Kelce, Berry Named to 2010s All-Decade Team by Pro Football HoF

[Marco Polo]

EDIT: Tyreek and Mathieu were also named. I clicked too soon.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/pro-football-hall-of-fame-announces-2010s-all-decade-team-tom-brady-bill-belichick-among-nine-patriots/

Here are the 53 selections to the 2010s All-Decade Team:
Offense

WR – Antonio Brown, Larry Fitzgerald (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/492934/larry-fitzgerald), Calvin Johnson (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/502629/calvin-johnson), Julio Jones (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1623794/julio-jones)
TE – Rob Gronkowski, Travis Kelce (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1725130/travis-kelce)
T – Jason Peters (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/493695/jason-peters), Tyron Smith (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1631899/tyron-smith), Joe Staley (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/421449/joe-staley), Joe Thomas
G – Jahri Evans (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1107211/jahri-evans), Logan Mankins, Zack Martin (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1691613/zack-martin), Marshal Yanda
C – Alex Mack (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/504640/alex-mack), Maurkice Pouncey (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1273188/maurkice-pouncey)
QB – Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/419780/aaron-rodgers)
RB – Frank Gore (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/411568/frank-gore), Marshawn Lynch (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/504639/marshawn-lynch), LeSean McCoy (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1243187/lesean-mccoy), Adrian Peterson
Flex – Darren Sproles
Defense

DE – Calais Campbell (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/520548/calais-campbell), Cameron Jordan (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1272992/cameron-jordan), Julius Peppers (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/302214/julius-peppers), J.J. Watt
DT – Geno Atkins (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1114813/geno-atkins), Fletcher Cox (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1700843/fletcher-cox), Aaron Donald, Ndamukong Suh (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/563145/ndamukong-suh)
LB – Chandler Jones, Luke Kuechly (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1679691/luke-kuechly), Khalil Mack (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1692203/khalil-mack), Von Miller, Bobby Wagner (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1631476/bobby-wagner), Patrick Willis (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/430383/patrick-willis)
CB – Patrick Peterson (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1632296/patrick-peterson), Darrelle Revis, Richard Sherman (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1117823/richard-sherman)
S – Eric Berry (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1255016/eric-berry), Earl Thomas (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1245247/earl-thomas), Eric Weddle (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/423334/eric-weddle)
DB – Chris Harris (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1853171/chris-harris), Tyrann Mathieu (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1737333/tyrann-mathieu)
Special Teams

P – Johnny Hekker (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1974200/johnny-hekker), Shane Lechler
K – Stephen Gostkowski, Justin Tucker
PR – Tyreek Hill (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/2131163/tyreek-hill), Darren Sproles
KR – Devin Hester (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/412717/devin-hester), Cordarrelle Patterson
Coaches

Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll

[smithandrew051]

I could argue Mitchell Schwartz over Joe Staley.

Excuse me, Super Bowl Champion Mitchell Schwartz.

It’s also crazy to think that the Browns once had Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, and Mitchell Schwartz starting on their OL.

[CasselGotPeedOn]

I could argue Mitchell Schwartz over Joe Staley.

Excuse me, Super Bowl Champion Mitchell Schwartz.

It’s also crazy to think that the Browns once had Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, and Mitchell Schwartz starting on their OL.

And they still blew chunks.

[Deberg_1990]

No Jamaal Charles?

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

How the hell does Alex Mack make it but not Jason Kelce

[Skyy God]

Fuck HoboSpirit with a bridge abutment.

[carcosa]

Mahomes got fucking ROBBED

[DJ's left nut]

I could argue Mitchell Schwartz over Joe Staley.

Excuse me, Super Bowl Champion Mitchell Schwartz.

It’s also crazy to think that the Browns once had Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, and Mitchell Schwartz starting on their OL.

over Tyron Smith as well. Hell, I'd listen over Peters. Thomas is the only one where I'm like 'yeah, he was clearly better'. But man, NOBODY has been better over the last 4 years than Schwartz.

The one that stood out to me was Patrick Willis. I get that we've all forgotten how absurdly good he was. For my money, he makes Kuechly look like a hobo - Willis was a monster.

But he played half the decade, lads. You can't have a dude on the all decade team who's last real season was 2013.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Mahomes got ****ing ROBBED

He will be the 2020s all decade team.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Tyreek and Honey Badger also made it!! KC represented real good

[Flying High D]

Fuck HoboSpirit with a bridge abutment.

