Spin-Off: Reiter & Wylie need to get better, or GTFO

[Dante84]

Spinning off because we need a bright light being shown on these assholes immediately. They've been riding our offense's coattails for too long and are overstaying their welcome.

They are going to get Patrick killed either by letting someone come free up the middle directly, or by forcing him to drift back and get crushed by an edge rusher who doesn't have to bend.

They are stifling Clyde's opportunities by getting thrown in the way.

Getting beat by single dudes in pass rush, getting walked back into our RB lanes when Run blocking... Not Okay.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pretty crazy stats courtesy of <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PFF</a>:<br><br>This season, Clyde has averaged 6.6 ypc and has EIGHT 10+ yard runs when rushing towards the left side of the OL. His only TD was that direction as well.<br><br>To the right.. 2.7 ypc , ZERO 10+ yard runs<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a></p>&mdash; Ron Kopp Jr. (@Ron_Kopp) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ron_Kopp/status/1314571665326714881?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Are you ****ing kidding me with this rep:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Poor Kelce gets laid out by the end on his route. Still trying to figure out who a two player rush gets that much pressure to force Mahomes to throw it early. Otherwise might be a walk in TD there with another second or two. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://t.co/bLh2SHKHHN">pic.twitter.com/bLh2SHKHHN</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1314592516948340743?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


"Sorry, Clyde, can't go left here, I'm coming through..."


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kelce frustrated with himself here for not pulling up into the hole and taking on 51. Ideally you want to see CEH potentially bounce this one outside. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://t.co/1uLqbUrxre">pic.twitter.com/1uLqbUrxre</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1314598441180430337?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Patriots run a cross fire. Wylie can’t get the inside shoulder. His defender gets off the block. Reiter’s defender gets off his block. 50 sets the edge on Keizer forcing the run back inside. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://t.co/fHcALIcHfU">pic.twitter.com/fHcALIcHfU</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1314591387879452673?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wylie and Yelder had some run blocking issues here. CEH already having to spin by the time he gets the handoff. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://t.co/5iPA41y95s">pic.twitter.com/5iPA41y95s</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1314600929782648833?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Compare that to the Left Side:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fisher and Osemele create a hole. Awesome backside cut by Kelce. Like to see Keizer get some push so CEH has more room to work. One of the better blocked runs of the night. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://t.co/Ro94XwNt42">pic.twitter.com/Ro94XwNt42</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1314597782020382720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The down block by Osemele and Fisher is crucial here. The open up the whole play. They knock 91 into a new zip code and create the whole for CEH to follow through. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://t.co/ahqXSoepl4">pic.twitter.com/ahqXSoepl4</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1314593877710561281?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[KChiefs1]

I think we’ve all known this for awhile.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Schwartz is sucking ass too. Fisher > Schwartz

[DJ's left nut]

I remain extremely confused as to the presence of Nick Keizer on this roster.

I mean what the !@#$ is it that he does well? He's routinely awful. Can't do anything in the pattern our out in space. Can't block. Manages to take long plays away from Kelce by reaching for balls that aren't his.

He's really friggen bad. I don't think we need for TEs on this roster and we definitely don't need 3 plus whatever POS boat anchor Keizer is.

[duncan_idaho]

It sure looked like Remmers made them better and more physical at RG. Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if Wylie had another injury so we could see what it looked like without Wylie for a while.

Schwartz looks to have lost a little physical ability, potentially. Not quite as powerful. He's also been burned by some of Mahomes' drifting back in the pocket.

[DJ's left nut]

It sure looked like Remmers made them better and more physical at RG. Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if Wylie had another injury so we could see what it looked like without Wylie for a while.

Schwartz looks to have lost a little physical ability, potentially. Not quite as powerful. He's also been burned by some of Mahomes' drifting back in the pocket.

Remmers has ZERO athleticism. And with Osemele being a stiff on the other side, if you have 2 guards that essentially cannot pull, you're removing a lot of stuff from your arsenal.

Remmers is well suited to be the backup G/T on this squad but I really don't think we want him starting for us. Guy just doesn't move well enough.

