Tesla Cybertruck

[DaFace]

Well, he said it was going to be different.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cybertruck?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cybertruck</a>, Tesla’s all-new electric pickup truck, is here, and it can take a sledgehammer to the door while nary a dent. The all-electric pickup will offer up to 500 miles of range and start at $39,000. <a href="https://t.co/7a8YBicIkC">https://t.co/7a8YBicIkC</a></p>&mdash; WIRED (@WIRED) <a href="https://twitter.com/WIRED/status/1197735413844189185?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Starts at $40k, though. That's impressive.

[GloryDayz]

I like that... A lot...

[TribalElder]

I think that thing is ugly as fuck

[DaFace]

I'm more excited by the ATV they revealed as a bonus, but here's a cool view of how the bed of the truck works.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Elon Musk&#39;s one more thing at the Tesla <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cybertruck?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cybertruck</a> event...an ATV <a href="https://t.co/3fP245mZSr">pic.twitter.com/3fP245mZSr</a></p>&mdash; Mashable (@mashable) <a href="https://twitter.com/mashable/status/1197734873949069313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[TribalElder]

I'm more excited by the ATV they revealed as a bonus, but here's a cool view of how the bed of the truck works.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Elon Musk&#39;s one more thing at the Tesla <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cybertruck?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cybertruck</a> event...an ATV <a href="https://t.co/3fP245mZSr">pic.twitter.com/3fP245mZSr</a></p>&mdash; Mashable (@mashable) <a href="https://twitter.com/mashable/status/1197734873949069313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

thats pretty cool, wonder about the 4 wheeler

[notorious]

Just make one that does the work of my 2500 diesel.

Please.

[Rain Man]

That seems like a good deal. I don't really need a pickup, but if it was an SUV that looked like that, I'd strongly consider it.

[Buehler445]

Just make one that does the work of my 2500 diesel.

Please.

Shit. At 40K you could almost buy 2, tie them together like grandpa did his John Deere Ds and get to work.

Give me a summer with one. We’ll see if it’s a pickup or a car with a pickup body.

[DaFace]

Here's the actual page with all the renders.

https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck

I have to admit I'm intrigued by the camper option... :hmmm:

https://i.imgur.com/NrAGS1O.jpg

[-King-]

That might be the ugliest thing I've ever seen in my life.

[Buehler445]

It doesn’t have a receiver hitch.

https://www.tesla.com/xNVh4yUEc3B9/06_Desktop.jpg

I don’t know how the hell this thing is hooked on, but I don’t think it’s a receiver.

https://www.tesla.com/xNVh4yUEc3B9/07_Desktop.jpg

[DaFace]

That might be the ugliest thing I've ever seen in my life.

I actually really like this thing in terms of the functionality and price, but...yeah...the look is a stretch for me.

[TribalElder]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cybertruck in motion. The one on stage has cracked windows because they hit them with a cannonball but the windows did not fully get penetrated. Chassis is bulletproof against 9mm bullets. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TeslaCyberTruck?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TeslaCyberTruck</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Tesla?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Tesla</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cybertruck?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cybertruck</a> <a href="https://t.co/2xXKhe7fUX">pic.twitter.com/2xXKhe7fUX</a></p>&mdash; Slashdot (@slashdot) <a href="https://twitter.com/slashdot/status/1197735198781145090?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[-King-]

It looks like they got inspiration from Kobe Bryant's first show that everyone made fun of

https://images.solecollector.com/complex/images/c_fill,dpr_2.0,f_auto,fl_lossy,q_auto,w_680/adidas-the-kobe-2_nuw5ve/adidas-kobe-2

[DaFace]

It doesn’t have a receiver hitch.

https://www.tesla.com/xNVh4yUEc3B9/06_Desktop.jpg

I don’t know how the hell this thing is hooked on, but I don’t think it’s a receiver.

https://www.tesla.com/xNVh4yUEc3B9/07_Desktop.jpg

My guess would be it's just an incomplete render, but...:shrug:

[Hammock Parties]

i need it

[Hammock Parties]

That might be the ugliest thing I've ever seen in my life.

i think i'd have to get some really futuristic clothes to go with it

it'd be LIT to go to arrowhead in that as a big red iron man with chrome highlights - metallic chiefs red

[GloryDayz]

I'm not sure why he felt the need to depart so much from the appearance of current trucks, but I'm not going to question Musk..

[Eleazar]

Looks like it drove out of a crappy Super Nintendo game

[mr. tegu]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/k8bMS52B9ejSw/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51ab9ce402ba929c1dd3bf02894b6e9237212290f55&rid=giphy.gif

[arrowheadnation]

It's so freakin cool seeing a drawing that I made in the 1st grade become a reality. I better get royalites, or a truck, or something out of this. :D

[-King-]

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LMAO I had this episode in mind too.

[-King-]

So Elon threw something at the windows to prove how durable they supposedly are....and they broke. LMAO LMAO

"Oh my fucking God..."

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Elon&#39;s reaction when the window actually breaks <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cybertruck?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cybertruck</a> <a href="https://t.co/ujEh47PEHM">pic.twitter.com/ujEh47PEHM</a></p>&mdash; Pyrets (@Pyrets1) <a href="https://twitter.com/Pyrets1/status/1197734066683908097?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Baby Lee]

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[BryanBusby]

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Literally first thing I thought of

[A Salt Weapon]

It doesn’t have a receiver hitch.

https://www.tesla.com/xNVh4yUEc3B9/06_Desktop.jpg

I don’t know how the hell this thing is hooked on, but I don’t think it’s a receiver.

https://www.tesla.com/xNVh4yUEc3B9/07_Desktop.jpg

Magnets

[TimeForWasp]

It doesn’t have a receiver hitch.

https://www.tesla.com/xNVh4yUEc3B9/06_Desktop.jpg

I don’t know how the hell this thing is hooked on, but I don’t think it’s a receiver.

https://www.tesla.com/xNVh4yUEc3B9/07_Desktop.jpg

It uses a Tractor beam.

[Flying High D]

Wonder what the range is when towing, 250 miles?

[Couch-Potato]

Looks like it'll hit 88 miles per hour and take you back in time.

Is the ATV and upgrade option?

I don't hate it, but I wouldn't be shocked if it's a commercial flop due to aesthetics & politics.

I expect the their Semi-Truck to make bigger waves.

[ping2000]

But can it survive in Baltimore?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191122/25364a43480d85af89b7b569a473d695.jpg

[srvy]

Not a working man's truck. Does it come with a ladder to reach tools at the front reaches of the bed? Won't ever be a consideration as a fleet utility truck without a topper option. The whole thing strikes me as a fancy nancy boy truck.

[RollChiefsRoll]

Hideous piece of shit.

[notorious]

He managed to price something near half the price of his cars, which in the normal world cost twice as much as a car.

When something is too good to be true.......

If it truly has a body that can’t be dented why aren’t normal manufacturers using that skin?

This pickup has small penised weekend warrior written all over it.

[stevieray]

I can't believe people are conditioned to think 40k for a vehicle is a good deal.

[limested]

So Elon threw something at the windows to prove how durable they supposedly are....and they broke. LMAO LMAO

"Oh my ****ing God..."

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Elon&#39;s reaction when the window actually breaks <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cybertruck?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cybertruck</a> <a href="https://t.co/ujEh47PEHM">pic.twitter.com/ujEh47PEHM</a></p>&mdash; Pyrets (@Pyrets1) <a href="https://twitter.com/Pyrets1/status/1197734066683908097?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

100% intentional. How better to go viral and create free advertising for your product.

[Dartgod]

That thing is FUGLY

[Naptown Chief]

Hideous piece of shit.

My sentiments exactly

[ChiliConCarnage]

When something is too good to be true.......


They couldn't deliver on a 35k mainstream sedan that would have a lot higher volume. There's no reason to think that 39k model truck will ever sell.

Also, Trucks and SUVs are where vehicle companies can currently make good margins. If you wanted to go against the grain on that, I'm not sure you picked a design that lines up with mainstream volume. :spock:

[vailpass]

What part of that ugly thing is a truck?

[Perineum Ripper]

https://d32c3oe4bky4k6.cloudfront.net/articles-videos/-/media/uscamediasite/images/story-images/2019/07/19/delorean-1981-mecum-1.ashx?modified=20190719141417&mw=1440&hash=C7899139EE913D3BD78B7C13717D4F225AC0AB60

First thing I thought of was a lifted modern version of the DeLorean

[Eleazar]

I can't believe people are conditioned to think 40k for a vehicle is a good deal.


Exactly

[Dunerdr]

honestly with a different body on it he could probably storm the mall crawler market at that price. but its so damn ugly and doesnt appear to be super functional as a truck, sort of like a ridgeline or an avalanche.

[Buehler445]

He managed to price something near half the price of his cars, which in the normal world cost twice as much as a car.

When something is too good to be true.......

If it truly has a body that can’t be dented why aren’t normal manufacturers using that skin?

This pickup has small penised weekend warrior written all over it.

To be fair, Dad bought a 19 Chevy half ton and it very much has the small penised weekend warrior feel to it too. Not as bad as this, but it’s got a pretty soft suspension (even though he doesn’t have much in it, seems pretty flimsy going down county roads (it may not be. We’ll see), and the bed is kind of wonky too (he doesn’t have a toolbox in it yet), and it too is pretty ugly IMO.

I’d be open to it. I can run up pretty close to 250 miles in a day, but I’d be down if it can holdup.

[BigBeauford]

They really fucked this up. I love how crazy Musk is, his brand, but they should have stuck to a similar design language with their other vehicles (which is great).

[Lzen]

Shit. At 40K you could almost buy 2, tie them together like grandpa did his John Deere Ds and get to work.

Give me a summer with one. We’ll see if it’s a pickup or a car with a pickup body.

Ummmm....have you priced trucks lately? 30-40k is normal.

[Lzen]

That truck is really ugly.

[dannybcaitlyn]

Looks like it belongs on the moon.

[LoneWolf]

Ummmm....have you priced trucks lately? 30-40k is cheap

FYP

[LoneWolf]

Musk should work on making his car business profitable before he decides to build the ugliest truck in history.

[ChiliConCarnage]

Looks like it belongs on the moon.

