So lets talk some legit options for our pick.

[Mecca]

So with Breeland coming back that pretty much leaves us open to take the best player on the board.

I'd like in this thread to post some videos and such since in a lot of threads there are questions about how good a guy is and what he can do so twitter and youtube of course are great for vids.

Even though I've pined for Willie Gay quite a bit there are numerous other guys I'd be fine with using our pick on because well they'd be fine fits.

So I'll start with some Willie Gay video since I've been asked a few times what he's good at...

[Mecca]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Firmly believe that Willie Gay, Jr. will be the steal of the 2020 NFL Draft. <br><br>✅ 4.46 40-yard dash <br>✅ 39.5 inch vertical <br>✅ 11’4” broad jump<br><br>These are back-to-back plays against Alabama in 2018: <a href="https://t.co/6tD1397vXo">pic.twitter.com/6tD1397vXo</a></p>&mdash; Cole Patterson (@colelpatterson) <a href="https://twitter.com/colelpatterson/status/1247296301580062720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Watch him close...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wish he&#39;d trust his eyes more because when Willie Gay Jr. clicks into a running play his closing speed is insane. Absolute missile to the ball. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Patriots?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Patriots</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFLDraft?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFLDraft</a> <a href="https://t.co/70P4Y1Er3s">pic.twitter.com/70P4Y1Er3s</a></p>&mdash; Evan Lazar (@ezlazar) <a href="https://twitter.com/ezlazar/status/1247263246379253764?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[ForeverIowan]

Thanks for starting this thread it is needed. 100% trust Veach. My amateur opinion and the pick that would currently make me jump off the couch would be JK Dobbins. Fills both an immediate and future need and provides us with a respectable running game.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4eT9trb4TbA&t=24s

[Pitt Gorilla]

I’d love Gay, Swift, or just about whatever talent falls to us.

[Mecca]

Some Patrick Queen

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Make all my wishes come true, oh<br>All I want for Draftmas is Patrick Queen<br><br>Queen LB #8<br><br>+ Range<br>+ Vision<br>+ Route I.D.<br>+ Run key &amp; fits<br>+ Quick trigger to close<br>+ Body control approaching blocks<br>+ Improved block deconstruction as the year went on <a href="https://t.co/XyoCtjIVza">pic.twitter.com/XyoCtjIVza</a></p>&mdash; Matt Lane (@ChiefinCarolina) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefinCarolina/status/1246101915802447872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PLEASE?<br><br>For a &quot;raw coverage LB&quot; he certainly seems to make some of the quicker, correct reads in this LB class. Tailor made for mirroring the ball carrier on the other side of the LoS and does a good job getting out in front of climbing blockers to bend around them. <a href="https://t.co/AQhv3qSX2E">pic.twitter.com/AQhv3qSX2E</a></p>&mdash; Matt Lane (@ChiefinCarolina) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefinCarolina/status/1246167861581819908?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I could throw Kenneth Murray into this debate but the odds of him being there in my view are very low.

[The Franchise]

I’d be fine with Gay, Murray or Queen at 32.

[Mecca]

I’d be fine with Gay, Murray or Queen at 32.

Weird talk time......there is some stuff out there that all 3 or 2 of the 3 really prime time safeties are still going to be there, would you take 1?

[ForeverIowan]

Weird talk time......there is some stuff out there that all 3 or 2 of the 3 really prime time safeties are still going to be there, would you take 1?

Mathieu can float all over the place. Absolutely safety is in play.

[The Franchise]

Weird talk time......there is some stuff out there that all 3 or 2 of the 3 really prime time safeties are still going to be there, would you take 1?

I’m not against it. Sorensen is at the end of his deal, Badger moves around a lot and Thornhill is coming back from an injury. I’d assume that Spags would know how to use that third safety the best.

[Mecca]

Mathieu can float all over the place. Absolutely safety is in play.

Well Delpit, McKinney and Winfield may all be there and they all have some serious athletic traits and versatility....the Chiefs met with Winfield so....

[RunKC]

I don’t think Murray or Queen will be there unfortunately. I like Gay, but would want to do a trade down first like we did with Chris Jones.

Honestly I could really see Veach pulling the trigger on another weapon. If Aiyuk is still there, I can’t see Veach passing on him. Also think Raegor is another guy to keep an eye on. Both of these guys are way better than his combine showed.

[Mecca]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Antoine Winfield Jr S #11<br><br>Some durability concerns exist but the versatility and playmaking ability is off the charts.<br><br>- + eyes/ball tracking in CF<br>- Tops vertical routes<br>- + Route ID<br>- Man coverage ability<br>- Will fly downhill and get physical<br>- Good athlete with + range <a href="https://t.co/9qzAFIXJxe">pic.twitter.com/9qzAFIXJxe</a></p>&mdash; Matt Lane (@ChiefinCarolina) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefinCarolina/status/1245024476103938055?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mecca]

I don’t think Murray or Queen will be there unfortunately. I like Gay, but would want to do a trade down first like we did with Chris Jones.

Honestly I could really see Veach pulling the trigger on another weapon. If Aiyuk is still there, I can’t see Veach passing on him. Also think Raegor is another guy to keep an eye on. Both of these guys are way better than his combine showed.

There is a pretty serious rumor floating on social media that the Bengals will take Gay at 33 if he's there.

[BWillie]

Patrick Queen > others. But he won't be available. He would be a perfect pick for us though.

Oooor we could figure out how to get Simmons. But I'm just biased because he's from beautiful sunny Olathe.

[Dunerdr]

Honestly at this point the only pick i wouldnt be happy about is a qb at 32. This team has as many wants as any other but probably less NEEDS than anyone. It's a beautiful position to be in at draftmas.

[Mecca]

A few things that don't get brought up often, what about Josh Jones?

[ForeverIowan]

If they select Gay I trust they've done their homework but the last that thing we need in this locker room is another Marcus Peters. No character concerns please. The talent of course is there.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Patrick Queen > others. But he won't be available. He would be a perfect pick for us though.

Oooor we could figure out how to get Simmons. But I'm just biased because he's from beautiful sunny Olathe.

Queen is projected to the Ravens at #28. There is a slim chance he could still be there

[Mecca]

If they select Gay I trust they've done their homework but the last that thing we need in this locker room is another Marcus Peters. No character concerns please. The talent of course is there.

Supposedly he interviewed really well and teams don't view his character as a big deal, the academic stuff I don't care about...he however did jack the teams QB in the face and break his jaw before their bowl game. Would like to hear how that went exactly cause with what we know it's hard to know how it played out.

[The Franchise]

Queen is projected to the Ravens at #28. There is a slim chance he could still be there

I wish people would realize that projections don’t mean shit at the lower half of the first round.

[Mecca]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kenneth Murray tells his story to the Dallas Cowboys in a video interview.<br><br>&quot;Kenneth ... that&#39;s strong. Thank you.&quot; — Jerry Jones<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OUDNA?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OUDNA</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFLDraft?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFLDraft</a> <a href="https://t.co/dOowW4opCh">pic.twitter.com/dOowW4opCh</a></p>&mdash; Sooner Gridiron (@soonergridiron) <a href="https://twitter.com/soonergridiron/status/1247944824650706944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

And with that Kenneth Murray will not be making it to our pick. When a guys story is his parents adopting 3 special needs children and it changing his life, he has the production, the talent and he's high character, yep not happening.

[DaneMcCloud]

#1 Option: Trade back into the second round, somewhere between 33-40.

#2 Option: LB, RB, WR, CB = Best Player Available

[Mecca]

Also a good argument on Queens side is he's only 20 years old, super young prospect.

[RunKC]

A few things that don't get brought up often, what about Josh Jones?

We’ve been talking to him

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Houston?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Houston</a> OT Josh Jones was able to make private visits w/ the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Titans?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Titans</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bears?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bears</a> prior to COVID-19.<br><br>Here&#39;s a list of teams he&#39;s met w/ via FaceTime: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jets?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Jets</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ravens?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ravens</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Packers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Packers</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Vikings?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Vikings</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Buccaneers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Buccaneers</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Colts?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Colts</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cardinals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cardinals</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chargers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chargers</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bears?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bears</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Patriots?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Patriots</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Eagles?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Eagles</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Broncos?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Broncos</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a>.</p>&mdash; Justin M (@JustinM_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/JustinM_NFL/status/1247983600206778369?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I think this is a dark horse selection. This is a very good year to get an OT. There aren’t usually this many quality tackles coming out and this guy is an athletic big player with long arms that seems to be quality talent. Guys like him are usually top 15 picks

[Mecca]

We’ve been talking to him

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Houston?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Houston</a> OT Josh Jones was able to make private visits w/ the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Titans?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Titans</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bears?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bears</a> prior to COVID-19.<br><br>Here&#39;s a list of teams he&#39;s met w/ via FaceTime: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jets?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Jets</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ravens?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ravens</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Packers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Packers</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Vikings?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Vikings</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Buccaneers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Buccaneers</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Colts?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Colts</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cardinals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cardinals</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chargers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chargers</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bears?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bears</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Patriots?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Patriots</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Eagles?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Eagles</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Broncos?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Broncos</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a>.</p>&mdash; Justin M (@JustinM_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/JustinM_NFL/status/1247983600206778369?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I think this is a dark horse selection. This is a very good year to get an OT. There aren’t usually this many quality tackles coming out and this guy is an athletic big player with long arms that seems to be quality talent. Guys like him are usually top 15 picks

You could slip him into guard for 2 years so fill a starting spot while prepping for the future.

[Chief Northman]

We’ve been talking to him

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Houston?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Houston</a> OT Josh Jones was able to make private visits w/ the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Titans?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Titans</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bears?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bears</a> prior to COVID-19.<br><br>Here&#39;s a list of teams he&#39;s met w/ via FaceTime: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jets?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Jets</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ravens?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ravens</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Packers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Packers</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Vikings?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Vikings</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Buccaneers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Buccaneers</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Colts?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Colts</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cardinals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cardinals</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chargers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chargers</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bears?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bears</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Patriots?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Patriots</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Eagles?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Eagles</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Broncos?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Broncos</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a>.</p>&mdash; Justin M (@JustinM_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/JustinM_NFL/status/1247983600206778369?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I think this is a dark horse selection. This is a very good year to get an OT. There aren’t usually this many quality tackles coming out and this guy is an athletic big player with long arms that seems to be quality talent. Guys like him are usually top 15 picks

I would applaud this. Jones is a top 20 physical talent. Fisher is going to cost $ and he and Schwartz are getting long in the tooth.
Jones would flourish in Heck’s scheme - the man can move and is tremendous athlete given his measurables. Even if they kick him inside his first year or two, he would destroy souls...

[Mecca]

So I'll talk CB a bit here.....my personal favorite 1st round CB that could make it to 32 is Kristian Fulton. Reminds me a lot of Tredavious White and not because they went to the same school. High floor, not super flashy but plays smart and always gets the job done.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Interested to see where CB Prospect, Kristian Fulton lands in this Draft. Number 1 recruit in Louisiana his senior year of HS. Worked through some adversity while at LSU, came into his own as a Senior.<br><br>- Calculated Hands<br>- Prototypical Man Corner<br>- Highly Confident <a href="https://t.co/5oaoxztREc">pic.twitter.com/5oaoxztREc</a></p>&mdash; JET UP (@NYJFilms) <a href="https://twitter.com/NYJFilms/status/1247713614263451649?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2020 CB Draft Prospect:<br>Jeff Gladney, TCU<br><br>Height: 5’10”<br>Weight: 191<br>40 Time: 4.48<br><br>- Patient Feet (Active and Sudden)<br>- Good Ball Skills <br>- Competitive Toughness (Scrappy Attitude and Swagger) <a href="https://t.co/xKHUFGVQaa">pic.twitter.com/xKHUFGVQaa</a></p>&mdash; JET UP (@NYJFilms) <a href="https://twitter.com/NYJFilms/status/1248315641121177606?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Jeff Gladney is my other one, lots of scheme versatility here and is very competitive, real nice fit for the Chiefs.

