Live sim of 85 Bears vs 2019 Chiefs

[Hammock Parties]

This is fun! Mecole ran back the opening kickoff, Payton just scored from midfield.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">’85 <a href="https://twitter.com/ChicagoBears?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ChicagoBears</a> vs. ’19 <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> Super Bowl Simulation is LIVE! <br><br>Kick Off starts at 1:00PM ET | 12:00PM CT <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DaBears?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DaBears</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a><a href="https://twitter.com/670TheScore?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@670TheScore</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/610SportsKC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@610SportsKC</a> <a href="https://t.co/a3nJvUAtGI">https://t.co/a3nJvUAtGI</a></p>&mdash; RADIO.COM Sports (@RDCSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/RDCSports/status/1261700437675085829?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Hammock Parties]

Mecole housing it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">1Q – 15:00 <br><br>TOUCHDOWN! <a href="https://twitter.com/MecoleHardman4?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MecoleHardman4</a> takes the opening kickoff to the house! Extra point is good. <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> 7<a href="https://twitter.com/ChicagoBears?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ChicagoBears</a> 0 <a href="https://t.co/bz5xnLvnLD">pic.twitter.com/bz5xnLvnLD</a></p>&mdash; RADIO.COM Sports (@RDCSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/RDCSports/status/1261703862119018502?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Hammock Parties]

Chiefs 3 and out on their first possession. Mahomes checking it down twice, not good.

[Hammock Parties]

Payton is shredding the Chiefs. Three carries for 68 yards.

[Easy 6]

This sounds cool...

[Hammock Parties]

Chiefs got a stop. Willie Gault with a big drop. Dirty Dan laid a lick.

[Kman34]

Payton is shredding the Chiefs. Three carries for 68 yards.

OMG.. My two favorite players ever... Payton and Mahomes... Can this end in a tie please..

[Hammock Parties]

Mahomes looks like shit so far. Another punt.

[Hammock Parties]

Bears with another drop on third down.

Big change in field position coming.

[Hammock Parties]

Or not - 60 yard yard punt and no return.

Come on Patrick

[Hammock Parties]

Jesus. Mahomes had a guy for a 1st and threw him out of bounds.

This is not good so far.

[POND_OF_RED]

Ok. The 3rd down magic of Mahomes obviously can’t be translated into a simulation setting

[Hammock Parties]

Ok. The 3rd down magic of Mahomes obviously can’t be translated into a simulation setting

It's 7-7. Stop bitching you fucking pussy.

[Hammock Parties]

McMahon picked in the end zone! Honey badger!

[Easy 6]

Bears moving at will, but here come the Landlord for a pick!

[Hammock Parties]

Mahomes lets one rip for 30! Play action to Tyreek.

[Hammock Parties]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2Q – 14:57 <br><br>INTERCEPTION! <br><br>The Honey Badger, <a href="https://twitter.com/Mathieu_Era?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Mathieu_Era</a>, picks off Jim McMahon in the end zone. <a href="https://t.co/lOL9I9CiyM">pic.twitter.com/lOL9I9CiyM</a></p>&mdash; RADIO.COM Sports (@RDCSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/RDCSports/status/1261710161367969792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[POND_OF_RED]

It's 7-7. Stop bitching you ****ing pussy.

Simply making a statement on one play that had a wide open receiver by the chains and he threw to him out of bounds. Calm down. The beef shortage is really messing with your emotions. Hope you can get your holes filled soon

[Hammock Parties]

Fucking Watkins dropped a pass in the red zone. Punting again. Fuck!!!

[POND_OF_RED]

Now Sammy drops a wide open TD. This is pissing me off just like a real game. Haha

[dj56dt58]

Ok. The 3rd down magic of Mahomes obviously can’t be translated into a simulation setting

Your choice to be a fan

[dj56dt58]

Colquit is the mvp again

[Hammock Parties]

CLARK THE SHARK

McMahon goes down on third down at the 2 - field position flips big now.

[Easy 6]

Watkins you space cadet dumbass!!!

