If this is our D... why don’t we blitz a lot more?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I heard Chris Simms bring this up here and I remember talking about this last year with the state of our defense then: https://youtu.be/-Vm9yQ7lb7c

We know the defense isn’t good. We know they’re going to give up points. And right now, with the way teams run it down their throat, it even hurts our offense by keeping them off the field.

I personally think Frank Clark is playing with injured elbow(s), and Chris Jones obviously isn’t healthy, so we’re not going to get a great 4 man rush anytime soon.

So my question becomes, why not just blitz more than any team in the league? I’m talking about creating an identity that is based around coming after you A LOT.

Save me any comments about being burned by the blitz—I’ve been around the game my whole life and understand the risk of blitzing. That part doesn’t matter to me.

My POV is that if we’re going to get our ass kicked defensively, we may as well make it fast so that the offense can play more. And who knows, ideally you’ll get some sacks and/or turnovers here and there too.

Thoughts?...

[loochy]

Have you seen when we blitz lately? It doesn't work...at all.

Also, coaches are incredibly risk averse.

[ThaVirus]

Same answer as to why teams don’t go for it on 4th down more often.

Coaches are pussies.

[Yosef_Malkovitch]

I'd love to see this happen. If we get burned for a 20 yard play, hey, they were going to get that in 3 plays anyway, so all we did was just speed up the process.

On the other hand, if it works, then maybe the opposing team loses 5-10 yards and it makes it at least a possibility to stop them from converting.

[loochy]

I'd love to see this happen. If we get burned for a 20 yard play, hey, they were going to get that in 3 plays anyway, so all we did was just speed up the process.



Hell, at least it might result in a few hits on the QB.

[ModSocks]

Because when they blitz they dont get there. The pass rush is fucking garbage and yeah, if you keep sending DB's to compensate you're going to get burned.

[Yosef_Malkovitch]

Of course, I would also like to see Andy go for it on 4th down instead of punting any time after crossing the 50 yard line so long as the distance is 5 yards or less. But that's not going to happen either...

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Have you seen when we blitz lately? It doesn't work...at all.

Also, coaches are incredibly risk averse.

Sure but I would argue that it isn’t working cause we’re constantly in short yardage situations. We can barely even make it to 3rd down.

[ModSocks]

Sure but I would argue that it isn’t working cause we’re constantly in short yardage situations. We can barely even make it to 3rd down.

And that's going to change?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Because when they blitz they dont get there. The pass rush is ****ing garbage and yeah, if you keep sending DB's to compensate you're going to get burned.

And again, my point would be that they give up points anyways so who cares? At least they’d get off the field more.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

And that's going to change?

It might if you force an incompletion, sack, or TFL a couple times a game with pressure.

[RunKC]

We did. This is what happened.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Putting Hopkins and Fuller in a stack is gonna create some problems for a defense. Houston turned to it down the stretch to ice today&#39;s game away. Here are some examples. <a href="https://t.co/ENGh53R8Nk">pic.twitter.com/ENGh53R8Nk</a></p>&mdash; Mark Schofield (@MarkSchofield) <a href="https://twitter.com/MarkSchofield/status/1183570590084554752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 14, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Yosef_Malkovitch]

It might if you force an incompletion, sack, or TFL a couple times a game with pressure.

Exactly this. Rather than giving up the almost-certain 8 minute scoring drive, roll the dice and see what happens. If they score, they likely would have done so anyways, but at least it was faster so the D won't be as gassed the next time out. On the other hand, if the blitz works, then maybe the D can actually force a punt.

[Warpaint69]

I don't understand why the blitz's aren't overly disguised. The blitzs that have got there were delayed or well timed. Also don't understand why we haven't seen stunts, twists, or curls out of the D-line. They obviously can't get there one on one, why aren't we doing any of that?

[loochy]

We did. This is what happened.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Putting Hopkins and Fuller in a stack is gonna create some problems for a defense. Houston turned to it down the stretch to ice today&#39;s game away. Here are some examples. <a href="https://t.co/ENGh53R8Nk">pic.twitter.com/ENGh53R8Nk</a></p>&mdash; Mark Schofield (@MarkSchofield) <a href="https://twitter.com/MarkSchofield/status/1183570590084554752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 14, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Can someone put this clip to yakkity sax music?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

We did. This is what happened.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Putting Hopkins and Fuller in a stack is gonna create some problems for a defense. Houston turned to it down the stretch to ice today&#39;s game away. Here are some examples. <a href="https://t.co/ENGh53R8Nk">pic.twitter.com/ENGh53R8Nk</a></p>&mdash; Mark Schofield (@MarkSchofield) <a href="https://twitter.com/MarkSchofield/status/1183570590084554752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 14, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I’m not talking about isolated examples. If that’s what we’re doing then I’d post a clip of Mathieu’s sack vs. Detroit.

