Forget Peterson and Ramsey

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> source says the team isn’t interested in <a href="https://twitter.com/Jaguars?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Jaguars</a> CB <a href="https://twitter.com/jalenramsey?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jalenramsey</a> now that he wants a trade. Source says the team’s locker room “is too good right now.” The team did ask <a href="https://twitter.com/AZCardinals?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AZCardinals</a> about CB Patrick Peterson earlier this year and was “emphatically told no.”</p>&mdash; Jeffri Chadiha (@jeffrichadiha) <a href="https://twitter.com/jeffrichadiha/status/1173945058208419842?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Regarding Jalen Ramsey: I think the Chiefs will continue to monitor the CB monitor. However, I would not expect a hard push for Ramsey.<br><br>Ramsey will require a lot of capital via picks and a new deal, and the Chiefs have have Mahomes and Chris Jones&#39; deals to work through. <a href="https://t.co/R5hUZO69fi">https://t.co/R5hUZO69fi</a></p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1173950404939395072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sure-Oz]

Gotta think this changes by the trade deadline. ARZ is stupid to keep PP

[Mecca]

Not sure how much I buy into what he's saying, that's like saying well because Pittsburgh wanted to give up a top 10 pick for Minkah we aren't doing anything.

[bdj23]

Weaksauce

[notorious]

I’ll trust the people in charge.

[carcosa]

FUCK!!!!!!!!!!

[Jerm]

Yes, Jeff Chadiha...the beacon of Chiefs news.

I don't buy it for a second...

[Sassy Squatch]

Neat.

[St. Patty's Fire]

Yeah, this isn’t good.

Patriots are totally cool bringing in AB but we won’t bring in ramsey because our locker room is “too good”...fucking stupid.

Hope it’s BS.

[UChieffyBugger]

I'd rather wait for Rap or Shef to confirm before writing this off tbh.

[Mecca]

Yea that tweet is nowhere to be found on his timeline.

[-King-]

No way they're not interested and especially for that reason. I'd believe if he said that the price would be too high but not because "the locker room is too good right now"

[St. Patty's Fire]

Yea that tweet is nowhere to be found on his timeline.

I just looked now and saw it

[-King-]

I'll wait for Rap or Shef to confirm before writing this iff tbh.

Click tweets and replies, it's there. It is weird how he hasn't tweeted for weeks and then suddenly this.

[Mecca]

He's on 810 this morning, well that's nice ya'll just piss in everyone's cereal to start the day.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Yea that tweet is nowhere to be found on his timeline.

Go to tweets and reply

[arrowheadnation]

Damn....guess I'll actually have to get some work done now. What a Debbie-downer.

[St. Patty's Fire]

Could also be posturing thru the media from Veach trying to get the price down.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Regarding Jalen Ramsey: I think the Chiefs will continue to monitor the CB monitor. However, I would not expect a hard push for Ramsey.<br><br>Ramsey will require a lot of capital via picks and a new deal, and the Chiefs have have Mahomes and Chris Jones&#39; deals to work through. <a href="https://t.co/R5hUZO69fi">https://t.co/R5hUZO69fi</a></p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1173950404939395072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jerm]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Regarding Jalen Ramsey: I think the Chiefs will continue to monitor the CB monitor. However, I would not expect a hard push for Ramsey.<br><br>Ramsey will require a lot of capital via picks and a new deal, and the Chiefs have have Mahomes and Chris Jones&#39; deals to work through. <a href="https://t.co/R5hUZO69fi">https://t.co/R5hUZO69fi</a></p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1173950404939395072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Weird...last night on 610 he made it seem like the Chiefs would be right in it.

[Mecca]

Chadiha is coming up on 810 in studio, that is literally a timed tweet for his appearance.

[St. Patty's Fire]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Regarding Jalen Ramsey: I think the Chiefs will continue to monitor the CB monitor. However, I would not expect a hard push for Ramsey.<br><br>Ramsey will require a lot of capital via picks and a new deal, and the Chiefs have have Mahomes and Chris Jones&#39; deals to work through. <a href="https://t.co/R5hUZO69fi">https://t.co/R5hUZO69fi</a></p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1173950404939395072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

To me, this reads as posturing, but it could be wishful thinking on my part.

[notorious]

Could also be posturing thru the media from Veach trying to get the price down.

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[Mecca]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I will add that Ramsey is an amazing player who is entering his prime. I will be VERY interested to see what the Jags get for him, because the value for a 24-year old Pro Bowl CB SHOULD be two first-round picks, at minimum ... unless there&#39;s concerns about his locker room fit.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1173951335718428672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[notorious]

2 1sts and a huge cap hit. I would only use that on a QB.

Insanity.

[YayMike]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I will add that Ramsey is an amazing player who is entering his prime. I will be VERY interested to see what the Jags get for him, because the value for a 24-year old Pro Bowl CB SHOULD be two first-round picks, at minimum ... unless there&#39;s concerns about his locker room fit.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/1173951335718428672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Wow, Hard pass....

