year to cover the slot though, and we'd have him for 3 extra years on a cheap contract when you take into account the 5th yr option. And we'd actually be getting something in return for fuller rather than letting him walk in the offseason. It isn't like fuller has been in this defense for 3 years either. He probably is still scratching the surface as well. It would be a lot to get minkah and pat peterson up to speed, but we have a great offense to lean on, then we'd get hill back in about 5 weeks and you have claiborne coming back in another 3 weeks. We don't need the defense to be great by week 5. We need them to be ready to beat the pats in foxborough week 14 and this would give us a lot more talent to do that.

[htismaqe]

Trade for Fitzpatrick, Peterson, Rhodes, and Howard. Super Bowl!

[Mecca]

Trade for Fitzpatrick, Peterson, Rhodes, and Howard. Super Bowl!

Houshmazilli,championship!

[T-post Tom]

At any rate, a second year player that has no clout has no room to be requesting shit. Suck it up and do what your coaches ask.

Has nothing to do with his ability to help the Chiefs.

[T-post Tom]

Per PFF Fitzpatrick was the 7th best CB in passer rating allowed.

7. MINKAH FITZPATRICK, MIAMI DOLPHINS
Passer Rating Allowed: 69.0
Fitzpatrick is the second rookie to make this list, but he’s the first player to make it who didn’t primarily play outside corner in 2018. The Dolphins had Minkah line up all over the field this past season; he spent 379 snaps as a slot corner, 281 snaps out wide and another 261 snaps as either a free or box safety. In coverage, Minkah was especially effective out of the slot, where he ranked first among cornerbacks by allowing just a 53.4 passer rating.

Of course Xavien Howard was ranked 3rd.

3. XAVIEN HOWARD, MIAMI DOLPHINS
Passer Rating Allowed: 62.6
Howard took a nice step forward during his third NFL campaign, finishing the season with a 75.3 coverage grade which bested his previous best grade by nearly 12 points (63.6 in 2017). Howard allowed 29 catches on 57 targets for 469 yards and four touchdowns to go with his league-leading seven interceptions (and he missed four games at the end of the season). The former second-round pick held opposing signal-callers to a sub-100 passer rating when targeting him in coverage in 8 of 12 games last season

Yes. Only thing he can't do effectively is cover TEs. Chiefs aren't going to ask him to do that. He won't be playing LB either.

[Stinger]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notes if Minkah Fitzpatrick were traded:<br>* Under contract through 2021 (plus a fifth-year option)<br>* Base salary/cap hit in 2019-2021: $1.23M, $1.98M and $2.27M <br>* Just 22 years old<br>* Can play either safety spot and slot cornerback<br>* Recorded 80 tackles, 9 PD and 2 INT as a rookie</p>&mdash; Field Yates (@FieldYates) <a href="https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1172473880293720064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Like the Salary/Cap Hit #'s. Allows Chiefs to be more flexible and go in different directions of other needs as well.

[St. Patty's Fire]

haha my friend is a diehard fins fan and he texted me last night “chiefs should trade for Minkah”

I completely agree. 22 year old DB with upside who can play all over the secondary? get this shit done

[ChiefoftheKeyboard]

Has nothing to do with his ability to help the Chiefs.
No kidding and when the whole team isn't buying in you can't put that all on one player. The problem is clearly with their front office/coaching staff, not just the players.

[htismaqe]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notes if Minkah Fitzpatrick were traded:<br>* Under contract through 2021 (plus a fifth-year option)<br>* Base salary/cap hit in 2019-2021: $1.23M, $1.98M and $2.27M <br>* Just 22 years old<br>* Can play either safety spot and slot cornerback<br>* Recorded 80 tackles, 9 PD and 2 INT as a rookie</p>&mdash; Field Yates (@FieldYates) <a href="https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1172473880293720064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Like the Salary/Cap Hit #'s. Allows Chiefs to be more flexible and go in different directions of other needs as well.

And that’s true for 30 other teams. They’re not going to get him on the cheap.

[The Franchise]

Not sure if you are serious but if they were trying to win they wouldnt allow him to seek a trade.

Hence the /s for sarcasm.

[ChiefoftheKeyboard]

Hence the /s for sarcasm.
maybe he thought the /s stood for sincere since everyone knows the dolphins are gonna be heading for a superbowl this year

[RealSNR]

I wonder if the Dolphins would accept any of our pieces of shit if it would slightly lower the 1st round price tag.

Like, we've got 10 offensive linemen. Trade them Erving. Advertise him as the ultimate depth OL to have on your team, able to play just about any position, gritty locker room guy, etc.