I’m well aware that blitzes don’t work all the time. The point is to get away from the bend don’t break shit that gets us killed on time of possession and convert to a boom or bust defensive style that’ll at least get Pat the ball more.

[notorious]

Preach brother.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

How about a new DC? Because this team has quit

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[Warrick]

Send the house, disguise 8 in the box and play man in the backend, when they continue to eat up clock in the running game. I've seen a couple zero blitzes that worked well, especially against QBs like Brissett. Whatever they do, they need to quit letting teams ice our offense/QB.

[Yosef_Malkovitch]

I’m not talking about isolated examples. If that’s what we’re doing then I’d post a clip of Mathieu’s sack vs. Detroit.

I’m well aware that blitzes don’t work all the time. The point is to get away from the bend don’t break shit that gets us killed on time of possession and convert to a boom or bust defensive style that’ll at least get Pat the ball more.

Yes. A "break faster or maybe (just maybe) don't break at all" defense would be worlds better than the "bend, bend, keep bending, now break" defense we're currently seeing.

*sigh* This is approaching 2003 Greg Robinson levels of bad.

[PAChiefsGuy]

We don't blitz a lot because it doesn't work. Secondary isn't good enough to allow the pass rush to get there on time.

How about a new DC? Because this team has quit

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That's a lack of effort, pride and a lack of leadership. If we had a strong leader on D like Ray Lewis that type of shit would not happen. Been saying for years we need someone like that but instead Veach signs Hitchens to a big deal.

[ModSocks]

Exactly this. Rather than giving up the almost-certain 8 minute scoring drive, roll the dice and see what happens. If they score, they likely would have done so anyways, but at least it was faster so the D won't be as gassed the next time out. On the other hand, if the blitz works, then maybe the D can actually force a punt.

You guys are talking like teams actually drop back and pass against the Chiefs. They run the ball and dink & dunk. They've been doing it since the AFCCG.

Yeah, GL getting them into 3rd and long, forcing the QB to actually hold the ball long enough for the blitz to get there.

You're talking like the Chiefs have a choice in this matter. They are not dictating shit. They're not in a position to do so because they dont do anything well. Instead they're being dictated to and reacting.

They have nothing they can force an offense into. They can't say, "Oh we'll take away the run and make you drop back, so we can blitz!"

They can't say, "Oh hey we'll take away the pass and force you to run on us!".

If the Chiefs went blitz heavy, then teams will continue to dink and dunk, and throw screens and run mis-direct, and instead of that slant being tackled for "just" a 1st down gain, that slant may go the distance.

And lets not pretend that our offense has been humming. Because it hasn't. Our offense right now has not shown that it's ready for a shoot-out. They've struggled to find any consistency these last 3 weeks.

[ModSocks]

The point is to get away from the bend don’t break shit that gets us killed on time of possession and convert to a boom or bust defensive style that’ll at least get Pat the ball more.

Again, that's not up to the Chiefs. Until the Chiefs D can actually win at something, they're dictated to.

You don't get to decide how long the Texans want to keep the ball for.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Again, that's not up to the Chiefs. Until the Chiefs D can actually win at something, they're dictated to.

You don't get to decide how long the Texans want to keep the ball for.

Blitzing can still positively impact run defense. It’s just a faster way to get more bodies in gaps, or through them. And just like against the pass, it can cause problems for your defense too. But it can also create negative plays for the offense.

[ModSocks]

Blitzing can still positively impact run defense. It’s just a faster way to get more bodies in gaps, or through them. And just like against the pass, it can cause problems for your defense too. But it can also create negative plays for the offense.

The only way this defense gets better is if the front 7 pulls their heads out of their ass and start playing unspectacular, but gap sound defense. If they can manage to not get themselves pushed out of the way, or move themselves out of the way on their own.

All you're suggesting is a different manner to die, hoping that our offense can keep up in a shootout and support a historically bad defense.

We've seen that story before and it still ends in a loss.

The solution is simple. It's not rocket science. The Chiefs know it, the pundits know it and we know it.