Now for a mid round guy, I'm a huge fan of Amik Robertson, 5'8 outside CB that ran in the 4.4s dude has serious swagger and plays like it. No fear, plays much bigger than he is. Just so much edge to his game and you can see how much he wants it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today I’ve been watching a bunch of tape. I came across Junior All-American cornerback Amik Robertson of LA Tech. This kid is a baller!! <a href="https://twitter.com/_YoungTruth7?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@_YoungTruth7</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DB101?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DB101</a> <a href="https://t.co/hH0E6DctNJ">pic.twitter.com/hH0E6DctNJ</a></p>&mdash; Oliver Davis II (@I_Am_OD3) <a href="https://twitter.com/I_Am_OD3/status/1201946320992448512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sleeper CB 2020 Draft:<br>Amik Robertson, LT<br><br>- Feisty competitor<br>- Ball Hawk<br>- High Football IQ <a href="https://t.co/dhAbBQ5lx9">pic.twitter.com/dhAbBQ5lx9</a></p>&mdash; JET UP (@NYJFilms) <a href="https://twitter.com/NYJFilms/status/1246525689706283009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;m not sure if there&#39;s a more fearless corner in this class than Amik Robertson<br><br>First clip he&#39;s right up in the face of Quez Watkins, who ran a 4.35 at the combine<br><br>Second one he just reads QB the entire time and steals the ball - master of that in CFB (16 PBUs/5 INTs in &#39;19) <a href="https://t.co/sUPobLIT0t">pic.twitter.com/sUPobLIT0t</a></p>&mdash; Connor Rogers (@ConnorJRogers) <a href="https://twitter.com/ConnorJRogers/status/1245416850483220481?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Love the absolute no fear he shows of that 4.35 receiver in that clip.

[Dante84]

We've been having the same convo in the Draft Forum, with some good thoughts on this subject. Feel free to read through and add as needed, either here or there.
Link: https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=330414

Additionally, we are still doing the "Visits/interests" thread this year, too, so you can see who all we've shown interest in or talked to.
Link: https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=329194

[BryanBusby]

Looking at the corners I think Diggs matches what they're looking for. BPA is probably the route they go and I wouldn't rule out a WR in the first or a trade up.

[Mecca]

We've been having the same convo in the Draft Forum, with some good thoughts on this subject. Feel free to read through and add as needed, either here or there.
Link: https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=330414

Additionally, we are still doing the "Visits/interests" thread this year, too, so you can see who all we've shown interest in or talked to.
Link: https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=329194

Things tend to get lost over there, I see lots of RB speculation....

I'll throw this out, I would be stunned if Swift makes it to our pick, could easily see the Dolphins using that last 1 on him as they have 0 at the position.

I don't like Wisconsin RBs so Taylor is out for me, they all seem to come out of college overworked and abused. However as a later round pick I like Quintez Cephus.

[Mecca]

Looking at the corners I think Diggs matches what they're looking for. BPA is probably the route they go and I wouldn't rule out a WR in the first or a trade up.

If I was looking for someone I thought would be stupid productive here I'd take Shenault but I dunno if that's the smart thing to do.

[Easy 6]

I would applaud this. Jones is a top 20 physical talent. Fisher is going to cost $ and he and Schwartz are getting long in the tooth.
Jones would flourish in Heck’s scheme - the man can move and is tremendous athlete given his measurables. Even if they kick him inside his first year or two, he would destroy souls...

After reading his report, I’d definitely approve of Jones

But as for putting him inside, the one big question about him is how well he handles “grown man strength”... he’d get all of that he can handle inside

[Mecca]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There’s a chance 8 or 9 offensive linemen could be selected in the 1st Round of the 2020 NFL Draft, which would make it 25%-33% blockers.<br><br>* Tristan Wirfs<br>* Mekhi Becton<br>* Andrew Thomas<br>* Jedrick Wills<br>* Josh Jones<br>* Austin Jackson<br>* Ezra Cleveland<br>* Isaiah Wilson<br>* Cesar Ruiz</p>&mdash; Scott Wright (@DraftCountdown) <a href="https://twitter.com/DraftCountdown/status/1247682014058295296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If all of those guys go in the 1st that would push some talented dudes down to us.

[neech]

#1 Option: Trade back into the second round, somewhere between 33-40.

#2 Option: LB, RB, WR, CB = Best Player Available


This except LB or CB = Best player available.

[Mecca]

Ok WTF...

Cam Dantzler who I like, had the god awful 40 time at the combine where he came in at like 4.6........his pro day time is 4.38 that's like not even fucking close. That takes him from a 5th round pick to a high 2nd round pick so which damn time is it?

[Mecca]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dobbins or McFarland <a href="https://t.co/C8aCzvIMYH">https://t.co/C8aCzvIMYH</a></p>&mdash; Shane P. Hallam (@ShanePHallam) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShanePHallam/status/1248068434627264512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That from a dude whos opinion I generally trust on the draft.

[Dante84]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dobbins or McFarland <a href="https://t.co/C8aCzvIMYH">https://t.co/C8aCzvIMYH</a></p>&mdash; Shane P. Hallam (@ShanePHallam) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShanePHallam/status/1248068434627264512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That from a dude whos opinion I generally trust on the draft.

Those are my 2 favorite RB picks for us.

[Mecca]

So Brett Veach is gonna get a chance to show us something this year, even more than in the past...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is exactly why we will see mostly combine guys drafted. Teams are going to be too worried to take risks for players they didn’t talk to much or get to go to a Pro Day. Undrafted free agency will be VERY important and we will see more UDFA gems than even in past years IMO <a href="https://t.co/BFtY9kamHj">https://t.co/BFtY9kamHj</a></p>&mdash; Shane P. Hallam (@ShanePHallam) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShanePHallam/status/1247579298946519043?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hopefully we can scoop up some of those UDFA's since I'd rate us at the top of smart front offices.

[DaneMcCloud]

This except LB or CB = Best player available.

The Chiefs have a massive gaping hole at running back while returning 2 of 3 CB starters, while Fenton contributed quite a bit late in the regular season and postseason and should be penciled in as 2020 starter.

If Queen is there at #32, which I do not expect, I'd be fine with taking him there.

Otherwise, there is just too much talent to pass up on by sitting on #32.

The Chiefs really need additional picks, especially since they don't have a 6th or 7th.

[Mecca]

The Chiefs have a massive gaping hole at running back while returning 2 of 3 CB starters, while Fenton contributed quite a bit late in the regular season and postseason and should be penciled in as 2020 starter.

If Queen is there at #32, which I do not expect, I'd be fine with taking him there.

Otherwise, there is just too much talent to pass up on by sitting on #32.

The Chiefs really need additional picks, especially since they don't have a 6th or 7th.

The problem here is you actually have to have a trade partner willing to give up something of value and if LB is your target you run the risk of missing completely.

[DaneMcCloud]

The problem here is you actually have to have a trade partner willing to give up something of value and if LB is your target you run the risk of missing completely.

Well, I don't think they should "target" any position and just allow the draft to come to them.

And there will most certainly be a team or several willing to move up to #32, especially if one of the QB's is sitting there.

[Mecca]

Well, I don't think they should "target" any position and just allow the draft to come to them.

And there will most certainly be a team or several willing to move up to #32, especially if one of the QB's is sitting there.

Which QB do you think is going to be sitting there?

Also LB is the biggest hole on the team and it was last year, there is a reason teams that played us threw a shit ton of RB and TE flat passes.

[BigChiefFan]

LB Murray, Baun
HB Dobbins, Taylor
WR Higgins, Aiyuk, Shenault, Mims
CB Terrell, Gladney, Jaylon Jones
OT Jones
S Winfield

These are the players that I see going around, where we pick. There still should be some quality players at 32.

[Mecca]

LB Murray, Baun
HB Dobbins, Taylor
WR Higgins, Aiyuk, Shenault, Mims
CB Terrell, Gladney, Jaylon Jones
OT Jones
S Winfield

These are the players that I see going around, where we pick. There still should be some quality players at 32.

I think Baun and Aiyuk are bad fits personally, Aiyuk has a lot of N'Keal Harry in him where they moved him around to get him the ball and anytime he faced guys who hit him at the line he struggled like mad.

Baun I just don't like in this defense, I think he would be fine in like NE or Miami but for us I'd pass.

[BigChiefFan]

I think Baun and Aiyuk are bad fits personally, Aiyuk has a lot of N'Keal Harry in him where they moved him around to get him the ball and anytime he faced guys who hit him at the line he struggled like mad.

Baun I just don't like in this defense, I think he would be fine in like NE or Miami but for us I'd pass.

I tend to agree, regarding Baun, I just listed him because he’s projected to be a low first round, middle 2 rounder, in my book. My target would be Murray if the players I listed we’re available. I like Murray, Dobbins, OT Jones, CB Jaylon Jones, and WR Mims the best out of those players.

[Titty Meat]

Ruiz or Queen

[RunKC]

Ezra Cleveland is one of the most athletic OL to come out since Lane Johnson.

I find it very hard to believe that he is not at the top of our board simply due to Andy’s affinity for athletic lineman.

I could absolutely see this guy taken as Fisher’s replacement

[Mecca]

I tend to agree, regarding Baun, I just listed him because he’s projected to be a low first round, middle 2 rounder, in my book. My target would be Murray if the players I listed we’re available. I like Murray, Dobbins, OT Jones, CB Jaylon Jones, and WR Mims the best out of those players.

Kenneth Murray isn't making it to our pick...

[Pitt Gorilla]

LB Murray, Baun
HB Dobbins, Taylor
WR Higgins, Aiyuk, Shenault, Mims
CB Terrell, Gladney, Jaylon Jones
OT Jones
S Winfield

These are the players that I see going around, where we pick. There still should be some quality players at 32.

No Swift?

[Pitt Gorilla]

Kenneth Murray isn't making it to our pick...

He absolutely could.

[DaneMcCloud]

Which QB do you think is going to be sitting there?

I think it's possible that a team decides to move up to grab Eason or Hurts and while I realize that a love of mockers seem to think Jordan Love goes in the Top 20, I think there's a chance he'll be sitting at #32 as well.

We see these types of moves at the bottom of the first round nearly every year and considering the strange circumstances leading up to the draft, it'll probably happen even more this year because most teams have spent far more time with the Top 100 players than the bottom 250ish.

Also LB is the biggest hole on the team and it was last year, there is a reason teams that played us threw a shit ton of RB and TE flat passes.

I disagree. The biggest hole, by far, was at the running back position. Williams can't stay healthy, Darrel Williams is a JAG at best, Thompson doesn't impress in the slightest and McCoy was a non-factor.

If the Chiefs had a Kareem Hunt-caliber running back, they most likely would have beaten the Texans, Titans and Colts during the regular season.

IMO, they can't pass on a game changing running back in the draft.

[kccrow]

Gay in the 1st? People have lost their fucking minds over the Underwear Olympics. No fucking way.

[UChieffyBugger]

Things tend to get lost over there, I see lots of RB speculation....

I'll throw this out, I would be stunned if Swift makes it to our pick, could easily see the Dolphins using that last 1 on him as they have 0 at the position.

