Can we talk about Tershawn Wharton?

[staylor26]

This guy is like really fucking good.

He’s playing so well as an UDFA rookie at a position where guys just simply don’t usually play that well until year 2 or 3.

His upside is extremely high for a guy that’s just a rotational player right now. Him and Jones as our interior pass rushers is going to be unfair for the next few years.

[nychief]

I've thought about this... it's unreal, actually. I can't think of an UDFA at an interior position from a school like Rolla that has made the jump like this kid. I mean he has tremendous potential.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

He’s rated as the second best Rookie defensive lineman behind Chase Young

[Hoover]

Its like hitting the lottery.

Allows us to let KPass walk after the season. Never going to be able to pay him what he will demand on the market anyway. Hopefully we will get a nice comp pick out of the deal.

[Pitt Gorilla]

He's incredible and has been since day/game 1. Both him and Danna were steals.

[staylor26]

He’s rated as the second best Rookie defensive lineman behind Chase Young

I know it’s PFF, but holy shit!

It’s really not all that surprising though when you think about it. Like I said, that’s a position where guys usually don’t play this well in year 1.

[RealSNR]

His size probably prevents him from being starting material, but with a DC like Spags, I see him getting used a LOT in key situations because he's so good and slicing through shit down the middle like a knife.

Think Wallace Gilberry but with a lot more athletic potential.

[Pitt Gorilla]

I remember folks wanting to use a first on Epenesa.

[htismaqe]

I remember folks wanting to use a first on Epenesa.

Epinesa is a DE, Wharton is a DT. Not sure what you're getting at here?

[mililo4cpa]

that hustle play to force the fumble in Denver was fantastic....guy never quits moving

[Chiefs=Champions]

Would be interested in knowing what he weighs currently. 255 seems way under for how he plays and what he looks like.

[staylor26]

His size probably prevents him from being starting material, but with a DC like Spags, I see him getting used a LOT in key situations because he's so good and slicing through shit down the middle like a knife.

Think Wallace Gilberry but with a lot more athletic potential.

Technically he will probably never be a starter for us, but nowadays when you’re playing in subs for the majority of the game, he’s going to get a ton of snaps.

Him and Jones are a lot to deal with on passing downs.

[Dante84]

I’m sure Khalen Saunders was given a break to rest up this past week, but it did appear like he was a healthy scratch.

That makes me wonder... did the emergence of Wharton make him a possible trade piece?

[SuperChief]

A whole lotta headscratcher takes in here already. Saunders trade bait? Not a starter because of his size? Wtf lol

[kcclone]

We had a phenomenal draft/UDFA from what I can tell- CEH, Danna, Sneed, Wharton and Gay. Plus we have Niang which could possibly give us some OL help next year.

[BossChief]

I’m sure Khalen Saunders was given a break to rest up this past week, but it did appear like he was a healthy scratch.

That makes me wonder... did the emergence of Wharton make him a possible trade piece?

Interesting idea.

Jones
Pennel
Saunders
Wharton
Nnadi

I’m not sure it’s smart to move someone unless the trade is a homerun.

[oldman]

I question if we want to give up on Saunders yet. Pennel is on a 1-year deal. True enough, no one was beatng down his door to offer him a contract last year, but that may not be the case after this year. How much longer do we have Nnadi locked up?

[Megatron96]

I question if we want to give up on Saunders yet. Pennel is on a 1-year deal. True enough, no one was beatng down his door to offer him a contract last year, but that may not be the case after this year. How much longer do we have Nnadi locked up?

Nnadi is slated to become a FA in 2022.

I always got the feeling that Saunders was basically Nnadi's back-up, at least for another year. If he pans out, then think about trading Nnadi.

[dlphg9]

Pretty sweet to have DTs like we do now after having to endure Ryan Simms and the trash that followed him at the position.

[Dunerdr]

Is it just me or has Pennel really not been a massive difference maker like he was last year? I seem to recall him getting blown off the ball several times.

[BigCatDaddy]

Is it just me or has Pennel really not been a massive difference maker like he was last year? I seem to recall him getting blown off the ball several times.

I was thinking that as well. It seems Raglands presence is also missed in the run game

[Dunerdr]

I was thinking that as well. It seems Raglands presence is also missed in the run game

If its not just me, its probably unlikely he makes it back next year.

[Wilson8]

I expect Wharton to continue to improve as he learns the DT role and technique from Brendan Daly and fellow DTs. Also think he will get even stronger in the next couple of years through the Chiefs weight training. In college he was playing a DE position at a much lighter weight, so he has the opportunity to really improve.

I don't really see that Mike Pennel is being used more looking at snap counts, but he is playing more like he is pacing himself. Last year he played with a huge rush of energy and could overwhelm his blocker to make the tackle.

[lcarus]

Is it just me or has Pennel really not been a massive difference maker like he was last year? I seem to recall him getting blown off the ball several times.

To me it just seems Pennel hasn't gotten a great deal of snaps. Maybe someone can find that out for me.

For what it's worth....he has a 73.7 grade on Pfffff.....

[wachashi]

6' 4" 255 lbs

Is that right? Dude is an absolute freak if he's holding his own on the inside at that weight.