[Hammock Parties]

Fuck. A goddamn 80 yard punt!?!?

[Hammock Parties]

Mahomes has the X-Factor lit up now. Look out.

[Rausch]

If this were somehow possible I think the Chiefs O line vs. the Bears front means Pat gets murdered.

This years 49'ers don't compare to the Bears. Also consider our weakness vs the run trying to stop Sweetness.

Nein, we'd get murdered...

[Hammock Parties]

1st down at the 35. Offense looking good now.

[Easy 6]

Just stop running against this front, it ain’t hattnin

[Easy 6]

Mahomes checking down worse than Smith LMAO

[Hammock Parties]

Drive stalled at the 34. Chiefs get 3 though.

10-7 Chiefs!

[Pablo]

This is life in 2020. Watching a Madden sim and a Cornhole Championship at the same time.

[Hammock Parties]

Bears punting again. Chiefs defense stuffed Payton twice there.

We are in control, baby!

[Pablo]

3 straight run plays. LOL, least realistic Chiefs sim I've ever seen.

[Easy 6]

3 straight runs, fuck outta here with this game

[Discuss Thrower]

Alllll the time in the world.

Frank Clark sucks.

[Hammock Parties]

This is like watching a Herm-era game.

10-10 at halftime.

[Hammock Parties]

Chiefs have to stop pounding Damien into a brick wall and let Mahomes take over. Bears aren't getting a rush on Mahomes.

[Easy 6]

McMahon juking guys outta their jocks, this is laughable

[Hammock Parties]

BIG sack by Khalen Saunders. Bears get a FG. 13-10.

[Hammock Parties]

OH SHIT HE MISSED IT

Bears are just blowing it.

[mililo4cpa]

Chiefs need to get an OC who knows how to pass the ball....

[Discuss Thrower]

Bullshit. That screen was money.

[Hammock Parties]

Fuck. Bears are just dominant on D. Another punt.

Mahomes is only 13/17 for 76 yards.

[Discuss Thrower]

Gonna need a Honeybadger Pick 6

[mililo4cpa]

Bullshit. That screen was money.


fridge = Aaron Donald!

[mililo4cpa]

NNADI!

[Discuss Thrower]

Nnadi is ded

[mililo4cpa]

JONES!!!!

[Hammock Parties]

5 sacks on McMahon.

Mahomes will get his chance to go win this. Chris Jones might win MVP.

[Discuss Thrower]

Swallowed the whistle with that absolute raping by the Chiefs' DBs

[mililo4cpa]

and another run lol....

[Discuss Thrower]

1.1 yards per fucking carry.

[Hammock Parties]

Fucking playcalling sucks.

[Discuss Thrower]

True to form, Kelce gives up an extra yard trying to juke a dude after the catch.

[Hammock Parties]

A GODDAMN FALSE START

KELCE

[Discuss Thrower]

S A M M Y

[Hammock Parties]

LASER to Watkins

FIRST DOWN

[Discuss Thrower]

DWill just doubled his yardage on one run LMAO

[mililo4cpa]

finally break a run!

[Hammock Parties]

Run popped for 10.

If the Chiefs get 7 it's over.

[Hammock Parties]

GOD DAMMIT MAHOMES

FUCKING PICKED

[Discuss Thrower]

e-Mahomes must have gotten LIT as fuck last night. He's playing like ass.

[mililo4cpa]

OK....Mahomes pick

Time to go day-drink.....go Virtual Chiefs!

[Easy 6]

This game sucks ass

[Hammock Parties]

Chris Jones still has his X lit up.

The Bears aren't going to do shit.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Lol this is hilarious that we're watching this

[Hammock Parties]

McMahon stopped JUST short.

Mahomes time.

[Discuss Thrower]

McMahon looking like a gazelle out there.

[L.A. Chieffan]

I was just screaming HOLDING at my phone screen right now. I need help

[Hammock Parties]

O god downed at the 1.

No safeties please.

[Discuss Thrower]

What. A. Punt.

[POND_OF_RED]

99 yards...let’s go!!!

