Kamara on the block?

[O.city]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;m told the Saints are open to trading RB Alvin Kamara, per source.</p>&mdash; IG: JosinaAnderson (@JosinaAnderson) <a href="https://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/status/1300890569049346053?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Hamwallet]

Good thing we are set! I think our draft picks in the Mahomes era will be super fast WR’s and Oline. Great D guys will take a short term contract to grab a ring. Our foundation is set for many years.

[comochiefsfan]

Obviously we don’t need him with CEH in tow.

But can you imagine Kamara in this offense? He would break records.

[O.city]

He is gonna want Mixon money, so no thanks. But we it's fun to think. Him in this current offense would be....whew.

[The Franchise]

Dude wants to get paid and the Saints have no money to do it.

[The Franchise]

Wonder if they would trade him in the division to the Bucs...

[O.city]

If he'd do it, you could trade for him, then tag and trade him again next year. He won't play without a contract though I'd imagine.

Rb's in today's NFL, especially ones on good smart teams just get boned. Then you have the bengals breaking RB's off financially.

[Hammock Parties]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Breaking: RB Alvin Kamara spotted at KCI Airport. <a href="https://t.co/yAC8KdydQX">pic.twitter.com/yAC8KdydQX</a></p>&mdash; ⁴⁰²������������ (@MahomesToKelce) <a href="https://twitter.com/MahomesToKelce/status/1300548655896821760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[DJ's left nut]

If he'd do it, you could trade for him, then tag and trade him again next year. He won't play without a contract though I'd imagine.

Rb's in today's NFL, especially ones on good smart teams just get boned. Then you have the bengals breaking RB's off financially.

A team can afford to pay a RB if it's in a spot like the Bengals where they have a rookie QB that they're committed to at a low price point for the entire duration of the 'real' years of that RB deal.

Mixon+Burrows is going to be less than what most of the NFL is paying for it's RB/QB combo. It works out that way.

Where we chose to overspend to buy a #2 WR, the Bengals chose to retain their best young offensive skill-player. It's defensible.

[staylor26]

Something is going on because he skipped practice the other day too. He’s definitely threatening to hold out now that this news has come out.

[ModSocks]

Shiiiiiiiiit.

Veach, time to summon up some of that magical money.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I heard their cap situation is insanely awful even right now heading into 2021, let alone before they pay any of their young talent.

This might be legit.

[ModSocks]

Also, who the fuck is Josina Anderson?

[ModSocks]

I heard their cap situation is insanely awful even right now heading into 2021, let alone before they pay any of their young talent.

This might be legit.

I imagine they'll find some cap space with Brees retires.

This is likely much ado about nothing.

[staylor26]

Also, who the fuck is Josina Anderson?

All I know is she’s broken a lot of news before. She’s definitely legit.

[htismaqe]

Also, who the fuck is Josina Anderson?

Seriously?

[htismaqe]

All I know is she’s broken a lot of news before. She’s definitely legit.

Yeah, she was doing ESPN stuff for a long time. Pretty well known source.

[ModSocks]

All I know is she’s broken a lot of news before. She’s definitely legit.

I know he's a luxury we can't afford, but maaaan.....

I wouldn't even have words.

Veach, it's time to fire up your magic money printer!

[ModSocks]

Seriously?

Sorry?

[staylor26]

I imagine they'll find some cap space with Brees retires.

This is likely much ado about nothing.

Idk man, I think this is legit.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Saints RB Alvin Kamara, S Malcolm Jenkins, DE Marcus Davenport, G/C Cesar Ruiz, LB Zack Baun among those who remain absent from practice. G Andrus Peat, WR Emmanuel Sanders, LB Anthony Chickillo returned.</p>&mdash; Mike Triplett (@MikeTriplett) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeTriplett/status/1300470215944343552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Edit: click on the tweet and look at the post under this.



Mike Triplett
@MikeTriplett
·
Aug 31
Saints coach Sean Payton declined to clarify whether RB Alvin Kamara’s absence from practices since Friday has been injury or non-injury related. Payton declined to give details on any player absences.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I imagine they'll find some cap space with Brees retires.

This is likely much ado about nothing.

He’s got a funky deal I think where he’s still on the books next season even though he’s going to retire — a void year or whatever. Not sure they can get that much from letting him go.

[The Franchise]

I imagine they'll find some cap space with Brees retires.

This is likely much ado about nothing.

I saw a report that if the cap is lowered at all next season that they’ll be $37 million over.

[smithandrew051]

I wanted Kamara so bad when we drafted Kpassagnon.

Hopefully Kpassagnon keeps making strides in this defense and can become at least a decent starter opposite Clark at some point.

