Starship14 decides winning more important than $$$

[Megatron96]

I hoped he might come to this conclusion right after the SB. Happy to have him for 2020, and hope he finds a way to stick around for a while:
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2020/7/9/21318405/arrowheadlines-sammy-watkins-chose-winning-over-money

[KurtCobain]

Dope article.

[poolboy]

to the ship.......

[Rasputin]

He should take a pay cut with Mecole Hardman taking his job and less playing time.

[HayWire]

I hope he has the attitude after his contract is up

[Rain Man]

Sammy seems like a legitimately nice guy when you see him interviewed. He's a good fit for this team, so I'm glad he stayed. And he's sure a big-game player, which helps since we'll play in a lot of big games going forward.

[PattyFlakes]

You’d be crazy to not want to be a part of this offense with #15 throwing you the football.

[Megatron96]

He should take a pay cut with Mecole Hardman taking his job and less playing time.

Don't see how that's possible since they don't play the same position . . . never mind that Mecole hasn't learned half the playbook yet. Took about three years for Hill and now Watkins to learn the playbook, and both were much further along as WRs than Mecole. Probably be 2022 before Hardman really comes into his own in Andy's offense.

[Rasputin]

Don't see how that's possible since they don't play the same position . . . never mind that Mecole hasn't learned half the playbook yet. Took about three years for Hill and now Watkins to learn the playbook, and both were much further along as WRs than Mecole. Probably be 2022 before Hardman really comes into his own in Andy's offense.

I don't know how much he has learned or not but you don't either and i believe Mecole is going get significant more playing time this year and over Sammie Watkins. Mecole is going come alive in this offense you just watch and don't underestimate him he was taken in the first round. Good kid and he has speed. The only disadvantage Mecole has is this is a fucked up year so they didn't have the OTAs as usual but I know Mecole works out hard with Tyreek and Tyreek has taken him under his wing per say they challenge each other.

[Rasputin]

Don't see how that's possible since they don't play the same position . . . never mind that Mecole hasn't learned half the playbook yet. Took about three years for Hill and now Watkins to learn the playbook, and both were much further along as WRs than Mecole. Probably be 2022 before Hardman really comes into his own in Andy's offense.

I bet Mecole has more catches yards and touchdowns than Sammie Watkins this year.

(if there is a season)

[BigRedChief]

Wasnt he signed up for this year a while back?

[BigRedChief]

Sammy seems like a legitimately nice guy when you see him interviewed. He's a good fit for this team, so I'm glad he stayed. And he's sure a big-game player, which helps since we'll play in a lot of big games going forward.The team stayed at the same hotel as Arrowhead South did in Jacksonville last year. Reports from multiple people in our group that met him in the elevator, hallways, restaurant, lobby etc, said he was as nice as he could be.

Had time for everyone. Spent a lot of time just talking with fans. One time the Chiefs wanted him to get on the bus but he promised a little girl he'd wait to leave until she got back from her room with a camera to take a picture with her new camera she got for the trip.

[TexasChief]

In the grand scheme of things, there really isn’t a big difference between $52 million and $55 million.

There is a gigantic gulf between playing for Mahomes and nearly any other QB on your mental and physical health.

[Chief Roundup]

Starship 14 :facepalm: :shake:

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Man all that money you got to buy new ones plus you not a real rider anyway..!</p>&mdash; King me (@sammywatkins) <a href="https://twitter.com/sammywatkins/status/1281370005159006209?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Rasputin]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Man all that money you got to buy new ones plus you not a real rider anyway..!</p>&mdash; King me (@sammywatkins) <a href="https://twitter.com/sammywatkins/status/1281370005159006209?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I like the part on Twitter Mecole runs 23 mph on a tread mill

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Sammy is such a key part of this offense and was so clutch this past postseason, I'm thrilled they were able to keep him around. The decline we saw in the passing game when he was out was glaring. It wasn't the same at all. Hardman is not ready to fill the void Sammy leaving would create.