I get that same kind of Lunar Rover vibe. I don't hate it like some others. I think in that first pic Buehler posted where the trunk is covered it looks neat. Very futuristic. Not sure I'd want it to be my daily driver though

[GloryDayz]

They really fucked this up. I love how crazy Musk is, his brand, but they should have stuck to a similar design language with their other vehicles (which is great).

I tend to agree. Had he gone the route of making it look like something most of us drive these days, he might of hit one out of the park. If it can tow a boat, carry some lumber or mulch, and make it through the woods during deer season, and go 300-400 miles between charges, a hell of a lot of consumers in the 14-18mpg "F150/1500" crowd would probably be all over it.

But yeah, it filling the roles that the F250/2500 "farm" crowd does seems like a huge leap.

[Buehler445]

Ummmm....have you priced trucks lately? 30-40k is normal.

Have you priced pickups lately?

30 will get you a 3 year old 30K half ton that doesn't have warranty at a LT or maybe LTZ trim package.

notorious is driving a 3/4 diesel. I don't know what trim package he had - and that definitely matters, but I'd bet he's in the neighborhood of 60K if he bought it new.

I don't mean to speak out of turn for notorious, but those are the numbers I've found.

[Buehler445]

I tend to agree. Had he gone the route of making it look like something most of us drive these days, he might of hit one out of the park. If it can tow a boat, carry some lumber or mulch, and make it through the woods during deer season, and go 300-400 miles between charges, a hell of a lot of consumers in the 14-18mpg "F150/1500" crowd would probably be all over it.

But yeah, it filling the roles that the F250/2500 "farm" crowd does seems like a huge leap.

Eh, I don't know, I think it said it had an air suspension and electric can produce torque far more efficiently than gas or diesel, braking shouldn't be a problem with an electric, as long as the frame and lugbolts and shit can hold itself together (/not an engineer), it makes good sense for a pickup. I can't make the leap for tractors, but I can get there on pickups.

At least mine, that I run in the garage at night, and 75% no payload except 700 lb or so of tools and a compressor.

[notorious]

They couldn't deliver on a 35k mainstream sedan that would have a lot higher volume. There's no reason to think that 39k model truck will ever sell.

Also, Trucks and SUVs are where vehicle companies can currently make good margins. If you wanted to go against the grain on that, I'm not sure you picked a design that lines up with mainstream volume. :spock:

If they can make a 2500 electric that does the work of my current truck I will be all over it.

Infinite torque, no maintenance, self-driving. Good lord that would be awesome.

Someday they will, I am highly skeptical of this deal.

[Buehler445]

EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I don't intend to be on the bleeding edge of a fucking pickup on the farm, I keep lower miles pickup for my wagon strictly because I don't want to fuck around with breakdowns. It just needs to run. So I'm a long way from ordering one, but on the surface it makes sense if it can do the same things mine can.

[Buehler445]

If they can make a 2500 electric that does the work of my current truck I will be all over it.

Infinite torque, no maintenance, self-driving. Good lord that would be awesome.

Someday they will, I am highly skeptical of this deal.

On my end it needs to hold together on shit roads and be able to live in dirt. I too would be all over it. But like I said, I'm not willing to risk much on my Daily farm pickup.

[notorious]

FYP

The local dealership put out an incorrect ad and web info that put Chevy 1500 LTZ crew cab gassers at 38k. My fingers smoked trying to dial the phone.

My salesman laughed and told me about the mishap. Said he had 10 calls in the first hour of work that Monday.

Damn.

[Dayze]

I can't believe people are conditioned to think 40k for a vehicle is a good deal.

that.

[Buehler445]

The local dealership put out an incorrect ad and web info that put Chevy 1500 LTZ crew cab gassers at 38k. My fingers smoked trying to dial the phone.

My salesman laughed and told me about the mishap. Said he had 10 calls in the first hour of work that Monday.

Damn.

LMAO

I'm such a fucking cheapskate.

[notorious]

On my end it needs to hold together on shit roads and be able to live in dirt. I too would be all over it. But like I said, I'm not willing to risk much on my Daily farm pickup.

Imagine my friend: no transmission, brakes that last forever, no injector/plug replacements.

I’m afraid they will go very light on the frame to increase range. No good on a work pickup.

[Buehler445]

I can't believe people are conditioned to think 40k for a vehicle is a good deal.

Exactly

that.

It is a pretty good deal after buying anything with green paint on it.

Not to go off on a rant here (for you young kids out there YouTube Dennis Miller Live), but a 40K pickup is a hell of a deal compared to a 450K Combine or 350K tractor. Sure, it's not doing the same work as those machines, but you know what a 40K pickup does do well? fucking sensors. My pickup, which was engineered for soccer moms on paved roads that I'm driving in the field, has ECU, fuel, exhaust and all the other bullshit sensors too, except they work. Goddamned Deere (and CNH too FWIW) is engineered to be in the field and can't keep sensors running. Fuck that pisses me right the fuck off. /rant

tl;dr: If you don't like the price of new pickups, go price new Deere paint.

[Hog Rider]

It's more of a hatchback than a truck.

Maybe the market is Millies. They wouldn't know a truck if it hit 'em.

[Buehler445]

Imagine my friend: no transmission, brakes that last forever, no injector/plug replacements.

I’m afraid they will go very light on the frame to increase range. No good on a work pickup.

Oh I know. I know very well. In theory it should be equivalent to operating a 350 NG motor to a submersible electric pump on a well.

I just don't intend to be the beta tester.

[BigBeauford]

There is no way that design as is will meet NHTSA standards. If that thing hit a pedestrian, they would be cut in half. I just hope that add a trapezoidal roof. I would be lying if I didnt say I was hoping he would pull a string, making the cardboard fall away and reveal the real truck.

[Dayze]

It is a pretty good deal after buying anything with green paint on it.

Not to go off on a rant here (for you young kids out there YouTube Dennis Miller Live), but a 40K pickup is a hell of a deal compared to a 450K Combine or 350K tractor. Sure, it's not doing the same work as those machines, but you know what a 40K pickup does do well? ****ing sensors. My pickup, which was engineered for soccer moms on paved roads that I'm driving in the field, has ECU, fuel, exhaust and all the other bullshit sensors too, except they work. Goddamned Deere (and CNH too FWIW) is engineered to be in the field and can't keep sensors running. **** that pisses me right the **** off. /rant

tl;dr: If you don't like the price of new pickups, go price new Deere paint.


LMAO

[Gravedigger]

There is no way that design as is will meet NHTSA standards. If that thing hit a pedestrian, they would be cut in half. I just hope that add a trapezoidal roof. I would be lying if I didnt say I was hoping he would pull a string, making the cardboard fall away and reveal the real truck.

I used to draw trucks like that in second grade, before I learned about aerodynamics.

[ChiliConCarnage]

If they can make a 2500 electric that does the work of my current truck I will be all over it.

Infinite torque, no maintenance, self-driving. Good lord that would be awesome.

Someday they will, I am highly skeptical of this deal.

There are 49k and 59k tier trucks that have multiple motors w/ more range and power. The 39k model is a single motor. I think self driving is a 7k Add on

[notorious]

Love Bueh’s rant on Deere gear. Every fucking farmer I know says the exact same thing.

24 row planter and ONE connection gets dusty and the whole show goes to shit. LMAO

[suzzer99]

Is there some kind of big crazy SUV out now that looks kind of like the cybertruck? I saw something on the road the other day that looked like a futuristic/speed racer vehicle. It was going the other way and I couldn't get a picture.

[Great Expectations]

If it resembled a truck at all I’d order one today.

[notorious]

If it resembled a truck at all I’d order one today.

It looks like a raised car. Pickup drivers don’t want to sit on the floor, we get in and out a lot when working.

14k towing, 77,000 for a fully loaded beast doesn’t scare me away. Just wish it was more practical in its day to day design.

[redfan]

Looks like a vehicle from the movie Megaforce. The 1982 vision of the future.

[God of Thunder]

got my deposit in!

[burt]

IT'S A UNICORN!!!!!

[Rain Man]

I read a book back in high school called Damnation Alley. I don't remember anything about the book, but I think it was one of those 'drive across an apocalyptic world' books. Apparently it was a movie at some point as well.

This truck reminds me of the vehicle a little bit, which is not a bad thing.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cb/cc/20/cbcc20c55ceda0d818aff375620f859b.jpg

[Demonpenz]

I have seen this before now where is the bitch with 3 titties

[Chief Pagan]

There are 49k and 59k tier trucks that have multiple motors w/ more range and power. The 39k model is a single motor. I think self driving is a 7k Add on

And based on the model 3, they won’t actually offer the 39 k model.

[TLO]

It looks like a rejected vehicle design from Halo.

[BlackHelicopters]

In.

[DaFace]

As with most things Tesla, I'm more excited about what this will force OTHER companies to do in reaction than I am about the Tesla truck itself. Hopefully someone else out there will be able to get close to their specs and price while bringing it at least a LITTLE closer to a traditional design.

[Demonpenz]

It looks like a rejected vehicle design from Halo.

mass effect

[Shoes]

https://inteng-storage.s3.amazonaws.com/images/sizes/nikeshoesbacktothefuture_resize_md.jpg

I heard with this new Tesla truck that the accelerator won't work unless you have the Marty McFly shoes on.

[MagicHef]

I like it.

[ModSocks]

That thing looks stoooopid.

[CasselGotPeedOn]

I can't believe people are conditioned to think 40k for a vehicle is a good deal.

Lemme guess, when you were a kid you could get a truck for a nickel?

[chinaski]

Never heard of him...

Have we signed this piece of shit yet?

[FlintHillsChiefs]

I don't know how anyone who uses a truck for anything useful aside from hauling your boat or RV can think that design is remotely close to functional.

Where do you put the toolbox, since the bed wall is so slanted? What if you need to grab something that's up at the front of the bed? In a regular truck you can just reach over - good luck with that with the Cybertruck. Feeding cows in the winter - usually one guy drives and the other sits on the bedwall and chucks the hay every 40 yards or so. Can't do that on the slanted bedwall, especially if it's wet and icy. You sideload? Gonna be a PITA. Also, why can't you have a flat roof? Sometimes it's nice to just stick your lemonade/drink up there while your digging post holes or tightening fence lines.

