Anthony Lynn says Chargers are going back to Tyrod

[staylor26]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Anthony Lynn elaborating on why Tyrod Taylor is still his starter: &quot;There&#39;s a lot we didn&#39;t get done with Justin on the field yesterday. He&#39;s a backup for a reason.&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chargers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chargers</a></p>&mdash; Daniel Popper (@danielrpopper) <a href="https://twitter.com/danielrpopper/status/1308145762707021824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LMAO

[lewdog]

Can you pick a franchise that makes worse decisions with a fairly talented roster most years?

[poolboy]

oofda?

[staylor26]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wanted to like Anthony Lynn after Hard Knocks. Can’t take him seriously after this. He’s way to close to Tyrod. <a href="https://t.co/NFZ2gHxdQ9">https://t.co/NFZ2gHxdQ9</a></p>&mdash; John Middlekauff (@JohnMiddlekauff) <a href="https://twitter.com/JohnMiddlekauff/status/1308215741271797762?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[JakeF]

Terrible decision. You stay with Herbert for another few games to see if he develops. Taylor isn't going to ever be a Franchise QB, might as well find out if Justin Herbert can be.

[MahiMike]

Ok I agree with the game day thread now. Coach is a dumbass.

[Rasputin]

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[eDave]

Nothing worse than a QB controversy. This is a weird one.

[Bowser]

Well, this is coming from the same guy that doesn't want to go for it on 4th and 1 in overtime against the Chiefs. So yeah.

[Rasputin]

They are dumb on two accounts.

One Justin Herbert has so much more to offer

two Tyrod is a broke dick with chest pain that's really going fuck him up when he gets hit. lol This could fuck his playing career but go ahead and start him.

[Deberg_1990]

Anthony Lynn is racist?

[rydogg58]

As a Chiefs fan, I like this decision.

[SPchief]

It's one thing to switch back to Tyrod.

It's a completely different thing to throw Herbert under the bus like that.

[rabblerouser]

Why the fuck...

Nevermind, let them do it...

[MMXcalibur]

....great season Chargers. Get 'em next year.

[old_geezer]

As a Chiefs fan, I like this decision.

This would be my take also.

[Rain Man]

Anthony Lynn is a visionary who knows how to embrace the future. Here's a video of him speaking to a business school.

(This, by the way, is the moment that I decided that The Office was a great show.)

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[ThyKingdomCome15]

Not controversial

[Coochie liquor]

Anthony Lynn is racist?

Accidentally down thumbed you, then saw who it was and almost didn’t apologize (on general principles). But sorry did not mean to down thumb you. Would finger bang your, if you’re into that??

[lcarus]

Terrible decision. You stay with Herbert for another few games to see if he develops. Taylor isn't going to ever be a Franchise QB, might as well find out if Justin Herbert can be.

Exactly right. What a terrible decision.

[staylor26]

Not controversial

Umm what?

How is it not controversial?

[htismaqe]

Umm what?

How is it not controversial?

It's an unwritten rule in the NFL. Vets don't often lose their job due to an injury.

[Red Dawg]

Ownership is going to allow that? I doubt it.

[Demonpenz]

When hearing the news a distraught helmet threw his playbook across his body into traffic

[Rasputin]

It's an unwritten rule in the NFL. Vets don't often lose their job due to an injury.

I'm still not over King Carl going with Grrbitch over Rich Gannon :cuss:

[htismaqe]

I'm still not over King Carl going with Grrbitch over Rich Gannon :cuss:

Not going to debate it for the 5 millionth time but that 1997 team was completely driven by the defense.

Grbac and Gannon were nearly identical in terms of results. Even statistically they were dead even.

That decision didn't make one lick of difference.

[Rasputin]

"He's a backup for a reason"



That would make me say "fuck you I took it too the Champs and gave them all they could handle."


We had a game plan for Tyrod and I'm sure the rookie took the Chiefs by surprise and he looked like a good prospect that if you are a Chargers fan would be stoked for and cuss not going back to him. Good on them to sit him with that much potential I was worried he'd start the rest of the year and get better.

[stevieray]

That kid played a damn good game, and you're going to pull the rug out on him and throw him under the bus?

Where the Chiefs had to pull out an OT win at the last second?

Stupid.

[Why Not?]

It's one thing to switch back to Tyrod.

It's a completely different thing to throw Herbert under the bus like that.

Really. Why the fuck would you do that?

[Warrick]

I'm happy Lynn is their coach, not only did he give the game away, now he's going to toss the season away as well.

[staylor26]

It's an unwritten rule in the NFL. Vets don't often lose their job due to an injury.

I don’t care about that unwritten rule in this situation.

Tyrod should lose that job because the QB they just invested a top pick on is clearly better right now. Didn’t the same exact thing happen in Cleveland with Baker?

[Halfcan]

The Chargers will be falling apart with injuries after a few more games. They will be a second place team as long as we have Mahomes.

[htismaqe]

I don’t care about that unwritten rule in this situation.

Tyrod should lose that job because the QB they just invested a top pick on is clearly better right now. Didn’t the same exact thing happen in Cleveland with Baker?

Yeah.

Not saying it's right or wrong. It's just not "controversial".

Starting QB's very rarely lose their jobs to injuries.

[staylor26]

Yeah.

Not saying it's right or wrong. It's just not "controversial".

Starting QB's very rarely lose their jobs to injuries.

By “controversial” I just mean it’s a bad move that will and should be criticized. Nobody thought it would be a question after yesterday’s game.

[htismaqe]

By “controversial” I just mean it’s a bad move that will and should be heavily criticized.

Bad move? Yeah, probably.

It won't be heavily criticized because most of the talking heads are former coaches, players, or GM's. They're all part of the "club".

[staylor26]

Bad move? Yeah, probably.

It won't be heavily criticized because most of the talking heads are former coaches, players, or GM's. They're all part of the "club".

Middlekauff wasn’t shy about his feelings :shrug:

[htismaqe]

Middlekauff wasn’t shy about his feelings :shrug:

I'm sure some of the pundits will hate it. Especially the younger ones that don't have all the tradition ingrained in them.

[Megatron96]

I don’t care about that unwritten rule in this situation.

Tyrod should lose that job because the QB they just invested a top pick on is clearly better right now. Didn’t the same exact thing happen in Cleveland with Baker?

I think it's clear that the Chargers had a plan for Herbert similar to the one the Chiefs had for Mahomes, and they apparently want to hold to that plan for now. I admit I'm surprised because even I thought they'd start Herbert after his performance yesterday. But maybe they know something about Herbert's stage of development that didn't show in yesterday's game that they don't want to expose right now or this season.

At any rate, Herbert looked pretty good in his impromptu debut. It'll be interesting to see how long they keep him on the bench.

[wazu]

They really are led by the spirit of Marty.

[Chiefspants]

Not going to debate it for the 5 millionth time but that 1997 team was completely driven by the defense.

Grbac and Gannon were nearly identical in terms of results. Even statistically they were dead even.

That decision didn't make one lick of difference.

Yes it did. Grbac had to call 3 critical timeouts for literally being “out of breath.” He was not conditioned enough to be playing.

Losing those timeouts was a big part of why the Chiefs 2 minute drill fell apart on the final drive.

[Mecca]

This is entirely about his personal relationship with Tyrod, Lynn coached him in Buffalo.

I read Taylor didn't have a chest injury, he got an injection for a rib injury and it gave him side effects which is how he ended up at the hospital.

[JD10367]

I don’t care about that unwritten rule in this situation.

Tyrod should lose that job because the QB they just invested a top pick on is clearly better right now. Didn’t the same exact thing happen in Cleveland with Baker?

Drew Bledsoe says hi.

[Titty Meat]

Lynn looks like the dad on Dinosaurs

[DRM08]

I don’t care about that unwritten rule in this situation.

Tyrod should lose that job because the QB they just invested a top pick on is clearly better right now. Didn’t the same exact thing happen in Cleveland with Baker?

Yep, very similar situation. If Tyrod is still having health issues next week and Herbert plays well again, I think that might be the end of it for Tyrod. At some point the owner is not going to allow the coach to keep the high draft pick on the bench if he's playing so well.

[Gadzooks]

Lynn has a "type" for his QBs. Herbert doesn't quite fit the "type". Rivers certainly didn't fit the "type".

[TinyEvel]

What a bastard for twisting the knife. How would you like to be Herbert right now?

Just, no matter how you feel you keep it vague or nice. What a dipshit, or asshole, or both.

Dick move, bruh.

[The Franchise]

Dude literally came out and said “Did we win the game? Because I’m pretty sure that we lost that one.”

[UChieffyBugger]

Lynn has a "type" for his QBs. Herbert doesn't quite fit the "type". Rivers certainly didn't fit the "type".

And what "type" is that exactly? Lynn is the man who will have been in the room when they picked Herbert...so apparently Tue and Love were not his "type" either.

And as for this topic...LOL why the hell are CHIEFS fans bothered about Herbert? Smh who cares? The kid came in and played a team who had half of it's best defense MISSING and had not prepared for him and despite doing well in the first half he could only muster TWO FREAKING FIELD GOALS for the entire second half AND overtime...so folks need to quit like the kid is Dan Marino.

Tyrod knows the playbook and they will have built their whole scheme around his skillset..so it's no surprise they want to stick with the experienced vet for now.

[Gadzooks]

And what "type" is that exactly? Lynn is the man who will have been in the room when they picked Herbert...so apparently Tue and Love were not his "type" either.


Lynn likes a conservative passer who's mobile.
Tua was off the board and Lynn only had input on the pick. It's ultimately up to the GM and owner's son.

[Mahomes_Is_God]

Thank god for Anthony Lynn. Play Tyrod forever buddy. Just go ahead and ship that Herbert kid off to the NFC, he obviously sucks and is a bust.

[big nasty kcnut]

Tyrod is not a starting qb he more a spot starter the rook a better player.

[Gadzooks]

Tyrod is not a starting qb he more a spot starter the rook a better player.

You've got that right big nasty kcunt. :thumb:

[scho63]

As bad as going with Grbac over Gannon.

[Couch-Potato]

I wouldn't' have said it like that if I were him, rookie QB's ego an all. Why not say "He did a great job for us out there, but we still want to see what Tyrod can show us."

[Buehler445]

It's one thing to switch back to Tyrod.

It's a completely different thing to throw Herbert under the bus like that.

Yeah, there are 2 different elements to his quote.

1. We're sticking with Tyrod. K. Dumb, but K.

2. He's a backup for a reason. LOL

[Red Dawg]

Lynn is done after this year. He has brought them nothing.

[Deberg_1990]

What a bastard for twisting the knife. How would you like to be Herbert right now?

Just, no matter how you feel you keep it vague or nice. What a dipshit, or asshole, or both.

Dick move, bruh.

Herbert knows deep down he will be there much longer than Anthony Lynn.

[jjchieffan]

Meh, one game doesn't mean a whole lot. He absolutely looked great, but I'm sure that some more time on the bench will be more beneficial for him in the long run. Minschew looked like a superstar against the Chiefs last year after Foles got injured. But he eventually got pulled for Foles later in the season due to lackluster play. Lynn has a plan for the kid. No sense in changing that plan over one game. If his plan was to start day 1 and he came out and had a horrible game, you wouldn't say bench him and scrap that plan. You shouldn't change the plan in this case either

[chiefzilla1501]

This is stupid beyond words.