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[htismaqe]

6' 4" 255 lbs

Is that right? Dude is an absolute freak if he's holding his own on the inside at that weight.


No, it's not right.

He played last year at 255.

He currently weighs about 285.

[htismaqe]

Pennel was suspended in a year with no real offseason. He's probably still a bit out of shape.

[O.city]

He's pretty athletic for that size too. Some experience and we may really have something here.

[BWillie]

I had no idea who this guy was. He made a play in one of our first games and I was like must have been a fluke deal. Then I keep seeing him make plays. UFDA off the scrap heap. King Veach strikes again.

[OKchiefs]

Based purely on size as a smaller DT, a possible comparison could be La'Roi Glover.

[WhiteWhale]

No, it's not right.

He played last year at 255.

He currently weighs about 285.

Looking at him I'm skeptical.

Much like the vikings did with john randall's weight, I think they're bulking him up on paper.

Remember randall? He started out as a 240 pound defensive tackle in the nfl. They always billed him heavier than he was.

[Wilson8]

6' 4" 255 lbs
Is that right? Dude is an absolute freak if he's holding his own on the inside at that weight.


To add to what htismaqe said, Wharton played DE at Missouri S&T (Rolla) and was listed at the 6'4", 255 pounds. Not sure what his weight actually was but when he participated in the 2020 East West Shrine Bowl, he was measured and weighed. He was 6'1" and weighed 280 pounds with a 76.25" arm span and 10.25" hands. His arms are only 31.25", so not long armed at all.

Chiefswire.com spoke with Brett Eiskina (Breakthrough Sports), a trainer for Wharton before the season and they said he was 290 pounds, ran a 4.7 40 time, 32 bench presses of 225, 35 inch vertical, and 10' broad jump.

I really did not believe all of the hype. Made me think of past hype for players that never panned out. He appears to be the real deal...sorry bad choice of words. He appears to be a good football player.

[JakeF]

He is quickly becoming our 2nd best defensive lineman. He mobility is excellent.

[Rain Man]

I once walked the same campus as Tershawn Wharton. That's going in my Christmas letter this year.

[Hydrae]

TURK!!!!

This man has been quite the find by Veach. I keep hearing his name when he is on the field so he is certainly making an impact. A couple games back he ran down a running back from behind. That impressed the crap out of me! A man of that size continuing the play and being able to move that fast was amazing.

[AdolfOliverBush]

I loved watching him throw Darnold like it was nothing. Skip to 3:02:

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[htismaqe]

Looking at him I'm skeptical.

Much like the vikings did with john randall's weight, I think they're bulking him up on paper.

Remember randall? He started out as a 240 pound defensive tackle in the nfl. They always billed him heavier than he was.

He weighed in at 280 at the Shrine Bowl.

EDIT: Seems like Wilson8 beat me to it.

[thabear04]

I loved watching him throw Darnold like it was nothing. Skip to 3:02:

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I wonder if he ever wrestle before when he picked up Darnold like that.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Looking at him I'm skeptical.

Much like the vikings did with john randall's weight, I think they're bulking him up on paper.

Remember randall? He started out as a 240 pound defensive tackle in the nfl. They always billed him heavier than he was.

John Randle had one of the thickest lower bodies... Dude was a beast.

(That sounded way more sexual than intended)

[Peter Gibbons]

I once walked the same campus as Tershawn Wharton. That's going in my Christmas letter this year.

Rainman, you went to Rolla? What was your major?
I was a ChE that graduated in 1993.

[DaneMcCloud]

Pennel was suspended in a year with no real offseason. He's probably still a bit out of shape.

Exactly.

I don't understand why people think these guys would have just picked up where they left off on Super Bowl Sunday, especially given the weirdness of 2020.

[Rain Man]

Rainman, you went to Rolla? What was your major?
I was a ChE that graduated in 1993.

No way. PM sent to compare notes.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Epinesa is a DE, Wharton is a DT. Not sure what you're getting at here?Wharton can do both. My point, though, was that he is putting up better numbers playing inside than Epinesa on the edge (as a UDFA vs. second rounder).

Granted, he's playing more, but that's a great indicator as well.

[Pitt Gorilla]

I once walked the same campus as Tershawn Wharton. That's going in my Christmas letter this year.How about epithet?

[htismaqe]

Wharton can do both. My point, though, was that he is putting up better numbers playing inside than Epinesa on the edge (as a UDFA vs. second rounder).

Granted, he's playing more, but that's a great indicator as well.

Ah. Make sense now.

[htismaqe]

How about epithet?

Did you mean epitaph? :D

[RockChalk]

Did you mean epitaph? :D

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[Pitt Gorilla]

Did you mean epitaph? :D

No! I don't want Rain Man dead. Yet.

[KChiefs1]

Great signing. Dude has been outplaying Jones & Clark.

[Groves]

Rainman, you went to Rolla? What was your major?
I was a ChE that graduated in 1993.


MetE, also 93.


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[DaneMcCloud]

Great signing. Dude has been outplaying Jones & Clark.

You’re fucking retarded.

[KChiefs1]

You’re ****ing retarded.

