Chiefs Why even try to run out a kickoff?? [Archive]

Mr. Wizard

10-13-2020, 03:09 PM

Is there any reason to run out a kickoff anymore? The refs are going to find a hold to call virtually every time now so the risk of trying to gain more than 25 yards is negated so often you lose more than you gain. I know someone out there can look up stats on this. Am I wrong?

PS Mecole has not made good decisions on returns lately. The ball he let go by Patrick was pissed about and the ball he let go between his legs was almost a turnover. These are lack of judgement mistakes.

Megatron96

10-13-2020, 03:24 PM

Two questionable decisions by one kick returner is not a solid basis for an argument to get rid of kick returns . . . in stats/probability class we'd say that the data set was "of insufficient size to make a determining."

seclark

10-13-2020, 03:27 PM

because you play to win the game!
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DaFace

10-13-2020, 03:28 PM

No, but often the ball is kicked right to the goal line. A returner doesn't have time to look down and see if he's a half yard in or out of the end zone before taking off, so if it's close, they're gonna run it out.

MIAdragon

10-13-2020, 03:28 PM

Two questionable decisions by one kick returner is not a solid basis for an argument to get rid of kick returns . . . in stats/probability class we'd say that the data set was "of insufficient size to make a determining."

You don’t have to get “rid of it” but let it the **** go out of the end zone.

Megatron96

10-13-2020, 03:35 PM

You don’t have to get “rid of it” but let it the **** go out of the end zone.

Why? Just because it seems like they throw a lot of flags during returns?

Seems like you'd just be eliminating a possible big play/scoring opportunity, just because some fans feel like it's not worth the chance the refs won't throw a flag.

htismaqe

10-13-2020, 03:36 PM

It's a league wide issue.

Go back and watch the game last night when guys were returning kicks after taking them 8 yards deep in the end zone.

eDave

10-13-2020, 03:37 PM

Glory, spark, momentum.

oldman

10-13-2020, 03:54 PM

What is the average return on a kick into the endzone this year? I'd bet it's less than 25 yards. The return is one of the most exciting plays in football, but taking one out if you're more than 4 yards deep is just foolish unless all you have to beat is the kicker.

DaFace

10-13-2020, 03:59 PM

What is the average return on a kick into the endzone this year? I'd bet it's less than 25 yards. The return is one of the most exciting plays in football, but taking one out if you're more than 4 yards deep is just foolish unless all you have to beat is the kicker.

Not sure if there's an easy source for this year, but here's an analysis using 2018 data. In short, you're better taking a knee on average.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2019/return-or-not-return

New World Order

10-13-2020, 04:16 PM

We need the X-Factor

Mr. Wizard

10-13-2020, 06:52 PM

Not sure if there's an easy source for this year, but here's an analysis using 2018 data. In short, you're better taking a knee on average.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2019/return-or-not-return

Exactly, I would like to bet that this year its' even more slanted. The rules and the refs are trying to take the kickoff and the punt out of the game, they just don't want to admit it.

kccrow

10-13-2020, 07:09 PM

Unless you absolutely need to try and make a special teams play late in the game, don't return a kick.

L.A. Chieffan

10-13-2020, 07:10 PM

Because you might score a TD?

jerryaldini

10-13-2020, 07:24 PM

Am I wrong?

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Mr. Wizard is never wrong! If he is I don't wanna be right. Hey Wiz, can you confirm whether the Bill-Titans got postponed?

Mr. Wizard

10-13-2020, 07:51 PM

Mr. Wizard is never wrong! If he is I don't wanna be right. Hey Wiz, can you confirm whether the Bill-Titans got postponed?

It’s been moved to Wednesday. I’m guessing the titans win

BWillie

10-13-2020, 07:56 PM

I don't think teams should EVER try to block a punt unless they are down multiple scores. Sooo many roughing the poor wittle kicker penalties.

Great Expectations

10-13-2020, 08:17 PM

I don't think teams should EVER try to block a punt unless they are down multiple scores. Sooo many roughing the poor wittle kicker penalties.

It depends on how good your offense is. Of course we should never try, but if you are the Colts or some defensive minded team I could see some situations where it makes sense.

lcarus

10-13-2020, 09:31 PM

I don't think teams should EVER try to block a punt unless they are down multiple scores. Sooo many roughing the poor wittle kicker penalties.

