Cali Gov signs SB 206 for college athletes

[Chief Roundup]

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California Gov. Gavin Newsom signed the Fair Pay to Play Act (SB 206) into law on Monday. Beginning in 2023, it will allow collegiate athletes in the state of California to seek endorsement money outside their respective universities without losing amateur status.

It has already become a divisive topic, with the NCAA, Pac-12 Conference and several California institutions publicly expressing their dissent to the law. Conversely, several high-profile athletes have praised the move while blasting the NCAA for its long-held — and oft-criticized — amateur model.

Those athletes include San Francisco 49ers cornerback Richard Sherman, Golden State Warriors forward Draymond Green and Los Angeles Lakers forward LeBron James, among others.

Here are some of the reactions from current and former athletes on the new California law:

Richard Sherman: "I hope it destroys the NCAA"

Sherman, who has been outspoken in his criticism of the NCAA, pulled no punches on the potential implications of SB 206. From the San Jose Mercury News:

"I hope it destroys the NCAA because I think it’s corrupt and it’s a bunch of people taking advantage of kids and doing it under a mask of fair play.

"It's going to cripple the NCAA in a way where they start to bend, make it more fair and more of a symbiotic relationship between players and the NCAA, or it's going to destroy them in general and start a whole new way of college athletics in general, and I can respect that, too."

Draymond Green: "Someone needs to force this dictatorship to change"

Green was quick to thank Gov. Newsom for passing the bill, saying in a tweet it would protect athletes and bring more equality to a multi-billion dollar industry.

Green also addressed SB 206 at the Warriors' media day on Monday, calling the NCAA a dictatorship that needed to be forced to change its model.

"That’s exciting. We spent so much time in college broke, with no money. Yet everybody else was living very well, universities making a ton of money off your likeness. It is the most bankrupt model. ...

"It’s backwards. Someone needs to force this dictatorship to change. Because that’s exactly what it is. It’s no different than any country that’s ran by dictators. The NCAA is a dictatorship."

LeBron James: SB 206 will "change the lives for countless athletes"

James actually hosted Gov. Newsom on "The Shop: Uninterrupted" as the latter signed SB 206 into law, saying the platform was created for moments such as these.

You can see James' and Newsom's full discussion on the bill below:

Ed O'Bannon: "These AD's and league commissioners are hilarious to me"

O'Bannon, the lead plaintiff in the class-action lawsuit O'Bannon v. NCAA, reacted more to administrator and league responses to SB 206 than the law itself.

The former UCLA Bruins star, of course, is referring to the NCAA and Pac-12, among others, issuing statements after SB 206 was signed into law.
Reggie Miller: "Everyone should have a hand in the cookie jar"

Miller, a former star at UCLA and 18-year NBA veteran, said SB 206 would remove the "the power, manipulation these universities, athletic directors, coaches have had."

[Chief Roundup]

I am surprised that no one has something to say.
It is something that these college players will now be able to earn money from endorsement deals. I think this will have wide sweeping affects on the NCAA as we know it.

[Red Dawg]

It is pretty rediculous that they can't make money off their own name. Nobody should be allowed to limit that. They sell jerseys, put them in hype commercials and the athletes get what? Some education money? Hardly a fair trade.

[Direckshun]

Well overdue.

They're going to get sued, and with the corporate favoritism the courts generally have, I don't know if they'll win.

But if they do, we all know what will happen. All the best players will go to California, they'll smash everyone on the field, and every college program in America will have to adapt or die.

[TribalElder]

NCAA will probably disqualify any athletes who accept payments

rendering california law useless again

[BWillie]

It shouldn't be about whether you believe student athletes should be able to make money off of their name or not. Personally, I believe you should be able to make money off of your own likeness.

BUT - a private organization should have the ability to have their own rules & guidelines. YOU do not have to like it. The bottom line is high school students have a choice to go to school and ACCEPT the offer - which is room, board, free travel, free publicity etc. There is no trick. There is no bait and switch. It is known the benefits you will receive. You can either choose to accept that or do not go play for an NCAA school. If you go and break the rules, you should be punished according to NCAA guidelines.

The real injustice out there isn't on the NCAA. It's on the NBA and NFL for making discriminatory laws that disallow you to work for them until you are of a certain age. I have no clue how any law can exist that allows employment age discrimination after someone is 18 years old. Imagine if there was a law that said you can't work here if you are over 50? It's total bullshit.

