Is It Time To Release Gay?

[dtrain]

Damien Wilson hasn't practiced all week if he doesn't play does Willie Gay get the start?

[SuperBowl4]

Not yet

[Deberg_1990]

Yes. It’s time to cut Gay. Bust

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Yes. It’s time to cut Gay. Bust

I wish the mods would cut your gay threads.

[KC_Lee]

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[Wallcrawler]

Thought this was a DeBerg thread. Turns out its just really shitty wording of the thread title. Yawn.

Pretty sure the word youre looking for is "unleash."

[DaFace]

Poor wording.

[htismaqe]

If Wilson can't play, we should see Gay get the most snaps he's gotten all season.

[carcosa]

Poor wording.

plz use mod powers to change "release" to "unleash"

[staylor26]

Great news for Gay. Bad news for all of us that are tired of watching Niemann.

[alpha_omega]

Ok...I got it. I was wondering why in the world we would be releasing him.

[Buehler445]

plz use mod powers to change "release" to "unleash"

Surely there is a better joke in there somewhere. Assault the offense with gay, Bring the gay hammer, lay wood with gay, something.

Where is Iowanian when you need him?

[htismaqe]

Great news for Gay. Bad news for all of us that are tired of watching Niemann.

Against another team, they might just run more nickel. There's probably going to be a lot of base 4-3 against the Dolphins though.

[ChiefBlueCFC]

I mean, I think ideally we would see Gay but I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a lot of Niemann

[KurtCobain]

Clickbait.

[CapsLockKey]

Surely there is a better joke in there somewhere. Assault the offense with gay, Bring the gay hammer, lay wood with gay, something.



Where is Iowanian when you need him?Is it time for Gay's coming out party?

[Deberg_1990]

Surely there is a better joke in there somewhere. Assault the offense with gay, Bring the gay hammer, lay wood with gay, something.

Where is Iowanian when you need him?

Is it time to let Gay be more dominant or remain submissive?

[Jewish Rabbi]

I’d like Billay to release some gay on me

[kjwood75nro]

Time for Gay to plug some holes and stuff the backfield.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

release him to char Tua Fish? ya know it

[AdolfOliverBush]

I don't know what Miami's game plan is, but I can guarantee you they're going to have a fullback.

[carcosa]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">And yes, Andy Reid expects to have Willie Gay Jr. start if Damien Wilson doesn&#39;t play against the Dolphins.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1337475823436242947?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[ptlyon]

This thread is soooo Gay... (insert reply here)

[Kman34]

It’s time to turn Gay.........






Loose...

[Chris Meck]

...and Gay just keeps coming in his face!

[PAChiefsGuy]

This definitely get my vote for the worst worded thread of the year.

[Peter Gibbons]

The title would have worked better if his name was Kraken and not Gay.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

Gay & Kraken both need working suckers

[Rasputin]

Fucking Deberg_1990 thread.

[Halfcan]

Gay should spy Tua and smash his face in every down.

[dlphg9]

Gay actually started last week against the Broncos. It was the 5th time this season.

[Deberg_1990]

This was a hell of a play in real time

It’s time to release the Gay

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;m curious what it is about Gay that has KC&#39;s coaching staff not utilizing a guy who can cover ground like this. <a href="https://t.co/SAY3jiuI2a">pic.twitter.com/SAY3jiuI2a</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1338568066867757056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[DaFace]

I'm guessing that he still has gaps in his knowledge of the defensive scheme. Clearly he has the athleticism to make big plays, but if you worry about him blowing coverages, you have to limit his involvement.

Hopefully he'll be close enough that we can let him loose a little more in the playoffs.

[Megatron96]

Did anyone else see Wilson on the field yesterday? I swear I saw a "54" jersey during one of the replays.

And yes, I know Wilson was supposed to be out for the game, which is part of why I'm asking.

[Megatron96]

This was a hell of a play in real time

It’s time to release the Gay

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;m curious what it is about Gay that has KC&#39;s coaching staff not utilizing a guy who can cover ground like this. <a href="https://t.co/SAY3jiuI2a">pic.twitter.com/SAY3jiuI2a</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1338568066867757056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That's a fine play by Willie. Love the recognition and how he didn't overrun the play. He intercepted whoever that was perfectly.

[OKchiefs]

Take PFF grades with a grain of salt, but PFF says he didn’t have enough snaps to qualify for a complete grade but would have graded as his best game. Take from that what you will.

[notorious]

That play was fantastic.


He completely erased it. Stopped the RB cold.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Surely there is a better joke in there somewhere. Assault the offense with gay, Bring the gay hammer, lay wood with gay, something.

Where is Iowanian when you need him?

Gay explodes into the runner in the backfield...

[-King-]

This was a hell of a play in real time

It’s time to release the Gay

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;m curious what it is about Gay that has KC&#39;s coaching staff not utilizing a guy who can cover ground like this. <a href="https://t.co/SAY3jiuI2a">pic.twitter.com/SAY3jiuI2a</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1338568066867757056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That was like peak football iq mixed with athleticism. He read that the whole way and had enough athleticism to still shut it down when the WR tried to run to the other side.

[lewdog]

That was like peak football iq mixed with athleticism. He read that the whole way and had enough athleticism to still shut it down when the WR tried to run to the other side.

NFL speed on guys this size is just flat out crazy.

[mililo4cpa]

Did anyone else see Wilson on the field yesterday? I swear I saw a "54" jersey during one of the replays.

And yes, I know Wilson was supposed to be out for the game, which is part of why I'm asking.

I swore the same thing, but then realized it was 64 - Mike Pennel.


How I could confuse Wilson with Pennel is beyond me....

[Pitt Gorilla]

This was a hell of a play in real time

It’s time to release the Gay

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;m curious what it is about Gay that has KC&#39;s coaching staff not utilizing a guy who can cover ground like this. <a href="https://t.co/SAY3jiuI2a">pic.twitter.com/SAY3jiuI2a</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1338568066867757056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I KNOW he's not actually twice as fast as everyone else on the field, but he sure looks like it.

[dlphg9]

There is no reason Gay shouldn't be playing 75%+ of the plays on D. He's the best LB we have and Gay is only sitting because he's a rookie. I haven't seen him out of position anymore than any of the other LBs and the good thing about him is he has the speed to get back into position. He should be playing more.

[Megatron96]

There is no reason Gay shouldn't be playing 75%+ of the plays on D. He's the best LB we have and Gay is only sitting because he's a rookie. I haven't seen him out of position anymore than any of the other LBs and the good thing about him is he has the speed to get back into position. He should be playing more.

Apparently Spags/House don't feel like he's ready for that. I wish they did though. Gay covers ground like a young Brian Urlacher.

[dlphg9]

Apparently Spags/House don't feel like he's ready for that. I wish they did though. Gay covers ground like a young Brian Urlacher.

