This might not end well with Chris Jones

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Perhaps the bliss of a Super Bowl cured some of the issues, but in my talks during the postseason, there was some clear dissension between Chiefs and Chris Jones’ camp. Without a long-term deal, I just don’t see this going well. Tag helps create time... but won’t create goodwill.</p>&mdash; Jeff Darlington (@JeffDarlington) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffDarlington/status/1239544877542780930?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[pugsnotdrugs19]

He’ll be traded anyways

[Rausch]

I hate this. I really like Jones and think he's great for the team.

I get it, it's a business, etc...I just hate to see it.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I hate this. I really like Jones and think he's great for the team.

I get it, it's a business, etc...I just hate to see it.

I see it as a win-win as long as they get appropriate compensation. This franchise will keep rolling either way.

Mahomes and Reid are just that much better than the competition.

[UChieffyBugger]

I see it as a win-win as long as they get appropriate compensation. This franchise will keep rolling either way.

Mahomes and Reid are just that much better than the competition.

Without Jones we don't win the sb though.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Without Jones we don't win the sb though.

This is true. But with Jones at $20M+ AAV, we may not win another.

[smithandrew051]

Without Jones we don't win the sb though.

We aren’t just losing Jones though. We’ll get something in return.

Yes, he was huge in the Super Bowl. However, we don’t know what his compensation would’ve done in the Super Bowl. Maybe we get better at multiple positions? That might make us a better team overall.

The additional cap space plus draft picks could possibly be greater than what we get from Jones over the next 4-5 years.

[Rausch]

I see it as a win-win as long as they get appropriate compensation. This franchise will keep rolling either way.

Mahomes and Reid are just that much better than the competition.

The problem is the more you win the less you see guys that are career players. It means eventually Kelcee and basically everyone other than Pat will probably have to leave once the contract is no longer a good value.

It's not anyone being cheap or heartless it's just the economics of the NFL once you pay that franchise QB or start winning SB's...

[arrwheader]

Trade.

[RunKC]

Can you blame him? I’d be pissed too. No way in hell would I play on the tag this year if I was him

[Marcellus]

Can you blame him? I’d be pissed too. No way in hell would I play on the tag this year if I was him

What does he have to be pissed about?

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

He is one for one in SBs

[BigRedChief]

I hate this. I really like Jones and think he's great for the team.

I get it, it's a business, etc...I just hate to see it.This is our new normal. Great players are going to leave. I have to say...... I like the new normal better than the old normal.

[Red Dawg]

I would be mad as well. 15.5 is chump change. We all make more than that, right?

[Mecca]

I get why he wants to be paid but if some of these rumors are true that he wants Donald money, you can't keep him at that price.

[oldman]

I would be mad as well. 15.5 is chump change. We all make more than that, right?

I see his point, but when it comes down to PMII or him, buh-bye. I still think he and the Chiefs will come up with something.

[Rausch]

This is our new normal. Great players are going to leave. I have to say...... I like the new normal better than the old normal.

Yeah, the old normal was a 1st round choke in the playoffs and Carl Peterson driving them away during negotiations...

[RunKC]

What does he have to be pissed about?

He was awesome in 2018 then last year was good again. He didn’t cause problems last year either. The guy showed up to camp on time and didn’t cause any drama despite us paying Frank Clark.

I understand if we can’t keep him, but I don’t blame him one bit. I wouldn’t play another down until I got paid by someone.

Too risky for him to play on the tag when you can get your big money contract now.

[Bwana]

Trade.

Yep, that would be my guess.

[UChieffyBugger]

Let's just say we had Jalen Ramsey instead of Jones...would we still be talking about trading him? Because imo Jones has that same kind of effect on our defense as Ramsey does for his.

[stumppy]

IVIT

[Red Dawg]

We can win the SB without Jones. NE never gives their DL shit and have won over and over again. Draft well, sign vets that have already had a big payday for cheap.

[Dunerdr]

if hes traded for decent compensation it will end just fine for us.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Two first round picks for Jones?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Adding to this earlier report on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> DT Chris Jones. Source tells me this will be a non-exclusive franchise tag. <a href="https://t.co/Xd6uZLR9Vf">https://t.co/Xd6uZLR9Vf</a></p>&mdash; Herbie Teope (@HerbieTeope) <a href="https://twitter.com/HerbieTeope/status/1239561877249822721?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Hoover]

It's all part of the process.

I don't expect him to play on the tag, and the Chiefs don't either.

If we can't get a deal worked out, he'll be traded. Not sure why people think this is a surprise. It's a process. Veach needs to make his a strong offer and see if we can work it out.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Two first round picks for Jones?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Adding to this earlier report on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> DT Chris Jones. Source tells me this will be a non-exclusive franchise tag. <a href="https://t.co/Xd6uZLR9Vf">https://t.co/Xd6uZLR9Vf</a></p>&mdash; Herbie Teope (@HerbieTeope) <a href="https://twitter.com/HerbieTeope/status/1239561877249822721?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Won’t happen that way

[dallaschiefsfan]

We aren’t just losing Jones though. We’ll get something in return.

Yes, he was huge in the Super Bowl. However, we don’t know what his compensation would’ve done in the Super Bowl. Maybe we get better at multiple positions? That might make us a better team overall.

The additional cap space plus draft picks could possibly be greater than what we get from Jones over the next 4-5 years.

Some version of the above. And in addition to whatever DL player we get through the compensation via draft or lesser free agent, signing a moderate contract w/ Pennel will likely keep the status quo against the run. I think that's likely more important for our repeat than the sacks Jones would supply. Getting Okafor back will help. Spags seemed to handle him well.

[kcxiv]

if he stays he stays, if he goes he goes. Welcome to sports! Personally id like if he stayed.

[OKchiefs]

It's all part of the process.

I don't expect him to play on the tag, and the Chiefs don't either.

If we can't get a deal worked out, he'll be traded. Not sure why people think this is a surprise. It's a process. Veach needs to make his a strong offer and see if we can work it out.

But the problem is that if we can't work a deal out we have some extra cap room we should likely use elsewhere to mitigate his loss, but there will be slim pickings if we let this drag out.

[oldman]

Is the tag as a DE or as a DT? The only thing I could find was the proposed numbers for 2020. A DE is $17.788M and a DT is $16.126M. https://nfltraderumors.co/projected-2020-franchise-transition-tag-totals/

[Hoover]

Who are we going to miss out on? I mean really?

We are not going to be big shoppers in free agency.

[RunKC]

Who are we going to miss out on? I mean really?

We are not going to be big shoppers in free agency.

Our own in house guys. If we can’t get Jones then I’d like to sign Ogbah or Fuller at around $12 million.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Our own in house guys. If we can’t get Jones then I’d like to sign Ogbah or Fuller at around $12 million.

Fuller please! Ogbah only if he will be cheap. Remember Okafor is coming back as well

[OKchiefs]

Who are we going to miss out on? I mean really?

We are not going to be big shoppers in free agency.

Not big money guys, but we very well could be in the market for a $10-12 million a year type player if we free up the cap space that would have been allocated for Jones. I'm fine with trading him, but we'll need to do something to address his loss in some way and draft picks alone won't cut it.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I would say a reasonable set of options would look like this:

1) Keep Jones at $21M AAV

OR

2) Keep Fuller at $10M per, Pennel at $6M per, and Wisniewski at $3M per with a 1st round pick and 3rd round pick added via trade.

Which do you choose in that scenario?