[Discuss Thrower]

punt alert

[Hammock Parties]

Really bad series.

Bears might get points now.

[Pablo]

R2P2 offense really fucking sucks.

[Discuss Thrower]

You just know e-Joe Buck would be salivating about the greatness of Walter if he busts one.

[mlyonsd]

When did Herm start calling plays again?

[Pablo]

When did Herm start calling plays again?

Andy's doing the classic turtle in a big game!!

[Hammock Parties]

Payton getting yards now.

Need to hold to 3.

[Pablo]

They should just run the ball every down. Payton's at 11ypc.

[Hammock Parties]

TD Bears.

Nice throw by the punky QB

[New World Order]

He had all day to throw

[Discuss Thrower]

Gawd. I guess e-Mahomes shagged Andy's daughter or something. This playcalling makes no sense.

[Hammock Parties]

LMAO

FUCK YEAH DOD

[Discuss Thrower]

OH SHIT

[Pablo]

WTF I get up to let the dog in and DOD ties it up????

[L.A. Chieffan]

TF? Nagy is coaching the bears? Not Ditka?

[Easy 6]

Now stop letting our O get shut down, that shit ain’t realistic

[Hammock Parties]

McMahon blowing this.

Mahomes chance to win right here.

[Hammock Parties]

1ST DOWN AT THE 35

Matriculate that ball Mahomie

[Discuss Thrower]

e-Mahomes has been Casselian so far.

ICK.

[Hammock Parties]

THE PITCH LMAO

[New World Order]

LMAO why did Damien run into the defender there on that toss.

That would have been a td

[Hammock Parties]

Oh god Andy, STOP FEEDING DAMIEN

[Hammock Parties]

FIRST DOWN AT THE 40

YOU GOT THIS CHIEFS

[New World Order]

About to be in fg range.

Milk the clock

[Discuss Thrower]

Jesus.

[Hammock Parties]

We are going to OT unless something amazing happens.

[Discuss Thrower]

I'm going to throw my controller out of general principle.

[Hammock Parties]

TYREEK!!!!!!!

That qualifies as amazing in this game.

[Discuss Thrower]

CHEETAH

[New World Order]

Game

[Discuss Thrower]

Can't settle for a FG here.

[Discuss Thrower]

Diktnagy isn't calling a T/O LMAO

[Hammock Parties]

Run that ball Andy LMAO

[Hammock Parties]

oh god a fucking read option? WHY

[New World Order]

Bears should just let them score

[scho63]

They would never do that!

[Hammock Parties]

20-17 CHIEFS

Chris Jones is going to win this game now. Watch.

[Discuss Thrower]

37 seconds of butthole puckering

[Hammock Parties]

DOD won this game. If he doesn't get MVP it's a sham.

[New World Order]

Holy shit that return guy is fast

[New World Order]

ROFL whats with them letting the clock run

[Discuss Thrower]

Stole a victory from the jaws of defeat.

[Hammock Parties]

LMAO Bears receiver could have gotten out of bounds

CHEIFS WIN

[carlos3652]

Clock management was terrible on both sides in the last 2 min of the game...

[L.A. Chieffan]

When's the parade!

[CasselGotPeedOn]

That was the worst thing ever

[Hammock Parties]

Chris Jones for MVP! LMAO

[scho63]

So are we back to back SB winners already?

That season flew by! ROFL

[Pablo]

We ran the ball like 28 times for 50 yards and Mahomes threw for like 140 yards with 1 INT. Gross.

[Hammock Parties]

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
DIIIID IIIIIIIIIIITTTTTT!!!!!

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[Coogs]

Special Teams with all 20 points for the W!

[Tribal Warfare]

Dynasty, and I ain't talking about the soap opera :D

[Easy 6]

Now give us the 00 Ravens so we can whip their ass too!

That got the juices flowing, I’m playing some Madden later

[Deberg_1990]

Did the Fridge score any TDs?

[BigRedChief]

We ran the ball like 28 times for 50 yards and Mahomes threw for like 140 yards with 1 INT. Gross.

