Clowney lowers asking price

[JakeF]

from 20m per to 17/18m per

If Clowney's asking price continues to drop will it affect Chris Jones' contract?

[ThyKingdomCome15]

17-18 is Dee Ford money. But with his injury history its buyer be ware. I don't think he's gonna get even that much. 14 mil a year is his price tag, Robert Quin money.

[Ubeja Vontell]

If I'm Russell Wilson he's letting it be known they need a pass rusher so make it happen, if he/$$$$ can help out within reason, cool.

[FAX]

Now, this is funny.

FAX

[Red Dawg]

from 20m per to 17/18m per

If Clowney's asking price continues to drop will it affect Chris Jones' contract?

I wish it would but Buckner got 21 mil fron Indy.

[JakeF]

I wish it would but Buckner got 21 mil fron Indy.
Forgot about him, Buckner got too much.

I wonder how much Jones is asking.

20m is too much.

[Ubeja Vontell]

Now, this is funny.

FAX

Why were the Pats so dominate?

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

This was like 2 weeks ago but still pretty funny. Clowney is worth about 10 mil

[POND_OF_RED]

I wish it would but Buckner got 21 mil fron Indy.

Forgot about him, Buckner got too much.

I wonder how much Jones is asking.

20m is too much.

Which makes you wonder if that Buckner contract was a legitimate chess move by Ballard to inflate the market for Jones and make it nearly impossible for a long term deal to get done. No way Buckner is worth that much, but forcing the top team in the conference into tougher salary decisions is probably worth some wasted millions to other teams. Hope Veach pulls off a better move and makes him look like an idiot.

[KChiefs1]

Hopefully Chris Jones is watching.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Hopefully Chris Jones is watching.

Jones is so much better than Clowney. Also different positions. This has no impact on Jones

[FAX]

I'm not sure that Clowney comprehends price/value dynamics.

FAX

[Skyy God]

I’d offer Clowney about tree fiddy.

[JakeF]

Which makes you wonder if that Buckner contract was a legitimate chess move by Ballard to inflate the market for Jones and make it nearly impossible for a long term deal to get done. No way Buckner is worth that much, but forcing the top team in the conference into tougher salary decisions is probably worth some wasted millions to other teams. Hope Veach pulls off a better move and makes him look like an idiot.

No, a GM isn't going to pay his player 5m per year too much just to mess with another team. He might structure a contract weird to keep another team from matching it but that's about it. jmo.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

What a fucking stud Veach is to choose Clark over this Clown

[Red Dawg]

Clowny just isn't a complete player. Ford isn't either. They do one thing well and rest is crap.

[R Clark]

What a ****ing stud Veach is to choose Clark over this Clown

Yep no comparison clark is a stud

[rabblerouser]

No shit.

[KChiefs1]

Chiefs have enough cap room to sign him to a one year deal?

[JakeF]

If Clowney has lowered his price some more a 1-year deal would be nice.


We need to keep adding talent.

[DaneMcCloud]

Chiefs have enough cap room to sign him to a one year deal?

Not unless he's willing to take an 75-80% pay cut

[Halfcan]

O line is a bigger need than signing Clowney.

[JakeF]

O line is a bigger need than signing Clowney.
It is, but where is the talented guy available for us to sign?

[MMXcalibur]

Before too long, we’ll be seeing Clowney on the side of the road begging for work.

“Will rush QB for $15m”

[RealSNR]

When we need somebody, we'll sign somebody. How about that?

We probably don't need Clowney. And if we did need Clowney, ten bucks says Veach comes up with an alternative that's much cheaper and probably a better fit for us.

Must we bring up how we needed Jalen Ramsey or else everybody would die?

[Jerok]

Will Clowney sign for 7 mil for a Superbowl ring and to look good with Jones and Clark and not get double teamed ever?

[Halfcan]

It is, but where is the talented guy available for us to sign?

https://nfltraderumors.co/top-25-2020-nfl-free-agents-list/

Pickens are getting slim- but there are a few guys that could fit our budget.