I do like the high clearance and no drive train though. Doing irrigation work in Utah can be hell on a normal ICE drive train when you're crossing irrigation ditches and banging your drive train on a rock all the time.

Function before form, Elon!

[BigBeauford]

I agree with the take that this is thoroughly a Gen X product. This is what every 80s movie depicted what cars of the future would look like.

[ClevelandBronco]

I like the look of it. The thing that has always bugged me about Tesla vehicles is that the damn things look like cars for no good reason.

[ModSocks]

I don't know how anyone who uses a truck for anything useful aside from hauling your boat or RV can think that design is remotely close to functional.

Where do you put the toolbox, since the bed wall is so slanted? What if you need to grab something that's up at the front of the bed? In a regular truck you can just reach over - good luck with that with the Cybertruck. Feeding cows in the winter - usually one guy drives and the other sits on the bedwall and chucks the hay every 40 yards or so. Can't do that on the slanted bedwall, especially if it's wet and icy. You sideload? Gonna be a PITA. Also, why can't you have a flat roof? Sometimes it's nice to just stick your lemonade/drink up there while your digging post holes or tightening fence lines.

I do like the high clearance and no drive train though. Doing irrigation work in Utah can be hell on a normal ICE drive train when you're crossing irrigation ditches and banging your drive train on a rock all the time.

Function before form, Elon!

Bro, it's a truck for women and retired old men. Kinda like that Honda Ridgeline thing.

[Chief Roundup]

Ugly space shit looking thing.

[srvy]

I don't know how anyone who uses a truck for anything useful aside from hauling your boat or RV can think that design is remotely close to functional.

Where do you put the toolbox, since the bed wall is so slanted? What if you need to grab something that's up at the front of the bed? In a regular truck you can just reach over - good luck with that with the Cybertruck. Feeding cows in the winter - usually one guy drives and the other sits on the bedwall and chucks the hay every 40 yards or so. Can't do that on the slanted bedwall, especially if it's wet and icy. You sideload? Gonna be a PITA. Also, why can't you have a flat roof? Sometimes it's nice to just stick your lemonade/drink up there while your digging post holes or tightening fence lines.

I do like the high clearance and no drive train though. Doing irrigation work in Utah can be hell on a normal ICE drive train when you're crossing irrigation ditches and banging your drive train on a rock all the time.

Function before form, Elon!

Yeah this is my problem with the damn thing. Its obvious Elon didn't gather any input from people who use pickup trucks for the intended purpose maybe his next generation will get it right. Does look like it would make one hell of a lunar rover though.

[DaFace]

Yeah this is my problem with the damn thing. Its obvious Elon didn't gather any input from people who use pickup trucks for the intended purpose maybe his next generation will get it right. Does look like it would make one hell of a lunar rover though.

I guess the question is whether they can eventually adapt this to be more functional. As I think about it, this thing seems more suited to people who are otherwise considering a Range Rover than people who are considering a work truck. We have just assumed this would target the latter, but it's not really that kind of "truck."

[ModSocks]

I guess the question is whether they can eventually adapt this to be more functional. As I think about it, this thing seems more suited to people who are otherwise considering a Range Rover than people who are considering a work truck. We have just assumed this would target the latter, but it's not really that kind of "truck."

Then it's not a truck, it's an SUV.

It's a truck for people who don't actually want or use a truck.

Which IMO, is really fucking bad marketing.

Now people will only talk about what it isn't instead of what it is. Which is what we're doing right now. Had they just pegged it as a Truck/SUV hybrid or an SUV i don't think there'd be as much scrutiny.

[New World Order]

Looks like something you’d drive around in Halo

[Megatron96]

Wow. That thing is not a pick-up.

I don't think Elon knows anything about the pick-up market and the people that buy them.

Plus, most of the accessories people want such as tool boxes, etc. aren't going to fit in that thing.

[TLO]

It looks like a rejected vehicle design from Halo.

Looks like something you’d drive around in Halo

.

[TLO]

From the article in the OP
And the top of the line variant, starting at $69,900, will go more than 500 miles between charges, hit 60 mph in under 60 seconds, tow up to 14,000 pounds, and start production in late 2022.

[New World Order]

.

LMAO

My bad man

[Megatron96]

Maybe that's not what the actual product will look like, so I'll reserve my final judgement on that thing.

[TLO]

LMAO

My bad man

Great minds think alike.

[Reerun_KC]

If it can pull my 5th wheel camper with a loaded trailer or boat behind it and recharge as quick as I can fill up. Then it would be worth looking into.

Needs to produce ho and torque specs of a modified 6.7 Cummins diesel. To be considered valid.

Otherwise it’s a skinny jeans, white sun glasses tribal ban tattoo dbag truck.

[suzzer99]

I think what I saw in LA is this thing: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/31/take-a-look-at-the-most-expensive-suv-in-the-world-the-karlmann-king.html

https://unstuckpolitics.com/uploads/default/original/2X/f/fcc763f317a0d79d2d7e520c4401add45de69da5.jpeg

[Deberg_1990]

Marty McFly and Doc Brown approve!

[mr. tegu]

I think what I saw in LA is this thing: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/31/take-a-look-at-the-most-expensive-suv-in-the-world-the-karlmann-king.html

https://unstuckpolitics.com/uploads/default/original/2X/f/fcc763f317a0d79d2d7e520c4401add45de69da5.jpeg


Maybe you didn’t get a good look because the stealth technology is well done. Probably lucky you saw it at all.

[Sassy Squatch]

Why are they bothering to make a truck if it's not going to be aimed at the working class?

[BWillie]

It doesn’t have a receiver hitch.

https://www.tesla.com/xNVh4yUEc3B9/06_Desktop.jpg

I don’t know how the hell this thing is hooked on, but I don’t think it’s a receiver.

https://www.tesla.com/xNVh4yUEc3B9/07_Desktop.jpg

I'm sure Elon just forgot about that. It pops our or slides out or something.

[Megatron96]

Why are they bothering to make a truck if it's not going to be aimed at the working class?

It looks like it's aimed at hipsters, gamers, posers. Kind of your new age REI member group.

[BWillie]

So Elon threw something at the windows to prove how durable they supposedly are....and they broke. LMAO LMAO

"Oh my ****ing God..."

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Elon&#39;s reaction when the window actually breaks <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cybertruck?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cybertruck</a> <a href="https://t.co/ujEh47PEHM">pic.twitter.com/ujEh47PEHM</a></p>&mdash; Pyrets (@Pyrets1) <a href="https://twitter.com/Pyrets1/status/1197734066683908097?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That was the entire point. And they have nothing to hide. On a typical vehicle, at least for the side windows, that ball would have went all the way through the windows.

The truck is ugly, no doubt, but it is a game changer especially for companies with fleets of trucks needed. The cost of ownership and value of such a truck especially with companies that understand the economics. Just so so so much value.

I was floored how cheap it is. I thought the price tag was going to be at least 80k starting out.

[BWillie]

Why are they bothering to make a truck if it's not going to be aimed at the working class?

It's easily at a working class price point? I don't understand. I think for some guy named Leroy from Harrisonville he will call it gay and stuff, but eventually they will adopt it due to the sheer value it adds to their lives. But my guess is they will really succeed in the commercial vehicle market.

[ScareCrowe]

That was the entire point. And they have nothing to hide. On a typical vehicle, at least for the side windows, that ball would have went all the way through the windows.

The truck is ugly, no doubt, but it is a game changer especially for companies with fleets of trucks needed. The cost of ownership and value of such a truck especially with companies that understand the economics. Just so so so much value.

I was floored how cheap it is. I thought the price tag was going to be at least 80k starting out.

You're right that is still impressive & does offer security as it shows that it would be very hard to smash the window & get to something or someone inside. However it sounds like they were really expecting it to bounce right off & not leave a mark.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/tesla-accidentally-busted-two-windows-045442187.html

While no one would expect most standard windows to stand up to a test like this, even Elon seemed surprised by the results. "We threw wrenches, we threw everything," he said on stage. "We even literally threw a kitchen sink at the glass, and it didn't break. For a little weird reason it broke now, I don't know why."

[St. Patty's Fire]

it looks like an N64 polygon

[notorious]

It's easily at a working class price point? I don't understand. I think for some guy named Leroy from Harrisonville he will call it gay and stuff, but eventually they will adopt it due to the sheer value it adds to their lives. But my guess is they will really succeed in the commercial vehicle market.

It has my full attention. Place my 2500 body on that drivetrain and I will have damn near the perfect work vehicle.

I will have to see how they hold value before committing since I trade in new every 2 years.

[Lzen]

Have you priced pickups lately?

30 will get you a 3 year old 30K half ton that doesn't have warranty at a LT or maybe LTZ trim package.

notorious is driving a 3/4 diesel. I don't know what trim package he had - and that definitely matters, but I'd bet he's in the neighborhood of 60K if he bought it new.

I don't mean to speak out of turn for notorious, but those are the numbers I've found.

Ok, I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying that you could buy almost 2 Chevys or whatever for that price.

[Buehler445]

Ok, I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying that you could buy almost 2 Chevys or whatever for that price.

Yeah, new 2500 Diesels are damned high dollar.

[Buehler445]

It has my full attention. Place my 2500 body on that drivetrain and I will have damn near the perfect work vehicle.

I will have to see how they hold value before committing since I trade in new every 2 years.

You better see how they hold up before you buy one.

[Lzen]

I agree with the take that this is thoroughly a Gen X product. This is what every 80s movie depicted what cars of the future would look like.

Hey, I'm Gen X and I wouldn't touch that thing with a 10 foot pole.

[Lzen]

Yeah, new 2500 Diesels are damned high dollar.

Yeah, I walk by the Ford dealership here a lot of times on morning break. It's astonishing how high some of those trucks are priced. I'll just keep my old 03 F-150 thank you very much.

[-King-]

That was the entire point. And they have nothing to hide. On a typical vehicle, at least for the side windows, that ball would have went all the way through the windows.

The truck is ugly, no doubt, but it is a game changer especially for companies with fleets of trucks needed. The cost of ownership and value of such a truck especially with companies that understand the economics. Just so so so much value.

I was floored how cheap it is. I thought the price tag was going to be at least 80k starting out.
No the window wasnt supposed to do that. And yeah it performed a lot better than any other car window, but no it wasn't supposed to crack/break like that.