Pics?

[Hammock Parties]

i gotta be honest, berry belongs nowhere near this list

he had 3 very good seasons, and one pretty good season....and the rest was not much to write home about

[smithandrew051]

And they still blew chunks.

Further goes to show how important a HC/QB combination is. 3 guys with hall of fame level talent on one line...aaannnnnddd they fucking suck.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

i gotta be honest, berry belongs nowhere near this list

he had 3 very good seasons, and one pretty good season....and the rest was not much to write home about

Kam Chancellor should’ve made it over Berry

[ChiefBlueCFC]

As it has already been pointed out, but Mitchell Schwartz is grossly underrated. Also, Pete Carroll over Andy Reid or John Harbaugh? Don't get me wrong, Pete is a damn good coach, but Andy has done more with a lot less. Look at those offenses he had from 2013 - 2015 and the defenses he had in 2017 - 2018...

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

As it has already been pointed out, but Mitchell Schwartz is grossly underrated. Also, Pete Carroll over Andy Reid or John Harbaugh? Don't get me wrong, Pete is a damn good coach, but Andy has done more with a lot less. Look at those offenses he had from 2013 - 2015 and the defenses he had in 2017 - 2018...

Yea but he didn’t win the big games in the 2010s. He will definitely be in the 2020s tho. He already started the 20s off with a super bowl win

[smithandrew051]

Kam Chancellor should’ve made it over Berry

I don’t know about that.

Berry was first team all pro three times. Chancellor only made second team twice.

If I’m building a team, yeah I might take Chancellor. Based on pure accolades in the decade, I probably choose Berry.

[Hoover]

Those running backs suck

[Perineum Ripper]

I think I would take Reid over Carrol for coaches, but I might be a homer.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

I think I would take Reid over Carrol for coaches, but I might be a homer.

Pete won more Super Bowls than Reid

[DJ's left nut]

I think I would take Reid over Carrol for coaches, but I might be a homer.

Strictly off the resumes, Carrol gets the nod.


Pete is 100-60 in the regular season to Reid's 99-61; virtually a wash so you go to playoff performance. Carrol is 10-7 w/ 2 conference championships and a SB in 8 playoff seasons while Reid is 5-6 w/ 1 conference championship and a SB in 7 playoff appearances.

The Seahawks were in slightly better shape than the Chiefs when Carrol got there, but they weren't a safe bet by any means.

I think Reid's a safer bet going forward and the guy I'd rather have right this very minute, but a rearview mirror analysis of the last decade says that Carrol has a slightly stronger case. Reid comes in a safe 3rd, IMO, especially with Sean Payton's SB coming in the 2009 season (and his suspension being in this one). Harbaugh maybe in the running but apart from that 2012 run he's really done very little. The Ravens haven't won a playoff game since 2014 so that's gotta hold him back.

There really isn't much of a conversation after 3rd, IMO.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Strictly off the resumes, Carrol gets the nod.


Pete is 100-60 in the regular season to Reid's 99-61; virtually a wash so you go to playoff performance. Carrol is 10-7 w/ 2 conference championships and a SB in 8 playoff seasons while Reid is 5-6 w/ 1 conference championship and a SB in 7 playoff appearances.

The Seahawks were in slightly better shape than the Chiefs when Carrol got there, but they weren't a safe bet by any means.

I think Reid's a safer bet going forward and the guy I'd rather have right this very minute, but a rearview mirror analysis of the last decade says that Carrol has a slightly stronger case. Reid comes in a safe 3rd, IMO, especially with Sean Payton's SB coming in the 2009 season (and his suspension being in this one). Harbaugh maybe in the running but apart from that 2012 run he's really done very little. The Ravens haven't won a playoff game since 2014 so that's gotta hold him back.

There really isn't much of a conversation after 3rd, IMO.

Reid never won a super bowl in the 2010s

[DJ's left nut]

Pete won more Super Bowls than Reid

{sigh}

[Ubeja Vontell]

When the AFL merged with the NFL that was it. When the All Time AFL team was announced the Chiefs Fred Arbansas was the TE. If we never played another football season Chiefs TE Tony Gonzalez would be the All Time TE.

Point...Chiefs have had some TE's

[BWillie]

Berry? Like Eric Berry?

[WhawhaWhat]

Everyone forgetting about Chiefs legend Darrelle Revis.