I think it's just something with this team and not wanting rookies to get overwhelmed. They are overly cautious with young guys.

[ChiefsFanatic]

Apparently Spags/House don't feel like he's ready for that. I wish they did though. Gay covers ground like a young Brian Urlacher.I feel like there is no way Gay could hurt our defense more than Niemann does, AND he has the speed and athleticism to make up for being out of position, or just to make a play period.

I understand not wanting to overwhelm a young player, but this defense needs a playmaker at the second level badly. He was a 2nd round pick, and it's time for him to start producing. If Spags and House can't get a 2nd round pick ready to make an impact after 3 months, then something is very wrong.

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[Megatron96]

I feel like there is no way Gay could hurt our defense more than Niemann does, AND he has the speed and athleticism to make up for being out of position, or just to make a play period.

I understand not wanting to overwhelm a young player, but this defense needs a playmaker at the second level badly. He was a 2nd round pick, and it's time for him to start producing. If Spags and House can't get a 2nd round pick ready to make an impact after 3 months, then something is very wrong.

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I agree with just about all of this.

I think Gay couldn't screw up any worse than Neimann at this point. But Neimann calls the pre-snap alignments when Hitch isn't out there. Not sure Gay is ready for that, and if not, then who calls the alignments?

Other than that, Gay is definitely a better LB than Neimann in every respect, and once the ball is snapped, Gay is the best LB on the team.

[ChiefsFanatic]

I agree with just about all of this.



I think Gay couldn't screw up any worse than Neimann at this point. But Neimann calls the pre-snap alignments when Hitch isn't out there. Not sure Gay is ready for that, and if not, then who calls the alignments?



Other than that, Gay is definitely a better LB than Neimann in every respect, and once the ball is snapped, Gay is the best LB on the team.Surely there are other players who could do that. Maybe Tyrann or DD, since Spags uses them close to the LOS so much.

In tonight's game, a Browns player read the run correctly, ran into the hole and lunged to his left, thinking that the RB was going to be there, but even before the Browns player decided to go left, the RB had already cut the other way. It was comical, especially on the slow motion replay.

I was like, he pulled a Niemann.

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[Megatron96]

Surely there are other players who could do that. Maybe Tyrann or DD, since Spags uses them close to the LOS so much.

In tonight's game, a Browns player read the run correctly, ran into the hole and lunged to his left, thinking that the RB was going to be there, but even before the Browns player decided to go left, the RB had already cut the other way. It was comical, especially on the slow motion replay.

I was like, he pulled a Niemann.

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I saw that too. Think that was 51, who is their best LB I think. I think he actually stumbled over someone's feet/leg. i was going to watch the replay tomorrow so I'll remember to check that play out.

And I don't have a clue why HB or DD couldn't do that. I don't understand why Wilson can't.

I do know though, that Tyrann only calls the alignments for the DBs. I've never seen him go up and tell a LB where to go.

[ChiefsFanatic]

I saw that too. Think that was 51, who is their best LB I think. I think he actually stumbled over someone's feet/leg. i was going to watch the replay tomorrow so I'll remember to check that play out.



And I don't have a clue why HB or DD couldn't do that. I don't understand why Wilson can't.



I do know though, that Tyrann only calls the alignments for the DBs. I've never seen him go up and tell a LB where to go.Oh, maybe he did stumble. I wasn't watching his feet. A stumble would make sense. But, I have watched Niemann run to where he thought the running lane would be, only to get swallowed by offensive linemen, and I have seen him identify the correct running lane, but then take the wrong angle, which combined with his lack of speed, ends with him missing the runner by a step or two.

Here is a shocking statistic. Niemann has been credited with 21 solo tackles and 12 assisted tackles for a total of 33 tackles.

I don't know what the snap discrepancy is, but I think everyone can agree that Niemann has seen substantially more playing time this year, right? Well, in fewer snaps, Gay has been credited with 20 solo tackles (1 less than Niemann) and 8 assisted tackles for a total of 28 tackles.

Niemann has 1 more solo tackle, and just 5 more tackles overall, than Gay. I had no idea that Gay was so close to Niemann on tackles.

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[Megatron96]

Oh, maybe he did stumble. I wasn't watching his feet. A stumble would make sense. But, I have watched Niemann run to where he thought the running lane would be, only to get swallowed by offensive linemen, and I have seen him identify the correct running lane, but then take the wrong angle, which combined with his lack of speed, ends with him missing the runner by a step or two.

Here is a shocking statistic. Niemann has been credited with 21 solo tackles and 12 assisted tackles for a total of 33 tackles.

I don't know what the snap discrepancy is, but I think everyone can agree that Niemann has seen substantially more playing time this year, right? Well, in fewer snaps, Gay has been credited with 20 solo tackles (1 less than Niemann) and 8 assisted tackles for a total of 28 tackles.

Niemann has 1 more solo tackle, and just 5 more tackles overall, than Gay. I had no idea that Gay was so close to Niemann on tackles.

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Yeah, Niemann just isn't a starting LB in the NFL.

I guess it has to be certain situations, packages of plays for certain scenarios. I mean, with enough study nearly any LB in the NFL ought to be able to memorize basic alignments. So the only thing I can think of is specific alignment modifications that come up, especially when we've got the lead and the other team is trying to go hurry-up or whatever. We have to remember that Gay hardly played football in college; he's all raw instinct and physical ability right now. He doesn't have much in the way of experience and just sheer game reps to fall back on when it comes to decision-making yet.

[Dunerdr]

Are we ready to suck this guy off or what?

[htismaqe]

Yeah, Niemann just isn't a starting LB in the NFL.

I guess it has to be certain situations, packages of plays for certain scenarios. I mean, with enough study nearly any LB in the NFL ought to be able to memorize basic alignments. So the only thing I can think of is specific alignment modifications that come up, especially when we've got the lead and the other team is trying to go hurry-up or whatever. We have to remember that Gay hardly played football in college; he's all raw instinct and physical ability right now. He doesn't have much in the way of experience and just sheer game reps to fall back on when it comes to decision-making yet.

Spags' defense is pretty complicated and the LB's are responsible for a lot of it.

He'll be out there when he's ready.

We waited 50 years for a Super Bowl win and now that they've done it, people act like they're fucking stupid.

Which is fucking stupid.

[notorious]

This guy is going to make a play to win a game in the playoffs.

[ptlyon]

This guy is going to make a play to win a game in the playoffs.

How early in the game will that be?

[Chris Meck]

Apparently Spags/House don't feel like he's ready for that. I wish they did though. Gay covers ground like a young Brian Urlacher.

Urlacher was never that fast.


Gay is being put in positions to be successful and we need to be patient. He barely played in college and was a raw prospect. There's a lot to be excited about with him, but we need to be patient.

[notorious]

My first thought when I see him playing: Holy shit he's fast.


My second thought when I see him playing: Holy shit he's big.