[The Franchise]

Kamara and CEH together on this offense? LMAO

[DJ's left nut]

Idk man, I think this is legit.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Saints RB Alvin Kamara, S Malcolm Jenkins, DE Marcus Davenport, G/C Cesar Ruiz, LB Zack Baun among those who remain absent from practice. G Andrus Peat, WR Emmanuel Sanders, LB Anthony Chickillo returned.</p>&mdash; Mike Triplett (@MikeTriplett) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeTriplett/status/1300470215944343552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Edit: click on the tweet and look at the post under this.



Mike Triplett
@MikeTriplett
·
Aug 31
Saints coach Sean Payton declined to clarify whether RB Alvin Kamara’s absence from practices since Friday has been injury or non-injury related. Payton declined to give details on any player absences.

Baun and Ruiz are on rookie deals.

So if they aren't injured, this is another protest thing. Jenkins has been outspoken for several years, IIRC.

Obviously speculation but they may have a genuine locker-room problem on their hands and it may rat-fuck them if these players decide they can't line up behind Brees if he's under center.

[Mecca]

He’s got a funky deal I think where he’s still on the books next season even though he’s going to retire — a void year or whatever. Not sure they can get that much from letting him go.

Brees retiring leaves a 22.6 million dollar cap hit for next year.

Kamara desperately wants to get paid while being on a team that has no money for him. If he holds out he'll fuck the Saints last shot for awhile.

[The Franchise]

Here....have Breeland Speaks and Darwin Thompson. We’ll throw in a 3rd rounder as well.

[htismaqe]

Sorry?

Just was kind of surprised you had never heard of her. IIRC, she made her name a few years ago providing medical information about player injuries. She's been around for probably a decade and pretty well known in the sports journalism world.

[RunKC]

That’s why the whole “we have CEH for 6 years!” discussion was never realistic, especially for a RB.

These guys aren’t going to wait until they are 28 to get paid.

[loochy]

Breaking: RB Alvin Kamara spotted at KCI Airport. pic.twitter.com/yAC8KdydQX (https://t.co/yAC8KdydQX)
— ⁴⁰²������������ (@MahomesToKelce) August 31, 2020 (https://twitter.com/MahomesToKelce/status/1300548655896821760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) <script async="" src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


lies

[The Franchise]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On the Alvin Kamara situation with the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Saints?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Saints</a>, I&#39;m told that right now, the team is comfortable making him a top 5 paid RB ($12+ mil per season). But Kamara&#39;s number is pushing more toward the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Panthers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Panthers</a>&#39; Christian McCaffrey extension ($16+ mil per). That&#39;s a pretty wide chasm.</p>&mdash; Charles Robinson (@CharlesRobinson) <a href="https://twitter.com/CharlesRobinson/status/1300895620962676736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[htismaqe]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On the Alvin Kamara situation with the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Saints?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Saints</a>, I&#39;m told that right now, the team is comfortable making him a top 5 paid RB ($12+ mil per season). But Kamara&#39;s number is pushing more toward the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Panthers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Panthers</a>&#39; Christian McCaffrey extension ($16+ mil per). That&#39;s a pretty wide chasm.</p>&mdash; Charles Robinson (@CharlesRobinson) <a href="https://twitter.com/CharlesRobinson/status/1300895620962676736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ouch. No freaking way.

[Dante84]

They'll send him to the AFC.

Chargers are dumb enough to pay a RB while they have no legit QB.

Ravens are already stacked at RB, so i don't see them doing it.

Bills could do it

Colts could do it

Maybe Titans go all run and pair him with Henry lol

[DJ's left nut]

Kamara and CEH together on this offense? LMAO

At a point you really do run out of footballs, though.

Anything that takes the ball out of Hill's hands is a bad thing. He's the most efficient weapon on this team by a fair amount. Behind him is Kelce. Then probably Watkins and then Hardman.

I mean - toss Kamara in that mix and it likely comes largely at the expense of CEH and if not him, it comes by taking the ball away from guys I'd rather have with it.

It's almost embarrassing to say it, but we really are reaching the point of diminishing marginal returns on offensive skill-position players. At least in 2020.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Brees retiring leaves a 22.6 million dollar cap hit for next year.

Kamara desperately wants to get paid while being on a team that has no money for him. If he holds out he'll **** the Saints last shot for awhile.

Exactly, he’s got a ton of leverage.

This is the definition of a boom or bust season for NO.

[Mecca]

lies

Josina Anderson breaks news because she's tight with a ton of players, she's basically worked her way into having info because players like her.

[staylor26]

Baun and Ruiz are on rookie deals.

So if they aren't injured, this is another protest thing. Jenkins has been outspoken for several years, IIRC.

Obviously speculation but they may have a genuine locker-room problem on their hands and it may rat-fuck them if these players decide they can't line up behind Brees if he's under center.

I don’t know wha the deal is with those other guys, but now that you brought it to my attention they sure do have a lot of guys out. Very strange.

