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TLO
12-08-2019, 08:25 PM
Want to get a general consensus from the collective brain trust of www.chiefsplanet.com . I've heard some rumblings in different places that people are concerned with the play of Mahomes.

Are you concerned with his play?

Poll.

rabblerouser
12-08-2019, 08:26 PM
Nope.

loochy
12-08-2019, 08:27 PM
No.

Eleazar
12-08-2019, 08:27 PM
I'm concerned with him always picking up nagging injuries, and with his happy feet in the pocket lately.

But the offensive line has been neglected from a personnel standpoint, and they are underperforming even what talent they have.

eDave
12-08-2019, 08:28 PM
No. But he's regressed. Something CP said would not happen.

Sofa King
12-08-2019, 08:29 PM
Yup. Always hurt, doesn't run as much, won't even try for deep balls, dumps it off too much, doesn't have killer instinct to overcome Andy and finish games strong.

siberian khatru
12-08-2019, 08:30 PM
I’m worried about his hand

2bikemike
12-08-2019, 08:30 PM
I'm concerned with him always picking up nagging injuries, and with his happy feet in the pocket lately.

But the offensive line has been neglected from a personnel standpoint, and they are underperforming even what talent they have.

This is what concerns me as well.

493rd
12-08-2019, 08:30 PM
He’s nowhere near what he was last year and that’s undisputed. He seems pretty mortal right now and I think it’s a combination of things. Seems like he’s playing scared.

Deberg_1990
12-08-2019, 08:31 PM
Yes. I don’t like that he’s under duress nearly every time he drops back.

Throws off his back foot a ton. Something is off with his play this year. Probably doesn’t trust his Oline. Can’t blame him there.

modocsot
12-08-2019, 08:31 PM
No. I think his regression is due to the lack of a solid running game. That’s on Reid, not Mahomes.

LiveSteam
12-08-2019, 08:31 PM
No. But he's regressed. Something Clay said would not happen.

FYP and Clay knows Star Wars. Not football

MahiMike
12-08-2019, 08:31 PM
Last year I was confident on 3rd and 15. This year I'm scared of 3rd and 2.

Eleazar
12-08-2019, 08:31 PM
Having no running game doesn't help.

O.city
12-08-2019, 08:32 PM
He’s under constant pressure

ThyKingdomCome15
12-08-2019, 08:33 PM
I am concerned that he seems to get hurt every hit.

As for his play; the interior of our OL is so bad.

displacedinMN
12-08-2019, 08:33 PM
always

-King-
12-08-2019, 08:33 PM
Yes. He's playing scared. Not that I blame him, but it doesn't bode well for us even even the line does give him time and players are open.

Sofa King
12-08-2019, 08:34 PM
Last year I was confident on 3rd and 15. This year I'm scared of 3rd and 2.

Actually, this is a good way of saying it.

comochiefsfan
12-08-2019, 08:34 PM
Last year with Pat, he had this sense of inevitability about him. He had swagger, confidence and a ridiculous set of skills.

This year.... I don’t know. Something just isn’t right. The aura of unstoppability is gone and he just seems like an average player.

I think he’ll get it right, but he’s not the same guy he was a year ago, not even close.

comochiefsfan
12-08-2019, 08:35 PM
Actually, this is a good way of saying it.

Perfect way of putting it.

It’s like we’re back in the Alex Smiff era.

BWillie
12-08-2019, 08:35 PM
Yes. How could you not be? We also need to know more about Patricks hand. For whatever reason we just aren't as fluid this year offensively.

PattyFlakes
12-08-2019, 08:36 PM
Play-calling, o-line issues, injuries to himself and key weapons have all contributed to him “regressing”. Even so, he’s still having a pretty nice season. He was never going to go for 5000 and 50 every season, so I’m not shocked that he’s not going to repeat that this season.

CasselGotPeedOn
12-08-2019, 08:36 PM
Perfect way of putting it.

It’s like we’re back in the Alex Smiff era.

You loved that era, Tiger.

St. Patty's Fire
12-08-2019, 08:36 PM
lot more worried about the o line

comochiefsfan
12-08-2019, 08:37 PM
You loved that era, Tiger.

No idea who this Tiger dude is lol.

PattyFlakes
12-08-2019, 08:38 PM
No idea who this Tiger dude is lol.


;)

DaFace
12-08-2019, 08:38 PM
A bit, but I think our expectations are also sky high. He's regressed, but he's still far more explosive than 90% of the league's QBs.

Hammock Parties
12-08-2019, 08:38 PM
Nope.

He is who he has always been.

That was the No. 1 defense out there and he had no running game.

Came home with a W no one else in the history of mankind has earned.

Chiefspants
12-08-2019, 08:39 PM
No idea who this Tiger dude is lol.

Neither did Jenkins!

cdcox
12-08-2019, 08:39 PM
I’m worried about his hand

This and only this.

Mr_Tomahawk
12-08-2019, 08:41 PM
He just did something that nobody under the age of 25 has done...is that why you’re worried?

DRM08
12-08-2019, 08:43 PM
Concerned about the injury troubles.

Dayze
12-08-2019, 08:43 PM
No. Only worried about the o line. They suck out loud.
Pat is running for his life most plays. And when he’s not, he thinks he should be.
He’s been nicked up all year.