[Marcellus]

Take PFF grades with a grain of salt, but PFF says he didn’t have enough snaps to qualify for a complete grade but would have graded as his best game. Take from that what you will.

Actually I believe they said he would have been the highest graded defender in the entire game for either team.

[Chris Meck]

I might use Gay as a spy on Hill this week. Kind of like Spags used to do with D'OD and Watson.

[notorious]

Actually I believe they said he would have been the highest graded defender in the entire game for either team.

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[Megatron96]

Urlacher was never that fast.


Gay is being put in positions to be successful and we need to be patient. He barely played in college and was a raw prospect. There's a lot to be excited about with him, but we need to be patient.

Urlacher was pretty fast. Ran like a 4.5s 40. And he could really cover ground in a hurry.

[StinkBox]

Just send Patrick to the Cowboys and dance like no one is watching you sassy boys.</br></br>

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[OKchiefs]

Spags' defense is pretty complicated and the LB's are responsible for a lot of it.

He'll be out there when he's ready.

We waited 50 years for a Super Bowl win and now that they've done it, people act like they're ****ing stupid.

Which is ****ing stupid.

If linebackers are in fact that important in this defense and difficult to learn, that would imply the position is very important, right? Because i’ve also been told by some on here that they don’t value linebackers all that much, which doesn’t really mesh with what you just said. I’m not saying you’re the one who said that, but i’m curious which is correct.

[OKchiefs]

Urlacher was pretty fast. Ran like a 4.5s 40. And he could really cover ground in a hurry.

I believe Urlacher was a college safety converted to linebacker? He was perfect for the Tampa 2 Chicago ran, similar to Derrick Brooks.

[Megatron96]

I believe Urlacher was a college safety converted to linebacker? He was perfect for the Tampa 2 Chicago ran, similar to Derrick Brooks.

I don't know what he played in college. But that would explain his football IQ. The guy could be 20 yards upfield and still recognize a run, and then had the athleticism to get back downfield and make a play on the RB.

[poolboy]

My first thought when I see him playing: Holy shit he's fast.


My second thought when I see him playing: Holy shit he's big.


third thought holy shit can that guy hit

[notorious]

third thought holy shit can that guy hit

Yeah, he stoned a few plays.

We're used to opposing players running through our LB's and getting an extra yard or two. Not with Gay.

[htismaqe]

If linebackers are in fact that important in this defense and difficult to learn, that would imply the position is very important, right? Because i’ve also been told by some on here that they don’t value linebackers all that much, which doesn’t really mesh with what you just said. I’m not saying you’re the one who said that, but i’m curious which is correct.

They obviously value LB's to a certain extent, considering what they paid to get Hitchens out of free agency. Plus they spent a 2nd rounder on Gay.

I think the argument might be about using a first rounder on a LB, which is really a different discussion.

[Chief Roundup]

They obviously value LB's to a certain extent, considering what they paid to get Hitchens out of free agency. Plus they spent a 2nd rounder on Gay.

I think the argument might be about using a first rounder on a LB, which is really a different discussion.

Our starting LBs for 2021 are on the roster right now. We will need some depth as we will probably lose Wilson since he is an UFA but Niemann is a RFA. We might draft someone for depth or sign some cheap FA.

[Pitt Gorilla]

I feel like there is no way Gay could hurt our defense more than Niemann does, AND he has the speed and athleticism to make up for being out of position, or just to make a play period.

I understand not wanting to overwhelm a young player, but this defense needs a playmaker at the second level badly. He was a 2nd round pick, and it's time for him to start producing. If Spags and House can't get a 2nd round pick ready to make an impact after 3 months, then something is very wrong.

Sent from my GM1915 using TapatalkWhere are people getting this nonsense? Yeah, I'd love for him to play more, but the Chiefs do as well.

They really don't GAF about Chief Fan's made-up timeline, nor should they.

[DaFace]

Where are people getting this nonsense? Yeah, I'd love for him to play more, but the Chiefs do as well.

They really don't GAF about Chief Fan's made-up timeline, nor should they.

People seem to ignore that he also had no offseason to prepare. It's a super weird year.

I also think that people have trouble understanding defensive schemes and how they impact players. He does look great when he's out there, but I bet if we actually had the data to look at, there are probably some alignments where he's just not out there at all because he doesn't quite have the role down there in those situations.

[htismaqe]

People seem to ignore that he also had no offseason to prepare. It's a super weird year.

I also think that people have trouble understanding defensive schemes and how they impact players. He does look great when he's out there, but I bet if we actually had the data to look at, there are probably some alignments where he's just not out there at all because he doesn't quite have the role down there in those situations.

He also didn't have a ton of playing time in college. His junior year we was suspended for 8 of 13 games and then he passed on his senior year to enter the draft.

[Deberg_1990]

Spray Gay all over the field.

[T-post Tom]

Chiefs DB Tyrann Mathieu praises character of rookie LB Willie Gay Jr.

When the Kansas City Chiefs suited up to face the Miami Dolphins in Week 14, fans believed they were set to get an extended look at rookie linebacker Willie Gay Jr. on defense. In limited opportunities on the season, he’s flashed superior athleticism and playmaking ability — the type that you don’t keep on the sidelines.

The second-round draft pick by the Chiefs appeared to be next in line to fill in for injured linebacker Damien Wilson. Andy Reid even suggested as much during his final press conference of the week. When the dust settled Gay got the start but played just 17 defensive snaps, giving way to veteran Ben Niemann, who played 90% of the defensive snaps.

Following the game, Chiefs DB Tyrann Mathieu was asked of Gay’s development and whether he thought that he rose to the occasion in Week 14. His response should encourage Chiefs fans anxiously awaiting a larger role for the rookie.

“He’s a mature young man,” Mathieu said of Gay. “I’m so impressed with him and really his character. Not everything has gone his way this season, pretty sure he wanted to be a day one starter, but he just kept his head down. He’s always prepared at meetings, coach is calling on him, he always knows what to do, he always knows the answer. And I think that’s all you can ask from a young player is a guy that’s just committed to the team and I think Willie (Gay) shows that each and every week.”

It doesn’t appear to be for a lack of effort, mastery and smarts that Gay Jr. isn’t getting on the field more often. It’s just a matter of a rookie waiting for his time to come and it hasn’t yet. When it does, he’ll have to seize the day.

As for the outlook for the future, Mathieu is optimistic that Chiefs fans will see the results of Gay’s labors soon.

“It’s going to take, for guys like me and Chris (Jones) and Frank (Clark) and (Anthony) Hitchens to step up and continue to encourage him,” Mathieu continued. “Because I truly believe at some point in the season he’s going to make some big plays for us, and he’s going to be one of those guys we lean on, especially going forward.”

https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2020/12/15/kansas-city-chiefs-tyrann-mathieu-praise-for-willie-gay/

[ptlyon]

Spray Gay all over the field.

