No KU v Duke gamethread?

[banyon]

Who’s watching?

[Why Not?]

Checking in on it. Honestly hard for me to get into it until after football season.

[banyon]

Man it’s Duke I can always get hyped to beat those guys.

[ChiTown]

Fuck ku. That is all

:)

[DJay23]

Duke looks young this year. Lost a lot of firepower. So far typical chuck and duck offense for Duke.

KU looking to pound it inside to Doke.

[DJay23]

Last 4 possessions:

De Soasa travelling
Azubuike travelling
Dotson Lay in
Azubuike traveling

[banyon]

Didn’t know they let Desousa out of that little jail.

[banyon]

Sadly that was a travel

[DJay23]

Sadly that was a travel

The one where the Duke player stopped and slid a foot? Yeah, pretty obvious travel. Pretty typical Duke no-call.

[banyon]

What exactly is KU’s scoring threat?

[DJay23]

What exactly is KU’s scoring threat?

Its not real clear at this point. It could be a different guy every night.

WOw, our free throws look crappy again this year.

[DJay23]

Enaruna looks smooth.

[KC_Connection]

How has Udoka not improved his game in like 4 years?

[banyon]

Its not real clear at this point. It could be a different guy every night.

WOw, our free throws look crappy again this year.

Man I don’t like the sound of that.

[banyon]

Agbaji looks good so far

[banyon]

How has Udoka not improved his game in like 4 years?

No Danny Manning anymore.

[KC_Connection]

Man I don’t like the sound of that.
I think it will be Agbaji. Best pro prospect on the team. He just has to realize how good he is/can be.

[DJay23]

Man I don’t like the sound of that.

I'm not saying this team is anywhere near as good as '07/'08 but that was the question at the start of that year. And even though Rush might have been considered the "scorer" it really worked out that it passed around between Chalmers, Arthur, and Rush.

[KC_Connection]

Udoka has been disastrous on both ends in this game so far. He's completely incapable of handling double teams or guarding anybody further out than a few feet.

[DJay23]

Jesus, we are pretty bad against pressure with all of these bigs. Adjust Bill.

[Demonpenz]

what is the point with the post season ban

[Red Dawg]

Sloppy. Turnover after turnover.

[KC_Connection]

Udoka has 4 turnovers on his own and it feels like he's had a role in more than that. Remarkable for a big.

[Buehler445]

Fuck ku. That is all

:)

So serious question. I don’t know where you KSU guys are at. You really hate us more than Puke?

Really?

How has Udoka not improved his game in like 4 years?
I miss Danny Manning.

[sedated]

This is the ugliest offensive performance Ive seen since the early-90s Chiefs.

Tough to score when you turn it over every damn time down the court.

[Buehler445]

Jesus, we are pretty bad against pressure with all of these bigs. Adjust Bill.

It would be better if the bigs would score.

[KC_Connection]

15 turnovers on the game and it isn't even half time. LMAO

We'd be better off just going down the court and chucking contested threes early in the shot clock over throwing it in to the bigs right now to panic at double team pressure.

[O.city]

Stop turning it over and you win

[Buehler445]

This is the ugliest offensive performance Ive seen since the early-90s Chiefs.

Tough to score when you turn it over every damn time down the court.

It’s definitely early season ball. Maybe this is why they schedule cupcakes

[KC_Connection]

Udoka loses a loose ball to a skinny freshman then fouls for an easy and-1. Great stuff.

[smithandrew051]

UGLY

[KC_Connection]

Phantom call on Garrett.

[O.city]

Early season games are ugly

[Buehler445]

Team is better with McCormick at the 5.

[Pablo]

My eyes are fucking bleeding. Just awful to watch.

[KC_Connection]

Early season games are ugly
Yes but this is ridiculous. I've never heard of 17 turnovers in a single half of basketball.

[DJay23]

We should be blowing these skinny punks out.

[DJay23]

Christ Enaruna lay that off the glass!

[banyon]

We are showing a little resilience here

[displacedinMN]

Remember-NWMO only lost to Duke by 6 in an exhibition game a week ago.

[PHOG]

UGLY first half. :shake:

[banyon]

Lol self “18 whut!”

[KC_Connection]

Christ Enaruna lay that off the glass!
He's passed up at least three shots so far. Need confidence.

[BWillie]

18 turnovers. One possession game. Lol

We are winning this one.

Has a team ever had 36 turnovers before?

[KC_Connection]

Remember-NWMO only lost to Duke by 6 in an exhibition game a week ago.
It's possible that Duke may actually be quite bad with all these freshmen by their standards. Based on only leading by 3 in a half in which KU turned the ball over 18 times, it might be fair to assume that.