[KChiefs1]

This would be like starting the 2017 season with a pathetic win vs the Bungles, which should have went to OT, then coming home to face the Patriots & having Mahomes give that kinda performance & Andy going back to Alex afterwards.

Stupid

CP would have a meltdown.

[chiefzilla1501]

Meh, one game doesn't mean a whole lot. He absolutely looked great, but I'm sure that some more time on the bench will be more beneficial for him in the long run. Minschew looked like a superstar against the Chiefs last year after Foles got injured. But he eventually got pulled for Foles later in the season due to lackluster play. Lynn has a plan for the kid. No sense in changing that plan over one game. If his plan was to start day 1 and he came out and had a horrible game, you wouldn't say bench him and scrap that plan. You shouldn't change the plan in this case either

Sitting rookie QBs is no longer really a thing. If you're talking about a work in progress like mahomes and have a solid veteran like Alex Smith fine. The chargers have none of those things. It's possible they don't think herbert is at all ready but his mechanics and confidence looked beyond fine.

[Chris Meck]

Dumb.

Kid made a couple of dumb rookie mistakes, but also made some throws that maybe a handful of QB's could even attempt. Talent is apparent.

[dlphg9]

This would be like starting the 2017 season with a pathetic win vs the Bungles, which should have went to OT, then coming home to face the Patriots & having Mahomes give that kinda performance & Andy going back to Alex afterwards.

Stupid

CP would have a meltdown.

That's exactly what would have happened. But the situations aren't the same at all.

Reid made it absolutely clear that Alex was the starter.

Alex had led us to several double digit win seasons and was not going to lose his job due to an injury. Hell Alex doesn't lose his job even if Mahomes comes out and looks like he did in 2018 and we win the game.

Tyrod Taylor is a 31 year old journeyman QB and has only had marginal success for 3 seasons. In those 3 seasons he averaged 2953 passing yards, 17 TDs, and went 22-20 in Buffalo.

Tyrod has no future in LA and hasn't earned shit there.

Im putting this in bold because its just completely insane to me:

In the first game he has started and only the second game in which he's been in the league, Justin Herbert has tied Tyrod Taylor in games with 300+ passing yards

Tyrod hasn't earned shit and should be riding the bench watching Herb the Perv.

[dlphg9]

Dumb.

Kid made a couple of dumb rookie mistakes, but also made some throws that maybe a handful of QB's could even attempt. Talent is apparent.

I didnt see any of those types of throws.

[Deberg_1990]

Id be pissed if i were a Bolts fan.

Lynn sounds delusion. Some of these coaches are so risk averse its nuts. Tyrod Taylor is never go to win you anything. You should be putting a great deal of time and energy trying to coach up Herbert. quit wasting your time on inferior talent that has no upside.

[dirk digler]

As I said in the other thread Lynn is an average coach and he proved it when he didn't go for it on 4th. He was a good player but he won't be anything better than he is now coaching.

[DJ's left nut]

Look - I think he's wrong here. Herbert's clearly their future.

Buuuuuut - I think we've seen what Lynn thinks about his football team. He thinks this is a SB caliber defense w/ an offense that can grind out wins if his QB doesn't do anything to cut their throats.

And he's probably right w/r/t the defense - that's a hell of a tough unit. So I think he's looking at the next 6 weeks or so and thinking "okay, I don't have a full install w/ Herbert because he doesn't quite know the playbook..." and that's a fair belief. Herbert DID screw the pooch on that 3rd down inside the 5. And Herbert DID make a back-breaking rookie mistake on that interception. I mean that was a truly awful decision.

So Lynn's probably thinking that if he can pull off 4-2 w/ Taylor and his savage defense winning game 20-13 over the next 6 weeks, Herbert can come far enough along to maybe be able to add some nitrous to the offense down the stretch.

He doesn't want Herbert's growing pains to cost him a win or two over this first half of the season, a win that could keep them out of the post-season. If he can use Herbert as a bullpen of sorts, where Taylor keeps them alive for 5 innings and then Herbert comes in more fully formed over the latter 1/3 - 1/2 of the season to take things to the next level, maybe he can take advantage of the expanded playoff field and do some damage.

He's trying to get the best of both worlds, IMO. He's trying to ensure that they don't do anything to actively cost themselves a win or two that may cost them the playoffs while further coaching up/teaching Herbert so he can come in with a full playbook later on.

The starter has to deal with weekly installs - it's a different role than the holistic learning of the offense that Herbert still needs to do, IMO. If he can let Taylor focus on weekly gameplanning while Herbert continues to focus his attention on a more 1,000 mile understanding of the system, it will make Herbert more prepared for the end-game in December(ish) when he may be able to make them playoff dangerous.

I think Lynn understands how thin their margin for error here is so he's trying to walk it as best he can.

It's not what I'd do because I don't have as much confidence in his team as he does. But he clearly thinks this team can win with its D and be a truly dangerous post-season squad. In the meantime, he doesn't want Herbert making those 2-3 major mistakes/gm that could cut their throat.

Because lets face it - Herbert's 2nd half featured one good throw and 2 very significant, game-changing mistakes. And Herberts touchdowns were both on plays Taylor could've made.

I understand his reasoning here even if it isn't what I'd have done.

[JohnnyHammersticks]

Great move Anthony Lynn!!!

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[dlphg9]

And Herberts touchdowns were both on plays Taylor could've made.

Blasphemy! The passing TD was the greatest throw ever and no one in the history of the world would even attempt to make that throw.

- Tony Romo

I usually really enjoy Romo, but good God, his hyping of Herbert was driving me nuts. He was so over the top about what Herbert was doing it was annoying as hell.

[DJ's left nut]

Blasphemy! The passing TD was the greatest throw ever and no one in the history of the world would even attempt to make that throw.

- Tony Romo

I usually really enjoy Romo, but good God, his hyping of Herbert was driving me nuts. He was so over the top about what Herbert was doing it was annoying as hell.

Yeah, I kinda wonder if some of this "Herbert was God!" is a result of Romo really fueling it during the broadcast. He's blabbing about Herbert moving Fenton with his eyes but it looked to me like Fenton just kinda lost where he was on the field. And it was CLEARLY a designed play - you telling me a 10 year veteran in Taylor (who's always been steady and even once made a pro-bowl) can't execute a simple look-off? There was nothing remarkable about that play - Fenton just didn't play the coverage terribly well.

I mean...he was fine. But the throw he made in the 3rd quarter right past Mathieu (I think to Allen) on 3rd and 10 was the only throw where I thought "damn, that was a baller-ass throw right there..."

Then he throws 2 incompletions and the drive stalls w/ a FG. And the very next drive he unquestionably fucked up and that pick is what allowed the Chiefs to stay alive. If he just tucks that ball he probably runs it to the 20 and that's absolutely what Taylor would've done.

I re-watched the game last night and really, Herbert was okay. I mostly just kept coming away from drive after drive surprised by how little life the Chiefs showed.

I don't think Herbert did much to show that he's some led-pipe cinch to win more games than Taylor over the next several weeks. And ultimately I think he can still learn a lot in that period before you hand him the reigns down the stretch.

[Sassy Squatch]

LMAO Lynn and Desmond King are in a bit of a Twitter spat now.

[DJ's left nut]

LMAO Lynn and Desmond King are in a bit of a Twitter spat now.

Yeah - Kings a pending UFA who's one year removed from a Pro Bowl.

Not terribly surprising that he's not pleased about not really being in the Chargers DB rotation.

They should probably see if they can coax a 3rd out of someone. A 4th is more likely. I'd probably hold him if the best they can do is a 5.

But he has value and if he's not playing, he'll be justifiably pissed off about the loss of earning potential and that could be a problem, especially for a team built around it's defense.

Hell, I'd like to have him. Not sure I'd give up a 4 for a pending FA when we've already gotten through 2 of our 4 Breeland suspension games and he probably won't be up to speed in this D until around week 6-8. The Chargers should've probably made a move in the off-season.

[chiefzilla1501]

Look - I think he's wrong here. Herbert's clearly their future.

Buuuuuut - I think we've seen what Lynn thinks about his football team. He thinks this is a SB caliber defense w/ an offense that can grind out wins if his QB doesn't do anything to cut their throats.

And he's probably right w/r/t the defense - that's a hell of a tough unit. So I think he's looking at the next 6 weeks or so and thinking "okay, I don't have a full install w/ Herbert because he doesn't quite know the playbook..." and that's a fair belief. Herbert DID screw the pooch on that 3rd down inside the 5. And Herbert DID make a back-breaking rookie mistake on that interception. I mean that was a truly awful decision.

So Lynn's probably thinking that if he can pull off 4-2 w/ Taylor and his savage defense winning game 20-13 over the next 6 weeks, Herbert can come far enough along to maybe be able to add some nitrous to the offense down the stretch.

He doesn't want Herbert's growing pains to cost him a win or two over this first half of the season, a win that could keep them out of the post-season. If he can use Herbert as a bullpen of sorts, where Taylor keeps them alive for 5 innings and then Herbert comes in more fully formed over the latter 1/3 - 1/2 of the season to take things to the next level, maybe he can take advantage of the expanded playoff field and do some damage.

He's trying to get the best of both worlds, IMO. He's trying to ensure that they don't do anything to actively cost themselves a win or two that may cost them the playoffs while further coaching up/teaching Herbert so he can come in with a full playbook later on.

The starter has to deal with weekly installs - it's a different role than the holistic learning of the offense that Herbert still needs to do, IMO. If he can let Taylor focus on weekly gameplanning while Herbert continues to focus his attention on a more 1,000 mile understanding of the system, it will make Herbert more prepared for the end-game in December(ish) when he may be able to make them playoff dangerous.

I think Lynn understands how thin their margin for error here is so he's trying to walk it as best he can.

It's not what I'd do because I don't have as much confidence in his team as he does. But he clearly thinks this team can win with its D and be a truly dangerous post-season squad. In the meantime, he doesn't want Herbert making those 2-3 major mistakes/gm that could cut their throat.

Because lets face it - Herbert's 2nd half featured one good throw and 2 very significant, game-changing mistakes. And Herberts touchdowns were both on plays Taylor could've made.

I understand his reasoning here even if it isn't what I'd have done.

If that's the case run the offense like Joe burrow. A ton of well executed short, makeable passes. Or the way the steelers kid gloved big Ben his rookie year. That I get. Herbert's floor is tyrod Taylor. So you get to develop a rookie and very good chance by seasons end you get a much better qb. Its odd to hitch your wagon to a 31 year old qb who built a mediocre career out of running the ball.

Cleveland made the qb change with tyrod and baker almost led them to an improbable playoff berth. They probably wish they could get those 2 gross weeks with tyrod back.

[RunKC]

I actually agree with this move. Herbert didn’t have OTA’s, he didn’t have real practices and he never took a single snap under center at Oregon per Nantz on the broadcast.

I get it. He looked good. But most of that was our own goddamn doing. Hitchens blowing the RB assignment by almost 35 yards, Thornhill missing an easy INT. We also didn’t know he was playing so we had zero prep or knowledge about the kid. Truthfully the kid got lucky.

They have to seriously dumb down the playbook for him bc he has very little experience or knowledge. If this was a normal year, then year I’d say do it, but he’s still very green mentally.

I would try to stretch this out til about mid season. Give Herbert more time to learn the playbook.

