Chiefs bring back Robinson

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> are re-signing WR Demarcus Robinson to a one-year deal, source said.</p>&mdash; Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1243974080849752064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[ModSocks]

Nice.

[ChiefRocka]

One year to prove he can catch a playoff pass

[notorious]

Catch the ball in the playoffs Drob.

We need you to this season.

[Perineum Ripper]

If he plays like he did against Oakland early in the season, more often. He will be really nice to have around.

[RunKC]

From Shelby Harris to Demarcus Robinson, it looks like these guys markets dried up real fast and I wonder if the virus has something to do with it.

Still need to draft a WR at some point

[notorious]

Remember when we didn't have a single WR touchdown in a season?

Ah, those were the days.

[smithandrew051]

I like it. If we bring Sammy back on a better deal, Mahomes will have the entire crew back.

[comochiefsfan]

He was garbage in the playoffs. Honestly would have rather given his money to someone else, but since he’s coming back I’ll support the move.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Good deal tbh! DRob please catch the ball in the playoffs tho

[Bill Brasky]

This makes it MUCH easier to cut sammie. I thought Robinson was gone for sure. Hill, Robinson, and Hardman is a great crew and we’re not done.

[RealSNR]

He was garbage in the playoffs. Honestly would have rather given his money to someone else, but since he’s coming back I’ll support the move.


It seems like he didn’t have a market, so he’ll be cheap.

Cheap is fine. I can do cheap.

[SAUTO]

Hell yes.

[ModSocks]

The market for WR's never developed thanks to the rich draft class.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Mahomes approves

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RunItBack?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RunItBack</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Demarcus?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Demarcus</a> <a href="https://t.co/Krz2FjvNo1">https://t.co/Krz2FjvNo1</a></p>&mdash; Patrick Mahomes II (@PatrickMahomes) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatrickMahomes/status/1243977821162217472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[srvy]

Surprising but I am fine with it.

[Dante84]

Friendship discounts are a real thing.

Also, it must be brutal to be a mid-tier or even upper-tier (not elite) WR Free Agent this year. This draft class is ****ing loaded.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

So I’m guessing Watkins is gone by tomorrow and we draft a WR

[The Franchise]

I wonder if Sammy is getting a restructured deal or this means he’s gone.

[keg in kc]

He's gotta be dirt cheap. Otherwise, why?

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

I wonder if Sammy is getting a restructured deal or this means he’s gone.

Has to be. We don’t have money for Pennel, Sherman and D rob

[ThyKingdomCome15]

IDK, I'd liked to have replaced Robinson with a more explosive player like Denzel Mims.

The butter fingers virus combined with a stout WR draft class killed Robinson.

[MahomesKnows]

If it's cheap, I can't complain. I hope it doesn't stop us from drafting a guy we like though.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

IDK, I'd liked to have replaced Robinson with a more explosive player like Denzel Mims.

Eh Robinson has chemistry with Mahomes and knows the offense

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Eh Robinson has chemistry with Mahomes and knows the offense

I'm not disagreeing with ya. I just want a stable of physical specimens with Mahomes being who he is. Sammy fits that mold, but he's expensive.

But I will add that Chris Conley was a physical specimen but only an average player. It often doesnt translate.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

I'm not disagreeing with ya. I just want a stable of physical specimens with Mahomes being who he is. Sammy fits that mold, but he's expensive.

Who knows maybe Watkins will get an extension and stay with us and we keep the same WR core.

[comochiefsfan]

This makes it MUCH easier to cut sammie. I thought Robinson was gone for sure. Hill, Robinson, and Hardman is a great crew and we’re not done.

Grab a receiver in the draft and I’ll feel good about cutting Sammy.

[suzzer99]

Damn if Drob had balled out just a little in the playoffs he probably gets paid somewhere.

[Chiefspants]

One year to prove he can catch a playoff pass

He caught a huge one against the Patriots but seemed to forget how to do that this season,

[The Franchise]

They could get rid of Watkins and draft a WR and I’d feel a lot more comfortable now that Robinson is back.

[Easy 6]

Something seemed off with him last season, but I’m still good with this move... keep the band together as much as possible

[DTVietnam]

he made some big plays
buit drop some easy balls in big moments..

hes a locker room signing .

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Demarcus Robinson’s one-year deal is worth $2,297,500 fully guaranteed. That’s the maximum allowed to qualify for the new veteran salary benefit under the CBA. So Robinson gets guaranteed money, but only counts around $1M on the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a>’ cap. <a href="https://t.co/e5REnm4Uvm">https://t.co/e5REnm4Uvm</a></p>&mdash; Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1243982889789906944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Cosmos]

Sammy is the next ball to drop...I think.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Grab a receiver in the draft and I’ll feel good about cutting Sammy.

Reciever class is really deep with a lot of speed and top end talent. There will be at least 3 picked in the first round (Lamb, Jeudy, Ruggs). Definitely gonna be some gems in the second round (Justin Jefferson).

[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Demarcus Robinson’s one-year deal is worth $2,297,500 fully guaranteed. That’s the maximum allowed to qualify for the new veteran salary benefit under the CBA. So Robinson gets guaranteed money, but only counts around $1M on the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a>’ cap. <a href="https://t.co/e5REnm4Uvm">https://t.co/e5REnm4Uvm</a></p>&mdash; Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1243982889789906944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That’s fucking cheap. Damn. He must have had no fucking market out there.

[Wilson8]

I believe this is good news for KC Chiefs. He fits well with the team. Knows his role. He stepped up when Tyreek Hill was out. Willing blocker. Contributes on special teams for coverage. I am sure it is a low cap contract and it won't cost us a comp pick.

2018 - 22 catches 228 yards, 4 TDs.
2019 - 32 catches 449 yards, 4 TDs

The only one upset with this move might be Byron Pringle that just saw some of his opportunity evaporate.

[DaneMcCloud]

That’s fucking cheap. Damn. He must have had no fucking market out there.

That's not surprising to me. The guy played with the best QB in the league and had only 32 catches on 55 targets.

I never understood why people thought he'd leave in Free Agency with a multi-million dollar per year deal.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Demarcus Robinson’s one-year deal is worth $2,297,500 fully guaranteed. That’s the maximum allowed to qualify for the new veteran salary benefit under the CBA. So Robinson gets guaranteed money, but only counts around $1M on the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a>’ cap. <a href="https://t.co/e5REnm4Uvm">https://t.co/e5REnm4Uvm</a></p>&mdash; Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1243982889789906944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

WOW! 1 million cap hit???

I take back everything I said.

Welcome back D-Rob!!!

(I thought he'd get at least 6-7 mil per year a stupid team like the Dolphins or Redskins.)

