Deshaun Watson requests trade

[Trent Green GOAT]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/135480509094774374

[joethomas]

In just 1 year a seemingly up and coming franchise becomes a bottom feeder.

[-King-]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Deshaun Watson officially has requested a trade from the Houston Texans, per league sources. He actually did it weeks ago. Their new head-coaching hire, David Culley, has not and will not alter Watson’s thinking.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1354804995191840774?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[morphius]

Not unexpected...

[kysirsoze]

Trade to NFC plz.

[Sofa King]

Heading to NFC soon I hope. Hopefully to WFT so he can dominate that division and they'll stop talking about the goddamn Cowboys every year.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I hope they send him to the NFC. Badly.

[kysirsoze]

Probably trade him to the fucking Patriots cause goddammit.

[FloridaMan88]

Considering how stupid the Texans are, watch them trade Watson to the Colts within their own division.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

The dude seems locked in on getting out of there. They might call his bluff but do you really wanna keep a guy around who wants to leave that bad?

They should get 4+ first rounders at minimum IMO. Which at that point, the team trading for him may be handicapping themselves a bit too much to build a consistent top 5 team.

[Hoover]

He's a great player, and what a shit show the Texans have become.

Less than two years ago they make a slew of "win now" trades, and in the process destroy the team. I mean if they had just kept Hopkins they are a contender every year. Stunning.

[Mecca]

49ers

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Even a team like the Raiders would have to be involved. Could include Carr in the trade. Yuck.

There’s 20+ teams who will seriously have to make offers.

[FloridaMan88]

I think the Dolphins would make the most sense... they already have the "culture" and the foundation of a potential winning team in place.

Also they have the draft capital and Tua as trade assets.

[thabear04]

Probably trade him to the ****ing Patriots cause goddammit.

Watson has a no-trade clause in his $156 million contract, allowing him to essentially choose his destination.

[CoMoChief]

Just dont go to the Broncos or Raiders.

I like seeing those scum franchises suck ass.

[Hoover]

He's a steal for the team trading for him IMO, I just don't know how they can actually afford to trade him.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I think the Dolphins would make the most sense... they already have the "culture" and the foundation of a potential winning team in place.

Also they have the draft capital and Tua as trade assets.

Would make Miami a top 2-3 AFC team.

[stevieray]

LMAO

Not worried about this guy.

[kysirsoze]

Watson has a no-trade clause in his $156 million contract, allowing him to essentially choose his destination.

I don't see how that eliminated the Patriots. They were down this year but he would probably love to play for one of the most competent organizations in the league. The Patriots are one of the only places he could go that I would legitimately see him as a threat. That said, I would hope Houston wouldn't be stupid enough to deal with the Patriots, but it seems like there is no end to their stupidity.

[KChiefs1]

Jets have the only draft capital to make this trade.

2 - first rounders in 2021
2 - first rounders in 2022

[MahomesMagic]

Please not to Miami.

Anywhere else is fine.

[chiefzilla1501]

Think we all know if anywhere, he's going to the Jets. He wants it, they have the trade capital and desire to trade big, out of division.

[Mecca]

Supposedly he said that Jets rumor is false.

[chiefzilla1501]

Please not to Miami.

Anywhere else is fine.

After this shit show id have to think it's not high on his list. He's even said he picks NYJ over Miami. I think he wants nothing to do with the patriot way bullshit.

[Marco Polo]

I'm fine with the Jets. Just keep him out of the AFC West.

[oldman]

How much money and draft capital does Atlanta have? They'd have to get rid of Ryan some way, so maybe a QB swap could work while the Texans look for a QBotF.

[-King-]

After this shit show id have to think it's not high on his list. He's even said he picks NYJ over Miami. I think he wants nothing to do with the patriot way bullshit.

The NYJ shit was false. And Flores coaches far from the Patriot way despite coming up with them

[loochy]

Dumbfuck Texans. Do they know how long it'll be before they can draft another QB as good as what they have? The incompetence is staggering

[CoMoChief]

Saints would be wise to trade the farm for Watson with Brees most likely leaving.

Winston and Hill aren't going to amount to shit.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Saints would be wise to trade the farm for Watson with Brees most likely leaving.

Winston and Hill aren't going to amount to shit.

They don’t have the cap room to do it. WAY in the red.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Miami has the #3 pick. That is a huge bargaining chip and I fear he will end up there, making for a juggernaut.

[Mecca]

So the Texans are privately saying they aren't trading him, this is gonna so well.

[Gravedigger]

Given the type of Quarterback that he's been recently taking in the draft, I would think Matt LaFleur would take a shot at him for sure. This is a joke of course... but kinda not.

[oldman]

Jets have the only draft capital to make this trade.

2 - first rounders in 2021
2 - first rounders in 2022

This might make sense if you throw in Darnold and 1 1st rounder in each year.

[thabear04]

I don't see how that eliminated the Patriots. They were down this year but he would probably love to play for one of the most competent organizations in the league. The Patriots are one of the only places he could go that I would legitimately see him as a threat. That said, I would hope Houston wouldn't be stupid enough to deal with the Patriots, but it seems like there is no end to their stupidity.

Unless the rumors are true that he wants to play for New York Jets.

[Shields68]

Watson has a no-trade clause in his $156 million contract, allowing him to essentially choose his destination.

On the other hand Houston has a long term deal. Could just ruin his career. Let him sit if he does not agree to the best offer. No way can they give him away. It also sets a bad president if you do not get market value.

If I am Houston, either a team ponies up with a top 3-4 pick in the draft, and a bunch of future picks or we keep him. This is not the NBA.

[Mecca]

This might make sense if you throw in Darnold and 1 1st rounder in each year.

You're talking 3 1s and other things Jamal Adams went for 2 1s a 3 and Bradley Mcdougal, so the Watson return has to be quite a bit higher.

[thabear04]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">17 trade proposals for Deshaun Watson, ranked from least to most likely ��<br><br>Check out the full list here (ESPN+) ➡️ <a href="https://t.co/fgwtgN78bf">https://t.co/fgwtgN78bf</a> <a href="https://t.co/sfJ32oyn4V">pic.twitter.com/sfJ32oyn4V</a></p>&mdash; NFL on ESPN (@ESPNNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNNFL/status/1354807401816330248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mecca]

On the other hand Houston has a long term deal. Could just ruin his career. Let him sit if he does not agree to the best offer. No way can they give him away. It also sets a bad president if you do not get market value.

If I am Houston, either a team ponies up with a top 3-4 pick in the draft, and a bunch of future picks or we keep him. This is not the NBA.

It's becoming the NBA, the players are realizing they have power.

[Bob Dole]

On the other hand Houston has a long term deal. Could just ruin his career. Let him sit if he does not agree to the best offer. No way can they give him away. It also sets a bad president if you do not get market value.

If I am Houston, either a team ponies up with a top 3-4 pick in the draft, and a bunch of future picks or we keep him. This is not the NBA.

Marcus Allen his ass.

[penguinz]

It is funny that people are worried where he ends up. He is not a top 5 QB.

[kysirsoze]

So the Texans are privately saying they aren't trading him, this is gonna so well.

I bet this happens. What a shit franchise.

[Red Dawg]

Lol. Their owner is a dumpster fire. I am surprised more QBs don't do this. They have power. McNair thinks of them as just cattle and he's the ranch owner. He is about to find out thats really not the case. Nobody will want to go there when a guy like Watson wants out.