[ThaVirus]

i gotta be honest, berry belongs nowhere near this list

he had 3 very good seasons, and one pretty good season....and the rest was not much to write home about

Probably says more about the state of safety play in the NFL this decade than anything. We've fallen far from the Reed/Polamalu/ Dawkins days. Who would seriously be in consideration? Earl Thomas, Kam Chancellor, Eric Berry, Harrison Smith, Weddle. Maybe McCourty.

[ThaVirus]

I'm actually kind of shocked that Kelce wasn't a unanimous vote.

I get that Gronk is going to be the #1 choice for 100 out of 100 voters, but Kelce's only competition was Greg Olsen who peaked just a hair earlier (and came into the league waaayyy earlier). Kelce's peak was higher, it lasted longer, he's more explosive, Super Bowl champion, etc. Olsen only had four seasons with over 1,000 yards this decade and he played in every season. Kelce only played from 2014 and onward.

The only thing I can say about Olsen over Kelce is that Kelce fumbles a lot more, but I'd say it's a fair trade-off for the extra yards, TDs and consistency.

[luv]

McCoy over Charles?

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

McCoy over Charles?

Yea look at McCoys stats. They are insane. Hall of Famer

[ThaVirus]

McCoy over Charles?

I don't like it either but I can understand it. McCoy's run lasted from 2010-2017 while Charles was 2010-2015. Injuries and not being able to use that 2009 season really hurts Charles' case.

I also understand why people would choose Marshawn Lynch with the postseason success and signature runs.

.. But Frank Gore over Jamaal Charles? I'm sorry but no. Matt Forte or Jamaal Charles should have been given a spot over Gore.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

I don't like it either but I can understand it. McCoy's run lasted from 2010-2017 while Charles was 2010-2015. Injuries and not being able to use that 2009 season really hurts Charles' case.

I also understand why people would choose Marshawn Lynch with the postseason success and signature runs.

.. But Frank Gore over Jamaal Charles? I'm sorry but no. Matt Forte or Jamaal Charles should have been given a spot over Gore.

Um you see Gores stats? Longevity is key here. It’s about all of the 2010s not just a couple good years

[Deberg_1990]

I don't like it either but I can understand it. McCoy's run lasted from 2010-2017 while Charles was 2010-2015. Injuries and not being able to use that 2009 season really hurts Charles' case.

I also understand why people would choose Marshawn Lynch with the postseason success and signature runs.

.. But Frank Gore over Jamaal Charles? I'm sorry but no. Matt Forte or Jamaal Charles should have been given a spot over Gore.

Gore was a good back, but never truly spectacular. Well 1 spectacular season. But hes kinda like another Curtis Martin. Just was always consistent.

[KurtCobain]

Charles got fucked on this list.

[ThaVirus]

Um you see Gores stats? Longevity is key here. It’s about all of the 2010s not just a couple good years

It's definitely a longevity vs efficiency/peak argument, but look at this graph. Peterson is a no-brainer, McCoy led the decade in yards from scrimmage, and Lynch takes the decade's lead in postseason rushing stats so they all make sense.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&year_min=2010&year_max=2019&season_start=1&season_end=-1&pos%5B%5D=rb&draft_year_min=1936&draft_year_max=2019&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&draft_pick_in_round=pick_overall&conference=any&draft_pos%5B%5D=qb&draft_pos%5B%5D=rb&draft_pos%5B%5D=wr&draft_pos%5B%5D=te&draft_pos%5B%5D=e&draft_pos%5B%5D=t&draft_pos%5B%5D=g&draft_pos%5B%5D=c&draft_pos%5B%5D=ol&draft_pos%5B%5D=dt&draft_pos%5B%5D=de&draft_pos%5B%5D=dl&draft_pos%5B%5D=ilb&draft_pos%5B%5D=olb&draft_pos%5B%5D=lb&draft_pos%5B%5D=cb&draft_pos%5B%5D=s&draft_pos%5B%5D=db&draft_pos%5B%5D=k&draft_pos%5B%5D=p&c1stat=rush_yds&c1comp=gt&c1val=3000&c2val=0&c3stat=rec&c3comp=gt&c5val=1.0&order_by=av&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool#results

Out of 48 qualified rushers, Frank Gore was #4 in rushing yards. Very nice, very cool. Except he was #1 in carries, good for #37 in YPC. Ouch.