[KC_Connection]

18 turnovers. One possession game. Lol

We are winning this one.

Has a team ever had 36 turnovers before?
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/west-virginia-forces-manhattan-into-an-incredible-40-turnovers-in-40-minutes/

Looks like it has. The refs allowed WVU to assault Manhattan for 40 minutes for 40 turnovers a few years ago.

[KC_Connection]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">KU has 18 first-half turnovers. The highest TO rate in the Self era was 38.7% against Arizona in Maui on Nov. 21, 2005, the famous Mario Chalmers couldn&#39;t get across half court game. Jayhawks had 27 turnovers that day. The good news for KU: It&#39;s November 5.</p>&mdash; CJ Moore (@CJMooreHoops) <a href="https://twitter.com/CJMooreHoops/status/1191884501749768197?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Demonpenz]

Azebuke going to show why he is preseason big 12 player of the year.

[KC_Connection]

Azebuke going to show why he is preseason big 12 player of the year.
He's incapable of handling double teams, so that seems unlikely.

[KC_Connection]

Agbaji fouled on his three, no call from Duke's refs.

[DJay23]

Ochai may be hurt.

[DJay23]

Ochai may be hurt.

Welp, never mind. Glad he's ok.

[sedated]

Has SDS played at all?

[Buehler445]

Agbaji fouled on his three, no call from Duke's refs.

They owed us one for that Garrett call

[Lzen]

He's incapable of handling double teams, so that seems unlikely.

Right after you said that, he gets his composure and dishes to Mccormick. 9

[Buehler445]

McCormick looks really good out there.

[Buehler445]

Puke didn’t even help that bitch ass up.

[KC_Connection]

Right after you said that, he gets his composure and dishes to Mccormick. 9
He missed him immediately and only got lucky that Duke's defense was late in coming down to guard McCormack (who I think might be better than Udoka already when taking into account things beyond scoring).

[KC_Connection]

Udoka is the maybe the worst free throw shooter I've ever seen.

[CasselGotPeedOn]

They've called us for traveling like 5 times, Duke none lol

[KC_Connection]

They've called us for traveling like 5 times, Duke none lol
Duke has travelled twice in the last three minutes to no calls as well.

[KC_Connection]

Blew that lead pretty quickly. Pretty sure if they don't turn it over every possession they'll win this game.

[banyon]

They've called us for traveling like 5 times, Duke none lol

I’d like to see that last call on Agbaygi again

[Lzen]

He missed him immediately and only got lucky that Duke's defense was late in coming down to guard McCormack (who I think might be better than Udoka already when taking into account things beyond scoring).

That's fair. I really like McCormack.

[sedated]

McCormack has some handles for a guy that huge. Much more agile than Doke

[KC_Connection]

Udoka jumping at shooters as always.

[cj2wr]

Udoka sucks

[Papi]

Ball greased when KU has possession? So sloppy

[sedated]

KU has turned back into the wet dog turds they were in the first half.

[KC_Connection]

Udoka sucks
No competitive fire, no basketball IQ, no mobility, no shooting. Yeah, it's not great. I'd like to see more McCormack and De Sousa this year, but I doubt that's going to happen.

[BWillie]

Horrible game. Our lack of shooting is very apparent too

[KC_Connection]

Horrible game. Our lack of shooting is very apparent too
Agbaji, Enaruna, and Dotson can shoot, but it seems clear that that isn't the offense this year.

[KC_Connection]

McCormack's outlet passes are NBA quality. Too bad Agbaji wasn't paying attention somehow on a 3 on 1.

[Buehler445]

Garrett isn’t the best player by a long shot but I do enjoy watching him defend.

[KC_Connection]

Looks like Garrett got hurt there. Can Duke pick Udoka for these FTs if he can't go?

[banyon]

Looks like Garrett got hurt there. Can Duke pick Udoka for these FTs if he can't go?

Yeah

[KC_Connection]

Yeah
Looks like he can go. He's not great at FTs either in any case.

[sedated]

Doke just isn't good in this offense. With 4 smalls that can shoot and spread the floor, sure. But he pisses down his leg when help comes, and help is always a step away when another typical big is a few feet away

[banyon]

As bad as we’ve played this game is up for the taking

[banyon]

Doke just isn't good in this offense. With 4 smalls that can shoot and spread the floor, sure. But he pisses down his leg when help comes, and help is always a step away when another typical big is a few feet away

Yeah our offensive scheme needs a lot of work

[Red Dawg]

Not over but gawd they are sloppy. 30 turnovers? Miracle they are not blown out.

[Buehler445]

Stanley has a punchable face. Does Duke make that a requirement for recruitment?