This is probably his last year here but he obviously made a very wise choice with the way things have turned out.

[Hammock Parties]

dude has made $40 mil in his NFL career, signed one of the worst contracts in team history, is making $9 mil this year, could hit $16 mil with incentives, and is grandstanding about taking a few bucks less when his last 1,000-yard season was five years ago

they've located his home planet, and it's Virtua Signalis 14

[Rasputin]

Sammy Watkins 2019 52 rec 673 yards and 3 TDs


Mecole Hardman 2019 26 rec 538 yards and 6 TDs



Don't tell me Mecole Hardman can't take over Sammy Watkins job this year.

3 of those touchdowns for SW was in one game then he was virtually shut down.


Mecole ignited our comeback against Houston with his kick return that set up a touchdown and we got that momentum swing and kept our Super Bowl ambitions alive.

Yeah Sammy stepped it up in the playoffs good for him but most of the season meh. We can do better with Mecole Hardman because he works hard man.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Sammy Watkins 2019 52 rec 673 yards and 3 TDs


Mecole Hardman 2019 26 rec 538 yards and 6 TDs



Don't tell me Mecole Hardman can't take over Sammy Watkins job this year.

3 of those touchdowns for SW was in one game then he was virtually shut down.


Mecole ignited our comeback against Houston with his kick return that set up a touchdown and we got that momentum swing and kept our Super Bowl ambitions alive.

Yeah Sammy stepped it up in the playoffs good for him but most of the season meh. We can do better with Mecole Hardman because he works hard man.

Can’t just look at stats, this game is about much more than numbers. The few games that Watkins missed the passing offense was nowhere close to full strength. Mecole Hardman cannot do all the things Sammy Watkins does. He’s not the same kind of player.

I love Hardman and he will be a huge weapon for us going forward, but it’s even better having them both on the field. That’s undeniable. Hardman is not a polished product just yet, Watkins is.

[Rasputin]

Can’t just look at stats, this game is about much more than numbers. The few games that Watkins missed the passing offense was nowhere close to full strength. Mecole Hardman cannot do all the things Sammy Watkins does. He’s not the same kind of player.

I love Hardman and he will be a huge weapon for us going forward, but it’s even better having them both on the field. That’s undeniable. Hardman is not a polished product just yet, Watkins is.



Sammy Watkins is the most over rated player on this roster by Chiefs fans.


Again I'll say Mecole Hardman is going out produce Sammy Watkins on the football field he will have more yards and touchdowns. Sammy is going have to work twice as hard than he normally does to get playing time because the younger guys are hungry to play and Sammy doesn't quite live up to expectations every year.

[Megatron96]

Sammy Watkins 2019 52 rec 673 yards and 3 TDs


Mecole Hardman 2019 26 rec 538 yards and 6 TDs



Don't tell me Mecole Hardman can't take over Sammy Watkins job this year.

3 of those touchdowns for SW was in one game then he was virtually shut down.


Mecole ignited our comeback against Houston with his kick return that set up a touchdown and we got that momentum swing and kept our Super Bowl ambitions alive.

Yeah Sammy stepped it up in the playoffs good for him but most of the season meh. We can do better with Mecole Hardman because he works hard man.

And yet another case of allowing a stat line to skew reality.

Tell me, were you among those that believe that our defense was really the 27th best run defense in the league at season's end? I mean, the season total stat line said that's what the Chiefs run D was, so if you believe that Watkins actual productivity was entirely encompassed by the above stat line, then you must also believe that our run D was really the 7th worst in the NFL right?

Mecole has great potential. But right now, that's most of what he is: potential. Hence, why Hardman only played about 13 snaps a game.

But now he's suddenly going to take 40 snaps plus?

In what is arguably one of the most (if not the most) complex passing offenses in the NFL? Maybe in NFL history?