His hand was was effecting his accuracy today. IMO

Molitoth
12-08-2019, 08:45 PM
With the lack of running game, a shitty oline, a dumb playcaller, and his as-of-late injury trends.... yes I'm concerned about Mahomes.

Halfcan
12-08-2019, 08:47 PM
Mahomes just went in and beat Brady for the first time snapping two of their winning streaks.

He completed 65% of his passes and threw for almost 300 yards against the best secondary in the AFC-On the Road.

Yeah, he sucks. :doh!:

ChiliConCarnage
12-08-2019, 08:48 PM
Yes. I've been worried about Patrick for the last 15 years.

TwistedChief
12-08-2019, 08:50 PM
Chicken Littles worried again that the sky is falling.... smfh

scho63
12-08-2019, 08:50 PM
He played like shit today but he was hurt again.

Not himself last 3 games

Halfcan
12-08-2019, 08:57 PM
He played like shit today but he was hurt again.

Not himself last 3 games

1. Played in Mexico on a shitty field a mile in the sky.

2. Played in a wind storm with 40 mph gust.

3. Played in NE where they had won 21 straight.

All wins!

If that is playing like shit I will take it. 3 Big wins to secure the West!

Rasputin
12-08-2019, 09:00 PM
Keep in mind that the Patriots bost a hell of a defense it's pretty hard to go into Fucksborough Massetchushits and walk all over that defense. His had was hurt but he fought through it and got the team a W.

Chief Northman
12-08-2019, 09:00 PM
Mahomes just went in and beat Brady for the first time snapping two of their winning streaks.

He completed 65% of his passes and threw for almost 300 yards against the best secondary in the AFC-On the Road.

Yeah, he sucks. :doh!:

Nobody is saying he sucks. The thread is asking whether to be worried about him or not. Try to keep up.

Rasputin
12-08-2019, 09:02 PM
We've lost games putting up 40+ points I'll take this with a defense and a W.

(Rams last year)

Chief Northman
12-08-2019, 09:02 PM
1. Played in Mexico on a shitty field a mile in the sky.

2. Played in a wind storm with 40 mph gust.

3. Played in NE where they had won 21 straight.

All wins!

If that is playing like shit I will take it. 3 Big wins to secure the West!

Chiefs defence says hi.

Pasta Little Brioni
12-08-2019, 09:02 PM
He just broke a 72 game winning streak of Brady and Roidman at home

Halfcan
12-08-2019, 09:02 PM
Nobody is saying he sucks. The thread is asking whether to be worried about him or not. Try to keep up.

I wouldn't want any other QB. No, I am not worried.

SupDock
12-08-2019, 09:03 PM
I think the answer is no, but this team really needs a serviceable running back and some improvement on OL

KCChiefsFan88
12-08-2019, 09:04 PM
Not worried, but the next step he needs to take in his development is leading the offense to close out these close games with a lead.

Just like in the Chargers game, there were multiple opportunities for the offense to convert on third and manageable yardage plays and Mahomes/the offense was not able to convert.

rabblerouser
12-08-2019, 09:04 PM
With the lack of running game, a shitty oline, a dumb playcaller, and his as-of-late injury trends.... yes I'm concerned about Mahomes.

This is fair.

rabblerouser
12-08-2019, 09:05 PM
I think the answer is no, but this team really needs a serviceable running back and some improvement on OL

I'll guarantee if the Oline wasn't Pure AIDS on a stick, our RBs would be quite 'serviceable'.

dirk digler
12-08-2019, 09:06 PM
Fuck no he is the least of our worries.

carcosa
12-08-2019, 09:07 PM
Not even a little bit concerned about Mahomes himself. He's still the best fucking player in the league.

OL needs to get its shit together, though.

eDave
12-08-2019, 09:07 PM
I still had mad confidence every time we had the ball.

SupDock
12-08-2019, 09:09 PM
I guess I question Mahomes ability to overcome some of our deficiencies. He masked some problems last year

TLO
12-08-2019, 09:10 PM
I said no. I don't think there's a lot to worry about, honestly. He's a dynamic playmaker that doesn't make very many mistakes.

As others have mentioned, the lack of a running game and offensive line woes have shown. He's also been hurt the majority of the year with some sort of injury.(Seemingly more of bad luck than anything else.) I don't think the injury issues will be a long term concern.

I think people got spoiled watching him last year. Expecting that kind of season to happen year after year isn't sustainable.

He has weaknesses in his game - but he's still one of the top 5 if not top 3 QB's this season.

KS Smitty
12-08-2019, 09:13 PM
Worried about all the abuse he's getting from opposing D's.

RedRaider56
12-08-2019, 09:14 PM
No. I think his regression is due to the lack of a solid running game. That’s on Reid, not Mahomes.

^^^This. Teams only have to try and stop PM as there is no running game to fear. Play deep, keep everything in front of you and put pressure on PM consistently because the OL sucks

comochiefsfan
12-08-2019, 09:23 PM
I will say this.

If he plays this way with last years defense, we go 0-3 over that stretch and suddenly people wouldn’t be defending him so vigorously.

He owes the defense for keeping attention off of his subpar performances.

PattyFlakes
12-08-2019, 09:25 PM
I said no. I don't think there's a lot to worry about, honestly. He's a dynamic playmaker that doesn't make very many mistakes.

As others have mentioned, the lack of a running game and offensive line woes have shown. He's also been hurt the majority of the year with some sort of injury.(Seemingly more of bad luck than anything else.) I don't think the injury issues will be a long term concern.