[limested]

As with most things Tesla, I'm more excited about what this will force OTHER companies to do in reaction than I am about the Tesla truck itself. Hopefully someone else out there will be able to get close to their specs and price while bringing it at least a LITTLE closer to a traditional design.

https://media.rivian.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/R1TWhite_SA_StaticPS_WideLandscape_AEM04908-768x512.jpg

https://rivian.com/r1t/

[underEJ]

If there is enough room in that bed for about 4 100watt solar panels so I can stop and recharge during daylight, I guess I have found my apocalyptic bugout vehicle!

[Megatron96]

https://media.rivian.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/R1TWhite_SA_StaticPS_WideLandscape_AEM04908-768x512.jpg

https://rivian.com/r1t/

Closer to a real truck anyway. Though I hate short beds. Can't put anything in them really, can't sleep in them, a tool box would take up half of the available room, etc.

[frozenchief]

I just bought a new truck after some asshole rear-ended me and twisted the frame on my old one. I had a Toyota Tacoma. 15 years and 300,000 miles. Just got another Toyota because they are extremely reliable.

Would I have purchased the Tesla? Doubtful:

1. it's ugly as sin. I just don't like it
2. I wonder about the range
3. Electric cars do not do as well in the cold and Alaska gets cold (although not this year)
4. I wonder how Tesla as a company will do. If the company goes under, where does one get parts, service, etc.? I keep reading that they have yet to turn a profit and that makes me reluctant to buy one of their vehicles
5. I realize I'm just an old fart who doesn't trust these new-fangled things.

The concept is interesting and in a few years might be worth while but I've learned from computers that its best to wait a bit and get the bugs and kinks worked out.

[TLO]

https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2019/11/screen-shot-2019-11-22-at-11.19.26-am.jpg?quality=100&strip=info&w=338&zoom=2

[Abba-Dabba]

Wonder how much Musk is saving on production by just having to bend steel for body panels rather than truly having to tool body panels for styling? Then again material costs might make the cost savings on the simplistic design of the body moot.

[Clyde Frog]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191122/808ee9f5b6e370731cef163a8403823c.jpg

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[underEJ]

3. Electric cars do not do as well in the cold and Alaska gets cold (although not this year)


Is that true? I had a Chevy Volt and it was exceptional in cold weather, both for running well and for driving in snow and ice. Is that something for which Chevy was just more successful than other electric manufacturers?

[DaFace]

Is that true? I had a Chevy Volt and it was exceptional in cold weather, both for running well and for driving in snow and ice. Is that something for which Chevy was just more successful than other electric manufacturers?

They operate fine, but your range is usually reduced since producing heat is actually pretty battery intensive. Think electric space heater. I probably lose 20% of my range on really cold days in my Leaf.

[Great Expectations]

Batteries don’t work as well in the cold, it really just shortens the distance they can go on a charge a little. It also affected your Volt, but with the gas aspect you might not have noticed.

[underEJ]

Batteries don’t work as well in the cold, it really just shortens the distance they can go on a charge a little. It also affected your Volt, but with the gas aspect you might not have noticed.

I never had that issue at all, but maybe because it was garaged while not operating it never started out cold. Never used the gas except on road trips. It would occasionally run the gas engine itself with a message that said it had gone too long without running. Good to know though for when I do buy my electric apocalyptic bug out vehicle!

[Great Expectations]

Batteries don’t work as well in the cold, it really just shortens the distance they can go on a charge a little. It also affected your Volt, but with the gas aspect you might not have noticed.

[frozenchief]

They operate fine, but your range is usually reduced since producing heat is actually pretty battery intensive. Think electric space heater. I probably lose 20% of my range on really cold days in my Leaf.

This is my understanding. And while winters here have not been as bad the last couple of years, I have seen several winters where it did not hit 0 for weeks on end. My concern has been that even if I kept my truck in the garage (I don't*), that truck sits outside while I'm at work all day. And it doesn't take long at -30 for anything to get really cold.

*Like all good Alaskans, I have a block heater in my engine that I plug in at night. It's why you see rows of electrical outlets in pictures of Fairbanks. The plug is a little heating coil that keeps the engine block warm, or at least warm for the temperatures, so oil isn't as thick, starting is easier and the engine gets to operating temperature faster.

[Rain Man]

This is my understanding. And while winters here have not been as bad the last couple of years, I have seen several winters where it did not hit 0 for weeks on end. My concern has been that even if I kept my truck in the garage (I don't*), that truck sits outside while I'm at work all day. And it doesn't take long at -30 for anything to get really cold.

*Like all good Alaskans, I have a block heater in my engine that I plug in at night. It's why you see rows of electrical outlets in pictures of Fairbanks. The plug is a little heating coil that keeps the engine block warm, or at least warm for the temperatures, so oil isn't as thick, starting is easier and the engine gets to operating temperature faster.

If I may ask, where do you live in Alaska?

[frozenchief]

If I may ask, where do you live in Alaska?

I live in Palmer but work in Anchorage. Right now, it's wet and sloppy and can't really decide if it wants to snow or rain, which is pretty crappy.

[Rain Man]

I live in Palmer but work in Anchorage. Right now, it's wet and sloppy and can't really decide if it wants to snow or rain, which is pretty crappy.

Cool. I've only passed through Anchorage briefly, so I know little about it. The southeast peninsula seemed interesting to me, and maybe not as cold if one lived there. I find the area intriguing.

[GloryDayz]

Eh, I don't know, I think it said it had an air suspension and electric can produce torque far more efficiently than gas or diesel, braking shouldn't be a problem with an electric, as long as the frame and lugbolts and shit can hold itself together (/not an engineer), it makes good sense for a pickup. I can't make the leap for tractors, but I can get there on pickups.

At least mine, that I run in the garage at night, and 75% no payload except 700 lb or so of tools and a compressor.

If he produced an electric GMC 1500 SLT with 500 mile range, I'm there too. But I might wait for them to put a different body on it.

[frozenchief]

Cool. I've only passed through Anchorage briefly, so I know little about it. The southeast peninsula seemed interesting to me, and maybe not as cold if one lived there. I find the area intriguing.

Southeast isn't as cold, but it is far cloudier. Juneau, for example, is cloudy over 300 days a year. I've been to Juneau more times than I can count, and I think it is gorgeous and I love the people but I also think I'd have a hard time living there.

Right now is generally a cloudy time of year. Seems that by mid January it starts getting a lot sunnier, but the low-lying clouds aren't around to keep in heat so it actually get colder as it gets sunnier. But a bright sunny day with lots of fresh new snow is a great day. And the nights with the aurora spread out against the sky and the stars seem so close that you want to reach up and pluck them from the sky? Can't get it anywhere else.

[carcosa]

Elon Musk sucks lol

[Buehler445]

If he produced an electric GMC 1500 SLT with 500 mile range, I'm there too. But I might wait for them to put a different body on it.

Eh, I'm not huge on the 19 bodies, so whatever. I don't really care about how "cool" things are. I'm very much a value guy. Factors that affect my value calculation:

1. Reliability - Fat boy doesn't do downtime. Especially during the busy season.

2. Functionality - Speaks for itself. I have a toolbox, a set of drawers in the cab, and a compressor. I'm to the point where I really can't do without any of it.

3. Maintenance - I do enough maintenance on machines that actually make me money. I'm not jumping up and down to do more.

4. Cost per mile - both on operation and trade

[Buehler445]

I live in Palmer but work in Anchorage. Right now, it's wet and sloppy and can't really decide if it wants to snow or rain, which is pretty crappy.

I would pay material dollars to get wet and sloppy around here.

[Chief Roundup]

https://media.rivian.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/R1TWhite_SA_StaticPS_WideLandscape_AEM04908-768x512.jpg

https://rivian.com/r1t/

They have already had trouble with this in testing. When they went through wet roads they had motor and connection failures. When they went through creeks or areas with 6" to 8" of water they had battery failure. Although what do you expect from a Ford backed vehicle.

[Megatron96]

They have already had trouble with this in testing. When they went through wet roads they had motor and connection failures. When they went through creeks or areas with 6" to 8" of water they had battery failure. Although what do you expect from a Ford backed vehicle.

And this is why electric pick ups are empirically stupid.

[MahiMike]

What makes it cyber?

[DaFace]

What makes it cyber?Branding.

[KCTitus]

What makes it cyber?

what makes it a truck?

[Chief Roundup]

What makes it cyber?

Uh, the character of the truck is that is all electric from the batteries, servos, motors that are on every level of the vehicle from propulsion and steering to the gauge cluster and entertainment all of which is controlled by at least one computer making millions of decisions every second.

[stevieray]

Lemme guess, when you were a kid you could get a truck for a nickel?

$2500

just like most of the muscle cars, too.

[Rain Man]

What makes it cyber?

It sends filthy texts to your spouse while you're driving.

[BWillie]

Is that true? I had a Chevy Volt and it was exceptional in cold weather, both for running well and for driving in snow and ice. Is that something for which Chevy was just more successful than other electric manufacturers?

Absolutely. I have a Model S and the efficiency of the battery is reduced up to 25% in the winter. But if you have a long range 500 mile battery that is still more than enough distance, and even more distance than you can go in most trucks on a tank of gas.

Much better efficiency in the summer and on longer trips in my experience.

[Baby Lee]

Does the camping edition come with 3 seashells in lieu of toilet paper?

[vailpass]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/Ford?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Ford</a> spokesman&#39;s response ⤵️ <a href="https://t.co/lNyVkBaFm6">https://t.co/lNyVkBaFm6</a></p>&mdash; Michael Martinez (@MikeMartinez_AN) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeMartinez_AN/status/1197735486304989186?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[ljmhawk]

$2500

just like most of the muscle cars, too.

my dad bought a brand new 1970 Dodge Challenger for $3,300 and it came with A/C. vehicles prices now are outrageous. and good luck finding an excellent used truck under $20k

[WhawhaWhat]

my dad bought a brand new 1970 Dodge Challenger for $3,300 and it came with A/C. vehicles prices now are outrageous. and good luck finding an excellent used truck under $20k

$3300 in 1970 adjusted for inflation is about $23,000 in 2019. A base level Dodge Challenger in 2019 costs around $23,000.