[chiefzilla1501]

I wonder how much of this is driven by Anthony Lynn wanting to keep his job. Roll with tyrod, then get a late season surge when you're forced to roll with herbert. Then tell your front office you didn't make the playoffs but finished the season on a high note. We've seen this movie many times before. Many thought hue Jackson started tyrod over hue to save his job too.

[chiefzilla1501]

I actually agree with this move. Herbert didn’t have OTA’s, he didn’t have real practices and he never took a single snap under center at Oregon per Nantz on the broadcast.

I get it. He looked good. But most of that was our own goddamn doing. Hitchens blowing the RB assignment by almost 35 yards, Thornhill missing an easy INT. We also didn’t know he was playing so we had zero prep or knowledge about the kid. Truthfully the kid got lucky.

They have to seriously dumb down the playbook for him bc he has very little experience or knowledge. If this was a normal year, then year I’d say do it, but he’s still very green mentally.

I would try to stretch this out til about mid season. Give Herbert more time to learn the playbook.
That's a fair point. The OTAs no, but maybe drilling into him running outside of the shotgun makes sense

[DJ's left nut]

If that's the case run the offense like Joe burrow. A ton of well executed short, makeable passes. Or the way the steelers kid gloved big Ben his rookie year. That I get. Herbert's floor is tyrod Taylor. So you get to develop a rookie and very good chance by seasons end you get a much better qb. Its odd to hitch your wagon to a 31 year old qb who built a mediocre career out of running the ball.

Cleveland made the qb change with tyrod and baker almost led them to an improbable playoff berth. They probably wish they could get those 2 gross weeks with tyrod back.

How does slapping training wheels on Herbert and limping your offense along help the Chargers OR Justin Herbert?

I'm not saying keep him on the pine all year - I'm saying that another 6-8 weeks as a backup won't fundamentally alter his trajectory and in fact may speed his long-term development along by allowing him to focus on learning the technical aspects of quarterbacking AND the overarching concepts of an NFL offense.

Your plan is playing Herbert just to play him. It doesn't make the Chargers better and it doesn't make Herbert better. It just plays the rookie because he's there.

You don't take a kid as green as Herbert is and try to play his slice while trying to correct it on the fly.

Let the kid learn and give him his live-fire run in the latter half of the season. The Chargers are better in the near and long term that way and Justin Herbert will likely benefit over any meaningful timeline from it as well.

[htismaqe]

Yeah, I kinda wonder if some of this "Herbert was God!" is a result of Romo really fueling it during the broadcast. He's blabbing about Herbert moving Fenton with his eyes but it looked to me like Fenton just kinda lost where he was on the field. And it was CLEARLY a designed play - you telling me a 10 year veteran in Taylor (who's always been steady and even once made a pro-bowl) can't execute a simple look-off? There was nothing remarkable about that play - Fenton just didn't play the coverage terribly well.

I mean...he was fine. But the throw he made in the 3rd quarter right past Mathieu (I think to Allen) on 3rd and 10 was the only throw where I thought "damn, that was a baller-ass throw right there..."

Then he throws 2 incompletions and the drive stalls w/ a FG. And the very next drive he unquestionably fucked up and that pick is what allowed the Chiefs to stay alive. If he just tucks that ball he probably runs it to the 20 and that's absolutely what Taylor would've done.

I re-watched the game last night and really, Herbert was okay. I mostly just kept coming away from drive after drive surprised by how little life the Chiefs showed.

I don't think Herbert did much to show that he's some led-pipe cinch to win more games than Taylor over the next several weeks. And ultimately I think he can still learn a lot in that period before you hand him the reigns down the stretch.

As you said, the TD throw was 100% Fenton reacting to the up man and vacating his deep 3rd zone. It was nice throw but the dude was wide open because Fenton didn't get deep enough.

Furthermore, Herbert's terrible interception was likely more of a factor in losing the game than any of Lynn's play calling decisions.

[DJ's left nut]

As you said, the TD throw was 100% Fenton reacting to the up man and vacating his deep 3rd zone. It was nice throw but the dude was wide open because Fenton didn't get deep enough.

Furthermore, Herbert's terrible interception was likely more of a factor in losing the game than any of Lynn's play calling decisions.

Right.

The two most critical plays of the game, at least in terms of Herbert impacting the outcomes, were negatives for Herbert. The pick was inexcusable and the 3rd down play was excusable BECAUSE he's so young but also as demonstrative of anything as to why he needs more seasoning on the bench.

Those plays can't happen for a defense-first team w/ any sort of playoff aspirations. And with that defense, it's clear that Lynn thinks they can be a post-season squad.

[htismaqe]

If that's the case run the offense like Joe burrow. A ton of well executed short, makeable passes. Or the way the steelers kid gloved big Ben his rookie year. That I get. Herbert's floor is tyrod Taylor. So you get to develop a rookie and very good chance by seasons end you get a much better qb. Its odd to hitch your wagon to a 31 year old qb who built a mediocre career out of running the ball.

Cleveland made the qb change with tyrod and baker almost led them to an improbable playoff berth. They probably wish they could get those 2 gross weeks with tyrod back.

Herbert's floor is NOT Tyrod Taylor. Taylor may not have the flashy downfield stats but he owns a career TD-INT ratio of nearly THREE to 1.

Herbert's floor could easily be 1:3.

Turnovers are critically important in the NFL and Herbert already committed one that had a direct influence on a loss.

[Mecca]

I thought Herbert played pretty well for a guy making his first start, at the same time he faced a defense missing half it's lineup that didn't prepare to face him at all so that plays in too.

[chiefzilla1501]

How does slapping training wheels on Herbert and limping your offense along help the Chargers OR Justin Herbert?

I'm not saying keep him on the pine all year - I'm saying that another 6-8 weeks as a backup won't fundamentally alter his trajectory and in fact may speed his long-term development along by allowing him to focus on learning the technical aspects of quarterbacking AND the overarching concepts of an NFL offense.

Your plan is playing Herbert just to play him. It doesn't make the Chargers better and it doesn't make Herbert better. It just plays the rookie because he's there.

You don't take a kid as green as Herbert is and try to play his slice while trying to correct it on the fly.

Let the kid learn and give him his live-fire run in the latter half of the season. The Chargers are better in the near and long term that way and Justin Herbert will likely benefit over any meaningful timeline from it as well.

You can't get greener than Carson wentz and Josh Allen. Herbert isn't going to be ruined unless hes easily rattled or his mechanics are a complete mess. Doubt that's the case. He is way less green than mahomes was. He gives the team a better chance of winning now than tyrod and the in game experience is incredibly valuable. And he has a perfect situation where the team can help him out. I just don't see the downside of playing him. It's just not as risky these days to immediately throw a qb into the fire.

[DJ's left nut]

Herbert's floor is NOT Tyrod Taylor. Taylor may not have the flashy downfield stats but he owns a career TD-INT ratio of nearly THREE to 1.

Herbert's floor could easily be 1:3.

Turnovers are critically important in the NFL and Herbert already committed one that had a direct influence on a loss.

I said this back when we had Smith - someone explain to me the difference between Tyrod Taylor and Alex Smith. They're the same damn guy.

The 2015 Chiefs after Charles went down are such a good analogue for that Chargers squad. A deep, talented secondary with a strong pass-rush and a dink/dunk offense led by a safe quarterback throwing to a technician of a WR (Maclin v. Allen) and an athletic TE (young Kelce vs. Henry).

The Chiefs used a backfield rotation of West/Ward (a poor man's Ekeler/Jackson) to complement their underneath passing and leaned into a strong defensive front to win 11 straight games, win a post-season game and at could've put a real scare into NE had Maclin been healthy and forced BB to be more honest in how he covered TK.

If you threw 2015 Alex Smith on the 2020 Chargers, they'd be a tough out. And in Tyrod Taylor that's almost exactly what you're doing. Moreover, Houston was hurt in 2015 and the Chiefs didn't have a Mike Williams. AND the Chargers RBs are quite a bit better than ours were. The Chargers almost certainly have more raw talent on both sides of the ball than the 2015 Chiefs had.

I just don't understand this idea that Herbert, who made two catastrophic rookie mistakes, is clearly going to be no worse than Taylor for the next several weeks. That's just not accurate. And by sitting him for a bit, you're not impacting his long-term development, especially in a season w/ a truncated off-season.

[DJ's left nut]

You can't get greener than Carson wentz and Josh Allen. Herbert isn't going to be ruined unless hes easily rattled or his mechanics are a complete mess. Doubt that's the case. He is way less green than mahomes was. He gives the team a better chance of winning now than tyrod and the in game experience is incredibly valuable. And he has a perfect situation where the team can help him out. I just don't see the downside of playing him. It's just not as risky these days to immediately throw a qb into the fire.

Why? How?

What did he do on Sunday that Taylor doesn't do? None of his scoring drives were beyond Taylor's ability and both of his major mistakes are mistakes that Taylor doesn't make.

What have you seen to suggest that he's clearly a superior option to Taylor?

Tyrod Taylor isn't Matt Cassel. He's not an actively bad quarterback. He's a veteran placeholder who will make your team exactly as good as it is.

The downside is EXACTLY what you saw in the 2nd half of that game Sunday when he was more responsible for the Chargers losing that ballgame than anything Anthony Lynn did. He simply was not as good as you seem to think he was and you're hand-waiving his mistakes while simultaneously saying "What's the worst that could happen" - uh...exactly what DID happen.

[htismaqe]

The Chiefs likely lose that game if Taylor is playing. The dump offs and running game were working early.

[htismaqe]

Why? How?

What did he do on Sunday that Taylor doesn't do? None of his scoring drives were beyond Taylor's ability and both of his major mistakes are mistakes that Taylor doesn't make.

What have you seen to suggest that he's clearly a superior option to Taylor?

Tyrod Taylor isn't Matt Cassel. He's not an actively bad quarterback. He's a veteran placeholder who will make your team exactly as good as it is.

The downside is EXACTLY what you saw in the 2nd half of that game Sunday when he was more responsible for the Chargers losing that ballgame than anything Anthony Lynn did. He simply was not as good as you seem to think he was and you're hand-waiving his mistakes while simultaneously saying "What's the worst that could happen" - uh...exactly what DID happen.

It's Smith Mahomes Syndrome.

The transition from Smith to Mahomes was so striking, Chiefs fan think every team should just get it over with and do it now.

We, as fans, have the luxury of looking at next year and the year's beyond and thinking "well, they won't win a Super Bowl this year, might as well punt".

That's just not how the NFL works.

[DJ's left nut]

The Chiefs likely lose that game if Taylor is playing. The dump offs and running game were working early.

This is kinda what happened w/ my real-time thoughts on Lynn's decision to punt as well.

On first viewing, I thought Herbert did a lot to keep them alive in that game. On a second watch, I think you're probably right. Once I watched a little more closely (as opposed to trying to wrangle children around a pool and barbecue) I was able to actually review what happened instead of just listening to Romo wax poetically on the greatness of Justin Herbert.

And I realized that Herbert wasn't nearly as great as the commentary made him seem. He easily took as much off the table as he brought to it. Again, in that 2nd half he was a significant part of the problem for LAC.

[Perineum Ripper]

Herbert's floor is NOT Tyrod Taylor. Taylor may not have the flashy downfield stats but he owns a career TD-INT ratio of nearly THREE to 1.

Herbert's floor could easily be 1:3.

Turnovers are critically important in the NFL and Herbert already committed one that had a direct influence on a loss.



Well I know who could solve this problem and set us all straight. We have a member of this board who has stated, that he knows more than every head coach/gm. So we need to get Ublowjob or whatever his name is in here. He has stated he would take Veach to school on football knowledge.