[BossChief]

Kpass
Okafor
Speaks
Clark
Hanna
Taco
Harris
Ward

Uncertainty about next years cap

I guess the only way you’d sign Clowney Is if Veach thinks he’d need him to win a title and I don’t think that’s the case at all.

[Dayze]

Clowney living on his Michigan tackle.......still.


That’s how I’d frame it it if i were Veatch.

I mean...what’s it take to motivate this guy.

[RealSNR]

Clowney living on his Michigan tackle.......still.


That’s how I’d frame it it if i were Veatch.

I mean...what’s it take to motivate this guy.

That's basically it.

Dude killed it for a few games in college, achieved top-of-the-draft status, then mailed it in. As a pro, he's been inconsistent at best. Hell, Dee Ford came from that same draft. Has he even played in as many games as Ford or produced as much as him?

Honestly, fuck Clowney. The old Chiefs used to go gaga over "BUT TEH POTENSHUUUUL" guys like him. The new Chiefs don't have time for losers like Clowney. Either you're good or you're not, and if you're not, you better be fucking cheap.

[BossChief]

I mean, if he’d take 5m for one year, he’d be a good signing...but that’s unrealistic.

[RealSNR]

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ClowJa00.htm

Yeeeaaahhh... I'm gonna say fuck this dipshit. He's been talking about dollar figures all offseason, and all we've been MAYBE looking for is an extra boost to our pass rush.

He wants a payday, we want a cheap capstone to an already established product.

Fuck Clowney

[Couch-Potato]

Would love to have him on the squad! Figure it out Veach!

[Chris Meck]

I do not understand the fascination with Clowney.

He's not that great. Why does everyone want to throw a bunch of money at him? He's just a complimentary piece.

[Bowser]

I do not understand the fascination with Clowney.

He's not that great. Why does everyone want to throw a bunch of money at him? He's just a complimentary piece.

While I agree with this, I can understand Spags' interest (if there really is any interest). With the Giants, he had those four pass rushers that basically won them the Super Bowl, and Clowney lined up next to Jones and Clark would be a force.

[Bowser]

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ClowJa00.htm

Yeeeaaahhh... I'm gonna say fuck this dipshit. He's been talking about dollar figures all offseason, and all we've been MAYBE looking for is an extra boost to our pass rush.

He wants a payday, we want a cheap capstone to an already established product.

Fuck Clowney

Let's see what Taco Charlton and an ascending K Pass can do next to Jones and Clark. I'm fine with that.

[RealSNR]

We did fine with "just enough" at that other DE spot all year. Hell, Ogbah led the team in sacks for the first several games of the season. He was averaging 1 or 2 per game until he got hurt.

Okafor was fine as well. Did about what we expected him to do. And obviously after that, we had Suggs.

I'm fine with Okafor if he stays healthy. And in the event he's hurt, it's not like we don't have options. Spags is constantly rotating linemen as it is, and I'd like to see Jones get some more snaps at end on early downs.

We have enough talent. We'll be fine.

[CatfishBob2]

Did we forget he's been batting injuries most of his career?...he would be a supreme luxury if he somehow managed to come here

[Coogs]

Chiefs have enough cap room to sign him to a one year deal?

13.9+ according to Over the Cap.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/kansas-city-chiefs/

[kccrow]

https://nfltraderumors.co/top-25-2020-nfl-free-agents-list/

Pickens are getting slim- but there are a few guys that could fit our budget.

Some guys that pop out a bit to me and fit some injury spots are:

Josh Kline - G/C flexibility and would likely be a starter. Actually preferred him before the Osemele signing.
Marshall Newhouse - T/G flexibility but nothing but a backup
Tavon Wilson - SS/FS flexibility and better than what the Chiefs have as reserves now. Indy bringing him in for a look today though.

[Sassy Squatch]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Saints?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Saints</a> are sending an all-out blitz to try to sign Jadeveon Clowney, who has spoken multiple times to coach Sean Payton, sources tell me and <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RapSheet</a>. At least two other teams still involved as Clowney&#39;s extended free-agent saga nears a close.</p>&mdash; Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1301655056731852800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[BossChief]

I’m sure Kamara is thrilled.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

If the Saints get Clowney, I’d say see ya in the Super Bowl

[New World Order]

If the Saints get Clowney, I’d say see ya in the Super Bowl

That would be a fun SB

[Sassy Squatch]

If the Saints get Clowney, I’d say see ya in the Super Bowl
Nah, they'll choke against the Vikings.