We got down there to get the winning score and ran the ball 6/7 times? Give me a break. Just take the ball out of Mahones hands? LMAO

[Trivers]

I turned it off several times; only to get sucked back into it as it is some kind of football.

Poor play calling by the whoever was calling for the chiefs; no sweeps or jet sweeps; or screens that andy would call against the Buddy defense.

[Monticore]

I may go troll the bears forums .

[Sassy Squatch]

Madden AI is embarrassing.

[Coogs]

We got down there to get the winning score and ran the ball 6/7 times? Give me a break. Just take the ball out of Mahones hands? LMAO

:shrug:

About the only time in the game where I thought running was a decent idea. Forced the Bears to use their time outs, and left a chip shot FG for the lead with 30 seconds to go.

[Easy 6]

Holy shit that return guy is fast

Had to step away for a sec on this return but it had to have been Willie Gault, a former Olympic sprinter

[big nasty kcnut]

Chiefs win again film at 11!

[displacedinMN]

That Bears D was crazy good. No wonder it was a low scoring game.

[Easy 6]

That Bears D was crazy good. No wonder it was a low scoring game.

One thing I was wondering about, is how the AI adjusted for the fact that great as those Bears were... they were almost all undersized compared to today’s guys, sans Fridge of course

[Hammock Parties]

One thing I was wondering about, is how the AI adjusted for the fact that great as those Bears were... they were almost all undersized compared to today’s guys, sans Fridge of course

Madden AI isn't at that level yet.

It does take weight into account on player collisions, i.e. tackles/hits.

[carcosa]

Just got pissed reading this thread!!!! Glad we won though!!!!

[Easy 6]

Madden AI isn't at that level yet.

It does take weight into account on player collisions, i.e. tackles/hits.

Don’t recall if it was an instructional graphic on the game or something I’d seen online while investigating why I was sucking so hard there for a while... but it was something to the effect that if there are two teams miles apart in talent, it’ll somehow adjust to even things out a little bit

Which explains why I’ve been able to take the Jets and Dolphins into Foxboro and win, even when I’ve gutted talent from the team I’m using because I want the rosters to be true to life as possible

Like when the fins ditched Minkah, Drake and all those other guys, I ditched them too... which took them down to like a 77 team rating iirc, lol

But I still pulled it off somehow

[Hammock Parties]

Don’t recall if it was an instructional graphic on the game or something I’d seen online while investigating why I was sucking so hard there for a while... but it was something to the effect that if there are two teams miles apart in talent, it’ll somehow adjust to even things out a little bit

There is a flip you can switch to turn this on and off.

[duncan_idaho]

That’s one of those matchups you’d love to actually see live.

The 85 Bears D was great against the offenses of that era... how would it fare against a wide open spread attack that throws the ball 65 percent of the time?

The LB were the best part of that D, and you’re taking one off the field basically 2/3 of the time.

If they stuck to the 46, it would be interesting to see how they handled the Chiefs’ passing attack.

[Rain Man]

How would we have done if we had a mini-Mahomes at quarterback. You know, maybe like 12 inches tall?

[notorious]

Only players. Reid would coach a ring around Ditka .

[BryanBusby]

That’s one of those matchups you’d love to actually see live.

The 85 Bears D was great against the offenses of that era... how would it fare against a wide open spread attack that throws the ball 65 percent of the time?

The LB were the best part of that D, and you’re taking one off the field basically 2/3 of the time.

If they stuck to the 46, it would be interesting to see how they handled the Chiefs’ passing attack.
The Chiefs would shred that legendary Defense. No way could they handle the speed.

[Ubeja Vontell]

The fast guys like Willie Gault who was actually faster than Hill would still be fast today but that's it. The linemen too small, the defenders too small, too slow. No different than those 85 Bears vs those Lombardi 60's Packers, too big, too fast.


2019 Chiefs 42 85 Bears 17

[UK_Chief]

At least Andy has lost weight in the offseason

[Ubeja Vontell]

In 1985 Jim McMahan

comp% 56.9
yards 2392
TD/INT....15/11
passer rating.....87.4

That is weak.