[Hoover]

Yeah, my point is that we are not singing anyone early in the process. Veach will be looking for good deals. And I'm pretty sure we can make additional cap room if and when it becomes necessary.

[Rausch]

I would say a reasonable set of options would look like this:

1) Keep Jones at $21M AAV

OR

2) Keep Fuller at $10M per, Pennel at $6M per, and Wisniewski at $3M per with a 1st round pick and 3rd round pick added via trade.

Which do you choose in that scenario?

I'd concentrate on Pennel and Wis and both are realistic.

As far as the draft I like the CB's and don't like the LB's. I think OL in rounds 3 and below is decent. WR is obviously deep.

[Rausch]

Yeah, my point is that we are not singing anyone early in the process. Veach will be looking for good deals. And I'm pretty sure we can make additional cap room if and when it becomes necessary.

I hope for and expect a trade down...

[TEX]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Perhaps the bliss of a Super Bowl cured some of the issues, but in my talks during the postseason, there was some clear dissension between Chiefs and Chris Jones’ camp. Without a long-term deal, I just don’t see this going well. Tag helps create time... but won’t create goodwill.</p>&mdash; Jeff Darlington (@JeffDarlington) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffDarlington/status/1239544877542780930?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


:rolleyes:

[ChiTown]

I preface this by saying that you won't find a bigger Chris Jones fan than this guy (two thumbs pointing at me).

His play in the 4th qtr of the SB, alone, shows you how valuable he is. I would love to keep him, but I take solace in the fact that we wouldn't be leaving the table empty-handed if there is a parting of the ways.

IVIT

[Red Dawg]

I would say a reasonable set of options would look like this:

1) Keep Jones at $21M AAV

OR

2) Keep Fuller at $10M per, Pennel at $6M per, and Wisniewski at $3M per with a 1st round pick and 3rd round pick added via trade.

Which do you choose in that scenario?

The 3. No brainer.

[PAChiefsGuy]

I preface this by saying that you won't find a bigger Chris Jones fan than this guy (two thumbs pointing at me).

His play in the 4th qtr of the SB, alone, shows you how valuable he is. I would love to keep him, but I take solace in the fact that we wouldn't be leaving the table empty-handed if there is a parting of the ways.

IVIT

What did he do that was so remarkable in the SB? Put his hands up and knock the ball down?

Chris Jones is very good but he isnt worth it for the Chiefs when we are already overpaying Frank Clark.

[staylor26]

What did he do that was so remarkable in the SB? Put his hands up and knock the ball down?

Chris Jones is very good but he isnt worth it for the Chiefs when we are already overpaying Frank Clark.

Holy shit you’re fucking retarded. Jones was incredible in the 4th you buttfucking moron.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Nate Taylor says we will sign Jones long term

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As expected, the Chiefs are placing the franchise tag on Chris Jones. Much of what I wrote during the combine remains true in the Chiefs’ plans toward re-signing Jones. <a href="https://t.co/7YeTxya1af">https://t.co/7YeTxya1af</a></p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1239538890421272576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

What did he do that was so remarkable in the SB? Put his hands up and knock the ball down?

Chris Jones is very good but he isnt worth it for the Chiefs when we are already overpaying Frank Clark.

You’re fucking dumb. Without Jones we don’t win the super bowl

[ChiTown]

What did he do that was so remarkable in the SB? Put his hands up and knock the ball down?

Chris Jones is very good but he isnt worth it for the Chiefs when we are already overpaying Frank Clark.

I guess I would respond to this by saying that you should probably re-watch the SB and pay close attention to his play. He absolutely dominated his spot, especially in the 4th.

[HemiEd]

I would be mad as well. 15.5 is chump change. We all make more than that, right?

Yeah, it is a tough world out there. I don't see how he could possibly get by on that.
Sign him to an Eric Berry, Dewayne Bowe contract right now!

[TEX]

Nate Taylor says we will sign Jones long term

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As expected, the Chiefs are placing the franchise tag on Chris Jones. Much of what I wrote during the combine remains true in the Chiefs’ plans toward re-signing Jones. <a href="https://t.co/7YeTxya1af">https://t.co/7YeTxya1af</a></p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1239538890421272576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Good deal.

[saphojunkie]

You’re fucking dumb. Without Jones we don’t win the super bowl

Actually, we don't know that. What we do know is that Jones had a marked impact on us winning the super bowl.

This is just how it goes, guys. You can't have a team full of A players. With mahomes, you have an A+ guy that must be retained at all costs. But I'd rather fill the roster with B players rather than a couple expensive As and the rest Cs and Ds.

In fact, in this scenario, our 53 man roster construction would be B-52, Bomber.

[Kiimo]

I feel the same way as I always have. I like Jones, wish he fit on this team but I don't see it happening because he can demand insane money. I also 100% believe he doesn't play a down on a franchise tag so I'm just hoping to get a first and third but hope someone is as dumb as we were and gives a first and second.

If they aren't talking with Miami they should be. I'm pretty sure Jones wouldn't mind taking his talents, SB ring and gigantic new contract to South Beach either.

[dlphg9]

I would say a reasonable set of options would look like this:

1) Keep Jones at $21M AAV

OR

2) Keep Fuller at $10M per, Pennel at $6M per, and Wisniewski at $3M per with a 1st round pick and 3rd round pick added via trade.

Which do you choose in that scenario?

There is no way in hell Fuller is signing at $10 mil a season ago. Before he was here he was considered a premier corner and has been really good for us.

Byron Jones is going to set the market at 18-$20 mil/year and depending on how many stupid teams get involved it could be more. Hell Steven Nelson got an $8.5 mil AAV, so you think Fuller if only going to cost a little more than that? The minimum Fuller signs for is $15 mil/yr.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

There is no way in hell Fuller is signing at $10 mil a season ago. Before he was here he was considered a premier corner and has been really good for us.

Byron Jones is going to set the market at 18-$20 mil/year and depending on how many stupid teams get involved it could be more. Hell Steven Nelson got an $8.5 mil AAV, so you think Fuller if only going to cost a little more than that? The minimum Fuller signs for is $15 mil/yr.

He wasn’t even a damn CB last year dude. Pay attention.

He also had injury issues. He isn’t touching $15M per year. LOL!

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Armstead who is a DT just got paid

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/49ers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#49ers</a> are giving star DL Arik Armstead a 5-year deal, sources say, avoiding the franchise tag and locking him up long-term. He gets up to $85M on his new deal.������</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1239601550391115780?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Hoover]

Armstead who is a DT just got paid

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/49ers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#49ers</a> are giving star DL Arik Armstead a 5-year deal, sources say, avoiding the franchise tag and locking him up long-term. He gets up to $85M on his new deal.������</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1239601550391115780?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I wish Jones would take something in that range!

[dlphg9]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Perhaps the bliss of a Super Bowl cured some of the issues, but in my talks during the postseason, there was some clear dissension between Chiefs and Chris Jones’ camp. Without a long-term deal, I just don’t see this going well. Tag helps create time... but won’t create goodwill.</p>&mdash; Jeff Darlington (@JeffDarlington) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffDarlington/status/1239544877542780930?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It won't create goodwill? It was either tag him or let him go and Chris Jones knows that the team isnt just gonna let him walk. It's been a couple of days since the new CBA was put into place and no one was negotiating until they knew for sure what was going to happen. It'd be stupid to do it.