I maybe exaggerating a little but I'm impressed with him. I suppose you think he is worthless huh?

[RealSNR]

I maybe exaggerating a little but I'm impressed with him. I suppose you think he is worthless huh?


He’s a rotational player. It’s impressive that he plays at as light of a weight as he does and still does well in those specific situations. He’s getting snaps and making the most of them.

He’s a good player, but don’t confuse him for guys like Jones and Clark who put in far more snaps and are asked to serve more responsibilities from play to play than someone like Wharton.

[Rain Man]

No! I don't want Rain Man dead. Yet.

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[Rain Man]

MetE, also 93.


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We should start a club or something. I can think of a couple more I've heard about over the years.

[tatorhog]

I think if we had drafted the guy in the 4th or later, we would be thrilled with his production (especially with no training camp). The fact we got him as a UDFA is pure gravy.

[DaneMcCloud]

I maybe exaggerating a little but I'm impressed with him. I suppose you think he is worthless huh?

Worthless? Hardly.

But playing better than Jones, who has 4 sacks in 7 games or Frank Clark, who has 3 sacks in 8 games?

Absolutely not.

Jones and Clark are massively disruptive as well.

[KChiefs1]

Worthless? Hardly.

But playing better than Jones, who has 4 sacks in 7 games or Frank Clark, who has 3 sacks in 8 games?

Absolutely not.

Jones and Clark are massively disruptive as well.

I maybe a little biased...:thumb:

[Groves]

We should start a club or something. I can think of a couple more I've heard about over the years.


There’s already one started. The Tershawn Wharton fan club!


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[Rain Man]

It's now called the Missouri University of Science and Tershawn.

[GloryDayz]

Quality thread. The man has been very impressive.

[KChiefs1]

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[Megatron96]

He's no Dee Ford.

[kcclone]

Wharton only gonna get better. Danna and Wharton may be our cap heros in a couple years.

[Pitt Gorilla]

It's now called the Missouri University of Science and Tershawn.

My nephew graduated from MUST. We all fam, fam.

[kccrow]

He's looked really good for a rookie, much less an UDFA. Kid could be a valuable piece of the puzzle the next few years. Having a rotation piece with Jones is valuable as hell, not to mention their ability to team up on obvious passing downs and wreak havoc. Going to be fun to watch.

[Dunerdr]

Can we Gif this guy up?

[Cosmos]

More warts here...

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2020/11/5/21550670/tershawn-wharton-always-planned-on-becoming-an-nfl-player

[kcclone]

This guy had to have looked like Aaron Donald against Great Lakes Conference teams

[Pitt Gorilla]

Man, all you MUST alums had best be ordering Wharton jerseys as we speak. Dude is a badass with an incredible motor who isn't going to be outworked by anyone. His spot is about as secure on this team as anyone's, sans Sir Patrick.

[Hoover]

Players like Danna and Wharton tell you everything you need to know about our front office.

Striking gold on a late rounder at any position is like a team winning the lottery. Its even better when you hit on a position of need.

[htismaqe]

Man, all you MUST alums had best be ordering Wharton jerseys as we speak. Dude is a badass with an incredible motor who isn't going to be outworked by anyone. His spot is about as secure on this team as anyone's, sans Sir Patrick.

Rolla!

[KChiefs1]

He needs to really play a great game on Sunday.

[ChiefsFanatic]

I know it’s PFF, but holy shit!



It’s really not all that surprising though when you think about it. Like I said, that’s a position where guys usually don’t play this well in year 1.If he was just a combine warrior, I think it would be more surprising. But, wasn't he wrecking teams in his league? I thought (can't look it up right now) that I remembered reading how he was dominating opposing teams, and that it was surprising that he wasn't a late round pick.

But, I may be full of it, and not remembering correctly.

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[Rain Man]

If he was just a combine warrior, I think it would be more surprising. But, wasn't he wrecking teams in his league? I thought (can't look it up right now) that I remembered reading how he was dominating opposing teams, and that it was surprising that he wasn't a late round pick.

But, I may be full of it, and not remembering correctly.

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Dominating teams at a lower level is a good thing, but he was dominating teams at a very low level. Rolla is a step below semi-pro ball. I think it would be really hard to evaluate a player in that situation. It would be like evaluating you or me playing basketball against third graders.

[ChiefsFanatic]

Dominating teams at a lower level is a good thing, but he was dominating teams at a very low level. Rolla is a step below semi-pro ball. I think it would be really hard to evaluate a player in that situation. It would be like evaluating you or me playing basketball against third graders.I know the competition was not the best, but I think dominating when you should be dominating is important.

He actually displayed skills on the field, as opposed to combine warriors who run a good 40, throw up a big number in the bench press, etc. but they never dominated the competition.

That is the point I was trying to make. Combine numbers are impressive (remember Conley) however, lesser numbers but with a track record of dominating in games, should hold more weight in my opinion.

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[Tribal Warfare]

The guy was wrecking shit for Bridgewater today

[Tribal Warfare]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Most QB pressures by rookies: <br>1. Chase Young - 17<br>2. Derrick Brown - 13<br>3. Javon Kinlaw - 12<br>4. Tershawn Wharton - 11 <a href="https://t.co/cFqGBzVeIh">pic.twitter.com/cFqGBzVeIh</a></p>&mdash; PFF (@PFF) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1326159181846618112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[htismaqe]

:bravo:

What a fucking find.