I think people got spoiled watching him last year. Expecting that kind of season to happen year after year isn't sustainable.

He has weaknesses in his game - but he's still one of the top 5 if not top 3 QB's this season.

He’s spoiled us with his god like performances. So when he looks mortal we overreact.

Pasta Little Brioni
12-08-2019, 09:26 PM
I will say this.

If he plays this way with last years defense, we go 0-3 over that stretch and suddenly people wouldn’t be defending him so vigorously.

He owes the defense for keeping attention off of his subpar performances.

We just won 40 to 9 the week before dipshit

TLO
12-08-2019, 09:27 PM
I will say this.

If he plays this way with last years defense, we go 0-3 over that stretch and suddenly people wouldn’t be defending him so vigorously.

He owes the defense for keeping attention off of his subpar performances.

Good for the defense. Carry Pat to a Super Bowl this year and they'll be even.

He’s spoiled us with his god like performances. So when he looks mortal we overreact.

Exactly. We overreact even when he plays well. Just because he doesn't throw for 500 yards and 5 touchdowns doesn't mean he isn't a great player.

TLO
12-08-2019, 09:29 PM
We just won 40 to 9 the week before dipshit

He's not too bright. Raiduhs:Pinky:Stooges

SuperBowl4
12-08-2019, 09:29 PM
When you have Matt F'n Moore what's the worry?

Chiefnj2
12-08-2019, 09:29 PM
He's developing some bad habits. His arm strength is covering some of it, but he's got to stop back pedaling out of a clean pocket.

Sure-Oz
12-08-2019, 09:30 PM
He’s under constant pressureThis .. the interior line play hasn't been good.

Halfcan
12-08-2019, 09:31 PM
I will say this.

If he plays this way with last years defense, we go 0-3 over that stretch and suddenly people wouldn’t be defending him so vigorously.

He owes the defense for keeping attention off of his subpar performances.

:deevee:

carcosa
12-08-2019, 09:31 PM
I will say this.

If he plays this way with last years defense, we go 0-3 over that stretch and suddenly people wouldn’t be defending him so vigorously.

He owes the defense for keeping attention off of his subpar performances.

Man shut the fuck up

bobbything
12-08-2019, 09:32 PM
He’s playing fine. He’s just not what he was last year...which is okay. I’m more concerned about his tendency to dump off for three yards on 3rd and 7. To put it a little better, I’m more concerned that Tyreek Hill is running a three yard crossing pattern on 3rd and 7. That makes no sense. That play needs to go in the garbage can right now.

Pasta Little Brioni
12-08-2019, 09:33 PM
Fucking Tiger....

Halfcan
12-08-2019, 09:35 PM
Man shut the **** up

This! :clap:

Huge win and idiots are on here bitching about Mahomes. :shake:

Rasputin
12-08-2019, 09:36 PM
Fastest player to ever throw 70 touchdowns as a starter.


I don't know what more the guy can do to appease people ?

rabblerouser
12-08-2019, 09:36 PM
****ing QueerTiger....

Fyp

OKchiefs
12-08-2019, 09:37 PM
I just don't understand what changed. Despite the loss he was balling against Tennessee. Then...

mr. tegu
12-08-2019, 09:38 PM
He’s playing fine. He’s just not what he was last year...which is okay. I’m more concerned about his tendency to dump off for three yards on 3rd and 7. To put it a little better, I’m more concerned that Tyreek Hill is running a three yard crossing pattern on 3rd and 7. That makes no sense. That play needs to go in the garbage can right now.


That’s a great play because it brings the defense forward opening up the intermediate routes. If they decide to not come up on Hill then he gets the short pass and runs for an easy ten yards.

bricks
12-08-2019, 09:38 PM
Yes. I don’t like that he’s under duress nearly every time he drops back.

Throws off his back foot a ton. Something is off with his play this year. Probably doesn’t trust his Oline. Can’t blame him there.

And It goes to show he relies on his abilities too much because he has no choice but to compensate for his teams weakness in the Oline.

His Oline stinks. Period.

Get the man some better Olineman and protection next year. Thats on Reid and Chiefs management for not putting their best player in a better position to succeed this year.

PattyFlakes
12-08-2019, 09:39 PM
Fastest player to ever throw 70 touchdowns as a starter.


I don't know what more the guy can do to appease people ?

First QB under 25 to win in Foxboro since 2000. But a bad 2nd half means he’s terrible now and we should all be worried.

comochiefsfan
12-08-2019, 09:41 PM
I just don't understand what changed. Despite the loss he was balling against Tennessee. Then...

This is kinda where I’m at too. He looked fine against Tennessee and then he’s randomly just fallen off a cliff.

DRM08
12-08-2019, 09:42 PM
This is kinda where I’m at too. He looked fine against Tennessee and then he’s randomly just fallen off a cliff.

I don't know if it's random. Chargers defense made Aaron Rodgers look like crap. Raiders game was in 25 mph wind. Patriots have one of the best defenses in the league.

O.city
12-08-2019, 09:44 PM
Teams are dropping guys and taking away big plays. The chiefs can’t run the ball very well and their ol struggles

MAHOMO 4 LIFE!
12-08-2019, 09:45 PM
Yea Mahomes is struggling......