[Mecca]

I bet this happens. What a shit franchise.

All that'll do is ruin them in free agency, holding a dude hostage isn't a good look.

[Hoover]

Dolphins have cap space, #3 and #18 picks this year, they also have two picks the second round. And they could send Tua as part of the deal.

Miami would be scary with Watson, but if he's going to the AFC east I'm fine with it.

[Red Dawg]

So the Texans are privately saying they aren't trading him, this is gonna so well.

If he sticks to his guns it will happen. Texans may as well do it and get it over with. They can get a big haul.

[Red Dawg]

If Patrick wanted to pick the next HC would Clark let him? He certainly would not hire an HC Mahomes doesn't want.

[Gravedigger]

I know there are Bill O'Briens out there that would give three first rounders for Deshaun Watson, but no intelligent GM would give that, I could see 2 firsts and a second but the Texans will likely have to lower their expectations a tad.

[Mr. Plow]

Think we all know if anywhere, he's going to the Jets. He wants it, they have the trade capital and desire to trade big, out of division.

Sorry, bumped the down vote on this accidentally.

[chiefzilla1501]

The NYJ shit was false. And Flores coaches far from the Patriot way despite coming up with them

The Miami GM, defensive coordinator, ex defensive coordinator all come from the Patriots. He may be less like the tree but I would not trust that given the shit show he just went through.

[chiefzilla1501]

If Patrick wanted to pick the next HC would Clark let him? He certainly would not hire an HC Mahomes doesn't want.

All the Texans had to do was interview him, then claim they found someone they liked better. That they didn't offer even a courtesy interview speaks volumes about Easterby and is exactly the reason Watson should leave asap no matter how much they try to convince him to stay.

[-King-]

The Miami GM, defensive coordinator, ex defensive coordinator all come from the Patriots. He may be less like the tree but I would not trust that given the shit show he just went through.

Last time the GM was with the Patriots was in 1999. Before the "Patriots Way"

[Shields68]

It's becoming the NBA, the players are realizing they have power.

Depends on the contract. Some of the contracts with huge signing bonuses become impossible to trade given the cap hit the trading team would incur. So a team just can not trade the guy. Some of those contracts are way too high so no one is going to want them.

Deshaun is sort of a exception then the rule. Not much a signing bonus.

Further the thing the NBA has is max contracts and no cap hit to the trading team. So a team can easily decide if the player is worth a max contract or not. Further a lot of those contracts are short periods and at the end of those contracts they can walk. So a guy with 1-2 years left tells team trade me now or you get nothing. That is compelling.

If the guy is in the NFL you can look at him and say nah we will just franchise you for a couple more years.

What is Deshaun's options for not getting traded? Not report? OK. Report and not try? MMM unlike the NBA good chance you get hurt if not by the other team, your own team.

[GingaChief]

Trade to NFC plz.

Hopefully. Though if not better not be the patriots! :mad:

[-King-]

I know there are Bill O'Briens out there that would give three first rounders for Deshaun Watson, but no intelligent GM would give that, I could see 2 firsts and a second but the Texans will likely have to lower their expectations a tad.

You're nuts if you don't think it's going to take at the very least 3 first round picks to trade for one of the best QBs in the league.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Miami has the #3 pick. That is a huge bargaining chip and I fear he will end up there, making for a juggernaut.

We are the juggernaut....bitches

[pugsnotdrugs19]

We are the juggernaut....bitches

OK?

That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t want easier paths to Super Bowls. Right now, Houston with Watson is not a threat. If he goes to Miami, they are.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Miami has the #3 pick. That is a huge bargaining chip and I fear he will end up there, making for a juggernaut.

LOL.


K.

[wazu]

I'm rooting for the Texans to refuse to trade him and force him to be a Texan or retire. Love a good standoff.

[Shields68]

You're nuts if you don't think it's going to take at the very least 3 first round picks to trade for one of the best QBs in the league.

A lot depends on how high the 2021 first rounder is. i may be tempted to trade him for the number 1 overall pick without getting another one but that might be it.

We know that it would take at least three ones to move from the end of the draft to the top, 2 ones and something else most years to move from 4th to 1 (sometimes more)....As long a the 1 pick is a team that does not want a QB.

[Sassy Squatch]

LMAO Easterby won't ever be able to walk the streets of Houston safely.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

OK?

That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t want easier paths to Super Bowls. Right now, Houston with Watson is not a threat. If he goes to Miami, they are.

A year ago, they were a contender.

Hindsight...

[Mecca]

I know there are Bill O'Briens out there that would give three first rounders for Deshaun Watson, but no intelligent GM would give that, I could see 2 firsts and a second but the Texans will likely have to lower their expectations a tad.

He's the most valuable thing in team sports, a young franchise player at the most important position. If you get the same return Jamal Adams got, you fucked up.

[scho63]

"Hot to Destroy an NFL Franchise in 3 Quick Steps" --- Author Bill O'Brien

Worked great

[Hoover]

As long as Mahomes is upright I'm confident with this team.

[Chief Northman]

Cry baby bitch. Don’t sign the extension.

[The Franchise]

Go get him, Washington.

[chiefzilla1501]

Last time the GM was with the Patriots was in 1999. Before the "Patriots Way"

OK, that's fair.

[Mecca]

Cry baby bitch. Don’t sign the extension.

To be fair a lot happened after he signed that.

[Shields68]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here&#39;s Houston&#39;s leverage, if used:<br><br>*Can fine Deshaun Watson $95,877 for missing minicamp.<br><br>*Can fine him $50,000 per day for each day of training camp missed, plus one week salary -- $620,000 -- for each preseason game missed.<br><br>*If he retires, Texans can collect $21.6 million.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1354817779333963788?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[wazu]

C'mon Texans! DO EEEEET!!!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here&#39;s Houston&#39;s leverage, if used:<br><br>*Can fine Deshaun Watson $95,877 for missing minicamp.<br><br>*Can fine him $50,000 per day for each day of training camp missed, plus one week salary -- $620,000 -- for each preseason game missed.<br><br>*If he retires, Texans can collect $21.6 million.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1354817779333963788?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 28, 2021</a></blockquote>
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[The Franchise]

His cap hit would be $10.5 million in 2021. Fuck that’s cheap.

[Pablo]

LMAO Easterby won't ever be able to walk the streets of Houston safely.

They'll have an extra prayer session for his safety and all will be well.

[The Franchise]

Couldn’t have happened to a better city BTW. Fuck Houston. Fuck the Astros. Fuck the Texans.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I don't see how any one can be afraid of a damn Watson led team as long as KC has Mahomes, Reek, and Kelce.

[joethomas]

Of course the Texans are going to SAY they aren't trading him. They aren't going to close off any of their options. They will be trying to repair the relationship via the new HC. But if as Shefter reported Watson's anger with the Texans is a 10 out of 10 then it's hard to see how that gets fixed. If Watson is willing to sit out the season and give up however much money that would cost him, then a trade will probably get done. Is he that committed?

[Sassy Squatch]

Watson is just going to have phantom injuries to keep his money.

