Chiefs biggest need/weakness?

[ForeverChiefs58]

What do you think is the Chiefs biggest need or weakness?

I hear everyone saying to trade what ever it takes to put this team over the top.

The window is now

But the truth is this team has many needs and weaknesses

CB- Many say the Chiefs are a CB away from stopping the Patriots and a SB title

LB- Great Chiefs defenses were always dominant with great LB play

DL- Getting pressure and stopping the run just seems like a really great idea

OL- Having a great Oline to protect the best QB in football seems like it should be more of a priority

TE- Do the Chiefs know you can have more than 1 on the freaking team????

RB- Chiefs have had some great RB’s through the years. But never with a QB like this. Run game? Who wants to run the ball anymore? Balance is always good.

[Chris Meck]

Offensive line and Defensive line.

[Naptown Chief]

Both lines, head coach, d coordinator, GM.

[Simply Red]

you mean besides everything outside of QB?

[SuperBowl4]

More restrooms at ARROWHEAD

[New World Order]

you mean besides everything outside of QB?

We have one guy holding this entire team together.

[Sassy Squatch]

Interior OL is a must. Mahomes is our only chance, and if he can't stay healthy it's over.

[OKchiefs]

- our linebackers suck
- our cornerbacks suck
- our entire OL is soft and sucks
- our runningbacks suck
- our DTs suck outside of Chris Jones
- our DEs are lead by an overpaid piece of crap

Where is our biggest weakness? Brett Veach. He's one of the worst GMs in all of football.

[GloryDayz]

GM and HC.

/thread

[ForeverChiefs58]

Offensive line and Defensive line.

There are so many positions that need to be fixed.

How would you rank them?

Oline and Dline- so far this seems like biggest issue and need. They say games are won in the trenches. We need better trenches.

CB and LB- But the suck play from the lines doesn’t take away the severity of the need with these groups. They are horrible.

[Frazod]

Biggest need? HEALTH. Fuck. We're a lame 14 point buck in the middle of hunting season right now.

[TEX]

Offensive line and Defensive line.

This.

[lcarus]

They say games are won in the trenches. We need better trenches.

Quoted for truth!

Offensively it's the only thing that we need to be really concerned about. Defensively it's a huge concern as well but we also need CB help really bad. Legend says Bashaud Breeland is still committing defensive holding to this very day.

Heck teams can just chuck deep passes and the chances of completing it or getting a PI is pretty high.

[KC_Lee]

For the first time I am begging the Chiefs to draft fatties left and right.

[ForeverChiefs58]

Of course it was great to get a new defensive coordinator since our defense sucked.

But why can’t we get a defensive coordinator who actually coaches a top defense?

Getting a guy who coaches a crappy team doesn’t make sense

This shitty overhauled defense and switch to a 4-3 actually somehow looks worse than the shitty last place excuse for a defense we had before.

Which seems crazy.

But they let Andrew Luck’s backup who couldn’t complete a pass further than Matt Cassel come into Arrowhead and beat them.

[Mecca]

How about that the Chiefs bring in numerous guys who were good elsewhere and they suck here, organizational problem.

Brett Veach doesn't have a great eye for talent it appears...

[TEX]

Of course it was great to get a new defensive coordinator since our defense sucked.

But why can’t we get a defensive coordinator who actually coaches a top defense?

Getting a guy who coaches a crappy team doesn’t make sense

This shitty overhauled defense and switch to a 4-3 actually somehow looks worse than the shitty last place excuse for a defense we had before.

Which seems crazy.

But they let Andrew Luck’s backup who couldn’t complete a pass further than Matt Cassel come into Arrowhead and beat them.


Brissett did little to beat them. He didn't have to because the Colts running game trounced them

[MahiMike]

Offensive line and Defensive line.

This. They need a big ass in the middle of the DL. Can we get Dontari Poe back? How old is Seymour?

Without fixing the middle of the line, getting Ramsey is a waste of money/picks.

[Luv_pony_express]

But they let Andrew Luck’s backup who couldn’t complete a pass further than Matt Cassel come into Arrowhead and beat them.

If I had to narrow it down to any one player who beat the Chiefs last night (which is, of course, impossible in football), it wasn't Jacoby Brissett. It wasn't even Marlon Mack.

It was Quenton Nelson.

[DiaperBoy27]

The O-Line might not be that bad once it gets healthy. But it was always on thin ice. They were lucky to stay so healthy last year.