[Dante84]

It sure looked like Remmers made them better and more physical at RG. Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if Wylie had another injury so we could see what it looked like without Wylie for a while.

Schwartz looks to have lost a little physical ability, potentially. Not quite as powerful. He's also been burned by some of Mahomes' drifting back in the pocket.

Which might be a product of his neighbors sucking ass

[dirk digler]

I remain extremely confused as to the presence of Nick Keizer on this roster.

I mean what the !@#$ is it that he does well? He's routinely awful. Can't do anything in the pattern our out in space. Can't block. Manages to take long plays away from Kelce by reaching for balls that aren't his.

He's really friggen bad. I don't think we need for TEs on this roster and we definitely don't need 3 plus whatever POS boat anchor Keizer is.

I would really like to see what Ricky can do.

[Chief Roundup]

I remain extremely confused as to the presence of Nick Keizer on this roster.

I mean what the !@#$ is it that he does well? He's routinely awful. Can't do anything in the pattern our out in space. Can't block. Manages to take long plays away from Kelce by reaching for balls that aren't his.

He's really friggen bad. I don't think we need for TEs on this roster and we definitely don't need 3 plus whatever POS boat anchor Keizer is.

Yet the likes of Andy Reid and Eric Bieniemy have him ahead of Yelder and RSJ.

[OKchiefs]

Not shocking, just like with linebacker you can't really expect them to be great when you invest little on the position and count on journeyman types. Just hope it doesn't get Mahomes injured again. The one investment we did have at the position probably should have told the team he wasn't committed to playing this year before we drafted him, and I personally don't see how you can put much confidence in him going forward.

[Dunerdr]

Well thats it, time to convert Brandon Albert to guard.

[Pitt Gorilla]

I made a similar thread about a year ago. Wylie got hurt and Reiter improved a ton. I just don’t think Wylie is very good at all.

[Pitt Gorilla]

I remain extremely confused as to the presence of Nick Keizer on this roster.

I mean what the !@#$ is it that he does well? He's routinely awful. Can't do anything in the pattern our out in space. Can't block. Manages to take long plays away from Kelce by reaching for balls that aren't his.

He's really friggen bad. I don't think we need for TEs on this roster and we definitely don't need 3 plus whatever POS boat anchor Keizer is.

I posted about this the other day. I think they saw him as their Blake Bell replacement. So far, he can’t even do that.

[MahomesMagic]

Kansas City has not invested resources at Guard Center Guard.

Because we have Mahomes and all these weapons it is often masked but it is a weakness.

[DRM08]

Kansas City has not invested resources at Guard Center Guard.

Because we have Mahomes and all these weapons it is often masked but it is a weakness.

OL needs to become more of a priority pretty soon, hopefully starting with the 2021 Draft. Fisher & Schwartz are good, but they're getting older and won't be around forever. Middle of the OL is a problem as we all know.

[DJ's left nut]

Which might be a product of his neighbors sucking ass

I'm sorry, but Schwartz letting 1v1 matchups ride him directly into Mahomes lap has nothing to do with the RG or C.

He's simply not playing well.

And you're simultaneously heaping a disproportionate amount of blame on those 2 without acknowledging the role Schwartz has played as well as the rough game both Fisher AND Osemele (not to mention Mahomes) had in the only truly bad game the OL played this year against SD.

These two guys aren't great players - they aren't gonna give you a lot of great football. But they're good pass blockers who will give you credible performance. Such is the nature of a cap league - gotta rob peter to pay Paul if you're gonna maintain 7 guys on your roster who are at/near the top of their respective position groups.

Would I like them to be better? Sure - and keep an eye on weeks 8-10 to see if Rankin gets back and makes a difference. But they're viable NFL players who by and large perform admirably.

[DJ's left nut]

Yet the likes of Andy Reid and Eric Bieniemy have him ahead of Yelder and RSJ.

Hence my question to the audience.

Are YOU seeing something I'm not?

Because it's readily apparent that EB and Andy are.

[RunKC]

We’ll get Niang back and I think he’s a great candidate for either G position, however I think we need to make an investment again. I’d like another top 100 pick at C or G. Maybe our 2nd which will be a sweet spot for those players.