People act like NCAA is the villain. Do you know all the good they do for 99% of the other student athletes there are? Think about what the NCAA is, it's not only in football and basketball. 98% of all NCAA athletes are OVERCOMPENSATED if anything, yet we focus on the 1% such as Zion Williamson who the NCAA doesn't even want in their system to begin with. They are forced to take on these kids due to NBA's discriminatory rule to make their league into a free cost minor league system for the NBA.

Do not kid yourself, the 98% of member NCAA institutions do not want one-and-done kids but the NBA rule forces it upon the league. The NCAA really has very little power to be able to police and enforce their rules because they do not have subpoena power. They are routinely stonewalled by players families, third parties, schools, and sometimes even local authorities. That is why the NCAA was finally happy to be able to get FBI assistance for wiretaps to be able to finally get evidence to punish schools they knew, but otherwise couldn't prove, were breaking the rules.

Cheating will always go on, but the implementation of discriminatory age restricting rules of the NBA and NFL are the majority of the problem.

California can do whatever they want. It's just going to mean the the NCAA will make those schools permanently ineligible or even removed from the NCAA to begin with. California is free to make their own college league where they allow players to get paid, by all means do that but they shouldn't result to bullying the NCAA because they don't like the rules of their private organization.

[BossChief]

Good luck to anybody but California colleges on recruiting

[kcxiv]

well. Florida and Minnesota have bills that are about too pass as well. Soon, most states will have the same bill. This is going to get interesting. NCAA is going to have to kick out half of the damn teams. lol

[Valiant]

Simple. You make money you receive zero athletic scholarship. The other conference's and NCAA won't allow the unfair rule to stand. It will literally create another tier of schools. Also, men's basketball and football will get 98 percent of the money. Do other sports and and especially women's sports sue for equal endorsements?

Now, if all the money is saved until graduation then go for it.

Those NBA players are not whining about high schoolers jumping to the pros.

[Chief Pagan]

I don't understand either how the NBA can get away with discriminating against 18 year olds.

The NCAA is a cartel that makes over a billion a year. It is a business that makes a lot of money from athletes attending public schools. I have no problem with regulating it.

[ChiefsFanatic]

This has nothing to do with pay for play. Period. So the NCAA should f*** off. This is about players making money BECAUSE they play sports.

Why should a KU player not be able to get paid to make a Hy-Vee commercial? The player is a local celebrity because he plays basketball or football, and the pay is for doing a commercial for groceries, and the job they are performing is called acting.

Why should the NCAA get to completely own all monetization associated with a player simply because a member school gave him a scholarship? The NCAA makes billions of dollars through various television deals, but a kid shouldn't be able to receive money from acting in a commercial because that kid plays college sports?

The NCAA is one of the most corrupt, disgusting organizations ever created. I agree with Richard Sherman, and I hope that the NCAA is eventually destroyed. They take advantage of, and exploit kids for their own gain, and care absolutely ZERO about the "student athletes" because the NCAA does not see them as student athletes, they see them as dollar signs.

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[Buehler445]

IMO, the more of the pay that's above board, the less corruption, tax fraud, whatever other shenanigans are going on.

It's going to happen whether it's legal or not. Legalize it, regulate it, tax it, and let's conduct some fucking business.

[Bump]

banning people from making money when they could is a disgrace. Especially while they are making millions/billions for other people and have a coach making $5 mill per year yelling at them constantly. Especially in football since they are sacrificing their bodies and taking concussions, leaving some of them fucked up for life. And especially since the NCAA colludes with pro sports so that they can have a free farm system and the NCAA gets an extra year or two out of the player.

[notorious]

We are talking about the + .1% of the players in football and basketball.

Tiny population, and the schools/areas that will benefit already have huge advantages.

If this brings back NCAA football for PlayStation and XBOX, bring it on.

[-King-]

Simple. You make money you receive zero athletic scholarship. The other conference's and NCAA won't allow the unfair rule to stand. It will literally create another tier of schools. Also, men's basketball and football will get 98 percent of the money. Do other sports and and especially women's sports sue for equal endorsements?

Now, if all the money is saved until graduation then go for it.

Those NBA players are not whining about high schoolers jumping to the pros.
Why should they lose their scholarship for making money?

[Skyy God]

Simple. You make money you receive zero athletic scholarship. The other conference's and NCAA won't allow the unfair rule to stand. It will literally create another tier of schools. Also, men's basketball and football will get 98 percent of the money. Do other sports and and especially women's sports sue for equal endorsements?

Now, if all the money is saved until graduation then go for it.

Those NBA players are not whining about high schoolers jumping to the pros.