[tooge]

Racist!

[chiefzilla1501]

I said this back when we had Smith - someone explain to me the difference between Tyrod Taylor and Alex Smith. They're the same damn guy.

The 2015 Chiefs after Charles went down are such a good analogue for that Chargers squad. A deep, talented secondary with a strong pass-rush and a dink/dunk offense led by a safe quarterback throwing to a technician of a WR (Maclin v. Allen) and an athletic TE (young Kelce vs. Henry).

The Chiefs used a backfield rotation of West/Ward (a poor man's Ekeler/Jackson) to complement their underneath passing and leaned into a strong defensive front to win 11 straight games, win a post-season game and at could've put a real scare into NE had Maclin been healthy and forced BB to be more honest in how he covered TK.

If you threw 2015 Alex Smith on the 2020 Chargers, they'd be a tough out. And in Tyrod Taylor that's almost exactly what you're doing.

I just don't understand this idea that Herbert, who made two catastrophic rookie mistakes, is clearly going to be no worse than Taylor for the next several weeks. That's just not accurate. And by sitting him for a bit, you're not impacting his long-term development, especially in a season w/ a truncated off-season.

I was cool with the decision to start Alex for one year. Alex is a way better QB than tyrod. Alex did actually give us an outside shot to win one, much as I was excited about Mahomes eventually taking over. It was respectful to Alex and made it easier to let him go. It took a ton of pressure off mahomes and Reid (Reid would have been crucified if mahomes wasn't nails from the get go). And in the end we ended up with great trade value. Theres quite a huge difference between replacing a franchise staple like Alex or Eli vs replacing a stopgap like Tyrod.

That's not even getting into mahomes being way more of a work in progress at the time.

The better example is the browns starting tyrod over baker a few years ago. They shouldn't have done that and arguably it could have costed them a playoff berth.

[dirk digler]

I heard some crazy stat the other day about Tyrod and wish I could find it but IIRC when he starts as QB the team averages like high single digits or low double digits in scoring. Rex Ryan even said he can't score enough and he coached him.

Just compare his performance against the Bungles to Herbert's. Tyrod was 16-30 for 208 yds while Herbert was 22-33 for 311 yds 1TD and 1 INT.

[teedubya]

That kid played a damn good game, and you're going to pull the rug out on him and throw him under the bus?

Where the Chiefs had to pull out an OT win at the last second?

Stupid.

Pretty much exactly what I was going to say. Herbert looked GREAT at times... definitely had flashes of brilliance. He gave me the feeling of... oh, the Chargers are going to be tough for a few years.

[Shoes]

Herbert's floor is NOT Tyrod Taylor. Taylor may not have the flashy downfield stats but he owns a career TD-INT ratio of nearly THREE to 1.

Herbert's floor could easily be 1:3.

Turnovers are critically important in the NFL and Herbert already committed one that had a direct influence on a loss.

Don't tout Tyrod's TD to INT ratio, gives me Alex Smith flashbacks.

I thought Herbert played well all things considered but there were only 2 throws that I was really impressed with (Keenan Allen over the middle in tight coverage + the TD to the back cone). Pretty pedestrian 300 yard game, majority of his throws were to the half backs and screen game. Big stat that I thought was extremely important was that the Chiefs defense didn't force any negative yardage plays until the 3rd quarter I believe. Our defense made it really easy for the Chargers to stay ahead of the chains and on schedule.

In regards to Herbert/Tyrod I would actually agree I think it is a little too early for Herbert. If the Bolts defense can consistently play like they did Sunday, they can win with either quarterback. Give Herbert some more time to marinate, I suspect the difference of QB play between Tyrod/Herbert isn't that large.

Now if Herbert comes out and starts again next Sunday and has another terrific performance, perhaps my mind changes.

[htismaqe]

I heard some crazy stat the other day about Tyrod and wish I could find it but IIRC when he starts as QB the team averages like high single digits or low double digits in scoring. Rex Ryan even said he can't score enough.

Just compare his performance against the Bungles to Herbert's. Tyrod was 16-30 for 208 yds while Herbert was 22-33 for 311 yds 1TD and 1 INT.

Tyrod with 1 win.

Herbert with 1 loss.

The margins for error in the NFL are razor thin. That team is built around the defense. You simply cannot turn the ball over and expect to win and that's exactly what Herbert did.

People tend to forget that Alex Smith, with a good defense, won a playoff game for the Chiefs for the first time in two decades.

[htismaqe]

Pretty much exactly what I was going to say. Herbert looked GREAT at times... definitely had flashes of brilliance. He gave me the feeling of... oh, the Chargers are going to be tough for a few years.

Herbert had a couple of nice throws. I wouldn't say there were flashes of brilliance.

And the INT he threw was absolutely inexcusable.

[chiefzilla1501]

Herbert's floor is NOT Tyrod Taylor. Taylor may not have the flashy downfield stats but he owns a career TD-INT ratio of nearly THREE to 1.

Herbert's floor could easily be 1:3.

Turnovers are critically important in the NFL and Herbert already committed one that had a direct influence on a loss.

As Alex Smith got older he became a much more judicious pocket passer. Take away his legs and Alex could still beat you. I don't see that with tyrod. As he gets older the holes in his game just get bigger. Maybe he's different than what I saw in Cleveland. But it seemed to me that without his legs he becomes an even dinkier and dunkier version of Alex Smith. What does he still have left at 31 considering so much of his already mediocre game is built around running. I guess we'll find out.

[DJ's left nut]

I was cool with the decision to start Alex for one year. Alex is a way better QB than tyrod. Alex did actually give us an outside shot to win one, much as I was excited about Mahomes eventually taking over. It was respectful to Alex and made it easier to let him go. It took a ton of pressure off mahomes and Reid (Reid would have been crucified if mahomes wasn't nails from the get go). And in the end we ended up with great trade value. Theres quite a huge difference between replacing a franchise staple like Alex or Eli vs replacing a stopgap like Tyrod.

That's not even getting into mahomes being way more of a work in progress at the time.

The better example is the browns starting tyrod over baker a few years ago. They shouldn't have done that and arguably it could have costed them a playoff berth.

I think the idea that Mahomes was more of a work in progress has been pretty well established as a farce at this point. Even with the benefit of hindsight, his Broncos game makes it clear that his improvisational and playmaking abilities were simply innate.

But I'm not trying to discuss that sit/start decision at all - it's not germane here at all, IMO.

As for Taylor's performance in Cleveland - look at his career and tell me which season is the outlier. He played poorly in Cleveland but it was also well outside the trend he'd established as a starter the 3 seasons prior. Additionally, you cite the switch to Mayfield as the catalyst for the Browns improved performance, but let's not forget that the Browns went 1-4 w/ Baker Mayfield under center and Hugh Jackson as the HC (and Todd Haley as the OC). It wasn't until Greg Williams and Freddie Kitchens took the reigns that the Browns showed any life.

But a 1-1-1 record w/ Taylor is what kept them out of the playoffs? I think not. Especially not when the tie was to a Steelers team that started the season 7-2-1 and a 13-3 NOLA squad. No, starting Taylor made no impact on that playoff season. And ultimately Baker's lack of forward progress makes you question how much help he actually provided in that late season push to .500 for Cleveland.

Taylor was a good, solid, game-manager of a QB in Buffalo. That's who he'll be in SD. They can make the post-season with that, especially if Taylor acts as a band-aid that allows Herbert to gain a more fundamental understanding of the offense in the process.

[DJ's left nut]

Don't tout Tyrod's TD to INT ratio, gives me Alex Smith flashbacks.

I thought Herbert played well all things considered but there were only 2 throws that I was really impressed with (Keenan Allen over the middle in tight coverage + the TD to the back cone). Pretty pedestrian 300 yard game, majority of his throws were to the half backs and screen game. Big stat that I thought was extremely important was that the Chiefs defense didn't force any negative yardage plays until the 3rd quarter I believe. Our defense made it really easy for the Chargers to stay ahead of the chains and on schedule.

And that TD was a throw that Taylor would've made as well. Fenton just completely ate shit on that coverage. That was as easy a pitch/catch as you'll find in the NFL.

Like I said - he made one genuinely good throw on Sunday. That throw to Allen was the only toss he made that Taylor wouldn't/couldn't have made.

[dirk digler]

I said this back when we had Smith - someone explain to me the difference between Tyrod Taylor and Alex Smith. They're the same damn guy.

The 2015 Chiefs after Charles went down are such a good analogue for that Chargers squad. A deep, talented secondary with a strong pass-rush and a dink/dunk offense led by a safe quarterback throwing to a technician of a WR (Maclin v. Allen) and an athletic TE (young Kelce vs. Henry).

The Chiefs used a backfield rotation of West/Ward (a poor man's Ekeler/Jackson) to complement their underneath passing and leaned into a strong defensive front to win 11 straight games, win a post-season game and at could've put a real scare into NE had Maclin been healthy and forced BB to be more honest in how he covered TK.

If you threw 2015 Alex Smith on the 2020 Chargers, they'd be a tough out. And in Tyrod Taylor that's almost exactly what you're doing. Moreover, Houston was hurt in 2015 and the Chiefs didn't have a Mike Williams. AND the Chargers RBs are quite a bit better than ours were. The Chargers almost certainly have more raw talent on both sides of the ball than the 2015 Chiefs had.

I just don't understand this idea that Herbert, who made two catastrophic rookie mistakes, is clearly going to be no worse than Taylor for the next several weeks. That's just not accurate. And by sitting him for a bit, you're not impacting his long-term development, especially in a season w/ a truncated off-season.

I was no fan of Alex but I would pick him 10 times out of 10 over Tyrod.

[htismaqe]

And that TD was a throw that Taylor would've made as well. Fenton just completely ate shit on that coverage. That was as easy a pitch/catch as you'll find in the NFL.

Like I said - he made one genuinely good throw on Sunday. That throw to Allen was the only toss he made that Taylor wouldn't/couldn't have made.

yep.

[DJ's left nut]

I was no fan of Alex but I would pick him 10 times out of 10 over Tyrod.

I'd hate to have to live off the difference either way.

They're DAMN similar.

I think the last 2 years of Alex Smith (and really the last 1 more than anything) has changed our perception of who he was in the first 3 seasons.

We're forgetting how painfully cautious he was. He had many/most of the same weaknesses as Taylor.

[dirk digler]

Tyrod with 1 win.

Herbert with 1 loss.

The margins for error in the NFL are razor thin. That team is built around the defense. You simply cannot turn the ball over and expect to win and that's exactly what Herbert did.

People tend to forget that Alex Smith, with a good defense, won a playoff game for the Chiefs for the first time in two decades.

Thanks to the refs because the Bungles got screwed.

His record in Buffalo when he started they were 7-6, 7-8, 8-6 which probably is ok by Lynn because he is medicore as well.

His only playoff game in 2017 he was 17-37 for 134 yds and 1 INT. This is basically his career stat line.

[Mile High Mania]

If he's not ready in their eyes, I can understand why... but, I thought he looked pretty good vs KC considering the circumstances. Tyrod - I dunno, he's just not the real deal in my opinion.

I might lean towards rolling with the rookie.

[dirk digler]

I'd hate to have to live off the difference either way.

They're DAMN similar.

I think the last 2 years of Alex Smith (and really the last 1 more than anything) has changed our perception of who he was in the first 3 seasons.