[FloridaMan88]

If the Saints get Clowney, I’d say see ya in the Super Bowl

That assumes Brees’ play rebounds and doesn’t continue to diminish like it did towards the end of last season.

[TripleThreat]

I don’t even think clowney is all that good IMO.

Makes a few plays here and there, jumps around screaming, and is a dirty player....

[Pasta Little Brioni]

If the Saints get Clowney, I’d say see ya in the Super Bowl

Clowney is so over hyped it's ridiculous. He doesn't maje anyone a contender

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Clowney is so over hyped it's ridiculous. He doesn't maje anyone a contender

Injuries are a problem but the dude is very disruptive every time I watch

[PattyFlakes]

I wouldn’t hate having him on the end opposite Frank Clark as he can be a disruptive force, but dude has only started all 16 games in a season once, and has never cracked double digits in sacks in a season. So he just doesn’t excite me a whole lot.

[Mecca]

Clowney fired his agent for the second time this morning.

[CasselGotPeedOn]

LMAO

[Sassy Squatch]

The fuck is wrong with this dude? Didn't he have offers for 18 million from a couple of teams?

[alanm]

The **** is wrong with this dude? Didn't he have offers for 18 million from a couple of teams?Apparently he must have thought his agent could get more. Silly Clown. :rolleyes:

[Otter]

How do you say "Alright, Clowney! This isn't funny anymore!" with a straight face?

This is the crux of the problem. I'm sure of it.

[Mecca]

He got the biggest offer from Cleveland and told his agent he didn't wanna play there.

[FloridaMan88]

Clowney to Tennessee...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jadeveon Clowney is expected to sign with the Tennessee Titans sources tell ESPN. He rejoins Mike Vrabel who was on the Texans defensive staff for Clowney’s first 3 years in the league in Houston. The Saints, the other main suitor, made a very strong case. This was a close one.</p>&mdash; Dianna Russini (@diannaESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/1302377303268352002?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Initial word is one year $12 million for Clowney. Unconfirmed but that’s the talk. If so, same as Ngakoue.</p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1302379461866917889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[htismaqe]

He got the biggest offer from Cleveland and told his agent he didn't wanna play there.

ROFL

[Deberg_1990]

Clowney to Tennessee...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jadeveon Clowney is expected to sign with the Tennessee Titans sources tell ESPN. He rejoins Mike Vrabel who was on the Texans defensive staff for Clowney’s first 3 years in the league in Houston. The Saints, the other main suitor, made a very strong case. This was a close one.</p>&mdash; Dianna Russini (@diannaESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/1302377303268352002?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Initial word is one year $12 million for Clowney. Unconfirmed but that’s the talk. If so, same as Ngakoue.</p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1302379461866917889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Uh oh...

Chiefs vs Titans in AFC championship game?

[htismaqe]

Uh oh...

Chiefs vs Titans in AFC championship game?

Highly unlikely Tannehill has another year like last year but I guess we'll see.

[FloridaMan88]

Highly unlikely Tannehill has another year like last year but I guess we'll see.

Tennessee has to hope Henry stays healthy and has another epic streak like he had at the end of last season... seems unlikely.

[Bewbies]

Uh oh...

Chiefs vs Titans in AFC championship game?

I hope so.

[Kiimo]

Titans will be good, it's stupid to assume otherwise

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Nice. I like the Titans any week they aren’t playing the Chiefs.

[RunKC]

His first game will be against Denver with no RT and Bolles. I bet he gets 3 sacks that night.