An offense that no WR in history has absorbed fully in just two seasons, much less a second season without OTAs, with a truncated camp, just two preseason games if we believe Goodell, but somehow a 2nd year WR, with only 3 actual seasons (only one of which was in a pro offense) at the position is going to just miraculously not only memorize the entire Reid playbook, but also be completely comfortable with it with virtually no game reps with 90% of the playbook . . .

Yeah, sounds reasonable. I can think of at least . . . yeah, no WRs ever that pulled something like that off. But maybe Mecole is a receiving idiot savant . . .

And don't kid yourself; Mecole wouldn't have had those numbers if not for Watkins absorbing the best CB and a safety from week 2-6. Mecole was facing a CB3 most of the time. Why do you think he was so wide open most of the time?

[BossChief]

Hill missed all those games and Watkins didn’t do shit.

His only 100 yard game of the regular season was the opener.

His only regular season TD was also in the opener.

Sammy redeemed himself in the playoffs, but still needs to prove he can work hard enough to realize his potential. If that doesn’t happen this year, it never will.

[Rasputin]

And yet another case of allowing a stat line to skew reality.

Tell me, were you among those that believe that our defense was really the 27th best run defense in the league at season's end? I mean, the season total stat line said that's what the Chiefs run D was, so if you believe that Watkins actual productivity was entirely encompassed by the above stat line, then you must also believe that our run D was really the 7th worst in the NFL right?

Mecole has great potential. But right now, that's most of what he is: potential. Hence, why Hardman only played about 13 snaps a game.

But now he's suddenly going to take 40 snaps plus?

In what is arguably one of the most (if not the most) complex passing offenses in the NFL? Maybe in NFL history?

An offense that no WR in history has absorbed fully in just two seasons, much less a second season without OTAs, with a truncated camp, just two preseason games if we believe Goodell, but somehow a 2nd year WR, with only 3 actual seasons at the position is going to just miraculously not only memorize the entire Reid playbook, but also be completely comfortable with it with virtually no game reps with 90% of the playbook . . .

Yeah, sounds reasonable. I can think of at least . . . yeah, no WRs ever that pulled something like that off. But maybe Mecole is a receiving idiot savant . . .

And don't kid yourself; Mecole wouldn't have had those numbers if not for Watkins absorbing the best CB and a safety from week 2-6. Mecole was facing a CB3 most of the time. Why do you think he was so wide open most of the time?

I said our defense would get better by years end even after the bye week so I know players get better and progress.

The most I can say is Veach has a vision and he picked Hardman in the first round to be a part of that vision so I'm saying Hardman is their guy and is going have a stellar career that dwarfs Sammy Watkins and a better year this year.


You don't know neither do I actually but I believe Hardman is going have a better year than Sammy Watkins not because of stats but because he is a baller that is pushing even Tyreek Hill this offseason to the limits.

You'll see Tyreek and Hardman on the field at the same time the league is going have to create new rules to help the defense. Just not going be fair.

[Megatron96]

Hill missed all those games and Watkins didn’t do shit.

His only 100 yard game of the regular season was the opener.

His only regular season TD was also in the opener.

Sammy redeemed himself in the playoffs, but still needs to prove he can work hard enough to realize his potential. If that doesn’t happen this year, it never will.

Uh, no sorry but you're wrong. Watch Sammy from week 2 thru 6 (and thru week 9 really, when the OL was finally completely repopulated with week 1's starters). He worked extremely hard, and sacrificed targets and therefore catches for the scheme and ultimately for the wins. Bottom line, Sammy was asked to do much of the dirty work, work that went largely unrecognized, to allow the overall scheme to work in Hill's absence, as well as reduce Pat's exposure to all those pass rushes while the OL was mostly subs and Pat's ankle was gimpy.

Also, I don't know what season you watched, but Sammy had 3 TDs in the season-opener, not 1.