Also who the fuck is Jeff Darlington

[PAChiefsGuy]

I guess I would respond to this by saying that you should probably re-watch the SB and pay close attention to his play. He absolutely dominated his spot, especially in the 4th.

He did good but it wasnt just him. You cant pay him a huge contract when we already have Frank Clark.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

He did good but it wasnt just him. You cant pay him a huge contract when we already have Frank Clark.

49ers just did!! Armstead and Ford

[Chiefspants]

Jones has a legit case for SBMVP. His deflection on the 49ers 3 and out when we were down 3 may have saved the game alone (Kittle was wide open). He then outdid himself with two more deflections that shut down the 49ers last gasp drive.

[JohnnyHammersticks]

We can win the SB without Jones. NE never gives their DL shit and have won over and over again. Draft well, sign vets that have already had a big payday for cheap.

Vince Wilfork says wut up

[Marcellus]

He was awesome in 2018 then last year was good again. He didn’t cause problems last year either. The guy showed up to camp on time and didn’t cause any drama despite us paying Frank Clark.

I understand if we can’t keep him, but I don’t blame him one bit. I wouldn’t play another down until I got paid by someone.

Too risky for him to play on the tag when you can get your big money contract now.

And he got paid to play. Either he works out a deal with KC that he likes or he doesn't, I don't get the whole being pissed off stuff. He will get paid somewhere to his liking.

[T-post Tom]

It won't create goodwill? It was either tag him or let him go and Chris Jones knows that the team isnt just gonna let him walk. It's been a couple of days since the new CBA was put into place and no one was negotiating until they knew for sure what was going to happen. It'd be stupid to do it.

Also who the **** is Jeff Darlington

Yup...Never heard of him.

[PAChiefsGuy]

49ers just did!! Armstead and Ford

Different situation. We have a guy named Mahomes to pay.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Get ready folks. Joe Banner says a huge trade is coming and he has serious ties to Andy and the KC staff.

[staylor26]

Get ready folks. Joe Banner says a huge trade is coming and he has serious ties to Andy and the KC staff.

Doubt it’s us.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Doubt it’s us.

Odds are no, but he always is talking about Kansas City. He knows all of those guys.

People need to come to grasp with the fact that Jones is almost certainly going to be moved.

[RunKC]

Guys on SiriusXM think Jones is getting traded.

Good point about waiting to apply the tag. They’ve had a range they wanted for about a year (Frank Clark contract per Terez back in camp) and they think he wants more now and the Chiefs just can’t do it.

They think Veach wanted to get a deal done but the tag being applied late pretty much said it’s over

[The Franchise]

A fucking TE just went for a 2nd and a swap of 4ths. Jones better bring a haul.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

At least two 2s this year. But really should be a 1 + some change.

[RealSNR]

"Keep him because we don't win the Super Bowl without him."

That's faulty logic. We also don't win the Super Bowl without a strong and deep supporting cast making little plays here and there. The swatted passes in crunch time were huge and absolutely made it possible for us to get the ball and secure the go-ahead score, don't get me wrong, but if you can't afford the guy, then you just can't afford him.

Khalen Saunders has a very high ceiling potential. We don't yet know what he could be. No, probably not Chris Jones, but he could be a very disruptive interior DL presence. We have draft picks. We're still 3-deep at the interior with Nnadi, Pennel, and Saunders, assuming we re-sign Pennel. That's pretty fucking good.

And we get all those draft picks to either protect Pat, give him more weapons, or secure our LBs/CBs. Or... something else totally crazy and awesome.

It's not the end of the world if we have to trade Jones. Just because we won a Super Bowl with him playing a key role doesn't mean we'll never win another one if he's not with us.

[Sassy Squatch]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source: Big-name DL is about to get traded + paid</p>&mdash; Chris Trapasso (@ChrisTrapasso) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChrisTrapasso/status/1239626790638845954?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[BigRedChief]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per below chart, the official franchise price tag on DT Chris Jones is $16.1 million. <a href="https://t.co/5g1lRyutrU">https://t.co/5g1lRyutrU</a></p>&mdash; Herbie Teope (@HerbieTeope) <a href="https://twitter.com/HerbieTeope/status/1239588731591499776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source: Big-name DL is about to get traded + paid</p>&mdash; Chris Trapasso (@ChrisTrapasso) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChrisTrapasso/status/1239626790638845954?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DE from Jax is my guess.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source: Big-name DL is about to get traded + paid</p>&mdash; Chris Trapasso (@ChrisTrapasso) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChrisTrapasso/status/1239626790638845954?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Jones

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

Run on KC TP about to pay out

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Regardless of what compensation we do or don’t get, at least we got that damn SB win. Cause odds are we’d be in this very same position whether we’d beaten SF or not.

Silver linings...

[wazu]

I will always love Chris Jones for what he did in the Super Bowl. Don't care what he does rest of the way he'll always be a Chief. But if this team is to sustain success we'll need to do it through the draft, not through free agent mega-deals.

[Hoover]

Makes me wonder if all the "Jones not happy about being tagged" shit from from the talking heads is just a set up to a trade that they knew was more than likely. So they tweet that shit today, then when it happens they get to say see, I was right.

Its all a game

[staylor26]

At this point, if we get a 1st and another day 2 pick I’ll call it a win.

[Kiimo]

At this point, if we get a 1st and another day 2 pick I’ll call it a win.

That was my point from the beginning.

I just hope some Bill O'Brien moron out there overpays

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Wonder what the pivot moves will be if this goes down.

We’d have the money to do whatever we wanted. Just not sure they would, or exactly what that’d be.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Nate says he will be signed here long term

[smithandrew051]

If Hayden Hurst costs a second round pick, then Jones is well worth a first plus.

It really comes down to whether or not we panic and if another team takes advantage.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Nate says he will be signed here long term

That was like over a month ago. Shit changes.

The tea leaves all lead us to him being traded. And if I’ve learned anything the last few years about the NFL, where there is smoke there is fire.

[Kiimo]

Nate says he will be signed here long term

Not the exact wording and this is from 6 hours ago


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As expected, the Chiefs are placing the franchise tag on Chris Jones. Much of what I wrote during the combine remains true in the Chiefs’ plans toward re-signing Jones. <a href="https://t.co/7YeTxya1af">https://t.co/7YeTxya1af</a></p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1239538890421272576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[RunKC]

IMO Giants make perfect sense for a Chris Jones grade. Gettleman loves DL

[pugsnotdrugs19]

IMO Giants make perfect sense for a Chris Jones grade. Gettleman loves DL

They tagged L. Williams.

[Kiimo]

IMO Giants make perfect sense for a Chris Jones grade. Gettleman prefers DLines

slight tweak

[Rasputin]

I don't know how this isn't going end well for Mr. Chris Jones I mean he is going have a pretty good pay day to his name if he stays or if he goes. He will be a rich man.

[Chieftain]

I would say a reasonable set of options would look like this:

1) Keep Jones at $21M AAV

OR

2) Keep Fuller at $10M per, Pennel at $6M per, and Wisniewski at $3M per with a 1st round pick and 3rd round pick added via trade.

Which do you choose in that scenario?

Option #2.

[smithandrew051]

Not sure why people think there will be bad blood here.

We drafted Jones. He performed. We won a Super Bowl with him. He’s going to get paid. Chiefs will get assets in return.

Literally everyone wins.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Not sure why people think there will be bad blood here.

We drafted Jones. He performed. We won a Super Bowl with him. He’s going to get paid. Chiefs will get assets in return.

