Sleuth a football anyone?

[flinchfree]

This football was a sweet surprise I found deep in storage and no longer have paper work for.....and my 52 year old noggin can't remember details for.:doh!:

Love some help from anyone who would care to share thoughts on it?

It's definitely Kansas City Chiefs, and from somewhere around the time of their first Super bowl, but more than that I'm really out of my element.

Anyone know whether it is a game ball? Or by the sigs which year I might reduce it down to? I can see Otis Taylor so I would assume no later than 75'...

Many thanks in advance to any who would give an opinion.


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[chefsos]

I see Jerry Mays, whose last year was 1970, and Jack Rudnay, whose first was also 1970.

[Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan]

Maybe my eyes are going, but I can't find Otis Taylor's sig on there, but I can make out Johnny Robinson and Emmitt Thomas, Mike Livingston.

Being as the football says, American Football Conference, it had to be NET 1970. Otherwise it would say American Football League.

[flinchfree]

Maybe my eyes are going, but I can't find Otis Taylor's sig on there, but I can make out Johnny Robinson and Emmitt Thomas, Mike Livingston.

Being as the football says, American Football Conference, it had to be NET 1970. Otherwise it would say American Football League.

Second from bottom pic, far left middle ball, in blue you can see the Taylor and immediately above Otis...

[flinchfree]

I see Jerry Mays, whose last year was 1970, and Jack Rudnay, whose first was also 1970.


That's AWESOME!

Thanks muchly for the deciphering.:thumb:

So, no chance it was the famed 69' season?

[Rain Man]

I see Jerry Mays, whose last year was 1970, and Jack Rudnay, whose first was also 1970.

If you found these two, it's really good, but there's still a little potential for wiggle room. Jack Rudnay started playing in 1970, but he was on the team in 1969. He was just on injured reserve the entire year. So per Chiefsos's post, it's most likely that it was 1970, but we can't rule out 1969 completely.

If we can find any of these guys who left in 1969, then it's a 1969 ball.

Paul Lowe
Jacky Lee
Gene Trosch
Goldie Sellers
Remi Prudhomme
Noland Smith
Curtis McClinton

If we can find any of these guys who started in 1970, then it's a 1970 ball.

Sid Smith
Mike Oriard
Marvin Upshaw
Clyde Werner
David Hadley
Bob Liggett
Billy Cannon

[flinchfree]

If you found these two, it's really good, but there's still a little potential for wiggle room. Jack Rudnay started playing in 1970, but he was on the team in 1969. He was just on injured reserve the entire year. So per Chiefsos's post, it's most likely that it was 1970, but we can't rule out 1969 completely.

If we can find any of these guys who left in 1969, then it's a 1969 ball.

Paul Lowe
Jacky Lee
Gene Trosch
Goldie Sellers
Remi Prudhomme
Noland Smith
Curtis McClinton

If we can find any of these guys who started in 1970, then it's a 1970 ball.

Sid Smith
Mike Oriard
Clyde Werner
David Hadley
Bob Liggett
Billy Cannon

Damn.:clap:
I have to own my lame claim to Chief fandom - being relocated here to the USA in 2000, living in Chicago the first 7 years and watching a really crap team in the Bears, moving to Lawrence Kansas 13 years ago, and only then latching on to this great movement that is being a Chiefs supporter.

The knowledge on this forum is awesome.

[Rain Man]

I'm pretty sure that's Marvin Upshaw in the bottom left of Picture 7. That would make it a 1970 ball if he and Jerry Mays are both on it.

[Rain Man]

So where did you get that ball? It would have signatures of a slew of Hall of Famers if they all signed it - Buchanan, Lanier, Bell, EThomas, Robinson, Stenerud, Dawson, and Culp.

[stevieray]

So where did you get that ball? It would have signatures of a slew of Hall of Famers if they all signed it - Buchanan, Lanier, Bell, EThomas, Robinson, Stenerud, Dawson, and Culp.

Culp is on there with Mike Garrett Johhny Robinson, Jim Tyrer & Jerrell Wilsom

[cdcox]

Around that time, maybe a little later, we used to go to William Jewel for training camp. The players would come directly from the field to mingle through the fans as they headed for the locker room. As a kid, I would run up to individual players, not recognizing most of them, and ask for their autograph. I had a bunch of autographs on a piece of notebook paper (sigh). No doubt half of them were training camp fodder. But the paper got wet somewhere along the way (sigh) and it went by the wayside many years ago.