I don't like Wisconsin RBs so Taylor is out for me, they all seem to come out of college overworked and abused. However as a later round pick I like Quintez Cephus.

Miami did sign a RB this offseason already so might not feel inclined to make a move in the first.

[BigChiefFan]

Kenneth Murray isn't making it to our pick...

Most likely not, but I’ve had a few mocks, where he did. That’s the thing about the draft, it’s all individual teams rankings and few are privy to that information.

[BigChiefFan]

No Swift?
I think he’s damn good prospect, but don’t believe he will be there and he’s a little too undersized, in my opinion, to treat him as the cure to our ails. I like Dobbins as a workhorse, who would fit in nicely in our offense.

[Halfcan]

I think he’s damn good prospect, but don’t believe he will be there and he’s a little too undersized, in my opinion, to treat him as the cure to our ails. I like Dobbins as a workhorse, who would fit in nicely in our offense.

I like this kid. Teams would have to respect our running game or he would take games over.

[BryanBusby]

He absolutely could.
All it takes is one bong mask video, but likely not.

Gay in the 1st? People have lost their fucking minds over the Underwear Olympics. No fucking way.
How about gay for pay?

[Pitt Gorilla]

All it takes is one bong mask video, but likely not.


How about gay for pay?

Only 31 players can go ahead of our pick. Real talent is going to fall to 32.

[Mecca]

It's always funny when someone comes in and thinks Willie Gay is like a 4th round prospect, yea he's not, dude is rising.

[BryanBusby]

Only 31 players can go ahead of our pick. Real talent is going to fall to 32.
Oh I agree, but I think Murray is the kind of film that teams will go stupid ovet and he'll be overdrafted.

[kccrow]

It's always funny when someone comes in and thinks Willie Gay is like a 4th round prospect, yea he's not, dude is rising.

It's funny when some fucking retard thinks a guy is a first-round pick because he runs real fast.

The kid was a 5th or 6th round hope and prayer before that because he doesn't have the production and was a fucking moron in college.

[Hoover]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Antoine Winfield Jr S #11<br><br>Some durability concerns exist but the versatility and playmaking ability is off the charts.<br><br>- + eyes/ball tracking in CF<br>- Tops vertical routes<br>- + Route ID<br>- Man coverage ability<br>- Will fly downhill and get physical<br>- Good athlete with + range <a href="https://t.co/9qzAFIXJxe">pic.twitter.com/9qzAFIXJxe</a></p>&mdash; Matt Lane (@ChiefinCarolina) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefinCarolina/status/1245024476103938055?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I have. hard time drafting a 5'9" dude, but I do like this kid, and oddly, I think safety might be a good spot considering who might be available and how Spags uses DBs.

[493rd]

Cesar Ruiz or DeAndre Swift. But, I think we trade back and still take Swift in the 2nd, or, the highest rated OL.

[OKchiefs]

Ezra Cleveland is one of the most athletic OL to come out since Lane Johnson.

I find it very hard to believe that he is not at the top of our board simply due to Andy’s affinity for athletic lineman.

I could absolutely see this guy taken as Fisher’s replacement

Can he play guard for a year or two? Because I think it's a year too early to take someone who's nothing more than a backup for now. If he can slide inside then that's not a bad pick, along with any other OT prospect we may consider early.

[OKchiefs]

Knowing that we can expect compensatory picks next year, would we trade 2021 pick(s) to get back into the 3rd/4th with an additional pick this year? Do that in addition to a trade down and having two 2nd's and another 4 picks between the 3rd-4th would be nice.

[BigChiefFan]

I like this kid. Teams would have to respect our running game or he would take games over.

https://youtu.be/wI4GaTXMldE

[ForeverIowan]

Cesar Ruiz or DeAndre Swift. But, I think we trade back and still take Swift in the 2nd, or, the highest rated OL.

Does anyone have some impressive tape of Ruiz that would make me feel better about potentially drafting this dude in the first round? From everything I've seen Im just not impressed. Cant locate any footage of him flat out blowing people off the ball or even a mean steak finishing blocks. I want to protect the franchise but unless a Quenton Nelson is on the board I can't justify interior offensive line in the first round. Would rather grab a playmaker or build the defense.

[staylor26]

Does anyone have some impressive tape of Ruiz that would make me feel better about potentially drafting this dude in the first round? From everything I've seen Im just not impressed. Cant locate any footage of him flat out blowing people off the ball or even a mean steak finishing blocks. I want to protect the franchise but unless a Quenton Nelson is on the board I can't justify interior offensive line in the first round. Would rather grab a playmaker or build the defense.


I mean his tape is really fucking good for a guy that’s only 20 years old, so if you’ve watched and you aren’t impressed, I don’t know what to tell you :shrug:

[KCrockaholic]

Willie Gay is not a good football player. Cool athlete, but that's it.

[KCrockaholic]

It's funny when some ****ing retard thinks a guy is a first-round pick because he runs real fast.

The kid was a 5th or 6th round hope and prayer before that because he doesn't have the production and was a ****ing moron in college.

Correct.

[RunKC]

Last year the Rams traded down With the Falcons from 31 to 45 and got a 3rd rd pick (79).

Then they traded 45 to NE for pick 56 and got another 3rd rd pick (101).

That’s the hope for me. Trade down multiple times and go from 3 top 100 picks to 5.

[UChieffyBugger]

https://youtu.be/wI4GaTXMldE

The team had a formal meeting with Dobbins at the combine and just had a face-time interview with him in the past week. It seems they really like the kid and I think he might be there for us in the 2nd round.

[Megatron96]

I have. hard time drafting a 5'9" dude, but I do like this kid, and oddly, I think safety might be a good spot considering who might be available and how Spags uses DBs.

This guy's going to get a close look from the Chiefs partly because he played well in college, and partly because his father played DB in the NFL for 14 years, so he's got that "been there, done that," attitude that Patrick brought to the NFL. He's not going to be overwhelmed by the bright lights at the next level, and he probably has had his father teaching him the position from an early age. He's going to come into the league with a lot more knowledge of the pro game than most draftees.

[Couch-Potato]

From a similar thread:

"I don't recall a draft in which there were so many players the Chiefs could potentially pick in the first round. Typically we're able to narrow things down to a handful of players but this year it feels like there are ~20+ potential picks. Maybe we should trade back?

In no particular order:

Swift RB
Dobbins RB
Higgins WR
Pittman WR
Raegar WR
Ruiz OC/G
Madabuike DT
Blacklock DT
Murray ILB
Queen ILB
Diggs CB
Johnson CB
Igbinooghene CB
Terrell CB
Gladney CB
Fulton CB
McKinney S
Delpit S
Chinn S
Epenesa DE
Baun DE
Davidson DE

Edited: To include those you felt should be on the list


Questions:

1. Anyone I'm missing?

2. Which of these guys is your pick at #32?"

[TambaBerry]

Literally any pick outside of qb is fine with me.

[TambaBerry]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Firmly believe that Willie Gay, Jr. will be the steal of the 2020 NFL Draft. <br><br>✅ 4.46 40-yard dash <br>✅ 39.5 inch vertical <br>✅ 11’4” broad jump<br><br>These are back-to-back plays against Alabama in 2018: <a href="https://t.co/6tD1397vXo">pic.twitter.com/6tD1397vXo</a></p>&mdash; Cole Patterson (@colelpatterson) <a href="https://twitter.com/colelpatterson/status/1247296301580062720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Watch him close...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wish he&#39;d trust his eyes more because when Willie Gay Jr. clicks into a running play his closing speed is insane. Absolute missile to the ball. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Patriots?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Patriots</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFLDraft?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFLDraft</a> <a href="https://t.co/70P4Y1Er3s">pic.twitter.com/70P4Y1Er3s</a></p>&mdash; Evan Lazar (@ezlazar) <a href="https://twitter.com/ezlazar/status/1247263246379253764?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I took him with the 104th pick in our mock

[Mecca]

Willie Gay is not a good football player. Cool athlete, but that's it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Willie Gay Jr: 93.9 PFF coverage grade since 2017<br><br>1st among NFL Draft LBs <a href="https://t.co/oBYJVRgQid">pic.twitter.com/oBYJVRgQid</a></p>&mdash; PFF Draft (@PFF_College) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1245750338319073280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yea that says he can't play...

[Mecca]

I took him with the 104th pick in our mock

Yea he's going way higher than that.

[staylor26]

Willie Gay is not a good football player. Cool athlete, but that's it.

This is a really lazy take.

[KCrockaholic]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Willie Gay Jr: 93.9 PFF coverage grade since 2017<br><br>1st among NFL Draft LBs <a href="https://t.co/oBYJVRgQid">pic.twitter.com/oBYJVRgQid</a></p>&mdash; PFF Draft (@PFF_College) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1245750338319073280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yea that says he can't play...

Cool, play him at safety then. Until he can not be reckless in pursuit angles and unable to instinctively react to an offense then I don't want him anywhere near the line.

[KCrockaholic]

This is a really lazy take.

Ok, here's my take then.

He takes truly terrible pursuit angles and tends to just go in a direction rather than reading the play unfolding and reacting. When his angle is correct he can be a fierce and fearless hitter. Doesn't have natural instincts and can be caught out of position too easily. Has average speed sideline to sideline despite his awesome 40 of 4.46. He's not strong at the POA, gets pushed around easily. Drawn out of position easily on play fakes. Closing speed is great and can be very disruptive when shooting a gap blitzing. His problem is there's too much guessing going on and not enough football IQ to understand where to be after the snap. I'd rather have Akeem Davis Gaither, who actually understands assignments and can make consistent plays.

Great athlete. Not a great football player.

[cmh6476]

•1st round - No. 32 overall
CB
•2nd round - No. 63 (from San Francisco)
LB
•3rd round - No. 96
OL
•4th round - No. 138
DL
•5th round - No. 177
RB

[O.city]

So much of the ILB spot is about instincts. I dunno that you can really teach that.

[MahomesMagic]

Ok, here's my take then.

He takes truly terrible pursuit angles and tends to just go in a direction rather than reading the play unfolding and reacting. When his angle is correct he can be a fierce and fearless hitter. Doesn't have natural instincts and can be caught out of position too easily. Has average speed sideline to sideline despite his awesome 40 of 4.46. He's not strong at the POA, gets pushed around easily. Drawn out of position easily on play fakes. Closing speed is great and can be very disruptive when shooting a gap blitzing. His problem is there's too much guessing going on and not enough football IQ to understand where to be after the snap. I'd rather have Akeem Davis Gaither, who actually understands assignments and can make consistent plays.

Great athlete. Not a great football player.


I watched Gay against Louisville. Yeah, he looks like a special teams guy at the NFL level because he can't play linebacker. There was one snap where he looked really good and shot through and took someone down. But the rest of the plays made me think that was an accident as he was constantly taking bad angles.

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[Mecca]

At the same time...

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That's as impressive as a game film as you'll see from any LB, his angles need work no question but if you have faith in your coaching staff that shouldn't be an issue.

[staylor26]

At the same time...

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That's as impressive as a game film as you'll see from any LB, his angles need work no question but if you have faith in your coaching staff that shouldn't be an issue.

Exactly. You and I both know that I’m not quite as high on Gay as you are, but it’s obvious that a lot of people haven’t watched this Alabama game because the guy has absolutely flashed against the best of the best.

[O.city]

I dunno. Angles and instincts at LB are similar to accuracy issues for a QB. I don't know how much of that can really be "taught".

I'm assuming he woudln't be the pick at 32 and more likely a 2nd rounder? Or are we talking about him at 32?