Literally everyone wins.

It’s a business at the end of the day.

[Hammock Parties]

adios

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source: Big-name DL is about to get traded + paid</p>&mdash; Chris Trapasso (@ChrisTrapasso) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChrisTrapasso/status/1239626790638845954?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[ChiTown]

Not sure why people think there will be bad blood here.

We drafted Jones. He performed. We won a Super Bowl with him. He’s going to get paid. Chiefs will get assets in return.

Literally everyone wins.

Yeah, generally it doesn't work out this well for both parties

[Kiimo]

I don't know how this isn't going end well for Mr. Chris Jones I mean he is going have a pretty good pay day to his name if he stays or if he goes. He will be a rich man.


He clearly wants to stay with the Chiefs and they clearly want him. He's too valuable when the Chiefs also have the most valuable player in the NFL they need to pay.

It happens to SB teams. If the Chiefs get good compensation, he gets paid and he goes to a team that he approves of then everybody wins.

The Chiefs can not only improve their team holes but keep everybody but Jones they want to.

Alternatively if they were to pay Jones and put that much stock in two defensive players and one of them gets hurt we are turbo fucked.

[smithandrew051]

It’s a business at the end of the day.

It absolutely is.

If Jones can’t see that, then that’s his problem. He’s about to get a huge payday, so he doesn’t have much to be upset about.

[smithandrew051]

He clearly wants to stay with the Chiefs and they clearly want him. He's too valuable when the Chiefs also have the most valuable player in the NFL they need to pay.

It happens to SB teams. If the Chiefs get good compensation, he gets paid and he goes to a team that he approves of then everybody wins.

The Chiefs can not only improve their team holes but keep everybody but Jones they want to.

Alternatively if they were to pay Jones and put that much stock in two defensive players and one of them gets hurt we are turbo fucked.

Remember when we had like $40 million sitting on the bench two years ago when both Houston and Berry were out? That fucking sucked.

[MahomesMagic]

If we could add a Cushenberry and a Zach Baun, maybe grab Blacklock as well and get the cap space KC would be loaded with young, cheap talent.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

adios

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source: Big-name DL is about to get traded + paid</p>&mdash; Chris Trapasso (@ChrisTrapasso) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChrisTrapasso/status/1239626790638845954?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I think he’s referring to Yannick from Jax

[Chiefspants]

And he got paid to play. Either he works out a deal with KC that he likes or he doesn't, I don't get the whole being pissed off stuff. He will get paid somewhere to his liking.

It absolutely is.

If Jones can’t see that, then that’s his problem. He’s about to get a huge payday, so he doesn’t have much to be upset about.

Agreed.

Hearing about how Berry, Houston and Peters still had some sort of beef with the Chiefs wouldn’t make me surprised if Jones had some sort of chip on his shoulder when playing the Chiefs, but he shouldn’t. If he’s traded and everyone involved is richly compensated it’s a win-win-win (for the Chiefs, our trading partner, and Jones).

[Abba-Dabba]

Tag him and trade him. Don't extend him with a ridiculous contract. His big body will break down in no time. He plays his cards wrong. He could land on a less than average team, but well paid for a couple years and never seen any real success again. Whoopdeefreakingdoo. Forgotten in the annals of the history in no time

High paid players need to start to think about building a brand. Rather than the record breaking contracts at this point. Their brand and future endorsements will make that contract look like chump change. Winning teams with championships help build that brand. Nobody really remembers the stars of losing teams like they do winning teams. Add in the fact that the real enemy of most players making peanuts compared to the higher income earners is the selfishness of players like Jones trying to maximize their already great salary. I can't imagine saying I am one of the best in the game, then complain about being paid the avg of the top 5 of my peers.

[smithandrew051]

I always laugh when I hear about players “outperforming their contracts” and refusing to play without a new deal.

You rarely hear about players turning down the money to free up cap space when they grossly underperform for what they’re being paid.

[rabblerouser]

We aren’t just losing Jones though. We’ll get something in return.

Yes, he was huge in the Super Bowl. However, we don’t know what his compensation would’ve done in the Super Bowl. Maybe we get better at multiple positions? That might make us a better team overall.

The additional cap space plus draft picks could possibly be greater than what we get from Jones over the next 4-5 years.

May as well get something for him now, because we won't later.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With zero info my guess would be Yannick or Chris Jones</p>&mdash; new-age analytical (@benbbaldwin) <a href="https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1239631741104553989?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[PurpleRiders51]

I'm gonna miss him, Chris was easily one of my favorite Chiefs on this team.

[BossChief]

The non exclusive tag gives KC options.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"> <a href="https://t.co/hO9NITWgWF">pic.twitter.com/hO9NITWgWF</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1239640921387315204?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[saphojunkie]

I think he’s referring to Yannick from Jax

"hope"

[smithandrew051]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"> <a href="https://t.co/hO9NITWgWF">pic.twitter.com/hO9NITWgWF</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1239640921387315204?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

“Paying him isn’t a tough call”

Depends on what he wants. That’s a very shortsighted take.

[saphojunkie]

“Paying him isn’t a tough call”

Depends on what he wants. That’s a very shortsighted take.

he also thinks the super bowl champs are poised to "take over the AFC."

Is this tweet a year old? I'm constantly amazed how people can't wrap their brains around the concept of finite resources.

[SuperChief]

DeForest Buckner it is, eh? Good - keep Chris home, dammit.

[RunKC]

Jones price tag just went up with Buckner getting $21 million AAV

[Red Dawg]

Yeah. Jones must want more Donald. Nobody will do that.

[displacedinMN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No surprise, but Chiefs are placing franchise tag on DT Chris Jones today, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1239530220245352449?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Kiimo]

I usually agree with Seth but he's digging his heels in on this without even knowing how much Chris Jones wants.

[GoHuge]

I don't know how I feel about it. We got Clark by doing exactly what we should have. Taking the sure thing over a late 1st. I would like to keep the sure thing rather than taking a chance on hopefully a 1st rounder by trading Jones. Can we afford it...probably, but should we? Well considering Patrick is signing a hometown discount deal somewhere in the low-$20s (per sources because he can get endorsements and wants to keep winning) let's just roll the dice and pay Jones a good $2-3 million more than Clark and everyone is happy! Sounds pretty simple ����

[comochiefsfan]

Well considering Patrick is signing a hometown discount deal somewhere in the low-$20s

LOL

[BossChief]

ROFL

[ThyKingdomCome15]

I would be mad as well. 15.5 is chump change. We all make more than that, right?

Barely LMAO

But on the topic. This is a tough call. We'd have to get rid of Watkins, Hitchens, LDT, plus include the cap increase. Call me crazy but I might do that.

[RealSNR]

Pat's going to take a hometown discount of HALF of what he's actually worth.

https://media.giphy.com/media/l2Z84eFooeHJu/giphy.gif

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Jones price tag just went up with Buckner getting $21 million AAV

Yep. He may as well ask for Aaron Donald money.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Pat's going to take a hometown discount of HALF of what he's actually worth.

https://media.giphy.com/media/l2Z84eFooeHJu/giphy.gif

And it’ll still be $40M per. LMAO

[Kiimo]

Pat signing for 40m a year would still be a hometown discount.


edit: how the fuck did I just get beaten on that

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Lotta teams would pay Pat 50 and not even blink. Insane, but not hard to believe.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

Patrick just lead the KC Chiefs to their first SB in 50 years. Can you suck all our dicks now & play for less than you are worth?