[Pablo]

This creep's photo should be posted in every thread about Houston and their failures:

https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_editorial_landscape_8_desktop_mobile/f_auto/texans/dkzqciyxmt2fmk0dubap.jpg

[joethomas]

I didn't know Gru worked for the Texans

[FloridaMan88]

Go get him, Washington.

That would be the "easiest" path to get to the Super Bowl IMO.

Obviously get out of the AFC and avoid Mahomes is the first step, and then go to a team that plays in a weak division, on a team that already has a defense/some parts on offense in place and will be in an NFC in transition next season depending on what happens with Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, etc.

[FlaChief58]

I'm thinking it'll either be the 49ers or Miami

[The Franchise]

You want a Blockbuster deal that a certain team would be dumb not to try and do?

Flip a 1st round pick, Lamar Jackson and Marcus Peters to the Texans for Watson.

[Mecca]

You want a Blockbuster deal that a certain team would be dumb not to try and do?

Flip a 1st round pick, Lamar Jackson and Marcus Peters to the Texans for Watson.

That's a shitty trade for Houston.

[Hydrae]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here&#39;s Houston&#39;s leverage, if used:<br><br>*Can fine Deshaun Watson $95,877 for missing minicamp.<br><br>*Can fine him $50,000 per day for each day of training camp missed, plus one week salary -- $620,000 -- for each preseason game missed.<br><br>*If he retires, Texans can collect $21.6 million.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1354817779333963788?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

A couple of things to keep in mind:

1. No trade clause - Deshaun can basically pick where he is willing to go
2. He has the same agent as Jalen Ramsey when he wanted out of Jacksonville. If he wants out, he is getting out of Houston

I think it is funny that the team with the most draft capital is the Dolphins. If that trade were to happen half of the picks would just be a return of picks that BoB used to get Tunsil and Stills. ROFL

[The Franchise]

That's a shitty trade for Houston.

Throw in another first round pick then. It gives them a RB who will sell tickets and a malcontent CB who would yell at the fans.

[Mecca]

A couple of things to keep in mind:

1. No trade clause - Deshaun can basically pick where he is willing to go
2. He has the same agent as Jalen Ramsey when he wanted out of Jacksonville. If he wants out, he is getting out of Houston

I think it is funny that the team with the most draft capitol is the Dolphins. If that trade were to happen half of the picks would just be a return of picks that BoB used to get Tunsil and Stills. ROFL

You probably should trade him out of conference if at all possible.

[Mecca]

Throw in another first round pick then. It gives them a RB who will sell tickets and a malcontent CB who would yell at the fans.

If those guys aren't hardcore christians, I don't see it.

[The Franchise]

You probably should trade him out of conference if at all possible.

I don’t see anyone in the NFC that has the capitol to give up for him.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Watson is just going to have phantom injuries to keep his money.

That’s a good point.

[Mecca]

I don’t see anyone in the NFC that has the capitol to give up for him.

I think the 49ers are the best option for him.

[Sassy Squatch]

Watson also has a bit of say where he goes.

[Chris Meck]

This creep's photo should be posted in every thread about Houston and their failures:

https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_editorial_landscape_8_desktop_mobile/f_auto/texans/dkzqciyxmt2fmk0dubap.jpg

Wormtongue.

[O.city]

I'm guessing it's the Jets or Miami. No one else has the capitol they do.

[joethomas]

Miami or Detroit could offer a downgrade QB + picks.

[The Franchise]

I think the 49ers are the best option for him.

Are they going to be willing to give up one of their defensive stars?

[Chris Meck]

The Jets could send two #1's and Darnold without really screwing themselves in their rebuild.

Just saying.

[Mecca]

The Jets could send two #1's and Darnold without really screwing themselves in their rebuild.

Just saying.

It starts at 3 1s unless you're gonna move a top end player.

[The Franchise]

The Jets could send two #1's and Darnold without really screwing themselves in their rebuild.

Just saying.

Yep. My best guess would be the Jets or Dolphins. If it’s an NFC team then I could see the Panthers or WFT. But those two teams would have to give up more in players.

[joethomas]

Do the Jaguars like Lawrence more than Watson?

[The Franchise]

Whichever team trades for him....these are his cap hits for the rest of his contract.

$10.5 million
$35 million
$37 million
$32 million
$32 million

[The Franchise]

Do the Jaguars like Lawrence more than Watson?

The Texans aren’t trading him in the division.

[Marcellus]

The dude seems locked in on getting out of there. They might call his bluff but do you really wanna keep a guy around who wants to leave that bad?

They should get 4+ first rounders at minimum IMO. Which at that point, the team trading for him may be handicapping themselves a bit too much to build a consistent top 5 team.



Aint nobody doing that.

[Deberg_1990]

Watson to the Broncos!

[Mecca]

The Jets are the only AFC team I'd consider, I'm not giving him to a team that's ready to contend.

[Chris Meck]

The Texans aren’t trading him in the division.

when you're that bereft of talent, does that matter?

[Mecca]

Aint nobody doing that.

When a box safety nets 2 1's a 3 and a player...it makes you wonder but it also makes me baffled at anyone thinking it's just 2 1's.

[Kman34]

This creep's photo should be posted in every thread about Houston and their failures:

https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_editorial_landscape_8_desktop_mobile/f_auto/texans/dkzqciyxmt2fmk0dubap.jpg

It’s a white Alien...

[wazu]

The Jets are the only AFC team I'd consider, I'm not giving him to a team that's ready to contend.

Jags are only team I'd consider because that brings Trevor Lawrence. If they're not interested, or Deshaun says he's too good for them, it's scorched earth time.

[The Franchise]

when you're that bereft of talent, does that matter?

You really want to play the young QB you just traded away twice a year?

Plus I don’t see the Jags wanting to give up more for Watson when they can stay put and draft Lawrence.

[Mecca]

Jags are only team I'd consider because that brings Trevor Lawrence. If they're not interested, or Deshaun says he's too good for them, it's scorched earth time.

I don't think Jacksonville takes that deal, I wouldn't.

[Sassy Squatch]

Well, Watson might be looking for more money, especially if he holds out into the regular season and we're potentially talking voided signing bonus. This really comes down to how stubborn the Texans want to be and how much leverage they're going to lose before trading him.

[KChiefs1]

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[Mecca]

This would all make for a really interesting 30 for 30 but so would the Scott Pioli era of the Chiefs and it didn't get one.

[Deberg_1990]

Watson for Aaron Rodgers?

[wazu]

I don't think Jacksonville takes that deal, I wouldn't.

Watson for their 1st, straight up. I wouldn't take it if I were them because I want that rookie QB contract. But Watson is a proven NFL commodity so you never know.

[Marcellus]

When a box safety nets 2 1's a 3 and a player...it makes you wonder but it also makes me baffled at anyone thinking it's just 2 1's.

Because someone paid too much for a safety once doesn't mean it doubles the market for a QB. You would literally be killing your team for years to come to get a QB that's not worth that kind of capital on top of the contract $.


Any GM doing this would almost certainly be setting himself up to fail. 4 #1's AND the top $ contract is waaaaay too much.

[Mecca]

Because someone paid too much for a safety once doesn't mean it doubles the market for a QB. You would literally be killing your team for years to come to get a QB that's not worth that kind of capital on top of the contract $.


Any GM doing this would almost certainly be setting himself up to fail.

He's the most valuable commodity in sports, you have to act like it in a trade.