[Spott]

In 1985 Jim McMahan

comp% 56.9
yards 2392
TD/INT....15/11
passer rating.....87.4

That is weak.

His 40 time was terrible, too.

[Ubeja Vontell]

His 40 time was terrible, too.

You have no clue what is 40 time was do you?

Come on guy.

[Kman34]

In 1985 Jim McMahan

comp% 56.9
yards 2392
TD/INT....15/11
passer rating.....87.4

That is weak.

Walter Payton and the 46 defense..

[Basileus777]

That’s one of those matchups you’d love to actually see live.

The 85 Bears D was great against the offenses of that era... how would it fare against a wide open spread attack that throws the ball 65 percent of the time?

The LB were the best part of that D, and you’re taking one off the field basically 2/3 of the time.

If they stuck to the 46, it would be interesting to see how they handled the Chiefs’ passing attack.
That Bears team is not equipped to deal with modern passing concepts. The game is just too different. Andy would be scheming receivers wide open all game long.

[PAChiefsGuy]

In 1985 Jim McMahan

comp% 56.9
yards 2392
TD/INT....15/11
passer rating.....87.4

That is weak.

Different era.. You can't compare stats from that era to this... It was much more physical back then.

That Bears team is not equipped to deal with modern passing concepts. The game is just too different. Andy would be scheming receivers wide open all game long.

That's true but let's not forget back then CBs and Safeties could get away w a lot more than they can now.

[Spott]

It’s kind of hard to compare eras, but that 85 Bears defense was great during the regular season and took it to a whole new level in the playoffs that season. It definitely would have been an interesting matchup.

[lcarus]

The ratings for our o-linemen are bullshit in that game. And Tyreek Hill not getting any "x-factor" abilities is horse shit as well. Also Ward and Breeland got pretty screwed with their rating. Kendall Fuller is the best CB on our roster by a lot the last time I played.

[Buehler445]

That Bears team is not equipped to deal with modern passing concepts. The game is just too different. Andy would be scheming receivers wide open all game long.

No one in 1985 could run with Hill. Fuck, Id have to look but Hill might be Olympian speed. If they rough him up more at the line then they couldn’t stop a jet sweep. If Hill is healthy It’s over.

[Ubeja Vontell]

Different era.. You can't compare stats from that era to this... It was much more physical back then.



That's true but let's not forget back then CBs and Safeties could get away w a lot more than they can now.

Compare what others QB;s in that era where doing and you'll see, yep....weak.

[Chiefshrink]

... how would it fare against a wide open spread attack that throws the ball 65 percent of the time?


The Dolphins beat them that year with a great QB in Marino that passed more than they ran with a wide open attack that I feel that the 2019 LIV SB Chiefs are even a better offense than Marino's offense was at that time. So I think it is very fair to say that the Bears D would definitely have their hands even more full than they did with the Dolphins IF they actually played today's Chiefs.;)

[Ubeja Vontell]

It’s kind of hard to compare eras, but that 85 Bears defense was great during the regular season and took it to a whole new level in the playoffs that season. It definitely would have been an interesting matchup.

Not really, all these teams today are too big, too fast for anything in the 80's.

[Ubeja Vontell]

No one in 1985 could run with Hill. ****, Id have to look but Hill might be Olympian speed. If they rough him up more at the line then they couldn’t stop a jet sweep. If Hill is healthy It’s over.

Darrell Green 10.08 100m. Tyreek Hill 10.19.

Hill had Olympic caliber speed at 200m.

[Deberg_1990]

I think I’d like to see 19 Chiefs against other historic offenses as well.

99 Rams
89 Niners
94 Niners
91 Redskins

Etc......

[PAChiefsGuy]

Not really, all these teams today are too big, too fast for anything in the 80's.

Which is why you can't compare eras because if those players who played back then played today they'd be bigger and faster themselves. In 40 years, this Chiefs team will probably get smashed by whoever wins the SB at that time.