[Easy 6]

Tag him and trade him. Don't extend him with a ridiculous contract. His big body will break down in no time. He plays his cards wrong. He could land on a less than average team, but well paid for a couple years and never seen any real success again. Whoopdeefreakingdoo. Forgotten in the annals of the history in no time

High paid players need to start to think about building a brand. Rather than the record breaking contracts at this point. Their brand and future endorsements will make that contract look like chump change. Winning teams with championships help build that brand. Nobody really remembers the stars of losing teams like they do winning teams. Add in the fact that the real enemy of most players making peanuts compared to the higher income earners is the selfishness of players like Jones trying to maximize their already great salary. I can't imagine saying I am one of the best in the game, then complain about being paid the avg of the top 5 of my peers.

We don’t agree on much, but I’m SO with you on that second part... these guys are often short sighted about the big picture

They get too locked into “we’ll my stats say I’m ranked X, so I want every single penny that rank has coming and maybe more”... and they forget all of the other revenue streams that come from playing for a winner

Years ago I took a part time summer job pulling people files for IRS audit in the state of Illinois, looked at well over a dozen different Bears, Cubs, White Sox, Bulls players... but the highlight was Michael Jordan’s 1996 file, thicker than a copy of War and Peace, and his endorsements from Nike, Hanes etc absolutely DWARFED his contract money that year

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Weird day. No Chiefs buzz really.

Either this potential trade will be the first domino to fall, or we aren’t doing much period.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Weird day. No Chiefs buzz really.

Either this potential trade will be the first domino to fall, or we aren’t doing much period.

Probably not much of anything. We don’t really have the cap space and that’s understandable.

[Red Dawg]

Not worried. Our guys won it all. They earned some trust.

[muddyjello]

Not worried. Our guys won it all. They earned some trust.

Agreed.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Patrick just lead the KC Chiefs to their first SB in 50 years. Can you suck all our dicks now & play for less than you are worth?

Brady did and he won how many SBs?

[bigjosh]

Brady did and he won how many SBs?



False narrative, and false equivalence

[smithandrew051]

GOD DAMN IT BURT!!! HIRRY THE FUCK UP AND OVERPAY SOMEBODY FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!!!

IM PISED OF!!!!

[Coogs]

Right now, spotrac shows us with $400,000 of cap space. Over the Cap shows us $7,000,000 in the hole. Not sure which one is correct.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/cap/

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/kansas-city-chiefs/

I am assuming when business opens for the 2021 season (Wednesday at 4:00 PM?) we have to be under the cap?

[Chiefspants]

The fact there are folks who are suggesting Mahomes should take less per year than Alex Smith’s latest contract is baffling to me.

[Chief Pagan]

We can win the SB without Jones. NE never gives their DL shit and have won over and over again. Draft well, sign vets that have already had a big payday for cheap.

This. Players that win SBs get picked off by other teams. Expect WRs to look awesome with Mahomes and then get overpaid by other teams.

Plus, if you have the talent/fortune to draft well, then you can't pay all that talent market value even if it is a homegrown stud.

We need to replace players with players looking for a ring plus reclamation projects on team friendly deals.

If you sign a cheap Randy Moss, score! If you sign a cheap Antonio Brown, cut his ass and move on.

[Chief Pagan]

Yeah. Mahomes is what, 24, and he just won the freaking SB.

He absolutely deserves to have the honor of being the highest paid NFL player.

I would say a best case, and not one I would count on or expect, is say four or five years from now you can extend him for less than market value. Under pay him in his thirties and then toward the end of his career maybe you can make some of that up by mortgaging the future of the franchise.

The team will then suck going through cap hell, but so what.

[RunKC]

From Nate Taylor:


In the past three weeks, Veach and Jones’ agent, Jason Katz, have discussed options to see if they can move closer to a new deal. Each side believes that Jones shouldn’t perform in the upcoming season on the franchise tag, a one-year salary of $16.1 million. Jones, a four-year veteran, wants long-term financial security. The Chiefs want Jones to play in the prime of his career alongside his friend Frank Clark, the star defensive end. One source described the ongoing negotiations as “neutral.”


Also said Veach is working with Sammy’s agent on an extension.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

From Nate Taylor:



Also said Veach is working with Sammy’s agent on an extension.

Please stop. Idk if I can cum anymore. If Veach can get Jones and Sammy here then he deserves a fucking statue built

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I mean if they can keep Jones and Watkins by some miracle and still fill out the rest of the roster effectively ... sign me up.

[The Franchise]

I mean if they can keep Jones and Watkins by some miracle and still fill out the rest of the roster effectively ... sign me up.

Don’t see how.

[comochiefsfan]

Don’t see how.

Everybody would have to sign well below market value.

Just no way it's realistic.

[Chiefaholic]

The ONLY player on the team that is untradeable in my eyes would be Mahomes. You give the man the richest contract in NFL history if he asks for it. As far as Jones, I respect the hell out of the guy, but he's not worth Donald Driver money. I wish him well as long as he's not playing the Chiefs.

[smithandrew051]

The ONLY player on the team that is untradeable in my eyes would be Mahomes. You give the man the richest contract in NFL history if he asks for it. As far as Jones, I respect the hell out of the guy, but he's not worth Donald Driver money. I wish him well as long as he's not playing the Chiefs.

Donald Driver lol

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

We made a move!! Re signed Henne

[FAX]

Man, oh man ... I will hate to see Jones move on.

Personally, I love it when we can draft and develop our own star players who become NFL icons and spend their careers with the Chiefs. It makes my fuzzy feel all warm inside.

Hopefully, he will learn to love the tag and they can then work something out.

FAX

[PAChiefsGuy]

The ONLY player on the team that is untradeable in my eyes would be Mahomes. You give the man the richest contract in NFL history if he asks for it. As far as Jones, I respect the hell out of the guy, but he's not worth Donald Driver money. I wish him well as long as he's not playing the Chiefs.

I get what you are saying but I dont think Chiefs have any plans to trade Kelce, Hill, Clark, Honey Badger etc. Football is and always will be a team game. No one can do it by themselves. Not even Mahomes.

[New World Order]

I mean if they can keep Jones and Watkins by some miracle and still fill out the rest of the roster effectively ... sign me up.

Must be performing some NE cap voodoo

[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Well before DeForest Buckner&#39;s new deal, my understanding is Chris Jones has been looking for a deal similar to Frank Clark&#39;s for over a year now (Clark got five years and $104M, $60M+ guaranteed).<br><br>We&#39;ll see if he gets there in KC or elsewhere, but that&#39;s been the asking price.</p>&mdash; Matt Verderame (@MattVerderame) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattVerderame/status/1239646920714395650?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Abba-Dabba]

We don’t agree on much, but I’m SO with you on that second part... these guys are often short sighted about the big picture

They get too locked into “we’ll my stats say I’m ranked X, so I want every single penny that rank has coming and maybe more”... and they forget all of the other revenue streams that come from playing for a winner

Years ago I took a part time summer job pulling people files for IRS audit in the state of Illinois, looked at well over a dozen different Bears, Cubs, White Sox, Bulls players... but the highlight was Michael Jordan’s 1996 file, thicker than a copy of War and Peace, and his endorsements from Nike, Hanes etc absolutely DWARFED his contract money that year


We probably agree on much more than you will ever imagine. Politics is just a small part of real life, friend.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Well before DeForest Buckner&#39;s new deal, my understanding is Chris Jones has been looking for a deal similar to Frank Clark&#39;s for over a year now (Clark got five years and $104M, $60M+ guaranteed).<br><br>We&#39;ll see if he gets there in KC or elsewhere, but that&#39;s been the asking price.</p>&mdash; Matt Verderame (@MattVerderame) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattVerderame/status/1239646920714395650?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If that’s what he’s asking for then idk why Veach hasn’t signed him yet

[Chief Northman]

If that’s what he’s asking for then idk why Veach hasn’t signed him yet

Jones and his agent saw what Buckner got.