I was just pointing to this:



Mike Triplett
@MikeTriplett
·
Aug 31
Saints coach Sean Payton declined to clarify whether RB Alvin Kamara’s absence from practices since Friday has been injury or non-injury related. Payton declined to give details on any player absences.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I wanted Kamara so bad when we drafted Kpassagnon.

Hopefully Kpassagnon keeps making strides in this defense and can become at least a decent starter opposite Clark at some point.

Sounds like he’s going to start week 1. Which he did during the playoffs so, makes plenty of sense.

[ModSocks]

They'll send him to the AFC.

Chargers are dumb enough to pay a RB while they have no legit QB.



It'd be a smart move for the Chargers actually because they have a rookie Qb contract.

They can afford, and should be, loading up on talent for their guy.

[The Franchise]

They'll send him to the AFC.

Chargers are dumb enough to pay a RB while they have no legit QB.

Ravens are already stacked at RB, so i don't see them doing it.

Bills could do it

Colts could do it

Maybe Titans go all run and pair him with Henry lol

If I’m Miami....I’m calling the Saints. They have Breida and Howard. That’s garbage.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

At a point you really do run out of footballs, though.

Anything that takes the ball out of Hill's hands is a bad thing. He's the most efficient weapon on this team by a fair amount. Behind him is Kelce. Then probably Watkins and then Hardman.

I mean - toss Kamara in that mix and it likely comes largely at the expense of CEH and if not him, it comes by taking the ball away from guys I'd rather have with it.

It's almost embarrassing to say it, but we really are reaching the point of diminishing marginal returns on offensive skill-position players. At least in 2020.

Not just footballs, but you run out of reps in general.

I’m already doing cartwheels in my head about how they will divvy up snaps for Hardman and Robinson, who both seem to be having strong camps.

[Mecca]

Exactly, he’s got a ton of leverage.

This is the definition of a boom or bust season for NO.

What leverage does he truly have, it would be like asking the town bum to pay your rent. They legit have no money for him and their decision to let him go after this year is obvious.

[RunKC]

They'll send him to the AFC.

Chargers are dumb enough to pay a RB while they have no legit QB.

Ravens are already stacked at RB, so i don't see them doing it.

Bills could do it

Colts could do it

Maybe Titans go all run and pair him with Henry lol

Why would the Colts want this guy when they have Marlon Mack and just drafted Jonathan Taylor at the top of the 2nd rd?

[smithandrew051]

Sounds like he’s going to start week 1. Which he did during the playoffs so, makes plenty of sense.

He absolutely has the size, length, and athleticism to be at least a good NFL starter. I just wish we hadn’t wasted a couple years of his development under Sutton.

[DJ's left nut]

If I’m Miami....I’m calling the Saints. They have Breida and Howard. That’s garbage.

Absolutely the first team to my mind as well. With plenty of draft capital.

Offer a 2 and a future 3/4 and get it done.

[htismaqe]

At a point you really do run out of footballs, though.

Anything that takes the ball out of Hill's hands is a bad thing. He's the most efficient weapon on this team by a fair amount. Behind him is Kelce. Then probably Watkins and then Hardman.

I mean - toss Kamara in that mix and it likely comes largely at the expense of CEH and if not him, it comes by taking the ball away from guys I'd rather have with it.

It's almost embarrassing to say it, but we really are reaching the point of diminishing marginal returns on offensive skill-position players. At least in 2020.

Yep. That was exactly my argument against a guy like Fournette. These guys want to be feature backs and they want to (eventually) be paid like premiere players. There's just no room in the KC offense for that - those guys would be 4th options here, at best.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

What leverage does he truly have, it would be like asking the town bum to pay your rent. They legit have no money for him and their decision to let him go after this year is obvious.

If the goal for him right now is to get paid, you laid out why he’s got so much leverage.

He either holds out and costs them a chance to win big OR does get traded and extended elsewhere.

[staylor26]

The Bills have drafted 2 RB’s on day 2 the last 2 years. They are not an option.

Dolphins and Steelers make the most sense IMO.

[ChiefBlueCFC]

Has Kamara had a few injuries concerns, or am i confusing him with another back?

[staylor26]

Yep. That was exactly my argument against a guy like Fournette. These guys want to be feature backs and they want to (eventually) be paid like premiere players. There's just no room in the KC offense for that - those guys would be 4th options here, at best.

Sorry didn’t mean to downvote.

[htismaqe]

Sorry didn’t mean to downvote.

:toast:

[O.city]

The Bills have drafted 2 RB’s on day 2 the last 2 years. They are not an option.

Dolphins and Steelers make the most sense IMO.

Ugh, I don't like the Steelers. That would be no bueno.

[ModSocks]

Has Kamara had a few injuries concerns, or am i confusing him with another back?

Torn MCL iirc.

[staylor26]

Ugh, I don't like the Steelers. That would be no bueno.