Frank Gore scored a TD every 45th touch on average. Jamaal Charles scored a TD every 25th touch.

Jamaal Charles>>>>>>>Frank Gore

[Red Dawg]

Berry? He should be on the all injured team and over paid team. Did he even play 5 of the 10?

[Red Dawg]

I looked. 5 exactly with out missing a whole bunch of games.

[Chiefaholic]

Further goes to show how important a HC/QB combination is. 3 guys with hall of fame level talent on one line...aaannnnnddd they ****ing suck.

Roaf, Waters, Wiegmann, Shields, Tait..... Screwed over by one of the most inept defenses in the history of the NFL... :#:#:#:#:#:#:#

[Hoover]

I looked. 5 exactly with out missing a whole bunch of games.
Which means Charles deserves to be on the list.

[Red Dawg]

Berry should not be higher than 3rd string.

[smithandrew051]

Roaf, Waters, Wiegmann, Shields, Tait..... Screwed over by one of the most inept defenses in the history of the NFL... :#:#:#:#:#:#:#

Please don’t remind me. Horrible team management there.

Elite level OL and running game. Atrocious defense.

Draft all defense. Miss on pretty much every pick. Let the offense get old and expensive. Then proceed to ignore QB once your decent QB gets his head spiked by Cincy. Talk about doing everything wrong.

[Redbled]

{sigh}


Just had to hand it off......

[rtmike]

When the AFL merged with the NFL that was it. When the All Time AFL team was announced the Chiefs Fred Arbansas was the TE. If we never played another football season Chiefs TE Tony Gonzalez would be the All Time TE.

Point...Chiefs have had some TE's

and RBs, lol.

[DJ's left nut]

It's definitely a longevity vs efficiency/peak argument, but look at this graph. Peterson is a no-brainer, McCoy led the decade in yards from scrimmage, and Lynch takes the decade's lead in postseason rushing stats so they all make sense.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&year_min=2010&year_max=2019&season_start=1&season_end=-1&pos%5B%5D=rb&draft_year_min=1936&draft_year_max=2019&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&draft_pick_in_round=pick_overall&conference=any&draft_pos%5B%5D=qb&draft_pos%5B%5D=rb&draft_pos%5B%5D=wr&draft_pos%5B%5D=te&draft_pos%5B%5D=e&draft_pos%5B%5D=t&draft_pos%5B%5D=g&draft_pos%5B%5D=c&draft_pos%5B%5D=ol&draft_pos%5B%5D=dt&draft_pos%5B%5D=de&draft_pos%5B%5D=dl&draft_pos%5B%5D=ilb&draft_pos%5B%5D=olb&draft_pos%5B%5D=lb&draft_pos%5B%5D=cb&draft_pos%5B%5D=s&draft_pos%5B%5D=db&draft_pos%5B%5D=k&draft_pos%5B%5D=p&c1stat=rush_yds&c1comp=gt&c1val=3000&c2val=0&c3stat=rec&c3comp=gt&c5val=1.0&order_by=av&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool#results

Out of 48 qualified rushers, Frank Gore was #4 in rushing yards. Very nice, very cool. Except he was #1 in carries, good for #37 in YPC. Ouch.

Frank Gore scored a TD every 45th touch on average. Jamaal Charles scored a TD every 25th touch.

Jamaal Charles>>>>>>>Frank Gore

Better player vs. better career is a hard argument to have, though.

Was Charles better at his apex? Absolutely. But did Charles do more for his teams in his 90 games and 1100 carries than Frank Gore did for his over 150 games and 2400 carries?

Pretty tough to make that argument, isn't it?

Yeah, Charles was a better player, but I don't think that's how you name guys to teams like this. You do that based on total productivity over the defined time period.

Half the battle is showing up and ultimately, Gore showed up. In a game of attrition like football, that's a wildly underrated part of it (and why I don't think Charles is a HoFer or that Davis deserved any meaningful consideration either). Over the course of the decade, Gore simply did more than Charles did.

[ThaVirus]

Better player vs. better career is a hard argument to have, though.

Was Charles better at his apex? Absolutely. But did Charles do more for his teams in his 90 games and 1100 carries than Frank Gore did for his over 150 games and 2400 carries?

Pretty tough to make that argument, isn't it?

Yeah, Charles was a better player, but I don't think that's how you name guys to teams like this. You do that based on total productivity over the defined time period.