After reading below I just did

[ChiefsFanatic]

Where are people getting this nonsense? Yeah, I'd love for him to play more, but the Chiefs do as well.



They really don't GAF about Chief Fan's made-up timeline, nor should they.My point is that a second round pick is usually expected to make an impact at some point during the season, especially when they are at a position of need. But, I stand by saying that if coaches can't get a 2nd round pick ready in 3 months, regardless of position, then something is probably wrong.

But, I can't remember if I posted this after that or not, but according to the stats, Gay has already produces nearly as much as Niemann, so he has already made an impact, with a lot fewer snaps. He has one less solo tackle than Niemann (from memory) and just five fewer total tackles.

So, I kind of made that post you quoted meaningless by looking at the official stats.

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[Pitt Gorilla]

My point is that a second round pick is usually expected to make an impact at some point during the season, especially when they are at a position of need. But, I stand by saying that if coaches can't get a 2nd round pick ready in 3 months, regardless of position, then something is probably wrong.

But, I can't remember if I posted this after that or not, but according to the stats, Gay has already produces nearly as much as Niemann, so he has already made an impact, with a lot fewer snaps. He has one less solo tackle than Niemann (from memory) and just five fewer total tackles.

So, I kind of made that post you quoted meaningless by looking at the official stats.

Sent from my GM1915 using TapatalkPatrick Mahomes, most likely one of THE best ever, was drafted #10 overall in the first round of the draft. Guy didn't play until the last week of the season and that was because we had little to lose/gain. Gay is doing significantly more than that.

Now, do I think we win our playoff game that year with Mahomes? Yes, I do. Do I think Gay will be playing more by week 16? Yes, I do.

[htismaqe]

Man, I really wish we didn't have complete dumbasses for coaches.

We could have won a Super Bowl by now if they could just get their 2nd round picks to pay more.

[Dunerdr]

Man, I really wish we didn't have complete dumbasses for coaches.

We could have won a Super Bowl by now if they could just get their 2nd round picks to pay more.

Sounds like we will rid ourselves of that fool Bienemy who kept Mahomes on the bench and i severly limiting Le'Veon Bell and keeping Harman down.

[staylor26]

My point is that a second round pick is usually expected to make an impact at some point during the season, especially when they are at a position of need. But, I stand by saying that if coaches can't get a 2nd round pick ready in 3 months, regardless of position, then something is probably wrong.

But, I can't remember if I posted this after that or not, but according to the stats, Gay has already produces nearly as much as Niemann, so he has already made an impact, with a lot fewer snaps. He has one less solo tackle than Niemann (from memory) and just five fewer total tackles.

So, I kind of made that post you quoted meaningless by looking at the official stats.

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:facepalm:

This is so fucking stupid it’s unbelievable.

[ChiefsFanatic]

:facepalm:



This is so fucking stupid it’s unbelievable.

Oh no. How will I go on living now?

If you think a second round linebacker, which was a position of need, should just get a redshirt year, ok. Good for you. But, unless you are a QB, second day players are usually expected to make some kind of impact on the team.

And when a player the caliber of Ben Niemann, an UDFA with considerably less physical talent than your 2nd round pick, who most consider the worst player currently getting significant snaps on defense, is taking snaps away from that 2nd round pick, 3 months into the season, and you don't see a problem with that, I can't take anything you say seriously. With fewer snaps, Gay has nearly identical tackling stats, and has flashed on several plays lately that show off his physical skills. To me, and to a lot of other fans, and posters on this site, it appears that the defense is better with Gay on the field, and at the same time the defense couldn't be any worse with Gay on the field.

So, pound away on your keyboard, Warrior, pound away. You are doing the lords work.

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[AdolfOliverBush]

Oh no. How will I go on living now?

If you think a second round linebacker, which was a position of need, should just get a redshirt year, ok. Good for you. But, unless you are a QB, second day players are usually expected to make some kind of impact on the team.

And when a player the caliber of Ben Niemann, an UDFA with considerably less physical talent than your 2nd round pick, who most consider the worst player currently getting significant snaps on defense, is taking snaps away from that 2nd round pick, 3 months into the season, and you don't see a problem with that, I can't take anything you say seriously. With fewer snaps, Gay has nearly identical tackling stats, and has flashed on several plays lately that show off his physical skills. To me, and to a lot of other fans, and posters on this site, it appears that the defense is better with Gay on the field, and at the same time the defense couldn't be any worse with Gay on the field.

So, pound away on your keyboard, Warrior, pound away. You are doing the lords work.

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If something is wrong, which is doubtful, it's probably that Gay isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer (he may be a genius for all I know). The coaches deserve the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure Gay would be playing more if KC was 1-12.

[kysirsoze]

Oh no. How will I go on living now?

If you think a second round linebacker, which was a position of need, should just get a redshirt year, ok. Good for you. But, unless you are a QB, second day players are usually expected to make some kind of impact on the team.

And when a player the caliber of Ben Niemann, an UDFA with considerably less physical talent than your 2nd round pick, who most consider the worst player currently getting significant snaps on defense, is taking snaps away from that 2nd round pick, 3 months into the season, and you don't see a problem with that, I can't take anything you say seriously. With fewer snaps, Gay has nearly identical tackling stats, and has flashed on several plays lately that show off his physical skills. To me, and to a lot of other fans, and posters on this site, it appears that the defense is better with Gay on the field, and at the same time the defense couldn't be any worse with Gay on the field.

So, pound away on your keyboard, Warrior, pound away. You are doing the lords work.

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He's been steadily improving and taking a larger role. He didn't have a proper off-season or preseason. In person meetings are even restricted . He is vouched for by the coaches and players who say his role is going to continue to grow. What the hell is there to complain about?

[htismaqe]

Ben Niemann is still playing! :deevee:

[notorious]

Ben Niemann is still playing! :deevee:

I wouldn't call it "playing".

More like "Ben Niemann is on the field"

[Deberg_1990]

It’s time to release the Gay!


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> linebackers in the last two games in Weeks 14-15<br><br>Willie Gay Jr.<br>• 88.2 Overall<br>• 90.4 Coverage<br>• 29 Snaps<br><br>Ben Niemann<br>• 56.5 Overall<br>• 49.1 Coverage<br>• 122 Snaps<br><br>Anthony Hitchens<br>• 29.5 Overall<br>• 29.3 Coverage<br>• 78 Snaps<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a></p>&mdash; PFF KC Chiefs (@PFF_Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Chiefs/status/1341086775146639363?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[htismaqe]

It’s time to release the Gay!


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> linebackers in the last two games in Weeks 14-15<br><br>Willie Gay Jr.<br>• 88.2 Overall<br>• 90.4 Coverage<br>• 29 Snaps<br><br>Ben Niemann<br>• 56.5 Overall<br>• 49.1 Coverage<br>• 122 Snaps<br><br>Anthony Hitchens<br>• 29.5 Overall<br>• 29.3 Coverage<br>• 78 Snaps<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a></p>&mdash; PFF KC Chiefs (@PFF_Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Chiefs/status/1341086775146639363?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Dude, those grades are obviously WAY off.