We're forgetting how painfully cautious he was. He had many/most of the same weaknesses as Taylor.

Oh I remember well lol and I was ready to move on from him asap. But he is still light years ahead of Tyrod as a QB IMVHO.

Listen I am ok with SD being content with ending up being 7-9, 8-8 this year. One less team to worry about.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

Drive up the price on Elway

[jallmon]

As a Chiefs fan, I like this decision.

Exactly. When your division opponent wants to hammerfist his own baubles, let him!

[DJ's left nut]

Oh I remember well lol and I was ready to move on from him asap. But he is still light years ahead of Tyrod as a QB IMVHO.

Listen I am ok with SD being content with ending up being 7-9, 8-8 this year. One less team to worry about.

I think they're absolutely content w/ being 7-9 to 9-7. What I don't understand (and what Lynn cannot just accept) is the idea that Herbert could get them to 11-5 and if he goes 5-11, who gives a shit?

And I think he's correct in saying that Herbert doesn't raise their ceiling beyond 9-7 while he could easily lower their floor.

As htismaq noted - we saw what an impact Mahomes made and it's colored our perception of things. Bottom line is that it just doesn't work that way.

Lynn's living in a very sober reality (that the best his team can hope for is a puncher's chance) and he's trying to operate within it. He understands what he's working with here, IMO, and can't afford the fan's take of "hey, maybe Herbert will be Mahomes". Hell, how's it even fair to compare him to Burrows, who just had arguably the greatest season by a college quarterback in NCAA history.

He understands that the only way to get that ceiling raised is for Herbert to have a truly monumental impact on the offense. The guy I saw last Sunday can't do that. Maybe in 6 weeks he'll be able to do something more than that and in the meantime, Taylor won't do any less than what Herbert did Sunday, IMO.

He's taking hell for being passive here but in a lot of ways I think this is actually an aggressive move. He's NOT willing to just give up games early in the season he thinks he can win with a steady hand at QB and is hoping that Herbert shows development in practice that will allow him to stay afloat with Taylor and then use Herbert in a more aggressive manner later in the season.

[DJ's left nut]

As a Chiefs fan, I like this decision.

We should.

A high variance passer makes it more likely that LAC can catch lightening in a bottle and beat us - any given Sunday and all that.

But over a large sample size, it also means there are going to be games he pisses away.

When you're the big swinging dick you WANT to see your competition settle for something that isn't high variance. Because the Chiefs are better than them so - duh. But when you're the Chargers, you can't just say "eh fuck it; who cares if we win 5?" They can't afford that mindset, not with an expanded post-season field and a top defense. They have to continue to play for the post-season and trading some ceiling for some floor makes a lot of sense for them over a full season.

We're in a different chair (the Chiefs are the obvious alpha here) so we view this all very differently than Anthony Lynn has to.

He has to work with what he has and it would be irresponsible for him to say "if we can't win 11 games and steal the division - fuck everything, lets just throw the rookie out there and see what happens..."

He owes a more thorough review than that to every other player on his squad.

Anthony Lynn isn't trying to catch US, fellas. Get out of that mindset. He's trying to catch the Raiders. He can do that with Tyrod Taylor being Buffalo Tyrod Tylor. But if Herbert goes out there and makes more mistakes like he made on Sunday, that's gonna be really damn difficult.

[htismaqe]

DJ with two great posts back to back.

[dirk digler]

I think they're absolutely content w/ being 7-9 to 9-7. What I don't understand (and what Lynn cannot just accept) is the idea that Herbert could get them to 11-5 and if he goes 5-11, who gives a shit?

And I think he's correct in saying that Herbert doesn't raise their ceiling beyond 9-7 while he could easily lower their floor.

As htismaq noted - we saw what an impact Mahomes made and it's colored our perception of things. Bottom line is that it just doesn't work that way.

Lynn's living in a very sober reality (that the best his team can hope for is a puncher's chance) and he's trying to operate within it. He understands what he's working with here, IMO, and can't afford the fan's take of "hey, maybe Herbert will be Mahomes". Hell, how's it even fair to compare him to Burrows, who just had arguably the greatest season by a college quarterback in NCAA history.

He understands that the only way to get that ceiling raised is for Herbert to have a truly monumental impact on the offense. The guy I saw last Sunday can't do that. Maybe in 6 weeks he'll be able to do something more than that and in the meantime, Taylor won't do any less than what Herbert did Sunday, IMO.

He's taking hell for being passive here but in a lot of ways I think this is actually an aggressive move. He's NOT willing to just give up games early in the season he thinks he can win with a steady hand at QB and is hoping that Herbert shows development in practice that will allow him to stay afloat with Taylor and then use Herbert in a more aggressive manner later in the season.

Yeah I am sure his thinking is he can sneak in at that new 7th playoff spot and hope to maybe get on a Titans like hot streak. I think he is naive to think that Tyrod can pull that off though.

[DJ's left nut]

Yeah I am sure his thinking is he can sneak in at that new 7th playoff spot and hope to maybe get on a Titans like hot streak. I think he is naive to think that Tyrod can pull that off though.

And again, I don't think he believes Tyrod will take him to the finish line.

I just think he believes Tyrod is a slightly faster horse right now and for a few more weeks will give him a better chance to keep his head above water while he waits to take the governor off Herbert.

I mean let's face it - he's a half of bad football away from being able to pull this trigger. Whereas if he names Herbert the starter now, he has to ride or die with him.

This gives him more flexibility and more long-term upside, IMO, with little short-term risk.

[ModSocks]

Ya'll give Tyrod too much credit and not enough credit to Herbert.

There was a noticeable difference in competitiveness from the Chargers from week 1 to week 2. In week 2 they were chipy and energetic compared to week 1, and i can only assume it's because the QB gave them momentum.

Tyrod Taylor barely completed 50% of his passes against the Bengals and spent most of that game below 50%. They were anemic on offense, and when Taylor did take shots he took them in double coverage and damn near got Mike Williams block knocked off.

Tyrod Taylor is not the athlete that Herbert is and has never displayed the kind of speed and athleticism that Herbert displayed yesterday.

Tyrod Taylor isn't as accurate as Herbert is.

Taylor isn't playing with the kind of fire that Herbert displayed.

Herbert, aside from 1 crucial mistake that i bet he never makes again, played about as well as you could hope a rookie's 1st start could go, and it wasn't against the Bengals, it was against the defending SB champions.

[ModSocks]

AND

You're giving Lynn too much credit. Way too much credit.

He's not trying to play some long game, he's simply loyal to Taylor and he's an old school type coach. I told my nephew after the game that i wouldn't expect to see Herbert because:

1. Old school coaches don't believe in losing your job to injury, and Tyrod Taylor is 1-0 as the starter.

2. Lynn has been wanting to start Taylor since last season. He's a Tyrod Taylor guy. He was always going to give him enough rope to hang himself with no matter what the rookie did.

This has everything to do with loyalty and being stubborn.

If Taylor comes out and plays the way he did in week 1, but the Chargers are LOSING, you can bet your ass the rookie will be out there sooner than not.

[Chiefspants]

Ya'll give Tyrod too much credit and not enough credit to Herbert.

There was a noticeable difference in competitiveness from the Chargers from week 1 to week 2. In week 2 they were chipy and energetic compared to week 1, and i can only assume it's because the QB gave them momentum.

Tyrod Taylor barely completed 50% of his passes against the Bengals and spent most of that game below 50%. They were anemic on offense, and when Taylor did take shots he took them in double coverage and damn near got Mike Williams block knocked off.

Tyrod Taylor is not the athlete that Herbert is and has never displayed the kind of speed and athleticism that Herbert displayed yesterday.

Tyrod Taylor isn't as accurate as Herbert is.

Taylor isn't playing with the kind of fire that Herbert displayed.

Herbert, aside from 1 crucial mistake that i bet he never makes again, played about as well as you could hope a rookie's 1st start could go, and it wasn't against the Bengals, it was against the defending SB champions.

That's what coaches to game managers always seem to overlook.

While your game manager won't throw that bone-headed pick. They will complete 55% of their passes and nab a wtf 10-13 loss against a 1-5 team. If Tyrod loses like that, how much you wanna bet he's spared the criticism from Lynn because of his "veteran status" or some bs logic right that. Heck, Tyrod was a missed 30 yard field goal away from a potential loss like that in Week 1.

[ModSocks]

And lastly, no, Tyrod Taylor is NOT Alex Smith.

Tyrod Taylor makes Alex Smith look like fucking Brett Favre.

[DJ's left nut]

I think it's kinda silly to assume that a football lifer who's career and long-term livelihood depend on decisions he makes is just some dumb rube who isn't basing his sit/start decisions on who gives him the best chance to win over the course of a season.

Lynn is extremely well respected throughout the league. I don't think that's by accident.

I'm positive I'm not giving this more thought than he is.

[dirk digler]

And again, I don't think he believes Tyrod will take him to the finish line.

I just think he believes Tyrod is a slightly faster horse right now and for a few more weeks will give him a better chance to keep his head above water while he waits to take the governor off Herbert.

I mean let's face it - he's a half of bad football away from being able to pull this trigger. Whereas if he names Herbert the starter now, he has to ride or die with him.

This gives him more flexibility and more long-term upside, IMO, with little short-term risk.

That is probably accurate though if Tyrod is winning and getting them into the playoffs I think it makes it real hard to replace him later on in the season. Looking at their schedule, I am thinking 8-8 or 9-7 but alot depends on how they play on the road.

[Chiefspants]

I think it's kinda silly to assume that a football lifer who's career and long-term livelihood depend on decisions he makes is just some dumb rube who isn't basing his sit/start decisions on who gives him the best chance to win over the course of a season.

Lynn is extremely well respected throughout the league. I don't think that's by accident.

I'm positive I'm not giving this more thought than he is.

I don't doubt that, either. I have been very impressed by Lynn's teams and they have consistently slowed down Andy's offense and Pat. If your fans are asking "wtf is wrong with our elite offense" four matchups in a row vs. an opponent, then it's time to acknowledge that your opponent is doing something right. IF Herbert turns into 2017 Alex, then SD is going to be a formidable rival for some time.

I just don't agree with his logic here, likely due to being a jaded Chiefs fan in that capacity. For a game Herbert might lose due to a rookie lapse, Tyrod might lose it for underthrowing an open receiver in clutch time. Herbert could also be Drew Lock, and benefitted from a lack of scouting/preparedness on the KC side. Hell, even Osweiler looked like a game manager for half a season. It's like when your Cardinals throw out some BS 29 year old journeyman pitcher who has zero scouting and who tosses a 3~ ish ERA for half a season before signing with another team and getting ass-blasted the next year. It's definitely possible Herbert still has some major gaps that Lynn feels need to be worked through in practice. With the state the Chargers are in, I just don't see Herbert's floor being considerably lower than Taylor's, which is why I disagree with the decision.

It's also worth mentioning that this quote came from an interview that where Lynn was largely super complementary of Herbert and repeated on multiple occasions that he was the QBOTF.

You just know the pressure is going to grow exponentially with each loss where Taylor is under center, and I can't blame Chargers fans who want their QBOTF leading the way, especially after Sunday's performance.

[ModSocks]

I think it's kinda silly to assume that a football lifer who's career and long-term livelihood depend on decisions he makes is just some dumb rube who isn't basing his sit/start decisions on who gives him the best chance to win over the course of a season.