[Sassy Squatch]

Jaguars may have put the info out that the Chiefs were interested with an amazing offer to try to coerce other teams into outbidding.

[notorious]

Of course, 2 Chiefs 1sts is damn near 2 2nds....

[Dante84]

Chadiha is friends with Veach if I remember correctly. Both him and Riddick are tied in.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Jaguars may have put the info out that the Chiefs were interested with an amazing offer to try to coerce other teams into outbidding.

No lol that twitter person made that shit up stop listening to people on twitter without the blue check mark

[Mecca]

Meanwhile Howard in Miami responded to the Fitzpatrick trade like this...

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[Sassy Squatch]

No lol that twitter person made that shit up stop listening to people on twitter without the blue check mark
I've seen plenty of legit insider info from people without a "blue check mark". That might be one of the dumbest things I've ever read.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

I've seen plenty of legit insider info from people without a "blue check mark". That might be one of the dumbest things I've ever read.

Yeah cause that person had 100 followers yup they have real info lol

[The Franchise]

Yeah cause that person had 100 followers yup they have real info lol

Quit acting like you’re some twitter guru just because you know how to copy and paste.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Quit acting like you’re some twitter guru just because you know how to copy and paste.

Not acting lol someone that has a 100 followers is most likely lying

[Dunerdr]

I’m not really buying any of the rumors right now one minute we’re in then we’re out. We have an obvious need an obvious “soft window” with Mahomes on a rookie deal.

[O.city]

As much as I like Ramsey, it just doesn't make sense.

You're talking 2 first rounders and a massive deal. Probably wise to let someone else do that if you're plan is to keep Chris Jones.

[Mecca]

As much as I like Ramsey, it just doesn't make sense.

You're talking 2 first rounders and a massive deal. Probably wise to let someone else do that if you're plan is to keep Chris Jones.

I could make the argument finding a top of the line CB is much harder than finding DL in todays game.

[FAH-Q]

As much as I like Ramsey, it just doesn't make sense.

You're talking 2 first rounders and a massive deal. Probably wise to let someone else do that if you're plan is to keep Chris Jones.

I get the Ramsey deal may not make sense financially, but is there any verification they fully intend on keeping Jones and signing him to a massive deal? If he somehow matches last year's production, that's a huge contract we'd end up giving for another defensive linemen when our overall depth at CB, especially after this year, is almost nonexistent. I almost feel like they intend on franchising Jones and using him as trade bait, sort of like Seattle did with Clark.

[O.city]

I could make the argument finding a top of the line CB is much harder than finding DL in todays game.

Then I'd counter that top of the line Cb isn't as necessary because of the rules of the league and you can't really be that aggressive back there anymore.

So having a DL that can be dominant against the pass always takes precedence

[St. Patty's Fire]

I could make the argument finding a top of the line CB is much harder than finding DL in todays game.

I would also argue that a good Cb is just flat out more valuable than a good Dl

[O.city]

I get the Ramsey deal may not make sense financially, but is there any verification they fully intend on keeping Jones and signing him to a massive deal? If he somehow matches last year's production, that's a huge contract we'd end up giving for another defensive linemen when our overall depth at CB, especially after this year, is almost nonexistent. I almost feel like they intend on franchising Jones and using him as trade bait, sort of like Seattle did with Clark.

If that's what they wanna do, sure.

But Terez seems to insinuate they wanna pay Jones.

[Jerm]

Then I'd counter that top of the line Cb isn't as necessary because of the rules of the league and you can't really be that aggressive back there anymore.

So having a DL that can be dominant against the pass always takes precedence

Not when your main competition to get to a Super Bowl completely and utterly neutralizes your pass rush.

You need a lock down CB to beat New England...period.

[Mecca]

Then I'd counter that top of the line Cb isn't as necessary because of the rules of the league and you can't really be that aggressive back there anymore.

So having a DL that can be dominant against the pass always takes precedence

How dominant can you be when everyone's scheme is to throw the ball in 2 seconds?

Look at how NE is built, there is some argument that building back to front is smarter for today's rules and schemes.

[St. Patty's Fire]

How dominant can you be when everyone's scheme is to throw the ball in 2 seconds?

Look at how NE is built, there is some argument that building back to front is smarter for today's rules and schemes.

Ya NE has like 0 names at all on their DL and are absolutely dominant

[O.city]

Not when your main competition to get to a Super Bowl completely and utterly neutralizes your pass rush.

You need a lock down CB to beat New England...period.

How dominant can you be when everyone's scheme is to throw the ball in 2 seconds?

Look at how NE is built, there is some argument that building back to front is smarter for today's rules and schemes.

It's not one or the other with NE. You build the back end up, they're gonna mash you with the run. Vice versa etc etc.

It'll take a good overall defense everywhere to beat them. Cover and make Brady hold onto it and stop the run.

[O.city]

Look at me being all reserved about trading our picks. I'm proud of myself.

[Mecca]

Basically you need a front that is gap sound and can defend the run. You pay money to the back end and hope that on big plays they can cover long enough to let the pressure get there but for the 80% of the time everyone is throwing in 2 seconds they get the job done because those plays really don't matter to the DL.