[staylor26]

I don’t think the Texans will trade him unless it gets very ugly. Doesn’t sound like they plan on it either.

[Lzen]

The dude seems locked in on getting out of there. They might call his bluff but do you really wanna keep a guy around who wants to leave that bad?

They should get 4+ first rounders at minimum IMO. Which at that point, the team trading for him may be handicapping themselves a bit too much to build a consistent top 5 team.
Lol. Nobody is getting four first rounders.

[The Franchise]

I don’t think the Texans will trade him unless it gets very ugly. Doesn’t sound like they plan on it either.

Excellent.

This is going to be fun to watch.

I can’t wait to see them draft a project QB in the 2nd round to piss him off more.

[ForeverIowan]

I could see the Panthers make a heavy push. Watson + McCaffrey...damn!

[Sassy Squatch]

I don’t think the Texans will trade him unless it gets very ugly. Doesn’t sound like they plan on it either.
The Texans PR can't get much lower. I'd like to see them try.

[Marcellus]

He's the most valuable commodity in sports, you have to act like it in a trade.

I suppose Miami could be the exception since they have so many picks but wouldn't that be hilarious they trade Tunsil to Houston for picks that the trade back to get Watson for? Basically traded a LT for Watson and a 1st?

[Megatron96]

I don’t think the Texans will trade him unless it gets very ugly. Doesn’t sound like they plan on it either.

It’s going to get pretty ugly.

[Mecca]

When the dude is saying his anger is a 10 out of 10 and they hire a coach and his response is to request a trade the next day...there isn't any fixing this. He thinks the organization is run by morons.

[Chris Meck]

When the dude is saying his anger is a 10 out of 10 and they hire a coach and his response is to request a trade the next day...there isn't any fixing this. He thinks the organization is run by morons.

He's right.

[Marcellus]

When the dude is saying his anger is a 10 out of 10 and they hire a coach and his response is to request a trade the next day...there isn't any fixing this. He thinks the organization is run by morons.

Sure wasn't feeling that way when he signed his big contract though was he?

[Sassy Squatch]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here&#39;s what a well-connected league source told me late last week about Jack Easterby/Texans:<br><br>“The guys I trust, including a guy big in Houston, he wants to kill him. He goes ‘this guy is a f***ing idiot. He’s got the owner’s ear and he’s going to ruin the whole organization.’”</p>&mdash; Matt Verderame (@MattVerderame) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattVerderame/status/1354820776675876865?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[MahomesMagic]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here&#39;s what a well-connected league source told me late last week about Jack Easterby/Texans:<br><br>“The guys I trust, including a guy big in Houston, he wants to kill him. He goes ‘this guy is a f***ing idiot. He’s got the owner’s ear and he’s going to ruin the whole organization.’”</p>&mdash; Matt Verderame (@MattVerderame) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattVerderame/status/1354820776675876865?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It is God's Will.


ROFL

[wazu]

Sure wasn't feeling that way when he signed his big contract though was he?

Nope. BOB was a coaching and GMing genius. Can't stay around without him.

[The Franchise]

Sure wasn't feeling that way when he signed his big contract though was he?

This is such a garbage stance.

Let’s say Mahomes signs his deal and then a year later Veach and Reid decide to retire or Hunt wants to move in a different direction and fires them. Hunt goes on to hire a guy who’s not qualified....and then hires a worthless coach.

Would you say the same shit if Mahomes had had enough and demanded a trade?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

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They....actually.... pay for him to answer questions? ROFL That is really pathetic

[Mecca]

Sure wasn't feeling that way when he signed his big contract though was he?

The organization wasn't scientology part deux when he signed that deal.

[Mecca]

They....actually.... pay for him to answer questions? ROFL That is really pathetic

Lots of youtubers do this, it isn't just him.

[wazu]

The organization wasn't scientology part deux when he signed that deal.

The entire league has been watching that team in horror for the past 2 years.

[The Franchise]

And no I’m not saying the Bill O’Brien was Andy Reid but it was pretty well known that BOB was on his way out.

[Mecca]

Nope. BOB was a coaching and GMing genius. Can't stay around without him.

Bob did lots of dumb shit, he wasn't trying to turn the team into a religious sect though.

[wazu]

This is such a garbage stance.

Let’s say Mahomes signs his deal and then a year later Veach and Reid decide to retire or Hunt wants to move in a different direction and fires them. Hunt goes on to hire a guy who’s not qualified....and then hires a worthless coach.

Would you say the same shit if Mahomes had had enough and demanded a trade?

They didn't fire Reid/Veach. They fired Bill O'Brien. The new GM and coach may end up sucking but they aren't unqualified.

[joethomas]

Packers send disgruntled Rodgers plus picks to Houston for Watson

[Sassy Squatch]

If Cal fires Easterby would Watson rescind this request?

[The Franchise]

They didn't fire Reid/Veach. They fired Bill O'Brien. The new GM and coach may end up sucking but they aren't unqualified.

More Patriot away garbage and a Yes man at HC who just wanted the ability to be a HC. Yeah, pretty sure they’re going to suck.

[The Franchise]

If Cal fires Easterby would Watson rescind this request?

Nope. There was a report that his problem is with Cal and he isn’t staying unless Cal is gone.

[Coochie liquor]

You want a Blockbuster deal that a certain team would be dumb not to try and do?

Flip a 1st round pick, Lamar Jackson and Marcus Peters to the Texans for Watson.

Houston get Roman with LJ?

[wazu]

More Patriot away garbage and a Yes man at HC who just wanted the ability to be a HC. Yeah, pretty sure they’re going to suck.

There's no way the GM can possibly fail harder than BOB. Coaching could be worse but it's actually possible that it will be better as well.

[The Franchise]

There's no way the GM can possibly fail harder than BOB. Coaching could be worse but it's actually possible that it will be better as well.

We’re about to find out.

[joethomas]

I guess for houston sending him to Miami and getting Tua back you could at least kind of sell to the fan base. Your team isn't without a QB now, you say you think Tua can be just as good, and he brings a bunch of draft picks with him to build the team up around him. And hey, we never thought this would happen but in the end Watson didn't want to be a Texan so we're going to go forward with guys who want to be here.

I mean, it's a fig leaf at least and doesn't leave your team back totally at square one

[Mecca]

They didn't fire Reid/Veach. They fired Bill O'Brien. The new GM and coach may end up sucking but they aren't unqualified.

They are listening to an unqualified stooge on all of their moves.

[Deberg_1990]

Whoevers the strongest Christian QB is who Houston will target.

[Sassy Squatch]

I guess for houston sending him to Miami and getting Tua back you could at least kind of sell to the fan base. Your team isn't without a QB now, you say you think Tua can be just as good, and he brings a bunch of draft picks with him to build the team up around him. And hey, we never thought this would happen but in the end Watson didn't want to be a Texan so we're going to go forward with guys who want to be here.

I mean, it's a fig leaf at least and doesn't leave your team back totally at square one
There is absolutely nothing the organization can sell to the fans now outside of Cal selling the team or firing Easterby.

[Mecca]

Whoevers the strongest Christian QB is who Houston will target.

So trade with the Jets then cause Zach Wilson is at BYU...

[The Franchise]

Anybody from the Texans we want to trade for?

[Mecca]

Anybody from the Texans we want to trade for?

I'd take Watt if he'd play for less money to win something at this stage of his career.