[Mecca]

Exactly. You and I both know that I’m not quite as high on Gay as you are, but it’s obvious that a lot of people haven’t watched this Alabama game because the guy has absolutely flashed against the best of the best.

The thing that is throwing me off, is if he had all the shit people are throwing out as why we can't pick him, more playing time, no suspension, better angles, then guess what, he's being picked around #12 not 32, those issues are why we have a shot at this dude.

[Mecca]

I dunno. Angles and instincts at LB are similar to accuracy issues for a QB. I don't know how much of that can really be "taught".

I'm assuming he woudln't be the pick at 32 and more likely a 2nd rounder? Or are we talking about him at 32?

Last I saw dudes with legit connections think at worst he goes by 40.

[MahomesMagic]

I dunno. Angles and instincts at LB are similar to accuracy issues for a QB. I don't know how much of that can really be "taught".

I'm assuming he woudln't be the pick at 32 and more likely a 2nd rounder? Or are we talking about him at 32?

Agreed. Instincts are a trait. Why in the world would you spend a high pick on a linebacker that has poor instincts?

What we need is an eraser...a guy that can diagnose the run and pass and has range..covering up mistakes and erasing them. That's what we need.

Look at Devin Bush last year. That's what a linebacker looks like.

[staylor26]

I dunno. Angles and instincts at LB are similar to accuracy issues for a QB. I don't know how much of that can really be "taught".

I'm assuming he woudln't be the pick at 32 and more likely a 2nd rounder? Or are we talking about him at 32?

But that also comes with experience that he simply doesn’t have. It would be one thing if he started for 3 years and those things were an issue, but this is a unique case. He’s shown the ability. He just needs to be more consistent and that will come with experience and NFL coaching.

I personally think a LB coach like House could turn this guy into a stud and get him close to his ceiling.

[O.city]

But that also comes with experience that he simply doesn’t have. It would be one thing if he started for 3 years and those things were an issue, but this is a unique case. He’s shown the ability. He just needs to be more consistent and that will come with experience and NFL coaching.

I personally think a LB coach like House could turn this guy into a stud and get him close to his ceiling.

Possible. Frankly, we're all gonna have to come to the acceptance that this is the type of player you're gonna be drafting when you're picking as late as the Chiefs will be.

You aren't getting a blue chip dude in the late first. Just the way it is.

[KCrockaholic]

At the same time...

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That's as impressive as a game film as you'll see from any LB, his angles need work no question but if you have faith in your coaching staff that shouldn't be an issue.

I've watched this one before, but I really don't know what you're seeing. The negatives far outweigh any of the few positives. Even in this one. I want consistency, not every once in while he'll guess right.

[staylor26]

Possible. Frankly, we're all gonna have to come to the acceptance that this is the type of player you're gonna be drafting when you're picking as late as the Chiefs will be.

You aren't getting a blue chip dude in the late first. Just the way it is.

Exactly why I’m willing to slightly reach for a guy with ridiculous measurables. I feel the same way about Chinn, though he has better tape and isn’t as much of a reach (or as risky). If you want a top 15 talent at 32, it’s going to come with some risk. If you’re scared, draft a fatty.

[Mecca]

I've watched this one before, but I really don't know what you're seeing. The negatives far outweigh any of the few positives. Even in this one. I want consistency, not every once in while he'll guess right.

If he had what you're asking for he's a top 15 pick without question, do you think at 32 any pick we make isn't going to have some question marks?

[Mecca]

Like here's a good example, I like Patrick Queen also, go watch his game stuff. You see all the speed and fluidity and the way he drops into coverage is special for a guy his size..yet he is very blah in run fits, does not like dealing with blockers and basically goes around them all the time...

Is he a 5th round prospect that should play safety also?

[KCrockaholic]

If he had what you're asking for he's a top 15 pick without question, do you think at 32 any pick we make isn't going to have some question marks?

I just don't care for the workout warrior stuff with certain guys, and he's so far off from being a natural football player that I don't think he's ever going to be anything special outside of a few plays occasionally. His weakness outweigh his positives. That's my issue with him.

Like here's a good example, I like Patrick Queen also, go watch his game stuff. You see all the speed and fluidity and the way he drops into coverage is special for a guy his size..yet he is very blah in run fits, does not like dealing with blockers and basically goes around them all the time...

Is he a 5th round prospect that should play safety also?

No because Queen is actually a good football player, plus a good athlete.

[MahomesMagic]

I like David Long better at LB and he went in the 6th round last year.

[MahiMike]

I say it every year. Package picks to move up for the no brainer, 5 yr pro bowler.

[Mecca]

I just don't care for the workout warrior stuff with certain guys, and he's so far off from being a natural football player that I don't think he's ever going to be anything special outside of a few plays occasionally. His weakness outweigh his positives. That's my issue with him.



No because Queen is actually a good football player, plus a good athlete.

I guarantee you I could find numerous people that would tell you Patrick Queen is a soft player and they would hate him for it, it's all about preference.

And frankly having big slow LBs is a defensive death sentence in today's game it's why speed numbers matter.

[KCrockaholic]

I say it every year. Package picks to move up for the no brainer, 5 yr pro bowler.

Hey this worked in 2017. But honestly I'm fine with not moving up obviously. Picking at 32 or later is fine for this team.

[KCrockaholic]

I guarantee you I could find numerous people that would tell you Patrick Queen is a soft player and they would hate him for it, it's all about preference.

And frankly having big slow LBs is a defensive death sentence in today's game it's why speed numbers matter.

Some people also said Derrick Johnson was soft because he avoided contact and was more of a finesse style. And your 2nd sentence isn't relevant to this topic considering Queen is neither big or slow. My preference is a guy who understands his assignment and can read an offense.

[ModSocks]

Things tend to get lost over there, I see lots of RB speculation....

I'll throw this out, I would be stunned if Swift makes it to our pick, could easily see the Dolphins using that last 1 on him as they have 0 at the position.

I don't like Wisconsin RBs so Taylor is out for me, they all seem to come out of college overworked and abused. However as a later round pick I like Quintez Cephus.

Swift is a 2nd round talent, maybe later even. So i wouldnt be surprised.

[OKchiefs]

I say it every year. Package picks to move up for the no brainer, 5 yr pro bowler.

Brilliant idea when we still have numerous depth issues, only 5 picks, and no cap room.

[Mecca]

Swift is a 2nd round talent, maybe later even. So i wouldnt be surprised.

See I don't think Swift is a 2nd round talent, I think his pure ability is quite a bit higher than the other RBs.

[RunKC]

I actually like Zack Baun as our 3rd option at LB. He’s got the same speed as Gay in the 20 yard drill and he’s stronger.

That guy can size up on TE’s and he’s a damn good pass rusher who can bend off the edge and also cover well.

He just seems like a jack of all trades kinda guy and Spags loves those players

[KChiefs1]

1. Murray
2. Queen
3. Swift

[OKchiefs]

I was against a RB previously but after getting Breeland I think we can wait until 2-3 for a corner. The right 3-down RB splitting time with D. Will could be a game changer on offense.

[Mecca]

I actually like Zack Baun as our 3rd option at LB. He’s got the same speed as Gay in the 20 yard drill and he’s stronger.

That guy can size up on TE’s and he’s a damn good pass rusher who can bend off the edge and also cover well.

He just seems like a jack of all trades kinda guy and Spags loves those players

See I'm not a Baun guy at all, I think he fits into a NE/Miami hybrid fit defense not what we do.

[Mecca]

Swift is a 2nd round talent, maybe later even. So i wouldnt be surprised.

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His feet mixed with his ability to pull away and his stocky stacked up frame make him a pretty high level talent in my view.

[staylor26]

Yea seems like quite a few people on CP (that aren’t morons) are down on Swift. I don’t get it. He’s easily a top 20 prospect in this draft when you ignore that he’s a RB.

[KCrockaholic]

If we're in the market for a Center, I'm a believer in Cesar Ruiz for sure. He's polished and pro ready.
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[KCrockaholic]

Yea seems like quite a few people on CP (that aren’t morons) are down on Swift. I don’t get it. He’s easily a top 20 prospect in this draft when you ignore that he’s a RB.

I'm a fan of Swift. I think he's a day 1 rotational starter for somebody.

[Mecca]

If we're in the market for a Center, I'm a believer in Cesar Ruiz for sure. He's polished and pro ready.
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I'm coming around to this view that he isn't going to be there. More and more recent mocks are having more and more OL going high. With recent news of many GM's having fear they are going to blow this draft because of how everything is going....

I expect a ton of really safe picks as guys try to not get fired, so as of right now I'm expecting upwards of 10-12 OL in the first round.

[KCrockaholic]

I'm coming around to this view that he isn't going to be there. More and more recent mocks are having more and more OL going high. With recent news of many GM's having fear they are going to blow this draft because of how everything is going....

I expect a ton of really safe picks as guys try to not get fired, so as of right now I'm expecting upwards of 10-12 OL in the first round.

He reminds me a bit of Hudson. But I see what you're saying. He's an easy choice for someone in need of a safe C.

[Mecca]

He reminds me a bit of Hudson. But I see what you're saying. He's an easy choice for someone in need of a safe C.

The fact that guys like Isiah Wilson, Ezra Cleveland and Matt Peart are getting play as possible 1st rounders is all I need to know about what's going on.

[stumppy]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DeAndre Swift is special! <a href="https://twitter.com/BassinDawg?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BassinDawg</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/universityofga?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@universityofga</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/GeorgiaDawgs365?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@GeorgiaDawgs365</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/DawgsAx?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DawgsAx</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/GeorgiaFootball?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@GeorgiaFootball</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/DAndreSwift?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DAndreSwift</a> <br><br> <a href="https://t.co/MqV5TFUcgO">pic.twitter.com/MqV5TFUcgO</a></p>&mdash; FQSEC (@FQ_SEC) <a href="https://twitter.com/FQ_SEC/status/1248110535079596034?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

His feet mixed with his ability to pull away and his stocky stacked up frame make him a pretty high level talent in my view.


I'll be surprised if he does make it to the second round.

It's hard to imagine how good this offense would be with a top notch RB.

[staylor26]

I'm coming around to this view that he isn't going to be there. More and more recent mocks are having more and more OL going high. With recent news of many GM's having fear they are going to blow this draft because of how everything is going....

I expect a ton of really safe picks as guys try to not get fired, so as of right now I'm expecting upwards of 10-12 OL in the first round.

10-12?

No way man. 9 at the absolute most. Ruiz is the only IOL that will go in the 1st. There won’t be 9-11 OT’s going in the 1st.

[Mecca]

10-12?

No way man. 9 at the absolute most. Ruiz is the only IOL that will go in the 1st. There won’t be 9-11 OT’s going in the 1st.

I've seen people out there that have 9 OT's in the first round...

[staylor26]

I've seen people out there that have 9 OT's in the first round...

I just don’t see it. There’s maybe 5 that deserve to go in the 1st. I see 2-3 more sneaking in but that’s it.

[Mecca]

I just don’t see it. There’s maybe 5 that deserve to go in the 1st. I see 2-3 more sneaking in but that’s it.

Where is it gonna cut though?

Isiah Wilson is being put there by reputable people......I could see a team like how athletic Cleveland is the Peart one catches me off guard, yes he's huge but cmon.

[MahomesMagic]

If we're in the market for a Center, I'm a believer in Cesar Ruiz for sure. He's polished and pro ready.
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I like Ruiz in the 1st. I like Cushenberry even more. Think Cush could be a Pro-Bowler.

And just like Burrow improved from last season, his center also did and played a huge role on that LSU offense.