Only problem is breaking the news to him that he's been traded to Miami. Can't imagine that would go well.

Start at the low end and see if they'll bite. Try for Erving and a 3rd. Might be crazy enough to work.

[ChiefoftheKeyboard]

I wonder if the Dolphins would accept any of our pieces of shit if it would slightly lower the 1st round price tag.

Like, we've got 10 offensive linemen. Trade them Erving. Advertise him as the ultimate depth OL to have on your team, able to play just about any position, gritty locker room guy, etc.

Only problem is breaking the news to him that he's been traded to Miami. Can't imagine that would go well.

Start at the low end and see if they'll bite. Try for Erving and a 3rd. Might be crazy enough to work.
I was thinking of including Ragland, especially since they dumped Kiko Alonso. The problem with that is Reid seems to only trade players into half-decent situations which Miami is not. So I can't see us actually sending a player to a place players are trying to escape. Although, that would be my first option.

[Dunerdr]

trade them lucas back? and ragland and the 9ers pick? jk kinda if they would do it i would do it..

[New World Order]

2nd for Fitz. Fuller and a 4th for Bouye.

There we go. That's a damn good secondary.

[Dunerdr]

2nd for Fitz. Fuller and a 4th for Bouye.

There we go. That's a damn good secondary.

why would the jags even interrupt what they have for that?

[Megatron96]

Couple questions:

Is there any reason Fitzpatrick couldn't be converted into a true CB? The guy apparently has sub-4.4 speed, and if he lost just 5-7 lbs. he'd be a legit 4.35-4.38 guy. And wasn't he a true corner at Alabama?

Does anyone think this guy isn't better than the CBs we are fielding now? Excepting Mo Claiborne, as he hasn't been on the field yet.

As for the trading picks thing, unless this season goes completely off the rails, we're looking at picking somewhere south of 29th, right? Basically a second round pick. Not going to get anything good at CB at 29th on down. If Miami will take our 1st round pick, why wouldn't we do that?

For the foreseeable future I'm guessing the only way we get a pick north of 20 is by trading a player for it.

[Dunerdr]

Couple questions:

Is there any reason Fitzpatrick couldn't be converted into a true CB? The guy apparently has sub-4.4 speed, and if he lost just 5-7 lbs. he'd be a legit 4.35-4.38 guy. And wasn't he a true corner at Alabama?

Does anyone think this guy isn't better than the CBs we are fielding now? Excepting Mo Claiborne, as he hasn't been on the field yet.

As for the trading picks thing, unless this season goes completely off the rails, we're looking at picking somewhere south of 29th, right? Basically a second round pick. Not going to get anything good at CB at 29th on down. If Miami will take our 1st round pick, why wouldn't we do that?

For the foreseeable future I'm guessing the only way we get a pick north of 20 is by trading a player for it.

thats where 90% of us are with this. but it would be hard to commit that kind of capital to "convert" anything.

[New World Order]

why would the jags even interrupt what they have for that?

Bouye was rumored to be a cap casualty this past offseason. There's a chance he's cut after this year. He'll be almost 30.

If they have a shit start I don't see why they wouldn't trade him.

[Megatron96]

thats where 90% of us are with this. but it would be hard to commit that kind of capital to "convert" anything.

Gotcha, thx.

But are we really "converting" him, or are we really just returning him to his natural position? Wasn't he the 7th best CB in the draft?

[htismaqe]

2nd for Fitz. Fuller and a 4th for Bouye.

There we go. That's a damn good secondary.

ROFL

[Dunerdr]

Gotcha, thx.

But are we really "converting" him, or are we really just returning him to his natural position? Wasn't he the 7th best CB in the draft?

Im not saying we are, I know little to nothing about his college career or pro career at that. It would depend on how the chiefs see him in my opinion. If they feel like hes a safety who plays corner and needs schooled up thats one thing, if they feel hes a corner who plays the middle too because hes just a killer thats a whole other thing.

[New World Order]

ROFL

If they plan on releasing him this offseason it's very possible.

[Mile High Mania]

Believe Denver has about $11M or so in space after moving Flacco's numbers around, they could certainly use Minkah. Send them another DB, 2020 R2 and some other pick and call it a day.

[New World Order]

Even if we acquire him that likely leaves Breeland on Gordon and Fuller on AB on the outside.

Ugly.

[htismaqe]

If they plan on releasing him this offseason it's very possible.

They’d have to give Fuller a contract. Pure fantasy and not the football kind.