[Chief Roundup]

$3300 in 1970 adjusted for inflation is about $23,000 in 2019. A base level Dodge Challenger in 2019 costs around $23,000.

Yeah the V6 model. That is not apples to apples comparison.

[stevieray]

Yeah the V6 model. That is not apples to apples comparison.

Doesn't even count wages not keeping up with prices.

[lewdog]

Doesn't even count wages not keeping up with prices.

Biggest reason cars have crazy price tags is that everyone is ok taking out a huge loan to buy a new vehicle. These 6 and 7 year loans have increased base prices of new cars because many Americans just think these loans are normal now.

[Chief Roundup]

Biggest reason cars have crazy price tags is that everyone is ok taking out a huge loan to buy a new vehicle. These 6 and 7 year loans have increased base prices as cars because many Americans just think that's normal now.

No, it is because they got the huge bail out and then once they had paid back the loans they never brought the prices back down to the normal range.

[lewdog]

No, it is because they got the huge bail out and then once they had paid back the loans they never brought the prices back down to the normal range.

But mostly because many Americans are ok with having car payments that are as much as their mortgage. Why have lower prices if people are ok just taking loans for the price you're asking? The consumer has let car prices get crazy in the last decade.

[Eleazar]

But mostly because many Americans are ok with having car payments that are as much as their mortgage. Why have lower prices if people are ok just taking loans for the price you're asking? The consumer has let car prices get crazy in the last decade.


Yeah, that's definitely true. You wouldn't have been able to sell a lot of $50,000 trucks before these extended loan terms came about. But now that people are stretching them out to 72 or 84 (!) months, they think "Well $800-900 a month isn't so bad..."

Dude, you're going to buy a $50,000 truck and end up paying like $75,000

[stevieray]

Yeah, that's definitely true. You wouldn't have been able to sell a lot of $50,000 trucks before these extended loan terms came about. But now that people are stretching them out to 72 or 84 (!) months, they think "Well $800-900 a month isn't so bad..."

Dude, you're going to buy a $50,000 truck and end up paying like $75,000

let alone the insurance....


I haven't had a car payment since 2006.

Good friend of mine leased a sweet GMC truck..time to return the truck, wanted to give him a lesser model on the new lease for what you quoted. Eight bones. Bought a 2015 Mercedes from an older gentleman with 27k.

It's obscene. Houses used to be these prices.

[neech]

Biggest reason cars have crazy price tags is that everyone is ok taking out a huge loan to buy a new vehicle. These 6 and 7 year loans have increased base prices of new cars because many Americans just think these loans are normal now.

That's true, and 500-800 dollars on up are normal payments a month.

[stevieray]

That's true, and 500-800 dollars on up are normal payments a month.

Most people can't afford that.

Or can they?

:shrug:

[GloryDayz]

What makes it cyber?

Built-in bluetooth. Jut like my current truck..

[neech]

Most people can't afford that.

Or can they?

:shrug:

I hate to ask anyone what they are paying a month for those vehicles, its not my money they can look all nice and pretty driving down the road for all i care,
I suppose someone in the industry can give more input on the money side of that.

[lewdog]

Most people can't afford that.

Or can they?

:shrug:

If by affording you mean having a shit ton of credit card debt for your monthly other purchases and little to no savings, than yes.

[Otter]

Now the Rezvani has someone to butt rape

https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/chris-brown-buys-himself-350k-rezvani-tank_4.jpg

[GloryDayz]

Now the Rezvani has someone to butt rape



https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/chris-brown-buys-himself-350k-rezvani-tank_4.jpgIs that a truck or SUV?

[stevieray]

If by affording you mean having a shit ton of credit card debt for your monthly other purchases and little to no savings, than yes.

:doh!:

[Otter]

Is that a truck or SUV?

I'd go with SUV.

[notorious]

My 2016 and 2019 2500 diesels end up being within 1-2 cents per mile of a 5-10 year old used pickup when I trade in.

I used to use older vehicles for work, but the repairs and downtime killed me. Find out brand new vehicles cost roughly the same without the problems when it’s all said and done.

You just have to get over the initial cost, negotiate smartly, and pay it off in at the most 2 years.

This is for business using write offs. Anyone that doesn’t have that ability is going to get CRUSHED when it comes to value. Buy used if you work for someone else.

[rtmike]

How else do you integrate those solar panels without making it look like ass?

[-King-]

Biggest reason cars have crazy price tags is that everyone is ok taking out a huge loan to buy a new vehicle. These 6 and 7 year loans have increased base prices of new cars because many Americans just think these loans are normal now.
Yeah it's fucking weird how people are ok with 6 years or more of car payments. But people treat car payments as basically just another bill like an electric or gas bill. It's crazy.

[Eleazar]

let alone the insurance....


I haven't had a car payment since 2006.

Good friend of mine leased a sweet GMC truck..time to return the truck, wanted to give him a lesser model on the new lease for what you quoted. Eight bones. Bought a 2015 Mercedes from an older gentleman with 27k.

It's obscene. Houses used to be these prices.


Indeed... we also practice 'if we can't pay today then we can't afford it', including with cars. We've still got nice cars.

[BWillie]

Doesn't even count wages not keeping up with prices.

Actually...the opposite is true.

https://camestrosfelapton.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/usrealgdp.png

[HonestChieffan]

Another "truck" for the Overland Park farmers.

[-King-]

Actually...the opposite is true.

https://camestrosfelapton.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/usrealgdp.png

What exactly do you think that chart shows?

[BWillie]

What exactly do you think that chart shows?

Real GDP per capita is a measurement of the total economic output of a country divided by the number of people and adjusted for inflation. It's used to compare the standard of living between countries and over time.

[-King-]

Real GDP per capita is a measurement of the total economic output of a country divided by the number of people and adjusted for inflation. It's used to compare the standard of living between countries and over time.

Prices of things especially vehicles have still gone up by a larger factor than wages have.

[Buehler445]

My 2016 and 2019 2500 diesels end up being within 1-2 cents per mile of a 5-10 year old used pickup when I trade in.

I used to use older vehicles for work, but the repairs and downtime killed me. Find out brand new vehicles cost roughly the same without the problems when it’s all said and done.

You just have to get over the initial cost, negotiate smartly, and pay it off in at the most 2 years.

This is for business using write offs. Anyone that doesn’t have that ability is going to get CRUSHED when it comes to value. Buy used if you work for someone else.
I managed to keep my older ones up and running, but I've figured out the same thing.

I used to try to get 2-3 year old ones with 30K miles and let someone else eat the big depreciation and dumping them before they get to 100K. But if you assume a new one and the used will be worth the same money at 90,000 miles, they came out to the penny on a $/mile basis. And you get warranty with a new one.

Now, I managed to find a 4 year old one with 8K miles that I was able to get the cost per mile down some so that's what I'm currently driving, but barring uncovering any other barely driven used vehicles, I'm probably going the new route next time.

Now on our personal vehicle, wife is driving a 5 year old rig.

[Deberg_1990]

But mostly because many Americans are ok with having car payments that are as much as their mortgage. Why have lower prices if people are ok just taking loans for the price you're asking? The consumer has let car prices get crazy in the last decade.

Saw a commercial the other day for a Lincoln Navigator.

They emphasized the price as $72,000 or $849 a month as if it was some sort of bargain.

:facepalm:

[aturnis]

If there is enough room in that bed for about 4 100watt solar panels so I can stop and recharge during daylight, I guess I have found my apocalyptic bugout vehicle!Sounds like they'll offer a version where the "vault" tonneau cover has solar and can get you an additional 15 miles per day.

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[aturnis]

Is that true? I had a Chevy Volt and it was exceptional in cold weather, both for running well and for driving in snow and ice. Is that something for which Chevy was just more successful than other electric manufacturers?No. It's the inherent nature of liquid battery cells. Operate best in the low 70's.

I'm not sure that will be an issue for the truck as I'm not sure they plan on using either the 18650 or 2170 cell architectures and seem to be on the verge of commercializing their own solid state batteries, which the cold wouldn't affect nearly as much.

The beauty is that even if it is an issue, with the 500+ like range, you'll still get 400+ miles per charge and recharge should be even faster than the Model 3 with all that battery to take the charge.

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[DaFace]

Sounds like they'll offer a version where the "vault" tonneau cover has solar and can get you an additional 15 miles per day.

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[aturnis]

Eh, I'm not huge on the 19 bodies, so whatever. I don't really care about how "cool" things are. I'm very much a value guy. Factors that affect my value calculation:



1. Reliability - Fat boy doesn't do downtime. Especially during the busy season.



2. Functionality - Speaks for itself. I have a toolbox, a set of drawers in the cab, and a compressor. I'm to the point where I really can't do without any of it.



3. Maintenance - I do enough maintenance on machines that actually make me money. I'm not jumping up and down to do more.



4. Cost per mile - both on operation and trade

1. It's an electric vehicle so it's defacto more reliable than any trick you can buy. No belts, pulleys, transmission, oils/fluids, spark plugs etc.

Just battery and motor. As long as you have good connection and no pieces of metal stabbed through the battery, you should be good.

2. Shouldn't need a toolbox aside from the organization aspect of it all as the tonneau bed cover is aluminum and you can walk all over it. Your stuff should be secure just in the bed.

It's also got built-in 110/220v outlets and air compressor utility ports from the dynamically adjustable air suspension.

3.Windshield wiper blades and tires. Maybe some grease for the suspension. Only other things would be the glycol or whatever they run through the thermal management system but they generally take care of that at this point.

Model 3 recommended maintenance schedule is every 2 years for reference.

4. It's a 2500 for $40k.

3500lb payload
14,000lb towing
16 inch ground clearance(4 inch adjustable)
Probably near limitless torque etc

Maintenance is essentially 0, and $18-$24 to get your full 500 miles of range.

There's literally no economic case against it.

There is though, a lot of "it's not a real truck" bs floating in here but so far the only legitimate complaint I hear is "you can't sit on slanted bed rails".

Honestly, what couldn't this truck do? If anything, this is more capable than a 2500 with unknown utility yet to be add through software updates.

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[aturnis]

15 doesn't sound worth the cost and trouble to me.Agreed. It's for the "why don't they just..." crowd and preppers.