[kgrund]

When would Rankins be able to return and possibly get in the mix at Guard?

[DJ's left nut]

When would Rankins be able to return and possibly get in the mix at Guard?

Earliest he can return is week 7 against Denver (IIRC).

I don't imagine there's any chance he returns that early - Reid will want him to get a lot of team reps first.

If he proves capable of helping, I'm guessing week 10 is when Reid may send him out there. But ultimately HE'S the guy that they have to hope seizes the job because Remmers just isn't up for it over any appreciable timeline, IMO. He really limits what we can do on the ground and we're already struggling in that regard. As for pass pro, he's pretty much a wash with Wylie.

But if Rankin takes the gig, he'll have to clearly deserve it because we know how much Andy hates tinkering with his OL in-season. Continuity is huge for him.

[Dante84]

I'm sorry, but Schwartz letting 1v1 matchups ride him directly into Mahomes lap has nothing to do with the RG or C.

He's simply not playing well.

And you're simultaneously heaping a disproportionate amount of blame on those 2 without acknowledging the role Schwartz has played as well as the rough game both Fisher AND Osemele (not to mention Mahomes) had in the only truly bad game the OL played this year against SD.

These two guys aren't great players - they aren't gonna give you a lot of great football. But they're good pass blockers who will give you credible performance. Such is the nature of a cap league - gotta rob peter to pay Paul if you're gonna maintain 7 guys on your roster who are at/near the top of their respective position groups.

Would I like them to be better? Sure - and keep an eye on weeks 8-10 to see if Rankin gets back and makes a difference. But they're viable NFL players who by and large perform admirably.

Fair enough, but Schwartz is an All-Pro who was elite last season, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

[Titty Meat]

I made a similar thread about a year ago. Wylie got hurt and Reiter improved a ton. I just don’t think Wylie is very good at all.

Hes not. He got cut by the Colts a few years ago when they had one of the worst lines in the league. Its amazing people have defended that turd.

[ChiefBlueCFC]

There was a reason why the Chiefs running game was more effective when Wylie went out. There is also a reason why Wylie didn't play again after Wisneiwski came in for him. I keep thinking they are going to address center and or guard and they don't exactly do it.

[DJ's left nut]

There was a reason why the Chiefs running game was more effective when Wylie went out. There is also a reason why Wylie didn't play again after Wisneiwski came in for him. I keep thinking they are going to address center and or guard and they don't exactly do it.

The Chiefs had their best game of the season on the ground in Week 1 against the Texans with Wylie in the starting lineup.

The running game writ large improved in 2019 when Fisher and LDT returned, as well as once Williams got healthy and back in a groove.

Setting all that aside - who cares? Wylie's strength isn't in run blocking, nor is the offense designed around it - he's a pass-blocker...on a passing team. What he DOES do is present a credible threat to kick out on a pull and thus gives the sprint actions, etc... more weight in situations where the Chiefs are going to PASS out of them.

You put Remmers in there and those spring actions are going to be less effective because nobody is going to cheat to keep an angle on Mike Remmers - he's way too heavy footed.

The team isn't better w/ Remmers at RG than Wylie. It might be better w/ Rankin there if he returns healthy because he maintains Wylie's athleticism with better functional strength. So you can present the same actions and get similar responses.

You put Remmers in there full-time and it will be immediately apparent how incapable he is of getting to the outside and all those little tricky window dressing things we do will be less viable.

[St. Patty's Fire]

Our interior line was a problem last season and it’s a problem this season

The offensive line is passable, mainly bc of our tackles, but it’s the next area that Veach needs to address. Especially run blocking o line man. Our dudes can’t get a push most of the time.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

It's no coincidence that everyone says Fisher is playing better than Schwartz with Osemele next to him. I don't think Eric has ever had such a presence next to him at LG. It does make a huge difference for a tackle to have a monster like him playing beside you.