[htismaqe]

Even if we acquire him that likely leaves Breeland on Gordon and Fuller on AB on the outside.

Ugly.

Might as well give up!

[Dunerdr]

Even if we acquire him that likely leaves Breeland on Gordon and Fuller on AB on the outside.

Ugly.

breeland matches up on gordon decently, no one matches up well on ab so..

[New World Order]

breeland matches up on gordon decently, no one matches up well on ab so..

Yeah I guess that's not as bad as it sounds.

Still would rather blow my load and go all in with a guy like PP, but that really may not be possible.

Whatever. I just hope we try something.

[BossChief]

Interesting that a lot more of you aren’t open to trading our first for him.

1) he’s a super cheap player at a position of need that has proven the ability to be extremely effective at multiple positions.

2) our first rounder will be a bottom pick in the first.

3) we would have him for 4 cost controlled years.

4) trading for MF would give KC the cap space to also keep Chris Jones long term while trading for an established veteran would make that negotiation more difficult (but still possible).

....

I just don’t see any reasoning of why we wouldn’t be willing to trade a first for him.

Give me the logic behind not trading a first for him.

[Dunerdr]

Interesting that a lot more of you aren’t open to trading our first for him.

1) he’s a super cheap player at a position of need that has proven the ability to be extremely effective at multiple positions.

2) our first rounder will be a bottom pick in the first.

3) we would have him for 4 cost controlled years.

4) trading for MF would give KC the cap space to also keep Chris Jones long term while trading for an established veteran would make that negotiation more difficult (but still possible).

....

I just don’t see any reasoning of why we wouldn’t be willing to trade a first for him.

Give me the logic behind not trading a first for him.
I was against a first initially but after a little research im alot more open to it. Im not really interested in a first plus, but just our 32 pick and i could live with it.

[KChiefs1]

Interesting that a lot more of you aren’t open to trading our first for him.

1) he’s a super cheap player at a position of need that has proven the ability to be extremely effective at multiple positions.

2) our first rounder will be a bottom pick in the first.

3) we would have him for 4 cost controlled years.

4) trading for MF would give KC the cap space to also keep Chris Jones long term while trading for an established veteran would make that negotiation more difficult (but still possible).

....

I just don’t see any reasoning of why we wouldn’t be willing to trade a first for him.

Give me the logic behind not trading a first for him.



More than likely that pick would be used on a CB too. Is MF worth the 32nd pick?

[Jerok]

More than likely that pick would be used on a CB too. Is MF worth the 32nd pick?

He went 11th overall. Losing 1 year of control, but with most of the contract already paid, is a solid deal for a 29 thru 32 pick.

Many first rounders are busts. He is not, based on his rookie year he can be really good or even great. It's definitely worth our first.

[Mecca]

I don't know if a 1 is that bad here, I'm normally against that but if we're going to be picking in that 30-32 type range, dude is 22.

He's very cheap and controlled, something we do need.

[Dunerdr]

Also to be noted, his initials are MF!

[Mecca]

https://www.reddit.com/r/miamidolphins/comments/d3pf94/dolphins_db_minkah_fitzpatrick_had_his_worst_game/

Watch that video, a ton of that is really awful coaching and scheme design, I see why people think they are taking on purpose.

Quick tell me it's a good idea to think Fitzpatrick can literally turn and run with Marquis Brown in man with no safety help, yes that's all on Minkah right?

[The Franchise]

It’d be nice to have Fitzpatrick and our 1st so that we could have the 5th year option for who we draft.

[JakeF]

You can never have too many guys that can handle that slot. They have to be quick enough cover/cut both directions because they don't have the sideline protecting one direction. They have to be smart enough to read the entire play because they are so close offensive line. I don't know if Fitzpatrick is worth a 1st but he's certainly worth a 2nd.

[BossChief]

Let’s do this analytically.

The 11th pick (where MF was picked) is worth 1250 points.

1/4 years of his rookie deal are already used, so let’s subtract 25% of that value. That leaves him (purely as a prospect) worth 937.50 draft value points.

That puts that draft pick equivalent at pick 17...not even factoring in that the pick was a huge hit.

Giving up pick 32 should be an absolute no brainer.

[BryanBusby]

Has nothing to do with his ability to help the Chiefs.
It actually does. What's he going to do if he doesn't like what Spagnuolo asks from him?

I'm not all in on as the Miami Dolphins turns, but I've seen reports he dog legged the end of the Gase era too. Not gonna fault him if he does what they say and looks bad, but I don't want anymore Bob Sutton shit of guys not even trying. We just got done getting rid of that shit.