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Of course he thinks Taylor gives him the best chance. It's part of the reason Rivers is gone and why he wanted to bench Rivers last season.

That doesn't make him right.

It's loyal to a fault. You and i both know that that kind of shit runs rampant in the league.

He was NEVER, EVER going to bench Taylor after an injury, the man he appointed to lead this team, the man who he wanted leading this team since last season. And judging by Hard Knocks, the captain and leader of that offense.

He'll bench his ass for poor performance though, especially now after seeing what the rookie can do, his hand will practically be forced.

Ya'll who are remembering Taylor as some competent game manager are thinking back to his Buffalo days....but dudes that was 4-6 years ago.

Lately he's been a freakin' 50% career passer.

I'm telling you right now man, that Chargers offense in week 1 vs week 2 looked like an entirely different animal. And that's with the rookie running a Tyrod game plan.

[htismaqe]

Ya'll give Tyrod too much credit and not enough credit to Herbert.

There was a noticeable difference in competitiveness from the Chargers from week 1 to week 2. In week 2 they were chipy and energetic compared to week 1, and i can only assume it's because the QB gave them momentum.

Tyrod Taylor barely completed 50% of his passes against the Bengals and spent most of that game below 50%. They were anemic on offense, and when Taylor did take shots he took them in double coverage and damn near got Mike Williams block knocked off.

Tyrod Taylor is not the athlete that Herbert is and has never displayed the kind of speed and athleticism that Herbert displayed yesterday.

Tyrod Taylor isn't as accurate as Herbert is.

Taylor isn't playing with the kind of fire that Herbert displayed.

Herbert, aside from 1 crucial mistake that i bet he never makes again, played about as well as you could hope a rookie's 1st start could go, and it wasn't against the Bengals, it was against the defending SB champions.

They played last year's worst team in the league in Week 1. They played the defending SB champions and division rival in week 2.

Suggesting that their energy level was all because of Herbert is just freaking silly.

[ModSocks]

Herbert could also be Drew Lock, and benefitted from a lack of scouting/preparedness on the KC side.

Maybe. But here's what's obvious to me:

Herbert is more willing to throw downfield. His arm is strong and the ball comes out with velocity and zip.

He's more athletic, bigger body, faster and probably better able to absorb and dish a hit than Taylor.

Herbert displayed speed, athleticism and a live, accurate arm.

The offense seemed to have responded well to Herbert.

Just based off Hard Knocks, the team is already a big believer in Herbert. THEY know he's the more talented QB. The players on the team aren't dumb. Herbert is clearly a superior talent.

[ModSocks]

They played last year's worst team in the league in Week 1. They played the defending SB champions and division rival in week 2.

Suggesting that their energy level was all because of Herbert is just freaking silly.

Pretending that the rest of their squad doesn't see the talent gap between Herbert and Taylor is what's silly to me. The ball was coming out live and the receivers were getting into the game, unlike week 1.

Having a guy in there that they know has the juice to get them the ball definitely energized them.

[ModSocks]

They're a better team with Herbert in there, but they have a coach that's so afraid of mistakes that he'd rather roll with steady-eddie and his 50% completion rate if that means his QB won't turn the wrong direction during the hand-off.

[DJ's left nut]

Of course he thinks Taylor gives him the best chance. It's part of the reason Rivers is gone and why he wanted to bench Rivers last season.

That doesn't make him right.

It's loyal to a fault. You and i both know that that kind of shit runs rampant in the league.

He was NEVER, EVER going to bench Taylor after an injury, the man he appointed to lead this team, the man who he wanted leading this team since last season. And judging by Hard Knocks, the captain and leader of that offense.

He'll bench his ass for poor performance though, especially now after seeing what the rookie can do, his hand will practically be forced.

Ya'll who are remembering Taylor as some competent game manager are thinking back to his Buffalo days....but dudes that was 4-6 years ago.

Lately he's been a freakin' 50% career passer.

I'm telling you right now man, that Chargers offense in week 1 vs week 2 looked like an entirely different animal. And that's with the rookie running a Tyrod game plan.

The Chargers would've had a better record w/ Taylor than Rivers. By a lot.

Lynn is trying to force this team into a particular mold, yes - because that's the talent he HAS. Of course he's trying to build a hard-nosed, defense first identity because that's where most of his talent is.

Why shouldn't he be doing that? He has to win games with his defense and that's damn near impossible w/ someone like Rivers giving opponents the ball with short fields.

Yes, he wants an offense that won't take anything off the table. With that team, in this division, why is that such a stupid thought process? He's trying to put the assets he has to their best use.

And again, if Taylor IS the 50% passer he demonstrated in Cleveland as opposed to the 60% guy he was in Buffalo, Lynn still has the Herbert card to play.

He doesn't have to play it yet and no, Herbert didn't force his hand last week. Herbert COULD have. Make another throw after the throw to Allen to get it into the end zone rather than settle for 3. Run for the first and finish THAT drive instead of throw a pick. Don't !@#$ up the direction on a hand-off inside the 4 yard line on 3rd down.

There are things he could've done to make this choice a lot harder for Lynn. Making one truly good throw and then just otherwise not puking on your shoes (often) doesn't really qualify.

[St. Patty's Fire]

It’d be funny if he was lying and all this arguing was over nothing lol

I wouldn’t write that scenario off either. NFL coaches lie and lie and lie.

[chiefzilla1501]

I think the idea that Mahomes was more of a work in progress has been pretty well established as a farce at this point. Even with the benefit of hindsight, his Broncos game makes it clear that his improvisational and playmaking abilities were simply innate.

But I'm not trying to discuss that sit/start decision at all - it's not germane here at all, IMO.

As for Taylor's performance in Cleveland - look at his career and tell me which season is the outlier. He played poorly in Cleveland but it was also well outside the trend he'd established as a starter the 3 seasons prior. Additionally, you cite the switch to Mayfield as the catalyst for the Browns improved performance, but let's not forget that the Browns went 1-4 w/ Baker Mayfield under center and Hugh Jackson as the HC (and Todd Haley as the OC). It wasn't until Greg Williams and Freddie Kitchens took the reigns that the Browns showed any life.

But a 1-1-1 record w/ Taylor is what kept them out of the playoffs? I think not. Especially not when the tie was to a Steelers team that started the season 7-2-1 and a 13-3 NOLA squad. No, starting Taylor made no impact on that playoff season. And ultimately Baker's lack of forward progress makes you question how much help he actually provided in that late season push to .500 for Cleveland.

Taylor was a good, solid, game-manager of a QB in Buffalo. That's who he'll be in SD. They can make the post-season with that, especially if Taylor acts as a band-aid that allows Herbert to gain a more fundamental understanding of the offense in the process.

I'll disagree on Mahomes. I was not a fan of starting him early. I remember him sailing simple screen passes because of lousy footwork, trying to bowl over defenders or take hard hits instead of getting rid of the ball. Really bad habits I wanted him to be coached out of. I don't know that herbert has those other than learning to play under center.

We will see on Taylor. I watched those games in Cleveland and Taylor was really really bad. You think Alex Smith was safe. In Buffalo, I can see it because he could bail himself out with his legs. At 31 and with lots of wear and tear I'm not sure that he can. I get it if you want to have an OK season. But I don't think his ceiling is nearly as high as you do. I mean, Josh allen took tyrods 500 team to 5-6. You can't tell me herbert is even close to as raw as Allen was.

[Chiefspants]

I'll disagree on Mahomes. I was not a fan of starting him early. I remember him sailing simple screen passes because of lousy footwork, trying to bowl over defenders or take hard hits instead of getting rid of the ball. Really bad habits I wanted him to be coached out of. I don't know that herbert has those other than learning to play under center.


I will still always wonder what the outcome of the 2017 playoffs would have been if Reid said **** it and put Mahomes under center. We know now that Pat would have absolutely risen to the occasion against the Titans.

[ModSocks]

The Chargers would've had a better record w/ Taylor than Rivers. By a lot.

Lynn is trying to force this team into a particular mold, yes - because that's the talent he HAS. Of course he's trying to build a hard-nosed, defense first identity because that's where most of his talent is.

Why shouldn't he be doing that? He has to win games with his defense and that's damn near impossible w/ someone like Rivers giving opponents the ball with short fields.

Yes, he wants an offense that won't take anything off the table. With that team, in this division, why is that such a stupid thought process? He's trying to put the assets he has to their best use.

And again, if Taylor IS the 50% passer he demonstrated in Cleveland as opposed to the 60% guy he was in Buffalo, Lynn still has the Herbert card to play.

He doesn't have to play it yet and no, Herbert didn't force his hand last week. Herbert COULD have. Make another throw after the throw to Allen to get it into the end zone rather than settle for 3. Run for the first and finish THAT drive instead of throw a pick. Don't !@#$ up the direction on a hand-off inside the 4 yard line on 3rd down.

There are things he could've done to make this choice a lot harder for Lynn. Making one truly good throw and then just otherwise not puking on your shoes (often) doesn't really qualify.

Lynn is delaying the inevitable in favor of a few more loses, and he's doing it out of loyalty and fear.

Taylor will come out and continue to be a sub-par passer and then his hand will be forced, and the loses will be all for nothing. By the time he gives up on Taylor it'll be too late.

Because again, he doesn't want to deal with rookie mistakes, despite what benefits may come with it.

[gold_and_red]

How much of the debate is because of playing Mahomes close? If the Chargers had lost similarly to a bad divisional rival like the Broncos I wonder if Herbert would receive the same support.

[htismaqe]

How much of the debate is because of playing Mahomes close? If the Chargers had lost similarly to a bad divisional rival like the Broncos I wonder if Herbert would receive the same support.

It's all about expectations.

[DJ's left nut]

Chargers lost by 5 to a really mediocre Panthers squad.

Herbert threw another really bad interception in Panthers territory at the end of the 2nd quarter that was returned about 70 yards to set up a FG as time expired on the half. That was a 6 point swing. In a game they lost by 5.

That's EXACTLY the sort of concern that Anthony Lynn has with Herbert, fellas. That's another game where you just don't throw that pick or if you just pick up the dude on the blitz that forced the fumble, you probably win.

50 passes attempted and 16 points to show for it against a rebuilding squad w/ a new coaching staff that had been giving up 33/gm prior to the game.

It's moot since it appears Taylor's not playing again for quite some time, but we saw again why Lynn is nervous about Herbert out there. He's not moving that offense up and down the field and he IS making some pretty brutal mistakes at key times that have arguably cost his team both of the games he's started.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Sounds like back 2 back "Rivers" like losses to me

[Halfcan]

Sounds like back 2 back "Rivers" like losses to me

Herbert is Rivers, only with better hair and minus 9 kids.

[staylor26]

Chargers lost by 5 to a really mediocre Panthers squad.

Herbert threw another really bad interception in Panthers territory at the end of the 2nd quarter that was returned about 70 yards to set up a FG as time expired on the half. That was a 6 point swing. In a game they lost by 5.

That's EXACTLY the sort of concern that Anthony Lynn has with Herbert, fellas. That's another game where you just don't throw that pick or if you just pick up the dude on the blitz that forced the fumble, you probably win.

50 passes attempted and 16 points to show for it against a rebuilding squad w/ a new coaching staff that had been giving up 33/gm prior to the game.

It's moot since it appears Taylor's not playing again for quite some time, but we saw again why Lynn is nervous about Herbert out there. He's not moving that offense up and down the field and he IS making some pretty brutal mistakes at key times that have arguably cost his team both of the games he's started.

