Do you agree with the play call that got Mahomes concussed?

[Deberg_1990]

Not sure why you wouldn’t call a run play with a RB there? I think the next play D Williams picked up 12 on a 4th and 1.

Did not like the call at all. Discuss.....

[The Franchise]

I think you should go fuck yourself and lose your thread starting privileges.

[Chris Meck]

yeah, we've run it a million times.

You can't play scared.

It was a freak thing.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Yes, but I don't agree with Mahomes taking the hit. He's gotta protect himself out there. He's still learning.

[BWillie]

Not this shit again. Play call was fine. And you know what? We should start running QB sneaks again with Mahomes, too. You can't always be results oriented on shit like this.

[comochiefsfan]

Freak injury.

Just like the QB sneak last year.

Just one of those things that happens sometimes.

[BWillie]

Yes, but I don't agree with Mahomes taking the hit. He's gotta protect himself out there.

I mean, he usually does. Watch other QBs and watch Mahomes. Mahomes rarely takes hits unless....it's the playoffs like last year when he took quite a few. But in the regular season Mahomes really gives himself up more than other QBs. I remember Trent Green didn't even know how to slide lol

[penguinz]

This was all on Mahomes making the wrong decision on the RPO. Should have tossed off to Williams.

[ChiefsCountry]

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[Ghost of Maslowski]

i'd have had less of a problem with it if we couldn't already see him limping around from whatever happened to his foot earlier in the game

the guy is the franchise and if he's already got a bad wheel then you need to come up with something better than that

[rico]

No I don’t agree with it, I think they should have impaled Mack Wilson on the spot.

[T-post Tom]

Not sure why you wouldn’t call a run play with a RB there? I think the next play D Williams picked up 12 on a 4th and 1.

Did not like the call at all. Discuss.....

General consensus might be somewhat different if the Chiefs had lost this game. And I am so fucking happy that they didn’t.

[TEX]

i'd have had less of a problem with it if we couldn't already see him limping around from whatever happened to his foot earlier in the game

the guy is the franchise and if he's already got a bad wheel then you need to come up with something better than that

This is my take also.

[AussieChiefsFan]

A questionable decision bbb Patty to take that one himself. But there's also no way to predict a freak concussion like that. It was a low speed tackle too so you wouldn't expect anything was going to go wrong.

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[Kman34]

This was all on Mahomes making the wrong decision on the RPO. Should have tossed off to Williams.

Patrick decided to keep the ball.. I have no problem with the play call.. Could have easily happened on any drop back pass..Football players get injured. Just glad it wasn't worse..

[loochy]

Yes, it was the right play. We use it all the time and it works.

[threebag]

I think you should go fuck yourself and lose your thread starting privileges.

I think you have DeBerg and Dhlphag mixed up.

[Pitt Gorilla]

OP would have hated the 4th down call if it "didn't work."

[penguinz]

Patrick decided to keep the ball.. I have no problem with the play call.. Could have easily happened on any drop back pass..Football players get injured. Just glad it wasn't worse..

And that was the wrong decision. Exactly what I stated. He doesn’t make the wrong decision often but this was a big one.

[Cosmos]

Prefer that call around the goal line, like where points depend on it.

Not so much elsewhere.

[penguinz]

OP would have hated the 4th down call if it "didn't work."

OP probably is scared to leave his house if there is a chance of a cloud within 100 miles.

[TinyEvel]

I still can't see where he hit his head on anything. Not the other player. Not the other helmet. Not even the ground.

It was more like a neck-wrenching sleeper hold. He even was sort of gently brought (pried) down, but that's slo-mo.

I mean, his forehead may have hit the ground, its just barely out of frame in the replay. But in real-time it looks like it comes down pretty quickly, but no bounce or anything. I wonder if it was more like a whiplash?

I mean, isn't a concussion caused by your head getting jarred? Its your brain jiggling around in the cerebral fluid? So really, any sudden change in direction or stop in momentum could do it, you don't really have to HIT it on anything?

[Tribal Warfare]

And that was the wrong decision. Exactly what I stated. He doesn’t make the wrong decision often but this was a big one.