I'm coming around to this belief, I'm fine with having 1 guy on the DL that is high end but I think building front to back and the DL hiding the secondary isn't true anymore with how everyone plays.

When teams are shotgun spread and throwing the ball in 2 seconds your DL does not matter.

[Mecca]

It's not one or the other with NE. You build the back end up, they're gonna mash you with the run. Vice versa etc etc.

It'll take a good overall defense everywhere to beat them. Cover and make Brady hold onto it and stop the run.

I can build a front of gap sound solid players that probably cost less than Frank Clark by himself.

[Simply Red]

Gotta think this changes by the trade deadline. ARZ is stupid to keep PP

yip!

[Simply Red]

PP2KC4EVR!

[oldman]

You need a lock down CB to beat New England...period.

So does NE need a lock down CB to beat Kansas City? Face it, NE gets 6 almost sure wins a year. Until that changes, you need to worry about beating the other 30 teams that don't have Brady. Two 1's and a massive contract is too much to pay for Ramsey.

[Jerm]

So does NE need a lock down CB to beat Kansas City? Face it, NE gets 6 almost sure wins a year. Until that changes, you need to worry about beating the other 30 teams that don't have Brady. Two 1's and a massive contract is too much to pay for Ramsey.

They have one in Gilmore....they have an elite secondary.

They've built back to front and keep winning Super Bowls so you tell me....

[Mecca]

So does NE need a lock down CB to beat Kansas City? Face it, NE gets 6 almost sure wins a year. Until that changes, you need to worry about beating the other 30 teams that don't have Brady. Two 1's and a massive contract is too much to pay for Ramsey.

They already got one......

[O.city]

If it were just our single first that would get it done, maybe.

But 2 and a contract? Nah.

[O.city]

They don't have a dominant pass rushing DL, they just have an all around good defense that's built well.

[Mecca]

I'd take Ramsey over Jones if I had to pick, I think I can find another productive DT over finding a high level CB.

In reality I don't think they'll get 2 1's.

I think if we offered a 1 and a conditional 3 for the next year they'd probably do that.

[MahiMike]

As much as Ramsey is a great player, he's Marcus Peters 2.0.

[Mecca]

As much as Ramsey is a great player, he's Marcus Peters 2.0.

That isn't a good comparison, Ramsey is a far better player and he's on a team where the offense is driving him nuts because the defense is carrying that team and nothing changes.

The fact that in that coach argument 2 players jumped up to back the coach off says that isn't all Ramsey.

[FAH-Q]

Our issue is that offering a 1st rounder doesn't provide much in value. This is the case when you are slated to be at or near the bottom of the 1st round. Makes it much more difficult to compete with other teams who have more valuable draft capital, and means we likely have to offer additional picks just to provide equal compensation. Teams like Oakland, for instance, can be major players in the Ramsey sweepstakes because they suck and because they have a lot more capital to play with.

[O.city]

As much as Ramsey is a great player, he's Marcus Peters 2.0.

If the Chiefs had Marcus Peters right now they'd be more likely to beat NE.

[Chris Meck]

Also-
I think y'all are freaking out a little too hard on how great the Patriots are right now. They beat the shittiest Steelers team in decades and walloped a team that is literally purposely tanking.

They're the champs until they're not, and I'm certain they'll be good and I'm sure we're going to have to beat them in the play-offs, but I don't think they're better than we are right now.

[Chris Meck]

If the Chiefs had Marcus Peters right now they'd be more likely to beat NE.

I disagree.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Fuck Veach

[chiefzilla1501]

Chadiha is friends with Veach if I remember correctly. Both him and Riddick are tied in.

Chadiha generally likes the Chiefs. He's one of the better ones on espn. Terez is carefully about saying things. If he says we're in or out as opposed to saying he knows nothing, I'd trust it.

I'm OK with the draft haul we gave up for frank Clark. But I'm generally not a fan of giving up first rounders let alone for a rental.

[Mecca]

Chadiha generally likes the Chiefs. He's one of the better ones on espn. Terez is carefully about saying things. If he says we're in or out as opposed to saying he knows nothing, I'd trust it.

I'm OK with the draft haul we gave up for frank Clark. But I'm generally not a fan of giving up first rounders let alone for a rental.

Personally, I think the smartest thing they could do is make the deal. Sign Ramsey long term, tag and trade Jones to recoup value.

I can replace a DT much easier than finding an elite level CB.

[oldman]

Also-
I think y'all are freaking out a little too hard on how great the Patriots are right now. They beat the shittiest Steelers team in decades and walloped a team that is literally purposely tanking.

They're the champs until they're not, and I'm certain they'll be good and I'm sure we're going to have to beat them in the play-offs, but I don't think they're better than we are right now.

I agree. It wasn't really the passing game that beat us last year, it was the ability to run the ball down our throats. We, with PMII and our WR corps, can hang with the passing game.

[Chris Meck]

Personally, I think the smartest thing they could do is make the deal. Sign Ramsey long term, tag and trade Jones to recoup value.

I can replace a DT much easier than finding an elite level CB.