The 85 Bears were amazing and dominated in their time. We love our Chiefs but no need to disrespect the Bears by acting like this softass generation of football is better. At least back then you could actually hit the QB and play defense.

[Ubeja Vontell]

Which is why you can't compare eras because if those players who played back then played today they'd be bigger and faster themselves. In 40 years, this Chiefs team will probably get smashed by whoever wins the SB at that time.

The 85 Bears were amazing and dominated in their time. We love our Chiefs but no need to disrespect the Bears by acting like this softass generation of football is better. At least back then you could actually hit the QB and play defense.

Bob Hayes ran a 10.06 100m on a dirt track over 50 years ago, he would be the fastest player today and always has been.

Jim Brown 6-2 230 which is big today, he could play.

Gale Sayers could play.

But, not too many others due to lack of size, speed.

Bears Wilie Gault ran a 10.10 100m, Hill...10.19.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Bob Hayes ran a 10.06 100m on a dirt track over 50 years ago, he would be the fastest player today and always has been.

Jim Brown 6-2 230 which is big today, he could play.

Gale Sayers could play.

But, not too many others due to lack of size, speed.

Bears Wilie Gault ran a 10.10 100m, Hill...10.19.

True

[Hammock Parties]

In 40 years, this Chiefs team will probably get smashed by whoever wins the SB at that time.


I don't know if players can really get bigger and faster at this point.

The human body isn't designed to get that explosive.

If players are going to KEEP getting bigger and faster we're going to start seeing guys tendons just exploding on the field due to the laws of physics.

[ChiefsFanatic]

Bob Hayes ran a 10.06 100m on a dirt track over 50 years ago, he would be the fastest player today and always has been.

Jim Brown 6-2 230 which is big today, he could play.

Gale Sayers could play.

But, not too many others due to lack of size, speed.

Bears Wilie Gault ran a 10.10 100m, Hill...10.19.Gault's track time may have been faster, but I contend that on the football field, with pads and football cleats, Hill is faster.

To me there has only been 1 offensive player, and 2 defenders whose speed on the football field met the Tyreek Hill eye test, and Willie Gault isn't one of them.

Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders, and Darrell Green are the only players that I have ever seen that clearly look like the fastest in any given football game.

Gault was a long strider and had a great kick at the end of the race, on a track, with track cleats, but on the football field Tyreek Hill can hit his top speed in significantly less time than Gault.

I think Hill has the fastest acceleration ever seen in the NFL. Bo, Prime Time, and Green were all very fast, obviously, but none of them ever trained for speed the way Hill does. Even Gault as a sprinter didn't train the way Hill does. And earlier someone said Gault was an Olympic sprinter, but he never competed in the Olympics as a sprinter, because of the boycott. He did make it as a member of the USA bobsled team.

Bo is the closest to Hill for initial acceleration, but Hill is just on another level. Tyreek Hill reportedly ran a 4.22 or 4.23 in workouts before the draft. Mecole Hardman reportedly ran a 4.24 at the Georgia pro day, but when you watch Hill and Hardman make big plays, it takes Hardman about 5-6 strides to hit top speed, and it takes Hill about 4 strides.

So, you can reference all the track stats you want to, but on a football field I will take Hill over Gault all day every day. I will say that I am not old enough to compare Hill to Bob Hayes on the football field, so I have no reference to compare them.

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[ThaVirus]

I don't know if players can really get bigger and faster at this point.

The human body isn't designed to get that explosive.

If players are going to KEEP getting bigger and faster we're going to start seeing guys tendons just exploding on the field due to the laws of physics.

There's no way to know for sure, but I'd highly doubt we've reached the peak.

[Easy 6]

Replayed Chiefs @ Lions last night except I was Detroit, just wanted to see what it’s like playing against e-Mahomes

Our D was super easy to run against, and passing was almost that good... but there was no keeping up with the scorching pace Mahomes set, it was one huge play after another

When 15 gets the X factor lit up, just go ahead and turn it off... final score 24-34 KC

Didn’t realize it until last night, but Madden is WAY down on Stafford, dudes a 79 LMAO

[Tribal Warfare]

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[bowener]

Bob Hayes ran a 10.06 100m on a dirt track over 50 years ago, he would be the fastest player today and always has been.