There have been a bunch of resources spent on that D-Line (traded a 1st and 2nd, and used THREE 2nd round picks, plus a 3rd), and Hitchens makes a bunch of money. Yet they still can't stop the run. Or get to the QB.

[stumppy]

This game exposed several weaknesses. And by several I mean to many too fix in one season. Oline, RB, Dline, Lb's, CB's. And JFC, do something about ST's. Can't remember when it's been this bad.

[old_geezer]

Our offensive line is hot garbage (and mostly injured hot garbage right now). Unless we do something quickly I don't see Mahomes making it through the season. Defense is just as bad as last year; Spags is not much, if any, improvement over Sutton. Most of these under-achieving defensive players were pretty good elsewhere so I think it's coaching more than the players themselves.

[OKchiefs]

For the first time I am begging the Chiefs to draft fatties left and right.

We have, at least on defense. The problem is they all suck because Veach is a shit GM.

[RunKC]

How about that the Chiefs bring in numerous guys who were good elsewhere and they suck here, organizational problem.

Brett Veach doesn't have a great eye for talent it appears...

You said it in your first sentence. Frank Clark has been very good the last 3 years.

Why does he suck here?

[Why Not?]

you mean besides everything outside of QB?

Honestly this is not that far away from being accurate.

[Why Not?]

GM and HC.

/thread

Kinda this. You’ll get roasted by a lot of CP for criticism of Andy but there’s a reason he’s been the ultimate bridesmaid.

[comochiefsfan]

General Manager.

It’s all rosy right now because we’re winning, but if you look past the superstars that Dorsey acquired, you’ll see that Veach is slowly but surely dismantling this team.

We are going to be in a world of hurt in a couple years if he can’t start hitting on draft picks.

[Luv_pony_express]

Kinda this. You’ll get roasted by a lot of CP for criticism of Andy but there’s a reason he’s been the ultimate bridesmaid.

You guys are lucky to have Andy Reid. He's clearly one of the top 3 or 4 coaches in the game. It's not an accident that he had a job within hours of being let go by the Eagles. And, if the Chiefs hadn't have hired him, it wouldn't have taken him many more hours to find a gig.

I'm actually kind of surprised to learn that he has so many critics among Chiefs fans.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

But they let Andrew Luck’s backup who couldn’t complete a pass further than Matt Cassel come into Arrowhead and beat them.

Eh...no. Brissett threw for 151 yards, 0 TD, and 1 INT. That's not why the Chiefs lost.

[comochiefsfan]

Eh...no. Brissett threw for 151 yards, 0 TD, and 1 INT. That's not why the Chiefs lost.

There is one reason why we lost.

We suck in the trenches. The d-line got mauled all game and the o-line couldn’t protect Mahomes. That’s it, that was the game right there.

[notorious]

You guys are lucky to have Andy Reid. He's clearly one of the top 3 or 4 coaches in the game. It's not an accident that he had a job within hours of being let go by the Eagles. And, if the Chiefs hadn't have hired him, it wouldn't have taken him many more hours to find a gig.

I'm actually kind of surprised to learn that he has so many critics among Chiefs fans.

Andy Reid is the physicist/engineer that can design a spacecraft to intercept the orbit of Pluto yet can’t figure out how to use a microwave.

I love the guy and appreciate what he is, but he has the same warts now that he had his first year coaching in Philly.

[MahiMike]

GM and HC.

/thread

Dayum! Imagine if you were a fan of a shitty team.

[MahiMike]

You guys are lucky to have Andy Reid. He's clearly one of the top 3 or 4 coaches in the game. It's not an accident that he had a job within hours of being let go by the Eagles. And, if the Chiefs hadn't have hired him, it wouldn't have taken him many more hours to find a gig.

I'm actually kind of surprised to learn that he has so many critics among Chiefs fans.

Well said. These guys are spoiled.

[GloryDayz]

Of course it was great to get a new defensive coordinator since our defense sucked.

But why can’t we get a defensive coordinator who actually coaches a top defense?

Getting a guy who coaches a crappy team doesn’t make sense

This shitty overhauled defense and switch to a 4-3 actually somehow looks worse than the shitty last place excuse for a defense we had before.

Which seems crazy.

But they let Andrew Luck’s backup who couldn’t complete a pass further than Matt Cassel come into Arrowhead and beat them.

Hunt/Veech/Reid think defense and "trench warfare" is outdated. That's why.

[FloridaMan88]

Right now it is LB by far and offensive line.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

How about a pass rush??