I could not disagree more.

[O.city]

Personally, I think the smartest thing they could do is make the deal. Sign Ramsey long term, tag and trade Jones to recoup value.

I can replace a DT much easier than finding an elite level CB.

You keep saying this, I don't think it's the case.

You can find an elite DT without a first round pick? Pretty tough, especially a team that hasn't shown it's really able to ID DL in the draft.

[Jerm]

You keep saying this, I don't think it's the case.

You can find an elite DT without a first round pick? Pretty tough, especially a team that hasn't shown it's really able to ID DL in the draft.

Chris Jones went in the 2nd lol....

[O.city]

I agree. It wasn't really the passing game that beat us last year, it was the ability to run the ball down our throats. We, with PMII and our WR corps, can hang with the passing game.

It was both. We couldn't stop them doing either really.

[O.city]

Chris Jones went in the 2nd lol....

Sure.

So did Breeland Speaks, and Kpass, and their most recent 3rd round DL who isn't even active on gameday.....

[Chris Meck]

Chris Jones went in the 2nd lol....

so lightning struck once, and that means it's easy to do?

Why not just draft QB's in the 6th round since that's where Tom Brady went?

That's dumb.

[Mecca]

Oh and we'd have them both right now and frankly I'd sell my nut for a superbowl.

I'm worried about today but going forward a defense built around Frank Clark with other solid lineman and Ramsey on the back end doesn't seem bad.

[Mecca]

so lightning struck once, and that means it's easy to do?

Why not just draft QB's in the 6th round since that's where Tom Brady went?

That's dumb.

There are many more good/productive DTs than there are high level CBs in todays game.

The guy doesn't have to be Chris Jones to be a good player. I'm saying the odds are I can find a good productive DT that does his job than it is I can just pull an elite CB.

[TLO]

Chris Jones went in the 2nd lol....

So did Kris Wilson
And Eddie Freeman
And...

[Mecca]

So did Kris Wilson
And Eddie Freeman
And...

Yes bring up Dick Vermeils drafting.

[Jerm]

so lightning struck once, and that means it's easy to do?

Why not just draft QB's in the 6th round since that's where Tom Brady went?

That's dumb.

Well neglecting the CB and putting a ton of resources into the DL has netted us exactly ZERO SBs or AFC titles so let's keep doing that.....

Smart.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Ramsey's a douchebag. And eff him for that cheap shot on Hill. If the Chiefs don't want him, I'm in full support. Especially if it means giving up two first round picks. Screw that bullshit.

Personally, I think we'll be pretty solid with Claiborne/Breeland/Fuller.

[Chris Meck]

It was both. We couldn't stop them doing either really.

This.

To beat the Patriots, you must have a good scheme, and you must play disciplined assignment sound football.

You can't have freelancers, and you can't have guys running around not knowing what they're doing.

We had both last year, and that's why we got beat. Actually, even with all of that, and the Berry nonsense, we still were four inches from beating them.

Honey Badger>Hobo Berry.
Clark, Ogbah, Okafor>Ford and Houston in terms of being complete players. Breeland, Fuller, Claiborne, Thornhill>than last season's secondary too.
Wilson, Hitchens, Lee> Ragland, Hitchens.
Spags and this staff> better than Grandpa Sutton and the mild bunch.

I think we'll be markedly better by late in the season defensively, and I think we're better offensively.

[Mecca]

I think the defense is better, I think Breeland has a fighting chance with Gordon but the issue is, if we end up with Ward trying to cover AB we are going to get butt raped as they throw that shit over and over.

[Chris Meck]

Well neglecting the CB and putting a ton of resources into the DL has netted us exactly ZERO SBs or AFC titles so let's keep doing that.....

Smart.

That's not why we got zero titles. We got zero titles because for decades we tried to re-tread other team's cast-off Quarterbacks.
We were four inches from the Super Bowl with a first year Mahomes.

I don't think we need to panic.

[Chris Meck]

I think the defense is better, I think Breeland has a fighting chance with Gordon but the issue is, if we end up with Ward trying to cover AB we are going to get butt raped as they throw that shit over and over.

I don't think anyone's going to spend 4 quarters playing man coverage on anyone.

Bob Sutton is gone, y'all.

[Mecca]

I don't think anyone's going to spend 4 quarters playing man coverage on anyone.

Bob Sutton is gone, y'all.

No that won't happen but Edelman and AB is a really shitty matchup unless you have 3 CBs that will at least battle.

[RunKC]

Some of you guys need to wake up. Ramsey just pissed our entire team off a week ago by being a blatant dipshit and took out Tyreek for over a month on a cheap shot. Nobody in this locker room wants that here. Ramsey is a selfish POS who isn’t as good as people make him out to be because he gets lazy.

“But Tom Brady and duh Patzzzzz!”

And? Did you all forget that Brady is 42, sold his house and his contract is voided after this year? Even Adam Schefter thinks this could be it for him.

We don’t need to use our 1st rd picks on guys that are about to get insane money. How about we try either drafting some players or use them on low priced talent like Minkah Fitzpatrick that dumb teams want to get rid of?