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Patrick Mahomes&#39; 283 passing yards tonight were the most New England has allowed all season.</p>&mdash; Matt McMullen (@KCChiefs_Matt) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCChiefs_Matt/status/1203855800873209857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

rabblerouser
12-08-2019, 09:45 PM
I don't know if it's random. Chargers defense made Aaron Rodgers look like crap. Raiders game was in 25 mph wind. Patriots have one of the best defenses in the league.

The wind gusts in the Raider game were up to 50 mph

PattyFlakes
12-08-2019, 09:47 PM
Yea Mahomes is struggling......

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Patrick Mahomes&#39; 283 passing yards tonight were the most New England has allowed all season.</p>&mdash; Matt McMullen (@KCChiefs_Matt) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCChiefs_Matt/status/1203855800873209857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

With a fucked up hand against a very good defense, and zero running game.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE!
12-08-2019, 09:48 PM
With a ****ed up hand against a very good defense, and zero running game.

I think we all take Pats greatness for granted

Hammock Parties
12-08-2019, 09:49 PM
buncha dumbasses on here

MAHOMO 4 LIFE!
12-08-2019, 09:49 PM
Mahomes just threw for the most yards against the #1 defense this season and people are really asking if we should be worried. Get the fuck outta here

stevieray
12-08-2019, 09:50 PM
He’s spoiled us with his god like performances. So when he looks mortal we overreact.

pretty much.

TLO
12-08-2019, 09:57 PM
Yea Mahomes is struggling......

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Patrick Mahomes&#39; 283 passing yards tonight were the most New England has allowed all season.</p>&mdash; Matt McMullen (@KCChiefs_Matt) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCChiefs_Matt/status/1203855800873209857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not to mention he did that with a fucked up hand and with us playing conservative to protect the lead.

KC_Connection
12-08-2019, 09:59 PM
Uh, no. He’s the best QB in the league by a mile and remains so. Threads like this remind me of when Roy Halladay pitched for the Jays and fans would freak out if he allowed 3 runs over 6 innings. Mahomes just beat maybe the best defense in the league on the road with the refs completely against him and possibly a fractured throwing hand. He’s doing fine.

DanT
12-08-2019, 09:59 PM
With his headsy play and exceptional ability to throw from multiple platforms, Mahomes is the best football player i have ever seen. But something is wrong, which i hope is just an injury that will heal. He is not seeing open receivers and is throwing wobblers. He is still the first or second best QB in the league, though, even with the current issues.

suzzer99
12-08-2019, 10:05 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This 3rd and 19 conversion on KC&#39;s first TD drive was absurd from Mahomes. Knew he was going to take a shot and delivered it regardless. No TD without this. <a href="https://t.co/vtpbXvG6MX">pic.twitter.com/vtpbXvG6MX</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1203860990225506304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mecole Hardman is a game changer for the Chiefs. He&#39;s just too fast, both to get open deep and then to comically outrun the safety to the EZ.<br><br>Also, what a play from Mahomes with a defender in his face. <a href="https://t.co/ZWJeugZGqi">pic.twitter.com/ZWJeugZGqi</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1203863037863714821?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I think some people on this forum need a little reality check.

We were also driving late until dumabss Kelce decided to run backwards into traffic then fumble.

ThaVirus
12-08-2019, 10:07 PM
I'm concerned about his health now and in the future. He's proving himself to be a bit injury prone, which is worrisome.

His production over these past few weeks can be easily explained away by his lack of trust in this interior offensive line and our complete inability to run the football.

We ask a lot of Pat. No other team goes out there with a leaky offensive line and no running game and asks their QB to carry the offense to 30 points week in and week out. We're the only ones. We pass when we're ahead, we pass when we're behind, we pass to set up the run. No offense in the league operates the way ours does and no offense could, because we've got the only QB in the league who can consistently make it work.

Shit, the Patriots just asked Brady to do just that and he got smacked. Like 4.5 YPA. Pat would never..

TLO
12-08-2019, 10:13 PM
I'm concerned about his health now and in the future. He's proving himself to be a bit injury prone, which is worrisome.

I don't agree with the injury prone prognosis just yet. The "major" injury was a complete fluke.

His ankle would have likely healed up if FUCKING CAM ERVING WOULD HAVE STOPPED GETTING BULL RUSHED INTO PAT'S LAP AND THEN HAVING CURIOSITY TO STEP ON HIS INJURED ANKLE. FUCK YOU CAM.

We'll see about this hand thing.

mr. tegu
12-08-2019, 10:18 PM
I’m slightly worried because he is missing some plays that are typically easy for him and are there to be made. Along with the tendency of late to back out of clean pockets to get himself in trouble. None of this means he isn’t still great but it is cause for slight concern.

eDave
12-08-2019, 10:19 PM
Not to mention he did that with a fucked up hand and with us playing conservative to protect the lead.

Always an excuse.

TwistedChief
12-08-2019, 10:20 PM
Not to mention he did that with a fucked up hand and with us playing conservative to protect the lead.

Best avatar ever!

MAHOMO 4 LIFE!
12-08-2019, 10:23 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"> <a href="https://t.co/TSETOWZBk3">pic.twitter.com/TSETOWZBk3</a></p>&mdash; Khalen Saunders (@khalenNOTkaylen) <a href="https://twitter.com/khalenNOTkaylen/status/1203878963619217408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bump
12-08-2019, 10:34 PM
worried about his health, that's about it.

Imon Yourside
12-08-2019, 10:40 PM
Yea Mahomes is struggling......