[BWillie]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Most QB pressures by rookies: <br>1. Chase Young - 17<br>2. Derrick Brown - 13<br>3. Javon Kinlaw - 12<br>4. Tershawn Wharton - 11 <a href="https://t.co/cFqGBzVeIh">pic.twitter.com/cFqGBzVeIh</a></p>&mdash; PFF (@PFF) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1326159181846618112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

In how many snaps though? Amazing this Wharton guy is so far.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Love. Him.

[staylor26]

In how many snaps though? Amazing this Wharton guy is so far.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Considering Wharton has been on the field for 41.3% of the snaps, compared to 62.3% (Young), 66.7% (Brown), and 61.8% (Kinlaw), that&#39;s not bad at all. <a href="https://t.co/0jS5ZQzGAu">https://t.co/0jS5ZQzGAu</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1326169940936720385?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Jones and Wharton are going to fuck shit up for the next few years. It’s going to be frightening for opposing teams. I can’t think of a team in history with 2 interior pass rushers like them.

[RunKC]

Who found Wharton? We know Daley was one who loved Danna but who pounded the table for this guy?

Whoever it was...give that man a raise

[Pablo]

Yeah, he's fucking nasty. MINER UP!!! or whatever MO S&T says.

MINER DOWN!!! makes more sense though. But either way he's good at football so far.

[GloryDayz]

Yeah, he's fucking nasty. MINER UP!!! or whatever MO S&T says.

MINER DOWN!!! makes more sense though. But either way he's good at football so far.

When my son was starting at S&T, while they had the incoming freshmen out taking their "welcome to S&T" test, we were talking to the football coach and he said that while they didn't really win too many championships at S&T, he had the only football team that had both lines that could differentiate equations. Ah yes, DiffiQ, good times...

Anyway, I'm not sure what their saying is, but I'm sure it would have some math in it...

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[Pitt Gorilla]

When my son was starting at S&T, while they had the incoming freshmen out taking their "welcome to S&T" test, we were talking to the football coach and he said that while they didn't really win too many championships at S&T, he had the only football team that had both lines that could differentiate equations. Ah yes, DiffiQ, good times...

Anyway, I'm not sure what their saying is, but I'm sure it would have some math in it...

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[GloryDayz]

"Our difference allows us to maximize our potential"?

They were indeed "different", but in a really good way. Clearly it was a super-nerd school (SUPER!!!), but I was surprised at how much the students got out and about. Many were wearing VR goggles, but at least they were out and about. :D

[Wilson8]

Tershawn Wharton played DE at Missouri S&T.

Chiefs like flexibility with their players.

It might be interesting to see him shift outside sometimes.

Might be necessary shift if Okafor not ready to come back or stay healthy.

[Tribal Warfare]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> DT Tershawn Wharton named to PFF Midseason All-Rookie Team <a href="https://t.co/XaRBfTwsaU">https://t.co/XaRBfTwsaU</a></p>&mdash; Chiefs Wire (@TheChiefsWire) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheChiefsWire/status/1326992325101441024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Tribal Warfare]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> DI pass-rushing duo of Chris Jones and Tershawn Wharton put in work yesterday!<br><br>Jones<br>• 80.2 Overall<br>• 81.2 Pass Rush<br>• 4 Pressures, 1 Sack<br><br>Wharton<br>• 79.8 Overall<br>• 75.5 Pass Rush<br>• 4 Pressures, 2 Sacks<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a></p>&mdash; PFF KC Chiefs (@PFF_Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Chiefs/status/1338563694482092035?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[warrior]

Another great find by Veach

[Dunerdr]

I didnt notice him for most of the game and i think thats good. When i did he was pushing the pocket a little.

[Chris Meck]

I didnt notice him for most of the game and i think thats good. When i did he was pushing the pocket a little.

ummmm....he had two sacks?

*one, my bad.

[BigCatDaddy]

Whartan and Danna both looked pretty good.

[OKchiefs]

I wonder if going forward it will help Wharton to pack on 10 pounds of muscle in the off-season to become more of an all around DT or if he’ll likely always be an undersized pass rushing type?

[ChiTown]

Whartan and Danna both looked pretty good.

Yep - two best Defensive surprises this year, IYAM

[RealSNR]

I wonder if going forward it will help Wharton to pack on 10 pounds of muscle in the off-season to become more of an all around DT or if he’ll likely always be an undersized pass rushing type?

Yeah, but I'd be careful. If his strength and asset to the defense is to come in on pass rush downs as an extra interior penetrator, then let's get him honing that part of his game so that he becomes a monster in the rotation.

If he adds muscle and bulk to become a more flexible DT, it would be a shame if we lost some of that lethal pressure he generates when he gets on the field.

This is, of course, me being an uneducated fan. I could very well be totally wrong about his career path in the NFL.

[Dunerdr]

ummmm....he had two sacks?

*one, my bad.

i guess i was trying to say i didnt notice him getting gashed in the run. he seems quietly capable there.