[KC_Connection]

Choke turnover from McCormack with a horrible bounce pass to (probably) lose the game. Fitting for this one.

[Red Dawg]

Why not throw it up to AZ? Would have been easy basket.

[Buehler445]

Choke turnover from McCormack with a horrible bounce pass to (probably) lose the game. Fitting for this one.

Yeah. Im a McCormick guy but Christ that was awful.

[banyon]

Garrett can not be our scoring option

[Red Dawg]

KU lol. Fucking sorry ass performance.

[Buehler445]

Why not throw it up to AZ? Would have been easy basket.

His footwork was awful. He had to dribble to get his positioning right and then the dude probably would have blocked that. The play was az as soon as he touched it but his feet were shit.

[Buehler445]

Well fuck.

[banyon]

Long season but we look like a team that should be ranked 22 and not 3

[smithandrew051]

That was terrible. Not prepared at all.

Hope this is just an early season rust thing.

[Lzen]

As much as everyone is on Dotson as our super star, he has been disappointing. He should have thrown out thrown it down to buke

[BWillie]

Not real encouraged by this 2 bigs option especially with guys like Enaruna and Braun who seem to be better than their recruiting ranking.

[SithCeNtZ]

Easily selfs worst coaching job since he left Doke in to blow the game at OU. Mac and Doke can’t work. Neither have any play making ability and you are left with a bunch of dumb decisions. Macs pass to end it was bad but his jump shot a minute before was arguably worse. Then we run the offense through garret because...? Just baffling.

[sedated]

This looked like a team of freshmen, completely lost.

Im never one to blame Self, but he seemed obsessed with getting the Doke/McCormack going. Dotson was on the floor but was a minor factor, and where the F was De Sousa??

[KCTitus]

That was terrible. Not prepared at all.

Hope this is just an early season rust thing.

Horrible to watch...but it seems like KU consistently shits the bed in the early season games.

[sedated]

Horrible to watch...but it seems like KU consistently shits the bed in the early season games.

I can't say Ive noticed that, aren't they about .500 in Champions Classic games? And they destroy the non-con most years.

[Papi]

Im never one to blame Self
Maybe you should. Hasn't won the big game since 2008. Just ended the streak of Big 12 Championships. I'm not saying he's a bad coach, I just think he's become complacent and some new blood could reinvigorate the program.

[sedated]

Maybe you should. Hasn't won the big game since 2008. Just ended the streak of Big 12 Championships. I'm not saying he's a bad coach, I just think he's become complacent and some new blood could reinvigorate the program.

Lol. As much as I want to win another title, you can't judge everything on that. ONE year removed from winning 14 straight conference titles. Either a 1 or 2 seed in the tournament for, what, 10 straight years? While the Elite 8 is far from a Final 4 or title, KU is seemingly there every other year.

(Im too lazy to look up the actual stats)

[smithandrew051]

I can't say Ive noticed that, aren't they about .500 in Champions Classic games? And they destroy the non-con most years.

We normally win in this thing. When we haven’t, it’s normally when we’re just completely overmatched (UK in 2011, UK in 2014) or an opposing player just goes off (Denzel Valentine in 2015). This one was just bad.

[Demonpenz]

they are so slow to swing the ball like doke needs to find an open person and Mcormick had doke if he just did a touch pass. For guys who play baseketball all the time they don't know shit.

[KC_Connection]

I don't think they can effectively play a two big offense with Udoka. It makes it far easier for teams to double him and he's proven completely unable to handle that kind of pressure in his career. You need to be able to make quick, high BBIQ decisions under that kind of pressure and I'm pretty sure that he (and likely the two other big) can't do that.

While I'm sure they'll win plenty of games with the two big set, they probably need to play a one big offense (or have McCormack hang out on the perimeter) to really maximize this team. I'm pretty certain that Self isn't going to want to do that, though, so this may be a long process to get where they need to go.

[BWillie]

I don't think they can effectively play a two big offense with Udoka. It makes it far easier for teams to double him and he's proven completely unable to handle that kind of pressure in his career. You need to be able to make quick, high BBIQ decisions under that kind of pressure and I'm pretty sure that he (and likely the two other big) can't do that.

While I'm sure they'll win plenty of games with the two big set, they probably need to play a one big offense (or have McCormack hang out on the perimeter) to really maximize this team. I'm pretty certain that Self isn't going to want to do that, though, so this may be a long process to get where they need to go.

Enaruna or Garrett at the 4 depending on the team match up.

I absolutely love Enarunas potential.

[Chiefspants]

I expect Self to spend the better half of the non-con trying to establish the two-big offense.

If he capitulates, it’ll be just before conference season.