With their defense possibly being the best in the league and Big Ben at the end of his career I could see it. They need to win now.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

With their defense possibly being the best in the league and Big Ben at the end of his career I could see it.

Steelers + Kamara could certainly beat Baltimore this year for the North if Ben is normal.

[The Franchise]

I don’t see the Steelers doing it. They’ve got Conner, Snell, Samuels and they drafted McFarland.

Miami literally has dick at RB.

[O.city]

With their defense possibly being the best in the league and Big Ben at the end of his career I could see it. They need to win now.

It's a great fit, i don't like it in terms of them having him in the playoffs against the Chiefs.

I think Ben is done, but if he's not, the Steelers won't be an easy out with that defense.

[htismaqe]

Steelers + Kamara could certainly beat Baltimore this year for the North if Ben is normal.

If Ben is normal. He's taken a beating during his career.

[O.city]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Spoke to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Saints?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Saints</a> RB Alvin Kamara and his agent and neither has asked for or demanded a trade. As of today, they thought they were actively negotiating and making progress on an extension. Kamara has never threatened to hold out and has been in the building every day.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1300901795280101383?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[DJ's left nut]

Steelers + Kamara could certainly beat Baltimore this year for the North if Ben is normal.

The Dolphins have to be considered favorites out of a weak-ass East if they get him, right?

At least strong contenders.

An ascending defense, solid weapons out wide with Parker/Williams/Geiseke and Kamara in the mix. If Tua is even an average QB at that point, that's a potential 10-11 win team and if one of those wins is stealing a game in NE or Buffalo, they could hold serve at home against them, beat up on a relatively easy schedule and steal the division.

With room to run in the future.

The Dolphins are just a perfect spot for him.

[wazu]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">the Saints just gave Taysom Hill $21 million and now might lose Kamara over $2 million lmao <a href="https://t.co/Tq0lqG3Z38">https://t.co/Tq0lqG3Z38</a></p>&mdash; Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1300902469472526337?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 1, 2020</a></blockquote>
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[Bob Dole]

Now we know where Fournette will land.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Miami has questions about what kind of QB play they’ll get but I love their coaching and they are stacked at CB.

[Sassy Squatch]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I can confirm. Their first option is to sign Kamara to a long-term deal. But only at the right price. If not, they are open to a trade. Saints are seeking a first-round pick in return. <a href="https://t.co/dXCsoA3ct8">https://t.co/dXCsoA3ct8</a></p>&mdash; Jeff Duncan (@JeffDuncan_) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffDuncan_/status/1300902542906253312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mecca]

If any team trades draft capital for the right to give a RB a big deal, some analytics dudes brain will explode.

[ThaVirus]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On the Alvin Kamara situation with the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Saints?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Saints</a>, I&#39;m told that right now, the team is comfortable making him a top 5 paid RB ($12+ mil per season). But Kamara&#39;s number is pushing more toward the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Panthers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Panthers</a>&#39; Christian McCaffrey extension ($16+ mil per). That&#39;s a pretty wide chasm.</p>&mdash; Charles Robinson (@CharlesRobinson) <a href="https://twitter.com/CharlesRobinson/status/1300895620962676736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If I had to take one RB in the league just to win one game, I think it'd be Kamara. You really can't go wrong with anyone in the top 5, but he'd be my pick. I think he's the best. That said, he's got some injury concerns. The only RB in the league I'd consider paying that kind of money for is Zeke.

I read earlier that the Saints are $26m OVER the cap for 2021 at this moment lol they're going to have to start making some tough decisions if they wanna lock Kamara up.

[staylor26]

Kamara definitely isn’t better than McCaffrey Virus LMAO

[Mecca]

If they pay Kamara they're going to literally hand off 35 times as they figure out Taysom Hill is a crappy QB.

[Sassy Squatch]

LMAO I forgot they gave Taysom Hill all that money.

[BossChief]

If they pay Kamara they're going to literally hand off 35 times as they figure out Taysom Hill is a crappy QB.

They could run that Tyler Thigpen/Jamaal Charles pistol baby!!!

[cripple creek]

makes my having latavious murray on my fantasy team bench look a little brighter

[htismaqe]

They want a 1st rounder for him? Ain't happening.

[Titty Meat]

O City worried about paying him but would give up 2 firsts and pay Ramsey smh

[wazu]

They want a 1st rounder for him? Ain't happening.

Bill O'Brien: "Hold my beer."

[htismaqe]

Bill O'Brien: "Hold my beer."

ROFL

[Buehler445]

Wonder if they would trade him in the division to the Bucs...

Fuck that.

Just because I don't want to hear about Brady. :Lin:

Brees retiring leaves a 22.6 million dollar cap hit for next year.

Kamara desperately wants to get paid while being on a team that has no money for him. If he holds out he'll fuck the Saints last shot for awhile.

Did I miss something? Did Brees retire?