Reading comprehension isn’t “you’re” strong suit, eh?

“That bill, which passed the state senate with overwhelming support earlier this month, forbids the state’s public colleges and universities from revoking the eligibility or scholarships of athletes who sign endorsement deals, hire agents, or otherwise make money off of the use of their names and likenesses.”

[Scooter LaCanforno]

"Go West Young ( Insert One of 68 Genders)"

[BWillie]

Why should they lose their scholarship for making money?

Their organization, their rules. Students know the rule coming in. If you don't like the rule, you don't have to come play in the NCAA. Nobody is being forced to do anything.

Don't like it? Fine. Make your own league.

[Mile High Mania]

Why should a KU player not be able to get paid to make a Hy-Vee commercial? The player is a local celebrity because he plays basketball or football, and the pay is for doing a commercial for groceries, and the job they are performing is called acting.

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"Come play for the UCLA... we'v got this, we've got that and oh by the way... one of our boosters own car dealerships, we'll find you a paid spokesperson gig for about $10k a month throughout your stay."

"Oh, you're looking at Stanford vs Notre Dame... great schools, indeed. Tell you what - one of our alumni is a VP at Mega Sporting Goods. We'll see what we can do to get your likeness on a few shirts and maybe you can pitch a few commercial spots, maybe even find something for your sweet mom to do there."

ESPN 30for30 ... Pony Excess - maybe that can come back into play in a major way for California

[displacedinMN]

Hmmm... California wants people to make money...WHY???

So they can tax the shit out of it with their luxury/athlete tax.

It is a ****ing money grab. These athletes do not understand how much money they will lose when the SOCIALIST REBPUBLIC OF CALIFORNIA gets their hooks on it.

Many of these kids have no idea how to handle money. They will then have to hire accountants and business managers that will take more of their money and adding taxable services into the economy. California will rape the money that they do make.
Leaving the kids with almost nothing but their worthless PE degrees.

Good luck kids. Be careful of what you wish for. It may come true.
The law of unintended consequences.

[WhawhaWhat]

Hmmm... California wants people to make money...WHY???

So they can tax the shit out of it with their luxury/athlete tax.

It is a ****ing money grab. These athletes do not understand how much money they will lose when the SOCIALIST REPUBLIC OF CALIFORNIA gets their hooks on it.

Many of these kids have no idea how to handle money. They will then have to hire accountants and business managers that will take more of their money and adding taxable services into the economy. California will rape the money that they do make.
Leaving the kids with almost nothing but their worthless PE degrees.

Good luck kids. Be careful of what you wish for. It may come true.
The law of unintended consequences.

If the 19-year-old NBA players and 18-year-old baseball and hockey players signing pro contracts can handle it, I'm sure college students will figure it out. California will be the first state of many that will eventually sign the same thing into law. Pennsylvania (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fair-pay-to-play-act-pennsylvania-lawmakers-seek-compensation-college-student-athletes-2019-10-01/) is already moving forward with it.

[Mile High Mania]

If the 19-year-old NBA players and 18-year-old baseball and hockey players signing pro contracts can handle it, I'm sure college students will figure it out. California will be the first state of many that will eventually sign the same thing into law. Pennsylvania (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fair-pay-to-play-act-pennsylvania-lawmakers-seek-compensation-college-student-athletes-2019-10-01/) is already moving forward with it.

Saw this morning that Colorado is as well... cheaters.

[Mecca]

Hmmm... California wants people to make money...WHY???

So they can tax the shit out of it with their luxury/athlete tax.

It is a ****ing money grab. These athletes do not understand how much money they will lose when the SOCIALIST REBPUBLIC OF CALIFORNIA gets their hooks on it.

Many of these kids have no idea how to handle money. They will then have to hire accountants and business managers that will take more of their money and adding taxable services into the economy. California will rape the money that they do make.
Leaving the kids with almost nothing but their worthless PE degrees.

Good luck kids. Be careful of what you wish for. It may come true.
The law of unintended consequences.

You know other states are going to do this to right?

New York and South Carolina are going to pass similar things.

[Mecca]

Saw this morning that Colorado is as well... cheaters.

Every state is going to pass it before long....

[-King-]

Their organization, their rules. Students know the rule coming in. If you don't like the rule, you don't have to come play in the NCAA. Nobody is being forced to do anything.

Don't like it? Fine. Make your own league.

Should the kid with a band scholarship lose his if he finds a gig playing music at the mall?