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Patrick Mahomes&#39; 283 passing yards tonight were the most New England has allowed all season.</p>&mdash; Matt McMullen (@KCChiefs_Matt) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCChiefs_Matt/status/1203855800873209857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He's horrible let's get Alex Smith back!

NO He's fine and only his stats and injury bug have regressed. He will be fine, just takes some adjusting.

PattyFlakes
12-08-2019, 10:42 PM
Always an excuse.

A fucked up hand is a pretty legit fucking excuse.

eDave
12-08-2019, 10:45 PM
A fucked up hand is a pretty legit fucking excuse.

Deberg.

stevieray
12-08-2019, 10:48 PM
Deberg.

....picked the Patriots to win.

PattyFlakes
12-08-2019, 10:49 PM
DeBerg and Mahomes both clinched playoff spots winning games with messed up hands. What’s your point?

eDave
12-08-2019, 10:50 PM
....picked the Patriots to win.

Did I? If so, I was right, had this game been called fairly. I'll take it though and don't insinuate that I don't.

I expected better today though.

stevieray
12-08-2019, 10:54 PM
Did I? If so, I was right, had this game been called fairly. I'll take it though and don't insinuate that I don't.

I expected better today though.

the poster, silly.

I don't waste my time on style points after a victory. Defense helped grind out another win.


That's huge.

rabblerouser
12-08-2019, 10:55 PM
Yea Mahomes is struggling......

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Patrick Mahomes&#39; 283 passing yards tonight were the most New England has allowed all season.</p>&mdash; Matt McMullen (@KCChiefs_Matt) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCChiefs_Matt/status/1203855800873209857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

ROFL

chiefzilla1501
12-08-2019, 11:48 PM
What qb would you rather have right now? Russell Wilson continues to be wildly inconsistent in games his team doesn't let him manage. Josh allen is also a game manager. Brady and brees can't do what they used to, and Rodgers looks off too. DeShaun is wildly inconsistent and is largely a running jump ball guy. I don't think lamar can keep at this pace. Matt Ryan and Philip rivers have been outright disasters this year.

This league has not been very good for qbs.

Mahomes feels limited this year. But even at his worst he's still one of the best in the league.

For whatever reason this year has been the year of the running game. In a year where we for some reason decided not to have one.

BWillie
12-09-2019, 12:42 AM
Uh, no. He’s the best QB in the league by a mile and remains so. Threads like this remind me of when Roy Halladay pitched for the Jays and fans would freak out if he allowed 3 runs over 6 innings. Mahomes just beat maybe the best defense in the league on the road with the refs completely against him and possibly a fractured throwing hand. He’s doing fine.

Lets be real and unbiased here. The refs weren't completely against him. They missed a blatant TD which cost them 4 points. They blew a probable fumble return for a TD dead for no reason.

This wasn't Mahomes game. And thats fine. It means this team is evolving and has shown it can win a big game with a blow avg game from their Quartback. When the offense does start running on all cylinders we are going to be scary.

Megatron96
12-09-2019, 01:03 AM
Pat hurt his hand in the first quarter (or whenever it was exactly in the first half). That made it difficult for him to throw downfield. He'll be fine.

If not, we have Matt "Moonlight" Moore.

scho63
12-09-2019, 01:03 AM
1. Played in Mexico on a shitty field a mile in the sky.

2. Played in a wind storm with 40 mph gust.

3. Played in NE where they had won 21 straight.

All wins!

If that is playing like shit I will take it. 3 Big wins to secure the West!

Chiefs defence says hi.

3. Played in NE where they had won 21 straight.

What does this have ANYTHING to do with whether or not he sucked tonight? He did great motivating the team and making some runs but overall he had tunnel vision, missed many open receivers and with his hand being what it was, he was way off on so many throws.

He is allowed to have a bad game just like every QB.

He has been subpar the last 3 weeks with today being the lowest point.

Yes, all victories but Like Chief Northam accurately posted, shockingly our defense has carried the day.

ARROW2
12-09-2019, 01:07 AM
3. Played in NE where they had won 21 straight.

What does this have ANYTHING to do with whether or not he sucked tonight? He did great motivating the team and making some runs but overall he had tunnel vision, missed many open receivers and with his hand being what it was, he was way off on so many throws.

He is allowed to have a bad game just like every QB.

He has been subpar the last 3 weeks with today being the lowest point.

Yes, all victories but Like Chief Northam accurately posted, shockingly our defense has carried the day.




We used to pray that Alex would throw for 280 yards and score 23 points consistently. Mahomes doesn't have to throw for 800 yards and 8 tds anymore.....

MotherJefer
12-09-2019, 01:28 AM
I’m seeing guys comment I don’t get what has happened to him since the Tennessee game. Well, he played in extreme altitude in Mexico City and like someone else mentioned, played a defense which made Rodgers look like a 3rd string, 50+ mph winds against Oakland and we also blew them out, played in Foxboro against the best defense in the league and had the most passing yards out of anybody they have played, he is the first U-25 to win there in 29 games, and had them beat if it wasn’t for a stupid mistake by our tight end. On top of all that, defenses are double teaming our big plays, we have zero run game and our offensive line just looks soft right now. I mean, this isn’t that hard to figure out if you just watch the games. I consider myself a novice when it comes to knowing the Chiefs but come on.