[Sassy Squatch]

Anybody from the Texans we want to trade for?
Watt if he'd restructure

[The Franchise]

I'd take Watt if he'd play for less money to win something at this stage of his career.

Next year is the last year of his deal and his base salary is $17.5 million. He’d have to come WAY down off of that.

[The Franchise]

I’d take Omenihu off their team too.

[joethomas]

Mormons don't count

And no there is nothing they can do to sell this to the fan base except that Watson put them in this position and it's his fault, but we made a great trade and we think we're going to be stronger than ever.

[ModSocks]

Anybody from the Texans we want to trade for?

Watson would make a helluva back up QB....we could probably flip him for some picks too!

[UK_Chief]

We do need a solid back up to mahomes...

[KC_Lee]

Anyone else get a sick feeling in their gut that Watson ends up in New England 'cause "Patriot Way"?

[The Franchise]

Anyone else get a sick feeling in their gut that Watson ends up in New England 'cause "Patriot Way"?

They aren’t trading Watson to NE. They don’t have anything of value to give up.

[joethomas]

Doesn't it seem like Watson would rather not be associated with the patriot way, hmm?

[Sassy Squatch]

For some reason Easterby blames Kraft for all this drama surrounding him. I doubt they'd trade him to the Patriots.

[joethomas]

If I am Watson I want to go to Miami. Already a playoff team and you immediately elevate them to maybe-contenders. No waiting around through a rebuild. He probably looks at them and thinks he could be in the Bowl next year

[Deberg_1990]

If I am Watson I want to go to Miami. Already a playoff team and you immediately elevate them to maybe-contenders. No waiting around through a rebuild. He probably looks at them and thinks he could be in the Bowl next year

The Washington Football club would be amazing with Watson. But I guess a lot of teams would.

[DaneMcCloud]

There's no way the GM can possibly fail harder than BOB.

LMAO

NFL history is absolutely littered with trash GM's.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

So, I've read through the first couple pages of this thread and keep seeing 'don't trade to Donkos or Faiders'.

So why exactly don't we want him in the AFC West? Is anyone afraid of him? Does anyone think he's actually better than Mahomes??

He's already got a contract averaging about $40 mil. a year, and would cost MULTIPLE first round picks (3 or 4) and probably either additional draft capital or a combo of some young talent.

If Donks or Faid want to tie up that much of their cap in him and forfeit multiple high draft picks, then I'm all for it. I'd rather them do that than draft an elite young QB for cheap (if somehow they managed to back into one accidently).

Does anyone think the Faid or Donks are BETTER than KC with Watson at QB?

Besides, it makes the division more competitive as well (at least from a QB standpoint) and helps legitimize Mahomes even more for legacy purposes, as he would have to compete with Watson and Herbert twice a year, as opposed to the garbage that Brady went up against all those years in the AFC East.

It may make one of them better in the short term if they acquired him, but I think long term it would hurt them more because the bottom line is Watson is NOT better than Mahomes. He never will be. And he'll likely never have the ideal situation that Mahomes has no matter what they do out in Donko land or on the Strip.

I say 'bring em on' to the AFC West, if that's what he wants and one of those teams is willing to pay the ultimate price for him.

It'll make the Herschel Walker trade look like a pleasant memory for the Vikings.

[The Franchise]

If I’m the Dolphins....I offer up #3 this year, #36 this year, a 2022 first round pick, a 2022 second round pick and Tua.

[Mecca]

So, I've read through the first couple pages of this thread and keep seeing 'don't trade to Donkos or Faiders'.

So why exactly don't we want him in the AFC West? Is anyone afraid of him? Does anyone think he's actually better than Mahomes??

He's already got a contract averaging about $40 mil. a year, and would cost MULTIPLE first round picks (3 or 4) and probably either additional draft capital or a combo of some young talent.

If Donks or Faid want to tie up that much of their cap in him and forfeit multiple high draft picks, then I'm all for it. I'd rather them do that than draft an elite young QB for cheap (if somehow they managed to back into one accidently).

Does anyone think the Faid or Donks are BETTER than KC with Watson at QB?

Besides, it makes the division more competitive as well (at least from a QB standpoint) and helps legitimize Mahomes even more for legacy purposes, as he would have to compete with Watson and Herbert twice a year, as opposed to the garbage that Brady went up against all those years in the AFC East.

It may make one of them better in the short term if they acquired him, but I think long term it would hurt them more because the bottom line is Watson is NOT better than Mahomes. He never will be. And he'll likely never have the ideal situation that Mahomes has no matter what they do out in Donko land or on the Strip.

I say 'bring em on' to the AFC West, if that's what he wants and one of those teams is willing to pay the ultimate price for him.

It'll make the Herschel Walker trade look like a pleasant memory for the Vikings.

Because to be honest, not having another top of the line QB in the division makes a path to the SB easier, a huge reason Brady won so much is his trash division.

[The Franchise]

So, I've read through the first couple pages of this thread and keep seeing 'don't trade to Donkos or Faiders'.

So why exactly don't we want him in the AFC West? Is anyone afraid of him? Does anyone think he's actually better than Mahomes??

He's already got a contract averaging about $40 mil. a year, and would cost MULTIPLE first round picks (3 or 4) and probably either additional draft capital or a combo of some young talent.

If Donks or Faid want to tie up that much of their cap in him and forfeit multiple high draft picks, then I'm all for it. I'd rather them do that than draft an elite young QB for cheap (if somehow they managed to back into one accidently).

Does anyone think the Faid or Donks are BETTER than KC with Watson at QB?

Besides, it makes the division more competitive as well (at least from a QB standpoint) and helps legitimize Mahomes even more for legacy purposes, as he would have to compete with Watson and Herbert twice a year, as opposed to the garbage that Brady went up against all those years in the AFC East.

It may make one of them better in the short term if they acquired him, but I think long term it would hurt them more because the bottom line is Watson is NOT better than Mahomes. He never will be. And he'll likely never have the ideal situation that Mahomes has no matter what they do out in Donko land or on the Strip.

I say 'bring em on' to the AFC West, if that's what he wants and one of those teams is willing to pay the ultimate price for him.

It'll make the Herschel Walker trade look like a pleasant memory for the Vikings.

After a trade, his contract isn’t that bad

[KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN]

You're nuts if you don't think it's going to take at the very least 3 first round picks to trade for one of the best QBs in the league.

They already traded a top receiver for a second round pick, they're not exactly making Einstein decisions. :shake:

[Mecca]

They already traded a top receiver for a second round pick, they're not exactly making Einstein decisions. :shake:

Well the guy that made that trade is gone though.

[mkp785]

49ers

Bosa + 2 firsts?

They have a ton of talent at the skill positions and would still have a decent defense-even without Bosa.

[The Franchise]

Bosa + 2 firsts?

They have a ton of talent at the skill positions and would still have a decent defense-even without Bosa.

They would be stupid to give up Bosa. They could keep him and trade for Stafford.

[Mecca]

Bosa + 2 firsts?

They have a ton of talent at the skill positions and would still have a decent defense-even without Bosa.

I wouldn't move Bosa, I'd offer 3 ones before that.

[Pitt Gorilla]

If I’m the Dolphins....I offer up #3 this year, #36 this year, a 2022 first round pick, a 2022 second round pick and Tua.