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Veach knows how to manage the cap wow. I truly have no fear when it comes to getting Mahomes and Jones locked up long term

[Buehler445]

It seems like he didn’t have a market, so he’ll be cheap.

Cheap is fine. I can do cheap.

This.

I didn’t want him back at 8 per like I thought he’d get. But I can do cheap

[Reerun_KC]

Remember when we didn't have a single WR touchdown in a season?

Ah, those were the days.

True. But look at the QBR and HTDs.

[staylor26]

I knew it would be cheap but only 1M against the cap?

I’ll take that all fucking day

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Veach knows how to manage the cap wow. I truly have no fear when it comes to getting Mahomes and Jones locked up long term

I have fear but... yeah I'm not confident lol

I hope we can though. We're gonna have to free up a ton of cap at some point to pay both. I dont have that answer.

(And who says we have to pay Pat this year? Then again, get that man locked up ASAP!)

[Hoover]

Fantastic news.

Trade or extend Watkins and we are in business.

[Buckweath]

I feel like DRob has the potential to be an 800-yard WR. Best thing for him long term might indeed be to prove his full potential this season and then cash in on a long term contract.

I'm a fan of DRob.

It would certainly help him though if Watkins was not kept. And him resigning offers Chiefs protection should Watkins be traded or released.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

D-Rob is a Raider shredding machine! That's worth a couple mil anyhow.

[carcosa]

He seems nice!!!! I like this!!!!!!!

[RealSNR]

Friendship discounts are a real thing.

Also, it must be brutal to be a mid-tier or even upper-tier (not elite) WR Free Agent this year. This draft class is ****ing loaded.

Unless you're a broke dick like Randall Cobb. Then BOB will pay you out the ass

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

They used that Vet cap thing Dane talked about. Veach is up to date with this new CBA

[staylor26]

wHaT iS vEaCh dOiNg

[Chief Northman]

Damn. Robinson already entering year 5. It doesn’t feel that long.

Robinson is coming off his most productive season to date, and even though he can frustrate with easy drops, he is a contributor on special teams aside from some of his chain-moving, and sporadic big plays. I think the most underrated thing about his game though is his blocking. The guy is scrappy and plays to the whistle. Using this new salary cap loophole with the veteran benefit is a perfect tool to apply to a player like Robinson. He gets to stay home, get a mild raise with fully guaranteed money, and now the Chiefs have some options with regards to what to do with Sammy, as the depth is in good shape.

Good move here Veach.

[Hoover]

Meanwhile Albert Wilson costs the Dolphins 10M

2018 - 26 rec 391 yards 4TDs
2019 - 43 rec 351 yards 1 TD

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

From Shelby Harris to Demarcus Robinson, it looks like these guys markets dried up real fast and I wonder if the virus has something to do with it.

Still need to draft a WR at some point

It's a deep WR draft class, similar talent less money. He knows our system, so makes sense for us, but not a new team.

[Deberg_1990]

Whatever Mahomes wants.....he gets.

[The Franchise]

I have to think that Veach has something in the works with Breeland. He’s had no hits out there that have been talked about.

[Hoover]

Heck bringing back Hill, Hardman, and Robinson is great. If Veach can figure out Sammy all the better. This offense is going to be be so damn smooth!

[Halfcan]

This Chiefs offense is going to be hard to stop. They are all friends and play with a swagger.

I think it is a great move to bring him back- he still has a huge upside.

[Dante84]

That's not surprising to me. The guy played with the best QB in the league and had only 32 catches on 55 targets.

I never understood why people thought he'd leave in Free Agency with a multi-million dollar per year deal.

Because the Giants and Eagles had (rumored) interest prior to FA and everyone remembers Albert Wilson.

[RealSNR]

With Robinson back, it makes way too much sense to cut/trade Watkins, guys. I'm not going to bitch if Veach extends him, but I'd rather just have the cap room at this point. No, Robinson isn't close to being as good as Watkins, but he's always available and rarely ever on the injury report. There's something to be said about that.

It's putting pressure on Hardman to speed up his development, but he should be improved and able to do a little more than just go routes and gadget plays. Add to that one of these outstanding rookie WRs, and we'll have a terrific combination of vets, talent, and potential all without paying through the nose.

Mahomes can do that. He's used to not having Watkins for stretches of the season anyway. That slight drop in lethal talent is worth it for the money.

[jettio]

DeMarcus Robinson is another example of a guy that had supposed character concerns in the draft eval and he comes here and does nothing but work hard and contribute in any way he can and make solid friendships with teammates.

Cashing over $200k in postseason checks is less per game than regular season for a lot of players, but I am sure it is still a consideration for a free agent when deciding where to play.

[ForeverIowan]

If we are releasing/trading Watkins I wouldnt be shocked if that was communicated to DRob and his agent to convince him to a one year deal for so cheap. Bet on yourself. Come back and have yourself a fricken year catching the ball from Patrick Mahomes and then go get yourself a pay day. If Watkins is released would love to see us draft a WR in the first or second as DRob is inevitably gone in 2021.

[UChieffyBugger]

Folks love to rag on D-Rob but imo he had two of the best games from any of our WR's when we beat Oakland and the Ravens. And with him knowing Pat and the system already this is a very good move. Just hope he continues to improve and get better.

[Dante84]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> make a really smart signing here. Only $1M against the cap for a WR who knows Andy Reid&#39;s offensive system under Patrick Mahomes. The Chiefs presumably won’t have OTAs this year to teach up a newcomer. KC doesn’t have much room but being smart with what it has. <a href="https://t.co/9lSjUwDTZl">https://t.co/9lSjUwDTZl</a></p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1243985274570526723?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Easy 6]

DeMarcus Robinson is another example of a guy that had supposed character concerns in the draft eval and he comes here and does nothing but work hard and contribute in any way he can and make solid friendships with teammates.

Cashing over $200k in postseason checks is less per game than regular season for a lot of players, but I am sure it is still a consideration for a free agent when deciding where to play.

Never heard of any supposed character concerns, what were they?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Considering the other 2 teams in it only offered minimum deals, he did well here. <a href="https://t.co/U64jPrk8fN">https://t.co/U64jPrk8fN</a></p>&mdash; Adam Caplan (@caplannfl) <a href="https://twitter.com/caplannfl/status/1243993326304575490?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[FAX]

Knows the system. History with Mahomes. Usually doesn't vomit in an F/A-18. Good move.

Peachy, Veachy.