Tom Brady is almost done and this conference will be Mahomes every season.

Trading 1st rd picks for high priced guys is not a good idea. It will hurt our future badly.The Seattle Seahawks should have taught you that.

[Mecca]

Some of you guys need to wake up. Ramsey just pissed our entire team off a week ago by being a blatant dipshit and took out Tyreek for over a month on a cheap shot. Nobody in this locker room wants that here. Ramsey is a selfish POS who isn’t as good as people make him out to be because he gets lazy.

“But Tom Brady and duh Patzzzzz!”

And? Did you all forget that Brady is 42, sold his house and his contract is voided after this year? Even Adam Schefter thinks this could be it for him.

We don’t need to use our 1st rd picks on guys that are about to get insane money. How about we try either drafting some players or use them on low priced talent like Minkah Fitzpatrick that dumb teams want to get rid of?

Tom Brady is almost done and this conference will be Mahomes every season.

Trading 1st rd picks for high priced guys is not a good idea. The Seattle Seahawks should have taught you that.

Yes, I don't want to be a team that has made the playoffs 9 out of 10 years, went to 2 bowls and won 1, and probably should have 2 if they wouldn't have done something stupid.

Right now I'd give anything for 1 god damn bowl.

[Chris Meck]

No that won't happen but Edelman and AB is a really shitty matchup unless you have 3 CBs that will at least battle.

I'm not certain that we already won't.

Plus, Mathieu and Thornhill.

We haven't seen Claiborne yet, but Breeland and Fuller aren't shitty.

And we haven't seen the full scheme implemented I don't think. We've got 12 more games to go before we see the Patriots.

I think a smart GM is always looking to improve his team, but I think the general panic is unwarranted.

[The Franchise]

Some of you guys need to wake up. Ramsey just pissed our entire team off a week ago by being a blatant dipshit and took out Tyreek for over a month on a cheap shot. Nobody in this locker room wants that here. Ramsey is a selfish POS who isn’t as good as people make him out to be because he gets lazy.

“But Tom Brady and duh Patzzzzz!”

And? Did you all forget that Brady is 42, sold his house and his contract is voided after this year? Even Adam Schefter thinks this could be it for him.

We don’t need to use our 1st rd picks on guys that are about to get insane money. How about we try either drafting some players or use them on low priced talent like Minkah Fitzpatrick that dumb teams want to get rid of?

Tom Brady is almost done and this conference will be Mahomes every season.

Trading 1st rd picks for high priced guys is not a good idea. It will hurt our future badly.The Seattle Seahawks should have taught you that.

Weren’t you just whining and crying when the Pats signed AB?

[jjchieffan]

I tend to agree. But not for the reasons listed. The price will be too high for Ramsey. There is no way that we get him for just our first. Anything more is too much.

[Dunerdr]

Why do people keep saying he hurt Tyreek? The play was clean thepush when bill got up was shit but he didn’t cheap shit hill into an injury.

[dj56dt58]

good, it would be stupid to trade any high picks for a 1 year rental. We dont have the money to resign him and he is a fucking nutcase that would just cause problems aka Peters

[Chris Meck]

Yes, I don't want to be a team that has made the playoffs 9 out of 10 years, went to 2 bowls and won 1, and probably should have 2 if they wouldn't have done something stupid.

Right now I'd give anything for 1 god damn bowl.

I understand. I want it too. i just don't want to fuck up the next 3 when it may not be necessary.

[O.city]

Yeah, I don't really think it's the problem it's made to be. The Chiefs will be drafting 29-32 for the foreseeable future. You aren't getting blue chippers there. Hell, usually there are at most what, 20 first rounders in a draft?

So yeah, financially it will make things a little different but it's probably gonna be the norm for a while.

[Mecca]

good, it would be stupid to trade any high picks for a 1 year rental. We dont have the money to resign him and he is a fucking nutcase that would just cause problems aka Peters

He'd be a 2 year rental actually, next year is his 5th year option.

[O.city]

It doesn't really hurt you that much going forward as long as you hit on some 2nd rounders and such.

It's not a death blow either way.

Belicheck has done shit like this for a while. Just keep moving forward.

[O.city]

He'd be a 2 year rental actually, next year is his 5th year option.

If you could do the 2, tag him a year then tag and trade him I might do it.

But you probably aren't gonna wanna mess with the attitude and problems that would bring.

[ljmhawk]

Why do people keep saying he hurt Tyreek? The play was clean thepush when bill got up was shit but he didn’t cheap shit hill into an injury.

because people are dumb. the tackle he made was clean. tyreek just landed on his shoulder wrong. by their logic then Chris Jones is dirty because he hurt Foles.

[Chief Northman]

Each time the Chiefs have played Ramsey, he got roasted.

Do not want. Overrated, malcontent head case.

Go get Howard instead.

[RunKC]

Weren’t you just whining and crying when the Pats signed AB?

They didn’t give multiple 1st rd picks for him.

[Chris Meck]

He'd be a 2 year rental actually, next year is his 5th year option.