There's no way Niemann graded higher than Hitchens. Hitchens was all over the field yesterday and was in on nearly every running play. He had one of his best games of the year yesterday. PFF is trash.

[-King-]

29 snaps in 2 games is unbelievable. I don't get it at all. It's like they're not even trying to get him out there more.

[staylor26]

29 snaps in 2 games is unbelievable. I don't get it at all. It's like they're not even trying to get him out there more.


https://i.imgur.com/RKrR15s.jpg

[Riflemen]

I'm really not a Nieman fan. He misses a lot of tackles. He's go to be the worst player on the team who gets playing time imo.

[Mahomes_Is_God]

Willie Gay is a professional football player in the National Football League, IMO.

[-King-]

https://i.imgur.com/RKrR15s.jpg

That's kind of funny.

But seriously, we all thought he would get increasing snap counts as the season went on and 14 games in, he hasn't. I think it's fair to wonder why.

[KChiefs1]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> linebackers in the last two games in Weeks 14-15<br><br>Willie Gay Jr.<br>• 88.2 Overall<br>• 90.4 Coverage<br>• 29 Snaps<br><br>Ben Niemann<br>• 56.5 Overall<br>• 49.1 Coverage<br>• 122 Snaps<br><br>Anthony Hitchens<br>• 29.5 Overall<br>• 29.3 Coverage<br>• 78 Snaps<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a></p>&mdash; PFF KC Chiefs (@PFF_Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Chiefs/status/1341086775146639363?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Dude, those grades are obviously WAY off.

There's no way Niemann graded higher than Hitchens. Hitchens was all over the field yesterday and was in on nearly every running play. He had one of his best games of the year yesterday. PFF is trash.

In fairness, rewatching the game, Niemann played better than he has in other games as well. People, expecting him to cover a TE in a hook to curl zone drop when Brees has all day in the pocket, don't understand football...

[ChiefsFanatic]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> linebackers in the last two games in Weeks 14-15<br><br>Willie Gay Jr.<br>• 88.2 Overall<br>• 90.4 Coverage<br>• 29 Snaps<br><br>Ben Niemann<br>• 56.5 Overall<br>• 49.1 Coverage<br>• 122 Snaps<br><br>Anthony Hitchens<br>• 29.5 Overall<br>• 29.3 Coverage<br>• 78 Snaps<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a></p>— PFF KC Chiefs (@PFF_Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Chiefs/status/1341086775146639363?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>In significantly less playing time, Gay had one less solo tackle than Niemann coming into the Saints game. Seeing the disparity in snaps and production in that tweet make it even more ridiculous that Niemann is playing instead of Gay.

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[DaFace]

That's kind of funny.

But seriously, we all thought he would get increasing snap counts as the season went on and 14 games in, he hasn't. I think it's fair to wonder why.

My guess:

He's good at playing the "see ball, get ball" game.

He's not good at playing the "get the defensive alignments in place so that the other 10 guys on the field can be successful" game.

[htismaqe]

My guess:

He's good at playing the "see ball, get ball" game.

He's not good at playing the "get the defensive alignments in place so that the other 10 guys on the field can be successful" game.

Yep.

[-King-]

My guess:

He's good at playing the "see ball, get ball" game.

He's not good at playing the "get the defensive alignments in place so that the other 10 guys on the field can be successful" game.

Neimann doesn't do that on the majority of snaps he's in on

[wazu]

My guess:

He's good at playing the "see ball, get ball" game.

He's not good at playing the "get the defensive alignments in place so that the other 10 guys on the field can be successful" game.

So then Niemann must be some defensive football genius. Maybe the fact that he sucks has somehow made him really good at telling everybody else what to do to help cover for his shitty play.

[Riflemen]

My guess:

He's good at playing the "see ball, get ball" game.

He's not good at playing the "get the defensive alignments in place so that the other 10 guys on the field can be successful" game.

Yes, he reminds me of Lavaar Arrington. He's a freak but not that smart.

[KChiefs1]

Yes, he reminds me of Lavaar Arrington. He's a freak but not that smart.


Well he did attend Mississippi State.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Man, if only Spags/House had a clue about what they were doing. Hell, we might even have a Super Bowl. If only.

[dlphg9]

Man, if only Spags/House had a clue about what they were doing. Hell, we might even have a Super Bowl. If only.

God damn, this "we can't question the coaches about anything because we won a Super Bowl" thing is stupid as hell.

[htismaqe]

God damn, this "we can't question the coaches about anything because we won a Super Bowl" thing is stupid as hell.

Spags has more than one SB ring, BTW.

And it's not that we can't question them. A lot of this isn't "questioning" it's flat out accusing them of being inept.

Which is just ridiculous.

[-King-]

God damn, this "we can't question the coaches about anything because we won a Super Bowl" thing is stupid as hell.

Especially coming from the guy who cried about cutting Kareem Hunt for 2 years.

[Megatron96]

God damn, this "we can't question the coaches about anything because we won a Super Bowl" thing is stupid as hell.

I'm reasonably confident that Spags and House haven't forgotten about Gay. Just as I'm confident that Gay is playing as many snaps as they feel he's ready for. When Gay is ready to play more, he will.

It's really that simple.

And questioning the competence of a man that has won two Super Bowl rings with two different teams and two completely different sets of players in two different decades is what's really stupid. Just sayin'.

[RunKC]

My guess:

He's good at playing the "see ball, get ball" game.

He's not good at playing the "get the defensive alignments in place so that the other 10 guys on the field can be successful" game.

In terms of positions, the closer you get to the center of the field equals the more knowledge you need to have success.

[-King-]

I'm reasonably confident that Spags and House haven't forgotten about Gay. Just as I'm confident that Gay is playing as many snaps as they feel he's ready for. When Gay is ready to play more, he will.

It's really that simple.

And questioning the competence of a man that has won two Super Bowl rings with two different teams and two completely different sets of players in two different decades is what's really stupid. Just sayin'.

Yeah but it's still a message/discussion board. We can still discuss and try to figure out what those reasons are ourselves.

[htismaqe]

Yeah but it's still a message/discussion board. We can still discuss and try to figure out what those reasons are ourselves.

True and there's a lot of people doing just that.

There's also a lot of people suggesting that these coaches are clueless.

Both are true.

[Ming the Merciless]

I thought SandyCheeks and TiggerUppercut already left this board?

[Megatron96]

Yeah but it's still a message/discussion board. We can still discuss and try to figure out what those reasons are ourselves.

no issues with discussion. Calling Spags competence into question is a big stretch, all things considered, though.

[Ming the Merciless]

no issues with discussion. Calling Spags competence into question is a big stretch, all things considered, though.


holy shit you have a lot of posts in 1 year


i need to get back into shape

[-King-]

True and there's a lot of people doing just that.