[CasselGotPeedOn]

Bill O'Brien: "Hold my beer."

He's probably considering trading Watson for him

[Buehler445]

Bill O'Brien: "Hold my beer."

Kamara is too good a player for BOB to waste capital on.

[Megatron96]

Haven't read the whole thread yet, but I heard on the radio that CHI or TB might have an interest in Kamara. No idea if they have cap space; missed that part of the show.

[O.city]

O City worried about paying him but would give up 2 firsts and pay Ramsey smh

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[Buehler445]

He's probably considering trading Watson for him

Oh hell. Didn't think about this.

Carry on LOL.

[Sassy Squatch]

Haven't read the whole thread yet, but I heard on the radio that CHI or TB might have an interest in Kamara. No idea if they have cap space; missed that part of the show.
No way they'd trade him to Tampa Bay.

[Mecca]

Fuck that.

Just because I don't want to hear about Brady. :Lin:



Did I miss something? Did Brees retire?

If Brees retires after this year, which most expect to happen, he's a 22.6 million dollar hit on the cap next year.

[DJ's left nut]

I do love that anytime anyone is on the trading block and a thread pops up I just wait and wonder if O.City will want to give up a 1st rounder or a 2nd rounder for him.

That's it. Those are the options. "O.City won't want to trade for this guy" isn't a consideration.

It's really just a question of 1st or 2nd rounder.

[KurtCobain]

I don't want him here, we've got a good thing going and it seems like every time a trade like this goes down the guy gets hurt after he gets the big bucks. Fuck that. Plus, I'm not a cap genius but I really don't understand how it could possibly work out numbers-wise.

[Megatron96]

No way they'd trade him to Tampa Bay.

Weirder things have happened, but in general I agree. The problem is that this is not at all a normal season.

[O.city]

I do love that anytime anyone is on the trading block and a thread pops up I just wait and wonder if O.City will want to give up a 1st rounder or a 2nd rounder for him.

That's it. Those are the options. "O.City won't want to trade for this guy" isn't a consideration.

It's really just a question of 1st or 2nd rounder.

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[RoyalsAndSaints]

For what we traded up to get him, I hope we keep him. Yeah, AK was hurt, but 81 receptions for a RB is still hard to come by.

[Kiimo]

Haven't read the whole thread yet, but I heard on the radio that CHI or TB might have an interest in Kamara. No idea if they have cap space; missed that part of the show.

I imagine Kamara and Cohen both running in to the huddle then trying to run the same position on the same play and hitting heads and comically falling down.


Perfect for the way it has gone for Nagy so far

[Bewbies]

Houston or Miami is where this guy goes.

Of course, Houston has nothing to give. And David Johnson is as good as D Hop. LMAO

[kevrunner]

That’s why the whole “we have CEH for 6 years!” discussion was never realistic, especially for a RB.

These guys aren’t going to wait until they are 28 to get paid.

Yeah, this year Dalvin Cook, Mixon and Kamara are basically holding out while still going to camp. Mixon just got paid, $12 million per year is actually a pretty fair price for the player and the team. Kamara and Cook are asking for the same $$$ that Christian McCaffrey received, around $16 million per year. Next year it’s going to be Barkley’s turn. The top rookie RBs won’t play out their full contracts anymore.

[Megatron96]

I imagine Kamara and Cohen both running in to the huddle then trying to run the same position on the same play and hitting heads and comically falling down.


Perfect for the way it has gone for Nagy so far

:thumb:

Honestly I think Kamara would be a pretty good fit in CHI. They're going to be run-centric anyway, and the guy is an elite 3-down back.

But at TB he could make the playoffs, assuming Brady can play just a little better than he did last year.

But NO will never trade him to TB, especially for that reason.

[ThaVirus]

Kamara definitely isn’t better than McCaffrey Virus LMAO

There's no RB who's far and away better than the rest; so debating who's #1 out of the top 5-ish guys is tough, but I think Kamara is the best.

You could make that argument for a handful of guys and I wouldn't argue.

[UChieffyBugger]

The best rb i've seen in the recent years is Gurley tbh
..imo he could have been an all time great if he didn't get injured. Kamara can do anything mccaffrey can do so why shouldn't he ask for big bucks aswell?

[Buehler445]

If Brees retires after this year, which most expect to happen, he's a 22.6 million dollar hit on the cap next year.

Got it.

I realize I work a lot and miss some shit but I’d think I would have caught that.

[staylor26]

There's no RB who's far and away better than the rest; so debating who's #1 out of the top 5-ish guys is tough, but I think Kamara is the best.

You could make that argument for a handful of guys and I wouldn't argue.

As a receiver, they’re close, but McCaffrey is the better runner and I don’t think it’s even debatable. Kamara has yet to even reach 900 rushing yards in a season. McCaffrey is a bell cow. Kamara is best when paired with a RB like Ingram.