[KChiefs1]

Clowney to Tennessee...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jadeveon Clowney is expected to sign with the Tennessee Titans sources tell ESPN. He rejoins Mike Vrabel who was on the Texans defensive staff for Clowney’s first 3 years in the league in Houston. The Saints, the other main suitor, made a very strong case. This was a close one.</p>— Dianna Russini (@diannaESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/1302377303268352002?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Initial word is one year $12 million for Clowney. Unconfirmed but that’s the talk. If so, same as Ngakoue.</p>— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1302379461866917889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


I was hoping for the Saints but I’m not really worried about the Tits.

[KChiefs1]

Uh oh...

Chiefs vs Titans in AFC championship game?


A repeat from last season? I’ll take it.

[Kiimo]

NOT SO FAST



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jadeveon Clowney has not yet made a decision on his next team, per <a href="https://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JosinaAnderson</a> <a href="https://t.co/VkEceJNAhV">pic.twitter.com/VkEceJNAhV</a></p>&mdash; PFF (@PFF) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1302388978000318464?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[PattyFlakes]

Dude is so overhyped. I’m sure he’ll get hurt, miss time and get somewhere between 5-9 sacks. Which is fine, but he’s never shown to be an elite pass rusher in the league.

[Kiimo]

You don't really judge Clowney on total sacks, he gets a LOT of pressure and 12m for a season is not overpaying. He's not Bosa or anything but he's good

[PattyFlakes]

You don't really judge Clowney on total sacks, he gets a LOT of pressure and 12m for a season is not overpaying. He's not Bosa or anything but he's good

I don’t think he’s bad, just over hyped and oft injured. A one year deal for that kind of money is probably about what he’s worth. So I don’t think it’s a terrible signing at all for whomever ends up getting him at that price.

[Chiefshrink]

Highly unlikely Tannehill has another year like last year but I guess we'll see.

Well if they can run the ball like they did last year, Tannehill doesn't need to be a baller in every game except in very close games. And his confidence factor I'm sure is a lot higher this year which makes a huge difference. ;)

[Chiefshrink]

Dude is so overhyped. I’m sure he’ll get hurt, miss time and get somewhere between 5-9 sacks. Which is fine, but he’s never shown to be an elite pass rusher in the league.

Yep, the dude is soft. He is not a hard nosed player and that would scare me as a GM and head coach.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Josina is wrong once again. Her race baiting self is not having a good week

[htismaqe]

Titans will be good, it's stupid to assume otherwise

I'm sure they'll be good. AFC Championship good? Doubt it. The stars aligned for them last year.

[Deberg_1990]

Titans remind me of a 1990s Chiefs team.

[htismaqe]

You don't really judge Clowney on total sacks, he gets a LOT of pressure and 12m for a season is not overpaying. He's not Bosa or anything but he's good

I read the other day that Clowney is actually the 2nd best "pressurer" in the league.

People look at his sack stats and are underwhelmed but apparently when you look at all of the advanced metrics, he's one of the most disruptive players in the league.

[Kiimo]

I'm sure they'll be good. AFC Championship good? Doubt it. The stars aligned for them last year.



Right but Tannehill played really well and if that's not an anomaly as in they found a system that plays to his strengths and with AJ Brown coming along that could be even better.


Also draft Jonnu Smith, there's my TE sleeper right there.

[htismaqe]

Right but Tannehill played really well and if that's not an anomaly as in they found a system that plays to his strengths and with AJ Brown coming along that could be even better.


Also draft Jonnu Smith, there's my TE sleeper right there.

I'm just not convinced that Henry can be as dominant as he was down the stretch last year and if he's not, that puts more pressure on Tannehill. The guy had an unreal year in terms of protecting the ball. A couple more turnovers here or there and they might not even make the playoffs the way they play.

[htismaqe]

And yes, with Walker retiring, Smith is set for a big year.

[Kiimo]

OH they can't beat US. But I like them more than some teams people love to pump up like Pittsburgh or Indy

[htismaqe]

OH they can't beat US. But I like them more than some teams people love to pump up like Pittsburgh or Indy

I think Pittsburgh has a better chance of improving than Tennessee does of repeating what they did last year.

Don't get me wrong, nobody in the AFC is "scary" but Tennessee in many ways caught lightning in a bottle last year. I really don't see what people see in the Colts either. They're built to play Martyball with a QB that doesn't know how to protect the football.