There's also a lot of people suggesting that these coaches are clueless.

Both are true.

Not really. It's more like:

Person A: Something must really be wrong if he still isn't really getting on the field this late in the season.

You and others: Yeah, superbowl winning coaches Spags and House must have no idea what they're doing huh? They must be stupid huh?!??

[Megatron96]

holy shit you have a lot of posts in 1 year


i need to get back into shape

heh, this is what happens when a stupid virus closes everything down. My free time is spent either fishing or here.

[htismaqe]

Not really. It's more like:

Person A: Something must really be wrong if he still isn't really getting on the field this late in the season.

You and others: Yeah, superbowl winning coaches Spags and House must have no idea what they're doing huh? They must be stupid huh?!??

This is a direct quote, from you even:

"It's like they're not even trying to get him out there more."

You flat out accused them of not trying. Like they want to lose or something.

Come on, man. You're better than this.

[Ming the Merciless]

heh, this is what happens when a stupid virus closes everything down. My free time is spent either fishing or here.


noice


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[-King-]

This is a direct quote, from you even:

"It's like they're not even trying to get him out there more."

You flat out accused them of not trying. Like they want to lose or something.

Come on, man. You're better than this.

That's not calling him stupid. That's the truth. His snap counts haven't really increased. He played 12 total snaps yesterday. If they were trying to get him out there more, they would and let him make his rookie mistakes so that hopefully by playoff time, he would have at least some of them ironed out and be able to play more snaps.

But at week 15, the time to do that may have passed.

I don't know how you took that as me attacking their competence over me talking about their strategy.

[DaFace]

That's not calling him stupid. That's the truth. His snap counts haven't really increased. He played 12 total snaps yesterday. If they were trying to get him out there more, they would and let him make his rookie mistakes so that hopefully by playoff time, he would have at least some of them ironed out and be able to play more snaps.

But at week 15, the time to do that may have passed.

I don't know how you took that as me attacking their competence over me talking about their strategy.

I think it just comes across as pompous when you're making an evaluation of their strategy with 5% of their knowledge about the situation. It's clear that Spags isn't incompetent, so my conclusion is that Gay is fucking up in ways that we don't know about rather than Spags' strategy being wrong in this particular situation despite a track record to the contrary.

[crispystl]

I'm really not a Nieman fan. He misses a lot of tackles. He's go to be the worst player on the team who gets playing time imo.


He’s the worst player on D that gets playing time and Keizer is the worst player on Offense that plays.


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[Pitt Gorilla]

Yeah but it's still a message/discussion board. We can still discuss and try to figure out what those reasons are ourselves.

Absolutely. Anyone suggesting that his playing time is somehow "incorrect" or "ridiculous" is a different deal altogether.

[-King-]

I think it just comes across as pompous when you're making an evaluation of their strategy with 5% of their knowledge about the situation. It's clear that Spags isn't incompetent, so my conclusion is that Gay is fucking up in ways that we don't know about rather than Spags' strategy being wrong in this particular situation despite a track record to the contrary.

I didn't say that Spags strategy was wrong. I just personally don't understand it. And no, I get that they don't owe me anything and I'm a dumbass that doesn't understand shit and that they forgot more about football that I'll ever know and yada yada yada.

And I agree with you that it has to be something he isn't mentally getting. But damn, I still think he could be out there on plays where Neimann isn't calling the defense which is the majority amount of plays. Cause with Neimann, even if he reads the play right, he simply lacks the athleticism to get out and make the play. Not to mention the plays where he doesn't read the play. So it's always a lose lose with him.

But damn, can we discuss football without it being some conspiracy about since we don't like something or disagree with something that means we hate being the best team in football or we think the coaches are dumb? This is getting to be like when patriots fans would criticize Bills drafting and some other Patriots fan would come in with "Oh I gUeSs YoU haTe WiNnIng SupErBowlS hUh?" It's such a lazy thing to do IMO.

[Megatron96]

I didn't say that Spags strategy was wrong. I just personally don't understand it. And no, I get that they don't owe me anything and I'm a dumbass that doesn't understand shit and that they forgot more about football that I'll ever know and yada yada yada.

And I agree with you that it has to be something he isn't mentally getting. But damn, I still think he could be out there on plays where Neimann isn't calling the defense which is the majority amount of plays. Cause with Neimann, even if he reads the play right, he simply lacks the athleticism to get out and make the play. Not to mention the plays where he doesn't read the play. So it's always a lose lose with him.

But damn, can we discuss football without it being some conspiracy about since we don't like something or disagree with something that means we hate being the best team in football or we think the coaches are dumb? This is getting to be like when patriots fans would criticize Bills drafting and some other Patriots fan would come in with "Oh I gUeSs YoU haTe WiNnIng SupErBowlS hUh?" It's such a lazy thing to do IMO.

Done. At least as far as I'm concerned. Tabula rasa and all that. Site-wide.

Getting disgusted with myself as much as anyone lately anyway. New leaf turned over.

Peace.:thumb:

[Megatron96]

Yeah but it's still a message/discussion board. We can still discuss and try to figure out what those reasons are ourselves.

Just a thought: did NOR go into a hurry-up type offense early in the second half? I don't remember now, but if they did, it would've limited how Spags subbed player packages in and out of the game.

[htismaqe]

I didn't say that Spags strategy was wrong. I just personally don't understand it. And no, I get that they don't owe me anything and I'm a dumbass that doesn't understand shit and that they forgot more about football that I'll ever know and yada yada yada.

And I agree with you that it has to be something he isn't mentally getting. But damn, I still think he could be out there on plays where Neimann isn't calling the defense which is the majority amount of plays. Cause with Neimann, even if he reads the play right, he simply lacks the athleticism to get out and make the play. Not to mention the plays where he doesn't read the play. So it's always a lose lose with him.

But damn, can we discuss football without it being some conspiracy about since we don't like something or disagree with something that means we hate being the best team in football or we think the coaches are dumb? This is getting to be like when patriots fans would criticize Bills drafting and some other Patriots fan would come in with "Oh I gUeSs YoU haTe WiNnIng SupErBowlS hUh?" It's such a lazy thing to do IMO.

I get it, and it really isn't fair to people like you who just wanna discuss it.

But take a look at the site lately - there's so much just blind bitching and moaning - this guy sucks, this guy sucks, the coaches suck, fire this guy, cut this guy.

It wears on people after a while.

[O.city]

Wish we could cut htisimage

[staylor26]

Wish we could cut htisimage

LMAO

You’ve become quite the troll as of late.

Bored?

[DaFace]

Wish we could cut htisimageThe mods have a plan for him. You just have to be patient.

[stevieray]

He took a bad angle on Hill and got punk'd.

He'll learn.