Chargem
12-09-2019, 02:18 AM
I can't wait for blowhards like Mangini to be like "sometimes Mahomes shows up in the first half, sometimes the second. When will he put a whole game together?"

Chieftain
12-09-2019, 02:21 AM
After watching the overrated shitshow that was Russell Wilson last night, I'm glad Pat is my QB. We quickly forget that he had 250 passing yards in the first half alone. Against that BB defense. Nobody had ever done that this season. He was carving those fuckers up and we were on our way of blowing them out. Then the turnovers stalled us from extending the lead.
Pat has been very accurate with his throws. The problem is that the offense is lacking some fluidity, it's not consistent and scoring at will like we did last year. Part of it is running back play. Part of it is poor playcalling on Andy's part.
I have not seen enough of Pat that gives me reason to worry. Him getting injured as often as he's been this season is my only concern.

Rasputin
12-09-2019, 02:50 AM
I think with our 32nd overall draft pick in first round of 2020 draft we should take an O-lineman.

ChiefsFanatic
12-09-2019, 03:10 AM
I am not concerned or worried about Mahomes. But I am worried about offensive play calling. People have said our running backs are bad, and the lack of ground attack is putting too much pressure on Mahomes.

I agree that the lack of a rushing attack affects Mahomes adversely, but I don't agree with saying our running backs suck, because Reid/EB never try to establish the run, and therefore the running backs can never get into a rhythm. Most running backs need to be fed the ball early and often to find their rhythm, and the same goes for the offensive line.

And I am concerned about every wide receiver or tight end not named Hill, Hardman or Kelce. Watkins and Robinson have been trash since the first couple of games to start the season. They are struggling to get separation, and because the offensive line is underperforming Mahomes doesn't have time to wait for them to get open, and he doesn't have enough time to throw them open.

The offensive play calling has to be better.

The offensive line has to be better.

Watkins and Robinson need to perform like legit #2 & #3 receivers.

Reid/EB need to understand that establishing the run is a vital part of an effective offense.

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crazycoffey
12-09-2019, 03:15 AM
No. But he's regressed. Something CP said would not happen.

He kind of had to regress.... repeating last year, statistically, was improbable (if not impossible). But he’s doing a pretty damn good job, despite ALL the injuries..... hope his hand is ok.

TwistedChief
12-09-2019, 03:42 AM
Mahomes on his hand:

“It doesn’t feel great right now,” Mahomes acknowledged, and it’s important to note he shrugged off the impact of the ankle sprain earlier this year. “It’s something that you play with. In this sport, you’re going to get hurt. For me, it’s about going out there and competing. I rely on my teammates to help me out whenever I’m not feeling maybe 100 percent.”

But hey, he only threw for more yards than anyone else against arguably the best defense in football. But we should all be very, very worried.

DTVietnam
12-09-2019, 03:50 AM
Watching the Ravens Bills game today made me realize how fragile Mahomes is

But not too concerned. . I think the entire offense is just off. .

Him and Reeek never seem to be on the same page anymore. . .

Watkins doesnt seem to make an effort unless its a perfect pass. .

Kelce and Mahomes seem to be the only 2 on the same page

DTVietnam
12-09-2019, 03:52 AM
1. Played in Mexico on a shitty field a mile in the sky.

2. Played in a wind storm with 40 mph gust.

3. Played in NE where they had won 21 straight.

All wins!

If that is playing like shit I will take it. 3 Big wins to secure the West!

Thas a great deal of excuses for an NFL player . .

Its an outdoor game...every qb faces the elements

Imon Yourside
12-09-2019, 04:36 AM
Thas a great deal of excuses for an NFL player . .

Its an outdoor game...every qb faces the elements

He'll offer no excuse for winning those games.

TwistedChief
12-09-2019, 05:02 AM
Thas a great deal of excuses for an NFL player . .

Its an outdoor game...every qb faces the elements

And he dramatically outplayed the other QB in each of these games.

DTVietnam
12-09-2019, 06:18 AM
looking at the big picture Id rather have this team coming up and winning games on Defense then last years team having to score 40+ each week to win .

I think the problem is Mahomes has been hit so much this year hes not comfrortable in the pocket..throwing the ball quick and not being able to get through his reads. .

we'll click on offense again soon and then its a wrap for the rest of the league

tredadda
12-09-2019, 06:51 AM
While not worried, something seems off. This is not the same 5,000 yard 50 TD MVP we saw last year. Not sure if it’s because of the line, running game, play calling, something else, or a combination of those factors. I no longer believe this offense will score at will anymore and get more nervous that it won’t be able to hold a lead when it matters most.

crayzkirk
12-09-2019, 08:20 AM
I am concerned, like a few others have posted, that the poor line play is contributing to him falling back on some bad tendencies. Yes, last year he was unbelievable and made so many amazing plays that I expect him to do that now. There were a lot of missed open receivers that would have put the game away. I don't blame him for being gun shy; this year has been rough on him with the injuries. I would imagine that he doesn't totally trust his body and needs some time to get back to that stage. I am guilty of expecting these guys to be robots and they aren't; just flesh and bone like the rest of us.

treeguy27
12-09-2019, 08:36 AM
Anyone who denies he's playing differently than last year is being a homer. He isn't as cool and confident in the pocket as he was last year. The good news is that it isn't a sign of him regressing as much as it's a symptom of the terrible O-line play. He's been banged up and just trying to protect himself. Last year he would step up in a collapsing pocket and deliver a strike. Now he is uncomfortable back there, not staying focused downfield and bailing early. It should be a simple thing to correct if and when the line play improves.

chiefzilla1501
12-09-2019, 08:57 AM
I still wonder if this is just not a good year for the qb. My theory... Offenses went so heavy on the spread that defenses adjusted with power personnel. Notice that the Rams picked their offense back up by getting Gurley going again. It might be just the wrong place, wrong time. Our OL can't handle that. Our RBs arent good enough to beat not great blocking. I also noticed mahomes taking a few snaps under center and we actually ran pretty well... Is that a liability for mahomes to always be in shotgun? Shouldn't Andy Reid be doing better to set up the run?