[ThaVirus]

As a receiver, they’re close, but McCaffrey is the better runner and I don’t think it’s even debatable. Kamara has yet to even reach 900 rushing yards in a season. McCaffrey is a bell cow. Kamara is best when paired with a RB like Ingram.


That’s because Kamara’s yet to reach 200 carries in a season. He’s got a 5.0 YPC average to CMC’s 4.7.

It’s a volume vs efficiency thing and I think it’s pretty debatable.

[staylor26]

That’s because Kamara’s yet to reach 200 carries in a season. He’s got a 5.0 YPC average to CMC’s 4.7.

It’s a volume vs efficiency thing and I think it’s pretty debatable.

He hasn’t had that many carries because he isn’t capable of handling that kind of workload. He’s never had 200+ carries or 1,000 yards going back to college.

McCaffrey is every bit as good of a receiver, but he’s also capable of handling the workload of a bell cow in terms of running the football. He’s significantly better because of this.

Not to mention McCaffrey hasn’t been in nearly as good of an offense or ran behind one of the best OL’s in the NFL (in reference to your YPC argument).

[ThaVirus]

He hasn’t had that many carries because he isn’t capable of handling that kind of workload. He’s never had 200+ carries or 1,000 yards going back to college.

McCaffrey is every bit as good of a receiver, but he’s also capable of handling the workload of a bell cow in terms of running the football. He’s significantly better because of this.

Not to mention McCaffrey hasn’t been in nearly as good of an offense or ran behind one of the best OL’s in the NFL (in reference to your YPC argument).


That’s the same argument people made against Jamaal Charles.

Kamara could handle it just fine. He’s bigger than McCaffery lol

[Chiefshrink]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Breaking: RB Alvin Kamara spotted at KCI Airport. <a href="https://t.co/yAC8KdydQX">pic.twitter.com/yAC8KdydQX</a></p>&mdash; ⁴⁰²������������ (@MahomesToKelce) <a href="https://twitter.com/MahomesToKelce/status/1300548655896821760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Just a connection flight.;)

[O.city]

I don’t really think there’s much difference between the two. Kamara will definitely last longer in the league if mccaffrey keeps getting 400 touches per year

[Chiefshrink]

The best rb i've seen in the recent years is Gurley tbh
..imo he could have been an all time great if he didn't get injured. Kamara can do anything mccaffrey can do so why shouldn't he ask for big bucks aswell?

He's done. Wheels came off way too early BUT organizations knew this about his knee coming out of college and the RAMS only were looking short term and thought why not?

[staylor26]

That’s the same argument people made against Jamaal Charles.

Kamara could handle it just fine. He’s bigger than McCaffery lol

Well Jamaal actually did it while Kamara hasn’t once even going back to college. Kamara might be bigger, but he hasn’t been as durable with less of a workload (not to say he’s injury prone, but he’s battled them going back to college as well). He’s never even had 900 yards rushing going back to college and you’re just shrugging it off. He’s a great player and can get you over 1,600 total yards, but he’s not quite McCaffrey. Maybe that gives him the longevity, but he’s not better than McCaffrey today.

[ThaVirus]

Well Jamaal actually did it while Kamara hasn’t once even going back to college. Kamara might be bigger, but he hasn’t been as durable with less of a workload (not to say he’s injury prone, but he’s battled them going back to college as well). He’s never even had 900 yards rushing going back to college and you’re just shrugging it off. He’s a great player and can get you over 1,600 total yards, but he’s not quite McCaffrey. Maybe that gives him the longevity, but he’s not better than McCaffrey today.



There were guys just like you back in JC’s early days saying he couldn’t shoulder the load.

He wasn’t able to prove he could be the bell cow until his fifth year in the league, Kamara is only going into his fourth.

[neech]

Exactly, he’s got a ton of leverage.

This is the definition of a boom or bust season for NO.

Looks like bust.

[staylor26]

There were guys just like you back in JC’s early days saying he couldn’t shoulder the load.

He wasn’t able to prove he could be the bell cow until his fifth year in the league, Kamara is only going into his fourth.

Jamal had 190 carries for 1,120 yards his second year and 230 carries for 1,476 yards his third. If it weren’t for an ACL injury he would’ve had 1,000+ yards rushing in 4 of his first 5 seasons, the only other season being his rookie year.

This comparison isn’t what you think it is.

[ThaVirus]

Jamal had 190 carries for 1,120 yards his second year and 230 carries for 1,476 yards his third. If it weren’t for an ACL injury he would’ve had 1,000+ yards rushing in 4 of his first 5 seasons, the only other season being his rookie year.

This comparison isn’t what you think it is.


It’s exactly what I’m saying it is. The difference that you’re focusing on is the fact that Charles was better than Kamara.

Jamaal put up 1,400 yards as Thomas Jones’ back up lol apparently even the coaching staff wasn’t sure he could shoulder the load of a feature back, but when he was given the chance, he did so with no issue.