The only question is whether or not they can get it done.

[Rain Man]

Exactly this. Rather than giving up the almost-certain 8 minute scoring drive, roll the dice and see what happens. If they score, they likely would have done so anyways, but at least it was faster so the D won't be as gassed the next time out. On the other hand, if the blitz works, then maybe the D can actually force a punt.

I was about to post this exact statement.

Yeah, let's blitz. There's no risk downside and plenty of upside.

Plus, Matthieu is good at it.

[ModSocks]

And once they manage to figure out how to stay in their lane, then we can start talking about the complete lack of pass rush, Spags tendency to put players in a position to lose, and whether or not Ward/Claiborne/Breeland/Fuller suck or not.

But at least they won't be giving up 200 Rush yards a game....

[KChiefs1]

I’d bring the house every down.

[Megatron96]

In general, I agree with the idea.

Doing it against Deshaun Watson would've been a bad idea. Watson's efficiency against the blitz this season is second only to Mahomes, IIRC.

In general though, I'd like to see more run blitzes/delayed blitzes (assuming that our LBs understand and can execute these); and I mean every first down in the first quarter/half. Just to see if the defense can stop the run. Everyone is bagging on the lack of a pass rush; well there is no pass rush if the other team never sees a 3rd down/only sees 3rd-and-short.

This entire season I've been advocating for patience with this defense, and I'm still trying to be objective about it. But the fact is that our interior DLs have been mostly inept against the run. Then right behind them, our middle linebackers have also been really slow to react, poor at reading pre-snap, abysmal at attacking the holes, poor at tackling . . . and probably three or four other things.

Well, you can't stop the run, and I mean no team can, if your DTs and MLBs don't play their assignments and tackle well.

I think Spags should start thinking outside the box in dealing with his MLB problem. I mean, I would consider putting KPass in at MLB. At least he attacks the ball. And he seems like a reasonably good tackler.

Just a crazy thought.

[ModSocks]

I’d bring the house every down.

Yeah and we'd get blown out as a result.

But hey, at least we'd get to see Mahomes eat the turf more, amirite?

[RealSNR]

We don't blitz a lot because it doesn't work. Secondary isn't good enough to allow the pass rush to get there on time.



That's a lack of effort, pride and a lack of leadership. If we had a strong leader on D like Ray Lewis that type of shit would not happen. Been saying for years we need someone like that but instead Veach signs Hitchens to a big deal.

I've been ripping on Veach nonstop for the past two weeks, but I'd like to think if there was a Ray Lewis available in FA, Veach would have signed him.

And don't try to give me CJ Mosley. He's better than Hitchens, that's for sure, but he's not a Ray Lewis-type defensive leader.

Honey Badger is as close as it gets, I think.

[Warrick]

Spags need to stop being predictable, and definitely change things up at LB. When your opponent knows you're going to be in Nickel 80% of the time, it isn't going to stop the run. Spags needs to adjust the scheme the the player's strengths... Our front 7 are just horrible right now with some of our starters hurt. They need help. I don't see Spags adjusting players or the the scheme when things aren't working, instead he'd rather stay predictable and keep the same results.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Yeah and we'd get blown out as a result.

But hey, at least we'd get to see Mahomes eat the turf more, amirite?

I’m not suggesting to “bring the house every down” personally but as for Mahomes playing more.... **** yes, sign me up.

3 drives in the 2nd half Sunday, only 1 in the 4th quarter... similar results against the Colts. We can’t have that. That’s a losing formula.

We’re giving up points AND getting killed in TOP right now. We can’t ever win that way.

[RunKC]

I’m not suggesting to “bring the house every down” personally but as for Mahomes playing more.... **** yes, sign me up.

3 drives in the 2nd half Sunday, only 1 in the 4th quarter... similar results against the Colts. We can’t have that. That’s a losing formula.

We’re giving up points AND getting killed in TOP right now. We can’t ever win that way.

The problem here is the offense is not playing well either. The only thing this team is good at right now is passing the ball.

We can’t run the ball, we can’t stop the run, we can’t protect our QB, we can’t pressure opposing QB’s and we can’t cover.

[GloryDayz]

Because this happens when our weak players attempt to get by, over, or through the wall...

http://i.imgur.com/5FIFo5K.gif

Yes, they're that slow too. And the dumpster seem particularly appropriate too.

[ModSocks]

The problem here is the offense is not playing well either. The only thing this team is good at right now is passing the ball.