[banyon]

I don't think they can effectively play a two big offense with Udoka. It makes it far easier for teams to double him and he's proven completely unable to handle that kind of pressure in his career. You need to be able to make quick, high BBIQ decisions under that kind of pressure and I'm pretty sure that he (and likely the two other big) can't do that.

While I'm sure they'll win plenty of games with the two big set, they probably need to play a one big offense (or have McCormack hang out on the perimeter) to really maximize this team. I'm pretty certain that Self isn't going to want to do that, though, so this may be a long process to get where they need to go.

Yup. Agree totally. And we need a different scoring option than Garrett when we need a clutch bucket.

[Buehler445]

Enaruna or Garrett at the 4 depending on the team match up.

I absolutely love Enarunas potential.

He has got to figure out what he's going to do with the ball before he jumps.

[KC_Connection]

Enaruna or Garrett at the 4 depending on the team match up.

I absolutely love Enarunas potential.

Bill should be encouraging Enaruna to shoot. A lot of driving at the basket today rather aimlessly looking to pass.

[sedated]

I do not understand why SDS only got a few minutes. He at least has a chance of playing some perimeter defense. McCormack, as agile as he is, cannot spend all game doing that.

[smithandrew051]

Doke always seemed more effective and comfortable in that 4 guard lineup with shooters all around him. Much easier to beat up a smaller guy inside when you don’t have two or three sets of hands on the ball as soon as you catch it down low.

[Buehler445]

I don't think they can effectively play a two big offense with Udoka. It makes it far easier for teams to double him and he's proven completely unable to handle that kind of pressure in his career. You need to be able to make quick, high BBIQ decisions under that kind of pressure and I'm pretty sure that he (and likely the two other big) can't do that.

While I'm sure they'll win plenty of games with the two big set, they probably need to play a one big offense (or have McCormack hang out on the perimeter) to really maximize this team. I'm pretty certain that Self isn't going to want to do that, though, so this may be a long process to get where they need to go.

The other side of that equation is McCormick is atrocious in space.

The best lineup we had a 4 guard lineup but we don't have the depth at guard that we've had in the past so it makes some good sense to run 2 bigs. Doke is bad with double teams, but McCormick can't operate in space.

[Buehler445]

I do not understand why SDS only got a few minutes. He at least has a chance of playing some perimeter defense. McCormack, as agile as he is, cannot spend all game doing that.

He looked rusty as all get out out there.

I'm not sure who's minutes hes taking but he isn't as physically imposing as either McCormick or Azabuke and the size is what Puke was having trouble with.

[Buehler445]

Doke always seemed more effective and comfortable in that 4 guard lineup with shooters all around him. Much easier to beat up a smaller guy inside when you don’t have two or three sets of hands on the ball as soon as you catch it down low.

The problem is that will severely limit the minutes of SDS or McC. With the distribution of depth, we really need the 2 big lineup to work.

[sedated]

The other side of that equation is McCormick is atrocious in space.

The best lineup we had a 4 guard lineup but we don't have the depth at guard that we've had in the past so it makes some good sense to run 2 bigs. Doke is bad with double teams, but McCormick can't operate in space.

McCormack showed some flashes with handles from the wing, but looked terrible feeding the post from anywhere, and is not a threat to do ANYTHING from the top of the key which is needed in the high/low.

This is not the Morris twins or Gooden/Collison out there. Self has some big adjustments to make or he's playing an 80s game decades too late.

[Al Czervik]

McCormack showed some flashes with handles from the wing, but looked terrible feeding the post from anywhere, and is not a threat to do ANYTHING from the top of the key which is needed in the high/low.

This is not the Morris twins or Gooden/Collison out there. Self has some big adjustments to make or he's playing an 80s game decades too late.

28 turnovers....story of the game.
Dotson was shit tonight....1 effing assist. And 5 TO's himself....
Its early....but that is very disappointing for a projected all team conference guy....

[Prison Bitch]

28 turnovers....story of the game.
Dotson was shit tonight....1 effing assist. And 5 TO's himself....
Its early....but that is very disappointing for a projected all team conference guy....

It’s the story of Selfs entire coaching career. His teams TO a lot and he never fixes it. Look at his teams historical rankings in TO its laughable. We turned it over so much last nite because our coach doesn’t care about it ——or, he’s allowed it for 25 years. That’s a fact.


Dok was atrocious. He looked slow and fat and disinterested. Too slow to help weak side on late drives. I’d go back to 20-24mpg for him. He can’t play 30+

[BigRedChief]

This looked like a team of freshmen, completely lost.

Im never one to blame Self, but he seemed obsessed with getting the Doke/McCormack going.?where have you been? Self loves the bigs in and out game. It’s usually what he does for decades now.