Everybody expects Baltimore to be the main contender but I just don't see it. Then had the 2nd best continuity rating in the league last year (meaning they had the 2nd fewest plays lost to injury), they've had turnover on defense and Lamar Jackson is, well, Lamar Jackson.

The AFC is prime for some change and I just think that team is Pittsburgh this year.

[kccrow]

Pittsburgh with Big Ben is a handful so I never write them off when he's healthy. With him looking, possibly, at his last season you know he's going to ball out.

I don't think the Titans have a sustainable format there. Without Henry being insane, they don't sniff the playoffs. It's rare a RB puts up back-to-back years like he just had.

I think Indy is a team to look out for. Rivers might shit the bed often enough, but he's far more than good enough to make that team contend for a playoff spot and way better of a QB than Brisett. That's a team that beat us with as shitty a performance from a QB as you can have. They added Jonathan Taylor to committee with Mack and Michael Pittman at WR, so they have some talent on offense now. Adding Buckner to that pass rush was huge. They were already a good team against the run, but relatively poor against the pass. If adding Xavier Rhodes and TJ Carrie to go with Buckner turns that pass defense around, I'd say look out. They were 7-9 and Tennessee was 9-7. Not hard to fathom that switching around. And who's to say the Texans are going to stay atop that division? Watson is a good QB and that defense has some solid pieces, but they aren't that good. Giving away their top WR could prove a really bad move.

[Sassy Squatch]

This is actually pretty neat. Saints were trying to pull a sign and trade.

According to sources informed of the talks, the Saints didn’t feel they could compete financially with the Titans’ offer – $12 million, plus $3 million in incentives – given budgetary reasons. So, they approached another team to find a workaround. (Sources didn’t confirm the other team, which hereafter is referred to as “Team X”, but it is believed to be the Cleveland Browns, who have ample cap space and a front office known for having a propensity for creativity, most memorably on display in their 2016 trade for quarterback Brock Osweiler.)

The sides discussed parameters of a deal in which Team X would’ve signed Clowney to a one-year, $15 million contract and paid him a $5 million signing bonus. Then, Team X would’ve immediately traded Clowney to the Saints, who would’ve sent Team X a second-round draft pick, as well as a player to take additional salary off New Orleans’ books. The Saints would’ve paid Clowney’s remaining $10 million salary.

[Valiant]

This is actually pretty neat. Saints were trying to pull a sign and trade.

According to sources informed of the talks, the Saints didn’t feel they could compete financially with the Titans’ offer – $12 million, plus $3 million in incentives – given budgetary reasons. So, they approached another team to find a workaround. (Sources didn’t confirm the other team, which hereafter is referred to as “Team X”, but it is believed to be the Cleveland Browns, who have ample cap space and a front office known for having a propensity for creativity, most memorably on display in their 2016 trade for quarterback Brock Osweiler.)

The sides discussed parameters of a deal in which Team X would’ve signed Clowney to a one-year, $15 million contract and paid him a $5 million signing bonus. Then, Team X would’ve immediately traded Clowney to the Saints, who would’ve sent Team X a second-round draft pick, as well as a player to take additional salary off New Orleans’ books. The Saints would’ve paid Clowney’s remaining $10 million salary.

The nfl allowing this would of opened up some power for nfl teams on free agents. Sad it was nixed.

[Baby Lee]

I think Pittsburgh has a better chance of improving than Tennessee does of repeating what they did last year.

Don't get me wrong, nobody in the AFC is "scary" but Tennessee in many ways caught lightning in a bottle last year. I really don't see what people see in the Colts either. They're built to play Martyball with a QB that doesn't know how to protect the football.

Everybody expects Baltimore to be the main contender but I just don't see it. Then had the 2nd best continuity rating in the league last year (meaning they had the 2nd fewest plays lost to injury), they've had turnover on defense and Lamar Jackson is, well, Lamar Jackson.

The AFC is prime for some change and I just think that team is Pittsburgh this year.

Urinating Tree summed up the Thumbtacks succinctly, . . . jobbers to the stars.