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> standout DL Chris Jones suffered a groin strain in last night’s game and he’ll have an MRI to determine the severity, source said. Would be a big blow if he’s out any period of time.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1181233391099895810?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Coochie liquor]

OL
LB

[Iczer]

LB please

[Rexx]

The offensive line needs to buckle down as the biggest concern imo. You protect Mahomes at all cost, without him in the lineup this team will go nowhere regardless of the defense shortcomings. Personally, I'm not sure it's a lack of talent, maybe just need a new OL coach or philosophy. I'm also in favor of keeping a TE in block a little more, give these guys some help if needed. Erving is a huge liability!

[The Franchise]

OL, DL and LB.

[GloryDayz]

How about a pass rush??

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> standout DL Chris Jones suffered a groin strain in last night’s game and he’ll have an MRI to determine the severity, source said. Would be a big blow if he’s out any period of time.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1181233391099895810?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Houston is just grinning right now...

[ForeverChiefs58]

Eh...no. Brissett threw for 151 yards, 0 TD, and 1 INT. That's not why the Chiefs lost.

Just as Brissett didn’t win it, Mahomes didn’t lose it either.

But a Brissett lead offense came into Arrowhead and controlled the clock and and the game. And really didn’t make it look too hard for a banged up Indy team.

Remember when QB’s first time playing at Arrowhead always ended in defeat?

[TEX]

Houston is just grinning right now...

They're licking their chops.

[Hammock Parties]

Trade for a LT and immediately improve two positions on the OL.

[Megatron96]

How about a pass rush??

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> standout DL Chris Jones suffered a groin strain in last night’s game and he’ll have an MRI to determine the severity, source said. Would be a big blow if he’s out any period of time.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1181233391099895810?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

We had a pass rush last year. In fact, weren't the Chiefs tied for first or second place in the league for sacks?

Defenses are built from the LoS on back. And ours is leaky. In particular against the run between the tackles. Jones and X. Williams haven't been playing the run well at all. On any down and distance in any situation. Period.

In fact, the only DL we have that's played well against the run consistently has been, wait for it . . . Clark. Runs to his side when he's on the field have averaged 3 or less yards per carry.

On the other side, Okafor has been okay, but has been getting blown up by backside blocks from TEs too much. Ogbah has actually been better against the run than Okafor so far.

At the next level, none of the Chiefs LBs have played well so far. Hitchens in particular not only is not playing well individually, but he's making the wrong calls, causing disagreements with other LBs and putting them in the wrong spots. Now, no one expected this LB group to play like Pro-Bowlers, but I have to think that they're playing below the most conservative expectations.

The secondary has been okay. Not great, with too many penalties, but more concerning are the miscommunications that have resulted in uncovered WRs. Breeland was left hung out to dry on that play in the endzone trying to cover to guys by himself. However, they aren't getting completely beat by anyone so far, and they've had to cover some real speedsters. Tyrann and Thornhill are playing fairly well, again not great, but probably the best pair on the defense to date.

We need the DL to play better and by 'play better,' I mean much more physically, period. It may mean making a trade for an upgrade at interior DL. Or drafting one next year. Or both.

Then we need a real honest-to-God run-crushing middle LB. A Clay Matthews type. Either through a trade or the draft.

If the Chiefs can plug the holes in the middle, then they can put teams into a lot more 3rd and long situations. If they can get to 3rd and long, then they can get pressure on the QB, make him do something he's uncomfortable with, and get off the field. Whether or not they pile up sacks.

[jerryaldini]

You guys are lucky to have Andy Reid. He's clearly one of the top 3 or 4 coaches in the game. It's not an accident that he had a job within hours of being let go by the Eagles. And, if the Chiefs hadn't have hired him, it wouldn't have taken him many more hours to find a gig.

I'm actually kind of surprised to learn that he has so many critics among Chiefs fans.

Mahomes agrees with you. He is learning under the best.

[Jerm]

Toughness...when this team gets punched in the mouth, they don't know how to react.

We've seen it time and time and time again.

[stumppy]

The biggest need?

The ability to protect Mahomes. If we can't do that nothing else matters.

[redshirt32]

Reminds me of a time when Joe Montana said fk it, with this organization.
It all starts in the trenches and protecting the FQB.
Ill eat crow here thought getting Frank Clark was a good deal.
100 mil on the OL would have been the smart move, run /pass all day long with PAT.
I don't see how we fix this if indeed we wasted a shit ton of money on players that will never produce.
You have the MVP and you cant get him an OL worth a crap.
Could be Mahomes and papa say fk this after a bit.