I honestly really didn't fully realize just how bad Reiter and Wylie were until I saw Osemele out their just mauling people every week. That dude is the most impressive interior lineman we've had on this team in quite some time. We really need another guy like that at RG, and then maybe you get away with having a guy like Reiter at center. The combo of Reiter and Wylie though is simply not cutting it.

[Pitt Gorilla]

I think the Chiefs would like Niang to replace Schwartz long term.

[DaneMcCloud]

Yet the likes of Andy Reid and Eric Bieniemy have him ahead of Yelder and RSJ.

Andy Reid is one of the greatest coaches in NFL history, but he is not infallible.

[cmh6476]

I thought corner would be a high priority going into next year's draft. It's probably OL help.

[Chief Roundup]

Andy Reid is one of the greatest coaches in NFL history, but he is not infallible.This is very true. He may have too much faith in Tom Melvin. I will still believe that those guys who see all of these players are evaluating them properly. We have not seen RSJ and extremely limited amounts of Yeldor to know or say they are misevaluating these players.

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[htismaqe]

I think the Chiefs would like Niang to replace Schwartz long term.

Schwartz doesn't look like Schwartz this season at all.

[dannybcaitlyn]

As long as Andy Heck is at the helm of the O-line it will always be mediocre.

[Megatron96]

Haven't been a Wylie/Reiter fan for at least a season now, but I think we might want to pump the brakes just a little. These guys didn't have the benefit of a normal off-season, camp, or preseason game snaps to get them in game shape and also allow them to develop the chemistry they had last season.

This week is basically supposed to be their first regular season game, not the fifth. It might take them a few more weeks to really get their shite together. Especially with a new OG and Wylie now playing the RG exclusively.

This is just a guess, as I never spent much time thinking about OL play, but I've seen shows where they break it down, and it seems like there's a lot of things that have to happen to have good OL play in the NFL. It's kind of like a choreographed dance number, IMO. If just one guy doesn't hit his marks, the whole thing kind of collapses.

Though watching Wylie and Reiter get spun around as much as they do, and pretty much how they were getting turned around last season, is hard to watch.

[pipe dream] What I wouldn't give to have Jason Kelce in there as our C . . .

[WhiteWhale]

The Chiefs had their best game of the season on the ground in Week 1 against the Texans with Wylie in the starting lineup.

The running game writ large improved in 2019 when Fisher and LDT returned, as well as once Williams got healthy and back in a groove.

Setting all that aside - who cares? Wylie's strength isn't in run blocking, nor is the offense designed around it - he's a pass-blocker...on a passing team. What he DOES do is present a credible threat to kick out on a pull and thus gives the sprint actions, etc... more weight in situations where the Chiefs are going to PASS out of them.

You put Remmers in there and those spring actions are going to be less effective because nobody is going to cheat to keep an angle on Mike Remmers - he's way too heavy footed.

The team isn't better w/ Remmers at RG than Wylie. It might be better w/ Rankin there if he returns healthy because he maintains Wylie's athleticism with better functional strength. So you can present the same actions and get similar responses.

You put Remmers in there full-time and it will be immediately apparent how incapable he is of getting to the outside and all those little tricky window dressing things we do will be less viable.

This is an annoying problem where all solutions are bad.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Haven't been a Wylie/Reiter fan for at least a season now, but I think we might want to pump the brakes just a little. These guys didn't have the benefit of a normal off-season, camp, or preseason game snaps to get them in game shape and also allow them to develop the chemistry they had last season.

This week is basically supposed to be their first regular season game, not the fifth. It might take them a few more weeks to really get their shite together. Especially with a new OG and Wylie now playing the RG exclusively.

This is just a guess, as I never spent much time thinking about OL play, but I've seen shows where they break it down, and it seems like there's a lot of things that have to happen to have good OL play in the NFL. It's kind of like a choreographed dance number, IMO. If just one guy doesn't hit his marks, the whole thing kind of collapses.

Though watching Wylie and Reiter get spun around as much as they do, and pretty much how they were getting turned around last season, is hard to watch.

[pipe dream] What I wouldn't give to have Jason Kelce in there as our C . . .

Honestly, Wylie needs replaced long before Reiter.