[Rasputin]

Uh, no sorry but you're wrong. Watch Sammy from week 2 thru 6 (and thru week 9 really, when the OL was finally completely repopulated with week 1's starters). He worked extremely hard, and sacrificed targets and therefore catches for the scheme and ultimately for the wins. Bottom line, Sammy was asked to do much of the dirty work, work that went largely unrecognized, to allow the overall scheme to work in Hill's absence, as well as reduce Pat's exposure to all those pass rushes while the OL was mostly subs and Pat's ankle was gimpy.

Also, I don't know what season you watched, but Sammy had 3 TDs in the season-opener, not 1.

I said his 3 TDs came in one game and then zilch for the rest of the season but he was good for a first down or two a game I'll give him that.


If I'm wrong so be it but I believe Mecole Hardman is going have the better year and he will also have kick return duties but he will find the end zone more often than First Down Sammy the second.

[Megatron96]

I said our defense would get better by years end even after the bye week so I know players get better and progress.

The most I can say is Veach has a vision and he picked Hardman in the first round to be a part of that vision so I'm saying Hardman is their guy and is going have a stellar career that dwarfs Sammy Watkins and a better year this year.


You don't know neither do I actually but I believe Hardman is going have a better year than Sammy Watkins not because of stats but because he is a baller that is pushing even Tyreek Hill this offseason to the limits.

You'll see Tyreek and Hardman on the field at the same time the league is going have to create new rules to help the defense. Just not going be fair.

So, just to be clear, you had no trouble ignoring the stupidity of using the overall defensive stat line for our defense, but somehow you think the overall stat line for Watkins tells the complete story?

Okaaaay . . .

[Rasputin]

So, just to be clear, you had no trouble ignoring the stupidity of using the overall defensive stat line for our defense, but somehow you think the overall stat line for Watkins tells the complete story?

Okaaaay . . .


Watkins opened the season with 3 touchdowns in one game holy shit everyone goes nuts but the rest of the season where did his touchdowns go? I know Patrick was hurt for the most part and the offense did struggle but still when Hardman gets the ball he is flat out gone. I see what he can do and capable of so I'm waaaaay more excited for Hardman than a pedestrian Sammy Watkins.

Hardman was a first round pick also so he is part of the vision Bret Veach has for this team I'm going with that.

[RunKC]

Chris Conley was pretty damn good in 2018 during the stretch that Sammy was hurt. Hope we draft a tall speed receiver with big hops like him next Spring.

Sammy is excellent in the playoffs but I think this is his last year here

[Megatron96]

Watkins opened the season with 3 touchdowns in one game holy shit everyone goes nuts but the rest of the season where did his touchdowns go? I know Patrick was hurt for the most part and the offense did struggle but still when Hardman gets the ball he is flat out gone. I see what he can do and capable of so I'm waaaaay more excited for Hardman than a pedestrian Sammy Watkins.

Hardman was a first round pick also so he is part of the vision Bret Veach has for this team I'm going with that.

Pretty sure we've had this conversation before, and i'm not really interested in repeating myself. Hardman will have a good year, better than last year IF Watkins is on the field. But he's not ready to be a WR2 yet. Speed doesn't make a WR a great WR. if it did, Ted Ginn would've been a HOF player instead of a suitcase guy.

[Rasputin]

Pretty sure we've had this conversation before, and i'm not really interested in repeating myself. Hardman will have a good year, better than last year IF Watkins is on the field. But he's not ready to be a WR2 yet. Speed doesn't make a WR a great WR. if it did, Ted Ginn would've been a HOF player instead of a suitcase guy.

Welp I'm glad to disagree and if I'm wrong I'm wrong but the kid is going make a bigger impact this season than Sammy Watkins just watch and see. I believe in the kid as I believe in Veach for drafting him as a first rounder. The kid is more special than some here think but I believe in him and I can't say i'm as excited about Sammy Watkins as I am Mecole Hardman.


Mecole Hardman will turn heads this season.

He will be a bigger complement to Tyreek Hill and Tyreek Hill will feed off of that.

Just watch and see. You have your opinion I'll keep mine but don't act like your opinion is fact its just what you believe.