The ask has gone up.

[SuperBowl4]

Oh no. Another poor multi-millionaire might be unhappy? Boo'F'n who!

[Kiimo]

Oh no. Another poor multi-millionaire might be unhappy? Boo'F'n who!

Everybody should get every penny they deserve

[dlphg9]

Why the fuck is everyone acting like Jones is gone? Most of the guys in the media that are close to the team are saying he's staying. Who is even saying he's gone? Some of you guys that are looking into tweets and press conferences?

The Chiefs didn't even resign Fuller for $10 mil/year. They're keeping money to get a long term deal done with Jones. The "home town discount" Mahomes will give us is by playing next year on his rookie deal o we can ink Jones.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Why the **** is everyone acting like Jones is gone? Most of the guys in the media that are close to the team are saying he's staying. Who is even saying he's gone? Some of you guys that are looking into tweets and press conferences?

The Chiefs didn't even resign Fuller for $10 mil/year. They're keeping money to get a long term deal done with Jones. The "home town discount" Mahomes will give us is by playing next year on his rookie deal o we can ink Jones.

Finally some common sense!

[BossChief]

Re-signing Jones and Watkins would save between 15-20m on the 2020 cap because the first year cap hits would be low.

The problem is making next years cap be healthy.

Personally, I think both get traded but if the team doesn’t appear to try to keep them, they would lose trade value.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Re-signing Jones and Watkins would save between 15-20m on the 2020 cap because the first year cap hits would be low.

The problem is making next years cap be healthy.

True because next year we are gonna need to re sign Schwartz and Kelce as well

[BossChief]

True because next year we are gonna need to re sign Schwartz and Kelce as well

Schwartz already added a year and unsure Kelce will get done this offseason.

[staylor26]

True because next year we are gonna need to re sign Schwartz and Kelce as well

Schwartz already got an extension

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Schwartz already got an extension

Sorry about that. Didn’t realize he had two years left on his deal. Thought it was just one. As for Kelce tho he will get paid as soon as Kittle gets paid

[Chief Roundup]

Two first round picks for Jones?



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Adding to this earlier report on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> DT Chris Jones. Source tells me this will be a non-exclusive franchise tag. <a href="https://t.co/Xd6uZLR9Vf">https://t.co/Xd6uZLR9Vf</a></p>— Herbie Teope (@HerbieTeope) <a href="https://twitter.com/HerbieTeope/status/1239561877249822721?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>There is a reason the Chiefs put the non-exclusive tag on Jones. He can now go out and try to find a contract and then let the teams negotiate his value in trade compensation. It was a smart move in a way because it allows other teams to break the news to Jones that he is not worth what he wants.

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[RunKC]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The one move that I think is definitely coming outside of something with Sammy Watkins, is a restructure of Frank Clark&#39;s contract. Shifting base salary this year to signing bonus. That contract always looked prime for that treatment year 2.</p>&mdash; ChiefBearcat (@Chief_Bearcat) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chief_Bearcat/status/1239908035713171458?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[BossChief]

Don’t see how.

Extend Fisher, Watkins and Kelce. Restructure Clark.

Just have to make sure there’s enough left for Pat

[saphojunkie]

Finally some common sense!

I don't believe in common sense. I believe in data. Science. Math.

When someone shows me how the Chiefs can afford to pay Chris Jones what he is asking, then I will believe it. When they show me how they will pay what he is asking without losing five good players, then I'll be happy.

[TEX]

Why the **** is everyone acting like Jones is gone? Most of the guys in the media that are close to the team are saying he's staying. Who is even saying he's gone? Some of you guys that are looking into tweets and press conferences?

The Chiefs didn't even resign Fuller for $10 mil/year. They're keeping money to get a long term deal done with Jones. The "home town discount" Mahomes will give us is by playing next year on his rookie deal o we can ink Jones.

Exactly. Many couch GM's here want to be in the,"I told you so crowd." Far safer place to be without knowing all the details. Then, if they're wrong, its no harm / no foul and they can be thankful that it worked out.

[Shields68]

There is a reason the Chiefs put the non-exclusive tag on Jones. He can now go out and try to find a contract and then let the teams negotiate his value in trade compensation. It was a smart move in a way because it allows other teams to break the news to Jones that he is not worth what he wants.

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Thought the non-exclusive meant if another team signs him and we decide not to match it they have to give us 2 1st rounders. Now I suppose we can do a sign and trade for less.

[Chief Roundup]

Thought the non-exclusive meant if another team signs him and we decide not to match it they have to give us 2 1st rounders. Now I suppose we can do a sign and trade for less.Right which no team would do. So they will work out dollars and then we will negotiate the trade or if the $$$$ he is offered are low enough he will decide to stay here.

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[PurpleRiders51]

I am starving for some Chiefs news.

[Hoover]

I am starving for some Chiefs news.

We will know a lot today.

[WhawhaWhat]

I am starving for some Chiefs news.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/3orifdO6eKr9YBdOBq/giphy.gif

[Shields68]

Right which no team would do. So they will work out dollars and then we will negotiate the trade or if the $$$$ he is offered are low enough he will decide to stay here.

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See I would guess the Chiefs have an idea on the numbers. I doubt that many teams will talk numbers with Jones. Probably start with the Chiefs to see what it would take to get him. Knowing it is going to be at least your first rounder +and 20 some million a year. But unless your willing to do 2 -1's the Chiefs are still in control and I doubt teams will go straight to Jones. They will want to know if it is realistic before working on a complex contract.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

See I would guess the Chiefs have an idea on the numbers. I doubt that many teams will talk numbers with Jones. Probably start with the Chiefs to see what it would take to get him. Knowing it is going to be at least your first rounder and 20 some million a year. But unless your willing to do 2 -1's the Chiefs are still in control.

Terez said on his podcast that the talks are neutral. Not a lot is coming out but the Chiefs do want to keep him long term

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

I am starving for some Chiefs news.

Today we will know a lot. Will know before 4 PM EST

[Shields68]

Terez said on his podcast that the talks are neutral. Not a lot is coming out but the Chiefs do want to keep him long term

Which is my guess. If they wanted to move him they would be in a rush to get a deal done and probably would have been done. Spending the 20 million budgeted for him is just as important as the draft compensation.

[Coogs]

Terez said on his podcast that the talks are neutral. Not a lot is coming out but the Chiefs do want to keep him long term

Wouldn't the term "neutral" mean there are no talks taking place?

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Wouldn't the term "neutral" mean there are no talks taking place?

He described it as neutral but said there are talks but it’s nothing substantial.

[Chief Northman]

Wouldn't the term "neutral" mean there are no talks taking place?

It means CP will create another 3000 posts on the subject, and yet still know nothing new.