Jim Brown 6-2 230 which is big today, he could play.

Gale Sayers could play.

But, not too many others due to lack of size, speed.

Bears Wilie Gault ran a 10.10 100m, Hill...10.19.

I think 50 years ago the times should probably be considered inaccurate. Hill ran a 10.19 laser timed while Hayes ran hand-timed. Apparently we need to add .22-.24 seconds to all hand-timed numbers.

That is based on this site (https://www.naseinc.com/blog/hand-timed-vs-electronic-timed-40-yard-dash/) and this site (https://speedendurance.com/2014/08/20/why-0-24-seconds-is-added-to-hand-times/), which I googled and did no further research. Hayes probably did actually run somewhere in the 10.2s and Tyreek would have beat everybody.

Unrelated to that, but Jim Brown would be an absolute beast today. He'd be a more violent Marshawn Lynch and it would be so fun to watch. Sayers would be amazing to watch in Andy Reid's offense if he gave him at least 15 runs a game and 10 targets in the passing game.

[Buehler445]

Gault's track time may have been faster, but I contend that on the football field, with pads and football cleats, Hill is faster.

To me there has only been 1 offensive player, and 2 defenders whose speed on the football field met the Tyreek Hill eye test, and Willie Gault isn't one of them.

Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders, and Darrell Green are the only players that I have ever seen that clearly look like the fastest in any given football game.

Gault was a long strider and had a great kick at the end of the race, on a track, with track cleats, but on the football field Tyreek Hill can hit his top speed in significantly less time than Gault.

I think Hill has the fastest acceleration ever seen in the NFL. Bo, Prime Time, and Green were all very fast, obviously, but none of them ever trained for speed the way Hill does. Even Gault as a sprinter didn't train the way Hill does. And earlier someone said Gault was an Olympic sprinter, but he never competed in the Olympics as a sprinter, because of the boycott. He did make it as a member of the USA bobsled team.

Bo is the closest to Hill for initial acceleration, but Hill is just on another level. Tyreek Hill reportedly ran a 4.22 or 4.23 in workouts before the draft. Mecole Hardman reportedly ran a 4.24 at the Georgia pro day, but when you watch Hill and Hardman make big plays, it takes Hardman about 5-6 strides to hit top speed, and it takes Hill about 4 strides.

So, you can reference all the track stats you want to, but on a football field I will take Hill over Gault all day every day. I will say that I am not old enough to compare Hill to Bob Hayes on the football field, so I have no reference to compare them.

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Add in change of direction and I don’t think anyone can hang with Hill.

Hill makes dudes that play in space look like fools. I can’t imagine trying to defend him when you’re not used to playing in space

[PAChiefsGuy]

Add in change of direction and I don’t think anyone can hang with Hill.

Hill makes dudes that play in space look like fools. I can’t imagine trying to defend him when you’re not used to playing in space

That's true but I wonder how much Hill would get injured if he played in 85 w their rules. Hill is tough but man WRswould get killed when they went over the middle in the 90s I can only imagine how 80s were. Plus, CBs could more back then.

Would be interesting that's for sure. Brings up another question if 85 Bears played current Chiefs what rules would they play under? Today's rules or back then?

[dj56dt58]

I think I’d like to see 19 Chiefs against other historic offenses as well.

99 Rams No Mahomes
89 Niners No Mahomes
94 Niners No Mahomes
91 Redskins No Mahomes

Etc......

Chiefs go 4-0

[Ubeja Vontell]

I think 50 years ago the times should probably be considered inaccurate. Hill ran a 10.19 laser timed while Hayes ran hand-timed. Apparently we need to add .22-.24 seconds to all hand-timed numbers.