[Lprechaun]

Hopefully this ends the NCAA charade. I think it has huge implications on the NFL more so than any other pro league.
The college football program is basically the minor leagues for the NFL.
There will end up being a huge adjustment to the draft, walk ons, and we may have to see a 2nd team type format for the NFL for evaluations.

[BlackHelicopters]

Membership in the NCAA is totally voluntary.

[KC_Lee]

I believe there is a similar law being drafted in the US House of Reps to address this as well, allowing NCAA athletes to use their name and likeness for profit.

[underEJ]

About time. There is no reason one type of scholarship student should not have control of their own likeness and representation when that doesn't apply to any other type of scholarship. The NCAA is just over the line here and always has been. States do have the right to regulate their own public universities and if the private ones have to follow suit due to recruiting competition, great.

[LoneWolf]

I'm fine with this. I was and still am against any pay for play scheme because I feel that their scholarships cover that, but making money off of your likeness or by endorsements is fine.

[Mosbonian]

I can see the commercial.....

"Hi...Billy Joe Ramrod here...you see me every Saturday afternoon playing for Whipmiwang College flushing the opposing QB out of the pocket. But when I am back in my college dorm and have just finished taking a major dump sometimes that commode just can't handle it. So what do I do to help flush out those annoying toilet pluggers? I reach for my handy dandy heavy duty plunger made by Destroy-All Plungers. So if you have problems with flushing things down the commode...grab you one of these beauty's and flush away. Sold at local retailers...with the special Ramrod insignia emblazoned right on the handle.

And once you get them nasty pluggers flushed down the commode don't forget the unsightly skid marks left on the bowl. Make sure you get you a bottle of Ramrod Skid Mark removers.....spray liberally and flush those skid marks away.

[philfree]

So this about endorsements and not pay for play? I don't see how that's going to help all the "student athletes". Maybe a few stars but all the other "JAGS" probably won't get shit. And then if this screws up the collegiate model how will that affect the JAGS? I'm not sure this will be a good thing for most of the college athletes.

[philfree]

These college athlete's don't realize that the reason the stadium is full of a 100,000 people has a great deal to do with the U or the State on the helmet. They would never draw a crowd that size and get the exposure if it wasn't for the institution they play for.

[Direckshun]

well. Florida and Minnesota have bills that are about too pass as well. Soon, most states will have the same bill. This is going to get interesting. NCAA is going to have to kick out half of the damn teams. lol

Sure, if the NCAA wants to commit suicide, because those teams will form their own league and absorb all the best players.

They're only shot if they want to keep to current scam going is to sue.

I hope they fail.

[Direckshun]

These college athlete's don't realize that the reason the stadium is full of a 100,000 people has a great deal to do with the U or the State on the helmet. They would never draw a crowd that size and get the exposure if it wasn't for the institution they play for.

Yeah, no.

I understand there's no real way to quantify this, but Mizzou's stands are full when they're great. Their stands are spotty at best when they're pathetic.

[Direckshun]

I believe there is a similar law being drafted in the US House of Reps to address this as well, allowing NCAA athletes to use their name and likeness for profit.

It will probably die in the Senate.

[Direckshun]

I'm fine with this. I was and still am against any pay for play scheme because I feel that their scholarships cover that, but making money off of your likeness or by endorsements is fine.

Their scholarships don't really cover that. UConn basketball players were talking about how they were going hungry during their championship season. Only then did the NCAA do anything.

Players are barely compensated, most of the elite ones that bank the most money are given sham educations that do not prepare them for life after college.

[Direckshun]

I can see the commercial.....

"Hi...Billy Joe Ramrod here...you see me every Saturday afternoon playing for Whipmiwang College flushing the opposing QB out of the pocket. But when I am back in my college dorm and have just finished taking a major dump sometimes that commode just can't handle it. So what do I do to help flush out those annoying toilet pluggers? I reach for my handy dandy heavy duty plunger made by Destroy-All Plungers. So if you have problems with flushing things down the commode...grab you one of these beauty's and flush away. Sold at local retailers...with the special Ramrod insignia emblazoned right on the handle.

And once you get them nasty pluggers flushed down the commode don't forget the unsightly skid marks left on the bowl. Make sure you get you a bottle of Ramrod Skid Mark removers.....spray liberally and flush those skid marks away.

Yeah, but if Tua ran that commercial, I guarantee you half the state of Alabama is buying Destroy-All Plungers.

[philfree]

Yeah, no.

I understand there's no real way to quantify this, but Mizzou's stands are full when they're great. Their stands are spotty at best when they're pathetic.