FAX

[Dante84]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Considering the other 2 teams in it only offered minimum deals, he did well here. <a href="https://t.co/U64jPrk8fN">https://t.co/U64jPrk8fN</a></p>&mdash; Adam Caplan (@caplannfl) <a href="https://twitter.com/caplannfl/status/1243993326304575490?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[ThaVirus]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Demarcus Robinson’s one-year deal is worth $2,297,500 fully guaranteed. That’s the maximum allowed to qualify for the new veteran salary benefit under the CBA. So Robinson gets guaranteed money, but only counts around $1M on the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a>’ cap. <a href="https://t.co/e5REnm4Uvm">https://t.co/e5REnm4Uvm</a></p>&mdash; Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1243982889789906944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Initially I was thinking "meh" but consistency is key and that's a killer deal for a veteran WR who knows our system, is a willing blocker and doesn't get hurt often.

[sedated]

If Sammy leaves and DRob has a semi good season, could lead to a decently big contract for him next offseason

[Wilson8]

Never heard of any supposed character concerns, what were they?

Robinson was suspended twice during his freshman season after failing multiple tests for marijuana. In 2014, he had his breakout season and started 11 of 12 games. He was suspended for their season-opener, that was eventually canceled due to weather, against Idaho after failing another drug test for marijuana.[2] Robinson made 53 receptions for 810 receiving yards and seven touchdown receptions. He led the Gators in as a junior in 2015 with 48 receptions and also had 522 receiving yards and two touchdowns in 13 games and nine starts.[3] On November 28, 2015, Florida Gator's head coach Jim McElwain suspended Robinson 75 minutes before their 27-2 loss to Florida State.[4] The suspension was due to a violation of NCAA and team rules. It was reported the violation was due to Robinson's meeting with a marketing official and it marked his fourth suspension in three years with Florida

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demarcus_Robinson

Nothing real bad in today's standards but a few things that lowered his draft value.

[TripleThreat]

Cheap deal. He’s gonna be hungry to prove what he’s got on a 1 year deal. I don’t expect him to make me think he’s some great player, but if there’s ever a time he’s gonna do it, it should be on this 1 year deal contract so I’m good with it.

[DaneMcCloud]

Because the Giants and Eagles had (rumored) interest prior to FA and everyone remembers Albert Wilson.

That still doesn't mean that a multi-million dollar deal would make any sense.

Granted, I'm not a huge fan due his drops but when people were thinking he was going to get in excess of $4 million per, I thought "Wha?".

The best part of this signing is that it allows any drafted WR some time to get up to speed in what will most likely be a very, very short offseason (OTA's, minicamps, et al), if there's an offseason at all.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Meanwhile Albert Wilson costs the Dolphins 10M

2018 - 26 rec 391 yards 4TDs
2019 - 43 rec 351 yards 1 TD

He can thank Mahomes for that. Wilson had the game of his life week 17 at DEN. He was Mahomes primary target and looked all world while many starters rested for the Playoffs.

[Easy 6]

Nothing real bad in today's standards but a few things that lowered his draft value.

Ah, thanks... yeah that’s pretty minor these days

[DaneMcCloud]

Cheap deal. He’s gonna be hungry to prove what he’s got on a 1 year deal. I don’t expect him to make me think he’s some great player, but if there’s ever a time he’s gonna do it, it should be on this 1 year deal contract so I’m good with it.

He should have been "hungry" in the final season of his contract yet 32 catches on 55 target.

That doesn't sound "hungry" to me.

Not to mention his underwhelming performance in the playoffs.

[Red Dawg]

Meh. Happy he's staying cheap buthes never gone past his nothing needed status.

[The Franchise]

He should have been "hungry" in the final season of his contract yet 32 catches on 55 target.

That doesn't sound "hungry" to me.

Not to mention his underwhelming performance in the playoffs.

In this offense it’s hard to rack up catches when you’re literally the 5th or 6th option. Watkins didn’t rack up the catches either and he’s the #2 WR.

[Red Dawg]

He had what like 35 catches. So his knew deal is 68k per catch. That sounds insane what athletes make.

[kcclone]

Cheap deal and he knows the offense so it’s a solid decision. The market for WR’s must be drying up with a deep draft class at that position.

[FAX]

He had what like 35 catches. So his knew deal is 68k per catch. That sounds insane what athletes make.

I used to get this all the time. "You want HOW MUCH? For an HOUR?"

What these rubes never seemed to realize is that you're not paying for that hour. You're paying for the tens of thousands of practice hours.

Rubes are wacky.

FAX

[DaneMcCloud]

In this offense it’s hard to rack up catches when you’re literally the 5th or 6th option. Watkins didn’t rack up the catches either and he’s the #2 WR.

Sure but 32 catches on 55 targets is pretty weak.

I mean, sure, it's more than fine for a 1 year, $1 million dollar deal but I don't think the rest of the league looked at him as anything special, hence the lack of even a Chris Conley-type deal.

[Wilson8]

He should have been "hungry" in the final season of his contract yet 32 catches on 55 target.

That doesn't sound "hungry" to me.


I agree that hungry is not the issue for Demarcus.

You know he works hard and wants to succeed. He was part of the off season workout crowd that caught passes from Patrick. (There were several videos that showed this). He is one of the positive team cheer leaders that seems to be encouraging others.

If anything his drops are part of trying too hard and not being relaxed and natural but you absolutely know that he can make the tough catch because he has made some beautiful ones.

Also I have no stats to show for this, but I think several of his drops were on throws that were a little bit off. A little behind where he had to reach back. Yes, a good receiver needs to bring those in. I think he will work on that and be better this next season.

[DaneMcCloud]

I think he will work on that and be better this next season.

So, what's he going to "work on" that he's been unable to work on the past 4 years?

Look, I'm not bagging on the signing at all but Robinson has been nothing more than a JAG and the lack of serious interest and contract reflect that fact.

I hope he's more productive when the ball comes his way this season but I'm not expecting him to suddenly take over the #2 spot in the offense.

[RunKC]

He should have been "hungry" in the final season of his contract yet 32 catches on 55 target.

That doesn't sound "hungry" to me.

Not to mention his underwhelming performance in the playoffs.

Problem for Robinson is now he’s got Hardman learning more of the offense in year 2 and having valuable snaps cut down.

Still can’t believe people on this board thought Robinson was better than Hardman last year LMAO

[Mecca]

The WR market has stalled for everyone except Cooper because of the draft class. Bringing back a guy who knows the system and has started is a big move especially when Watkins is either our or often injured if he does return.

[DaneMcCloud]

Problem for Robinson is now he’s got Hardman learning more of the offense in year 2 and having valuable snaps cut down.

Still can’t believe people on this board thought Robinson was better than Hardman last year LMAO

Watson's future is clouded at this point and Robinson signed just a 1 year deal, so it seems very, very likely that the Chiefs will draft at least one wide receiver early in this draft.

[Hoover]

What do you mean, we can have 3 1000 yard WRs and a TE that gets 1000 yards and they all get 10 TDs! I mean Pat can throw 4000 yds and 40 TDs in his sleep.