We were on the cutting edge with the spread last year and now the tide is shifting to running. I'm more pissed than anything that we wasted some of that spread window on Alex Smith. But our team is still pretty good and I still feel like teams will quickly adapt and passing games will be on point again. We aren't the only team with a less exciting pass offense this season. The best qbs this year are either runners or game managers who complement their running game.

Shiver Me Timbers
12-09-2019, 10:23 AM
Seems pretty simple to me.
He is running for his life back there. He has sustained some injuries.
Fix the line and 95% of what is being discussed as "concerns" in this thread goes away.
And go find a running back...............

Bearcat
12-09-2019, 10:30 AM
Worried, how?

In the realistic sense, that he's probably beat up to the point that it's impacting his play? Meh... I wasn't expecting a SB or anything, so my expectations are pretty low (even though if the Chiefs and Patriots are seriously two of the top 3 teams in the AFC, WTF knows, it could happen).

In a CP sense, where he's "off" now, so he'll be off forever (well, until he lights it up one game, then he'll be amazing forever again)? Oh noes!

redfan
12-09-2019, 10:32 AM
Worried about his health? Yes
Worried about his game play? Nope, he good
Extremely vague poll

Tribal Warfare
12-09-2019, 10:36 AM
Worried about his health? Yes
Worried about his game play? Nope, he good
Extremely vague poll

Mahomes isn't 100% healthy, but he's still ball'n

Marcellus
12-09-2019, 10:48 AM
I didn't realize it until I saw his passing chart, he was 3/4 with a TD on passes over 20 yards last night. He was actually fairly productive all things considered, well above average.

Lilmrp117
12-09-2019, 10:48 AM
I think he's just trying to survive games with the lousy interior oline. He did a great job stepping up and delivering big throws in the 2nd quarter but took some brutal hits thanks to assholes Reiter and wylie mostly. I think he realized that he wouldn't make it through the game if he kept doing that.

Hopefully it doesn't get in his head too much and ruin him bc he has been a little too quick to bail out of the pocket lately. He needs to get better at shifting around in the pocket and stepping up into it to buy another second and then make a quicker decision to either get rid of it or take off running and slide. It kills us when he backpedals 10 yards back and get sacked for a loss of 12 instead of something more manageable. And it rarely works out well once he starts backpedaling.

O.city
12-09-2019, 10:49 AM
After rewatching some stuff, I don't know that this is really abnormal learning for a young QB.

He's learning how to play not fully balls to the wall, chuck it deep all game. He's learning to manage the game a little bit. Guys are banged up, etc.

He'll be better for it.

Marcellus
12-09-2019, 10:52 AM
After rewatching some stuff, I don't know that this is really abnormal learning for a young QB.

He's learning how to play not fully balls to the wall, chuck it deep all game. He's learning to manage the game a little bit. Guys are banged up, etc.

He'll be better for it.

I think considering how we have lost to the Pats by getting down early the last 2 games he was trying to play more conservative and that first INT probably really made him buckle down.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE!
12-09-2019, 10:56 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Patrick Mahomes set such an absurd standard for himself that he can lead the NFL in ANY/A and the general feeling is &quot;ah, he could be better&quot;</p>&mdash; Derrik Klassen (@QBKlass) <a href="https://twitter.com/QBKlass/status/1204075550223945733?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

493rd
12-09-2019, 11:12 AM
We should all be worried about his health that’s for sure. Let’s pray his hand isn’t seriously hurt and his ribs are okay. Andy better be going after some guys that can protect 15 or he won’t be around very long.

Chris Meck
12-09-2019, 11:47 AM
Yes. I don’t like that he’s under duress nearly every time he drops back.

Throws off his back foot a ton. Something is off with his play this year. Probably doesn’t trust his Oline. Can’t blame him there.


YOU'RE STARTING TO GET IT.

Eleazar
12-09-2019, 11:50 AM
It's not just the protection. He is dropping too far and leaving the pocket when he doesn't need to, like the play where he got the facemask called.

Some of that is down to protection, and the fact that the offensive line has been neglected for years and needs more talent, but he also needs to be more disciplined.

Our supposed "QB Whisperer" at head coach should be correcting these things.

TwistedChief
12-09-2019, 11:50 AM
After rewatching some stuff, I don't know that this is really abnormal learning for a young QB.

He's learning how to play not fully balls to the wall, chuck it deep all game. He's learning to manage the game a little bit. Guys are banged up, etc.

He'll be better for it.

This is where I'm at. I think the elements the prior two weeks were a real hindrance and then I think last night he just went up against a damn good Patriots defense with a light hand injury.

But in reality, I think he's also kinda trying to find the balance between being too aggressive and too conservative. And there are inherent growing pains in that.