When I see one of our guys running free towards the punter before he's punted, I should be thinking "Oh yes he might block this" but instead I'm thinking "oh good god don't touch him"

htismaqe

10-13-2020, 09:37 PM

I don't think teams should EVER try to block a punt unless they are down multiple scores. Sooo many roughing the poor wittle kicker penalties.

I agree. The risk outweighs the reward anymore.

jerryaldini

10-13-2020, 09:40 PM

It’s been moved to Wednesday. I’m guessing the titans win

You were right yet again Mr. Wizard! Only return the kick if you have Dante Hall or Tamarick Vanover. Or Hardman in the divisional playoff when youre down huge.

Redbled

10-13-2020, 09:41 PM

Chiefs should rarely run it out. Downsides are holding calls, turnovers and injuries. Upside is pretty much nothing the vast majority of the time. I complain about it almost weekly.

TinyEvel

10-13-2020, 11:30 PM

We don’t need to run it out when we can just start on our own 25 and with one pass to Tyreek Mahomes has Us on their 10. ��

JakeF

10-14-2020, 02:24 AM

Is there any reason to run out a kickoff anymore? The refs are going to find a hold to call virtually every time now so the risk of trying to gain more than 25 yards is negated so often you lose more than you gain. I know someone out there can look up stats on this. Am I wrong?

PS Mecole has not made good decisions on returns lately. The ball he let go by Patrick was pissed about and the ball he let go between his legs was almost a turnover. These are lack of judgement mistakes.
No point in returning it

Also why in the fuck to the Chiefs take the risk of kicking it to the 1 yard line instead of just kicking it out? It's not worth the risk. We had one returned for a touchdown. You never know when a player will get hurt. Unless the refs calls a penalty it's better to just kick it out and play defense.

Dayze

10-14-2020, 07:08 AM

I never watch the kick off; I either fast forward through it if I have it on DVR; or I use it as extra time for bathroom break / grab beer.
to me, the kickoff is just about pointless with where they kick off from, power of today's kickers; and even IF you return it, there will be a penalty.

what should be such an exciting play / time of the game....kickoffs are boring. rarely anything good happens from them. either tackled short of where a touchback would've been, flag, injury etc.

meh.

DaFace

10-26-2020, 02:26 PM

:hmmm:

htismaqe

10-26-2020, 02:29 PM

:hmmm:

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cmh6476

10-26-2020, 02:58 PM

Because, Chiefs.

ROYC75

10-26-2020, 03:41 PM

Why?
Why?
Why?

A return TD/ or big return from time to time. > they do get a team motivated at times. Ref: last year in the playoffs and even yesterday.

Sometimes it will produce TURNOVERS! > Ref: Dirty Dan in last year's playoffs.

Why?
Why?
Oh why?

Rasputin

10-26-2020, 03:48 PM

When I see one of our guys running free towards the punter before he's punted, I should be thinking "Oh yes he might block this" but instead I'm thinking "oh good god don't touch him"

It was never like that with Albert Lewis that guy could block punts like no other.

CarlosCarson27

10-26-2020, 03:57 PM

Because sometimes in electric football, it's the only way you'll score

Bwana

10-26-2020, 03:59 PM

htismaqe

10-26-2020, 04:00 PM

Ok, be honest, how many of you were doing what I was doing and waiting for a flag, right after that return?
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I know I was. Seems like every return has a flag.

Bwana

10-26-2020, 04:01 PM

I know I was. Seems like every return has a flag.

Yep

Dartgod

10-26-2020, 04:06 PM

Ok, be honest, how many of you were doing what I was doing and waiting for a flag, right after that return?

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Coach

10-26-2020, 04:45 PM

Ok, be honest, how many of you were doing what I was doing and waiting for a flag, right after that return?
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I know I was. I was saying to my wife in Rob Schneider's voice on the Necessary Roughness.

Chuck Neiderman: There's no flag. [pause]. There should be.

Megatron96

10-26-2020, 04:54 PM

Didn't Pringle score a TD yesterday on a return?

Mr. Wizard

10-26-2020, 05:56 PM

:harumph:I have no idea why Pringle ran that ball out. We might have gotten a flag on that play :harumph: It is obvious he does not read the planet or he would have known better.