[prhom]

Yep - two best Defensive surprises this year, IYAM

Sneed was doing really well earlier and hasn’t been too bad since coming off IR either. If we end up getting four solid guys (Wharton, Danna, Sneed and Gay) on the defensive side of the ball from this draft and post-draft UDFA, that’s pretty incredible work by Veach.

[bobhill]

Would like to see more Sanders thou

[htismaqe]

Would like to see more Sanders thou

Why? Guy hasn't done much of anything.

[OKchiefs]

Why? Guy hasn't done much of anything.

He was looking pretty good a year ago, wasn’t he?

And if our 3rd round DT from a year ago has already fallen out of favor that’s not really a good look, so i hope that’s not the case. In a vacuum it’s not that big a deal, but when you factor in the Speaks pick from the year before and Kpass the year before that it’s not ideal if you have almost nothing to show from two 2nds and a 3rd spent on the DL.

[prhom]

He was looking pretty good a year ago, wasn’t he?

And if our 3rd round DT from a year ago has already fallen out of favor that’s not really a good look, so i hope that’s not the case. In a vacuum it’s not that big a deal, but when you factor in the Speaks pick from the year before and Kpass the year before that it’s not ideal if you have almost nothing to show from two 2nds and a 3rd spent on the DL.

Does him being a healthy scratch mean he’s a bust though? Seems like we have a decent line rotation and if we have Wharton, Nnadi, and Jones all taking turns on the interior that’s not bad. I would guess is something happened to Nnadi then Saunders would start playing again, right?

[Mecca]

Mike Danna looks to me like a very prototypical strong side end. He plays the run well, he uses his hands and feet to engage and disengage really well.

The only things he lacks are elite explosion or fluidity. He basically can be a better Kpass for us.

[OKchiefs]

Does him being a healthy scratch mean he’s a bust though? Seems like we have a decent line rotation and if we have Wharton, Nnadi, and Jones all taking turns on the interior that’s not bad. I would guess is something happened to Nnadi then Saunders would start playing again, right?

I’m not saying he is in fact a bust, just responding to the implication that he hasn’t shown anything. I assume he’ll step in next year once Pennel moves on.

[Mecca]

I’m not saying he is in fact a bust, just responding to the implication that he hasn’t shown anything. I assume he’ll step in next year once Pennel moves on.

Pretty sure since he dislocated his elbow they're being cautious with him because they can be.

[ModSocks]

Has he been losing snaps? I feel like we've been seeing less of him. Until he had that sack against MIA i had completely forgotten about him.

[Rain Man]

Mike Danna looks to me like a very prototypical strong side end. He plays the run well, he uses his hands and feet to engage and disengage really well.

The only things he lacks are elite explosion or fluidity. He basically can be a better Kpass for us.

We're a 12-1 team so I'm not disappointed in anything other than the one loss. But I will say that I'm surprised that Kpass hasn't become more of a force. He made great strides forward last year, and I never really see him make an impact play this year. He ties up a blocker and that's about it. Given the good play of the other d-linemen, I'm a little surprised that he's still getting the starting role and playing time.

[Mecca]

We're a 12-1 team so I'm not disappointed in anything other than the one loss. But I will say that I'm surprised that Kpass hasn't become more of a force. He made great strides forward last year, and I never really see him make an impact play this year. He ties up a blocker and that's about it. Given the good play of the other d-linemen, I'm a little surprised that he's still getting the starting role and playing time.

Kpass just isn't enough of an athlete to win on the edge consistently, he's not explosive or quick, he's gone after this year.

[ModSocks]

We're a 12-1 team so I'm not disappointed in anything other than the one loss. But I will say that I'm surprised that Kpass hasn't become more of a force. He made great strides forward last year, and I never really see him make an impact play this year. He ties up a blocker and that's about it. Given the good play of the other d-linemen, I'm a little surprised that he's still getting the starting role and playing time.

Yeah it appears that Kpass has hit his ceiling.

[Pitt Gorilla]

He was looking pretty good a year ago, wasn’t he?

And if our 3rd round DT from a year ago has already fallen out of favor that’s not really a good look, so i hope that’s not the case. In a vacuum it’s not that big a deal, but when you factor in the Speaks pick from the year before and Kpass the year before that it’s not ideal if you have almost nothing to show from two 2nds and a 3rd spent on the DL.
Dude had a significant injury. What's the rush in labelling him?

[OKchiefs]

Dude had a significant injury. What's the rush in labelling him?

i’m not labeling him. Again, i was responding to the implication that he hasn’t shown anything.

[staylor26]

He was looking pretty good a year ago, wasn’t he?

And if our 3rd round DT from a year ago has already fallen out of favor that’s not really a good look, so i hope that’s not the case. In a vacuum it’s not that big a deal, but when you factor in the Speaks pick from the year before and Kpass the year before that it’s not ideal if you have almost nothing to show from two 2nds and a 3rd spent on the DL.

What fucking difference does it make when you’re hitting on guys like Nnadi, Wharton, and Danna at the same time?

You are such a negative miserable fuck that you will focus on anything bad while ignoring all the good.