Even when it's spotty that's probably a bigger crowd then they could draw on their own.

[BWillie]

Should the kid with a band scholarship lose his if he finds a gig playing music at the mall?

Depends if the organization wishes to make this against the rules.

Again - our personal beliefs shouldn't come into this. My personal belief is they should be able to make money off of their likeness but the schools shouldn't have to pay anything.

The only problem with that is we shouldn't have the right to tell a private organization such as the NCAA what is against the rules or not. Their idea of a student athlete is different than yours.

Choices are important. Life is all about choices.

[Direckshun]

Even when it's spotty that's probably a bigger crowd then they could draw on their own.

You're not wrong. Which is why the NCAA would still make a ton of money if they just paid their athletes.

The NFL and NBA pay their athletes more money then God, and neither league is hurting to pay their bills.

[Direckshun]

The only problem with that is we shouldn't have the right to tell a private organization such as the NCAA what is against the rules or not.

That's insane.

If you put someone to work, you pay them. That's beyond the NCAA.

[BWillie]

Hopefully this ends the NCAA charade. I think it has huge implications on the NFL more so than any other pro league.
The college football program is basically the minor leagues for the NFL.
There will end up being a huge adjustment to the draft, walk ons, and we may have to see a 2nd team type format for the NFL for evaluations.

It will - and you know what? It will help the bigger schools and make it even more of an unfair advantage.

I'm a fan of a blue blood, so I should actually be in favor of this but I'm an unbiased person so I'm actually able to separate what is in my best interest compared to how I think we should think ideologically. Schools like Duke, UNC, Kansas in bball and Ohio State, Mich, Alabama etc in football have deep pockets of boosters. They have the biggest shoe contracts. These boosters will now be able to pay 400k for a signed baseball if they want which basically will just be an agree to to go to said school.

If you are a mid major or a fan of a bottom tier Power 5 team - this is not going to be good news for you.

[Direckshun]

It will - and you know what? It will help the bigger schools and make it even more of an unfair advantage.

I'm a fan of a blue blood, so I should actually be in favor of this but I'm an unbiased person so I'm actually able to separate what is in my best interest compared to how I think we should think ideologically. Schools like Duke, UNC, Kansas in bball and Ohio State, Mich, Alabama etc in football have deep pockets of boosters. They have the biggest shoe contracts. These boosters will now be able to pay 400k for a signed baseball if they want which basically will just be an agree to to go to said school.

If you are a mid major or a fan of a bottom tier Power 5 team - this is not going to be good news for you.

If you are able to parse your best interest from your ideology, you should be able to parse what's best for a school from what's best for actual humans who put their body on the line.

Edit: That being said, I actually think your argument is fair. I just don't prioritize it the same way. I care about the players first.

[BWillie]

So this about endorsements and not pay for play? I don't see how that's going to help all the "student athletes". Maybe a few stars but all the other "JAGS" probably won't get shit. And then if this screws up the collegiate model how will that affect the JAGS? I'm not sure this will be a good thing for most of the college athletes.

Also true. An offensive lineman won't get shit, but a QB will. Even a shitty QB.

[Direckshun]

Also true. An offensive lineman won't get shit, but a QB will. Even a shitty QB.

Good luck protecting your QB with linemen you didn't pay shit for.

Teams will pay linemen.

[BWillie]

These college athlete's don't realize that the reason the stadium is full of a 100,000 people has a great deal to do with the U or the State on the helmet. They would never draw a crowd that size and get the exposure if it wasn't for the institution they play for.

Agreed. I don't watch college basketball because some 5-star goes there. I watch it because of what the University represents (my home state, my alma mater, my family likes them etc).

This whole notion that oh if it wasn't for Zion Williamson nobody would watch Duke games is bullshit. Now, I'm not saying that isn't a reason to pay them. But the bottom line is the NCAA SHOULD be able to regulate their rules as they see fit. It is a voluntary to be a part of it - or not.

[BWillie]

You're not wrong. Which is why the NCAA would still make a ton of money if they just paid their athletes.

The NFL and NBA pay their athletes more money then God, and neither league is hurting to pay their bills.

Texas football crowds bring in tens of thousands at my places. Many big city high school academies have huge interest & attendance in the basketball program.

Does the school have to pay them too?

The part about this bill that isn't so bad is it is just allowing them to make money off of their likeness. I certainly see that argument way more than MAKING the school pay a student athlete like an employee but I still think it's more of a result of social media bullying than anything. The NCAA should and can make their own rules. I hope if other states wish to ban this type of thing that they run their own league instead of trying to bully the NCAA.