I get it, but I don't know. That's a ton. #3 is an impact player. Is Watson worth more than Tua and Smith? Maybe. You'd have to be convinced that Tua isn't going to develop.

[Pitt Gorilla]

I wouldn't move Bosa, I'd offer 3 ones before that.

Man, I wouldn't either. He's one of the few in the NFL I wouldn't trade.

[ModSocks]

Well the guy that made that trade is gone though.

Im not so sure he was the driving force though. That may have been Easterby's doing.

[ModSocks]

49ers will get either Watson or Stafford, no doubt in my mind. That's a team that can afford to trade draft assets for one of these guys as the roster doesn't need the draft capital to rebuild.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Because to be honest, not having another top of the line QB in the division makes a path to the SB easier, a huge reason Brady won so much is his trash division.

I get that, but that 'trash division' is also one of the biggest knocks on Brady and his legacy (well, you 6-0'd the AFC East every year into a Top seed).

And with the first round bye being reduced to just one team now and then ZERO first round byes in the near future (when they add an 8th playoff team in each conference, which will be happening), then regular season success becomes a lot less meaningful with every playoff team basically having to play the same amount of games and win the same number to get to the Super Bowl. Which will be the reality at some point.

So then it becomes nothing more than being the best in the playoffs, which Mahomes has shown he can do. Watson has not, Jackson has not, Allen won 2 games this year but did not look impressive in doing so. So I don't see anyone of the young QB's in the AFC upending Mahomes if the playoff format changes (at least, not on a consistent basis). Yeah, someone might get him every once in a while, I mean, he can't win EVERY playoff game against the other young stud QB's, but if he is who we all believe him to be, he will come out on top the majority of the time. Just like Brady always seemed to shine in the playoffs against his elite contemporaries (Manning, Rape, etc.).

I get what you're saying about it being an easier path and their is certainly some truth to that, but I just don't think the Chiefs should be concerned long term with a Watson led Donko team or Faider team. Yeah, they'll be better, but they're still not the CHiefs, with our coaching situation, front office situation, the young GOAT QB situation, etc.

I guess I'm not really concerned about it either way. If it doesn't happen, that's fine. But if it does? Meh. I say 'bring it on'.

[Red Dawg]

Well the guy that made that trade is gone though.

Both players want out. Hop wanted out and now Watson wants out. Bill O sucks balls and the owner is a damn jack off. That team is fucked for a long time now.

[RunKC]

Not sure if the rumor is true about Deshaun and the Jets, but I have to think he’d prefer Miami.

That team is loaded with talent and doesn’t have many holes aside from the major one he could fix.

Davante Parker, Mike Gisecki...even Jakeem Grant is a nice complimentary guy. They’d just need a RB and that can be had in the 2nd or 3rd rd

[Rain Man]

You're nuts if you don't think it's going to take at the very least 3 first round picks to trade for one of the best QBs in the league.

When the QB has publicly stated that he wants out, though, it destroys the team's leverage. On a smaller scale, look at Marcus Peters. He was arguable a top-five CB in the league when we traded him away for roughly a second-round pick. And then the Rams traded him a couple of years later for almost nothing. A happy and healthy Watson is worth a lot, but a Watson that is grousing and sullen is a lot cheaper.

[Mecca]

When the QB has publicly stated that he wants out, though, it destroys the team's leverage. On a smaller scale, look at Marcus Peters. He was arguable a top-five CB in the league when we traded him away for roughly a second-round pick. And then the Rams traded him a couple of years later for almost nothing. A happy and healthy Watson is worth a lot, but a Watson that is grousing and sullen is a lot cheaper.

A corner doesn't scratch the value of a QB.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Dolphins WR group is average as fuck

[-King-]

When the QB has publicly stated that he wants out, though, it destroys the team's leverage. On a smaller scale, look at Marcus Peters. He was arguable a top-five CB in the league when we traded him away for roughly a second-round pick. And then the Rams traded him a couple of years later for almost nothing. A happy and healthy Watson is worth a lot, but a Watson that is grousing and sullen is a lot cheaper.

Lol there will be at the minimum 5 teams DESPERATE for a qb as talented and proven as Watson and will pay damn near anything to get him. His value isn't lowered at all just because he says he wants out. This isn't a situation where the Texans are negotiating with one team and that team can afford to tell the Texans to take the deal or leave it


And there's a HUGEEEE difference between Marcus Peters and how he acted and his reputation and Watson's reputation.

[Old Dog]

Not sure if the rumor is true about Deshaun and the Jets, but I have to think he’d prefer Miami.


Add in the state income tax rate of 0% for Florida and more than 8% (I think) for New York (10.75% for New Jersey) and the odds he'd want to go to Florida would be even more likely.

[Mecca]

Add in the state income tax rate of 0% for Florida and more than 8% (I think) for New York (10.75% for New Jersey) and the odds he'd want to go to Florida would be even more likely.

He'd more than offset that in endorsement deals alone in NY.

[The Franchise]

Add in the state income tax rate of 0% for Florida and more than 8% (I think) for New York (10.75% for New Jersey) and the odds he'd want to go to Florida would be even more likely.

Has there ever been a player that did that shit? Everyone brings it up but I’ve yet to hear of it being a factor.

[Mecca]

Has there ever been a player that did that shit? Everyone brings it up but I’ve yet to hear of it being a factor.

[Florio] Multiple league sources believe that the Texans will keep Culley in place for a couple of years, and that he will then “retire” and be replaced by Josh McCown. McCown is expected to become the QB coach on Culley’s staff. Eventually, McCown could become the OC.


Religion for the win.

[Rain Man]

Has there ever been a player that did that shit? Everyone brings it up but I’ve yet to hear of it being a factor.

And I think it only counts for home games, too. States are often aggressive about requiring state taxes for work done in the state. Some states are reasonable, I think, but others aren't. I bet a guy like Patrick Mahomes is doing 9 state income tax forms. (Well, he probably has an accountant that does it, rather than getting on turbotax himself.)

[Mecca]

If Watson wanted to grow his brand outside of football NY is the place, he'd make serious endorsement bank.

[comochiefsfan]

Cal McNair and Jack Easterby

https://pm1.narvii.com/6317/840f8823b43ddc1a838245e950940e1b81e3f87b_00.jpg

[FloridaMan88]

If Watson wanted to grow his brand outside of football NY is the place, he'd make serious endorsement bank.

Winning would grow his brand more than being in New York.

See Mahomes in KC, Lamar Jackson in Baltimore, Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay... all QB’s in small markets with significant brand profiles.

[MMXcalibur]

We all witnessed the absolute highest point of the Houston Texans organization.

That point was immediately after Kaimi Fairbairn booted a mid-range field goal to go up 24-0 in the 2020 Divisional Playoff game.

Since then, it's been an out of control Radio Flyer wagon careening down Mount Everest.

[Mecca]

Winning would grow his brand more than being in New York.

See Mahomes in KC, Lamar Jackson in Baltimore, Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay... all QB’s in small markets with significant brand profiles.

Baltimore isn't exactly small but I meant if he won there more than anything.

[chiefzilla1501]

Would Tebow consider a return to football?

[BWillie]

Seems like kind of a whiner to me but he's certainly more in the right than the Texans. How you mess it up with a Top5 QB who is 25 is beyond me. They traded away some top wide outs for no reason, employed BoB, and the not working taking his feedback in the coach/GM was the last straw.