Who made the call Bieniemy or Reid

[dannybcaitlyn]

That play was just thrown out the playbook just like the sneak was.

[Dartgod]

Of course. We scored our first TD on the same play call and no one complained then.

Why is this even a question?

[penguinz]

Who made the call Bieniemy or Reid

It doesn’t matter. It was not a bad call. It was a bad decision by Mahomes.

[ForeverIowan]

Remove the freaking Mahomes running plays on 3rd and 4th and short from your playbook unless the damn Super Bowl is on the line! Especially when you are up TWO scores against the damn Browns and dominating the damn game. Mahomes' health is priority #1. Spare me the oh well its football injuries happen BS! Reid is one of the most imaginative play callers ever. We don't need to be running the freaking speed option with our MVP QB. Period. So unnecessary.

[Tribal Warfare]

It doesn’t matter. It was not a bad call. It was a bad decision by Mahomes.

That was the call like it was in the SB too

[KC_Connection]

They've run the same play hundreds of times, so no, I don't.

I do think as he ages, we'll probably have to cut this kind of stuff out a bit though.

[KC_Connection]

I still can't see where he hit his head on anything. Not the other player. Not the other helmet. Not even the ground.

It was more like a neck-wrenching sleeper hold. He even was sort of gently brought (pried) down, but that's slo-mo.

I mean, his forehead may have hit the ground, its just barely out of frame in the replay. But in real-time it looks like it comes down pretty quickly, but no bounce or anything. I wonder if it was more like a whiplash?

I mean, isn't a concussion caused by your head getting jarred? Its your brain jiggling around in the cerebral fluid? So really, any sudden change in direction or stop in momentum could do it, you don't really have to HIT it on anything?

The concussion came from the whiplash effect IMO (which can and does happen in rear end car accidents for example). You can see his body going the opposite direction of where his neck is getting pulled by the defender and he appears to get knocked immediately after that.

[Beef Supreme]

I hate that we can't just line up and get enough push to get a yard with a running back when we need it. But since we can't, that play sucks less than some of the other trick-ass shit they have tried.

[RealSNR]

Some people...

Mahomes gets a head injury. People think they shouldn’t have run the play because he had a gimpy toe.

Uhhh what?

[DTVietnam]

Good play call..we've had big success with it since Mahomes came here. .

shit happens..

[pugsnotdrugs19]

It’s football, stinks but it can happen to him dropping back to pass too.

I for one don’t think they should never sneak either, but I get why they don’t. But a play like today, you can’t just not run the football at all. It’s part of his game.

[KingPriest2]

If you go back and look. He didn’t hit his head. Look like he got choked out

I agree with it. It’s football.

[Megatron96]

Call was fine. Pat got taken down in a weird way.

/thread.

[mlyonsd]

Some people...

Mahomes gets a head injury. People think they shouldn’t have run the play because he had a gimpy toe.

Uhhh what?The concussion has nothing to do with it. I think it was a dumb play call running an option with a hobbled QB already knowing you were going to go for it on 4th down.

[penguinz]

The concussion has nothing to do with it. I think it was a dumb play call running an option with a hobbled QB already knowing you were going to go for it on 4th down.

Wrong. The only dumb thing was Mahomes kept it instead of pitching to Williams.

[rabblerouser]

The concussion has nothing to do with it. I think it was a dumb play call running an option with a hobbled QB already knowing you were going to go for it on 4th down.

This.

[dlphg9]

I think you have DeBerg and Dhlphag mixed up.

Not sure why you're so obsessed with me? I'm not even sure the last time I've interacted with you.

[Redbled]

i'd have had less of a problem with it if we couldn't already see him limping around from whatever happened to his foot earlier in the game

the guy is the franchise and if he's already got a bad wheel then you need to come up with something better than that

This. And if you already know you are going on 4th just run up the middle twice. Even we can get that with Williams.

[wazu]

Honestly I've been okay with us running that play because Mahomes is so good at it, but we need to stop. Mahomes is too important, and even though he's great running the ball his biggest value is far and away his passing ability. No more.