While I thought (and still think) Herbert will be a bust, I still thought he was clearly better than Taylor after our game.

Now, not so much.

[MahomesMagic]

Chargers lost by 5 to a really mediocre Panthers squad.

Herbert threw another really bad interception in Panthers territory at the end of the 2nd quarter that was returned about 70 yards to set up a FG as time expired on the half. That was a 6 point swing. In a game they lost by 5.

That's EXACTLY the sort of concern that Anthony Lynn has with Herbert, fellas. That's another game where you just don't throw that pick or if you just pick up the dude on the blitz that forced the fumble, you probably win.

50 passes attempted and 16 points to show for it against a rebuilding squad w/ a new coaching staff that had been giving up 33/gm prior to the game.

It's moot since it appears Taylor's not playing again for quite some time, but we saw again why Lynn is nervous about Herbert out there. He's not moving that offense up and down the field and he IS making some pretty brutal mistakes at key times that have arguably cost his team both of the games he's started.

I was all in on Carolina moneyline because Herbert is still a rookie and I trusted Teddy more in that spot. LAC defense Super Bowl was against us.

[DJ's left nut]

While I thought (and still think) Herbert will be a bust, I still thought he was clearly better than Taylor after our game.

Now, not so much.

I really needed a re-watch to realize how firmly mediocre he was in the Chiefs game.

It was all training wheels, all the time (and justifiably so) - and the dude STILL made 2 massive mistakes that cost them the game.

I'm not on the Hebert's a Bust train or anything - but man I think he's gonna be up and down. He wasn't a top 10 caliber prospect, IMO - there's just too much variance there. At the same time, you can't win in this league without a top 10 QB and he DOES occasionally demonstrate that kind of talent.

So taking him where they did is defensible given how critical the position is.

I do recognize that he has a strong arm and plus athleticism - but he's an erratic decisionmaker with accuracy that comes and goes. That may change in a year or two but it damn sure hasn't changed in 9 months. He's still that same guy.

Chargers fans (and the national media) trying to convince themselves otherwise are doing him a disservice. They're setting the bar too high for him and he WILL fail.

Ultimately Taylor's probably gonna miss 3-4 more games and if so, Herbert's just gonna keep the job by default. Either he'll win a few games and Lynn 'rides the hot hand' or they lose a few more and ultimately it's a lost season. The decision was largely made for him.

But ultimately Herbert ain't ready for this gig.

[chiefzilla1501]

Chargers lost by 5 to a really mediocre Panthers squad.

Herbert threw another really bad interception in Panthers territory at the end of the 2nd quarter that was returned about 70 yards to set up a FG as time expired on the half. That was a 6 point swing. In a game they lost by 5.

That's EXACTLY the sort of concern that Anthony Lynn has with Herbert, fellas. That's another game where you just don't throw that pick or if you just pick up the dude on the blitz that forced the fumble, you probably win.

50 passes attempted and 16 points to show for it against a rebuilding squad w/ a new coaching staff that had been giving up 33/gm prior to the game.

It's moot since it appears Taylor's not playing again for quite some time, but we saw again why Lynn is nervous about Herbert out there. He's not moving that offense up and down the field and he IS making some pretty brutal mistakes at key times that have arguably cost his team both of the games he's started.

A rookie qb made a few mistakes. Who cares. This isn't a Nathan Peterman moment. This isn't a Tebow guy who looks like a mechanical mess out there. This guy is learning from his mistakes. And man you're digging really deep if you think 1 INT vs the #1 team in NFL is some validation that he shouldn't have started.

You know what else I saw? I saw Josh Allen look pretty impressive out there yesterday. You know, the guy who pushed tyrod out of his job. Josh allen took a playoff team to 5-6 his rookie year and had some rough patches. You know what no Bills fan said? I sure wish we started tyrod instead after losing maybe the worst played playoff game in history (10-3 loss to the jags).

Coaches should have the stones to play young QBs. I get why Reid didn't. Tyrod is not Alex Smith. Herbert doesn't need the time mahomes did.

[staylor26]

A rookie qb made a few mistakes. Who cares. This isn't a Nathan Peterman moment. This isn't a Tebow guy who looks like a mechanical mess out there. This guy is learning from his mistakes. And man you're digging really deep if you think 1 INT vs the #1 team in NFL is some validation that he shouldn't have started.

You know what else I saw? I saw Josh Allen look pretty impressive out there yesterday. You know, the guy who pushed tyrod out of his job. Josh allen took a playoff team to 5-6 his rookie year and had some rough patches. You know what no Bills fan said? I sure wish we started tyrod instead after losing maybe the worst played playoff game in history (10-3 loss to the jags).

Coaches should have the stones to play young QBs. I get why Reid didn't. Tyrod is not Alex Smith. Herbert doesn't need the time mahomes did.

Umm it was Baker who pushed Tyrod out of his job...

[chiefzilla1501]

The only reason to not start Herbert is because you think he'll be ruined for taking early reps before he's ready or because tyrod gives them an actual shot at a super bowl.

Today, more than ever young QBs have been fine starting right away. And Tyrod isn't going to take you anywhere. Lynn is lucky his dumb trainer made this decision easy.

[chiefzilla1501]

Umm it was Baker who pushed Tyrod out of his job...

The bills drafted Josh allen after a tyrod taylor playoff season so they could ditch tyrod. The next year baker took tyrods job in Cleveland.

[PurpleRiders51]

Was it really necessary to basically say "the rookie cost us the game." I don't believe Taylor takes the Chargers to OT against the Chiefs, and if it wasn't for a moronic coaching decision to punt on 4th & 1 in said OT, they maybe even could've won. Can't put that loss on the rook. Their GM needs to fire this coach asap, if for nothing else taking a completely unwarranted shot at your future franchise rookie QB. I thought Herbert played a good game.

[PurpleRiders51]

Herbert comes in on short notice in the second week of his rookie season and takes it to the defending champions forcing OT. And what does his coach say about his performance? "We lost the game didn't we?" (paraphrasing) & "He's a backup for a reason." This may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard a NFL coach say. Way to wreck the rookie's confidence/ego after what the rest of the world saw as a good game. LAC would do well to get rid of this guy asap.

[htismaqe]

Was it really necessary to basically say "the rookie cost us the game." I don't believe Taylor takes the Chargers to OT against the Chiefs, and if it wasn't for a moronic coaching decision to punt on 4th & 1 in said OT, they maybe even could've won. Can't put that loss on the rook. Their GM needs to fire this coach asap, if for nothing else taking a completely unwarranted shot at your future franchise rookie QB. I thought Herbert played a good game.

He punted on 4th & 1 because of said rookie QB. Going for it wasn't a gimme. In fact it was slightly more risky than punting according to the numbers.

No, he didn't need to say it but they absolutely lost that game because of Herbert. Week 3 bore that out. Herbert isn't ready.

[RedRaider56]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wanted to like Anthony Lynn after Hard Knocks. Can’t take him seriously after this. He’s way to close to Tyrod. <a href="https://t.co/NFZ2gHxdQ9">https://t.co/NFZ2gHxdQ9</a></p>&mdash; John Middlekauff (@JohnMiddlekauff) <a href="https://twitter.com/JohnMiddlekauff/status/1308215741271797762?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It would be really nice if reporters etc could understand the proper usage of "to" and "too".

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Screw the "numbers" when Mahomes is on the other side.

[PurpleRiders51]

He punted on 4th & 1 because of said rookie QB. Going for it wasn't a gimme. In fact it was slightly more risky than punting according to the numbers.

No, he didn't need to say it but they absolutely lost that game because of Herbert. Week 3 bore that out. Herbert isn't ready.

He played a pretty good game with good numbers against Carolina, but lost. That's what the Chargers do though.

[htismaqe]

He played a pretty good game with good numbers against Carolina, but lost. That's what the Chargers do though.

Herbert wasn't good against Carolina. He looked like a rookie most of the time.

Having a live arm and good velocity aren't the only things that make a good QB.

They're limiting his reads and he's still making bad decisions plus his ball placement is erratic.

[JD10367]

Herbert's floor is NOT Tyrod Taylor. Taylor may not have the flashy downfield stats but he owns a career TD-INT ratio of nearly THREE to 1.

Herbert's floor could easily be 1:3.

Turnovers are critically important in the NFL and Herbert already committed one that had a direct influence on a loss.

Taylor spent four seasons in Baltimore. In four seasons he appeared in 14 games and threw 2 picks.

Then he had three really good seasons in Buffalo. Played in 44 out of 48 games, threw 51 touchdowns to only 16 picks, had QB ratings of 99, 89, and 89.

Then one year in Cleveland. 4 games, 2 TDs, 2 picks.

One year with the Chargers. 8 games. 1 TD.

This year. One game.

So was his great production in Buffalo him, or the team around him? Who knows. Maybe he's good. Maybe he's not. The three years with amazing stats in Buffalo, the team was still literally average (8-8, 7-9, 9-7). So clearly despite the numbers he's not a real difference-maker.

Is Herbert? Again, too soon to tell. Yes, he looked like a rookie. But facts are facts. He went 22/33 for 311 yards, 1 TD and 1 pick, and a 94 rating against the defending champs. Is DeShaun Watson a much better, highly touted QB? Against the Chiefs, he had 253 yards, 1/1, and an 84 rating. Is Lamar Jackson a much better, highly touted QB? Against the Chiefs, he had 267 yards and a 70 rating.

[ModSocks]

Herbert wasn't good against Carolina. He looked like a rookie most of the time.



Did you watch the game? I completely disagree yet again.

The Chargers charger'd the shit out of that game and Keenan Allen dropped some key passes that kept them from winning, or at the very least putting it into O/T.

The Chargers asked their rookie QB to drop back 49 times and he still completed 71% of his passes for 330 yards.

Again, what constitutes "Good"?

If Keenan Allen catches a simple screen pass for an easy 2pt conversion that game likely goes to OT at the very least.

Herbert had a boneheaded INT and a fumble where his tackle got ran by, outside of that, again he looked pretty good.

[ModSocks]

They're limiting his reads and he's still making bad decisions plus his ball placement is erratic.

We're not watching the same game, man.

71% completion % on 49 attempts is not "erratic".

You're not judging a rookie Qb fairly. Nope.

Right now that kid is the only offense they have. They have no decent running game and their Oline is still shit.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Turdrod lost to the Beakers in a bowl game, he's that bad

[ThaVirus]

Herbert comes in on short notice in the second week of his rookie season and takes it to the defending champions forcing OT. And what does his coach say about his performance? "We lost the game didn't we?" (paraphrasing) & "He's a backup for a reason." This may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard a NFL coach say. Way to wreck the rookie's confidence/ego after what the rest of the world saw as a good game. LAC would do well to get rid of this guy asap.

Ya know, I've never agreed with this line of thinking and I find it amusing, particularly among the old timer crowd, with all of the wailing about raising softer generations.

Is what Lynn said really an issue? He's right. Herbert isn't ready. Herbert himself would probably agree with that assessment. If his coach publicly telling the truth kills this kid's confidence, then he's weak anyway and needs to toughen up.

[htismaqe]

Herbert threw another horrible bonehead pick that cost them the game. We're not having this conversation again.

If you want to think he's good, more power to you. You care way more about another team's QB than I do.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Herbert threw another horrible bonehead pick that cost them the game. We're not having this conversation again.

If you want to think he's good, more power to you. You care way more about another team's QB than I do.