[Munson]

Kansas City has not invested resources at Guard Center Guard.

Because we have Mahomes and all these weapons it is often masked but it is a weakness.

And it's showing.

Our short yardage running game is complete ass. We can't seem to get any push up the middle.

[Coogs]

So run it to the left. :shrug:

[O.city]

The ol is always more sum than parts. It takes time. They would hopefully improve as the season goes on as they had no preseason.

I’m not too worried about Schwartz

[Demonpenz]

Hoo boy where to start

[Titty Meat]

The Chiefs had their best game of the season on the ground in Week 1 against the Texans with Wylie in the starting lineup.

The running game writ large improved in 2019 when Fisher and LDT returned, as well as once Williams got healthy and back in a groove.

Setting all that aside - who cares? Wylie's strength isn't in run blocking, nor is the offense designed around it - he's a pass-blocker...on a passing team. What he DOES do is present a credible threat to kick out on a pull and thus gives the sprint actions, etc... more weight in situations where the Chiefs are going to PASS out of them.

You put Remmers in there and those spring actions are going to be less effective because nobody is going to cheat to keep an angle on Mike Remmers - he's way too heavy footed.

The team isn't better w/ Remmers at RG than Wylie. It might be better w/ Rankin there if he returns healthy because he maintains Wylie's athleticism with better functional strength. So you can present the same actions and get similar responses.

You put Remmers in there full-time and it will be immediately apparent how incapable he is of getting to the outside and all those little tricky window dressing things we do will be less viable.

Too lazy to look it up but where does the Texans defense rank? I recall CEH having success running the ball but we struggled in the red zone and I'll have to look up how we did in short yardage. I do remember Sherman converting on a 4th down.

I agree with you Remmers probably isnt the answer. Unfortunately the answer likely is Veach pulling off another waiver wire signing like Wiz last year which absolutely made a difference and likely is what helped us beat the 49ers in the super bowl.

[Chief Roundup]

Kansas City has not invested resources at Guard Center Guard.

Because we have Mahomes and all these weapons it is often masked but it is a weakness.

And it's showing.

Our short yardage running game is complete ass. We can't seem to get any push up the middle.

Allegretti and Niang say hello. Niang was a T in college but being drafted in the 3rd he was most likely gonna be there this year or next.
Careful wanting to draft fatties around here. You will get scolded or worse.

[Titty Meat]

The ol is always more sum than parts. It takes time. They would hopefully improve as the season goes on as they had no preseason.

I’m not too worried about Schwartz

He ain't the biggest problem but hes coming up on 10 years in the league and is on the wrong side of 30 so regression was bound to happen.

Offensive line is fine as long as we can fix some of those red zone issues.

[Titty Meat]

Let's just file this under you have a QB playing at MVP level with a top 10 offense and a top 10 defense the small deficiencies like interior oline play really stick out undefeated problems.

[htismaqe]

Allegretti and Niang say hello. Niang was a T in college but being drafted in the 3rd he was most likely gonna be there this year or next.
Careful wanting to draft fatties around here. You will get scolded or worse.

What makes you think they want to play Niang inside other than that's where people think help is needed?

He looks like a right tackle to me.

[htismaqe]

He ain't the biggest problem but hes coming up on 10 years in the league and is on the wrong side of 30 so regression was bound to happen.


Yep.

[Pitt Gorilla]

The Chiefs have had success in drafting incredible centers. They simply haven't chosen to KEEP these players.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZTvtSKXwu0o/maxresdefault.jpg

[Titty Meat]

The Chiefs have had success in drafting incredible centers. They simply haven't chosen to KEEP these players.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZTvtSKXwu0o/maxresdefault.jpg

We had the best offense in 2018 without an elite center and a top 5 offense without. We wouldnt have made the playoffs in 15 without Maclin. Couldnt have signed him had we paid Hudson what the Raiders paid, Morse has too many concussions and Ruiz was gone when we picked.

What do you suggest we should have done? Wylie is much more of a problem than Rieter.

[WhiteWhale]

What makes you think they want to play Niang inside other than that's where people think help is needed?