[BWillie]

That's insane.

If you put someone to work, you pay them. That's beyond the NCAA.

They aren't working. It's a voluntary commitment.

[Direckshun]

They aren't working. It's a voluntary commitment.

So is work.

If someone works for you, you pay them.

[Chief Roundup]

Simple. You make money you receive zero athletic scholarship. The other conference's and NCAA won't allow the unfair rule to stand. It will literally create another tier of schools. Also, men's basketball and football will get 98 percent of the money. Do other sports and and especially women's sports sue for equal endorsements?

Now, if all the money is saved until graduation then go for it.

Those NBA players are not whining about high schoolers jumping to the pros.

If those players are making money their scholarships, FAFSA and student loans would have to be adjusted. It could also force them to be seen as a head of household, therefore removing their parents income from the equation. This could also cause a lot of problems in the locker room because of some getting paid and some getting nothing.
There are many ways that this could go bad.

[Direckshun]

Texas football crowds bring in tens of thousands at my places. Many big city high school academies have huge interest & attendance in the basketball program.

Does the school have to pay them too?

The part about this bill that isn't so bad is it is just allowing them to make money off of their likeness. I certainly see that argument way more than MAKING the school pay a student athlete like an employee but I still think it's more of a result of social media bullying than anything. The NCAA should and can make their own rules. I hope if other states wish to ban this type of thing that they run their own league instead of trying to bully the NCAA.

I haven't spent much time thinking about high school football, so I hestitate to weigh in on the matter.

[underEJ]

Also true. An offensive lineman won't get shit, but a QB will. Even a shitty QB.

There are more opportunities to represent yourself than just shoe and soda money. Lots of small towns can and would support their local kids in college as well if it wasn't an ncaa violation. Right now they can't even accept a sandwich from somebody. There is also youtube for athletes who might want to set up a support for rewards type business like many regular students do who aren't beholden to the NCAA athlete eligibility requirements.

[Direckshun]

If those players are making money their scholarships, FAFSA and student loans would have to be adjusted. It could also force them to be seen as a head of household, therefore removing their parents income from the equation. This could also cause a lot of problems in the locker room because of some getting paid and some getting nothing.
There are many ways that this could go bad.

There's tension with that in every workplace. Color me unconcerned.

I'm also not of the opinion that scholarships/loans and such would have to be adjusted. Although I don't think they'd need financial aid anymore in most cases, but they shouldn't be automatically disqualified from it.

[BWillie]

So is work.

If someone works for you, you pay them.

Not necessarily. There are unpaid internships, and they have rules. There are contracts in exchange for things other than money.

Nonetheless, they are getting compensated. They are compensated free room, free board, free travel, free publicity. If they do not think this is a fair deal - they do not have to take the deal in the first place.

It all boils down to choice. If you have a choice in the matter and you aren't tricked once you get to the NCAA school. There should be no issue at hand.

[Chief Roundup]

Yeah, no.

I understand there's no real way to quantify this, but Mizzou's stands are full when they're great. Their stands are spotty at best when they're pathetic.

Yes so it will become a large market vs small market. Meaning places like Missouri, Arkansas, Kansas and many many others will not have the tier of athletes they desire or have had in the past. Will the NCAA force/require a sharing requirement similar to the NFL, NBA, MLB? This will then affect the prices of tuition for all students. Making it harder for teachers/professors to remain gainfully employed as they are currently accustom.
This could have a huge ripple affect that is negative for colleges.

[chiefzilla1501]

They aren't working. It's a voluntary commitment.

Hard to call this voluntary. Its basically a brutal version of an unpaid apprenticeship. Where lots of the overseers are making a llloootttt of money off the apprentices. It is not voluntary because players have to do this to become pro.

I get the value ncaa brings. I also fully back the principle of what they're supposed to be doing. But it's obvious as day that too much of it is corrupt and a lot of rich people are getting filthy rich at the expense of exploited athletes.

[BWillie]

I was was an NCAA Division 2 athlete, I suppose if you consider golfers an athlete. And the Country Club we played at made us work 5 hours a week for them in order to allow our school to use the golf course. I was advised of this requirement before I attended the school.

I had no opportunity to make any money off of my likeness. The same way some back up tight end for some D2 school who gets seven concussions won't have an opportunity to make any money yet he's doing the same amount of work as a D1 tight end at Alabama who is rolling in the dough. So I don't think people will end up seeing that this is 'fair" and will cry foul eventually.