[bobbything]

I hate the starter of this thread.

[Jewish Rabbi]

Honestly I've been okay with us running that play because Mahomes is so good at it, but we need to stop. Mahomes is too important, and even though he's great running the ball his biggest value is far and away his passing ability. No more.

NO QB SNEAKS!! NO OPTION PLAYS!! NO 5 STEP DROPS BECAUSE HE THREW AN INTERCEPTION ONE TIME!!

[Ming the Merciless]

was the name was toss65ConcussOurQb

[PHOG]

I suppose that PMII has different thoughts, he's probably ready to go right now.

Suck it Bills

[wazu]

NO QB SNEAKS!! NO OPTION PLAYS!! NO 5 STEP DROPS BECAUSE HE THREW AN INTERCEPTION ONE TIME!!

Not what I'm saying at all. I think we should do QB sneaks. But running the option is different. That's a play that used to be completely out of the NFL because NFL QBs are too valuable. Then more running QBs started using it and it spread. I get that Mahomes is good at it, but it's miniscule in importance compared to him staying healthy and being able to execute our passing game.

[ChiTown]

I hate the starter of this thread.

Somewhere, a bag a dicks are waiting to be sucked by DeBerg.

[RealSNR]

The concussion has nothing to do with it. I think it was a dumb play call running an option with a hobbled QB already knowing you were going to go for it on 4th down.

Go with the successful play you've run dozens of times in the past, gimpy QB or no gimpy QB.

His toe isn't going to get fucked up any more than it would him running away from pressure. If you're that concerned about Mahomes' health with that toe, then he should have been sidelined the rest of the game when he got gimped up.

It's fucking football.

[seamonster]

Moronic play. He's a 500Mil face of the league. Not a 4th string backup. Lowering the shoulder and pretending to be a goal line RB ended the career of Cam. And Cam's got about 80 pounds on Mahomes. I've been saying this since last year. Mahomes has taken way too many hits.

[kcjayhawks5]

It was a freak thing just like the QB sneak in Denver. Here’s to hoping Patrick is a go for the Bills.

[mlyonsd]

Go with the successful play you've run dozens of times in the past, gimpy QB or no gimpy QB.

His toe isn't going to get ****ed up any more than it would him running away from pressure. If you're that concerned about Mahomes' health with that toe, then he should have been sidelined the rest of the game when he got gimped up.

It's ****ing football.
It has nothing to do with Pat and the Chiefs. I don't like running a sideways play with a hobbled QB on 3rd and 1 when you know you're going to go for it on 4th down anyway. It's one yard you need with two plays. I thought that's what we brought Bell in for.

[cosmo20002]

Not sure why you wouldn’t call a run play with a RB there? I think the next play D Williams picked up 12 on a 4th and 1.

Did not like the call at all. Discuss.....

They really should have the thumbs available on the OP.

[Dartgod]

Has it escaped everyone's attention that the first TD we scored was the exact same play? Where was the outrage then?

[suzzer99]

I know if we score after the INT the game is basically over and we wouldn't be running risky plays with Mahomes. We just can't seem to finish team's off this year when we have the chance.

[scho63]

Mahomes did NOT get a concussion!

He got choked out with a sleeper hold and yanked neck. Head never hit ground. Twisted hard like he was at a chiropractor with the arm of the defender across his throat.

[BWillie]

Moronic play. He's a 500Mil face of the league. Not a 4th string backup. Lowering the shoulder and pretending to be a goal line RB ended the career of Cam. And Cam's got about 80 pounds on Mahomes. I've been saying this since last year. Mahomes has taken way too many hits.

No he hasn't. Mahomes plays like a complete softie on scrambles in the reg season. In fact, I don't think Ive ever seen a QB take less hits than Mahomes. Hes always sliding or going out of bounds in the regular season but in the playoffs he dont give a fuck and plays to win the game as he should. Champion.

[Rain Man]

No issue at all with the playcall. It's the playoffs, and Mahomes options are almost unstoppable.

My only issue is that he had the toe thing, but in the halftime interview Andy said that it wasn't enough of an injury to change his playcalling.