[Chief Roundup]

See I would guess the Chiefs have an idea on the numbers. I doubt that many teams will talk numbers with Jones. Probably start with the Chiefs to see what it would take to get him. Knowing it is going to be at least your first rounder +and 20 some million a year. But unless your willing to do 2 -1's the Chiefs are still in control and I doubt teams will go straight to Jones. They will want to know if it is realistic before working on a complex contract.If they don't know what he is asking they wouldn't know if they want his services.

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[TribalElder]

Might get crazy this afternoon

[Coogs]

He described it as neutral but said there are talks but it’s nothing substantial.


In the past three weeks, Veach and Jones’ agent, Jason Katz, have discussed options to see if they can move closer to a new deal. Each side believes that Jones shouldn’t perform in the upcoming season on the franchise tag, a one-year salary of $16.1 million. Jones, a four-year veteran, wants long-term financial security. The Chiefs want Jones to play in the prime of his career alongside his friend Frank Clark, the star defensive end. One source described the ongoing negotiations as “neutral.”

I read this to say they tried. Still far apart. No more talks taking place right now. :shrug:

[Shields68]

If they don't know what he is asking they wouldn't know if they want his services.

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Like I said the Chiefs could ball park that for them (which is about all you can expect at this point). If you don't want to pay the 2-1's and don't know how far the Chiefs will move, they wouldn't know if they want his services either.

Just have to believe teams will see if the simpler side is realistic before hammering out the more complex negotiations. Unless it is a more of a Cam situation where the Chiefs said we are looking to get x in trade, go find your new home. But it does not appear the Chiefs want him gone at least at this point. Which your back to no one will spend the time negotiating with him unless your willing to pay the 2-1's.

[TEX]

It means CP will create another 3000 posts on the subject, and yet still know nothing new.

But Breeland DID finally become a Chief....:shrug:

[BigChiefFan]

Damn. I wish we would hear something, one way or another.

[TribalElder]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sooner or later we all realize the “student becomes the teacher”!!</p>&mdash; Chris Jones (@StoneColdJones) <a href="https://twitter.com/StoneColdJones/status/1240332897959194625?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

hmm

[cabletech94]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sooner or later we all realize the “student becomes the teacher”!!</p>&mdash; Chris Jones (@StoneColdJones) <a href="https://twitter.com/StoneColdJones/status/1240332897959194625?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

hmm

GOD DAMMIT!!! I WANT REAL ANSWERS NOW!!!! ELEVENTY!11!!!

[RINGLEADER]

GOD DAMMIT!!! I WANT REAL ANSWERS NOW!!!! ELEVENTY!11!!!

Someone asked him in the Tweet what this means and his response was “I just told you.”

Hmmm indeed...

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

So many D Lineman signing in free agency. You gotta think that this is really good news for Jones and the Chiefs to re sign long term

[InChiefsHeaven]

So, did we learn a lot by 4PM??!?!?!?!??!!!??

[chiefforlife]

Offer him the Buckner deal, 4/84 40 guaranteed 21/year.

Hes worth that, get it done!

Big signing bonus to lower cap hit.

[Red Dawg]

Today was nothing. Until we have money cleared up that's all we get.

[RunKC]

Yip

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There are just two teams that have not added any players from outside of their organization so far this offseason: the Chiefs and 49ers.<br><br>That is - at least in part - a reflection of two already formidable rosters where fewer holes exist and a premium placed on retaining talent.</p>&mdash; Field Yates (@FieldYates) <a href="https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1240411074295484422?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[BigChiefFan]

The good news, it’s looking more and more like some players want to remain Chiefs and those are the players that actually contribute to us being a better team with them, than without them, ie Chris Jones, Pennel, and Breeland and hopefully extending Watkins in the process, to give our core team some longevity and stability. If we can retain, those players, we’re looking good for the next few years with the nucleus of the team. I like what Veach has built, if we can get over this hump.

[smithandrew051]

So, did we learn a lot by 4PM??!?!?!?!??!!!??

I DIDNT LESRN SHIT!!

[BigChiefFan]

Get ‘er done, Veach. The train just started, let’s keep our foundation in place for a dynasty.

[threebag]

Today?

[Dunerdr]

Best case scenario is on the non exclusive tag Jones reps shop him, realize the offers arent there/ much lower than they thought and he comes back to kc at a reasonable price.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Offer him the Buckner deal, 4/84 40 guaranteed 21/year.

Hes worth that, get it done!

Big signing bonus to lower cap hit.

Didn't they offer him a better deal last off-season (in terms of guaranteed money) and he rejected it?

If he didn't take the last one, he's certainly not taking this deal (only $40 mil. guaranteed).

[Chief Northman]

I'd offer Jones a $95 million contract
5 years at an average of $19 million per, with $50 million guaranteed.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

I'd offer Jones a $95 million contract
5 years at an average of $19 million per, with $50 million guaranteed.

I don't think that will get it done either.

I think last off-season, he wanted the same (or similar) deal that the Chiefs gave to Frank Clark, but probably would have taken a little less. Now the price tag has gone up.

After back to back elite seasons, his play in the SB, and all the press clippings he's been getting, I think he and his agent see him in the Aaron Donald category (maybe not quite there, but just a notch below).

With that and the new CBA getting done and the cap reportedly about to explode next year, I think his agent wants him to get paid, BIG TIME.

SO that leaves the Chiefs with 3 options:

1. Pay him and make him the second highest paid defensive player in the league (behind Donald)

2. Trade him and get what draft compensation you can for him.

3. Force him to play this year on the tag (which he'll probably do being he has made a paltry sum of money in his NFL career being a second round pick and all, but he won't be happy about it). And you can pretty much kiss him goodbye after this year, if that's the route they decide to go.

But supposedly the Chiefs (Veach) and Jones' agent have both said neither wants him playing on the tag this year.

So, if you believe that, then that really only leaves Door #1 or Door #2.

[saphojunkie]

The longer this goes the more complicated the power struggle becomes. FA dollars dry up so no one out there can give him Donald money. But also... what trading partners are there? I just hope this doesn’t reach a stalemate.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Chris Harris said we are focused on signing Jones and Mahomes long term

[kcclone]

Chris Harris said we are focused on signing Jones and Mahomes long term


If Veach can pull this off, I'll be extremely impressed.

[Shields68]

The longer this goes the more complicated the power struggle becomes. FA dollars dry up so no one out there can give him Donald money. But also... what trading partners are there? I just hope this doesn’t reach a stalemate.

To me the 3 best options (at least having the cap space and need) look to be Seattle, Carolina (especially if they can find a home for Cam) or Detroit.

Problem is that your not getting a 2020 #1 from either Detroit or Carolina. Have to settle for a 2 and maybe 1 next year. But both seem to be in a win now mode. Seattle would be weird in that we did the opposite in taking Clark last year.

[Buckweath]

I'd offer Jones a $95 million contract
5 years at an average of $19 million per, with $50 million guaranteed.

I'm good with that.

I would not offer more.

Then again, I don't think that would do it.

[Chief Northman]

To me the 3 best options (at least having the cap space and need) look to be Seattle, Carolina (especially if they can find a home for Cam) or Detroit.

Problem is that your not getting a 2020 #1 from either Detroit or Carolina. Have to settle for a 2 and maybe 1 next year. But both seem to be in a win now mode. Seattle would be weird in that we did the opposite in taking Clark last year.

You might be able to swap #1's in Carolina's case and get an additional pick in the process. I think Veach would prefer volume in this draft however (Miami fits that criteria with 5 picks in the top 60 picks).