[staylor26]

It’s exactly what I’m saying it is. The difference that you’re focusing on is the fact that Charles was better than Kamara.

Jamaal put up 1,400 yards as Thomas Jones’ back up lol apparently even the coaching staff wasn’t sure he could shoulder the load of a feature back, but when he was given the chance, he did so with no issue.

I’m pointing at the fact that Kamara hasn’t even had 1,000 yards in his career going back to college and you’re pointing at a guy that had 1,000+ yards in 2 of his first 3 seasons (and would’ve done it in 4 of his first 5 if it weren’t for injury).

Jamaal did it often and early in his career. Kamara hasn’t done it at all.

And just like with McCaffrey, Kamara has been less durable with fewer carries.

[Hamwallet]

I think people are fighting because of tiny dick syndrome.

[ThaVirus]

I’m pointing at the fact that Kamara hasn’t even had 1,000 yards in his career going back to college and you’re pointing at a guy that had 1,000+ yards in 2 of his first 3 seasons (and would’ve done it in 4 of his first 5 if it weren’t for injury).

Jamaal did it often and early in his career. Kamara hasn’t done it at all.

And just like with McCaffrey, Kamara has been less durable with fewer carries.


You keep highlighting the fact that Charles broke 1,000 yards while Kamara didn’t which is disingenuous because you’re literally talking about the most efficient RB of all time.

That’s not important. We’re talking about whether or not they can be a feature back. Circa 2009 there were people just like you claiming Jamaal couldn’t carry the load, as you’re doing now with Alvin. He got limited carries in his first three seasons for that very reason. It wasn’t until his fifth season that he got the opportunity to be the bell cow and he did it with no problem. Kamara hasn’t been given the time to prove himself just yet.

There are reasons he hasn’t broken the 900 yard mark and it’s not because he isn’t good enough to do so. Do you really think Kamara couldn’t handle another 5-6 carries per game? If given those extra 100 carries per season, you really don’t think Kamara would crack the 1,000 yard mark? This is a dumb argument.

[Hamwallet]

They are way smaller then first thought.

[Hamwallet]

Channel 8 news. Reporting back soon.

[ThaVirus]

Last season Leonard Fournette, Marlon Mack, Philip Lindsay, Chris Carson, and Carlos Hyde broke 1,000 yards. Sony Michel had over 900 yards.

That list is full is scrubs. You really think Kamara couldn’t exceed those numbers if given the workload? Lol

[staylor26]

You keep highlighting the fact that Charles broke 1,000 yards while Kamara didn’t which is disingenuous because you’re literally talking about the most efficient RB of all time.

That’s not important. We’re talking about whether or not they can be a feature back. Circa 2009 there were people just like you claiming Jamaal couldn’t carry the load, as you’re doing now with Alvin. He got limited carries in his first three seasons for that very reason. It wasn’t until his fifth season that he got the opportunity to be the bell cow and he did it with no problem. Kamara hasn’t been given the time to prove himself just yet.

There are reasons he hasn’t broken the 900 yard mark and it’s not because he isn’t good enough to do so. Do you really think Kamara couldn’t handle another 5-6 carries per game? If given those extra 100 carries per season, you really don’t think Kamara would crack the 1,000 yard mark? This is a dumb argument.

Jamaal had 230 carries in year 3 and you keep pretending like he didn’t have that kind of workload until year 5 and you’re saying I’m being disingenuous?

Never being a 1,000+ yard rusher is relevant when we’re comparing him to McCaffrey as a runner whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

And the “reason he hasn’t broken the 900 yard mark” is because the Saints clearly prefer to pair him with somebody that can split carries and run in between the tackles. Unlike Kamara, Jamaal and McCaffrey proved they can do that consistently on their own.

[staylor26]

Last season Leonard Fournette, Marlon Mack, Philip Lindsay, Chris Carson, and Carlos Hyde broke 1,000 yards. Sony Michel had over 900 yards.

That list is full is scrubs. You really think Kamara couldn’t exceed those numbers if given the workload? Lol

If he was given that kind of workload I think he’d break down fairly quickly. Even Jamaal had only 200+ carries 4 times in his career.

Again, Kamara has been less durable early in his career than Charles and McCaffrey with a smaller workload. Why do you continue to overlook this?

Kamara isn’t injury prone or anything, but he’s battled injuries and he hasn’t even had 200 carries yet. He’s clearly best in the role the Saints use him in, and you’re ignoring that as well.

[ThaVirus]

Jamaal had 230 carries in year 3 and you keep pretending like he didn’t have that kind of workload until year 5 and you’re saying I’m being disingenuous?