[Chiefs=Champions]

Sneed was doing really well earlier and hasn’t been too bad since coming off IR either. If we end up getting four solid guys (Wharton, Danna, Sneed and Gay) on the defensive side of the ball from this draft and post-draft UDFA, that’s pretty incredible work by Veach.

Could be huge for us going forward. I meant to thumbs up this, but accidentally thumbed it down - my bad!

[alanm]

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[prhom]

Could be huge for us going forward. I meant to thumbs up this, but accidentally thumbed it down - my bad!

No worries, I don’t know how to see that anyway! It sure could be really good. I feel like hitting on guys that are solid contributors, even if they never become stars, is how your build a dynasty when you do have the stars like Mahomes, Jones, etc taking up big chunks of the cap.

[prhom]

I’m not saying he is in fact a bust, just responding to the implication that he hasn’t shown anything. I assume he’ll step in next year once Pennel moves on.

Fair enough. That seems about right. He’s developmental depth.

[Halfcan]

If our defense puts it all together for the Playoffs- look out!

[BossChief]

The way we play against NO will be telling. That’s a damn good team that we should beat, but can just as easily lose to if we aren’t in the top of our game.

I’d love to see them go out and play a dominant game front to back and beat NO. That will be a high quality win.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Man this kid has some freaky lateral quickness: https://twitter.com/realmnchiefsfan/status/1339337468101857280?s=21

Idc where he went to school, if you saw this on tape, he should’ve been drafted.

This rookie class is how you sustain a dynasty.

[htismaqe]

Man this kid has some freaky lateral quickness: https://twitter.com/realmnchiefsfan/status/1339337468101857280?s=21

Idc where he went to school, if you saw this on tape, he should’ve been drafted.

This rookie class is how you sustain a dynasty.

He went to Mizzou S&T, aka Rolla.

[htismaqe]

What fucking difference does it make when you’re hitting on guys like Nnadi, Wharton, and Danna at the same time?

You are such a negative miserable fuck that you will focus on anything bad while ignoring all the good.

Exactly. If you miss on a 2nd rounder but hit big on a UDFA, you just broke even.

It all balances out in the end.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

He went to Mizzou S&T, aka Rolla.

Oh yeah I know, I’m just saying, even then his elite quickness should have showed on tape.

Another one here from Sunday: https://twitter.com/realmnchiefsfan/status/1339341100377538560?s=21

Having he and Jones rush inside for the next 3 years at least. :rockon:

[htismaqe]

Oh yeah I know, I’m just saying, even then his elite quickness should have showed on tape.

Another one here from Sunday: https://twitter.com/realmnchiefsfan/status/1339341100377538560?s=21

Having he and Jones rush inside for the next 3 years at least. :rockon:

Well, the Chiefs saw his tape. Im guessing not a lot of teams actually did, which is why he went undrafted.

[staylor26]

Fucking stud. People STILL don’t realize what a steal this guy was.

[Kiimo]

I'm thinking this is one of the few silver linings of the Covid draft. If this guy went to visit teams in person I can't imagine he wouldn't be drafted.

I mean just the ten seconds of *looks at college listed weight* *looks at player* *looks back at college weight* *looks at player*

[Tribal Warfare]

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[Halfcan]

This kid has the Eye of the Tiger.

[RunKC]

Get him and Danna in a real NFL offseason program to build some muscle and add some weight and they’ll be monsters next season.

[kcclone]

Get him and Danna in a real NFL offseason program to build some muscle and add some weight and they’ll be monsters next season.


I’m not saying that can’t happen but NFL S&C programs are mostly based on injury prevention & rehab, mobility and maintenance.

They’re expected to be near peak strength and weight when they get here.

It’s a lot more fragmented with guys often using their own personal trainers in the off season.

[duncan_idaho]

I’m not saying that can’t happen but NFL S&C programs are mostly based on injury prevention & rehab, mobility and maintenance.

They’re expected to be near peak strength and weight when they get here.

It’s a lot more fragmented with guys often using their own personal trainers in the off season.


I suspect both would have some “maxing out” left. Missouri S&T and Central Michigan don’t exactly have big-time training resources like the Power 5 conference teams.

Danna spent one year at Michigan so he’s probably closer, but I’d bet they can sculpt Wharton a bit more.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

I’d take him on my team.

And he’s on my team. So that’s good.

[KChiefs1]

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[thabear04]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tershawn Wharton ranked 2nd in pressures among rookie DTs and 4th most regardless of position �� <a href="https://t.co/h5ftPH86Eb">pic.twitter.com/h5ftPH86Eb</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/1364288962144178179?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Chiefshrink]

Glad there is a lot of ceiling left. How good can this kid be ???

[BossChief]

He was looking pretty good a year ago, wasn’t he?

And if our 3rd round DT from a year ago has already fallen out of favor that’s not really a good look, so i hope that’s not the case. In a vacuum it’s not that big a deal, but when you factor in the Speaks pick from the year before and Kpass the year before that it’s not ideal if you have almost nothing to show from two 2nds and a 3rd spent on the DL.

Ok knowmo

[Pitt Gorilla]

LOVE him.

[htismaqe]

LOVE him.