[Hoover]

Yes, like a 4th or 5th rounder.

[DaneMcCloud]

What do you mean, we can have 3 1000 yard WRs and a TE that gets 1000 yards and they all get 10 TDs! I mean Pat can throw 4000 yds and 40 TDs in his sleep.

Hyperbole.

What's most important is the fact that he was targeted 55 times and came down with only 32 of those throws.

That's a 42% incompletion rate.

[BigRedChief]

So, what's he going to "work on" that he's been unable to work on the past 4 years?

Look, I'm not bagging on the signing at all but Robinson has been nothing more than a JAG and the lack of serious interest and contract reflect that fact.

I hope he's more productive when the ball comes his way this season but I'm not expecting him to suddenly take over the #2 spot in the offense.he and the GF/Wife? hang out with Mahomes/Brittany a lot socially. Wonder if they needed a JAG, why not let it be someone Mahomes already gets along with and knows their tendencies on the field?

[Skyy God]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> make a really smart signing here. Only $1M against the cap for a WR who knows Andy Reid&#39;s offensive system under Patrick Mahomes. The Chiefs presumably won’t have OTAs this year to teach up a newcomer. KC doesn’t have much room but being smart with what it has. <a href="https://t.co/9lSjUwDTZl">https://t.co/9lSjUwDTZl</a></p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1243985274570526723?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DRob for a $1M cap hit?

Good job Veachy!

[RealSNR]

Hyperbole.

What's most important is the fact that he was targeted 55 times and came down with only 32 of those throws.

That's a 42% incompletion rate.

Pretty much this.

He'll only ever be a WR3 at most probably, and as long as he doesn't get too expensive, that's fine.

[Hydrae]

Watson's future is clouded at this point and Robinson signed just a 1 year deal, so it seems very, very likely that the Chiefs will draft at least one wide receiver early in this draft.

Adding Pringle into the mix and I think this means even without Sammy we can wait on WR until a bit later. Use the first three picks on some combination of LB, DB, IOL and go from there.

[RealSNR]

Let's also not forget that we do still have Gehrig Dieter!

[Hydrae]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Demarcus Robinson’s one-year deal is worth $2,297,500 fully guaranteed. That’s the maximum allowed to qualify for the new veteran salary benefit under the CBA. So Robinson gets guaranteed money, but only counts around $1M on the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a>’ cap. <a href="https://t.co/e5REnm4Uvm">https://t.co/e5REnm4Uvm</a></p>&mdash; Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1243982889789906944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Now that is how you post a tweet into the right thread. Good job! :thumb:

[Red Dawg]

Let Watson walk and draft one.

[Bump]

Awesome!

[The Franchise]

Let Watson walk and draft one.

Who?

[tyecopeland]

They used that Vet cap thing Dane talked about. Veach is up to date with this new CBA

We discussed (argued) about that in the sherman thread. I mentioned Robinson as the only other guy that would be eligible for it. Didnt think we'd be using it on him though. Glad to be wrong. But that means that whatever Sherman got paid all counts against the cap. Anything up to 1.25 mil over the minimum could have been used on either of those guys.

[Pitt Gorilla]

That's not surprising to me. The guy played with the best QB in the league and had only 32 catches on 55 targets.

I never understood why people thought he'd leave in Free Agency with a multi-million dollar per year deal.

After the drops and opportunities he had, he wasn’t getting a deal like that. You don’t pay that much for a blocking WR.

[DaneMcCloud]

Adding Pringle into the mix and I think this means even without Sammy we can wait on WR until a bit later. Use the first three picks on some combination of LB, DB, IOL and go from there.

I'd prefer the Chiefs draft to the strength of the class.

They missed out on 2014 and hope they don't miss out on 2020.

[DaneMcCloud]

After the drops and opportunities he had, he wasn’t getting a deal like that. You don’t pay that much for a blocking WR.

Exactly

[Chargem]

I don't know if I like the whole WR band getting back together when the draft class is so talented, so if Robinson is back I think letting Watkins go might be the right thing to do.

Sort of paves the way nicely for a draft pick, gives them a year to get up to speed on the offense to take a bigger role after this one year deal is up.

[DaneMcCloud]

Adding Pringle into the mix and I think this means even without Sammy we can wait on WR until a bit later. Use the first three picks on some combination of LB, DB, IOL and go from there.

I don't believe that Pringle's presence on the roster should preclude the Chiefs from drafting an amazingly talented receiver from this class.

Pringle, who will turn 27 in November, is the very definition of a JAG.

[The Franchise]

I don't believe that Pringle's presence on the roster should preclude the Chiefs from drafting an amazingly talented receiver from this class.

Pringle, who will turn 27 in November, is the very definition of a JAG.

This. Draft a quality WR and get rid of Watkins. Then after this year we can have Hill, Hardman and the rookie as our top 3.

[DRM08]

$1M cap hit is pretty great work by Veach. Now let's see what he can do with Sammy.

[TimeForWasp]

I like Robinson. His drops are probably why we got him back cheap, but I think he is a better player than his unfortunate drops presented.

[candyman]

Greg?

[Shields68]

Adding Pringle into the mix and I think this means even without Sammy we can wait on WR until a bit later. Use the first three picks on some combination of LB, DB, IOL and go from there.

Yeah too many holes on Dee to use a early pick on a wr. You might have to ad DL to the list if we have not worked out a deal with Jones.

[Hoover]

Greg?
that's a banable offense!

[DaneMcCloud]

Yeah too many holes on Dee to use a early pick on a wr. You might have to ad DL to the list if we have not worked out a deal with Jones.

If the Chiefs dealt Jones, they'd receive at least one additional first round pick, so they would not be required to use #32 overall selection on a defensive tackle.

On top of that, never draft for need.

That's how teams end up with bad drafts and losing records year in and year out.

[TimeForWasp]

If the Chiefs dealt Jones, they'd receive at least one additional first round pick, so they would not be required to use #32 overall selection on a defensive tackle.

On top of that, never draft for need.

That's how teams end up with bad drafts and losing records year in and year out.

That's like saying "Never go to the store and buy what you are looking for. Just buy any good deal you walk by."

[dlphg9]

Meh. Happy he's staying cheap buthes never gone past his nothing needed status.

What does this even mean?

Are you and OKchiefs the same guy? You both have to find something to criticize in every single thing this team does. Im eagerly awaiting the other idiot to come whine about not getting him for vet min or because the deal is fully guaranteed.

[DaneMcCloud]

That's like saying "Never go to the store and buy what you are looking for. Just buy any good deal you walk by."

Absolutely false.