That is based on this site (https://www.naseinc.com/blog/hand-timed-vs-electronic-timed-40-yard-dash/) and this site (https://speedendurance.com/2014/08/20/why-0-24-seconds-is-added-to-hand-times/), which I googled and did no further research. Hayes probably did actually run somewhere in the 10.2s and Tyreek would have beat everybody.

Unrelated to that, but Jim Brown would be an absolute beast today. He'd be a more violent Marshawn Lynch and it would be so fun to watch. Sayers would be amazing to watch in Andy Reid's offense if he gave him at least 15 runs a game and 10 targets in the passing game.

That 10.06 was electro timing, not hand timed. A hand time would read 10.0.


(• - Record was ratified)
• 10.0* Horacio Esteves VEN Caracas Aug 15, 1964
• 10.0* Robert Hayes USA Tokyo Oct 15, 1964
Electronic Timing
10.06 Robert Hayes USA Tokyo Oct 15, 1964
American Records
(• - Record was ratified)
• 10.1* Robert Hayes USA Hasselholm Aug 17, 1962

Hayes ran a 9.1 for yards a half dozen times and it was all done on tracks far FAR inferior to what Hill ran on.

Put Hayes on these track today, just as he was in 1964 and he;s running 9.95 simply because of track surface. I have ran on dirt and a mondo track HUGE difference.

Yes Brown would be a beast today just not a five yards a carry one. Sayers would dazzle us as usual.

[Ubeja Vontell]

Gault's track time may have been faster, but I contend that on the football field, with pads and football cleats, Hill is faster.

To me there has only been 1 offensive player, and 2 defenders whose speed on the football field met the Tyreek Hill eye test, and Willie Gault isn't one of them.

Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders, and Darrell Green are the only players that I have ever seen that clearly look like the fastest in any given football game.

Gault was a long strider and had a great kick at the end of the race, on a track, with track cleats, but on the football field Tyreek Hill can hit his top speed in significantly less time than Gault.

I think Hill has the fastest acceleration ever seen in the NFL. Bo, Prime Time, and Green were all very fast, obviously, but none of them ever trained for speed the way Hill does. Even Gault as a sprinter didn't train the way Hill does. And earlier someone said Gault was an Olympic sprinter, but he never competed in the Olympics as a sprinter, because of the boycott. He did make it as a member of the USA bobsled team.

Bo is the closest to Hill for initial acceleration, but Hill is just on another level. Tyreek Hill reportedly ran a 4.22 or 4.23 in workouts before the draft. Mecole Hardman reportedly ran a 4.24 at the Georgia pro day, but when you watch Hill and Hardman make big plays, it takes Hardman about 5-6 strides to hit top speed, and it takes Hill about 4 strides.

So, you can reference all the track stats you want to, but on a football field I will take Hill over Gault all day every day. I will say that I am not old enough to compare Hill to Bob Hayes on the football field, so I have no reference to compare them.

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I talked about Hill being the fastest "football player" we have seen. I have never seen anyone as fast in football situations as Tyreek Hill, so I totally agree.

And it;s very realistic to give Hill at least a 10.05ish base on his 10.19 HS time. That 20.14 200m tells us that.

Those at sub 10.10

Bob Hayes
Alvis Whitted
Trindon Holliday
Jaoby Ford
Darrel Green
Ron Brown
Sam Graddy

9.1/9.2 old yards

Bob Hayes
Willie McGee
Mel Gray
Curtis Dickey
Frank Budd
Cliff Branch

Hill belonging in with that gang above.

[Ubeja Vontell]

Tyreek Hills HS 20.14 200m is fastest 200m ever ran by a legit NFL player.

Tommie Smith did run a 19.87 at the 68 Olympics and he did catch ...one....pass in a Bengals game, so....failed experiment was Tommie Smith

New York Giants cornerback Henry Carr (drafted to run with Bob Hayes) was the 1964 Olympic 200m champion and ran a WR 20.2 on dirt, so that would be there with a HS 20.14.

Carr beat Hayes a few times at 200m as did his teammate WR Homer Jones who beat Hayes in an NAIA meet.