Half the battle is showing up and ultimately, Gore showed up. In a game of attrition like football, that's a wildly underrated part of it (and why I don't think Charles is a HoFer or that Davis deserved any meaningful consideration either). Over the course of the decade, Gore simply did more than Charles did.

Honestly, I'd rather have 10 games of Jamaal Charles and 6 of some scrub free agent than 16 of the 2010s version of Frank Gore.

In either case, I understand that most wouldn't agree given Charles lack of longevity and volume, but what's the argument for Gore over Matt Forte?

[ThaVirus]

These lists are shit anyway. They really need to figure out the 3-4/4-3 DE and OLB designations. Also, what the fuck is the "DB" designation? Flex is dumb as hell, too.

[smithandrew051]

These lists are shit anyway. They really need to figure out the 3-4/4-3 DE and OLB designations. Also, what the fuck is the "DB" designation? Flex is dumb as hell, too.

“Flex” kinda feels like a player who can do a little of everything, but isn’t great at anything.

My problem with that is you have players like Tyreek Hill or Antonio Brown that could be useful in a lot of ways. However, they’re used primarily as WRs, because they’re too valuable to lose to an injury. No need to take the risk having Tyreek return kick offs for instance.

[DJ's left nut]

Honestly, I'd rather have 10 games of Jamaal Charles and 6 of some scrub free agent than 16 of the 2010s version of Frank Gore.

In either case, I understand that most wouldn't agree given Charles lack of longevity and volume, but what's the argument for Gore over Matt Forte?

Forte was effectively done by 2016; he was a backup by 2017. So he was only relevant for roughly 2/3 of the decade.

So with Forte you get a combination of Gore's low floor and Charles' relatively short duration.

I would argue Gore AND Charles over Forte. At least both guys have strong arguments in a single direction. With Forte you have durability, longetivity and overall productivity. With Charles you have among the most electric and dynamic peaks in NFL history. With Forte you get none of that.

Regarding the '10 games of Charles, 6 games of scrub' - the issue is that A) that's not what you tended to get (way too many times you got effectively zero games of Charles) and B) you can't know when you'll actually get those games so it's hard to build around them.

Come post-season you knew you had Gore (and he was actually pretty damn good; people forget how critical he was to those Harbaugh teams that went to a SB and another NFCCG). With Charles, you oftentimes had him injured by the end of the season or, in the case of the Indy game, bounced out during it. When the Chiefs were trying to nurse him along in '14 and missed the playoffs by a game when they struggled down the stretch, well that should be considered. Or when he missed '15 and they were as good/better without him than they were with him.

There's just not enough credit given to dependability here, IMO.

[Demonpenz]

Gore checks all the boxes as chiefs fan. Works hard. Not flashy. Works everyday. Mostly retarded.

[ThaVirus]

Forte was effectively done by 2016; he was a backup by 2017. So he was only relevant for roughly 2/3 of the decade.

So with Forte you get a combination of Gore's low floor and Charles' relatively short duration.

I would argue Gore AND Charles over Forte. At least both guys have strong arguments in a single direction. With Forte you have durability, longetivity and overall productivity. With Charles you have among the most electric and dynamic peaks in NFL history. With Forte you get none of that.

Regarding the '10 games of Charles, 6 games of scrub' - the issue is that A) that's not what you tended to get (way too many times you got effectively zero games of Charles) and B) you can't know when you'll actually get those games so it's hard to build around them.

Come post-season you knew you had Gore (and he was actually pretty damn good; people forget how critical he was to those Harbaugh teams that went to a SB and another NFCCG). With Charles, you oftentimes had him injured by the end of the season or, in the case of the Indy game, bounced out during it. When the Chiefs were trying to nurse him along in '14 and missed the playoffs by a game when they struggled down the stretch, well that should be considered. Or when he missed '15 and they were as good/better without him than they were with him.

There's just not enough credit given to dependability here, IMO.

Blah. I was remembering Matt Forte as elite or at least semi-elite there for a while but maybe I'm remembering wrong. Outside of a couple seasons he was basically a 1000-1100 rushing yards a season kind of guy, though he definitely excelled in the passing game.

I definitely tend to underrate dependability but I just know that if Frank Gore was my RB, I'd have been looking to replace him for basically 60% of the decade and that just doesn't sit well with me.