Personally, I don't care if anything in life is fair. But I know this is what social justice people live for. I just care if people have choices and if all the information is present and transparent for all to see.

[underEJ]

Not necessarily. There are unpaid internships, and they have rules. There are contracts in exchange for things other than money.



Not in California. Our working internships must all paid at least minimum wage and if there is a college credit earned by it, there are even more regulations like total hours allowed. for any unpaid internship experience, no commercial work product can be created and they cannot displace paid employees. It is a learning experience only. We don't really even offer those any more. Work must be paid.

[ModSocks]

I havent read anything in the thread yet but i just wanted to say,

ALL YOUR ATHLETES ARE BELONG TO US

[BWillie]

Not in California. Our working internships must all paid at least minimum wage and if there is a college credit earned by it, there are even more regulations like total hours allowed. for any unpaid internship experience, no commercial work product can be created and they cannot displace paid employees. It is a learning experience only. We don't really even offer those any more. Work must be paid.

So, do they pay high school athletes then? Or is paying money to see California high school athletic contests banned? Is it against the law to show high school athletic contents on TV?

Again - the compensation IS room, board, free education, free publicity, free travel. If the student athlete does not think there is value in that - they shouldn't do it. Maybe play video games and try to get on ESPN that way? Do what RJ Hampton did - go play basketball internationally in Australia.

[chiefzilla1501]

I was was an NCAA Division 2 athlete, I suppose if you consider golfers an athlete. And the Country Club we played at made us work 5 hours a week for them in order to allow our school to use the golf course. I was advised of this requirement before I attended the school.

I had no opportunity to make any money off of my likeness. The same way some back up tight end for some D2 school who gets seven concussions won't have an opportunity to make any money yet he's doing the same amount of work as a D1 tight end at Alabama who is rolling in the dough. So I don't think people will end up seeing that this is 'fair" and will cry foul eventually.

Personally, I don't care if anything in life is fair. But I know this is what social justice people live for. I just care if people have choices and if all the information is present and transparent for all to see.

This is not a social justice issue. This is about changing rules everyone knows are idiotic. The current system of everyone cheating followed by selective enforcement is terrible also. At least put activity aboveground. And stop this moral high ground bs with programs pretending they don't break rules. I don't think California's solution is the answer. But it's at least a shot at changing a system everyone knows is horribly broken.

[underEJ]

So, do they pay high school athletes then? Or is paying money to see California high school athletic contests banned? Is it against the law to show high school athletic contents on TV?

Again - the compensation IS room, board, free education, free publicity, free travel. If the student athlete does not think there is value in that - they shouldn't do it. Maybe play video games and try to get on ESPN that way?

This bill isn't about paying athletes salaries. Yes the scholarship and full ride is the compensation. This is about earning money outside of the scholarship trade off and not losing eligibility for having representation.

I can't speak to high school athletics, but I also can't tell you the names of any high school athletes either. I can tell you the names of many UCLA and other public university athletes, but those athletes have no representation in that name recognition.

[Direckshun]

Not necessarily. There are unpaid internships, and they have rules. There are contracts in exchange for things other than money.

I think the internship dynamic needs to be re-done as well. There are too many people interning for no money. So I understand your argument and it's fair, but I disagree with it nonetheless.

Nonetheless, they are getting compensated. They are compensated free room, free board, free travel, free publicity. If they do not think this is a fair deal - they do not have to take the deal in the first place.

I'm sorry, but this is an argument for getting rid of vacation time, and minimum wage, and paid family leave, and bereavement. "Hey workers, if you don't like it, work somewhere else."

The truth of the matter is that shopping for jobs is not like shopping in the supermarket. There are not jobs that perfectly align with your skillset just laying around everywhere, and the NCAA has a monopoly on the industry anyway.

If someone chooses to work for you, you have to compensate them fairly, financially and otherwise. Student athletes in men's basketball and football (and to a much, much lower extent, other sports) should be compensated fairly as well.

[Direckshun]

Yes so it will become a large market vs small market. Meaning places like Missouri, Arkansas, Kansas and many many others will not have the tier of athletes they desire or have had in the past. Will the NCAA force/require a sharing requirement similar to the NFL, NBA, MLB? This will then affect the prices of tuition for all students. Making it harder for teachers/professors to remain gainfully employed as they are currently accustom.
This could have a huge ripple affect that is negative for colleges.

It could have a ripple effect for well-boosted programs and poorly-boosted programs.

Everything else you "predict" here is just a wild guess at a worst case scenario. I'd like to see actual proposals before predicting the apocalypse like you did here.