[Bump]

this is the first time I've heard him referred to as Starship 14

[Wisconsin_Chief]

I like arguing about which of our explosive receivers will tear up the league more this year with our dominant, generational QB throwing to them.

This is much more fun than arguing whether or not Brady Quinn can finally live up to his potential and help Romeo Crennel redeem himself. :-)

[HayWire]

I like arguing about which of our explosive receivers will tear up the league more this year with our dominant, generational QB throwing to them.

This is much more fun than arguing whether or not Brady Quinn can finally live up to his potential and help Romeo Crennel redeem himself. :-)

It seems like just yesterday that I was trying to convince myself Thigpen was going to be the next big thing.

[Lzen]

I was more interested in this when I clicked on your link.


1. Patrick Mahomes, Kansas City Chiefs
Age: 24 | Highest ranking: 1 | Lowest ranking: 4

Nearly 30 voters were polled, and all but one picked Mahomes first overall.

So, you're telling me that all but one of the league executives, coaches, scouts and players that they polled about this picked Mahomes at #1? And that one dissenter picked him at #4? :spock: WTF?

[ptlyon]

I'm betting Texans

[RealSNR]

I was more interested in this when I clicked on your link.



So, you're telling me that all but one of the league executives, coaches, scouts and players that they polled about this picked Mahomes at #1? And that one dissenter picked him at #4? :spock: WTF?

"Where the hell is Solomon Thomas on this list? Oh well, I'll just write him in."

https://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/BNG-L-49ERS-0120-309.jpg?w=863

[Chris Meck]

I don't know how much he has learned or not but you don't either and i believe Mecole is going get significant more playing time this year and over Sammie Watkins. Mecole is going come alive in this offense you just watch and don't underestimate him he was taken in the first round. Good kid and he has speed. The only disadvantage Mecole has is this is a ****ed up year so they didn't have the OTAs as usual but I know Mecole works out hard with Tyreek and Tyreek has taken him under his wing per say they challenge each other.


Our normal set is 3 wide, one TE.

Hill, Hardman, Watkins and Kelce.

Hardman's not taking Watkins' snaps. Targets? maybe, some, yeah-but not snaps.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

It seems like just yesterday that I was trying to convince myself Thigpen was going to be the next big thing.

Don't even get me started on Thigpen, he could have been a legend. :)

[MMXcalibur]

Glad Sammy wised up and stuck around.
With Hardman looking good last season, there was no way he was going to get the same kind of money.

[oldman]

Our normal set is 3 wide, one TE.

Hill, Hardman, Watkins and Kelce.

Hardman's not taking Watkins' snaps. Targets? maybe, some, yeah-but not snaps.

I agree. However, that doesn't mean Watkins is the WR2.
You can point out the lack of TD production after Hill got hurt, but some of that is because the double team was on him. I'd also point out that it's not all about TDs and yards. If you can keep moving the chains with 7-8 yard completions, groovy. You also have to look at other things, like downfield blocking. Watkins is much better at that than Hardman. Now, should we pay him long-term like a WR2? I don't think so, but I would like to keep him on the team.

[Ebolapox]

Hardman was a second round pick.

[tyecopeland]

I think hardman will out produce Watkins but I think Watkins is and will continue to be an integral part of the offense. Watkins will get more snaps too.

[PHOG]

Hardman was a second round pick.

I thought so. :doh!:

[JakeF]

My problem with Watkins is that some games he looks like an elite all-Pro WR who changes the entire game because of his domination. The other 12 games of the year he just seems to coast. He is paid way too much to coach 2/3rds of the year.

We have several targets to share the ball but Mahomes would absolutely feed Watkins the ball more often if he was dominating.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

:Pimp: PLAYOFF SAMMY :Peace:

[lcarus]

Watkins really stepped up in the playoffs. He was probably the best WR not named Davante Adams in the playoffs. If he does that every playoffs, 52 catches for 673 yards and 3 TDs in 14 regular season games is just fine with me.