We can’t run the ball, we can’t stop the run, we can’t protect our QB, we can’t pressure opposing QB’s and we can’t cover.

This.

Hence why i said "If you want to see more of Mahomes eating turf".

This O-line hasn't shown that it's ready for a shoot out. And the playcalling has been un-imaginative compared to what we're use to seeing. Every year Andy has had a new wrinkle. Where's that wrinkle. I assume we'll see it when we get more Tyreek, but that has yet to be seen.

So all the OP is really suggesting here is that we allow opposing O's to score more quickly. That'll result in just getting blown out. Because this season our O has not found any consistency. They've relied wholly on big downfield splash plays and a good quarter of football per game.

It's a fucking recipe for disaster and you're gonna get Mahomes killed.

There's only one way to fix this D and they just need to get it done. No excuses, no bullshit and no "outside the box thinking" is going to fix this fucking mess.

To quote Romeo, they need to "Play good Football".

[suzzer99]

First we have to get them in 2nd or 3rd and long. When they get 8 yards on every first down run - it's easy to throw a 5 yard slant to beat the blitz.

[PAChiefsGuy]

I've been ripping on Veach nonstop for the past two weeks, but I'd like to think if there was a Ray Lewis available in FA, Veach would have signed him.

And don't try to give me CJ Mosley. He's better than Hitchens, that's for sure, but he's not a Ray Lewis-type defensive leader.

Honey Badger is as close as it gets, I think.

True. Im not going to fault Veach for not signing an LB like Lewis. Those guys dont make it to FA anyway. Gotta draft them

[MahiMike]

I agree. Just gamble one way or another. Either they score quick or we get the sack.

[Kman34]

How about a new DC? Because this team has quit

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Really?? That's what they're paid to do... And payed well too... So we have a team of Marcus Peters tacklers now???

[Kman34]

This.

Hence why i said "If you want to see more of Mahomes eating turf".

This O-line hasn't shown that it's ready for a shoot out. And the playcalling has been un-imaginative compared to what we're use to seeing. Every year Andy has had a new wrinkle. Where's that wrinkle. I assume we'll see it when we get more Tyreek, but that has yet to be seen.

So all the OP is really suggesting here is that we allow opposing O's to score more quickly. That'll result in just getting blown out. Because this season our O has not found any consistency. They've relied wholly on big downfield splash plays and a good quarter of football per game.

It's a fucking recipe for disaster and you're gonna get Mahomes killed.

There's only one way to fix this D and they just need to get it done. No excuses, no bullshit and no "outside the box thinking" is going to fix this fucking mess.

To quote Romeo, they need to "Play good Football".

Yes.. No trade is going to right this ship.. Too many holes... We need to get hard...

[petegz28]

Because when they blitz they dont get there. The pass rush is ****ing garbage and yeah, if you keep sending DB's to compensate you're going to get burned.

At least then the opposing offense would score faster and we might get our QB out on the field more than 3 times a half.....

[Jerm]

How about a new DC? Because this team has quit

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....and what will happen?

Nothing...because exactly no fucking one is held accountable on this team.

Pathetic.

[PHOG]

....and what will happen?

Nothing...because exactly no ****ing one is held accountable on this team.

Pathetic.
Exactly, bench his non aggressive and non passionate ass. Then cut him. :#

[Chiefnj2]

This further proves all the "running on KC doesn't win games" wrong. Bashing a defense breaks their spirit and causes teams to give up. It will only get worse as the season goes on and injuries pop up from excessive wear, tear and playing time.

[Coogs]

How about a new DC? Because this team has quit

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Clark supposedly said something very similar yesterday. We have some issues that need addressed pronto!

[Easy 6]

One page in and count me with pugs and Yosef

When you lack talent risks have to be taken, anything that gets the ball back to this offense faster

[Coogs]

Said Clark told him they didn’t have any passion to stop the run. Collins said, “this is the same guy who got run over by the quarterback for a touchdown.” Holthus is uncomfortable in this interview where he just wants to put the hammer down.

This was from the Frank Clark thread yesterday.

[Easy 6]

Spags is a Jim Johnson disciple, the blitzes and wild looks are surely in the playbook

He just needs to reach down, grab his Gregg Williams... and start calling them

[Megatron96]

This week against the Broncos would be a good time to try a lot of blitzes. Flacco has never fared all that well against the blitz, and it might also blow up their run game.