Never being a 1,000+ yard rusher is relevant when we’re comparing him to McCaffrey as a runner whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

And the “reason he hasn’t broken the 900 yard mark” is because the Saints clearly prefer to pair him with somebody that can split carries and run in between the tackles. Unlike Kamara, Jamaal and McCaffrey proved they can do that consistently on their own.


In year 3 Jamaal Charles was our backup. He had fewer carries than Thomas Jones. The Chiefs were “pairing him with somebody who could split carries and run in between the tackles”. How is his situation different from Kamara again?

[Bowser]

Kamara to the Colts would make me.....uncomfortable.

[staylor26]

In year 3 Jamaal Charles was our backup. He had fewer carries than Thomas Jones. The Chiefs were “pairing him with somebody who could split carries and run in between the tackles”. How is his situation different from Kamara again?

He had 230 fucking carries. I’m comparing him to Kamara not Thomas fucking Jones.

Kamara has never had 200 carries and has already battled injuries and looked less durable than those guys early in their careers. This is a fact, stop being a fucking moron. So far, he doesn’t look like a guy that can handle that kind of a workload based on the fact that he hasn’t once done it and the Saints clearly feel they shouldn’t attempt to try.

[Mecca]

Kamara to the Colts would make me.....uncomfortable.

They have Marlon Mack and used a 2 on Johnathan Taylor, they aren't going after an expensive RB.

[Mecca]

Kamara isn't Charles, that isn't a great comparison. He is a much better receiver bit he isn't a true workhorse.

[ThaVirus]

He had 230 fucking carries. I’m comparing him to Kamara not Thomas fucking Jones.

Kamara has never had 200 carries and has already battled injuries and looked less durable than those guys early in their careers. This is a fact, stop being a fucking moron. So far, he doesn’t look like a guy that can handle that kind of a workload based on the fact that he hasn’t once done it and the Saints clearly feel they shouldn’t attempt to try.


Thomas Jones was to Jamaal Charles as Mark Ingram was to Alvin Kamara.

Guy’s been in the league for three years and only one of them was marred by injury. The first two years he spent in the league as a backup, just like Jamaal.

Give the guy a couple more seasons before you label him a pussy incapable of being a feature back because, like I said, there was some douche just like you 10 years ago who was saying the same shit about Charles and it turns out he was capable of being the guy the whole time.

[staylor26]

Thomas Jones was to Jamaal Charles as Mark Ingram was to Alvin Kamara.

Guy’s been in the league for three years and only one of them was marred by injury. The first two years he spent in the league as a backup, just like Jamaal.

Give the guy a couple more seasons before you label him a pussy incapable of being a feature back because, like I said, there was some douche just like you 10 years ago who was saying the same shit about Charles and it turns out he was capable of being the guy the whole time.

Kamara has already battled injuries early in his career and you think he’s going to all of a sudden be a workhorse and for multiple seasons?

LMAO

The Saints clearly aren’t going to ever use him that way. Why do you think that is?

[Mecca]

Tennessee didn't even use him that way. He has a unique skill set but he's not a workhorse.

[staylor26]

Tennessee didn't even use him that way. He has a unique skill set but he's not a workhorse.

Exactly. This isn’t some small sample size. He’s been in the league for 3 years, and going back to college this has always been the story. He’s never even had 900 yards in college or the NFL.

He’s the kind of guy that can get you 700-900 yards rushing AND receiving. He’s a great player and definitely top 3, but he is what he is.

Last year was his first year ever as the lead (sort of) guy and he battled knee and ankle injuries all year.

[Mecca]

Kamara is what I thought Reggie Bush would be, ironic I guess.

[O.city]

Why would you even want to give the guy that many carries as a "lead" back anyway? They'll break down faster.

I don't think it's wrong to say he could be a 1000 yard rusher and receiver and play some slot etc.

He's ideal as a RB in today's NFL. As is McCaffery.

[RoyalsAndSaints]

Kamara could be likely getting extended. Just returned to practice today.

[CoMoChief]

AK isn't leaving NO. Hes gonna get a new deal.

They're in a win now mode w/ Brees and what would likely be his last yr or 2 there before he hangs them up.

They ain't winning without AK in the backfield. Both AK and NO know this.

[Kiimo]

Yeah reading a lot of "cooler heads prevail" type tweets coming out now

[Chiefaholic]

Rumor is that Veach has $177 in his pocket. I have no clue what his intent is for the cash.

[Sassy Squatch]

LMAO Now the word is Saints are close to signing Clowney. Wut?

[MVChiefFan]

Rumor is that Veach has $177 in his pocket. I have no clue what his intent is for the cash.

Sign about four future Hall of Famers.

[staylor26]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Saints?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Saints</a> &amp; star RB Alvin Kamara have reached an agreement on a huge 5-year contract extension worth $75M in new money. He gets $77.133M overall and a $15M signing bonus. Kamara cashes in. Agent Damarius Bilbo of Klutch Sports did the deal. �� �� ��</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1304816960165818373?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>