I'm on record not wanting to take him.

that being said, IF they did, I'd prefer it on a rental, where you try to flip him back for that first or second after the season.

No way I want him here long term.

I think he's an asshole; the kind of asshole that fucks up your team chemistry.

Don't bother arguing with me on that point, just disagree and move on.

[Mecca]

Each time the Chiefs have played Ramsey, he got roasted.

Do not want. Overrated, malcontent head case.

Go get Howard instead.

Because he got roasted by the best QB in the game with our super speed offense does not mean he sucks.

Dude literally just beat Hopkins ass for a game.

[O.city]

Ramsey isn't overrated.

He's legit the best CB in football right now.

[The Franchise]

They didn’t give multiple 1st rd picks for him.

That’s not what I’m referring to.

When the Pats signed AB you were whining and crying that the Chiefs couldn’t beat them now and everyone should be worried.

Now your argument is that Brady is 42 and the AFC is about to be ours.

Pick a fucking stance.

[Jerm]

They didn’t give multiple 1st rd picks for him.

Who cares....draft picks are just that....DRAFT PICKS.

It's a lottery.

Give me the sure thing over draft picks every day of the week....

[Chris Meck]

because people are dumb. the tackle he made was clean. tyreek just landed on his shoulder wrong. by their logic then Chris Jones is dirty because he hurt Foles.

The tackle was clean, Tyreek came up hurt. It's the shove afterwards that doesn't sit well with me. Punk move. It's what Ramsey does when he gets beat, and I've seen him pull that shit a few times when we've played him.

[O.city]

He held Hopkins to 5 catches for 40 yards.

He's a monster, dude is just a badass CB.

But theres a lot of other stuff to deal with.

[O.city]

The Chiefs need a little asshole on defense. That's why they brought in Frank Clark. That's what the HOney Badger is for.

[Mecca]

I'd do it but I want to win badly.

[The Franchise]

He held Hopkins to 5 catches for 40 yards.

He's a monster, dude is just a badass CB.

But theres a lot of other stuff to deal with.

And that’s why I think the Jags won’t get full value for him. Look at how Peters acted and what we got for him.

[RunKC]

That’s not what I’m referring to.

When the Pats signed AB you were whining and crying that the Chiefs couldn’t beat them now and everyone should be worried.

Now your argument is that Brady is 42 and the AFC is about to be ours.

Pick a ****ing stance.

I wanted Minkah Fitzpatrick bc he’s on a rookie deal for the next 4 seasons.

There’s a difference between wanting to do something and going full retard and giving up tons of picks for an asshole that will want $20 million a year, which forces you to lose Chris Jones.

[Chris Meck]

Ramsey isn't overrated.

He's legit the best CB in football right now.

This is probably true.

If you're a man defense and feel like you can handle his bullshit, then you should make the move.

We're going to play a lot of zone. We have an excellent locker room right now.

He's an asshole. He only wants to play for a team that lets him play man.

I'd rather not.

[chiefforlife]

Chiefs put out a message they are NOT interested after Ramsey asks for a trade. Stating the locker room is to good right now.

Did the Chiefs learn from the Peters trade? This is how you bring the asking price down for a pro bowl CB entering his prime.

We all thought Peters would bring at least a first round but look what happened. This feels very similar to me. I think the Chiefs are trying to position themselves to be the Rams in this deal. If the Jags get to the point (may already be there) that they want him gone, they will have to settle for what they can get.

Veach playing chess.

[Chris Meck]

The Chiefs need a little asshole on defense. That's why they brought in Frank Clark. That's what the HOney Badger is for.

different kind of asshole.

[O.city]

Get on the horn with his agent thru a burner phone and tell him to have Ramsey just go thermonuclear.

Offer them a 2nd.

Profit.

[O.city]

different kind of asshole.

Frank Clark is the same kind of dude. He's just a DE and a badass so he backs it up physically.

Jalen is your typical mouthy corner. He can back it up though. Dude is really good. That should be separated from his antics.

As a player, he's legit built in a lab to play CB.

[tredadda]

Yes, I don't want to be a team that has made the playoffs 9 out of 10 years, went to 2 bowls and won 1, and probably should have 2 if they wouldn't have done something stupid.

Right now I'd give anything for 1 god damn bowl.

What we don’t want at the same time is the 2014-2015 Royals. They drained their resources to get a title and are now years from competing again. This team is built to win long term if they are smart and don’t drop tons of picks on mercenaries.

[Rain Man]

Get on the horn with his agent thru a burner phone and tell him to have Ramsey just go thermonuclear.

Offer them a 2nd.

Profit.

Don't give up a second. Just tell him to get himself cut

But nah. He'll have a negative impact as a total person on the team. Let's roll with our current posse.

[O.city]

Flags fly forever.

[tredadda]

This is probably true.

If you're a man defense and feel like you can handle his bullshit, then you should make the move.

We're going to play a lot of zone. We have an excellent locker room right now.

He's an asshole. He only wants to play for a team that lets him play man.

I'd rather not.