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[The Franchise]

You figure that there are the following numbers going in the first round.

5-6 OT
4 QB
4-5 WR
4-5 CB
2-3 LB
2-3 S
1-2 IOL
6-7 DL

The unknown is the RB position. Could be one. Could be a couple. It’s hard to gauge.

[O.city]

I'd trade down in the 2nd and take the RB from LSU>

[Mecca]

I'd trade down in the 2nd and take the RB from LSU>

Helaire is not better than Swift....

[staylor26]

Where is it gonna cut though?

Isiah Wilson is being put there by reputable people......I could see a team like how athletic Cleveland is the Peart one catches me off guard, yes he's huge but cmon.

Wills
Becton
Wirfs
Thomas
Jones
Wilson
Jackson

I don’t see Cleveland or Peart going in the 1st, but if one does that just means Wilson or Jackson don’t.

I’ve done quite a few mocks and it just seems very unrealistic that that many OT’s will go in the 1st. The demand, while high, isn’t quite at that level. You’re talking about quite a few huge reaches.

[O.city]

Helaire is not better than Swift....

I think he is better suited for our offense.

[Mecca]

I think he is better suited for our offense.

He's a little bit better at picking up blitzes, Swift is much more athletically gifted though.

[RunKC]

Wills
Becton
Wirfs
Thomas
Jones
Wilson
Jackson

I don’t see Cleveland or Peart going in the 1st, but if one does that just means Wilson or Jackson don’t.

I’ve done quite a few mocks and it just seems very unrealistic that that many OT’s will go in the 1st. The demand, while high, isn’t quite at that level. You’re talking about quite a few huge reaches.

Veach is going to have to control Andy Reid in this draft. Ezra Cleveland is exactly what Andy Reid loves. Josh Jones is also another guy that fits Andy’s style with OL. You never see a tackle like that just sitting there at the end of the first.

That’s not even counting the receivers. I mean holy shit man if Aiyuk is still there, which is very possible, Andy might call the teams IT pro, have them disconnect Veach’s zoom connection and just call that pick in.

“We’ve got our Watkins replacement boys” LMAO

[Mecca]

Veach is going to have to control Andy Reid in this draft. Ezra Cleveland is exactly what Andy Reid loves. Josh Jones is also another guy that fits Andy’s style with OL. You never see a tackle like that just sitting there at the end of the first.

That’s not even counting the receivers. I mean holy shit man if Aiyuk is still there, which is very possible, Andy might call the teams IT pro, have them disconnect Veach’s zoom connection and just call that pick in.

“We’ve got our Watkins replacement boys” LMAO

I don't like Aiyuk, he's really raw and unless you design plays for him he's going to struggle.

[ModSocks]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DeAndre Swift is special! <a href="https://twitter.com/BassinDawg?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BassinDawg</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/universityofga?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@universityofga</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/GeorgiaDawgs365?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@GeorgiaDawgs365</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/DawgsAx?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DawgsAx</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/GeorgiaFootball?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@GeorgiaFootball</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/DAndreSwift?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DAndreSwift</a> <br><br> <a href="https://t.co/MqV5TFUcgO">pic.twitter.com/MqV5TFUcgO</a></p>&mdash; FQSEC (@FQ_SEC) <a href="https://twitter.com/FQ_SEC/status/1248110535079596034?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

His feet mixed with his ability to pull away and his stocky stacked up frame make him a pretty high level talent in my view.

Yea seems like quite a few people on CP (that aren’t morons) are down on Swift. I don’t get it. He’s easily a top 20 prospect in this draft when you ignore that he’s a RB.



I try to watch the "x player vs" stuff on youtube and get to see his not-so-good downs.

I see a guy who often goes down with the first defender, doesn't have a lot of power or burst in his game. His ability to "get up and go" from a stop isn't great. I don't see anything elite there, really.

He's a guy that, imo, needs space to operate. He doesn't create much on his own.

Don't get me wrong, i think he'd be a good addition to any team and i'd love to have him. I also think the Chiefs can take any RB and make him a star, so there's that.

I just dont think he's going in the 1st round.

He's going to be another "oh i can't believe he's still on the board" day 2 pick.

He's not a bad player, i just don't think he's feature RB worth spending a 1st on.

[DrRyan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DeAndre Swift is special! <a href="https://twitter.com/BassinDawg?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BassinDawg</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/universityofga?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@universityofga</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/GeorgiaDawgs365?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@GeorgiaDawgs365</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/DawgsAx?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DawgsAx</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/GeorgiaFootball?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@GeorgiaFootball</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/DAndreSwift?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DAndreSwift</a> <br><br> <a href="https://t.co/MqV5TFUcgO">pic.twitter.com/MqV5TFUcgO</a></p>&mdash; FQSEC (@FQ_SEC) <a href="https://twitter.com/FQ_SEC/status/1248110535079596034?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

His feet mixed with his ability to pull away and his stocky stacked up frame make him a pretty high level talent in my view.

I am not a huge fan of going RB in the first. I am coming around to being ok with it if Veach and Reid believe in it though. That long run in the Auburn game was outstanding setting up those blocks down field.

Having signed Breeland I would be much more ok with it than I would have been before that signing. That said, I would still prefer Akers, Moss, CEH, Dobbins, Warren II or McFarland 1-3 rounds later.

[staylor26]

I try to watch the "x player vs" stuff on youtube and get to see his not-so-good downs.

I see a guy who often goes down with the first defender, doesn't have a lot of power or burst in his game. His ability to "get up and go" from a stop isn't great. I don't see anything elite there, really.

He's a guy that, imo, needs space to operate. He doesn't create much on his own.

Don't get me wrong, i think he'd be a good addition to any team and i'd love to have him. I also think the Chiefs can take any RB and make him a star, so there's that.

I just dont think he's going in the 1st round.

He's going to be another "oh i can't believe he's still on the board" day 2 pick.

He's not a bad player, i just don't think he's feature RB worth spending a 1st on.

Pretty sure most of us do that...

He’s definitely not a physical runner by any means, but he does have good contact balance and that’s enough for me. I love his agility and quick-cut ability. The guy sticks his foot in the ground and cuts on a dime. Playing in an offense like ours that can take full advantage of his upside as a receiver and get him in space is what also makes him intriguing. I don’t think he’s an All-Pro caliber player, but he would be a top 5-8 RB in this offense. When you factor in positional value, I still think he’s a borderline top 32 player and would be a solid pick at 32.

[RunKC]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From Matt Miller&#39;s report today 👀👀👀 <a href="https://t.co/Mi5FlBYtGI">pic.twitter.com/Mi5FlBYtGI</a></p>&mdash; Nate Christensen (@natech32) <a href="https://twitter.com/natech32/status/1248632160367661058?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not a fan of a RB that early but hey Veach is the one sitting with jewelry and not me

[MahomesMagic]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From Matt Miller&#39;s report today 👀👀👀 <a href="https://t.co/Mi5FlBYtGI">pic.twitter.com/Mi5FlBYtGI</a></p>&mdash; Nate Christensen (@natech32) <a href="https://twitter.com/natech32/status/1248632160367661058?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not a fan of a RB that early but hey Veach is the one sitting with jewelry and not me

I guess the plan is just keep scoring TD's..see if the other team can keep up. I like it!!

:evil:

[kcclone]

I don't see us taking a RB before the 3rd round. Probably not until the 4th.

[Chris Meck]

You know what's cool?

I don't really care.

I mean, I'm curious. I have some ideas of what I'd like.

But I have no doubt that Veach has a plan, and will make good choices.

There's not a position he could select other than a QB in the first where I'd say, " what the hell are you doing?"

Nice to be here.

[staylor26]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From Matt Miller&#39;s report today 👀👀👀 <a href="https://t.co/Mi5FlBYtGI">pic.twitter.com/Mi5FlBYtGI</a></p>&mdash; Nate Christensen (@natech32) <a href="https://twitter.com/natech32/status/1248632160367661058?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not a fan of a RB that early but hey Veach is the one sitting with jewelry and not me

I like Matt Miller, but I just don’t trust what he gets from his Chiefs sources. I know he legitimately has friends in the front office, but they clearly feed him bullshit.

He swore we were taking a LB when we traded up to 10 that year LMAO

[Chris Meck]

I like Matt Miller, but I just don’t trust what he gets from his Chiefs sources. I know he legitimately has friends in the front office, but they clearly feed him bullshit.

He swore we were taking a LB when we traded up to 10 that year LMAO

agree, but I really think we'd love to trade back into the 2nd and pickup extra picks. In which case that would make sense.

[staylor26]

agree, but I really think we'd love to trade back into the 2nd and pickup extra picks. In which case that would make sense.

Yea that part I buy for sure.

[staylor26]

Matt Miller tweet:

On scheme fit alone, really like Noah Igbinoghene for the #Chiefs. Not saying he'll be the pick at 32, but his ability to play at the LOS, his speed and his raw tools are intriguing there

This isn’t him claiming sources or anything. This is just a good observation that I totally agree with. Igbinoghene is a guy Chiefs fans should get more familiar with. If I were to make a list of 5 guys most likely to be our first pick he’d be on it.

[ILChief]

Hope either Kenneth Murray or Patrick Queen makes it to us. Else go IOL. Those are really our only weaknesses

[DaneMcCloud]

Hope either Kenneth Murray or Patrick Queen makes it to us. Else go IOL. Those are really our only weaknesses

Only weaknesses?

[ILChief]

Only weaknesses?

What else are you thinking?

[RunKC]

Matt Miller tweet:



This isn’t him claiming sources or anything. This is just a good observation that I totally agree with. Igbinoghene is a guy Chiefs fans should get more familiar with. If I were to make a list of 5 guys most likely to be our first pick he’d be on it.

I like him but only 1 INT in 39 games scares me a bit. I want more proven ball skills from my corners.

[staylor26]

I like him but only 1 INT in 39 games scares me a bit. I want more proven ball skills from my corners.

It would be more concerning if he weren’t so knew to the position. In terms of coverage, he’s already really fucking good and his ceiling is extremely high.

[RunKC]

Don’t forget this guy either:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just in case y’all don’t believe the time. <a href="https://t.co/Ov93WrM2Yz">https://t.co/Ov93WrM2Yz</a></p>&mdash; Reag (@jalenreagor) <a href="https://twitter.com/jalenreagor/status/1248800138585346048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Halfcan]

Don’t forget this guy either:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just in case y’all don’t believe the time. <a href="https://t.co/Ov93WrM2Yz">https://t.co/Ov93WrM2Yz</a></p>&mdash; Reag (@jalenreagor) <a href="https://twitter.com/jalenreagor/status/1248800138585346048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Reek, Sammy, Kelce, Mecole, Robinson and Reagor- is that even possible?

That would be the best receiving core of all time.

[Stryker]

This is soooooo tricky because an awesome RB opportunity will probably fall to us but, a CB or LB would be nice - it will truly come down to BPA. Decisions, decisions.

[Stryker]

Having said that, I hope the Chiefs select CHE only if Kenneth Murray or Swift are already taken. Build the OL and D accordingly after that. Just my .02

[Pitt Gorilla]

You know what's cool?

I don't really care.

I mean, I'm curious. I have some ideas of what I'd like.

But I have no doubt that Veach has a plan, and will make good choices.

There's not a position he could select other than a QB in the first where I'd say, " what the hell are you doing?"

Nice to be here.
I mean, no K, P, or LS, but I get your point.

[DaneMcCloud]

What else are you thinking?

The Chiefs don’t have a single running back on the roster that has ever been healthy for 16 games in season and their best RB has 1,200 yards and 12 TD’s in 6 seasons.