[flinchfree]

So where did you get that ball? It would have signatures of a slew of Hall of Famers if they all signed it - Buchanan, Lanier, Bell, EThomas, Robinson, Stenerud, Dawson, and Culp.

I bought it 6-10 years ago from an Auction House as a display piece and we moved house maybe a year or so after purchase.
Boxed it with a tonne of other stuff and it never got opened until last weekend when I went looking for a turn of the century (19th) baseball cap I also knew I'd bought many years ago.
I'd just sold a cool 1878 Princeton College baseball pass to a collector who asked if I had anything else of interest.
I remembered the cap and went looking, and along the way in the same plastic tub found this football, a Kobe signed basketball, and some other odds and sods.
Maybe my most fun weekend in forever discovering a 'find' in my own house and it didn't even cost me anything.LMAO

[Rain Man]

Around that time, maybe a little later, we used to go to William Jewel for training camp. The players would come directly from the field to mingle through the fans as they headed for the locker room. As a kid, I would run up to individual players, not recognizing most of them, and ask for their autograph. I had a bunch of autographs on a piece of notebook paper (sigh). No doubt half of them were training camp fodder. But the paper got wet somewhere along the way (sigh) and it went by the wayside many years ago.

Consider yourself fortunate that neither Button Gwinnett nor William Shakespeare tried out for the Chiefs.

[flinchfree]

.....been asked if the football is available for purchase and I guess it is if the right number can be worked out.

[scho63]

I see autographs from

Dave Hill
Johnny Robinson
Mike Livingston
Jim Tyler
Ed Budde
Curly Culp
Robert Nolan
Jim Lynch
Emmit Thomas
Jerrel Wilson
Frank Pitts
Marv Upshaw
Ceasar ???
Sid Smith
Jack Rudney

This football is from 1970-1972

[flinchfree]

I see autographs from

Dave Hill
Johnny Robinson
Mike Livingston
Jim Tyler
Ed Budde
Curly Culp
Robert Nolan
Jim Lynch
Emmit Thomas
Jerrel Wilson
Frank Pitts
Marv Upshaw
Ceasar ???
Sid Smith
Jack Rudney

This football is from 1970-1972


Appreciate the input!

[scho63]

Sid Smith Played 1970-1972 for KC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Smith_(American_football)


KC Chiefs 1970 Roster

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/kan/1970_roster.htm

[Dartgod]

Gloster Richardson's last year in KC was 1970

[flinchfree]

I think 1970 fits the sigs deciphered so far.
Awesome guys.

[flinchfree]

Thanks to everyone who helped out with the names on this great football!
Including the ones already mentioned and with the help of scho63's reference to the 1970 team, I squinted super hard and was able to confirm the following autos...including Len Dawson's which was hanging out on the pointy end of the ball.:Superman:

Len Dawson, Otis Taylor, Sid Smith, Jerry Mays, Jack Rudnay, Johnny Robinson, Emmitt Thomas, Mike Livingston, Marvin Upshaw, Curley Culp, Mike Garrett, Jim Tyrer, Jerrell Wilsom, Dave Hill, Ed Budde, Robert Nolan, Jim Lynch, Frank Pitts, Warren McVea, Willie Mitchell, Aaron Brown, Ceasar Belser, Morris Stroud, Buck Buchanan, George Daney, Jan Stenerud, Bobby Bell, and a few others I'm unable to work out...


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[kcfan75]

Let me know what you find out, my wife's grandmother gave me what looks like a similar one. I bumped into Jim Kearney who is on my ball at a driving range once. I was hoping to bump into him again and show him the ball to see if he could date it.

It won't let me paste links because I'm new, but add the prefix before the URL below.

ibb.co/s6F0Mqv
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[flinchfree]

Let me know what you find out, my wife's grandmother gave me what looks like a similar one. I bumped into Jim Kearney who is on my ball at a driving range once. I was hoping to bump into him again and show him the ball to see if he could date it.

It won't let me paste links because I'm new, but add the prefix before the URL below.

ibb.co/s6F0Mqv
ibb.co/N1bDmYT

I think I've found out pretty much all there is to find out.:D
If you read through the thread you'll see the help that was given finding the names, as well as a useful link to roster for 1970 (I"m sure you can repeat the same for other years until the names on your ball match possible team).
I then just built on others work to make out as many as I could.
Because my ball is not dated or referred to per particular game, biddee biddee biddee, b'that's all folks.

Oh, and if any on here are interested in buying it, it's gone to ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/283976170366