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[aturnis]

They have already had trouble with this in testing. When they went through wet roads they had motor and connection failures. When they went through creeks or areas with 6" to 8" of water they had battery failure. Although what do you expect from a Ford backed vehicle.I hadn't heard this, but won't be an issue for Tesla. Especially with those big tires. Tesla's float bitch!

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2016/06/20/tesla-model-s-swims-through-flooded-tunnel.html



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[aturnis]

And this is why electric pick ups are empirically stupid.It'll only be as good as who's building it.

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[aturnis]

Branding.Obviously there's the cyberpunk aesthetic, but I'm pretty sure the target customer for the Cybertruck uses the Tesla Network.

Pretty sure the truck was built for the network:

Stainless steel exterior that won't show dents and scraped paint of the fleet. Will basically last forever.

Wire wheel cleans anything.

All the important stuff is a part of the skateboard anyway. Which is about as unbelievably robust as cellphones sometimes are. So if the battery or drivetrain goes, just outfit with the latest and greatest skateboard. Body is fine. Stainless steel and all.

Has large comfortable seats for 6 large adults with front and center 17" media hub with Netflix, Hulu, YouTube, videogames etc etc

They call the bed "the vault", a lockable aluminum rollup security door that a guy can jump on.

Lockable frunk

Lockable bed rail storage

The thing is built to solve for a lot of problems. 6.5" x 4.5" bed, frunk etc, all the lockable storage plus uber xl, black level bullet proof passenger compartment. If made autonomous can make money on fairs all day and drop packages while in the vicinity of the recipient at literally any location.

It greatly increases the value of each mile driven while substantially reducing cost to operate. It's a logistics machine, I love it.

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[Bob Dole]

Without wading through the entire thread, is it 4WD? I don't give a shit what thw torque is if it only hits 2 wheels.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Musk is crazy
Like bat shit crazy
That is not a truck and I hope he is on the maiden voyage trip to mars

[Chief Roundup]

Without wading through the entire thread, is it 4WD? I don't give a shit what thw torque is if it only hits 2 wheels.

Either way depending on the money you spend.

[DaFace]

Without wading through the entire thread, is it 4WD? I don't give a shit what thw torque is if it only hits 2 wheels.Optional AWD, yes.

[Megatron96]

It'll only be as good as who's building it.

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This is true. But you're all in and the thing hasn't hit the road yet. New models of any vehicle tend to have issues. Even Toyotas. And lithium batteries don't do so well when banged, rattled and vibrated heavily for hours at a time. And then there's the wiring/connections etc., that would have to put up with all of that as well. Never mind what would happen if the battery case cracked while you were driving through a 3-foot deep stream.

And I've seen first-hand what happens if a lithium battery gets smacked too hard.

So I'll wait and see what that thing does when you get it out say on the Rubicon Trail or Imogene Pass, or even just up the Deer Creek Trail on Boulder Mountain before considering that thing a real pick-up.

[BWillie]

Without wading through the entire thread, is it 4WD? I don't give a shit what thw torque is if it only hits 2 wheels.

If it has more than one motor its going to be 4 wheel drive.

[aturnis]

It comes in RWD, Dual Motor AWD, or a tri motor setup, probably the plaid powertrain they're currently developing. They say 0-60 in 2.9.

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[srvy]

Musk is crazy
Like bat shit crazy
That is not a truck and I hope he is on the maiden voyage trip to mars

LMAO

https://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2016/09/03/16f75ea3-5651-4538-893b-a56fd52f607d/090216-blowup.jpg

[aturnis]

This is true. But you're all in and the thing hasn't hit the road yet. New models of any vehicle tend to have issues. Even Toyotas. And lithium batteries don't do so well when banged, rattled and vibrated heavily for hours at a time. And then there's the wiring/connections etc., that would have to put up with all of that as well. Never mind what would happen if the battery case cracked while you were driving through a 3-foot deep stream.



And I've seen first-hand what happens if a lithium battery gets smacked too hard.



So I'll wait and see what that thing does when you get it out say on the Rubicon Trail or Imogene Pass, or even just up the Deer Creek Trail on Boulder Mountain before considering that thing a real pick-up.They've got their tech pretty dialed in. The battery is armored from the bottom and sides. Not sure if they go with the stainless they covered the car with or the usual titanium.

The 35 degree approach angle, 28 degree departure angle and 16" ground clearance won't hurt either.

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[lewdog]

Great, Telsa fanboy has shown up to ruin this thread.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

They've got their tech pretty dialed in. The battery is armored from the bottom and sides. Not sure if they go with the stainless they covered the car with or the usual titanium.

The 35 degree approach angle, 28 degree departure angle and 16" ground clearance won't hurt either.

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That's fine
F -N Musk is still bat shit cray cray
Approach angles n' all
Just dont throw rocks at the side windows

[DaFace]

That's fine

F -N Musk is still bat shit cray cray

Approach angles n' all

Just dont throw rocks at the side windowsTo be fair, there's not a car out there with windows that would have taken that hit. Their problem was making a big deal out of it as if it were a compelling feature in the first place. It's not like most people need a window that can take a bullet.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

To be fair, there's not a car out there with windows that would have taken that hit. Their problem was making a big deal out of it as if it were a compelling feature in the first place. It's not like most people need a window that can take a bullet.
First- promoted as "such"

Second -Tell that to the peeps who live in Crenshaw.....
FWIW most are still Faider fans

[Marcellus]

No, it is because they got the huge bail out and then once they had paid back the loans they never brought the prices back down to the normal range.

No it's because unions along with bad Managment created the stupid cost and the crisis.

They paid back the bail out money with interest ahead of schedule so no idea why people still bitch about it.

[Marcellus]

It comes in RWD, Dual Motor AWD, or a tri motor setup, probably the plaid powertrain they're currently developing. They say 0-60 in 2.9.

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How many miles that battery last while towing 6,000lbs? 100 miles is my guess.

[srvy]

To be fair, there's not a car out there with windows that would have taken that hit. Their problem was making a big deal out of it as if it were a compelling feature in the first place. It's not like most people need a window that can take a bullet.

The Beast.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/03/01/22/3DDAD00A00000578-0-Donald_Trump_s_bomb_proof_limo_has_been_designed_to_survive_a_mi-m-10_1488406388904.jpg

[TLO]

How many miles that battery last while towing 6,000lbs? 100 miles is my guess.

I'd guess that 9/10 of these things will be sold to people living in major metropolitan cities who never tow anything.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Fly me to the moon .....

[aturnis]

How many miles that battery last while towing 6,000lbs? 100 miles is my guess.300-400 I bet. Worst case, big load in winter, I bet you're looking at 250mi from the 500mi battery pack. More than enough to get supercharger to supercharger.

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[Perineum Ripper]

How many miles that battery last while towing 6,000lbs? 100 miles is my guess.

The YouTube channel, The Fast Lane Car, towed a little overland camper with the Tesla SUV. I think the trailer was just a few thousand pounds, it completely skull fucked the range. I can’t remember exactly but it was something crazy, the SUV normal range is 300 miles(?) and it sucked it down to 100(?).

[DaFace]

I'd guess that 9/10 of these things will be sold to people living in major metropolitan cities who never tow anything.Yeah, as I said earlier in the thread, this thing's target market has to be Land Rover people. It's definitely not a work truck in its current form.

[Perineum Ripper]

Here is the SUB towing I mentioned



https://www.tflcar.com/2019/09/a-tesla-model-x-cant-tow-cross-country-watch-us-try-and-fail/

[aturnis]

The most experienced tower I've seen gets about 200 mi from a 295 mi battery pack towing a 3800lb camper and everything inside to live. Worst case they got pushed to 150 I believe.

Think my estimates line up pretty well percentage wise.

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[aturnis]

Yeah, as I said earlier in the thread, this thing's target market has to be Land Rover people. It's definitely not a work truck in its current form.I dunno. I work for a living and I don't see any reason it's not a superior work truck, especially from a fleet owners financial perspective.

Near limitless life on the body

All the utility of a 2500

Best driver safety assistance system in the world

GPS nav and search

Always on LTE connection likely to eventually go on crazy fast SpaceX satellite network

Incredibly well written software purpose written for specific tasks by mining loads of data for information

1/4 the fuel cost

Maintenance costs nearly gone entirely

With the tailgate down it'll handle 4x8 plywood laid flat with room to spare

Entire bed covered with t slot bolt channels and various other tie down points.

110v/220v outlets

Built in air compressor with utility ports

This is all standard and with almost no knowledge of the storage potential of the main cabin, frunk or rear bed rails.

If they solve full self driving, and laws change to suit, your employees can complete paperwork, schedule, answer email and texts, coordinate plans and orders/deliveries while traveling.

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[Buehler445]

1. It's an electric vehicle so it's defacto more reliable than any trick you can buy. No belts, pulleys, transmission, oils/fluids, spark plugs etc.

Just battery and motor. As long as you have good connection and no pieces of metal stabbed through the battery, you should be good.

2. Shouldn't need a toolbox aside from the organization aspect of it all as the tonneau bed cover is aluminum and you can walk all over it. Your stuff should be secure just in the bed.

It's also got built-in 110/220v outlets and air compressor utility ports from the dynamically adjustable air suspension.

3.Windshield wiper blades and tires. Maybe some grease for the suspension. Only other things would be the glycol or whatever they run through the thermal management system but they generally take care of that at this point.

Model 3 recommended maintenance schedule is every 2 years for reference.

4. It's a 2500 for $40k.

3500lb payload
14,000lb towing
16 inch ground clearance(4 inch adjustable)
Probably near limitless torque etc

Maintenance is essentially 0, and $18-$24 to get your full 500 miles of range.

There's literally no economic case against it.

There is though, a lot of "it's not a real truck" bs floating in here but so far the only legitimate complaint I hear is "you can't sit on slanted bed rails".

Honestly, what couldn't this truck do? If anything, this is more capable than a 2500 with unknown utility yet to be add through software updates.

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I forgot you were the Tesla ballwasher around here.

1. Look dude. I am fully apprised of the maintenance benefits of electric vs internal combustion. Notorious and I were straight giddy at the prospect. I get it. But there is 0% chance I'm going to be the beta test for this shit on the farm. None. I have a program I get along with with gassers. I don't need to be the guy that figures out what they need to re-engineer. And to pretend these things are going to be perfect with serial number 001 is straight up intergallactically stupid.