[jerryaldini]

Seems like injury risk is greater on that play than a sneak. How often do QBs get injured on sneaks? Wish we could go back to it.

[Demonpenz]

Not sure why you wouldn’t call a run play with a RB there? I think the next play D Williams picked up 12 on a 4th and 1.

Did not like the call at all. Discuss.....

run the option with a 500 billion player and bad toe he hasn't looked good running all day. No don't agree. I am with it being a football play. He could have been sacked and hurt.

[Monticore]

Reid probably told pay to make sure he tosses but pat is way too competitive

[wazu]

Has it escaped everyone's attention that the first TD we scored was the exact same play? Where was the outrage then?

Non-existent. I'm as guilty as Andy at being happy with the result, even if during the play I always hold my breath. We can win without having Mahomes take on linebackers as a running back.

[rabblerouser]

If you go back and look. He didn’t hit his head. Look like he got choked out

I agree with it. It’s football.

I thought he should've pitched the ball. Wasn't necessarily the call, it's PMII's decision to keep it...

[Sorce]

Not sure why you wouldn’t call a run play with a RB there? I think the next play D Williams picked up 12 on a 4th and 1.

Did not like the call at all. Discuss.....

https://i.imgur.com/MpA1rBA.jpg

[Azide22]

No, I dont. Bad toe. Nuf said.

[Baby Lee]

i'd have had less of a problem with it if we couldn't already see him limping around from whatever happened to his foot earlier in the game

the guy is the franchise and if he's already got a bad wheel then you need to come up with something better than that

No way I can even try to speak authoritatively on this, but to my eye it reminded me of problems I almost ALWAYS had with my feet in sports.

Whether it was soccer or basketball, I was constantly susceptible to 'tweaking' something in the structure, and then it would be painful but not debilitating.

I'd twist my ankle a bit on a rebound, or bruise my arch or buckle my toe on a kick, and when I was just concentrating on walking around it would hurt like hell, but when I was concentrating on playing, the pain would be suppressed. I don't know if it's a circulation thing or a nerve thing, but if you had time to process the pain, it would be painful, but if you focused on performing the muscle and ligament structures would still be fine.

That's clearly a rosy scenario, based on hope observing from the outside. But I spent years and years as the guy who limped around wincing between plays, then played just fine when the ball was back in play.

[Red Dawg]

I don't like it.

[Marcellus]

Kind of hard to make the option play work unless the QB is involved.

[chiefzilla1501]

No he hasn't. Mahomes plays like a complete softie on scrambles in the reg season. In fact, I don't think Ive ever seen a QB take less hits than Mahomes. Hes always sliding or going out of bounds in the regular season but in the playoffs he dont give a **** and plays to win the game as he should. Champion.

The qb who takes the least hits is Derek carr. I've never seen a qb slide right before the sticks on third downs the way he does. No wonder his teammates think the guys a sissy.

[Danguardace]

I am not being a hypocrite but whether it's Pat or Josh Allen or Baker I see too many designed run for QBs, guys that are now taking up more and more % of the cap. How many designed runs Brady/Brees ran over the last 20 years?

[louie aguiar]

I am not being a hypocrite but whether it's Pat or Josh Allen or Baker I see too many designed run for QBs, guys that are now taking up more and more % of the cap. How many designed runs Brady/Brees ran over the last 20 years?

Brady is great at the qb sneak. He just scored yesterday running it in.

[Danguardace]

Brady is great at the qb sneak. He just scored yesterday running it in.
I get you but not the same as running against uncontested Lineman

[FloridaMan88]

The Chiefs have struggled (relatively) all season with 3rd and 1 or 2 yard situations because they are not built to just run the ball up the middle when the defense is expecting run.

Obviously the traditional QB sneak is out of the question, so the QB option play is the type of high % play the Chiefs should run to convert.

Mahomes generally is good at avoiding big hits when he runs... in this case he didn't see the defender coming... it happens.

[emaw1979]

Yes. It's been a great play for them. It was an awkward and dangerous tackle. You shouldn't be able to tackle by the neck.

[kcpasco]

It’s time to draft fatties.