[T-post Tom]

Trade for a LT and immediately improve two positions on the OL.

Yup

[Tribal Warfare]

OL interior,CB,DL,RB

[Warrick]

I wish Spags would have given Ragland more than 5 snaps in this particular game, the Chiefs needed to stop the run and conserve that clock. The Chiefs definitely need to get healthy, and beef up both of their lines otherwise they're going to continue to get pushed around.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I don’t see our D ever being very good until we get some good LB play. But at the same time our DL is ass too. Corners as well. Just a really bad fucking defense.

And THEN you still need OL help. Mahomes was getting hit too much at Jacksonville too when Fisher did play.

[Coogs]

Trade for a LT and immediately improve two positions on the OL.

This. I'd be checking with the Redskins on Trent Williams. Defense sux again. That is a given. To outscore other teams, we have to have an O-line that can give Mahomes time, and create a bit of a run offense for us too.

[RINGLEADER]

Of course it was great to get a new defensive coordinator since our defense sucked.

But why can’t we get a defensive coordinator who actually coaches a top defense?

Getting a guy who coaches a crappy team doesn’t make sense

This shitty overhauled defense and switch to a 4-3 actually somehow looks worse than the shitty last place excuse for a defense we had before.

Which seems crazy.

But they let Andrew Luck’s backup who couldn’t complete a pass further than Matt Cassel come into Arrowhead and beat them.

Andy seems like the type that hires people who can never supplant him. So we get average coordinators or coordinators in name only. Of course I could be wrong...

[FloridaMan88]

Trade for a LT and immediately improve two positions on the OL.

Trent Williams.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Trent Williams doesn’t make sense.

He’s an elite tackle so you aren’t moving him, but Fish isn’t big or strong enough to play guard.

[RunKC]

This team has to trade for a competent stout DT. It would make a world of difference and likely only cost a mid rd pick.

[IUsedToBeATightEnd]

Not much of a chance to improve the defense on the run, unfortunately. We should try to bring the offense back to last year level (or similar).
We need to improve the running game badly, that's basically the difference with last year's offense. We are one dimensional this year and we're paying the price for it.

[Coogs]

Trent Williams doesn’t make sense.

He’s an elite tackle so you aren’t moving him, but Fish isn’t big or strong enough to play guard.

Neither does getting Mahomes killed. Fisher measures in at 6-7, 315. He is big enough.

[cookster50]

LB

[srvy]

Andy seems like the type that hires people who can never supplant him. So we get average coordinators or coordinators in name only. Of course I could be wrong...

I heard it here what wonderful hires we made in Daly and House. Probably a reason they were available. Outside linebackers coach Brit Reid enough said there.

[srvy]

Looking here Brendan Daly's title run game coordinator/ defensive line. Wonder how he likes that boulder on his shoulder?

[Red Dawg]

LB

This and guard. Don't draft fattys and your QB limps around.

[GloryDayz]

They're licking their chops.

I suppose they're doing that too.

[T-post Tom]

This team has to trade for a competent stout DT. It would make a world of difference and likely only cost a mid rd pick.

Eric Bieniemy for Trent Williams. :)

[gold_and_red]

Assuming that the defensive problems are not from coaching and instead from the lack of talent, how many new starters are needed? Everyone except #32 looks like ass. This is going to take 3-4 years to fix.

[srvy]

Assuming that the defensive problems are not from coaching and instead from the lack of talent, how many new starters are needed? Everyone except #32 looks like ass. This is going to take 3-4 years to fix.

#32 has looked pretty much like ass most the year minus a few bright spots.

[JohnnyHammersticks]

Our 5 biggest weaknesses are:

1) Hitchens
2) Hitchens
3) Hitchens
4) O Line
5) D Line

[gold_and_red]

#32 has looked pretty much like ass most the year minus a few bright spots.

So 11 new starters? Welp!

[srvy]

So 11 new starters? Welp!We need to find our guy in the draft and hit on them. I'm tired of other teams once were's.

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[gold_and_red]

Just curious how is the Buffalo defense so good? I can’t seem to name more than a few players. Reid should have had a long conversation with his buddy Sean McDermott on defensive philosophies after firing Sutton.