But longer term, it'll make him a better QB. I have no doubt he can still perform all the magic acts we had become accustomed to.

philfree
12-09-2019, 12:05 PM
Between his left ankle and right knee I don't think he's truly healthy. I think it's affecting how he plays. Combined with the o line not giving him much time he's struggling.

Titty Meat
12-09-2019, 12:06 PM
Are you gay?

RaidersOftheCellar
12-09-2019, 12:09 PM
This is where I'm at. I think the elements the prior two weeks were a real hindrance and then I think last night he just went up against a damn good Patriots defense with a light hand injury.

But in reality, I think he's also kinda trying to find the balance between being too aggressive and too conservative. And there are inherent growing pains in that.

But longer term, it'll make him a better QB. I have no doubt he can still perform all the magic acts we had become accustomed to.

Exactly. I can't believe some of the comments in this thread. There's no doubt that the extreme winds had an impact in the Raiders game, along with the field conditions and altitude in Mexico City.

He was pretty damn good last night, given that he was facing the #1 D on the road. Plus being put in difficult situations often due to BS penalties. Picking up that 3rd and 19 was vintage Mahomes. As was the Hardman TD.

Only one TD but he threw for 100 more yards than the Patriots allow on average.

If you look at this game + the Titans game, it's still vintage Mahomes. The two performances inbetween were about the elements.

Titty Meat
12-09-2019, 12:10 PM
Hes taking what defenses give him and cant do everything he did last year because

1. The defense is improved this year so he doesnt have to score 50 points a game

2. There is no run game this year which makes the offense more predictable

3. When it's all said and done if we dont get a ring this year and the offense continues to play like it has the last month or so Wylie/Reiter will be the reason why. They are NFL backups at best and have no business starting for an NFL team.

KChiefs1
12-09-2019, 12:16 PM
Yes

ModSocks
12-09-2019, 12:50 PM
Chiefs coach Andy Reid said Patrick Mahomes' hand is "OK" and has "no break."
"It's bruised up pretty good but there's no break," Reid added. Mahomes' X-rays ultimately came back negative and he's fully expected to start against the Broncos barring any setbacks. Reid also admitted to altering the play-calling in the second half to account for Mahomes' injury, signing off on more shallow crossers and then leaning on the running game as well. Perhaps that makes one of LeSean McCoy, Spencer Ware, or Darwin Thompson valuable for fantasy moving forward. Either way, Mahomes is a tough sit in the fantasy playoffs as long as he's cleared to play.

BigCatDaddy
12-09-2019, 12:58 PM
Holy shit...the retardedness of this fanbase.m :facepalm:

fan4ever
12-09-2019, 01:27 PM
While I'm concerned I also know most teams are playing man to man coverage which leaves him less options to throw to...last year he destroyed zone coverage so most teams don't do that as often. His hand was definitely an issue and last week was in windy conditions so I'm staying optimistic for the time being.

Tribal Warfare
12-09-2019, 04:12 PM
Chiefs coach Andy Reid said Patrick Mahomes' hand is "OK" and has "no break."
"It's bruised up pretty good but there's no break," Reid added. Mahomes' X-rays ultimately came back negative and he's fully expected to start against the Broncos barring any setbacks. Reid also admitted to altering the play-calling in the second half to account for Mahomes' injury, signing off on more shallow crossers and then leaning on the running game as well. Perhaps that makes one of LeSean McCoy, Spencer Ware, or Darwin Thompson valuable for fantasy moving forward. Either way, Mahomes is a tough sit in the fantasy playoffs as long as he's cleared to play.

Yep

TLO
12-15-2019, 03:31 PM
He kicked ass today.

comochiefsfan
12-15-2019, 03:32 PM
No longer worried.

Needs o-line help in the worst way.

Hammock Parties
12-15-2019, 03:39 PM
He looked like 2018 Patrick against Tennessee and today.

The field in Mexico, the wind against Oakland and his hand against NE made him play slightly worse.

Much ado about nothing.

CasselGotPeedOn
12-15-2019, 03:41 PM
No longer worried.

Needs o-line help in the worst way.

You shouldn't have been worried in the first place, Tiger...

rabblerouser
12-15-2019, 03:42 PM
1. Played in Mexico on a shitty field a mile in the sky.

2. Played in a wind storm with 40 mph gust.

3. Played in NE where they had won 21 straight.



ADD :

4. Played in a snowstorm and threw for 400 yards

BigCatDaddy
12-15-2019, 03:43 PM
Holy shit...the retardedness of this fanbase.m :facepalm:

Nailed it.

CasselGotPeedOn
12-15-2019, 04:13 PM
Nailed it.

58 dipshits were worried about Mahomes. 58. Jesus fucking christ.

Deberg_1990
12-15-2019, 04:16 PM
Not worried about him. But he does take too deep of drops at times. And he tried to do too much on his INT on today’s game. Should have thrown the ball away there.

I’d like to think if it was the Ravens or Pats in the same situation he would have made a better decision.

JakeF
12-15-2019, 04:16 PM
Worrying about his health a little bit lately.


Teams are targetting him now. They are willing to exchange a penalty for hurting him. :#

LiveSteam
12-15-2019, 04:17 PM
Big K looked amazing today as well.
120 yards on 9 catches last i paid attention. That was just a minute or 2 into the 3rd quarter. Not sure what he ended the day with?
Best tightend in football.