I do believe winning will temper a lot of his bad personality traits. He seemed fine until last year when Bortles turned into hot garbage and destroyed their season.

[ljmhawk]

The tackle was clean, Tyreek came up hurt. It's the shove afterwards that doesn't sit well with me. Punk move. It's what Ramsey does when he gets beat, and I've seen him pull that shit a few times when we've played him.

the shove had nothing to do with him getting hurt. players shove other players all the time after the play is over, get over it. he is he best CB out there and anyone who wouldn’t want him on the defense is dumb. all you guys want is someone cheap.

[tredadda]

Flags fly forever.

Much rather they fly multiple flags versus one flag because they went all in for one title.

[O.city]

Much rather they fly multiple flags versus one flag because they went all in for one title.

The last one they have flying is from what, 1962?

I think we need to focus on winning one before we start discussing hanging multiple SB banners.

[RunKC]

Yes, I don't want to be a team that has made the playoffs 9 out of 10 years, went to 2 bowls and won 1, and probably should have 2 if they wouldn't have done something stupid.

Right now I'd give anything for 1 god damn bowl.

They won their Super Bowl bc of who they drafted. Them not having 1st rd picks for 3 years set them back badly and they are just now starting to recover.

[O.city]

They won their Super Bow bc of who they drafted. Them not having 1st rd picks for 3 years set them back badly and they are just now starting to recover.

Once they had that draft and were in the window, they went all it.

Got to 2, won 1.

If the Chiefs do that then have to have a year or two reset, well, I think we can all handle that.

[Chris Meck]

the shove had nothing to do with him getting hurt. players shove other players all the time after the play is over, get over it. he is he best CB out there and anyone who wouldn’t want him on the defense is dumb. all you guys want is someone cheap.

did you actually read my post before you quoted it?

I know the shove didn't injure Tyreek.

but the shove, and they running half-way across the field to hit Watkins, and the bullshit with his coach, and the getting suspended for his temper tantrum with the press, and the getting ejected for his fight with Green, and the fact that he's a fucking asshole all give me pause.

Call me crazy. Maybe we should just see if the Rams want to send us Peters back.

Nah man. I'd rather not.

[ljmhawk]

did you actually read my post before you quoted it?

I know the shove didn't injure Tyreek.

but the shove, and they running half-way across the field to hit Watkins, and the bullshit with his coach, and the getting suspended for his temper tantrum with the press, and the getting ejected for his fight with Green, and the fact that he's a ****ing asshole all give me pause.

Call me crazy. Maybe we should just see if the Rams want to send us Peters back.

Nah man. I'd rather not.

so he isn’t afraid to back up his teammates? he tells the media like it is. he’s frustrated because his team sucks. pass rushing Brady won’t work if you can’t cover. a great secondary is better than a great DL. sacks and pressure will always be there if you can cover

[Chris Meck]

so he isn’t afraid to back up his teammates? he tells the media like it is. he’s frustrated because his team sucks. pass rushing Brady won’t work if you can’t cover. a great secondary is better than a great DL. sacks and pressure will always be there if you can cover

That's how you see it. I disagree.

[Chris Meck]

I'm done talking about Ramsey. If he becomes a Chief, so be it. I've made my opinion known, I'm not talking any of you out of it, and you're not going to change my mind.

He could change my mind, if he turns into a good citizen. i doubt it though. That kind of behavior generally escalates ala Marcus Peters, and then you've got a player climbing into the stands to fight a spectator. whatever.

[RunKC]

Once they had that draft and were in the window, they went all it.

Got to 2, won 1.

If the Chiefs do that then have to have a year or two reset, well, I think we can all handle that.

Luck is done, Big Ben and the Steelers are done, Baker looks completely overrated.

When Brady is done in a year or two, who is left? Lamar Jackson?

[staylor26]

Luck is done, Big Ben and the Steelers are done, Baker looks completely overrated.

When Brady is done in a year or two, whonis left? Lamar Jackson?

You don’t say? :D

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

If the Chiefs had Marcus Peters right now they'd be more likely to beat NE.

Yep, he was so awesome for the Rams last year and in the Superbowl...:eek:

[ModSocks]

I'm done talking about Ramsey. If he becomes a Chief, so be it. I've made my opinion known, I'm not talking any of you out of it, and you're not going to change my mind.

He could change my mind, if he turns into a good citizen. i doubt it though. That kind of behavior generally escalates ala Marcus Peters, and then you've got a player climbing into the stands to fight a spectator. whatever.

I dont know what bad behavior you're talking about. He talks some shit.

That's it. And he's clearly got a problem with Marrone. Losing does that to players.

If you watch the video of the Ramsey/Marrone confrontation, the HC was the agitator.

[chiefzilla1501]

so he isn’t afraid to back up his teammates? he tells the media like it is. he’s frustrated because his team sucks. pass rushing Brady won’t work if you can’t cover. a great secondary is better than a great DL. sacks and pressure will always be there if you can cover

I usually don't care too much about character. But Ramsey is a distraction. I used to be interested. But I have to agree that this is the closest locker room I've seen in a long time and I don't want to be disrupt that. Jalen my be good, but he is a big reason the jags defense is so cocky they play unfocused. Stupid penalties, petty taunting, focus on money money money. Not to mention Ramseys antics will put a bullseye on mahomes' back. I wouldn't despise the move, but for the pick and the huge $, I'm perfectly fine passing.