[Direckshun]

Are there any updates on this? I haven't read the megathread.

Just tell me Denver isn't in the mix. I can handle him going anywhere but there.

Denver is ready to go to the AFCCG right now if they have Watson under center. They have a decent OL but great weapons everywhere.

Make good upgrades across their D, and that team with Watson could very well be 2nd in the AFC.

[staylor26]

Are there any updates on this? I haven't read the megathread.

Just tell me Denver isn't in the mix. I can handle him going anywhere but there.

Denver is ready to go to the AFCCG right now if they have Watson under center. They have a decent OL but great weapons everywhere.

Make good upgrades across their D, and that team with Watson could very well be 2nd in the AFC.

LMAO

Holy shit to this is pathetic.

[htismaqe]

Why is everybody so damn scared of Denver?

Their defense is decent but not what it was. Their college scouting is not good, their coaching is downright terrible.

[Direckshun]

Why is everybody so damn scared of Denver?

Their defense is decent but not what it was. Their college scouting is not good, their coaching is downright terrible.

The Broncos with Watson aren't going to match Kansas City.

But what AFC teams can we comfortably say, other than us, are clearly better than Denver with Watson?

[wazu]

Are there any updates on this? I haven't read the megathread.

Just tell me Denver isn't in the mix. I can handle him going anywhere but there.

Denver is ready to go to the AFCCG right now if they have Watson under center. They have a decent OL but great weapons everywhere.

Make good upgrades across their D, and that team with Watson could very well be 2nd in the AFC.

Relax, he's probably just going to the Patriots.

[staylor26]

The Broncos with Watson aren't going to match Kansas City.

But what AFC teams can we comfortably say, other than us, are clearly better than Denver with Watson?

It depends.

The Broncos won’t be the only team in the AFC to make moves.

Either way, that’s a team with a lot of needs, and potentially more depending on what happens with guys like Miller and Simmons. If they trade 3 high picks for Watson, they won’t be making many significant improvements elsewhere anytime soon.

The type of teams that make sense for Watson have more draft capital and/or are ready to win their division now with him.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Why is everybody so damn scared of Denver?

Their defense is decent but not what it was. Their college scouting is not good, their coaching is downright terrible.

This.

No one should be afraid of Denver, even with Watson at QB. Their entire football organization is a mess, I mean, not quite Texans level clusterfuck, but not far behind . . . . . .

[htismaqe]

The Broncos with Watson aren't going to match Kansas City.

But what AFC teams can we comfortably say, other than us, are clearly better than Denver with Watson?

The Denver organization is horribly run and inept at several levels.

They're not better than the Texans were last year under BOB.

[TEX]

Why is everybody so damn scared of Denver?

Their defense is decent but not what it was. Their college scouting is not good, their coaching is downright terrible.

Exactly. They'll just fuck up a good situation. Watson KNOWS that and he won't go there. But if he did, BFD.
Now IF the "unthinkable" happened, and he ended up being traded to Baltimore for Lamar Jackson plus picks/ players - THEN be AFRAID. Because Watson in THAT offense could be lethal, because he can run as well as pass.

[Direckshun]

It depends.

The Broncos won’t be the only team in the AFC to make moves.

Either way, that’s a team with a lot of needs, and potentially more depending on what happens with guys like Miller and Simmons. If they trade 3 high picks for Watson, they won’t be making many significant improvements elsewhere anytime soon.

The type of teams that make sense for Watson have more draft capital and/or are ready to win their division now with him.

All great points.

But what does Denver have?

Good (not great) OL protection, great weapons outside, great weapons in the backfield, and assuming Von Miller doesn't end up in prison, two dynamic passrushing ends.

What exactly does this team with Watson need? Some more help in the back seven, but you don't need to flush that with premium picks if you're decent at your job.

If you gave me Denver's roster now with Deshaun Watson, they push the Bills for the 2 seed this past season. They may have actually won it outright.

We just sleep on how good that Denver roster is because their QB situation is hot garbage.

[wazu]

All great points.

But what does Denver have?

Good (not great) OL protection, great weapons outside, great weapons in the backfield, and assuming Von Miller doesn't end up in prison, two dynamic passrushing ends.

What exactly does this team with Watson need? Some more help in the back seven, but you don't need to flush that with premium picks if you're decent at your job.

If you gave me Denver's roster now with Deshaun Watson, they push the Bills for the 2 seed this past season. They may have actually won it outright.

We just sleep on how good that Denver roster is because their QB situation is hot garbage.

Would be a pretty neat trick to win second seed without winning your division.

[Direckshun]

Would be a pretty neat trick to win second seed without winning your division.

ROFL Touche.

Edit: Let me just reiterate my point, though. Denver this year with Watson under center would have very possibly been the 2nd best team in the AFC.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

We sleep on Denver because their organization is hot garbage. The QB position is only ONE of their many issues. Their defense is aging. Their O-Line is still questionable. Their coaches are awful. The front office and scouting personnel are a mess. Their owner situation is a cluster****, which IMO contributes to a lot of the dysfunction on their football team.

They need a LOT more than Watson to turn that dumpster fire around.

[Direckshun]

We sleep on Denver because their organization is hot garbage. The QB position is only ONE of their many issues. Their coaches are awful. The front office and scouting personnel are a mess. Their owner situation is a cluster****, which IMO contributes to a lot of the dysfunction on their football team.

They need a LOT more than Watson to turn that dumpster fire around.

Guys, we have Mahomes.

He, with elite offensive weapons, was one possession away from dragging the league's worst defense to the Super Bowl in 2018.

With an elite QB, which Watson definitely is, the Broncos don't have to make expert moves. That team is largely built to go to the AFCCG with Watson. It needs upgrades across the defense but if Elway gets lucky for one offseason, you never know. It's literally happened before in Denver, less than a decade ago.

[Marcellus]

LMAO

Holy shit to this is pathetic.

I don't think pathetic even begins to cover it.

[Marcellus]

Don't anyone let Direkshun know they are trying to talk Andrew Luck out of retirement in Indy, he is still only 32.

He wont be able to sleep tonight.

[TEX]

All great points.

But what does Denver have?

Good (not great) OL protection, great weapons outside, great weapons in the backfield, and assuming Von Miller doesn't end up in prison, two dynamic passrushing ends.

What exactly does this team with Watson need? Some more help in the back seven, but you don't need to flush that with premium picks if you're decent at your job.

If you gave me Denver's roster now with Deshaun Watson, they push the Bills for the 2 seed this past season. They may have actually won it outright.

We just sleep on how good that Denver roster is because their QB situation is hot garbage.

No.

[threebag]

Heading to NFC soon I hope. Hopefully to WFT so he can dominate that division and they'll stop talking about the goddamn Cowboys every year.

He’ll go to the Cowboys

[TEX]

He’ll go to the Cowboys

I think so too.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Guys, we have Mahomes.



You could have just stopped right there.

You're right, WE have Mahomes. Denver doesn't. Watson is NOT Mahomes.

Watson alone is not taking Denver from a 5 win team to a team that wins 12 or 13 games and finishes as the second best team in the AFC next to KC.

Again, the Texans were AWFUL this year. And that was WITH Watson playing elite most of the year (check his final numbers for the season). If he couldn't help the dysfunctional Texans win more than 4 games this year, how is he taking 5 win Denver (who is almost just as dysfunctional) to 'elite' status immediately??