Reaching for a player in the draft because it's a "need" is how teams end up drafting guys like KeiVarae Russell, who was cut after his first Training Camp, or any number of first rounders that were chosen and later cut due to a "need".

Draft the Best Available Player, period. If that just happens to be a defensive player, fine but it's unlikely that will be the case at #32 overall, as this draft is loaded with Wide Receivers and running backs.

[RealSNR]

That's like saying "Never go to the store and buy what you are looking for. Just buy any good deal you walk by."

If the Chiefs drafted for need in 2017, we wouldn't have Mahomes right now. We probably wouldn't have taken Chris Jones in 2016, either. And in the 2019 draft, we probably would have passed on one of Hardman, Thornhill, or Saunders so we could take a CB instead.

This is the NFL. You have to continually innovate. If all you do is fill needs on your team, you wind up with the Titans, going 9-7 every year and constantly doing nothing but treading water.

[Hoover]

That's like saying "Never go to the store and buy what you are looking for. Just buy any good deal you walk by."
Not really.

In football you are limited to a shopping list of 25 items. Some more valuable than others. Some you need more of than others.

Its not just best player available.
Its not best player available at a position of need.

Its talent, value, position, and need all wrapped in to every pick.

Early in the draft you better be looking for playmakers. The Chiefs are where they are at because they have nailed finding playmakers all over the draft, Mahomes in Rd 1, Jones in Rd 2, Kelce Rd 3, Hill Rd 5, and on and on.

[candyman]

Absolutely false.

Reaching for a player in the draft because it's a "need" is how teams end up drafting guys like KeiVarae Russell, who was cut after his first Training Camp, or any number of first rounders that were chosen and later cut due to a "need".

Draft the Best Available Player, period. If that just happens to be a defensive player, fine but it's unlikely that will be the case at #32 overall, as this draft is loaded with Wide Receivers and running backs.

It's not that cut and dry. As a general overall philosophy you take the best player available, but there are always variables that can create exceptions to the rule. When we had Priest and LJ both playing well would you have wanted a RB if that was the BPA with that joke of a defense we were fielding?

[eDave]

What's all the excitement about?

[DaneMcCloud]

It's not that cut and dry. As a general overall philosophy you take the best player available, but there are always variables that can create exceptions to the rule. When we had Priest and LJ both playing well would you have wanted a RB if that was the BPA with that joke of a defense?

The Chiefs drafted LJ while Priest was in his prime.

Ignoring the BPA is how the Chiefs ended up with Ryan Sims, Junior Siavii, Tank, Turk and a whole shitload of worthless players.

It's a horrible draft "strategy".

[RealSNR]

It's not that cut and dry. As a general overall philosophy you take the best player available, but there are always variables that can create exceptions to the rule.

Right. If for some stupid reason Tua fell to the Chiefs at 32, we still wouldn't draft him even though he'd probably be the BPA. The same applies if a player at the same position is the BPA in every round you draft in. In those cases, you either take somebody else or find a way to get out of that pick and put your draft stock to better use.

Veach does a pretty good job of navigating the draft so that the Chiefs picks are used to select players that are almost always at the top of their board.

[mnchiefsguy]

Given the fact that there will probably not being any OTA's, and training camp could be shorter this year, I like the signing, especially with the low cap hit.

[The Franchise]

The Chiefs drafted LJ while Priest was in his prime.

Ignoring the BPA is how the Chiefs ended up with Ryan Sims, Junior Siavii, Tank, Turk and a whole shitload of worthless players.

It's a horrible draft "strategy".

And drafting Larry Johnson cost us Troy Polamalu. The Steelers traded up to our spot for him. We should have stayed where we were and taken Polamalu.

[DaneMcCloud]

And drafting Larry Johnson cost us Troy Polamalu. The Steelers traded up to our spot for him. We should have stayed where we were and taken Polamalu.

Yeah, Carl made a massive mistake in trading back with Pittsburgh and passing on Polamalu.

But then again, Carl made massive mistakes each and every year in the draft, which is why the Chiefs won nothing when he ran the team.

[Easy 6]

This. Draft a quality WR and get rid of Watkins. Then after this year we can have Hill, Hardman and the rookie as our top 3.

If that rookie receiver is Brandon Aiyuk, that’s a sickening trio of fast twitch athletes... sold

[FAX]

I suppose the D-Rob enmity and loathing are due to the playoff dropsies ... but (at times) so did Kelce. D-Rob played well for us and helped the Chiefs win the Super Bowl, so if Mahomes likes this deal, I'm all for it.

In retrospect (although I haven't looked up numbers or figures or digits or numerals or any of that useless crap), Sammy was probably our most solid and dependable receiver in the post-season.

Therefore, I'm still holding out hope that Sammy works out a deal with Veachy. At the moment, we have a receiving corp that is the envy of the league and it would be nice to keep it intact-ish.

That way, we can focus our attention on drafting defensive studs.

FAX

[candyman]

The Chiefs drafted LJ while Priest was in his prime.

Ignoring the BPA is how the Chiefs ended up with Ryan Sims, Junior Siavii, Tank, Turk and a whole shitload of worthless players.

It's a horrible draft "strategy".

You just completely sidestepped my point but okay.

[Mr. Kotter]

I'm guessing they are preparing for losing Watkins then...I sure hope he's over the case of dropsies he had for a chunk of last year...

[HemiEd]

Great news! Anyone else watch that freak loss to the Titans week 10 on NFLN yesterday? Robinson had to have one of his best games ever!

[HemiEd]

He was garbage in the playoffs. Honestly would have rather given his money to someone else, but since he’s coming back I’ll support the move. Wow, I will be the Chiefs just had a collective sigh of relief. Thank you for your support.

[ForeverIowan]

This. Draft a quality WR and get rid of Watkins. Then after this year we can have Hill, Hardman and the rookie as our top 3.

Tee Higgins is the perfect compliment to the track speed of Hill and Hardman. Also a huge fan of KJ Hamler if they want to go with three burners.

[DaneMcCloud]

You just completely sidestepped my point but okay.

So every once in a while, the stars align and the BPA is actually a player of need?

Awesome draft strategy!

[candyman]

So every once in a while, the stars align and the BPA is actually a player of need?

Awesome draft strategy!

No. BPA isn't ALWAYS the strategy you should take. Generally, yes. Always, no. Like I said before, its not that cut and dry.

[srvy]

If we are releasing/trading Watkins I wouldnt be shocked if that was communicated to DRob and his agent to convince him to a one year deal for so cheap. Bet on yourself. Come back and have yourself a fricken year catching the ball from Patrick Mahomes and then go get yourself a pay day. If Watkins is released would love to see us draft a WR in the first or second as DRob is inevitably gone in 2021.

He was in his contract year last year and he went ghost then dropsy. Probably why he came back numbers not as expected.