They lack depth at IOL, CB, S, RB, DE and WR.

They have lots of issues but none greater than the RB position.

[ChiefAshhole1056]

The Chiefs don’t have a single running back on the roster that has ever been healthy for 16 games in season and their best RB has 1,200 yards and 12 TD’s in 6 seasons.

They lack depth at IOL, CB, S, RB, DE and WR.

They have lots of issues but none greater than the RB position.

I feel this I really do (Dobbins is my hopeful pick) but I do also think that Damien Williams isn’t getting enough love around here for his contributions that he’s provided when he’s been healthy.

Ever since he took over for Kareem, his numbers have not been that far off from Hunt on a per game basis. Outside of the beginning/middle of this season (injury), Williams has performed pretty damn well and especially in the playoffs.

I think the team believes in him and he’s proven it on the biggest stages too so idk how eager Veach is to throw higher cost resources at the position as opposed to treating it much more efficiently like he has and essentially go with the lottery ticket candidates (Damien, McCoy, Hyde, Deangelo, etc.) since he knows that Reid and Mahomes can at least manufacture a semblance of a running game with a much cheaper price.

It just doesn’t make sense to spend a 1st on a position that you could likely get similar production for from someone in 3rd-5th round. I think Veach goes with veteran guys looking to redeem themselves like Theo Riddick, Chris Thompson, CJ Procise, etc. There’s just too many other positions to address with very limited draft capital as is.

[TRR]

The Chiefs don’t have a single running back on the roster that has ever been healthy for 16 games in season and their best RB has 1,200 yards and 12 TD’s in 6 seasons.

They lack depth at IOL, CB, S, RB, DE and WR.

They have lots of issues but none greater than the RB position.

In terms of depth, or lack there of, depends on the development of players like Rankin, Allegretti, Thompson, Fenton, Pringle, Harris, Speaks, O’Daniel, Watts, etc.

[Warpaint69]

In terms of depth, or lack there of, depends on the development of players like Rankin, Allegretti, Thompson, Fenton, Pringle, Harris, Speaks, O’Daniel, Watts, etc.

They also talked up rookie free agent DE Tim Ward that was hurt.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

I would prefer a really good safety over a linebacker. Linebackers just seem cheap in Spags system. And in the second half of games it usually always comes down to the pass rush of the DL and secondary. With that said I think we need a RB to grind with D Will and take pressure off Mahomes in the first (Swift, Taylor, Dobbins) and S in the second, LB in the 3rd, and OL in the 4th. Of course BPA in most any case.

[TRR]

They also talked up rookie free agent DE Tim Ward that was hurt.

Yep. I was listing guys that have at least showed something. Guys like Ward, Elijah McGuire, Alize Mack, Greg Senat all have been rumored potential players KC likes.

[Coogs]

After watching Shady fall out of favor with the Chiefs down the stretch, I'm not sure Taylor would be on the radar with his fumbling issues either. Article also says he struggles as a receiver and blocker.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/boom-or-bust-jordan-love-justin-herbert-among-15-riskiest-prospects-in-2020-nfl-draft/ar-BB12qTlH

RB Jonathan Taylor, Wisconsin
Another player who might have been best fit for a bygone era, Taylor is the kind of bell-cow back no longer heavily prized. At 5-10 and 226 pounds with breakaway speed (4.39-second 40-yard dash) and great instincts, he's an accomplished ball-carrier who finished sixth all-time in rushing for the Football Bowl Subdivision. It's the passing game, however, that could trip Taylor up, as he struggled at times as a receiver and didn't do much as a blocker. Pervasive fumbling issues (18 in 41 career games) also could put him out of favor with his next head coach. So long as he can remain healthy after tallying 968 touches in three years, Taylor will have the chance to prove himself as a dependable back at the next level, but his biggest challenge will be becoming a complete one.

[staylor26]

There’s a lot of smoke that Kristian Fulton is going to fall a bit on draft day. If he makes it to 32, I’d take him with no hesitation.

[O.city]

There’s a lot of smoke that Kristian Fulton is going to fall a bit on draft day. If he makes it to 32, I’d take him with no hesitation.

I kinda wonder if he has a greedy Williams like fall into the 2nd round

[O.city]

I think the rb from lsu is the best fit for this offense with the way he catches it. He’s perfect for the screen game

[staylor26]

I kinda wonder if he has a greedy Williams like fall into the 2nd round

That would be foolish IMO. He’s a better prospect, with better character, and he’s tough. It’s pretty obvious he played hurt for much of 2019.

[staylor26]

The guy gets knocked for athleticism but ran a 4.46 40 and a 6.94 3 cone. Makes no sense.

[O.city]

That would be foolish IMO. He’s a better prospect, with better character, and he’s tough. It’s pretty obvious he played hurt for much of 2019.

Depends. I haven’t followed it very close this year but there was some talk about his effort or lack there of last I read. I doubt he falls that far but who knows

[Chiefnj2]

After watching Shady fall out of favor with the Chiefs down the stretch, I'm not sure Taylor would be on the radar with his fumbling issues either. Article also says he struggles as a receiver and blocker.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/boom-or-bust-jordan-love-justin-herbert-among-15-riskiest-prospects-in-2020-nfl-draft/ar-BB12qTlH

Serious question, doesn’t every college back struggle with blocking when they come to the NFL?

[Easy 6]

You know what's cool?

I don't really care.

I mean, I'm curious. I have some ideas of what I'd like.

But I have no doubt that Veach has a plan, and will make good choices.

There's not a position he could select other than a QB in the first where I'd say, " what the hell are you doing?"

Nice to be here.

I’m totally down with this

It’s fun to speculate and talk it over here, but ultimately Veach has been sooo money that no matter how it shakes out... I’m confident we’ll all look at this draft and be thrilled with it

[staylor26]

Depends. I haven’t followed it very close this year but there was some talk about his effort or lack there of last I read. I doubt he falls that far but who knows

Haven’t heard much of that if anything I’m hearing a lot of praise for him playing through injuries. Maybe they were just referring to tackling, which I do agree he needs to improve on, but he’s not Marcus Peters either.

The guy allowed a 40% completion rate since 2018 in the SEC. His effort was just fine.

[staylor26]

Serious question, doesn’t every college back struggle with blocking when they come to the NFL?

Most do, but no, not “every”.

[O.city]

Most do, but no, not “every”.

I don’t view it at “struggle with” as much as just haven’t done it or really been asked to do it. Just because they haven’t done it doesn’t mean they can’t

[chiefforlife]

WOW!!!

32

Kenneth Murray - LB

School: Oklahoma | Year: Junior

I have no idea how Murray ended up falling all the way down here. He's a good player, but hey, sometimes surprises like this happen when matching up fits and needs. He could end up going way earlier in the draft, and we just couldn't let this guy fall out of the first round. He's just way too good. So, congratulations, Chiefs. Things keep coming up roses for you. Of course, if you just wanted to reach out for one of the best remaining running backs, I'm not going to be mad about that, either.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001108855/article/2020-nfl-mock-draft-with-a-twist-what-teams-should-do

[Mecca]

For some Antoine Winfield hype... I've seen his NFL comparison as Mathieu because he's versatile like that, it would be badass to have 2 guys like that.

[Chargem]

WOW!!!

32

Kenneth Murray - LB

School: Oklahoma | Year: Junior

I have no idea how Murray ended up falling all the way down here. He's a good player, but hey, sometimes surprises like this happen when matching up fits and needs. He could end up going way earlier in the draft, and we just couldn't let this guy fall out of the first round. He's just way too good. So, congratulations, Chiefs. Things keep coming up roses for you. Of course, if you just wanted to reach out for one of the best remaining running backs, I'm not going to be mad about that, either.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001108855/article/2020-nfl-mock-draft-with-a-twist-what-teams-should-do

Fulton is still on the board in that mock, don't think I'd be taking Murray...

[staylor26]

Fulton is still on the board in that mock, don't think I'd be taking Murray...

Yea ummm, I clearly like Fulton (just look at my last couple of posts in this thread), but no way I’m passing on Murray if he falls into our lap too.

[Oxford]

#1 Option: Trade back into the second round, somewhere between 33-40. #2 Option: LB, RB, WR, CB = Best Player Available

I like the tradeback, IF you can get your LB/CB/S with that pick. Picking up a 3rd rd pick would enable a developmental OL (OT preferably), I bet you can get good G or C talent in the 4th and later.

[DaneMcCloud]

I like the tradeback, IF you can get your LB/CB/S with that pick. Picking up a 3rd rd pick would enable a developmental OL (OT preferably), I bet you can get good G or C talent in the 4th and later.

This is a supremely awful take

[DaneMcCloud]

Ever since he took over for Kareem, his numbers have not been that far off from Hunt on a per game basis. Outside of the beginning/middle of this season (injury), Williams has performed pretty damn well and especially in the playoffs.

This is complete and utter nonsense.

Williams has been in the league for 6 years and has 1,200 yards and 12 TD during that tenure.

Hunt had 1,300+ yards and 8 TD's in his rookie season.

Counting on a 28 year old RB who's never played a full 16 game season, let alone 19 games, is foolish. And in terms of NFL productivity, Williams is barely a pimple on Kareem Hunt's ass.

It just doesn’t make sense to spend a 1st on a position that you could likely get similar production for from someone in 3rd-5th round.

This is complete speculation and has become a dumb narrative.

I think Veach goes with veteran guys looking to redeem themselves like Theo Riddick, Chris Thompson, CJ Procise, etc. There’s just too many other positions to address with very limited draft capital as is.

Just what the Chiefs need: A older failure in the backfield to round out their current batch of scrubs.

[MahomesMagic]

Queen
Murray
Fulton

Are the guys who match need/value most.

If those guys are all gone then look at

Lloyd Cushenberry, Center
KJ Hamler, WR
Cesar Ruiz, Center/Guard
D'Andre Swift, RB

Trade Back into the 2nd and get another pick

JK Dobbins, RB
Michael Pittman, WR

come into play.

[BigRedChief]

Without reading the whole thread........

It’s a strong consensus that our top needs are......

Corner
Coverage LB
Interior OL

Correct?

[staylor26]

AJ Epenesa is another guy that people are talking about falling out of the 1st.

We’re going to have at least one guy fall to us unexpectedly.

Murray or Queen if the Saints or Ravens don’t go LB, Epenesa or Fulton due to teams not being as high on them as the media, Swift or Ruiz due to positional value etc.

[Skyy God]

Without reading the whole thread........

It’s a strong consensus that our top needs are......

Corner
Coverage LB
Interior OL

Correct?

Running back is also a need.

[RunKC]

With this WR class I just can’t see RB being taken with our first pick. Mark me down for this one bc I’m pretty comfortable predicting it: if the Chiefs take a weapon early it will be Jalen Reagor

[Pitt Gorilla]

Queen
Murray
Fulton

Are the guys who match need/value most.

If those guys are all gone then look at

Lloyd Cushenberry, Center
KJ Hamler, WR
Cesar Ruiz, Center/Guard
D'Andre Swift, RB

Trade Back into the 2nd and get another pick

JK Dobbins, RB
Michael Pittman, WR

come into play.
If those guys are all gone, other supremely talented guys will have fallen to that spot. We’ll have great choices at 32.

[MahomesMagic]

If those guys are all gone, other supremely talented guys will have fallen to that spot. We’ll have great choices at 32.

There very well could be a surprise player that drops. That's the great thing about where we are right now. Just keep hitting on picks and adding great football players and we will be in it every year with Mahomes.