[MIAdragon]

Much rather they fly multiple flags versus one flag because they went all in for one title.

How many do we have again? The whole chickens hatch deal.

[O.city]

Yep, he was so awesome for the Rams last year and in the Superbowl...:eek:

Well, first it was in the SuperBowl and they held the Pats to 13 points.

If the Chiefs could do that, we'd all be pretty happy i'd think

[Setsuna]

It's fine. You got all the "get off my lawn" posters on here thinking Ramsey is a locker room problem when that has never been reported by anyone ever since he got into the league. He's just outspoken so that obviously equals "ThiS GUy Is A cAnceR tO Any teAM"

Basically this...
https://media.giphy.com/media/iETzS2LkivZrq/giphy.gif

Yall are pathetic.

[smithandrew051]

It's fine. You got all the "get off my lawn" posters on here thinking Ramsey is a locker room problem when that has never been reported by anyone ever since he got into the league. He's just outspoken so that obviously equals "ThiS GUy Is A cAnceR tO Any teAM"

Basically this...
https://media.giphy.com/media/iETzS2LkivZrq/giphy.gif

Yall are pathetic.

I agree. If he’s such a cancer, then no one here should care if he goes to the Patriots, right? Just like how no one wanted AB, but then got pissed when he signed with New England.

If you pass on him, you have to be okay with him going to New England.

[TimBone]

Of course, 2 Chiefs 1sts is damn near 2 2nds....Doesn't matter. You cant keep trading away first round picks. At some point, you rely on those picks and their low salaries to be the base of your team.

For every first round pick you trade, you're basically going out into free agency (or whoever you traded the pick for) to replace the player you would have taken with that pick. The cost of the player in the trade/free agency is going to cost much more than the draft pick would have.

Basically, if you keep trading away picks for expensive veterans, its gonna put you in cap hell.

[O.city]

I kinda wonder if the Chiefs let this out to drive down the price a bit? Maybe?

[Mecca]

Like was mentioned before Terez acts weird as fuck when he knows stuff, he completely downplayed the Thomas stuff last year.

[St. Patty's Fire]

I kinda wonder if the Chiefs let this out to drive down the price a bit? Maybe?Ya that’s the exact thought I had earlier in this thread

[O.city]

Like was mentioned before Terez acts weird as **** when he knows stuff, he completely downplayed the Thomas stuff last year.

Did he act weird today or about this?

[Mecca]

Did he act weird today or about this?

He did it very much the same way he did the Thomas stuff. Acting like there's very little chance it happens.

[HemiEd]

As much as Ramsey is a great player, he's Marcus Peters 2.0.

That is how I see it, thus the locker room reference

[Bob Dole]

It's fine. You got all the "get off my lawn" posters on here thinking Ramsey is a locker room problem when that has never been reported by anyone ever since he got into the league. He's just outspoken so that obviously equals "ThiS GUy Is A cAnceR tO Any teAM"

Basically this...
https://media.giphy.com/media/iETzS2LkivZrq/giphy.gif

Yall are pathetic.

Locke room problem? Guy is a problem before he even gets back to the locker room.

[HemiEd]

The last one they have flying is from what, 1962?

I think we need to focus on winning one before we start discussing hanging multiple SB banners.

:LOL:LMAO

[Hydrae]

That's not why we got zero titles. We got zero titles because for decades we tried to re-tread other team's 49ers cast-off Quarterbacks.
We were four inches from the Super Bowl with a first year Mahomes.

I don't think we need to panic.

Clarified it for you. :D

[Hydrae]

Luck is done, Big Ben and the Steelers are done, Baker looks completely overrated.

When Brady is done in a year or two, who is left? Lamar Jackson?

Watson? :shrug:

Who gets Lawrence in a 2021?

[Kman34]

Locke room problem? Guy is a problem before he even gets back to the locker room.

Yeah I agree somewhat, but.. Winning trends to help with attitudes...

[RealSNR]

Jalen Ramsey is gay.

NTTIAWWT

[scho63]

So who is the CB Du Jour we are trading for?

[Simply Red]

The Chiefs need a little asshole on defense. That's why they brought in Frank Clark. That's what the HOney Badger is for.

HB isn't an asshole nor a prick - he just plays hard and works.

[T-post Tom]

HB isn't an asshole nor a prick - he just plays hard and works.

True... but then again, HB don't give a shite....

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[JakeF]

The Chiefs need a little asshole on defense. That's why they brought in Frank Clark. That's what the HOney Badger is for.
vontaze Burfict would have brought that to our defense. He signed a 1-year deal for 5 million.

[T-post Tom]

vontaze Burfict would have brought that to our defense. He signed a 1-year deal for 5 million.

No thank you. Suspended 10 games in last 3 seasons. Missed 20 games in last 3 seasons.