He looks like a right tackle to me.

I think that because both Reid and veach directly stated as much in post draft pressers.

[htismaqe]

The Chiefs have had success in drafting incredible centers. They simply haven't chosen to KEEP these players.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZTvtSKXwu0o/maxresdefault.jpg

Well Pioli didn't want to pay Hudson but Pioli is also an idiot.

The Morse thing was understandable. Head injuries are a difficult thing to mitigate and he's had another in Buffalo.

[htismaqe]

I think that because both Reid and veach directly stated as much in post draft pressers.

IIRC, they said they were going to get him reps at guard to get him started and then work out to the tackles because that's the way Andy and Heck like to do things.

They never said he was going to settle at guard, just start there.

[kccrow]

I don't care for either Reiter or Wylie and I especially think Wylie is the bigger problem. That said, I can't fathom Veach retaining either in the offseason. It's time to move on and find new blood. I do tend to think, from a draft perspective, this regime will look at OC first but that's more on history than anything.

I'd love if Veach could retain Osemele for a couple years and find replacements at the other spots.

As for Niang, I think he was drafted to be Schwartz's replacement.

[Chief Roundup]

What makes you think they want to play Niang inside other than that's where people think help is needed?

He looks like a right tackle to me.IIRC, they said they were going to get him reps at guard to get him started and then work out to the tackles because that's the way Andy and Heck like to do things.

They never said he was going to settle at guard, just start there.Dude you do realize that is exactly what I said.

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[Chief Roundup]

As for Niang, I think he was drafted to be Schwartz's replacement.

That was my assumption as well. RG for now hopefully RT in a couple years.

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[Dante84]

Welp, Reiter got kicked to the curb and I couldn't be happier.

[Dante84]

TODAY WAS A GOOD DAY


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[Chris Meck]

I'm so glad I don't have to watch either of those guys get thrown around like fucking ragdolls anymore.

I know some of you guys aren't as down on them as I was, but I spent a lot of time watching where all the pressure was coming from while Pat was making highlight reel plays the last couple of years and I blame these two guys above and beyond all others. They are just not NFL quality offensive linemen.

I'm sure they're nice fellas. Real lunch-pail guys. Hard workers.

But GTFO.

[tredadda]

I'm so glad I don't have to watch either of those guys get thrown around like fucking ragdolls anymore.

I know some of you guys aren't as down on them as I was, but I spent a lot of time watching where all the pressure was coming from while Pat was making highlight reel plays the last couple of years and I blame these two guys above and beyond all others. They are just not NFL quality offensive linemen.

I'm sure they're nice fellas. Real lunch-pail guys. Hard workers.

But GTFO.

Were they also cerebral with non stop motors?

[ping2000]

"They're fucking dead Jim." - Insert McCoy GIF.

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[Hammock Parties]

valuable backups

[Easy 6]

valuable backups

For the Texans, maybe

[TwistedChief]

I'm so glad I don't have to watch either of those guys get thrown around like fucking ragdolls anymore.

I know some of you guys aren't as down on them as I was, but I spent a lot of time watching where all the pressure was coming from while Pat was making highlight reel plays the last couple of years and I blame these two guys above and beyond all others. They are just not NFL quality offensive linemen.

I'm sure they're nice fellas. Real lunch-pail guys. Hard workers.

But GTFO.

The reality is we got used to their mediocrity. We accepted it because we knew nothing else. Mahomes made the offense go and we were able to paper over our digust for the interior OL performance.

When the tackles melted in the SB, the interior performance just seemed so much more disgusting. Those guys had been coddled for the last couple seasons in a triage ward, but they've been the primary problem since day one.

GTFO indeed.

[ping2000]

UPS is hiring.

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[Wisconsin_Chief]

Literally no reason to even bring Wylie to camp with a 3 million tender.

Get him off the books and use that money for Ingram.

[ChiefsFanatic]

I'm so glad I don't have to watch either of those guys get thrown around like fucking ragdolls anymore.

I know some of you guys aren't as down on them as I was, but I spent a lot of time watching where all the pressure was coming from while Pat was making highlight reel plays the last couple of years and I blame these two guys above and beyond all others. They are just not NFL quality offensive linemen.