[BWillie]

There is more than playing football than just being fast. But being fast is becoming more and more important as coverage acumen is increasingly importance in todays pass happy NFL

[htismaqe]

The mods have a plan for him. You just have to be patient.

ROFL

This ought to be fun.

[Deberg_1990]

I thought he looked really good today.

[crispystl]

Gay looked great today. He’s gonna be a hell
Of a player for us. Him, Sneed and Wharton should all be key players in the future.


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[Halfcan]

Gay had 9 stops and a tackle for a loss. He led the team.

[Peter Gibbons]

When the Gay was released today I found myself elated. NTTIAWWT

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Gay had 9 stops and a tackle for a loss. He led the team.

Cut him.

[CasselGotPeedOn]

Gay really does have limitless potential

[RealSNR]

Gay's out of the closet! Now he's gonna pound dudes!

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

He should get starting time next week, too.

Could really use some fresh legs on Defense in the playoffs.

[Brody Wa]

We will lose in the first round of the playoffs this year if we play like we played against the Falcolns. That was a ugly game.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Gay made some good plays, but some really really bad ones as well. Rewatch the game and focus on him. Niemann was playing pretty good today if you watch as well. However, Gay definitely has way more upside potential, I hope he learns from his mistakes...

[-King-]

Gay made some good plays, but some really really bad ones as well. Rewatch the game and focus on him. Niemann was playing pretty good today if you watch as well. However, Gay definitely has way more upside potential, I hope he learns from his mistakes...

What were those really bad plays you keep talking about?

[Pitt Gorilla]

Again, I hate to say it, but we really do miss Hitch on the field.

[TwistedChief]

Gay has a ton of potential. And he shows that every single time he's on the field. He's exactly the player we envisioned when Veach drafted him.

But the guy didn't even play that much in college and then missed OTAs, the preseason, etc. There's no way he has the ability to QB the defense like Hitchens or Niemann does...yet.

But when he puts it all together, he's going to be really special. Love his physical ability.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

What were those really bad plays you keep talking about?

Again, rewatch the game and focus on him... He has a ton of upside, but he got pancaked to his back on a running play and blown up by the fullback on another. He is often out of position or has misreads. He had some really good plays because he is very very athletic and will be the future at the position, but those saying he was amazing today, didn't watch him on every play.

[-King-]

Again, rewatch the game and focus on him... He has a ton of upside, but he got pancaked to his back on a running play and blown up by the fullback on another. He is often out of position or has misreads. He had some really good plays because he is very very athletic and will be the future at the position, but those saying he was amazing today, didn't watch him on every play.

And he still made more plays and was better than Neimann on Neimanns best day.

[Hoover]

I thought we played well until Neiman went out. That other LB dude was way out of position.

[Deberg_1990]

I thought we played well until Neiman went out. That other LB dude was way out of position.

They only gave up 14 points. In today’s game, that’s playing really well.

[louie aguiar]

Chiefs best lb since Derrick Johnson.

[Deberg_1990]

Gay pounded very hard today.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

And he still made more plays and was better than Neimann on Neimanns best day.

Again, rewatch, its just not true... Niemann was actually playing fairly well today, which is his ceiling, again, Gay isn't near his ceiling, and is the future. However, he looked like a HS player on some plays, and an NFL star on some plays today...

[htismaqe]

And he still made more plays and was better than Neimann on Neimanns best day.

Not today sorry. Gay was too shallow in his drops and was out of position in the passing game several times. He’s got a ways to go. Bormann actually had a really good game.

[Great Expectations]

Not today sorry. Gay was too shallow in his drops and was out of position in the passing game several times. He’s got a ways to go. Bormann actually had a really good game.

Even with those coachable improvements needed he is still a lot better than Neiman who doesn’t make the play when he is in the correct position. Gay is so much more athletic that he sometimes makes plays when he is out of position.

[Great Expectations]

Again, rewatch, its just not true... Niemann was actually playing fairly well today, which is his ceiling, again, Gay isn't near his ceiling, and is the future. However, he looked like a HS player on some plays, and an NFL star on some plays today...

If Neimann was just a little below average athlete he could’ve picked off Ryan on the play where he threw the ball 15 yards high and 5 yards down the field to the RB (was this the play he hurt himself on?). Instead he looks like he has cement in his shoes and can’t get anywhere in open space.

[Dunerdr]

We will probably be forced to with injuries but id give gay every snap next week. He's got to be on the field to grow. lets get him as good as we can as we roll into the playoffs.

[O.city]

In my opinion, this is why he should have been playing earlier. He's making mistakes now you woudl expect a rookie to make. You can see the athleticism but he just needs experience.

[Perineum Ripper]

If Neimann was just a little below average athlete he could’ve picked off Ryan on the play where he threw the ball 15 yards high and 5 yards down the field to the RB (was this the play he hurt himself on?). Instead he looks like he has cement in his shoes and can’t get anywhere in open space.

That was also the play where he hurt hamstring or whatever it was, he was skipping on one leg on his way to the ball. So that might not be the greatest play to point out





He has tons of plays where he sucks fat donkey cock

[Iczer]

Not today sorry. Gay was too shallow in his drops and was out of position in the passing game several times. He’s got a ways to go. Bormann actually had a really good game.

I dunno it seemed like Nieman kept filling the wrong gaps allowing wide open runs

[Chris Meck]

Not today sorry. Gay was too shallow in his drops and was out of position in the passing game several times. He’s got a ways to go. Bormann actually had a really good game.

Yeah, we saw that good, the bad, and the ugly with Gay this week.

Wow, he can fly, and is very physical.

Also-wow can he just look clueless.

He's just not mentally ready to be in there all the time yet.

That being said, I think they should play him all game next week, the reps will do him good.

[Chris Meck]

In my opinion, this is why he should have been playing earlier. He's making mistakes now you woudl expect a rookie to make. You can see the athleticism but he just needs experience.

well, when you're trying to win your division, and then trying to get the bye and home field advantage to return to the Super Bowl and win it, you can't really risk all that on a rookie losing you games you must win.

It's not like we're blowing people out; a few bad plays could make the difference between 14-2 and 11-5.

I say 14-2 because I expect we'll not play the starters all that much this week and will lose.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Yeah, we saw that good, the bad, and the ugly with Gay this week.

Wow, he can fly, and is very physical.

Also-wow can he just look clueless.

He's just not mentally ready to be in there all the time yet.

That being said, I think they should play him all game next week, the reps will do him good.

^this^ I'm excited about Gay's future with the Chiefs...

[emaw1979]

well, when you're trying to win your division, and then trying to get the bye and home field advantage to return to the Super Bowl and win it, you can't really risk all that on a rookie losing you games you must win.

It's not like we're blowing people out; a few bad plays could make the difference between 14-2 and 11-5.

I say 14-2 because I expect we'll not play the starters all that much this week and will lose.