Yep. What a find. Him and Sneed just made this year's rookie class.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Yep. What a find. Him and Sneed just made this year's rookie class.

Yup. CEH and Gay are just scratching the surface as well. If Bert can find a TE2, an edge, and an OL or two, I just might be in love.

[htismaqe]

Yup. CEH and Gay are just scratching the surface as well. If Bert can find a TE2, an edge, and an OL or two, I just might be in love.

Exactly.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Exactly.

Seriously, though, the guys in the scouting department appear to be killing it. Hope we can hold onto these guys.

[htismaqe]

Seriously, though, the guys in the scouting department appear to be killing it. Hope we can hold onto these guys.

And hope it continues. If they keep going like this, the team will always be stacked.

[InChiefsHeaven]

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Damn, he is a big dude...

[CoMoChief]

If you're able to get 3 guys from the draft/UDFA to be 1st year impact/solid contributors, then you did a fine job.

[htismaqe]

If you're able to get 3 guys from the draft/UDFA to be 1st year impact/solid contributors, then you did a fine job.

CEH, Danna, Sneed, and Wharton all contributed.

And Gay definitely flashed the ability to be a contributor next year.

If Niang comes in and contributes, this past offseason was an A+.

And then you look at the season before - Hardman has contributed (although he needs to develop more). Then you have Thornhill, Fenton, and Alegretti all contributing from that draft.

Veach is doing a great job IMO.

[smithandrew051]

CEH, Danna, Sneed, and Wharton all contributed.

And Gay definitely flashed the ability to be a contributor next year.

If Niang comes in and contributes, this past offseason was an A+.

And then you look at the season before - Hardman has contributed (although he needs to develop more). Then you have Thornhill, Fenton, and Alegretti all contributing from that draft.

Veach is doing a great job IMO.

The Hitchens signing also looked much better this year. The only obvious black eye on Brad’s resume is Speaks, but that’s also his first pick as a GM.

[htismaqe]

The Hitchens signing also looked much better this year. The only obvious black eye on Brad’s resume is Speaks, but that’s also his first pick as a GM.

That was an odd year, too. The scouting department wasn't settled after they let Dorsey go so late in the previous year.

[Easy 6]

CEH, Danna, Sneed, and Wharton all contributed.

And Gay definitely flashed the ability to be a contributor next year.

If Niang comes in and contributes, this past offseason was an A+.

And then you look at the season before - Hardman has contributed (although he needs to develop more). Then you have Thornhill, Fenton, and Alegretti all contributing from that draft.

Veach is doing a great job IMO.

Its not just your opinion, its a fact... his eye for talent is elite

[Pitt Gorilla]

I love Hardman, but I wonder if they considered AJ Brown? Dude would be a beast in this offense.

[staylor26]

I love Hardman, but I wonder if they considered AJ Brown? Dude would be a beast in this offense.

AJ Brown went early in the 2nd. He wasn’t even an option.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

AJ Brown went early in the 2nd. He wasn’t even an option.

We could’ve had DK tho 😥

[RunKC]

I love Hardman, but I wonder if they considered AJ Brown? Dude would be a beast in this offense.

Tyreek was under investigation and the bad tape of him came out the night of the draft.

Pretty sure they were thinking they had to get someone that could play a similar role bc they were scared Tyreek was done.

[RealSNR]

We could’ve had DK tho 😥

Go fuck yourself with a cactus

[Tribal Warfare]

Go fuck yourself with a cactus

It's penbrook

[Rain Man]

I'm curious about Tershawn's career path and aspirations. If went to Rolla for school, I would think that he wasn't necessarily planning for an NFL career. Did he always think that he was on a path to the NFL, or was he just at Rolla to pursue a regular career and play football for a few more years? Once he was dominating in college, when did he start to wonder if the NFL was a possibility? There are lots of guys who dominate at that level and never even get a training camp invitation.

[Hoover]

who the fuck is Brad?

[htismaqe]

who the fuck is Brad?

You mean Bart?

[Hammock Parties]

he reminds me of the 73 OVR DT you have on your Madden roster, who is never good enough to start, but you keep him around for that 83 power rushing rating so he can get three sacks in the sub package every year

you don't re-sign him because he asks for too much money and in two offseasons you have another Tershawn Wharton in that spot

[smithandrew051]

You mean Bart?

Pretty sure it’s Burt

[Skyy God]

Jarran Reed on Wharton:

“We’re meshing together well, and everybody welcomed me to bring me along fast,” Reed said. “I’m excited to see what we can do this season. Tershawn Wharton is one that I think is not talked about enough. He’s a great, up-and-coming second year player. He’s going to be really good.”

[InvinciBill]

The Hitchens signing also looked much better this year. The only obvious black eye on Brad’s resume is Speaks, but that’s also his first pick as a GM.

Yeah, Brutt really screwed the pooch on that one. Dammit Vearnch!

[Dunerdr]

I am excited to see what he does with a year of NFL strength training under his belt.

[ModSocks]

Dude looks like he's smuggling babies in his shoulders and biceps. I dont recall how physically imposing he looked last season, but this season the dude is built like the goddamn hulk.