[BossChief]

Someone give me solid reasoning as to why trading our first for him is in any way a bad idea.

[staylor26]

Someone give me solid reasoning as to why trading our first for him is in any way a bad idea.

If they feel that he (or Fuller) can’t play outside, which is what we really need.

[ChiefoftheKeyboard]

It actually does. What's he going to do if he doesn't like what Spagnuolo asks from him?

I'm not all in on as the Miami Dolphins turns, but I've seen reports he dog legged the end of the Gase era too. Not gonna fault him if he does what they say and looks bad, but I don't want anymore Bob Sutton shit of guys not even trying. We just got done getting rid of that shit.
It’s not just him though, no dolphins player is bought in. It’s obvious they’re trying to tank. Do you really not think the chiefs locker room is strong enough to make a player want to give his all? The dolphins have no specific plan for him and pretty much told him that. There’s a difference in having a versatile player with a plan in place, and having a player try to learn 6 positions and plug him wherever someone gets injured and change the plan each week.

[thabear04]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Dolphins are open to trading safety Minkah Fitzpatrick, the 11th overall pick in 2018. Cowboys VP Stephen Jones was just asked on <a href="https://twitter.com/1053thefan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@1053thefan</a> if they have had any communication with the Dolphins in the last 24 hours. Jones said “yeah,” but he wouldn’t comment on specifics</p>&mdash; Jon Machota (@jonmachota) <a href="https://twitter.com/jonmachota/status/1172593887329837058?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jerok]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Dolphins are open to trading safety Minkah Fitzpatrick, the 11th overall pick in 2018. Cowboys VP Stephen Jones was just asked on <a href="https://twitter.com/1053thefan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@1053thefan</a> if they have had any communication with the Dolphins in the last 24 hours. Jones said “yeah,” but he wouldn’t comment on specifics</p>&mdash; Jon Machota (@jonmachota) <a href="https://twitter.com/jonmachota/status/1172593887329837058?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'm sure most of the league has asked about the price. A GM wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't. So the Jets and Texans probably didn't ask.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Let me say this about the Minkah Fitzpatrick drama. This all centers on his use, his role, how he’s utilized in this defense. He clearly doesn’t want to cover TEs, and I agree, that role doesn’t fit him. Put him on the boundary or put him and nickel CB and see how things pan out.</p>&mdash; Omar Kelly (@OmarKelly) <a href="https://twitter.com/OmarKelly/status/1172375930423009280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Dunerdr]

I'm sure most of the league has asked about the price. A GM wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't. So the Jets and Texans probably didn't ask.

The internets are on fire basically every team should be interested.

[Mecca]

So real question, do you think that Minkah is telling Tua how horrid is it in Miami and how much he shouldn't wanna go there?

[Dunerdr]

I know a few here are trying to peg this guy as a quitter, or soft or something but Saban fucking loves him and to me that speaks volumes.

http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2018/05/07/how-nick-saban-feels-about-miami-dolphins-minkah-fitzpatrick/

[arrowheadnation]

I don’t know what I’d do if we got both PP and Minkah.

[DJ's left nut]

I'll just re-post what I said a month or so ago; nothing's changed.

I'd be on board with Fitzpatrick but I don't know exactly what he is just yet.

He might be a better FS than CB. Then again, he might be a better slot CB than a boundary CB (he played well as a slot CB last year). He seems to have the versatility that Veach/Spags both really like.

As the 11th overall pick, he'll have a more reasonable 5th year option figure to go with 3 more years on his current deal. Additionally, the Dolphins would end up absorbing the bulk of what he's owed into their cap via the accelerated signing bonus.

I mean he'd be a real nice target but he'll be pricey. I'm not even sure a 2nd would get it done. Then again, our later 2nd is what transfers so with Jimmy Grapes looking like the overrated slag everyone should've known he was, maybe our 2nd has more value.

Would I give a 2nd for Fitzpatrick? Yeah, I think I'd do that. Nice young CB with 3 years of cost control (at a low price) who can move around quite a bit as needed and who comes with a viable 5th year option pricetag as well. Would I give the 1st that the Dolphins would probably ask for? Eh...probably not.

He could potentially be a really nice addition but when all is said and done there, more will be said than done. Teams don't tend to move 1st round picks the year after very successful rookie seasons.

[Jerok]

I don’t know what I’d do if we got both PP and Minkah.

Celebrate a Superbowl

[BossChief]

I'll just re-post what I said a month or so ago; nothing's changed.

Gimme your argument against sending Miami a first for the kid.

