ESPN: Projecting future Hall of Famers for all 32 NFL teams

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Kansas City Chiefs


Lock (100%): QB Patrick Mahomes. I addressed this in my MVP column in July. Mahomes' résumé -- a league MVP and Super Bowl MVP -- is usually enough to get a player into the Hall of Fame, let alone doing it over two seasons as a starter.

Likely (70% to 99%): WR Tyreek Hill, TE Travis Kelce. It might seem surprising to put Hill this high, but he has made it to four Pro Bowls and been a first-team All-Pro twice across his first four seasons. All seven players who did that and who are eligible for the Hall are in, and the list of ineligible guys includes Hill, Patrick Willis, Joe Thomas, Adrian Peterson, Patrick Peterson, Zack Martin and Aaron Donald. Everyone but Hill is either a lock or extremely likely to make it in. Hill's game still relies on speed, so he could be more susceptible to a career shortened by injuries than most other candidates, but if he gets three more seasons with Mahomes, he's probably in.

Kelce is difficult to judge because tight ends aren't well represented in the Hall. Just nine tight ends are enshrined, and Kelce's game leans more toward receiving than any of them. At the same time, no tight end in history has more than four 1,000-yard seasons over their respective careers, and Kelce has just run off four consecutive 1,000-yard campaigns. Like Hill, if Kelce gets three more seasons with Mahomes, I think he's a Hall of Famer.

Work to do (10% to 39%): S Tyrann Mathieu. The Defensive Player of the Year candidate was named a first-team All-Pro in 2015 and 2019, but he hasn't received any other nominations across his other five pro seasons. Mathieu is a great player and just turned 28, so he still has plenty of time, but he probably needs four or five more Pro Bowl seasons or a DPOY victory to really get in the discussion.

[Marcellus]

Wowza I had no idea Hill compared that well to other HoF receivers.

[O.city]

If Hill stays healthy and can stay with Pat and Andy, it'll be like Montana Rice 2.0.

They're too perfectly matched.

[ThaVirus]

Wowza I had no idea Hill compared that well to other HoF receivers.

Did I miss something?

The article doesn't explicitly compare his numbers to any HoF receivers. They just say he's a part of an elite group of players who had four Pro Bowls and two All-Pros in their first four seasons. That is great but I believe one of each of Hill's PB and AP came as a returner.

[DJ's left nut]

Wowza I had no idea Hill compared that well to other HoF receivers.

I mentioned that exact thing in a conversation with O.City a week or so ago.

What Hill's done in terms of accolades in his first 4 seasons is incredible. Black Ink matters in a big way come HoF time (that's why Schwartz may struggle, especially at a position where there's no 'production' to point to).

And when all is said and done, Hill's gonna have a shitload of Black Ink on his resume at any kind of reasonable pace over the next several years.

I think the article is pretty spot on in that regard - it's early yet, but give him 3 or 4 more years and it's a pretty damn easy conversation to start having.

[DJ's left nut]

Did I miss something?

The article doesn't explicitly compare his numbers to any HoF receivers. They just say he's a part of an elite group of players who had four Pro Bowls and two All-Pros in their first four seasons. That is great but I believe one of each of Hill's PB and AP came as a returner.

True enough - but again, when they just start stacking resumes up, he's STILL a 2-time All Pro and 4 time Pro Bowler.

And at this rate he'll get 2-3 more of the former and 4-6 more of the latter. You start talking about anyone who's made 4 All Pro teams and 8 Pro Bowls, I'm guessing that list is real short and all HoF guys. Regardless of how they earned 'em, that's select company.

[RealSNR]

There's a category for dudes having a 10 to 39% chance of making the HOF?

Fuck, I'd give a solid 40% chance to Jones and Clark. But a 10% chance? I don't think people realize how low of a percent chance that is. Rarely do NFL games with a 10+ point spread mean the underdog has under a 40% chance of winning that game. And you're giving these guys only 10?

If we get a 10% chance, then you throw Mitchell Schwartz and CEH up there too. If any of those guys show consistency (Schwartz already has) and couples it with longevity (a very unlikely component in the NFL, but this is a 10% chance we're rolling with, keep in mind) then they would also be candidates for the HOF.

After all, need I remind people-- the NFL said Terrell Davis is a HOFer. Why can't ANY team's top 2-3 players, if they stay healthy, stay at the top of their game, and play for a billion years, eventually be enshrined in Canton? That's about a 10% chance, I'd say.

Fuck, man. I mean, Buttkicker is a damn good kicker. Does he have a 10% chance of winning a couple more Super Bowls, being consistently great, and kicking until he's 40+? It's a 10% chance we're talking about here. I'd say yes.