2. Says the dude that has never used tools. Suggesting that a guy with a shitload of tools needed in the field should just throw them in the bed is also...you guessed it...intergallactically stupid.

I don't carry a generator, so I don't much care about the 110/220. As far as the air, I'm 99.99999999% sure it won't be enough to do any real good. We have compressors on all the semis for suspensions to hold up 100K lb and they don't move near enough CFM to do any real good. There is no way a compressor for a tiny little pickup suspension is going to do anything substantial. They just wouldn't pull that many amps from the drivetrain to do it.

3. I run a whole fuckload of electrical shit on the farm. None of it is maintenance free completely. Although if Musk gets the engineering right, it should be relatively worry free.

4. Yeah. I read the specs. We'll see. Like I said, if it delivers, I'm all over it like stink on shit. But we'll see.

[aturnis]

I forgot you were the Tesla ballwasher around here.

1. Look dude. I am fully apprised of the maintenance benefits of electric vs internal combustion. Notorious and I were straight giddy at the prospect. I get it. But there is 0% chance I'm going to be the beta test for this shit on the farm. None. I have a program I get along with with gassers. I don't need to be the guy that figures out what they need to re-engineer. And to pretend these things are going to be perfect with serial number 001 is straight up intergallactically stupid.

2. Says the dude that has never used tools. Suggesting that a guy with a shitload of tools needed in the field should just throw them in the bed is also...you guessed it...intergallactically stupid.

I don't carry a generator, so I don't much care about the 110/220. As far as the air, I'm 99.99999999% sure it won't be enough to do any real good. We have compressors on all the semis for suspensions to hold up 100K lb and they don't move near enough CFM to do any real good. There is no way a compressor for a tiny little pickup suspension is going to do anything substantial. They just wouldn't pull that many amps from the drivetrain to do it.

3. I run a whole fuckload of electrical shit on the farm. None of it is maintenance free completely. Although if Musk gets the engineering right, it should be relatively worry free.

4. Yeah. I read the specs. We'll see. Like I said, if it delivers, I'm all over it like stink on shit. But we'll see.

2. I build giant buildings for a living with my own hands and get paid well to use both my back and my brain.

I'm well versed in work. I've been down in mudholes for days fighting the frost and cored 5" holes through 3' thick concrete walls. Never met a problem I can't get solved.

I appreciate the mutual respect though.[emoji6]

3. I understand you run electrical equipment. I do too! I install it as well. This isn't that level of engineering though. We aren't talking about a lift with dumb electrical circuitry with the only think protecting their connections being a rubber boot maybe.


These are ultra geeks who have the resources of SpaceX to lean on with a guy who's smart enough to understand good ideas and bad ones controlling the purse strings.

I've done work in the ISU Skunk works for JD at BRF outside of Ames, I've been all over the U of I and it's engineering spaces. They aren't anything compared to this.

Don't get me wrong, they're great, brilliant people who do great work, but they can only work within the freedom their given and the only great ideas they can chase are the ones that someone sees as achievable in the short term with nothing deemed "impossible" on the table.

There's a guy named Sandy Monroe, who owns a engineering consult firm that tears apart automobiles, heavy equipment, military vehicles you name it, depends on the customer. He says the $35k Model 3 has military fighter plane level electronics.

In other words, you're lift/tractor etc etc needs service. A Tesla skateboard is more like a cellphone with most all components contained in a strong flat rectangular box that is basically waterproof.

Now, your phone or tablet almost never needs servicing. My android is subject to all the dirt/dust metal and wood shavings tossing in my pockets all day and sometimes I have to pound dirt or pull metal shavings out of ports/holes at the end of the day. It handles falls, water, heat, cold. Still, runs without fail.

That's what a Tesla skateboard is. Self contained. Strong as all hell, best crash safety in the industry. Dust/waterproof to some degree. Waterproof enough to float for awhile at least.

Examples of reasons they are better are countless, but one example is in simplifying complex machines by deleting things you don't really need. Tesla is great at getting rid of shit you don't need and still making the product better.

For instance, a typical car has about 1 mile of copper cabling in it. The Model 3 got that down to about 1500 meters(?) from the 3000 meters in the Model S. Good, but now all future Tesla cars should be built with less than 300' I'd cabling. Not only did that simplify manufacturing and make the car lighter, but using a communications network similar to what you'd find in a Siemens HVAC network or a class A fire alarm circuit, two way, fully redundant ring type network communication, you can sever a cable and keep going. Lose a motor too? No worry, you've got one or two more.

If you think a possible customer target for this thing isn't the military you're crazy.

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[aturnis]

Here is the SUB towing I mentioned



https://www.tflcar.com/2019/09/a-tesla-model-x-cant-tow-cross-country-watch-us-try-and-fail/I'll admittedly greet this with a bit of skepticism. Gearheads are notorious for lying/cheating to make Tesla look bad.

Top Gear did it by pretending the car ran out of juice and they had to push it, and recently Porsche did so by racing their Taycan against it and "beating it" while it was in a mode reserved to deliver maximum range efficiency, not performance.

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[Buehler445]

2. I build giant buildings for a living with my own hands and get paid well to use both my back and my brain.

I'm well versed in work. I've been down in mudholes for days fighting the frost and cored 5" holes through 3' thick concrete walls. Never met a problem I can't get solved.

I appreciate the mutual respect though.[emoji6]

3. I understand you run electrical equipment. I do too! I install it as well. This isn't that level of engineering though. We aren't talking about a lift with dumb electrical circuitry with the only think protecting their connections being a rubber boot maybe.


These are ultra geeks who have the resources of SpaceX to lean on with a guy who's smart enough to understand good ideas and bad ones controlling the purse strings.

I've done work in the ISU Skunk works for JD at BRF outside of Ames, I've been all over the U of I and it's engineering spaces. They aren't anything compared to this.

Don't get me wrong, they're great, brilliant people who do great work, but they can only work within the freedom their given and the only great ideas they can chase are the ones that someone sees as achievable in the short term with nothing deemed "impossible" on the table.

There's a guy named Sandy Monroe, who owns a engineering consult firm that tears apart automobiles, heavy equipment, military vehicles you name it, depends on the customer. He says the $35k Model 3 has military fighter plane level electronics.

In other words, you're lift/tractor etc etc needs service. A Tesla skateboard is more like a cellphone with most all components contained in a strong flat rectangular box that is basically waterproof.

Now, your phone or tablet almost never needs servicing. My android is subject to all the dirt/dust metal and wood shavings tossing in my pockets all day and sometimes I have to pound dirt or pull metal shavings out of ports/holes at the end of the day. It handles falls, water, heat, cold. Still, runs without fail.

That's what a Tesla skateboard is. Self contained. Strong as all hell, best crash safety in the industry. Dust/waterproof to some degree. Waterproof enough to float for awhile at least.

Examples of reasons they are better are countless, but one example is in simplifying complex machines by deleting things you don't really need. Tesla is great at getting rid of shit you don't need and still making the product better.

For instance, a typical car has about 1 mile of copper cabling in it. The Model 3 got that down to about 1500 meters(?) from the 3000 meters in the Model S. Good, but now all future Tesla cars should be built with less than 300' I'd cabling. Not only did that simplify manufacturing and make the car lighter, but using a communications network similar to what you'd find in a Siemens HVAC network or a class A fire alarm circuit, two way, fully redundant ring type network communication, you can sever a cable and keep going. Lose a motor too? No worry, you've got one or two more.

If you think a possible customer target for this thing isn't the military you're crazy.

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2. For anyone that uses tools regularly, throwing them in the back of your pickup is just dumb. Especially as much shit as I have in mine.

3. I'm willing to roll with the engineering. I'll be the first to admit that Deere's electrical is shit. It boggles the mind that it's so poor. If they can get the electrical working like Deere's mechanical, I'll be good.

But let's not pretend like they're without problems. I don't follow Tesla very closely at all, but a 5 second google search yielded a lot of shit. That's just the top 3. All from 2019.

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/tesla-model-3-loses-cr-recommendation-over-reliability-issues/

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/10/business/tesla-elon-musk-outlook.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-fixing-quality-issues-nearly-5000-model-3-owners-say-2019-10

Like I said, if they deliver, I'll probably be on it. There are a lot of things there that would fit right in, you know, as long as they do shit like a receiver hitch and shit.

[Molitoth]

Like Musk and other companies aren't going to design a toolbox to fit in the back of these trucks...

[Megatron96]

Like Musk and other companies aren't going to design a toolbox to fit in the back of these trucks...

So an owner's only option will be a Tesla toolbox. Which will still be a pain to access with those silly slanted bed rails.

[Demonpenz]

how are the mexicans I pick up at home depot supposed to sit on those bed rails when i hire them to put on a roof and pay them in Wendy's hamburgers

[TribalElder]

Only musktards believe this thing is anything besides a giant piece of shit

They posted a video of this pulling a 2wd f150 backwards

[aturnis]

Only musktards believe this thing is anything besides a giant piece of shit

They posted a video of this pulling a 2wd f150 backwardsHopefully we get to find out.

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[Chief Roundup]

https://www.barstoolsports.com/iowa/elon-musks-net-worth-dropped-768-million-dollars-after-the-disastrous-cybertruck-unveiling?fbclid=IwAR3uRjvojWP8BeVEWG6SEX65OjwLK-ierB0Pd0V-m_Tb-yCnPEXxFPCQGfM

According to Forbes, Tesla share price fell about 6 percent following the Cybertruck debut; this caused Musk’s net worth to drop to $768 million, leaving him with $23.6 billion.

[DaFace]

https://www.barstoolsports.com/iowa/elon-musks-net-worth-dropped-768-million-dollars-after-the-disastrous-cybertruck-unveiling?fbclid=IwAR3uRjvojWP8BeVEWG6SEX65OjwLK-ierB0Pd0V-m_Tb-yCnPEXxFPCQGfM

According to Forbes, Tesla share price fell about 6 percent following the Cybertruck debut; this caused Musk’s net worth to drop to $768 million, leaving him with $23.6 billion.