PS my inside information say we May picking up a rb soon. His name will ring a “bell”. You heard it here first. :harumph:

2bikemike

10-26-2020, 07:35 PM

I was watching yesterday with a buddy and just as Pringle started to come out of the end zone I hollered out "No Pringle don't run it out" and then I quickly changed my mind as I saw him crossing the 30 and said "OK Pringle go...go!

Megatron96

10-26-2020, 07:36 PM

I was watching yesterday with a buddy and just as Pringle started to come out of the end zone I hollered out "No Pringle don't run it out" and then I quickly changed my mind as I saw him crossing the 30 and said "OK Pringle go...go!

Which is exactly why teams should try to run them out when given a decent opportunity.

King_Chief_Fan

10-26-2020, 07:42 PM

Is there any reason to run out a kickoff anymore? The refs are going to find a hold to call virtually every time now so the risk of trying to gain more than 25 yards is negated so often you lose more than you gain. I know someone out there can look up stats on this. Am I wrong?

PS Mecole has not made good decisions on returns lately. The ball he let go by Patrick was pissed about and the ball he let go between his legs was almost a turnover. These are lack of judgement mistakes.

Pringle says hi!

tyecopeland

10-26-2020, 07:47 PM

No point in returning it

Also why in the fuck to the Chiefs take the risk of kicking it to the 1 yard line instead of just kicking it out? It's not worth the risk. We had one returned for a touchdown. You never know when a player will get hurt. Unless the refs calls a penalty it's better to just kick it out and play defense.

So you argue its better to let it go as a return team but then also argue thats its better to kick it out as the kicking team. It can't be better both ways.

dj56dt58

10-26-2020, 08:29 PM

So you argue its better to let it go as a return team but then also argue thats its better to kick it out as the kicking team. It can't be better both ways.
It could. As the kicking team of you kick it short it’s easier to return it past the 25 where most kickoffs into the end zone taken out don’t seem to make it or are Called for holding

DTVietnam

10-26-2020, 08:33 PM

because it s the reason we won the superbowl

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KChiefs1

10-26-2020, 08:47 PM

I want Pringle returning every kick from now on. Dude sees a hole & hits it.
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tyecopeland

10-26-2020, 08:50 PM

It could. As the kicking team of you kick it short it’s easier to return it past the 25 where most kickoffs into the end zone taken out don’t seem to make it or are Called for holding

Not really because you are adding hangtime to allow your tacklers to get down the field. I dont have stats in front of me, but I'd say even the kicks fielded out of the end zone dont make it past the 25 the vast majority of the time.

Megatron96

10-26-2020, 09:34 PM

I don't remember anyone this worried about whether we returned a kick or not when Dante Hall was running them back. I remember HOPING our opponents would be dumb enough to kick it to him.

Did Chiefs' fans just become a bunch of pussies since then?

morphius

10-27-2020, 06:41 AM

With our offense, it doesn't bother me starting at the 10 or the 15. If it looks like a good ball to run out, go for it.

Mugalug

10-27-2020, 08:49 AM

So you argue its better to let it go as a return team but then also argue thats its better to kick it out as the kicking team. It can't be better both ways.

Have you never read a Jake F post?

Bugeater

10-27-2020, 11:44 AM

I don't remember anyone this worried about whether we returned a kick or not when Dante Hall was running them back. I remember HOPING our opponents would be dumb enough to kick it to him.

Did Chiefs' fans just become a bunch of pussies since then?
There's been rule changes since those days...

Megatron96

10-27-2020, 12:47 PM

There's been rule changes since those days...

I don't care about the rule changes, tbh.

Decisions about whether to return a kick or kicking the ball into the EZ are situational not mathematical, IMO. There are time when you kick it out the back of the EZ every time, like when Hester was in his prime. Kicking to that guy was epically stupid. But guys like Hester are rare.

The Chiefs have a couple of the most dangerous returners in the league right now, and any decent coach is going to try and maximize their impact, especially in a competitive game. Use every tool at your disposal.

And our kicking/punt team has generated good stops and even a few turnovers for our team. Are they the best? I don't know, but I'd bet they're somewhere in the top 10. Most of the time our ST does a pretty good job game in and game out.

I don't see how it makes sense to tie their hands behind their back. They have the athletes and the coaches to help the team win; let them do their jobs.