[crispystl]

Nothing real bad in today's standards but a few things that lowered his draft value.


Damn. He looked high as a mofo in the playoff game against the Texans for sure.


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[Red Dawg]

Don't trust him. The way ran into a ref and didn't care just screams problem.

[nychief]

Terrible year for FA wideouts.... F'n Anderson only got 2-20. With the draft loaded, just bad timing. I don't know what happens with Watkins, but wouldn't they have released him by now? What sorat contract can Watkins get at this point if he were released? Who has cap for an expensive wideout? He might be better off just renegotiating with us.

[RealSNR]

Why is that a bad deal for Anderson? He's a #2 WR. He puts up #2 WR numbers. 10 million per year is a fair contract, in my opinion.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

So I’m guessing Watkins is gone by tomorrow and we draft a WR

Only logical choice I think.

I don’t follow college football much, but I hear it’s a deep pool of WRs.

[scho63]

If Watkins and D Rob could meld into one receiver with the combined stats, that would be great. They would be a legit #2

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Considering the other 2 teams in it only offered minimum deals, he did well here. <a href="https://t.co/U64jPrk8fN">https://t.co/U64jPrk8fN</a></p>&mdash; Adam Caplan (@caplannfl) <a href="https://twitter.com/caplannfl/status/1243993326304575490?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[suzzer99]

Seems like Robinson is betting on himself that with Watkins gone he can have a bigger year and get paid next year somewhere else.

[scho63]

Seems like Robinson is betting on himself that with Watkins gone he can have a bigger year and get paid next year somewhere else.

He better learn to catch a pass first in the playoffs. :rolleyes:

[Chiefspants]

He better learn to catch a pass first in the playoffs. :rolleyes:

He caught the highest stakes pass Mahomes threw against the Patriots last year.

He’s far better than his performance in the playoffs this year - and I know he badly wanted Mahomes throw as time expired against the 49ers.

[scho63]

Watching this replay of all our highlights for the regular season and D Rob had some GREAT catches for TDs. Not sure why he lost it in the playoffs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYkZIMQZQ6M

Nerves?
Lack of concentration?

Not sure, doesn't make sense.

[Chargem]

No. BPA isn't ALWAYS the strategy you should take. Generally, yes. Always, no. Like I said before, its not that cut and dry.

Clearly there's a bit of nuance to any draft strategy, no one is saying if an amazing punter is there in the first take him because he is the best punter ever.

To me, there are 3 elements to drafting:

Best player available
Positional value (a good pass rusher is more valuable to a team than a good running back, in my opinion)
Need


Need is by far the least important, to the point its rarely worth considering.

[UK_Chief]

Sammy gone then Shirley?

[UChieffyBugger]

D-Rob was good against the Pats and very decent against the Titans In Smith's last game here so any notion that he can't play in the playoffs is stupid imo.

[Best22]

He caught the highest stakes pass Mahomes threw against the Patriots last year.

He’s far better than his performance in the playoffs this year - and I know he badly wanted Mahomes throw as time expired against the 49ers.

He simply didn’t have many targets. Fans are probably overreacting to his performance against the Texans

The last pass doesn’t count though because the Niners probably quit on the play. Even Mahomes wasn’t interested in completing the ball.

For all intensive purposes Mahomes was actually 26/41 and had 44 rush yards, not 29.

[oldman]

I think this is a solid signing. Consider there probably won't be any rookie camp and Watkins is probably going to be a cap cut casualty, the experience level he brings is well worth the $1M against the cap.
If we got both Sherman and DRob for a little over a million against the cap and Pennel didn't break the bank (I never did see any money numbers), does that make it a wash if we let Watkins go?

[tmax63]

Keeping the skill players together on the O for the most part makes sense with limited spring work due to the virus. Spags has shown the ability to teach a defense to the entire group in half a season so only adding several new players on D will be an improvement over last year. With only five picks the Chiefs need to pick their spots where they can upgrade with the draft and try to keep things together the best they can.

[Shields68]

If the Chiefs dealt Jones, they'd receive at least one additional first round pick, so they would not be required to use #32 overall selection on a defensive tackle.

On top of that, never draft for need.

That's how teams end up with bad drafts and losing records year in and year out.

You are assuming we are able to trade Jones prior to the draft. I think that is becoming more and more unlikely. The reality is that he might just hold out most of the year.

[Chief Northman]

You are assuming we are able to trade Jones prior to the draft. I think that is becoming more and more unlikely. The reality is that he might just hold out most of the year.

He won’t hold out. New CBA really discourages/almost prevents this type of behaviour by players. Here are a couple summary points below:

Holdouts

Increased fines for holdouts and players who leave training camp without permission

Players under contract who fail to report to camp on time or leaves the team for more than five days without permission will no longer be eligible to earn an accrued season for that year

[Perineum Ripper]

Don't trust him. The way ran into a ref and didn't care just screams problem.



https://i.giphy.com/media/glmRyiSI3v5E4/giphy.gif

[Red Dawg]

He knocked down a ref in the end zone. Didn't care. I don't like that. He was also invisible in the post season.

[Perineum Ripper]

He knocked down a ref in the end zone. Didn't care. I don't like that. He was also invisible in the post season.

What problems does that scream? You do realize refs get rolled in every single game, right? It is part of the game and very rarely do the people who knock them down help the ref up.

I don’t like how he went invisible during the playoffs but he also was a huge reason we won the first game against Oakland. So if he is only a million against the cap, knows this system, and continues to improve. You getting upset over him knocking down a ref, is really weird and makes very little sense.

[rtmike]

Everyone saying he knows the system must not remember he has a learning disability and has never really grasped the playbook. Sorry, I don't have the link I remember reading that.

Most of his catches are from Mahomes running for his life with no route being run and go routes.

[rtmike]

He won’t hold out. New CBA really discourages/almost prevents this type of behaviour by players. Here are a couple summary points below:

Holdouts

Increased fines for holdouts and players who leave training camp without permission

Players under contract who fail to report to camp on time or leaves the team for more than five days without permission will no longer be eligible to earn an accrued season for that year

bolded was a concession not liked by the players...

[Red Dawg]

He just isn't very good. Disappers a lot. If they thought he was really good then Watkins would have been cut already.

[FloridaMan88]

I am not the biggest DRob fan (it’s hard to get his meltdown in the Houston playoff game out of my memory)... but the fact he knows the offense and his familiarity with Mahomes is his biggest asset considering there may not be any offseason until training camp.