I normally agree with this take but there is no reason to start Neiman over Gay. Neiman's physical limitations are far greater than Gay's mental limitations. The best and fastest way for Gay to learn and make his impact is on the field not sitting behind a horrible LB that "knows the playbook."

[O.city]

well, when you're trying to win your division, and then trying to get the bye and home field advantage to return to the Super Bowl and win it, you can't really risk all that on a rookie losing you games you must win.

It's not like we're blowing people out; a few bad plays could make the difference between 14-2 and 11-5.

I say 14-2 because I expect we'll not play the starters all that much this week and will lose.

Yeah, I don't disagree.

This year being what it is, they weren't gonna get much from rookies who needed some seasoning.

[Megatron96]

I normally agree with this take but there is no reason to start Neiman over Gay. Neiman's physical limitations are far greater than Gay's mental limitations. The best and fastest way for Gay to learn and make his impact is on the field not sitting behind a horrible LB that "knows the playbook."

Bearing in mind that Gay, nor any of the rooks, got a real preseason or any preseason games to get some of that 'seasoning,' you fellas are talking about.

[Iczer]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> LB Willie Gay Jr. made a big impact on Sunday<br><br>• 49 Snaps<br>• 85.2 Overall (Best with 20+ snaps)<br>• 87.0 Run Defense (Season-Best)<br>• 81.2 Tackling (Season-Best)<br>• 69.9 Coverage<br>• 10 Tackles<br>• 0 Missed Tackles<br>• 6 Stops<br><br>📸: Denny Medley, USA Today<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/eeZfwtU0Ny">pic.twitter.com/eeZfwtU0Ny</a></p>&mdash; PFF KC Chiefs (@PFF_Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Chiefs/status/1343572430460170246?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[DaFace]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> LB Willie Gay Jr. made a big impact on Sunday<br><br>• 49 Snaps<br>• 85.2 Overall (Best with 20+ snaps)<br>• 87.0 Run Defense (Season-Best)<br>• 81.2 Tackling (Season-Best)<br>• 69.9 Coverage<br>• 10 Tackles<br>• 0 Missed Tackles<br>• 6 Stops<br><br>[emoji991]: Denny Medley, USA Today<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/eeZfwtU0Ny">pic.twitter.com/eeZfwtU0Ny</a></p>— PFF KC Chiefs (@PFF_Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Chiefs/status/1343572430460170246?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>I really try to view PFF for what it is and not try to read too much into it, but it's really hard to get excited about tweets like this when they're right beside tweets like this.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> LB Ben Niemann had by far the best game of his career on Sunday<br><br>• 84.9 Overall (Career-Best, season-best by >10)<br>• 90.7 Coverage (Career-Best, season-best by >20)<br>• 74.0 Tackling<br>• 5 Yards Allowed<br>• Forced Fumble<br><br>[emoji991]: Denny Medley, USA Today<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/bCt4G2RGKv">pic.twitter.com/bCt4G2RGKv</a></p>— PFF KC Chiefs (@PFF_Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Chiefs/status/1343573693990137857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

You mean that guys contribute more when they are on the field more? How insightful...

[Chris Meck]

I think there's a tendency to watch football and see-

Hey, Gay made a great tackle there! Nice play! He should be in every down!

And then the next play, there's a dump-off to a RB in the flat where Gay misread the flow and the play goes for 40 yards or something and if you're watching you don't understand that it was Gay who screwed up.

Both of those things happened yesterday.

I think Gay has star potential; but he's not yet ready for primetime and it's difficult when you're trying to win a SB to put him out there and take the bad with the good.

Now this week? hell yeah, he plays every damned snap if you can arrange it.

We're going to need him to make some plays this postseason.

[htismaqe]

Funny, I’d have to say those PFF ratings are pretty accurate from what I saw yesterday.

[htismaqe]

I think there's a tendency to watch football and see-

Hey, Gay made a great tackle there! Nice play! He should be in every down!

And then the next play, there's a dump-off to a RB in the flat where Gay misread the flow and the play goes for 40 yards or something and if you're watching you don't understand that it was Gay who screwed up.

Both of those things happened yesterday.

I think Gay has star potential; but he's not yet ready for primetime and it's difficult when you're trying to win a SB to put him out there and take the bad with the good.

Now this week? hell yeah, he plays every damned snap if you can arrange it.

We're going to need him to make some plays this postseason.

Exactly. Two of their chunk plays over the middle were to spots where Gay should have been if his drop was deep enough. He’s getting there but he’s not there yet.

[DaFace]

Funny, I’d have to say those PFF ratings are pretty accurate from what I saw yesterday.Sure, but my point is that they're largely just driven by time on the field rather than an average performance per play.

[scho63]

Gay was quick to the ball, made great tackles and smacked that runner to jar the ball loose and turn the game at that moment.

I want him in all game this week when needed.

[Megatron96]

I think there's a tendency to watch football and see-

Hey, Gay made a great tackle there! Nice play! He should be in every down!

And then the next play, there's a dump-off to a RB in the flat where Gay misread the flow and the play goes for 40 yards or something and if you're watching you don't understand that it was Gay who screwed up.

Both of those things happened yesterday.

I think Gay has star potential; but he's not yet ready for primetime and it's difficult when you're trying to win a SB to put him out there and take the bad with the good.

Now this week? hell yeah, he plays every damned snap if you can arrange it.

We're going to need him to make some plays this postseason.

This.

I thought Gay had a great game, overall. But he also missed some plays, and maybe I didn't see it right, but I'm almost positive that Gay did, in fact, miss one tackle. But someone else came and cleaned it up, so who cares?

And I was surprised at how well Niemann played overall as well.

But often PFF rates/ranks players in ways that I find puzzling. Last season, for instance, they decided that Patrick was the 6th best QB in the NFL after week 3 or 4? Based on things like "hidden INTs/Turnovers" or something?

So in a very general sense I can agree with PFF, in that both Gay and Niemann played well yesterday.

The actual numbers that they throw out there I tend to treat as arbitrary, with a fairly wide window for error, unless I can find another source to back up their "ratings."

[htismaqe]

Sure, but my point is that they're largely just driven by time on the field rather than an average performance per play.

It’s the inherent bias of a small sample size, IMO. All PFF does is watch the games, just like we do. Less snaps equals more overall weight per snap, good or bad.

[BossChief]

Gotta give Gay enough snaps to let the coaches have game tape to coach him with leading up to our divisional round game.

[Sassy Squatch]

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2021/1/1/22209259/chiefs-steve-spagnuolo-says-willie-gay-is-going-to-see-a-lot-of-football-nfl-darius-harris-week-16

“What Willie does is he plays fast,” Spagnuolo noted. “He plays fast and he’s physical — and that’s what you want in your linebackers. [But] there’s still a learning curve here — I think that’s true of anybody that plays that particular position in year one. And again, I go back to not having the offseason and whatnot, but we’re getting him caught up. He’s certainly going to see a lot of football now — and that’s a good thing for him.”