The only guy I could see Veach creaming over inside the top 10 would be Simmons, but he will likely be gone before pick #7. I think Detroit or the Giants take him.

[smithandrew051]

Donald is making $22.5 million per year. 6 year deal.

Buckner will not be making $21 million per year (overpaid IMO). 4 year deal.

I would guess Jones would take a 5 year deal at $21.5-$22 million per year. Right in between those two. That’s probably overpaying him, but he’s still considerably better than Buckner.

[Shields68]

You might be able to swap #1's in Carolina's case and get an additional pick in the process. I think Veach would prefer volume in this draft however (Miami fits that criteria with 5 picks in the top 60 picks).

The only guy I could see Veach creaming over inside the top 10 would be Simmons, but he will likely be gone before pick #7. I think Detroit or the Giants take him.

Yeah Miami has the picks and need. But just not sure if they are in a win now mode. I think Carolina after going with Bridgewater might be, Think the coach in Detroit has to to save his job.

I just see Miami as using their picks, seek some FA's and rebuilding slowly until they have their franchise QB in tow or if going to use their draft picks it would be to move up to insure their QB.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Chris Harris said we are focused on signing Jones and Mahomes long term

Yeah I'm sure he has all the inside info on what the Chiefs are doing.

[ModSocks]

Yeah I'm sure he has all the inside info on what the Chiefs are doing.

I'm sure he has a good idea, yeah. As does his agent. Players talk. Agents talk. And it's no secret to anyone the Chiefs want to pay Mahomes and Jones.

So yeah, he probably has heard something.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Yeah I'm sure he has all the inside info on what the Chiefs are doing.

I don't know that he has all the 'inside info', but based on all the HB/Harris back and forth, it sounds like Harris' agent reached out to the Chiefs to see if 'hey, you interested in my client' and the Chiefs responded something to the likes of 'maybe, but we gotta get CJ (and PMII) figured out before we can do anything with anyone else'.

Just speculation on my part, but I could see something like that happening.

[BossChief]

I'd offer Jones a $95 million contract
5 years at an average of $19 million per, with $50 million guaranteed.

When are you offering that? 2 years ago?

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

I don't know that he has all the 'inside info', but based on all the HB/Harris back and forth, it sounds like Harris' agent reached out to the Chiefs to see if 'hey, you interested in my client' and the Chiefs responded something to the likes of 'maybe, but we gotta get CJ (and PMII) figured out before we can do anything with anyone else'.

Just speculation on my part, but I could see something like that happening.

Harris said the Chiefs just didn’t have cap space for him and were focused on Mahomes and Jones

[Chief Northman]

When are you offering that? 2 years ago?

$7 million more guaranteed money than Frank Clark. Hell, guarantee more.

Keep the overall hit lower, but offer Jones more guaranteed money.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Ummm, Frank Clark's deal had $63 million in guaranteed money.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2832721-report-frank-clark-traded-to-chiefs-from-seahawks-in-deal-with-nfl-draft-picks

You okay with giving Jones $70 million in guaranteed money??

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Ummm, Frank Clark's deal had $63 million in guaranteed money.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2832721-report-frank-clark-traded-to-chiefs-from-seahawks-in-deal-with-nfl-draft-picks

You okay with giving Jones $70 million in guaranteed money??

Yes without a doubt

[Chief Northman]

Sorry for the confusion.

I meant that the guaranteed $50 million is on top of his tag money ($16 million plus, working out to well over $60 million guaranteed - so I guess that works out to just a few million more guaranteed than Clark's deal).

Regardless. Offer Jones more guaranteed money. If that is near $70 million on a 5 year term, then so be it.

[Shields68]

I don't know that he has all the 'inside info', but based on all the HB/Harris back and forth, it sounds like Harris' agent reached out to the Chiefs to see if 'hey, you interested in my client' and the Chiefs responded something to the likes of 'maybe, but we gotta get CJ (and PMII) figured out before we can do anything with anyone else'.

Just speculation on my part, but I could see something like that happening.

Probably more like "No we are not interested, we don't have the cap space."

[tyton75]

Is Sammy Watkins and his enormous cap hit still on the roster?

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Is Sammy Watkins and his enormous cap hit still on the roster?

Yep

[Kiimo]

I expect a reworking of that deal similar to what they did with Clark

[OKchiefs]

I expect a reworking of that deal similar to what they did with Clark

This is his last year, so you can't just rework it. Either the contract is extended under new terms, he takes a pay cut for this one year, or he's simply released. There aren't contract years available to rework it the way we did with Clark.

[Chief Northman]

This is his last year, so you can't just rework it. Either the contract is extended under new terms, he takes a pay cut for this one year, or he's simply released. There aren't contract years available to rework it the way we did with Clark.

Either extension or outright release.

Nobody is trading for him for one year at $14 million, and the Chiefs accrue $7 million in dead money.

[New World Order]

That would be some serious cap voodoo if we extend Jones and Sammy

[smithandrew051]

Either extension or outright release.

Nobody is trading for him for one year at $14 million, and the Chiefs accrue $7 million in dead money.

Extension seems most likely to me.

Correct my logic if I’m wrong here:

We have to pay Sammy $7 million regardless. So, if we release him and pick up another receiver for $5 million, we’re still out $12 million. That receiver likely won’t be as good as Sammy nor will he know the system.

That being said, it would be smarter to have Sammy for $12 million instead of a lesser receiver for $5 million. The cap hit will be the same.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Chiefs just signed Henne. You got to think a move is coming unless he signed for less than 1.8 mil a year

[Shields68]

Extension seems most likely to me.

Correct my logic if I’m wrong here:

We have to pay Sammy $7 million regardless. So, if we release him and pick up another receiver for $5 million, we’re still out $12 million. That receiver likely won’t be as good as Sammy nor will he know the system.

That being said, it would be smarter to have Sammy for $12 million instead of a lesser receiver for $5 million. The cap hit will be the same.

Sammy's been paid the 7 already. It is a cap hit.

The question is do you need him off the books in 2021 or can you afford him at over 10 million (maybe 12 or so) for 2021 and 2022.

I am guessing there is some bluffing involved on both sides. If extended even for 1-2 seasons, it is probably his last big contract. If cut he does not get anywhere close to 14. Might get an average of 10-11 a year. Chiefs probably trying to get him to take a cut to 11 million next year so he is off books by 2021.

But the bottom line is if you believe in Mecole as a #2 wr. Finding another rookie and a cheap Robinson type 3rd wr is pretty appealing given our number problems.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Sammy market value is 10.9 mil so it’s up to him. Accept 11 mil from us or try and find a better deal on the open market

[Chief Roundup]

Yes without a doubt

Sorry for the confusion.

I meant that the guaranteed $50 million is on top of his tag money ($16 million plus, working out to well over $60 million guaranteed - so I guess that works out to just a few million more guaranteed than Clark's deal).

Regardless. Offer Jones more guaranteed money. If that is near $70 million on a 5 year term, then so be it.

Uh hell no. You don't guarantee him $14M a year. That would leave him with a $5M a year base salary.
He needs to have a contract that has more money that is voidable than guaranteed. I don't give a shit about the "total" number as long as it is back loaded. Give him $110 if we can cut him with a year or 2 left and get out of a chunk of that. Yes I know that they probably would not sign a deal like that but then they just need to make it VERY incentive laden.

[BossChief]

I’d give him 12.5-14m AAV if he wants to sign a 5 year deal that’s backloaded.