[nychief]

A FUCKING OPTION?! No I don't agree... and they better fucking start protecting Pat or we are going to have Steve Young brain on our hands. They learned their lesson with the QB sneaks... fucking learn from this.

[Megatron96]

I am not being a hypocrite but whether it's Pat or Josh Allen or Baker I see too many designed run for QBs, guys that are now taking up more and more % of the cap. How many designed runs Brady/Brees ran over the last 20 years?

Are you serious? You do know that Brady can't actually run, right?

And Brees ran in his younger days. Hell, just two years ago we watched him run an option to help secure a win.

People need to wash the sand out of their vags right before kickoff. Start fresh. Take a pill.

[Red Dawg]

The option should go. Mahomes is too valuable. It's a stupid play call.

[CoMoChief]

I agree with it.

Mahomes is a football player.

It was a freak kind of incident.

He wasn't knocked into next week...he was choked out...which is weird.

[Katie]

Yes. It's been a great play for them. It was an awkward and dangerous tackle. You shouldn't be able to tackle by the neck.

Exactly.

[FloridaMan88]

The option should go. Mahomes is too valuable. It's a stupid play call.

So no traditional QB sneak, no QB option/roll out plays to help the Chiefs in short yardage situations when their weak interior offensive line gets exposed with the inability to line up and run the ball.

And people will wonder why the Chiefs struggle on 3rd and 1 or 2 yards. :shake:

[Megatron96]

So no traditional QB sneak, no QB option/roll out plays to help the Chiefs in short yardage situations when their weak interior offensive line gets exposed with the inability to line up and run the ball.

And people will wonder why the Chiefs struggle on 3rd and 1 or 2 yards. :shake:

No deep drops either.

Basically these donkeys want to re-hire Marty.

Hell, while we're at it, since we are going to go full-on "let's treat the QB like a china doll," we should trade Patrick for Alex asap. Then at least we'd have good reason to treat him like a piece of glass.

[philfree]

I'm surprised there isn't a gif of the play posted in a header. From looking at a video on youtube it looks like he takes a helmet to the top the back of his shoulder just below the neck. But the defender also wraps his arm around his neck and attempts to pull his head off. Why that's not a penalty I don't know. That guy came with intent to injure. Was it the helmet or the arm around the neck that caused the trauma?

[philfree]

They had the pitch man covered so Mahomes had no choice but to keep the ball.

[Tom_A_Hawk]

They had the pitch man covered so Mahomes had no choice but to keep the ball.

agree...Mahomes could have tried to slide but that doesn't seem his style

[RunKC]

Andy needs to make this a rare call and just run the ****ing ball. Hell use Kelce on those designed plays too.

It doesn’t matter whether Patrick was knocked out or choked out, his eyes were glazed and he couldn’t even stand up.

It’s still trauma and it’s still a very bad idea, especially now. Look no further than Luke Keuchly and what a handful of traumatic experiences like that did to him.

Don’t think anyone needs a reminder that Patrick is a half a billion dollar investment, so maybe treat him like one.

[cosmo20002]

Mahomes did NOT get a concussion!

He got choked out with a sleeper hold and yanked neck. Head never hit ground. Twisted hard like he was at a chiropractor with the arm of the defender across his throat.

LMAO

[cosmo20002]

No way I can even try to speak authoritatively on this, but to my eye it reminded me of problems I almost ALWAYS had with my feet in sports.

Whether it was soccer or basketball, I was constantly susceptible to 'tweaking' something in the structure, and then it would be painful but not debilitating.

I'd twist my ankle a bit on a rebound, or bruise my arch or buckle my toe on a kick, and when I was just concentrating on walking around it would hurt like hell, but when I was concentrating on playing, the pain would be suppressed. I don't know if it's a circulation thing or a nerve thing, but if you had time to process the pain, it would be painful, but if you focused on performing the muscle and ligament structures would still be fine.

That's clearly a rosy scenario, based on hope observing from the outside. But I spent years and years as the guy who limped around wincing between plays, then played just fine when the ball was back in play.