[Chiefshrink]

Couldn't agree more with all of your opinions as to our needs. Our defense will take much longer to rebuild and our first priority is to protect our franchise player PERIOD

I have never liked our o-line let alone our d-line play since Reid got here. I am surprised after 6yrs with Reid compared to what trench play he had in Philly that we are sooooooooo soft in the trenches. We absolutely have no "blue collar nasty" at all. We can't run the ball when needed and we are eventually going to get Pat put on IR if we don't start rolling him out more which is where he is more dangerous anyhow. I would not have him doing any drop back with this extremely soft interior o-line that is for sure. Bellichek figured this out that o-line is not that talented and is very soft especially the interior.

Spags is realizing he can't even make lemonade with all these lemon D players.:shrug:

[Chiefshrink]

Just curious how is the Buffalo defense so good? I can’t seem to name more than a few players. Reid should have had a long conversation with his buddy Sean McDermott on defensive philosophies after firing Sutton.

Even before McDermott got there they started turning the corner on their defense with a good nucleus of d players already. McDermott just took their game to another level. With that said, I think Sean is peter principled out as D coordinator IMHO and in due time he will be let go in a year or two.

[threebag]

Wards been pretty solid for 500k per year

[King slayer]

Offensive line has to be addressed now any way possible. Trade if possible if not sign Jeff Allen back something. Without Pat all is lost damn it! Call plays that get the ball out fast choose your shots down field! Until the line gets healthy or you patch it up.

[Iconic]

Besides Reek, another receiver that can consistently beat press and win his 1 on 1s. I'd love to grab AJ Green after his contract expires and replace Watkins with him.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Besides Reek, another receiver that can consistently beat press and win his 1 on 1s. I'd love to grab AJ Green after his contract expires and replace Watkins with him.

Yea let’s sign a 31 year old aging WR who is more of a brokedick than Watkins. Make sense...

[scho63]

1. D Line: they are getting NO pressure on the QB of any kind. Compare how much pressure Mahomes was under the entire game and how long Jacoby Brissett had to throw. It was a joke.

2. Run D: we all know it sucks bad and Spags is NOT looking like an upgrade over Sutton and neither are all the guys we turned over

3. O Line depth: We now see how "bad" Fisher is. Guy has been an anchor and played great and the moment he is gone we drop about 3 notches. Boy do I miss concussion man Mitch Morse. Schwartz not playing his best. The Dr is OK and the rest of the line is hot garbage.

4. Powerback: Say what you want but we do NOT have a bruising power runner like Kareem Hunt to take the pressure off Mahomes.

5. Cornerbacks: Still have guys who can't locate a thrown pass to save their lives. Massive DPI's and holding

6. Penalties: Andy Reid and coaches suck and so do the players on this-free yardage for your opponent

7. Special teams: What the fuck has happened? Been in decline for years and Colquitt needs to go along with DAT. Only positive of DAT is he seems to hang onto the ball but his decision making is weak.

Basically we need the right 48 or so. We've got about 4-5 guys that always show up and that's about it.

[ForeverChiefs58]

Another big blocking TE who can catch the ball would be really great too.

Not only would it be great for another TE option for Mahomes

But would be great for run and pass blocking.

[TambaBerry]

call the bengals and make them an offer they cant refuse for geno atkins

[srvy]

Wards been pretty solid for 500k per year

I think so too, he rarely gets help deep (looking at you Badger) but seems to be step for step with receiver. When he starts making plays on the ball watch out. I think he will be ok if given the chance.

[TEX]

Assuming that the defensive problems are not from coaching and instead from the lack of talent, how many new starters are needed? Everyone except #32 looks like ass. This is going to take 3-4 years to fix.

Only because we have some bad contracts, but you can turn a defense around a lot sooner. GB did it from last year to this year. Problem is, I don't think KC has the right coaches in addition to players. Just can't figure how guys are good elsewhere, yet when they come to KC they suck. That reeks of poor coaching & poor talent evaluation.

[New World Order]

Offensive line has to be addressed now any way possible. Trade if possible if not sign Jeff Allen back something. Without Pat all is lost damn it! Call plays that get the ball out fast choose your shots down field! Until the line gets healthy or you patch it up.

There's gotta be another interior lineman out there on a reasonable contract that's on a struggling team.

[srvy]

There's gotta be another interior lineman out there on a reasonable contract that's on a struggling team.

Cut DAT resign Jeff Allen or whoever is out there they deem worthy.

[TEX]

Cut DAT resign Jeff Allen or whoever is out there they deem worthy.

Yep.

[threebag]

Yeah fuck that no value hack DAT. Dude sucks