[OKchiefs]

He won’t hold out. New CBA really discourages/almost prevents this type of behaviour by players. Here are a couple summary points below:

Holdouts

Increased fines for holdouts and players who leave training camp without permission

Players under contract who fail to report to camp on time or leaves the team for more than five days without permission will no longer be eligible to earn an accrued season for that year

Even if he doesn't hold out, if he plays out the year on the tag his cost probably goes up even more next year and the tag number goes up. We also pretty much have to extend Mahomes by next off-season. So he plays this year on the tag and is disgruntled and then either walks next year for nothing or gets the franchise tag for $20+ million to eat up whatever little cap space we have? It doesn't add up. Either trade him or extend him now.

[The Franchise]

He just isn't very good. Disappers a lot. If they thought he was really good then Watkins would have been cut already.

And we should cut Watson.....and Okafor is on the Saints right?

You’re literally the dumbest motherfucker on this board and there are some stupid fucks that post here.

[Chief Northman]

And we should cut Watson.....and Okafor is on the Saints right?

You’re literally the dumbest mother****er on this board and there are some stupid ****s that post here.

:LOL:

[Spott]

He knocked down a ref in the end zone. Didn't care. I don't like that. He was also invisible in the post season.

That play was the ref’s fault for not being aware of his surroundings. There were two players running full speed at the ball trying to down it at the goal line and the guy had his back completely turned to Robinson.

[DaneMcCloud]

You are assuming we are able to trade Jones prior to the draft. I think that is becoming more and more unlikely. The reality is that he might just hold out most of the year.

:facepalm:

[FAX]

Don't trust him. The way ran into a ref and didn't care just screams problem.

"... screams problem." ?

I'm not so sure about that ...

Considering what NFL officials have done to us in the post-season through the years, I'd say it screams "excellent spatial awareness".

FAX

[FAX]

I had a rare thought-thing I don't know what to do with, so I'll post it here.

Catch% from PFF:

Robinson - 59.1
Tyreek - 67.9
Kelce - 70.9
Sammy - 63.4

Okee Dokee ...

Does it make sense that the catch % for a WR#3 or #4 would be lower than the #1 and #2 guys? I mean, on account of the fact that the #3 or #4 guys are usually catching balls after the play is already not working properly? Since, obviously, if the play was great, the #1 or #2 guys would have already been targeted and all?

Theoretically, the #3 or #4 guy is basically getting balls that are being thrown under duress or when the timing is already shot to hell.

FAX THE DEEP THINKER

[Hoover]

I had a rare thought-thing I don't know what to do with, so I'll post it here.

Catch% from PFF:

Robinson - 59.1
Tyreek - 67.9
Kelce - 70.9
Sammy - 63.4

Okee Dokee ...

Does it make sense that the catch % for a WR#3 or #4 would be lower than the #1 and #2 guys? I mean, on account of the fact that the #3 or #4 guys are usually catching balls after the play is already not working properly? Since, obviously, if the play was great, the #1 or #2 guys would have already been targeted and all?

Theoretically, the #3 or #4 guy is basically getting balls that are being thrown under duress or when the timing is already shot to hell.

FAX THE DEEP THINKER
Interesting - but there are other factors too, like how deep the QB is throwing, plus not every pass is catchable, even with Pat. Sometimes if flings it up there and you are like WTF, but in the end its like well dam, it was right there for WR X to catch.

[dlphg9]

I had a rare thought-thing I don't know what to do with, so I'll post it here.

Catch% from PFF:

Robinson - 59.1
Tyreek - 67.9
Kelce - 70.9
Sammy - 63.4

Okee Dokee ...

Does it make sense that the catch % for a WR#3 or #4 would be lower than the #1 and #2 guys? I mean, on account of the fact that the #3 or #4 guys are usually catching balls after the play is already not working properly? Since, obviously, if the play was great, the #1 or #2 guys would have already been targeted and all?

Theoretically, the #3 or #4 guy is basically getting balls that are being thrown under duress or when the timing is already shot to hell.

FAX THE DEEP THINKER

With Patrick Bestmotherfuckingqbinthehistoryofentiregoddamnworld Mahomes running the offense every receiver is the primary receiver.

[Chiefaholic]

On the topic of the thread, signing Robinson to a very team friendly deal as basically Pat's 4th option when he drops back for a pass is OK in my book. He's a solid downfield blocker, a solid special teamer, seems to get along well with other team mates, and will know the offense on day 1. He won't get a 1000 barring significant injuries to Hill, Kelce, and Hardman. But,the one year contract allows the team to draft a WR in this extremely talented class and learn the playbook.

On the side topic, you absolutely draft best player available other than QB. If that happens to be a WR, you take him. Teams can't afford to pass on can't miss guys and be successful down the road.

[Pitt Gorilla]

I had a rare thought-thing I don't know what to do with, so I'll post it here.

Catch% from PFF:

Robinson - 59.1
Tyreek - 67.9
Kelce - 70.9
Sammy - 63.4

Okee Dokee ...

Does it make sense that the catch % for a WR#3 or #4 would be lower than the #1 and #2 guys? I mean, on account of the fact that the #3 or #4 guys are usually catching balls after the play is already not working properly? Since, obviously, if the play was great, the #1 or #2 guys would have already been targeted and all?

Theoretically, the #3 or #4 guy is basically getting balls that are being thrown under duress or when the timing is already shot to hell.

FAX THE DEEP THINKER
No. Andy designs plays for every receiver on the field to be the #1 look. If you watch the Texans game, for example, Robinson was target #1 on a play where he dropped the ball.

[dlphg9]

Interesting - but there are other factors too, like how deep the QB is throwing, plus not every pass is catchable, even with Pat. Sometimes if flings it up there and you are like WTF, but in the end its like well dam, it was right there for WR X to catch.

That's blasphemous! You are a fucking heretic! You are going to be burned at the cross!

[Pitt Gorilla]

On the topic of the thread, signing Robinson to a very team friendly deal as basically Pat's 4th option when he drops back for a pass is OK in my book. He's a solid downfield blocker, a solid special teamer, seems to get along well with other team mates, and will know the offense on day 1. He won't get a 1000 barring significant injuries to Hill, Kelce, and Hardman. But,the one year contract allows the team to draft a WR in this extremely talented class and learn the playbook.

On the side topic, you absolutely draft best player available other than QB. If that happens to be a WR, you take him. Teams can't afford to pass on can't miss guys and be successful down the road.Agree with everything here.

[Pitt Gorilla]

That's blasphemous! You are a ****ing heretic! You are going to be burned at the cross!
He's a witch!

[FAX]

Interesting - but there are other factors too, like how deep the QB is throwing, plus not every pass is catchable, even with Pat. Sometimes if flings it up there and you are like WTF, but in the end its like well dam, it was right there for WR X to catch.

Clearly, there are a variety of factors as you say, Mr. Hoover.