[tatorhog]

Its sad that Mitchell Schwartz never gets any of the love he deserves. He plays a position that, if he's doing his job well, he doesn't get his name called. I would argue he's been one of the best RT in recent memory, and yet he doesn't seem to even get love on a season by season basis. He's every bit as good at his craft as Hill or Kelce are at theirs.

[DJ's left nut]

Its sad that Mitchell Schwartz never gets any of the love he deserves. He plays a position that, if he's doing his job well, he doesn't get his name called. I would argue he's been one of the best RT in recent memory, and yet he doesn't seem to even get love on a season by season basis. He's every bit as good at his craft as Hill or Kelce are at theirs.

Yeah, in a just world, Schwartz is up there with Kelce in terms of probabilities.

Or at least even with Mathieu.

Schwartz is a truly amazing RT, especially in a pass-happy era. It's criminal that he gets overlooked as often as he does. The guy is an absolute rock out there and someone that any team in the NFL could build their OL around.

[smithandrew051]

Kinda silly that Melvin Ingram gets recognition, but Frank Clark doesn’t.

Ingram:
2012: 1 sack
2013: 1 sack
2014: 4 sacks
2015: 10.5 sacks
2016: 8 sacks
2017: 10.5 sacks
2018: 7 sacks
2019: 7 sacks

Postseason: 4 games, 2 sacks, 0 rings

Frank Clark:
2015: 3 sacks
2016: 10 sacks
2017: 9 sacks
2018: 13 sacks
2019: 8 sacks

Postseason: 8 games, 8 sacks, 1 ring

Not really seeing why Ingram would have a better chance than Clark.

[Megatron96]

Looking at Jones' and Clark's career stats, they're still a long way from being considered by the HOF. Statistically, anyways. Though i find it interesting that Clark has both more regular season sacks and solo tackles than Jones, but is something like 257th in line to be inducted, while Jones is 218th? obviously I'm missing something.

But I believe both could be in the conversation should they play well over the next three seasons. And stay healthy, of course.

And I think they'll get there playing for the Chiefs, especially if they can play most of their careers with KC, which would give them many opportunities to make noise for themselves in the playoffs every year. The point being that they'll perennially be in a position to pressure the QB, get sacks, defense passes, make TFLs, etc., both in the regular season and the post-, which should give them both a better than even chance to earn a gold jacket.

Oh, and Schwartz should already be in the conversation. He's been dead solid for his entire career.

[KChiefs1]

7 Super Bowl rings will get a lot of them into the HOF.

[BigRedChief]

I mentioned that exact thing in a conversation with O.City a week or so ago.

What Hill's done in terms of accolades in his first 4 seasons is incredible. Black Ink matters in a big way come HoF time (that's why Schwartz may struggle, especially at a position where there's no 'production' to point to).

And when all is said and done, Hill's gonna have a shitload of Black Ink on his resume at any kind of reasonable pace over the next several years.

I think the article is pretty spot on in that regard - it's early yet, but give him 3 or 4 more years and it's a pretty damn easy conversation to start having.Hill is different from the speed receivers of the past. He is tough, He has proved he will go get a ball that means hes going to take a big hit. Also his vertical leap. We have seen him go up against taller corners and come down with the ball.

[Bump]

kinda dumb thinking Kelce wouldn't be an absolute lock.

[RunKC]

Matheiu has a real chance for the Hall of Fame as long as he’s with Spags.

He had a career year last year and dropped 2 or 3 easy picks. If he stays healthy he’ll continue to have years like that and also get the highlights and exposure in the playoffs that will get him in

[BigRedChief]

If Hill stays healthy and can stay with Pat and Andy, it'll be like Montana Rice 2.0.

They're too perfectly matched.


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[Prison Bitch]

Is Patrick in Canton as of today?


Let’s say he held a presser tomorrow where he quit and said: “I’m bored dominating the NFL. Too boring. I’m going back to Texas to be a cattle rancher.” Would he be in? I don’t think he would but you can disagree.

[Dante84]

Is Patrick in Canton as of today?


Let’s say he held a presser tomorrow where he quit and said: “I’m bored dominating the NFL. Too boring. I’m going back to Texas to be a cattle rancher.” Would he be in? I don’t think he would but you can disagree.

Yeah, the SB MVP + MVP should do it.

Assuming he would quit at the end of the season, instead of tomorrow in your hypothetical, he'd likely have 2 MVPs, and possibly a 2nd ring.

So I think either way, yes, but at the end of this season, definitely.

[Rasputin]

Dirty Dan I would love to see him I know he will be in the Chiefs Ring of Honor



We are going run out of space for names from this team and coaches and GM Brett Veach

[O.city]

Is Patrick in Canton as of today?


Let’s say he held a presser tomorrow where he quit and said: “I’m bored dominating the NFL. Too boring. I’m going back to Texas to be a cattle rancher.” Would he be in? I don’t think he would but you can disagree.

As of now? No. Need more time IMO.

He's probably done enough though.