Toxing loves to come around every now and then to slurp the Chargers dry. Thought it might end post Rivers, but alas. Same garbage football team that can't win close games.

[chiefzilla1501]

Herbert threw another horrible bonehead pick that cost them the game. We're not having this conversation again.

If you want to think he's good, more power to you. You care way more about another team's QB than I do.

That's what rookies gonna do. The only reason to not start Herbert is if you think tyrod actually gives you a chance at a super bowl (doubtful) or if you worry that these mistakes will stunt his development.

I am way more on the aggressive side of letting the kid make mistakes. Josh allen made a lot of boneheaded mistakes and took a playoff team to 5-6 his rookie year. He was not any less ready than herbert is right now.

[ThaVirus]

Did you watch the game? I completely disagree yet again.

The Chargers charger'd the shit out of that game and Keenan Allen dropped some key passes that kept them from winning, or at the very least putting it into O/T.

The Chargers asked their rookie QB to drop back 49 times and he still completed 71% of his passes for 330 yards.

Again, what constitutes "Good"?

If Keenan Allen catches a simple screen pass for an easy 2pt conversion that game likely goes to OT at the very least.

Herbert had a boneheaded INT and a fumble where his tackle got ran by, outside of that, again he looked pretty good.

If you're a Chargers fan I think there were things to like, but you're definitely underselling that INT.

His running game supported him by averaging nearly 5 YPC and he attempted 50 passes with only 1 TD. He's got one of the best sets of offensive skill position weapons in the league and yet he got outdeuled by Teddy Bridgewaer and a bunch of bums.

[ModSocks]

Herbert threw another horrible bonehead pick that cost them the game. We're not having this conversation again.

If you want to think he's good, more power to you. You care way more about another team's QB than I do.

We're having a conversation about analysis of a young QB.

He threw a bonehead pick yeah, it's what rookie QB's do.

But consider the context of the game before yet again blaming a rookie QB:

1. The Chargers turned the ball over 4 times. 1 of which was specifically the QB's fault.

2. The Chargers amassed a number a costly, poorly timed penalties.

3. The Chargers had a number of dropped passes, including a failed 2 point conversion off a Keenan Allen Drop that would've allowed the game to go into OT with a FG instead of needing a TD at the end.

4. Allen also dropped a TD in the endzone.

5. Ekeler dropped a go-ahead, game winning TD on a walk-in hook and ladder to end the game.

6. The Chargers O-line, one of the worst in the league last season, is missing 3 starters and even a back up got hurt already.

6.5. The Chargers surrendered 22 pressures and two sacks to a team that was one of the worst at generating pressure the last two weeks.

7. The Chargers are featuring a FIRST YEAR O.C. It's not like Reid or Peyton are out there drawing plays up for the kid.

8. No OTA's and a very limited TC.


DESPITE ALL OF THAT....

He still drove his team from the 1 yard line with less than 2-minutes to go and NO timeouts down the field and gave his team a chance to win at the end, and they yet again they failed to deliver.

That game, if you watched it, the Chargers did everything they possibly could to lose it, yet ya'll are here acting like Tyrod Taylor woulda won that game for them.

71% completion % on 49 attempts is not "erratic".

At what point do you look at the context here and go, "man, despite all that he has working against him, he's still doing some really nice things on the field"?

I think DJ and Htis are smart men, but man am i getting some stubborn vibes here.

[ModSocks]

Toxing loves to come around every now and then to slurp the Chargers dry. Thought it might end post Rivers, but alas. Same garbage football team that can't win close games.

You're a fucking idiot, no i don't. At all. I do happen to watch them every week cuz, well no shit i live in San Diego and it's often the only game on.

So yeah, i sit there and actually watch the games, and conversate about them with my family, which is why i come here and see some of these takes and wonder if you even saw the game or just watched highlights.

Because i don't know how you could watch that game and not come to the conclusion that the Chargers literally did everything they could to lose.

[htismaqe]

If you're a Chargers fan I think there were things to like, but you're definitely underselling that INT.

His running game supported him by averaging nearly 5 YPC and he attempted 50 passes with only 1 TD. He's got one of the best sets of offensive skill position weapons in the league and yet he got outdeuled by Teddy Bridgewaer and a bunch of bums.

Exactly.

[htismaqe]

You're a fucking idiot, no i don't. At all. I do happen to watch them every week cuz, well no shit i live in San Diego and it's often the only game on.

So yeah, i sit there and actually watch the games, and conversate about them with my family, which is why i come here and see some of these takes and wonder if you even saw the game or just watched highlights.

Because i don't know how you could watch that game and not come to the conclusion that the Chargers literally did everything they could to lose.

They've simplified their offense completely down so that he doesn't have to make more than a couple of reads.

They're playing a completely vanilla plan in order to accommodate the rookie.

I'm watching the games. His ball placement is all over the place. His decision making is questionable.

He threw the ball 50 times and managed 16 points, including an INT with a huge return that essentially resulted in a 6-point swing in a game that was lost by 5. Against what is likely a bottom 5 team.

Sorry, but I'm just not that easily impressed.

[ModSocks]

If you're a Chargers fan I think there were things to like, but you're definitely underselling that INT.

His running game supported him by averaging nearly 5 YPC and he attempted 50 passes with only 1 TD. He's got one of the best sets of offensive skill position weapons in the league and yet he got outdeuled by Teddy Bridgewaer and a bunch of bums.

Here, let me explain to you how a QB can complete 71% of his passes and have a running game average 5 YPC and still lose:


1. The Chargers turned the ball over 4 times. 1 of which was specifically the QB's fault.

2. The Chargers amassed a number a costly, poorly timed penalties.

3. The Chargers had a number of dropped passes, including a failed 2 point conversion off a Keenan Allen Drop that would've allowed the game to go into OT with a FG instead of needing a TD at the end.

4. Allen also dropped a TD in the endzone.

5. Ekeler dropped a go-ahead, game winning TD on a walk-in hook and ladder to end the game.

6. The Chargers O-line, one of the worst in the league last season, is missing 3 starters and even a back up got hurt already.

6.5. The Chargers surrendered 22 pressures and two sacks to a team that was one of the worst at generating pressure the last two weeks.

7. The Chargers are featuring a FIRST YEAR O.C. It's not like Reid or Peyton are out there drawing plays up for the kid.



Again, the Chargers TEAM lost this. They fucked up every way they could. Despite that, the QB did some real nice things out there and had some real nice throws.

[ModSocks]

They've simplified their offense completely down so that he doesn't have to make more than a couple of reads.

They're playing a completely vanilla plan in order to accommodate the rookie.



It looks exactly like the offense they rolled out week 1 with Taylor, except the rookie is taking more shots downfield.

Straight up.

WE all knew this offense was going to be hot garbage coming into this season. An offense with a shit Oline, a 1st year OC and a HC that wants to run the ball and play defense that's led by Tyrod Taylor.

They're running the same P/A, boot-leg roll out shit that they were running two weeks ago.

Now all of a sudden we want to lay that garbage offense at the feet of a rookie QB?

C'mon man....

[ThaVirus]

Here, let me explain to you how a QB can complete 71% of his passes and have a running game average 5 YPC and still lose:



Again, the Chargers TEAM lost this. They fucked up every way they could. Despite that, the QB did some real nice things out there and had some real nice throws.

I watched the game. I also have Ekeler and Allen on my fantasy team so I extra salty with the drops/fumbles.

I wouldn't disagree with that. It is a team sport after all. Hell, I even agreed with the bolded. I'm just saying Herbert contributed greatly to the team's loss, especially with that INT before half.

[UChieffyBugger]

I heard on a recent podcast that Lynn had to be political about Tyrod keeping his spot because of the nature of his injury with the team doctor injurying his lung. Taylor could make things uncomfortable for the organisation if he chose to so that may be the reason he said what he said after we beat them.

[htismaqe]

I heard on a recent podcast that Lynn had to be political about Tyrod keeping his spot because of the nature of his injury with the team doctor injurying his lung. Taylor could make things uncomfortable for the organisation if he chose to so that may be the reason he said what he said after we beat them.

That's an interesting thought.

You would think Taylor was told of the risks (they're fairly well known) and there might even be some sort of implied consent. But if it is somehow a case of doctor's error and Taylor lost his job because of it, there's a grievance there.

:hmmm:

[ThaVirus]

I’ve read that a player can no longer sue the organization if they accept team doctor’s care.

.. but I didn’t fact check it and that sounds a bit farfetched so idk.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Excuses, excuses, excuses. EVERY fucking year for the Chargers

[Red Dawg]

Lynn is a terrible HC. He's failed and failed with above average talent. Thats their problem.

[ThaVirus]

Lynn is a terrible HC. He's failed and failed with above average talent. Thats their problem.

That franchise is the league's most consistent underachiever.

Remember those stacked teams from back in the mid-2000s? Crazy talent and nothing to show for it.

[Pitt Gorilla]

That franchise is the league's most consistent underachiever.

Remember those stacked teams from back in the mid-2000s? Crazy talent and nothing to show for it.

Yup. This certainly isn't exclusive to Lynn. The Chargers had some of the most talented teams I can remember during that time and have nothing to show for it.

[Kiimo]

A rookie in his second game threw an interception he must suck flush him

[htismaqe]

A rookie in his second game threw an interception he must suck flush him

For the record, I never said he sucks.

But there's a lot of people out there that are super impressed and I'm not.

You know, that massive middle ground that nobody ever wants to consider anymore.

[Sorry]

For the record, I never said he sucks.

But there's a lot of people out there that are super impressed and I'm not.

You know, that massive middle ground that nobody ever wants to consider anymore.

Yeah, but he's good enough to start and go thru the learning curve. We know what Tyrod brings, and he can manage a game for a good team.. but they should've just kept Rivers if thats the case.

[htismaqe]

Yeah, but he's good enough to start and go thru the learning curve. We know what Tyrod brings, and he can manage a game for a good team.. but they should've just kept Rivers if thats the case.

The difference is that Rivers literally lost games by turning the ball over.

Exactly what Herbert has done.

It may not be pretty or playoff-worthy, but Taylor could have very easily had this team 3-0 just by not throwing any picks.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

The difference is that Rivers literally lost games by turning the ball over.

Exactly what Herbert has done.

It may not be pretty or playoff-worthy, but Taylor could have very easily had this team 3-0 just by not throwing any picks.

You are spot on dude. Even down to the same lame ass excuses the Chargers get. It's like a re-run of rivers ball

[DJ's left nut]

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[Deberg_1990]

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[KChiefs1]

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Tough Decision. :)

[ModSocks]

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Herbert's 3 games:

77/107, 931 Yards, 5TD's, 3 Ints, 72% completion %

Burrow's last 3 games:

91/141, 821 Yards, 5TD's, 1 Int, 64.5% Completion %.

Pretty similar.

There's going to be a lot of good, young QB's in the league for Mahomes to bury in his graveyard.

[kcclone]

Herbert's 3 games:

77/107, 931 Yards, 5TD's, 3 Ints, 72% completion %

Burrow's last 3 games:

91/141, 821 Yards, 5TD's, 1 Int, 64.5% Completion %.

Pretty similar.

There's going to be a lot of good, young QB's in the league for Mahomes to bury in his graveyard.


I would say Burrow may have the worst OL in the league or close to it. But to your point, these two will become Pro Bowl type QB’s in the next 1-3 years most likely.

Herbert has to sting for Donkey and Raiders fans.