I'm sure there have been teams in which the #3 guy has better hands and/or a larger catch radius than the #1 guy. In a case like that, maybe the #1 guy simply runs better routes or is faster or knows the playbook better or whatever. On the other hand, maybe the #3 guy is a slow, plodding dumbass who is rarely targeted but has catcher's mitts for hands.

In our case, we know that Mahomes is farcically accurate even when pressured or when the play breaks down.

Still, it seems to make sense that a #3 or #4 guy is (more often than not) a last-ditch solution to a busted play ... like a longer-distance safety-valve sort of player. Whereas, the #1 guy has the benefit of the original play design giving the #1 guy the advantages of timing as well as expected, planned (vs unexpected and improvised) accuracy.

It's only a theory, but I wonder if the league-wide numbers bear that out.

FAX

[RealSNR]

He just isn't very good. Disappers a lot. If they thought he was really good then Watkins would have been cut already.

When you pay dudes small money, any contribution to the team is valuable.

If the extremely unlikely happens and Gehrig Dieter and a bunch of other scrubs are head-and-shoulders better than Robinson to the point that the Chiefs can't afford to NOT have them on the roster, they would be on the hook for the extra $1.5 million or whatever it is that Robinson currently gets as a vet exemption in this deal.

That's literally the only possible way this could be a bad deal. And let's not forget about how valuable he could be in the case of injuries occurring throughout the lineup.

Like... I'm fine if people don't care about the edges of the roster and are like, "Whatever" regarding this move, but if you think it's a bad deal, you're kind of a fucking idiot.

[Pitt Gorilla]

2016 Draft WR

Browns: Corey Coleman, Baylor (Round 1, pick 15)
Texans: Will Fuller, Notre Dame (Round 1, pick 21)
Washington: Josh Doctson, TCU (Round 1, pick 22)
Vikings: Laquon Treadwell, Ole Miss (Round 1, pick 23)
Giants: Sterling Shepard, Oklahoma (Round 2, pick 40)
Saints: Michael Thomas, Ohio State (Round 2, pick 47)
Bengals: Tyler Boyd, Pittsburgh (Round 2, pick 55)
Texans: Braxton Miller, Ohio State (Round 3, pick 85)
Dolphins: Leonte Carroo, Rutgers (Round 3, pick 86)
Ravens: Chris Moore, Cincinnati (Round 4, pick 107)
Patriots: Malcolm Mitchell, Georgia (Round 4, pick 112)
Browns: Ricardo Louis, Auburn (Round 4, pick 114)
Rams: Pharoh Cooper, South Carolina (Round 4, pick 117)
Chiefs: Demarcus Robinson, Florida (Round 4, pick 126)
Titans: Taise Sharpe, Massachusetts (Round 5, pick 140)
Browns: Jordan Payton, UCLA (Round 5, pick 154)
Packers: Trevor Davis, California (Round 5, pick 163)
Chiefs: Tyreek Hill, West Alabama (Round 5, pick 165)

[FAX]

No. Andy designs plays for every receiver on the field to be the #1 look. If you watch the Texans game, for example, Robinson was target #1 on a play where he dropped the ball.

We all know that different players (ostensibly identified as the team's #1 or #4 or whatever) can be the #1 option on any given play call, Mr. Pitt Gorilla.

However, let's not kid ourselves (or in the case of pigs; "shoat ourselves") here.

Mahomes' #1 option in most cases is either Tyreek or Kelce ... with Sammy taking the #3 spot in terms of targets. In D-Rob's case, he's been targeted fewer than half as much as Kelce and Tyreek and almost half compared to Sammy.

Therefore, in the context of my theory, he would be the #4 guy (even though he might be the #1 option on certain plays).

FAX

[BigChiefFan]

This is a great move. This helps keep the unity and familiarity in tact for the offense. We didn’t pay squat for him and he has shown he can make plays. You can never have too much depth.

[Chiefshrink]

Eh Robinson has chemistry with Mahomes and knows the offense

which is huge in keeping the dynasty momentum going. Just needs ice in his veins during the playoffs :thumb:

[Chiefshrink]

2016 Draft WR

Browns: Corey Coleman, Baylor (Round 1, pick 15)
Texans: Will Fuller, Notre Dame (Round 1, pick 21)
Washington: Josh Doctson, TCU (Round 1, pick 22)
Vikings: Laquon Treadwell, Ole Miss (Round 1, pick 23)
Giants: Sterling Shepard, Oklahoma (Round 2, pick 40)
Saints: Michael Thomas, Ohio State (Round 2, pick 47)
Bengals: Tyler Boyd, Pittsburgh (Round 2, pick 55)
Texans: Braxton Miller, Ohio State (Round 3, pick 85)
Dolphins: Leonte Carroo, Rutgers (Round 3, pick 86)
Ravens: Chris Moore, Cincinnati (Round 4, pick 107)
Patriots: Malcolm Mitchell, Georgia (Round 4, pick 112)
Browns: Ricardo Louis, Auburn (Round 4, pick 114)
Rams: Pharoh Cooper, South Carolina (Round 4, pick 117)
Chiefs: Demarcus Robinson, Florida (Round 4, pick 126)
Titans: Taise Sharpe, Massachusetts (Round 5, pick 140)
Browns: Jordan Payton, UCLA (Round 5, pick 154)
Packers: Trevor Davis, California (Round 5, pick 163)
Chiefs: Tyreek Hill, West Alabama (Round 5, pick 165)

and Tyler Boyd is head and shoulders above everybody in this list except for Tyreek no doubt.

[MahomesKnows]

and Tyler Boyd is head and shoulders above everybody in this list except for Tyreek no doubt.

That Michael Thomas guy is pretty good...

[Pitt Gorilla]

and Tyler Boyd is head and shoulders above everybody in this list except for Tyreek no doubt.Michael Thomas is the top player on there. Reek is #2, IMO.

[Chiefshrink]

That Michael Thomas guy is pretty good...

Michael Thomas is the top player on there. Reek is #2, IMO.

Bingo on that!! I read that list too fast, my bad !!;)

[ModSocks]

Michael Thomas is the top player on there. Reek is #2, IMO.

Yeah maybe. But...

Payton on the NFL’s most dangerous player: “Hey Drew, tell Peter who’s the most dangerous player in football right now.”

Brees: “Tyreek Hill.”

https://nbcsportsgrouppressbox.com/2018/11/19/drew-brees-sean-payton-give-peter-king-unique-access-for-football-morning-in-america-exclusively-on-nbcsports-com/

[Pitt Gorilla]

Yeah maybe. But...



https://nbcsportsgrouppressbox.com/2018/11/19/drew-brees-sean-payton-give-peter-king-unique-access-for-football-morning-in-america-exclusively-on-nbcsports-com/I wouldn't disagree with that either. I like both players a lot.