[Pitt Gorilla]

There very well could be a surprise player that drops. That's the great thing about where we are right now. Just keep hitting on picks and adding great football players and we will be in it every year with Mahomes.

It’s not even about surprise players; it’s that only 31 players can be chosen before our pick and this draft is deep with talent. The more QBs that go in that 31, the better.

[Chief Northman]

Just me spitballing here....

The roster is in good shape and there are not a lot of glaring needs. I think a few things will dictate the pick at #32:

1) Unexpected drop of a top 20-25 player on their board
2) I think the interior offensive line, and yes, the cornerback position is artificially inflated in this draft. The Breeland signing mitigates a bit of the need at Corner.
3) Linebacker is the biggest need. The Chiefs need a coverage backer, and a replacement for Ragland.

Depending how the board falls, the Chiefs might find themselves in a position where the elite corners are gone, Murray, Queen, and Simmons will be long gone, and then they might be left looking at offensive skill positions or slightly reaching on interior offensive line help.

- I think if one of the top 3 LB’s are on the board, that will be the pick. Large need at the position, and the players are worthy of that draft slot.
- Names to look for if the lb’s are gone?: Epenesa, Gross-Matos, Becton, Jones as surprise sliders.
- If the Chiefs think they can get great value later in the draft at running back or wide receiver, I think that is where they will draft offense. But I also think there is an argument that can be made where the elite safeties McKinney and Delpit,could easily be the pick because of their versatility.

[MahomesMagic]

It’s not even about surprise players; it’s that only 31 players can be chosen before our pick and this draft is deep with talent. The more QBs that go in that 31, the better.

I also hope teams reach for crappy CB's and make a mistake on WR.

Look at New England last year. They took N'Keal Harry last year when

McLaurin
Metcalf
Samuel
Hardman
AJ Brown

on the board as better WR options.

:thumb:

[Couch-Potato]

1. Queen LB or Swift RB
2. Johson CB or Hall CB
3. Moss/Gibson RB or Claypool/Moss TE
4. Hennessy OG or Bredeson OG

[Chief Roundup]

Running back is also a need.

No it is not.

[OKchiefs]

No it is not.

How is runningback not a need?

[DaneMcCloud]

No it is not.

What?

It's the Chiefs biggest need on offense by a wide margin and it could easily be argued that it's the biggest need overall.

[ILChief]

What?

It's the Chiefs biggest need on offense by a wide margin and it could easily be argued that it's the biggest need overall.

Williams is fine. Thompson and Washington are good enough fill ins. Beef up the interior o line and we can plug any serviceable back in there and be fine.

[DaneMcCloud]

Williams is fine. Thompson and Washington are good enough fill ins. Beef up the interior o line and we can plug any serviceable back in there and be fine.

Complete and utter horseshit.

Williams can't stay healthy. He's 28 and never played in all 16 games. The Chiefs signed worthless old ass LeSean McCoy, who singlehandedly lost the Colts game and the other scrubs didn't do dick the entire season, which nearly led to them missing the #2 Seed, leaving them zero chance at the #1 seed.

If you want to see a 9-7 or 10-6 team this season, ignore the running back position because that's what you'll be looking at this year if the Chiefs don't add a true feature back.

[Chief Roundup]

How is runningback not a need?

What?

It's the Chiefs biggest need on offense by a wide margin and it could easily be argued that it's the biggest need overall.

Damien Williams, Darrel Williams, Darwin Thompson, DeAndre Washington, Elijah McGuire, Mike Webber and Marcus Marshall.

We ran the ball 37% of the snaps last year, 11% of those were to either the TE or WR. In other words 26% of the snaps went to a RB, with the stable we have combined with the way we use the RB position you shouldn't put a top 100 pick let alone your first pick into that position.
Stats provided by Chris Simms podcast.

[Chief Roundup]

If you want to see a 9-7 or 10-6 team this season, ignore the running back position because that's what you'll be looking at this year if the Chiefs don't add a true feature back.

Bold prediction.
Definitely marking this one for later.

[Chief Roundup]

Complete and utter horseshit.

Williams can't stay healthy. He's 28 and never played in all 16 games.

Dude is a baller. He reminds me of Mr. October, you know Reggie Jackson. All he does is show up in the playoffs and Super Bowl and dominate.

[ModSocks]

Damien Williams, Darrel Williams, Darwin Thompson, DeAndre Washington, Elijah McGuire, Mike Webber and Marcus Marshall.

We ran the ball 37% of the snaps last year, 11% of those were to either the TE or WR. In other words 26% of the snaps went to a RB, with the stable we have combined with the way we use the RB position you shouldn't put a top 100 pick let alone your first pick into that position.
Stats provided by Chris Simms podcast.

Darwin Thompson at this point looks like a freakin' air head. He's aloof.

He's a spark plug sure, but he's wildly inconsistent and you just cant trust him.

Washington may end up being a decent player for us. We'll know as soon as Damien gets injured because he WILL get injured.

The rest of that list is a bunch of JAGS.

What you're saying is, "We're good with JAGS".

The rest of us are saying, "we can do better than a JAG, and our Running game could be a feature, not handicap".

[Buckweath]

DaneMcCloud is definitly off about the RB position but after CB and LB, it is the biggest need along with IOL.

RB is arguably the easiest position to find quality in the lower rounds, UDFA or even the remaining free agents.

[DaneMcCloud]

Bold prediction.
Definitely marking this one for later.

You're crazy if you think the Chiefs should rely on a 28 year old who's never been healthy for an entire season in 6 tries, and some bottom feeder scrubs who'd be lucky to make another NFL roster.

Look around the league - the Ravens, Saints, 49ers and other Super Bowl contenders have strong running games with elite or near elite running backs.

The Chiefs lost games last season when Mahomes wasn't 100%, games they would have won otherwise, save for the fact their running game was dogshit.

Counting on a bunch of unproven running backs this season, especially in a season without OTA's, minicamps and private workouts with Mahomes, is extremely unwise.

[DaneMcCloud]

DaneMcCloud is definitly off about the RB position but after CB and LB, it is the biggest need along with IOL.

RB is arguably the easiest position to find quality in the lower rounds, UDFA or even the remaining free agents.

If it's so easy, where's the Chiefs feature back?

Where's their 1,000+ yard rusher on this roster?

[ILChief]

DaneMcCloud is definitly off about the RB position but after CB and LB, it is the biggest need along with IOL.

RB is arguably the easiest position to find quality in the lower rounds, UDFA or even the remaining free agents.

Guys like spencer ware and Carlos Hyde are always available for next to nothing. Draft o line or defense early

[DaneMcCloud]

Darwin Thompson at this point looks like a freakin' air head. He's aloof.

He may have the physical attributes to be successful NFL running back but he just seems completely lost when he's on the field.

Look no further than the playoff game, in which the ball landed in his hands while he stood there, trying to figure out what move to make next.

It was like he was thinking in real-time, "What should I do now?".

He's shown no instincts and no vision.

[ILChief]

If it's so easy, where's the Chiefs feature back?

Where's their 1,000+ yard rusher on this roster?

Why would you want to feature a running back when you have the best QB on the planet. Our running back needs to pick up 3rd and 1 and kill the clock

[DaneMcCloud]

Guys like spencer ware and Carlos Hyde are always available for next to nothing. Draft o line or defense early

So, sign Spencer Ware, again, only to watch him play a few games, then end up on IR for the rest of the season?

Seems wise.

[DaneMcCloud]

Why would you want to feature a running back when you have the best QB on the planet. Our running back needs to pick up 3rd and 1 and kill the clock

Are you fucking kidding me with this shit?

Are you serious?

[staylor26]

If it's so easy, where's the Chiefs feature back?

Where's their 1,000+ yard rusher on this roster?

What’s funny is one of the guys that’s been used as an example is Phillip Lindsay and the Broncos just overpaid for a 1st round RB to replace him lmao

The truth is, most of the leagues best backs come in rounds 1-3.

[ILChief]

Are you fucking kidding me with this shit?

Are you serious?

Yes I’m serious.

[Chief Roundup]

If it's so easy, where's the Chiefs feature back?

Where's their 1,000+ yard rusher on this roster?

Not going to have a 1,000+ yard rusher on this team as that is not the offense we operate.

[Chief Roundup]

Darwin Thompson at this point looks like a freakin' air head. He's aloof.

He's a spark plug sure, but he's wildly inconsistent and you just cant trust him.

Washington may end up being a decent player for us. We'll know as soon as Damien gets injured because he WILL get injured.

The rest of that list is a bunch of JAGS.

What you're saying is, "We're good with JAGS".

The rest of us are saying, "we can do better than a JAG, and our Running game could be a feature, not handicap".

We are not and will not be a running team.

[Easy 6]

If you put a gun to my head and say “interior line or RB?”, I’m taking that lineman

I’m fucking sick of watching that interior collapse almost instantaneously game after game... #15 was constantly facing jailbreaks, and the AFCW has been loading up on D line all offseason

If we take a back that’s fine, but make it in the 4th or lower

[DaneMcCloud]

Yes I’m serious.


If the Chiefs go into the 2020 season without seriously upgrading their RB position, teams will just load up and rush Mahomes every single down because opposing D Coordinators will not respect their running game.

They're playing some serious defenses on the road this season in the Saints, the Bucs, Bills and Ravens while the Raiders and Chargers have already added some damn good players to their defenses.

If teams don't respect the Chiefs running game, Mahomes will be running for his life all season and there's no single offensive lineman upgrade that would change that fact.

[DaneMcCloud]

Not going to have a 1,000+ yard rusher on this team as that is not the offense we operate.

Funny, Kareem Hunt had more than 1,300 his rookie season and was headed for well over 1,000 yards when he was dismissed in 2018.

If the Chiefs had a Kareem Hunt type player last season, they not only would have won more games but they most likely would have had a healthier Patrick Mahomes all season.

[staylor26]

We are not and will not be a running team.

A lot of people have IOL high on our list of needs simple because they want to keep Mahomes healthy.

Would a RB that could close out games not also help keep Mahomes healthy? The more he drops back to pass, the higher the risk that he gets hurt, regardless of how good our OL is.

I want Mahomes throwing most of the time, but it would be nice to have a stud RB for him to hand off to and help close games while helping keep him healthy.

[OKchiefs]

Not going to have a 1,000+ yard rusher on this team as that is not the offense we operate.

Kareem was that guy on this team before he was released, so that's bullshit.

[Chief Roundup]

Funny, Kareem Hunt had more than 1,300 his rookie season and was headed for well over 1,000 yards when he was dismissed.

If the Chiefs had a Kareem Hunt type player last season, they not only would have won more games but they most likely would have had a healthier Patrick Mahomes all season.

You mean when Alex Smith was our starting QB and Mahomes rookie season. Not that way anymore.

[DaneMcCloud]

We are not and will not be a running team.

The Chiefs weren't a "running team" in 2019 because they had shit at the position.

Until last season, Andy Reid has always had a strong running game to compliment his passing game.

[ILChief]

What’s funny is one of the guys that’s been used as an example is Phillip Lindsay and the Broncos just overpaid for a 1st round RB to replace him lmao

The truth is, most of the leagues best backs come in rounds 1-3.

Who was the last super bowl winning team that had a stud running back? Seahawks with Marshawn Lynch?

[DaneMcCloud]

You mean when Alex Smith was our starting QB and Mahomes rookie season. Not that way anymore.

:facepalm:

[ILChief]

Kareem was that guy on this team before he was released, so that's bullshit.

And he was also a third or fourth round pick

[DaneMcCloud]

And he was also a third or fourth round pick

He was a third round pick.

How do you not know this?

[BossChief]

Without reading the whole thread........