I'm sure they're nice fellas. Real lunch-pail guys. Hard workers.

But GTFO.It seemed like every time Mahomes was sacked in the pocket, Wylie was just standing there with his hands on his hips, watching it happen because more often than not it was his man making the sack.

I honestly can't count the number of times Wylie had to turn around backwards and chase his man from behind because he either whiffed completely, or lost leverage at contact and got discarded like dirt on Jay-Z's shoulder.

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[TEX]

Literally no reason to even bring Wylie to camp with a 3 million tender.

Get him off the books and use that money for Ingram.

Exactly. Drop the mic...

[htismaqe]

Literally no reason to even bring Wylie to camp with a 3 million tender.

Get him off the books and use that money for Ingram.

Unfortunately they already tendered him. He’s on the books for 2021 so they wouldn’t save anything by cutting him.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Unfortunately they already tendered him. He’s on the books for 2021 so they wouldn’t save anything by cutting him.

According to Over The Cap, restricted tenders are non-guaranteed.

We can drop that turd like a bad habit and save the full $3+ million.

[htismaqe]

According to Over The Cap, restricted tenders are non-guaranteed.

We can drop that turd like a bad habit and save the full $3+ million.

Oh that’s great then.

[RunKC]

It’s gonna be so great when it’s 3rd/4th and short and we get 5 yards every time even though the entire planet knows we’re running LMAO

Just line up Trey Smith as the extra lineman. Or hell put his ass at FB

[wazu]

I'm so excited for the Chiefs to cut Wylie. Just can't wait until he's officially off the team.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

I'm so excited for the Chiefs to cut Wylie. Just can't wait until he's officially off the team.

Yes! :clap:

[RealSNR]

Let’s say tales of Kyle Long’s return to football were far overblown and the chiefs decide he can’t help us out this year.

Are we really going to keep 5 guards? LDT, Thuney, Allegretti, Smith. He would be the fifth. We’d also have two centers, and just our two tackles (without Remmers) would make 9 OL before we think about keeping Wylie as a 10th. And that’s only if Kyle Long can’t play anymore. If he does, then Wylie would be the 11th. We’re not keeping 11 fucking OL.

He’s toast. Completely and utterly.

[oldman]

Did the NFL keep the 55 man roster this season? With 17 games now, I'd like to see that expanded to 57-8 and game day activites to 48-9, without 1 of them being the #3 QB. Those guys are going to get tired towards the end of the season.

[Hammock Parties]

Let’s say tales of Kyle Long’s return to football were far overblown and the chiefs decide he can’t help us out this year.

Are we really going to keep 5 guards? LDT, Thuney, Allegretti, Smith. He would be the fifth. We’d also have two centers, and just our two tackles (without Remmers) would make 9 OL before we think about keeping Wylie as a 10th. And that’s only if Kyle Long can’t play anymore. If he does, then Wylie would be the 11th. We’re not keeping 11 fucking OL.

He’s toast. Completely and utterly.

Rather have Long on the roster than Nick Spaghetti.

[Chris Meck]

Rather have Long on the roster than Nick Spaghetti.

nah, Alegretti was the only interior lineman worth a fuck most of the season.

And he's got positional flexibility, is cheap, and young. He can play anywhere but OT.

Wylie can get the fuck out.

[Chris Meck]

Let’s say tales of Kyle Long’s return to football were far overblown and the chiefs decide he can’t help us out this year.

Are we really going to keep 5 guards? LDT, Thuney, Allegretti, Smith. He would be the fifth. We’d also have two centers, and just our two tackles (without Remmers) would make 9 OL before we think about keeping Wylie as a 10th. And that’s only if Kyle Long can’t play anymore. If he does, then Wylie would be the 11th. We’re not keeping 11 ****ing OL.

He’s toast. Completely and utterly.

Long was a pro-bowler at RT as well as OG. His positional flexibility and experience would mean he's safe as long as he's healthy. Big IF, but a healthy Long at what we paid for him would be the steal of FA.