To me, that deal would be made faster than I can blink.

[BossChief]

I don’t know what I’d do if we got both PP and Minkah.

If we trade for MF, a trade for PP is most likely completely off the table unless the price tag goes down to a 3rd.

[Iconic]

If he's actually available for just a first it's worth doing. Anything more and it's a pass.

[Dunerdr]

question.. the dolphins gave MF permission to seek a trade. So does that mean he gets to have some say in where he goes? the wording would imply that he and his agent reach out to teams and miami gives a yes or no on compensation. or is it really that miami is on a compensation grab letting him and his agent do some leg work?

[BossChief]

Sure does seem like this is another BB coach that is actively tearing down the team he went to.

[wazu]

Feels like this guy would make us better, but if the goal is to win the Superbowl this year, an outside CB is what's needed. It would hurt as the price would be steep, but could be what we need to do, especially since we know we gotta beat the Patriots and their suddenly All Star WR corp.

[htismaqe]

I don’t know what I’d do if we got both PP and Minkah.

They won’t end up with either.

[In58men]

They won’t end up with either.

Yeah, not with that fucking attitude we won’t.

[htismaqe]

Yeah, not with that fucking attitude we won’t.

Like my attitude can affect it in any way. 😂

[Red Dawg]

Why is Veach sitting on his ass?

[htismaqe]

Why is Veach sitting on his ass?

:LOL:

[chiefforlife]

Why is Veach sitting on his ass?

Come on man, not a fair statement at all. If there is one thing we know about Veach its that he is NOT sitting on his ass.

If there is a deal to be had, hes on it.

[OKchiefs]

I wonder if we can set the record for consecutive years without a first round pick. I guess when you're awful in the draft you constantly have to play catch up by trading 1st round picks to fill holes.

[chiefforlife]

I wonder if we can set the record for consecutive years without a first round pick. I guess when you're awful in the draft you constantly have to play catch up by trading 1st round picks to fill holes.

What a dumb statement. So far Veach has Mahomes and Clark as first rounders. Are you seriously going to question that?

[staylor26]

I wonder if we can set the record for consecutive years without a first round pick. I guess when you're awful in the draft you constantly have to play catch up by trading 1st round picks to fill holes.

:facepalm:

We knocked it out the park this year without a 1st round pick. What the fuck are you talking about?

[jaa1025]

If they believe he can be an upgrade at the boundary in this scheme then go get him. If not then they don't need another single high safety or slot CB.

[Mahomes_Is_God]

1st round picks are overrated. Get Fitz, PP, and Howard!

[JakeF]

What a dumb statement. So far Veach has Mahomes and Clark as first rounders. Are you seriously going to question that?John Dorsey was our GM when Mahomes was drafted. Veach doesn't have a 1st round draft pick yet.

[UChieffyBugger]

He was a very good corner at Bama right? So if getting the likes of Howard, Slay and Peterson isn't possible, then why not do a deal like this?

[Red Dawg]

Veach needs to make the deal. Do we need picks or a damn CB? We need a CB that's better than Ward and he's cheap.

Pats got Brown because of us and we will not beat them with our current secondary. Would be a long shot.

[Chargem]

Why are we that scared of Brown? He had shitty stats against Buttons terrible defense last year, 17 targets 9 receptions 67 yards no touchdowns.

[Dunerdr]

Im honestly assuming that theres alot of interest in MF and the price is climbing. Ive seen alot of smoke on social media from alot of fan bases who seem to think hes an upgrade at one of 6 posistions.

[In58men]

Chiefs cut former sixth-round pick Tremon Smith, per a league source. Chiefs have injuries at wide receiver and needed to make a roster move

We’re making room!!

[htismaqe]

Chiefs cut former sixth-round pick Tremon Smith, per a league source. Chiefs have injuries at wide receiver and needed to make a roster move

We’re making room!!

ROFL

They’re making room for a 5th WR.

[htismaqe]

Im honestly assuming that theres alot of interest in MF and the price is climbing. Ive seen alot of smoke on social media from alot of fan bases who seem to think hes an upgrade at one of 6 posistions.

Exactly. He isn’t going to be cheap.

[MIAdragon]

Why are we that scared of Brown? He had shitty stats against Buttons terrible defense last year, 17 targets 9 receptions 67 yards no touchdowns.

With who throwing him the ball, Brady?

[MIAdragon]

Exactly. He isn’t going to be cheap.

Why would he? He’s a mid first round pick from a year ago that’s actually preformed very well. He’s worth a 1st and a mid to lower pick at least.