[Hoover]

Dirty Dan I would love to see him I know he will be in the Chiefs Ring of Honor



We are going run out of space for names from this team and coaches and GM Brett Veach

No you just digitize it. Make the Ring of Honor a screen that goes round the entire stadium. Would be cool. Could do a lot with it.

[TwistedChief]

Is Patrick in Canton as of today?


Let’s say he held a presser tomorrow where he quit and said: “I’m bored dominating the NFL. Too boring. I’m going back to Texas to be a cattle rancher.” Would he be in? I don’t think he would but you can disagree.

I think with that attitude, it's debatable.

I think if he got injured and decided he couldn't risk his body anymore, yes.

[Prison Bitch]

I think with that attitude, it's debatable.

I think if he got injured and decided he couldn't risk his body anymore, yes.

This is a good clarification on my hypothetical.

[comochiefsfan]

Dirty Dan I would love to see him I know he will be in the Chiefs Ring of Honor



We are going run out of space for names from this team and coaches and GM Brett Veach

Sorry, but there is no way Sorenson should be in the ring of honor. That would delegitimize the whole thing. Love the guy, but just no.

[Indian Chief]

Baseball has the ten year playing minimum to be eligible for the hall. Does football have any such restriction? I genuinely do not know.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Dirty Dan I would love to see him I know he will be in the Chiefs Ring of Honor



We are going run out of space for names from this team and coaches and GM Brett Veach
Good God, why?

[Hammock Parties]

just keep alex off the ring

we want winners

[loochy]

Dirty Dan I would love to see him I know he will be in the Chiefs Ring of Honor



We are going run out of space for names from this team and coaches and GM Brett Veach


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[ThaVirus]

LOL Daniel Sorenson in the Chiefs ring of honor. Now I've truly heard everything!

[Mecca]

Dirty Dan I would love to see him I know he will be in the Chiefs Ring of Honor



We are going run out of space for names from this team and coaches and GM Brett Veach

Uh yea Dan won't happen, this is most likely his last year here.

[ThaVirus]

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LMAO

[Deberg_1990]

Baseball has the ten year playing minimum to be eligible for the hall. Does football have any such restriction? I genuinely do not know.

I don’t think so.

Terrell Davis and Jim Brown come to mind.

[ThaVirus]

If Terrell Davis and Gale Sayers are in, then Mahomes would definitely have a strong case. Personally, I'm a big fan of the peak argument over longevity, but even I wouldn't want Patrick to get in if he called it quits today. At some point, you just need a better resume.

He would instantly become the greatest "What if.." candidate though.

[carcosa]

just keep alex off the ring

we want winners

ALEX SMITH SHOULD BE BANNED FROM ARROWHEAD FOR LIFE!!!!!

[KChiefs1]

Baseball has the ten year playing minimum to be eligible for the hall. Does football have any such restriction? I genuinely do not know.


NFL is 5 years after retirement is the only requirement.

https://www.profootballhof.com/heroes-of-the-game/becoming-a-hall-of-famer-faqs/

[KChiefs1]

ALEX SMITH SHOULD BE BANNED FROM ARROWHEAD FOR LIFE!!!!!


He could be playing there next season.

[carcosa]

He could be playing there next season.

I WILL KEEP HIM OUT

[KChiefs1]

If Terrell Davis and Gale Sayers are in, then Mahomes would definitely have a strong case. Personally, I'm a big fan of the peak argument over longevity, but even I wouldn't want Patrick to get in if he called it quits today. At some point, you just need a better resume.

He would instantly become the greatest "What if.." candidate though.


Sayers was in 68 games.

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Davis was in 78 games.

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Jamal Charles was in 119 games.

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[Megatron96]

If Alex can hand PIT their first loss of the season he should have the banner raised in the Ring. Just sayin'.:thumb:

[smithandrew051]

Sayers was in 68 games.

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Davis was in 78 games.

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Jamal Charles was in 119 games.

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Davis had 248 more carries than Charles in 41 fewer games. Talk about running someone into the ground.

I really wish we could’ve seen Charles in a great offense. Just imagine that dude with legitimate threats around him (like this year) or a great run blocking OL (like 2003).

[dlphg9]

Sucks. If Jamaal Charles had just been able to stay healthy in just one other season, then there is a high likely hood he gets in.

[KChiefs1]

Sucks. If Jamaal Charles had just been able to stay healthy in just one other season, then there is a high likely hood he gets in.

The 2011 season really hurt him.

[tylerpalko]

I think kelce gets in no questions asked.

[RealSNR]

Is Patrick in Canton as of today?


Let’s say he held a presser tomorrow where he quit and said: “I’m bored dominating the NFL. Too boring. I’m going back to Texas to be a cattle rancher.” Would he be in? I don’t think he would but you can disagree.


Terrell Davis played like two years and got in the HOF