[Tribal Warfare]

Dude looks like he's smuggling babies in his shoulders and biceps. I dont recall how physically imposing he looked last season, but this season the dude is built like the goddamn hulk.

Alan Bailey reference

[staylor26]

Dude looks like he's smuggling babies in his shoulders and biceps. I dont recall how physically imposing he looked last season, but this season the dude is built like the goddamn hulk.

Yea there’s a noticeable difference.

He’s going to be really fucking good.

I love how our pass rush supposedly sucks, but we have 3 legitimate interior pass rushers that can wreck havoc. They’re going to make whoever is playing DE’s job much easier.

[Dunerdr]

PICS?

[ModSocks]

PICS?

90 is Reed. 98 is Wharton.

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[Skyy God]

Looks more like a 5-tech end than a DT.

Reed looks EXACTLY like a DT.

[AdolfOliverBush]

Looks more like a 5-tech end fucking monster that would eat your children than a DT.

Reed looks EXACTLY like a DT.

FYP

[Rain Man]

Alan Bailey reference

I'm still in awe of that guy's build. I think he may be the most physically imposing guy the Chiefs have ever had.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAIPadMWkAYdW6h.jpg

[smithandrew051]

Yea there’s a noticeable difference.

He’s going to be really fucking good.

I love how our pass rush supposedly sucks, but we have 3 legitimate interior pass rushers that can wreck havoc. They’re going to make whoever is playing DE’s job much easier.

I do wonder if this is a bit by design. Veach couldve had Basham. He could’ve invested in DE, considering how aggressively he pursued OL. Some of that could’ve been used at DE.

It does make you think that Veach isn’t as concerned as we are. Maybe he’s anticipating a rematch with the Bucs in the Super Bowl and wants to generate substantial interior pressure, since Brady is no threat to escape. He saw what happened to Ford and Houston in AFCCG. I think they maybe generated 1 pressure combined.

[Dunerdr]

I do wonder if this is a bit by design. Veach couldve had Basham. He could’ve invested in DE, considering how aggressively he pursued OL. Some of that could’ve been used at DE.

It does make you think that Veach isn’t as concerned as we are. Maybe he’s anticipating a rematch with the Bucs in the Super Bowl and wants to generate substantial interior pressure, since Brady is no threat to escape. He saw what happened to Ford and Houston in AFCCG. I think they maybe generated 1 pressure combined.
I've wondered this too. I mean Reed fell in their lap, but they didnt have to go get him. They chose too add him to a pretty good room already.

[Chris Meck]

Yea there’s a noticeable difference.

He’s going to be really ****ing good.

I love how our pass rush supposedly sucks, but we have 3 legitimate interior pass rushers that can wreck havoc. They’re going to make whoever is playing DE’s job much easier.

A couple of years ago when asked about the future of NFL defenses, Andy said that he felt interior pass rushers were the future. Remember that? Because it's a shorter distance to the QB, and it totally disrupts timing and passing lanes.

Well, I think we're about to find out if that theory is true.

If you can destroy the pocket from inside, then all your ends have to do is hold containment.

Seems like a sound plan to me.

[htismaqe]

A couple of years ago when asked about the future of NFL defenses, Andy said that he felt interior pass rushers were the future. Remember that? Because it's a shorter distance to the QB, and it totally disrupts timing and passing lanes.

Well, I think we're about to find out if that theory is true.

If you can destroy the pocket from inside, then all your ends have to do is hold containment.

Seems like a sound plan to me.

The side benefit of this is that it allows your base set the versatility to rush the passer but defend the edge against this new wave of running QB's like Lamar and Murray. The Chiefs have done a good job against Jackson the last couple of years and they're fixing to get better at it.

[smithandrew051]

The side benefit of this is that it allows your base set the versatility to rush the passer but defend the edge against this new wave of running QB's like Lamar and Murray. The Chiefs have done a good job against Jackson the last couple of years and they're fixing to get better at it.

I also wonder if teams are over-investing at OT, which is forcing them to limit their investment in the IOL.

I heard a stat recently that like 80% of starting OTs in the Super Bowl were first or second round picks. Can’t remember the specifics, but it was substantial.

If teams are leaving the interior vulnerable, throwing more, and getting rid of the ball quickly, then it makes sense to invest at DT.

[staylor26]

Chiefs’ second-year defensive tackle Tershawn Wharton, who has also put together a very strong training camp, was outright dominant against the 49ers. According to Pro Football Focus, Wharton recorded four total pressures, including a sack, two hurries and a hit. He also recorded two stops and a forced fumble on the night.

.

[smithandrew051]

.

Dude is like our 4th or 5th best D Lineman too

[RealSNR]

We’re so screwed when we lose all the players acquired by Dorsey, guyz!!!!!

[Tribal Warfare]

Dude is like our 4th or 5th best D Lineman too

I'd contend possibly 2nd behind Chris Jones

[smithandrew051]

I'd contend possibly 2nd behind Chris Jones

Could well be by the end of the year.

I think you have to argue that Reed and Clark are ahead of him for now based on their resumes.

I would put Nnadi ahead of him for now too. He’s been a solid starter.

[thabear04]

Wharton is a beast plus love anybody on the team that was a wrestler.