I really despise articles like that. While factually true, he gains or loses millions of dollars every day. I've circled the drop they're talking about. It's hardly even notable compared to the long-term fluctuations.

https://i.imgur.com/NC2rRdE.png

[MagicHef]

Hopefully we get to find out.

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Apparently not, Ford backed out:

"However, when asked if Tesla had reached out to Ford to set up a competition, a Ford spokeswoman said "Sunny’s tweet was tongue in cheek to point out the absurdity of Tesla’s video, nothing more.""

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/ford-no-tesla-cybertruck-tug-of-war-rematch

[notorious]

https://www.businessinsider.com/electric-ford-f150-prototype-towed-a-million-pounds-2019-7

Heh, Ford has a NORMAL functioning electric truck.

If Chevy/Dodge/Ford builds a normal pickup that has an electric power train Tesla can get fucked.

[Rain Man]

https://www.barstoolsports.com/iowa/elon-musks-net-worth-dropped-768-million-dollars-after-the-disastrous-cybertruck-unveiling?fbclid=IwAR3uRjvojWP8BeVEWG6SEX65OjwLK-ierB0Pd0V-m_Tb-yCnPEXxFPCQGfM

According to Forbes, Tesla share price fell about 6 percent following the Cybertruck debut; this caused Musk’s net worth to drop to $768 million, leaving him with $23.6 billion.

Less publicized, but far more important, it lowered my net worth by a couple hundred bucks.

[DaFace]

https://www.businessinsider.com/electric-ford-f150-prototype-towed-a-million-pounds-2019-7

Heh, Ford has a NORMAL functioning electric truck.

If Chevy/Dodge/Ford builds a normal pickup that has an electric power train Tesla can get fucked.

I watched a couple of videos on Tesla's truck that made a good point (even if I don't think people like you will be interested in it in its current form). If Tesla had released a truck that looks pretty much like every other truck, it's pretty unlikely ANYONE would buy it. Ford F150 people would likely keep buying Ford F150s (or the electric equivalent). Dodge Ram people would likely keep buying Dodge Rams. Truck buyers are notoriously loyal, so it's just plain unlikely that anyone who has driven a certain model of truck for years is going to change to a Tesla all of a sudden.

By going completely different, they'll appeal to a DIFFERENT audience in the beginning, allowing them to showcase what their version can do. In the future, if they decide to tone it down, they'll have a reputation to go off of and perhaps have more of a chance of convincing people.

So in short, this model isn't for traditional truck buyers because traditional truck buyers probably wouldn't have considered a Tesla anyway. By going so different on the look, though, you'll start to temper your concerns over time after seeing them popping up all over the place. In theory.

It's a very different approach, but it does make some sense.

[Buehler445]

I watched a couple of videos on Tesla's truck that made a good point (even if I don't think people like you will be interested in it in its current form). If Tesla had released a truck that looks pretty much like every other truck, it's pretty unlikely ANYONE would buy it. Ford F150 people would likely keep buying Ford F150s (or the electric equivalent). Dodge Ram people would likely keep buying Dodge Rams. Truck buyers are notoriously loyal, so it's just plain unlikely that anyone who has driven a certain model of truck is going to change to a Tesla all of a sudden.

By going completely different, they'll appeal to a DIFFERENT audience in the beginning, allowing them to showcase what their version can do. In the future, if they decide to tone it down, they'll have a reputation to go off of and perhaps have more of a chance of convincing people.

So in short, this model isn't for traditional truck buyers because traditional truck buyers probably wouldn't have considered a Tesla anyway. By going so different on the look, though, you'll start to temper your concerns over time after seeing them popping up all over the place. In theory.

It's a very different approach, but it does make some sense.

It makes some sense, but not particularly for me. I am a value guy. If I can get the same functionality or more for a better gig, I'm down. I just need reasonable assurance of reliability.

[ModSocks]

I watched a couple of videos on Tesla's truck that made a good point (even if I don't think people like you will be interested in it in its current form). If Tesla had released a truck that looks pretty much like every other truck, it's pretty unlikely ANYONE would buy it. Ford F150 people would likely keep buying Ford F150s (or the electric equivalent). Dodge Ram people would likely keep buying Dodge Rams. Truck buyers are notoriously loyal, so it's just plain unlikely that anyone who has driven a certain model of truck for years is going to change to a Tesla all of a sudden.

By going completely different, they'll appeal to a DIFFERENT audience in the beginning, allowing them to showcase what their version can do. In the future, if they decide to tone it down, they'll have a reputation to go off of and perhaps have more of a chance of convincing people.

So in short, this model isn't for traditional truck buyers because traditional truck buyers probably wouldn't have considered a Tesla anyway. By going so different on the look, though, you'll start to temper your concerns over time after seeing them popping up all over the place. In theory.

It's a very different approach, but it does make some sense.

If that's the case, then they blew it imo. The damn thing still needs to look like a truck, not a Mars rover. It needs to have some sort of appeal to a truck buyer. You can't just say, "ah fuck it, Ford guy is gonna buy Ford" and throw your arms up in the air. If you don't think you can compete with them and break into the segment, then why bother in the first place?

How about take a page from Toyota, and build a truck that truck guys want? The new Tundras for example. They weren't in the big truck market until they burst on the scene with their redesign.

Nissan, with the Titan. When that thing first came out you'd see it popping up all over construction sites. That was truck was hot when it was released.

Aggressive styling, comfort, and torque is what you need to pull buyers away from the big 3. It can be done. Nissan and Toyota have demonstrated that.

But that fucking thing in the OP? It's hard to imagine any working class, truck owning man wanting that.

You say they'll appeal to a different audience, but i can't imagine that thing selling enough to change anyone's mind.

[ModSocks]

I'm still trying to figure out what demographic buys that.

[MagicHef]

I'm still trying to figure out what demographic buys that.

I currently own a truck, I will definitely take a look at this once it's available.

[DaFace]

I'm still trying to figure out what demographic buys that.

:shrug:

Apparently 200k people have already put down a deposit on one. Granted, it's only $100, and it's fully refundable, so it's a pretty weak gauge of commitment.

[ModSocks]

I currently own a truck, I will definitely take a look at this once it's available.

As a work truck? As a toy hauler? Glorified grocery getter? What would you be doing with it?

[MagicHef]

As a work truck? As a toy hauler? Glorified grocery getter? What would you be doing with it?

My current truck (Titan) gets used for off-road/mountain road travel for camping and exploring, hauling lumber and supplies for building projects (personal, not work related), and has exactly the number of seats I need (6). The one downside is how much gas it uses.

[ModSocks]

My current truck (Titan) gets used for off-road/mountain road travel for camping and exploring, hauling lumber and supplies for building projects (personal, not work related), and has exactly the number of seats I need (6). The one downside is how much gas it uses.

Oh i meant the Tesla. You would use this Tesla truck for those same duties?

[MagicHef]

Oh i meant the Tesla. You would use this Tesla truck for those same duties?

Yes.

[TrebMaxx]

Too me it's not a truck or a SUV. It's more of a city ORV. Maybe it could be called a CORV. Plus would you need to have a Mohawk hair cut, wear a spiked leather collar, etc. to drive one?

[srvy]

Too me it's not a truck or a SUV. It's more of a city ORV. Maybe it could be called a CORV. Plus would you need to have a Mohawk hair cut, wear a spiked leather collar, etc. to drive one?

ROFL

[ChiliConCarnage]

:shrug:

Apparently 200k people have already put down a deposit on one. Granted, it's only $100, and it's fully refundable, so it's a pretty weak gauge of commitment.

I hadn't seen it was 100 bucks. Wasn't the model 3 1000+? That seems like such a small amount it wouldn't give you good data to anticipate demand. It's nearly a throwaway amount if you're really considering a 55k + tax type truck

[DaFace]

I hadn't seen it was 100 bucks. Wasn't the model 3 1000+? That seems like such a small amount it wouldn't give you good data to anticipate demand. It's nearly a throwaway amount if you're really considering a 55k + tax type truck

Yep.

[Shiver Me Timbers]

:shrug:

Apparently 200k people have already put down a deposit on one. Granted, it's only $100, and it's fully refundable, so it's a pretty weak gauge of commitment.

Apple fan boy types with more money
Just to reiterate
It ain't a truck
And Musk is bat shit crazy

[ModSocks]

Here's the actual page with all the renders.

https://www.tesla.com/cybertruck

I have to admit I'm intrigued by the camper option... :hmmm:

https://i.imgur.com/NrAGS1O.jpg

Yuuuuck.

Don't know how i missed this post. First thing that came to me, Pontiac Aztek:

https://i.imgur.com/GFr8PBw.jpg

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Yuuuuck.

Don't know how i missed this post. First thing that came to me, Pontiac Aztek:

https://i.imgur.com/GFr8PBw.jpg
I take "it ain't a truck" back
It's a food truck

[MagicHef]

Yuuuuck.

Don't know how i missed this post. First thing that came to me, Pontiac Aztek:

https://i.imgur.com/GFr8PBw.jpg

Is your main complaint that it's ugly?

[Shiver Me Timbers]

Yuuuuck.

Don't know how i missed this post. First thing that came to me, Pontiac Aztek:

https://i.imgur.com/GFr8PBw.jpg
Put a shitter on That thing and you could feed the homeless and clean up the streets at the same time in SFO

[ModSocks]

Is your main complaint that it's ugly?

Not just ugly, but not functional as a truck.

Like i said earlier, it's an unconventionally designed electric Honda Ridgeline.

[ModSocks]

They shoulda marketed as some sort of Truck-SUV hybrid. I think it would be better received as such. But as a Truck? No way.

[Megatron96]

Not just ugly, but not functional as a truck.

Like i said earlier, it's an unconventionally designed electric Honda Ridgeline.

This.

And it'll explode/burst into flames if you get into an accident. So it has that going for it as well.

[DaFace]

This.



And it'll explode/burst into flames if you get into an accident. So it has that going for it as well.There are many legitimate criticisms of this thing. This isn't one of them.

[ModSocks]

This picture pretty much confirms it: Not functional as an actual truck. Here at the shop we make fun of these short-beds...because, well, you can't actually do much that's work/haul related because the bed is too small.

https://i.imgur.com/kWKcGuS.jpg

It's a truck for people who don't actually drive trucks. In short, it's a freakin' Honda Ridgeline.