:facepalm:LMAO

[FloridaMan88]

Maybe the Chiefs should consider drafting a Taysom Hill gadget-type player who can come in and run QB sneaks or option plays when needed if they are now eliminated from the playbook for Mahomes.

The Chiefs have struggled in short yardage situations this year and those type of plays have helped them.

[Gary Cooper]

Why have Sherman on the roster if we never run behind the fullback? I know this isn't 1995, but still.

[crayzkirk]

Watched a video of a doctor who specializes in head trauma. Shows that Patrick exhibits the classic fencing response (rigid limbs) which occurs during a brain injury. The issue isn't the contact with the ground, it's the sudden de-acceleration which causes the brain to hit the inside of the skull. It doesn't look like much however the video shows how his head is pulled down violently and then stops suddenly.

I really want him to be okay however if it would affect his health, he should not play.

Remember what it was like at 25... 50feet tall and bulletproof. Plus these athletes have been trusting their coaches their entire lives.

[Megatron96]

Watched a video of a doctor who specializes in head trauma. Shows that Patrick exhibits the classic fencing response (rigid limbs) which occurs during a brain injury. The issue isn't the contact with the ground, it's the sudden de-acceleration which causes the brain to hit the inside of the skull. It doesn't look like much however the video shows how his head is pulled down violently and then stops suddenly.

I really want him to be okay however if it would affect his health, he should not play.

Remember what it was like at 25... 50feet tall and bulletproof. Plus these athletes have been trusting their coaches their entire lives.

You know that they have actual doctors on the field, right? That the team employs the best doctors they can find to care for the players?

[Marcellus]

Watched a video of a doctor who specializes in head trauma. Shows that Patrick exhibits the classic fencing response (rigid limbs) which occurs during a brain injury.


Just like this?

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-96df8b932a4dd99f4289c7245f9e568a

[crayzkirk]

Just like this?

Just posting my opinion from a source that sounds rational. I'm not a doctor. I don't want it to be true, I want Patrick to be healthy and play.

[Marcellus]

Just posting my opinion from a source that sounds rational. I'm not a doctor. I don't want it to be true, I want Patrick to be healthy and play.

I was just pointing out the same thing happens with the carotid shock thing.

[crayzkirk]

I was just pointing out the same thing happens with the carotid shock thing.

Yeah, I saw that. I watched the video again and the individual also went into a detailed description of Dirty Dan and targeting. I think there might be a bit of bias showing through as well.

[eDave]

Just posting my opinion from a source that sounds rational. I'm not a doctor. I don't want it to be true, I want Patrick to be healthy and play.

No FUD, please.

[New World Order]

If he was healthy, yes.

If he already has a hurt toe, no.

[Imon Yourside]

yeah, we've run it a million times.

You can't play scared.

It was a freak thing.

Yes once you start playing scared, then them injuries happen.

[J Diddy]

Why have Sherman on the roster if we never run behind the fullback? I know this isn't 1995, but still.

I agree that it's baffling.

[ChiefsFanatic]

You know that they have actual doctors on the field, right? That the team employs the best doctors they can find to care for the players?I lost consciousness by having my neck compressed in the exact same way that Mahomes' neck was compressed. It does disoriented you, but the "fencing response" BS also happens when you lose consciousness without a concussion.

I am not saying that Mahomes isn't technically concussed, but I believe that it would be secondary to a possible neck injury as far as keeping him off the field next Sunday.

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[Megatron96]

I lost consciousness by having my neck compressed in the exact same way that Mahomes' neck was compressed. It does disoriented you, but the "fencing response" BS also happens when you lose consciousness without a concussion.

I am not saying that Mahomes isn't technically concussed, but I believe that it would be secondary to a possible neck injury as far as keeping him off the field next Sunday.

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He could have some kind of neck injury; there was a lot of torque involved in that incident. But he wasn't concussed. Literally didn't hit his head on anything hard enough, and his head didn't even accelerate/decelerate fast enough to induce one. Whether it was the defender's forearm or the lower edge of Mahomes' helmet, something compressed the side of his neck hard enough to hit the "bingo" button, and the lights went out for a couple seconds.