[Direckshun]

Again - the compensation IS room, board, free education, free publicity, free travel.

I don't care about the "free travel" to places they have to play. Or the free publicity they can't profit from, who cares?

Room, board, fine. That makes sense to me.

But you cannot claim that NCAA schools are offering their male basketball players or football players adequate educations. That's laughable. It's a sham.

[Lprechaun]

The more and more social media entrenched into society these kids are marketable before they even get to college. Not allowing them to make money off their likeness is just asinine.
Those scholarships are as much about making money off the "student" than it is offering a free education.
If colleges were all about the academics there wouldn't be college sports, the NCAA has dug their own grave over the years. The football programs will be the ones changing the most. High school kids can play pro baseball, basketball, golf.... but football just isnt remotely probable.

[chiefzilla1501]

I don't care about the "free travel" to places they have to play. Or the free publicity they can't profit from, who cares?

Room, board, fine. That makes sense to me.

But you cannot claim that NCAA schools are offering their male basketball players or football players adequate educations. That's laughable. It's a sham.

It's basically an unpaid apprenticeship. It's grueling, labor intensive work with shitty benefits, but hey... Free room and board, right? It's one thing if there was an open market where athletes can opt into this arrangement. Quite another when it is a mandatory pre-req to get into a pro league.

[Bill Brasky]

banning people from making money when they could is a disgrace. Especially while they are making millions/billions for other people and have a coach making $5 mill per year yelling at them constantly. Especially in football since they are sacrificing their bodies and taking concussions, leaving some of them fucked up for life. And especially since the NCAA colludes with pro sports so that they can have a free farm system and the NCAA gets an extra year or two out of the player.

I couldn’t agree more. Banning people from using capitalism to make legal money is the most un-American policy I can think of. The NCAA is run by people who are desperate to not lose power.

[philfree]

I don't care about the "free travel" to places they have to play. Or the free publicity they can't profit from, who cares?

Room, board, fine. That makes sense to me.

But you cannot claim that NCAA schools are offering their male basketball players or football players adequate educations. That's laughable. It's a sham.

Because the players don't take advantage of their opportunity. They should because only a small percentage of athletes make it into the pros. And all these guys blowing off that opportunity and then wanting paid while there is a whole bunch of other people saddled with student loan debt.

[BWillie]

It's basically an unpaid apprenticeship. It's grueling, labor intensive work with shitty benefits, but hey... Free room and board, right? It's one thing if there was an open market where athletes can opt into this arrangement. Quite another when it is a mandatory pre-req to get into a pro league.

Free room, board, travel is worth upwards of 100k a year.

[MahiMike]

When will the big one hit California already?

[BlackHelicopters]

Simple solution. Drop membership in the NCAA.

[ClevelandBronco]

Way to go, California. You just solved the student debt problem for a handful of athletes that have no student debt.

Kick. Ass.

[chiefzilla1501]

Free room, board, travel is worth upwards of 100k a year.

That's like saying a company pays 100k per year to an employee because they let you use their facilities and comp things like training and travel. It is not much different from an apprenticeship that refuses to pay for their apprentices. unlike apprentices or a field like medicine, inexperienced athletes make as much if not arguably more for their institutions than pros.

The huge difference is, though, when an unpaid internship offers no money for this type of training, they risk losing that candidate to a paid internship. The ncaa has virtually cornered almost the entire amateur athlete market where athletes have very little choice.

[Setsuna]

Good luck paying ridiculous tax rates on those paychecks college students. Be prepared to still be making nothing. Enjoy it! Also move this to DC. The resident talking heads of the politics board are in full force.

[vailpass]

There is going to be so much abuse around this law. Anyone who thinks the big programs won't turn this into pay-for-play hasn't been paying attention.

[Chief Roundup]

Free room, board, travel is worth upwards of 100k a year.

When it is a requirement for the job it must be provided by the employer.

[Mr. Plow]

Good. Let the kids earn some money.

[LoneWolf]

Their scholarships don't really cover that. UConn basketball players were talking about how they were going hungry during their championship season. Only then did the NCAA do anything.

Players are barely compensated, most of the elite ones that bank the most money are given sham educations that do not prepare them for life after college.

You dumb fuck. The player’s quality of education is on them. They can take whatever classes they choose and major in whatever they want to. If their free education that is worth over $100,000 is a sham, that is their fault. Players are compensated fairly for playing. Free tuition, free room and board, free books, world class training facilities, free food, and free travel. If they choose not to take advantage of that, that is on them.