It’s a strong consensus that our top needs are......

Corner
Coverage LB
Interior OL

Correct?

One could make the argument that WR is also a pretty big need.

Watkins and Robinson are gone after this year.

Also, could you imagine adding a top flight WR in the first or second?

If the right guy falls, the offense becomes totally unstoppable.

Usually I’d say it would be a waste, but with Mahomes and the way we’re likely losing Watkins and Robinson after this year, that kinda pick would be exciting.

[DaneMcCloud]

One could make the argument that WR is also a pretty big need.

Watkins and Robinson are gone after this year.

I've said this before and probably even in this thread but man, I'd really hate to see the Chiefs pass on a WR in this draft like they did in 2014.

Ugh.

[Buckweath]

Im not opposed to drafting a RB early but I stand that the CB and LB and arguably IOL positions are bigger needs. While I would be surprised to see Veach draft a RB in the 1st round I don't think it is completely out of question.

The Chiefs RB group is a bottom 10 at best group in the league but then you have the best QB on the league, a top 2 TE, a top group of WRs and an average OL. It would be nice to add a great RB prospect but you don't absolutely need it to be again the top offense in the league.

[ILChief]

He was a third round pick.

How do you not know this?

I said he was third or fourth. I was right. I don’t have every player we’ve drafted round and pick memorized. Especially idiots who can’t stay out of trouble

[DaneMcCloud]

Im not opposed to drafting a RB

Wow, this makes me feel SO much better knowing that you're not opposed to it.

Whew!

[staylor26]

I've said this before and probably even in this thread but man, I'd really hate to see the Chiefs pass on a WR in this draft like they did in 2014.

Ugh.

I don’t think they pass, but I also don’t think they take one until the 4th/5th.

[DaneMcCloud]

I said he was third or fourth. I was right. I don’t have every player we’ve drafted round and pick memorized. Especially idiots who can’t stay out of trouble

Just like Mahomes was a 1st or a 2nd.

I'm right, too.

[ILChief]

Just like Mahomes was a 1st or a 2nd.

I'm right, too.

Yeah I guess if it makes you feel better

[Buckweath]

WR is not a big need. You can draft one around round 3 or later but can easily pass too.

After next season, you still have Hill and Hardman. You can easily sign a decent FA and draft one next year and you're still good to keep rolling.

Really not sure that Veach will be drafting any WR this draft. It obviously all depends on how the draft board falls.

[DaneMcCloud]

Yeah I guess if it makes you feel better

No, it just makes you look dumber.

If you want people to respect your posts, know your facts.

[ILChief]

No, it just makes you look dumber.

If you want people to respect your posts, know your facts.

Ok

[DaneMcCloud]

WR is not a big need. You can draft one around round 3 or later but can easily pass too.

You can easily sign a decent FA and draft one next year and you're still good to keep rolling.


Easily, huh? Yeah, I'm sure the Chiefs will have an extra $10-15 million to spend on a WR after paying Mahomes $35+ million, Clark $20 million, etc. and so on.

Easy.

[Chris Meck]

Funny, Kareem Hunt had more than 1,300 his rookie season and was headed for well over 1,000 yards when he was dismissed in 2018.

If the Chiefs had a Kareem Hunt type player last season, they not only would have won more games but they most likely would have had a healthier Patrick Mahomes all season.

Hunt was a great back but nobody was running for 1000 plus and a healthy ypc behind Erving-Wylie-Reiter-and LDT.

Only a guy that can routinely make something from nothing could've done that. Hunt isn't that kind of back. Jamaal Charles in his prime could have I suppose.

I'm not arguing that we couldn't use an upgrade at RB but I see IOL as a fairly desperate need for upgrade

[Buckweath]

Easily, huh? Yeah, I'm sure the Chiefs will have an extra $10-15 million to spend on a WR after paying Mahomes $35+ million, Clark $20 million, etc. and so on.

Easy.
You sign one of those FA that costs you less than 5M per season. A player to be your #3 or #4 WR. Those don't cost $10-$15 million per season. Why did I need to explain that?

[BossChief]

I've said this before and probably even in this thread but man, I'd really hate to see the Chiefs pass on a WR in this draft like they did in 2014.

Ugh.

Would anyone actually be mad if we spent our first 2 picks on Higgins and CEH?

[keg in kc]

WR is a bigger need than anyone acknowledges. Watkins and Robinson are on 1-year deals. That means Hill and Hardman in 2021. That's it. This would be a perfect year to take advantage of a deep class, find a guy in a middle round that would grade much higher in a 'normal' WR class, work him in slowly in 2020 (like they would have with Hardman in 2019 without Hill's injuries) and have him hit the ground full speed in 2021.

Waiting a year to do that means we're probably getting less value out of a higher pick, and we're waiting until 2022 for real production.

[DaneMcCloud]

Hunt was a great back but nobody was running for 1000 plus and a healthy ypc behind Erving-Wylie-Reiter-and LDT.

In 2018, Hunt had 824 yards and 7 rushing TD's in only 11 games, many of which featured Erving, Wylie, Reiter and LDT.

Only a guy that can routinely make something from nothing could've done that. Hunt isn't that kind of back. Jamaal Charles in his prime could have I suppose.

See above

I'm not arguing that we couldn't use an upgrade at RB but I see IOL as a fairly desperate need for upgrade

Upgrading the center/guard spot while ignoring the RB position would be insanely dumb.

You want to give Mahomes more time? Get him a feature back.

[Chris Meck]

If you put a gun to my head and say “interior line or RB?”, I’m taking that lineman

I’m ****ing sick of watching that interior collapse almost instantaneously game after game... #15 was constantly facing jailbreaks, and the AFCW has been loading up on D line all offseason

If we take a back that’s fine, but make it in the 4th or lower

I'm pretty sure we're going to do both but I agree upgrading the interior line play is the biggest necessity.

[DaneMcCloud]

Would anyone actually be mad if we spent our first 2 picks on Higgins and CEH?

I know I wouldn't be upset.

About the only thing that would "upset" me in this draft would be staying at #32 and taking a guard/center, when there are game changers on the board.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'm pretty sure we're going to do both but I agree upgrading the interior line play is the biggest necessity.

Andy Reid has routinely taken offensive lineman on Day 3 who've become solid, if not spectacular, lineman.

The same can't be said for RB. I've posted his RB draft history recently and outside of a few hits (McCoy, Hunt & Westbrook), it's been a ton of misses, even in the third round.

[ILChief]

Would anyone actually be mad if we spent our first 2 picks on Higgins and CEH?

We are going to have to pick up a linebacker pretty early. We have nothing outside of Hitchens and Wilson

[BossChief]

I know I wouldn't be upset.

About the only thing that would "upset" me in this draft would be staying at #32 and taking a guard/center, when there are game changers on the board.

I highly doubt that’s the plan, But Reiter is going into the last year of his contract and that position needs an upgrade. I’d much rather see that happen in the 2nd or later. I wouldn’t be pissed if they took a good center in the first, but I sure wouldn’t be excited about the pick.

[Chris Meck]

In 2018, Hunt had 824 yards and 7 rushing TD's in only 11 games, many of which featured Erving, Wylie, Reiter and LDT.



See above



Upgrading the center/guard spot while ignoring the RB position would be insanely dumb.

You want to give Mahomes more time? Get him a feature back.

Don't be dense. Erving at left tackle for half the season was a problem. Wylie and Reiter in spot duty isn't the same as getting exposed as weak long term starters and LDT was not the same player post injury. You know these observations are true. You're not stupid.

We're going to throw 60% of the time even if we have Jim Brown reincarnated at RB because we have Patrick Mahomes and a stellar group of explosive pass catchers.

I'm certainly not against drafting a back. I'm for it actually, and I think the 3rd round should be a sweet spot to do so.

But if you need an 2019 example of an elite back behind a shit line go ask Bell about it. Or maybe ask Hunt how Cleveland is working out so far.

[staylor26]

I highly doubt that’s the plan, But Reiter is going into the last year of his contract and that position needs an upgrade. I’d much rather see that happen in the 2nd or later. I wouldn’t be pissed if they took a good center in the first, but I sure wouldn’t be excited about the pick.

It’s either Cesar Ruiz or nobody in terms of the 1st.

[DaneMcCloud]

Don't be dense.


And you can just fuck right off

Erving at left tackle for half the season was a problem. Wylie and Reiter in spot duty isn't the same as getting exposed as weak long term starters and LDT was not the same player post injury. You know these observations are true. You're not stupid.

Wow, it's like True Fan Nation has returned.

Lovely.

We're going to throw 60% of the time even if we have Jim Brown reincarnated at RB because we have Patrick Mahomes and a stellar group of explosive pass catchers.

And Mahomes will end up missing just as many games as last year if they don't upgrade the RB position and throw it 60% of the time.

Good fucking grief.

I'm certainly not against drafting a back. I'm for it actually, and I think the 3rd round should be a sweet spot to do so.

Why? Why is that the "sweet" spot?

But if you need an 2019 example of an elite back behind a shit line go ask Bell about it. Or maybe ask Hunt Cleveland is working out so far.

Yeah, because both of those guys are playing for a Hall of Fame coach, right?

[keg in kc]

I know I wouldn't be upset.

About the only thing that would "upset" me in this draft would be staying at #32 and taking a guard/center, when there are game changers on the board.Too many people are still stuck in the "need" arena when they need to think about positional value. OMG we need a corner and a linebacker and a defensive lineman. Better draft that!

I've said it for fucking years.... That's not what the draft is for. But no. "Draft linemen, we can find skill players in free agency."

No. No you can't. Good skill position players don't hit free agency, and they are very rarely traded. Whereas linemen can be reclamated from all over the place.

Draft the best talent you can get. Period. If that's a receiver, it's a receiver. If it's a back it's a back. If it's a linebacker, great. But if we're talking about a lineman at pick 32 he better be fucking Will Shields (a 3rd rounder btw) or John Tait or Eric Fisher sitting at the bottom of the round, especially when we're talking about a draft class loaded with skill players.

[BossChief]

We are going to have to pick up a linebacker pretty early. We have nothing outside of Hitchens and Wilson

Everything depends on who’s still on the board when we pick.

You never draft for need.

Ever.

Teams that draft for need always end up with a bunch of so so players.

Teams that take the BPA always have premium players.

[DaneMcCloud]

I highly doubt that’s the plan, But Reiter is going into the last year of his contract and that position needs an upgrade. I’d much rather see that happen in the 2nd or later. I wouldn’t be pissed if they took a good center in the first, but I sure wouldn’t be excited about the pick.

There is no doubt that they need better offensive line depth but with several glaring holes, I just cannot imagine Veach taking a center over one of the extremely talented WR's.

A LB like Queen in the first would be fantastic but I just don't know if he'll be there at #32 because there are several teams ahead of the Chiefs that could use upgrades at the LB position, too.

[DaneMcCloud]

Everything depends on who’s still on the board when we pick.

You never draft for need.

Ever.

Teams that draft for need always end up with a bunch of so so players.

Teams that take the BPA always have premium players.

Exactly

[ILChief]

Everything depends on who’s still on the board when we pick.

You never draft for need.

Ever.

Teams that draft for need always end up with a bunch of so so players.

Teams that take the BPA always have premium players.

So you’re ok with starting Dorian o’daniel at linebacker. Free agency is over. If we don’t draft one, that’s where we are at

[DaneMcCloud]

Too many people are still stuck in the "need" arena when they need to think about positional value. OMG we need a corner and a linebacker and a defensive lineman. Better draft that!

Yeah, it's as if Carl's True Fans have returned