The answer is simple.

He's not.

[Direckshun]

No.

It has literally happened before, just a few years ago.

Getting postseason success by ensnaring an elite QB in trade or free agency isn't exactly reinventing the wheel.

I know we all hate Denver but good lord. When did this place turn into the Arrowhead Pride comment section.

[Sassy Squatch]

It has literally happened before, just a few years ago.

Getting postseason success by ensnaring an elite QB in trade or free agency isn't exactly reinventing the wheel.

I know we all hate Denver but good lord. When did this place turn into the Arrowhead Pride comment section.
It's more the fact that you're such a pussy about it. "Oh boo hoo pwease not denver I can't handle that :("

[morphius]

I think so too.

Yeah, I'm sure they would rather spend the money on Watson instead of Dak. Forgot they didn't give him a contract yet.

[Direckshun]

You could have just stopped right there.

You're right, WE have Mahomes. Denver doesn't. Watson is NOT Mahomes.

Watson alone is not taking Denver from a 5 win team to a team that wins 12 or 13 games and finishes as the second best team in the AFC next to KC.

Again, the Texans were AWFUL this year. And that was WITH Watson playing elite most of the year (check his final numbers for the season). If he couldn't help the dysfunctional Texans win more than 4 games this year, how is he taking 5 win Denver to 'elite' status immediately??

The answer is simple.

He's not.

The Texans' boat was broken, though. That ship was taking on water with BOB and Romeo Crennel, that was not some league-average situation.

The Broncos are probably a league-average situation dragged down by garbage quarterbacking.

If you put Watson on the 2020 Broncos, that team probably does go to the playoffs and pushes the Bills. I'd put them on par with the Ravens.

That means I probably take the 2020 Chiefs over them 9 times out of 10, because we are that good. But that's still a damn good team that isn't too far away from AFCCG level talent.

Von Miller, of course, is the wild card.

[Direckshun]

It's more the fact that you're such a pussy about it. "Oh boo hoo pwease not denver I can't handle that :("

ooooookkkkkkkk

[Marcellus]

It has literally happened before, just a few years ago.

Getting postseason success by ensnaring an elite QB in trade or free agency isn't exactly reinventing the wheel.

I know we all hate Denver but good lord. When did this place turn into the Arrowhead Pride comment section.

Your comments and attitude are pretty silly. Houston had a badass defense, DHop, Fuller, etc....for several years and didn't win shit. You weren't freaking out then about Houston.

Watson is alright but he ain't saving Denver. Hell I wish Denver would become more of a challenge.

[dlphg9]

I hope he goes to the Raiders or Broncos and if not then I hope he goes to a contender. That's the only way that some of you will realize that he's not as good as you think he is.

Last years Texans team was a good team and Watson showed just what kind of choke artist he is. B.O.B gets all the blame, but Watson is the reason they couldn't beat us after being up by 24. I want him to go somewhere that no one can make any excuses for him.

[RunKC]

It depends.

The Broncos won’t be the only team in the AFC to make moves.

Either way, that’s a team with a lot of needs, and potentially more depending on what happens with guys like Miller and Simmons. If they trade 3 high picks for Watson, they won’t be making many significant improvements elsewhere anytime soon.

The type of teams that make sense for Watson have more draft capital and/or are ready to win their division now with him.

Based on what? The assumption is that Elway isn’t the GM anymore and the new guy has full control over personnel.

He’s never been a GM before, but we know the Vikings have been one of the better drafting teams.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

It has literally happened before, just a few years ago.

Getting postseason success by ensnaring an elite QB in trade or free agency isn't exactly reinventing the wheel.

I know we all hate Denver but good lord. When did this place turn into the Arrowhead Pride comment section.

So you're comparing Watson to Peyton Manning? :facepalm:

Look, I hate Denver just as much as the next Chiefs fan, but even I can objectively recognize all time greatness. Watson has a LONG ways to go before he attains that status.

[FloridaMan88]

The Denver organization is horribly run and inept at several levels.

They're not better than the Texans were last year under BOB.

This.

If Watson is trying to escape a franchise that is being poorly run by the incompetent son/family of the recently deceased owner then it would make no sense for him to walk into the similar situation in Denver.

[htismaqe]

The Texans' boat was broken, though. That ship was taking on water with BOB and Romeo Crennel, that was not some league-average situation.

The Broncos are probably a league-average situation dragged down by garbage quarterbacking.

If you put Watson on the 2020 Broncos, that team probably does go to the playoffs and pushes the Bills. I'd put them on par with the Ravens.

That means I probably take the 2020 Chiefs over them 9 times out of 10, because we are that good. But that's still a damn good team that isn't too far away from AFCCG level talent.

Von Miller, of course, is the wild card.

Dude, the Denver organization is in almost as much turmoil as the Texans. They just have more liquor involved and less Jesus.

[htismaqe]

Based on what? The assumption is that Elway isn’t the GM anymore and the new guy has full control over personnel.

He’s never been a GM before, but we know the Vikings have been one of the better drafting teams.

Everywhere except the most important position on the field.

[Sassy Squatch]

Let's assuage your fears. The Texans prefer to send him to the NFC, according to Rapoport. The Jets or Dolphins may be able to get him just because of the amount and quality of their picks, bit that's probably it.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

The Texans' boat was broken, though. That ship was taking on water with BOB and Romeo Crennel, that was not some league-average situation.

The Broncos are probably a league-average situation dragged down by garbage quarterbacking.

If you put Watson on the 2020 Broncos, that team probably does go to the playoffs and pushes the Bills. I'd put them on par with the Ravens.

That means I probably take the 2020 Chiefs over them 9 times out of 10, because we are that good. But that's still a damn good team that isn't too far away from AFCCG level talent.

Von Miller, of course, is the wild card.

You must think a lot more highly of the Donkos roster than the rest of us here.

Clearly, we're just gonna have to agree to disagree at this point.

[staylor26]

Based on what? The assumption is that Elway isn’t the GM anymore and the new guy has full control over personnel.

He’s never been a GM before, but we know the Vikings have been one of the better drafting teams.

I said they won’t be making many not any.

It’s going to be very difficult to fill all of those other needs, which is quite a long list, with no early picks the next 2+ years.

[dlphg9]

It has literally happened before, just a few years ago.

Getting postseason success by ensnaring an elite QB in trade or free agency isn't exactly reinventing the wheel.

I know we all hate Denver but good lord. When did this place turn into the Arrowhead Pride comment section.

Watson isnt Peyton Manning. Big difference between those 2.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

I said they won’t be making many not any.

It’s going to be very difficult to fill all of those other needs, which is quite a long list, with no early picks the next 2+ years.

In addition to taking on Watson's 30+ million dollar cap hit vs. Lock's 'basically free' contract right now for a rookie.

[ModSocks]

My prediction: Watson stays with Houston.

[Megatron96]

I hope he goes to the Raiders or Broncos and if not then I hope he goes to a contender. That's the only way that some of you will realize that he's not as good as you think he is.

Last years Texans team was a good team and Watson showed just what kind of choke artist he is. B.O.B gets all the blame, but Watson is the reason they couldn't beat us after being up by 24. I want him to go somewhere that no one can make any excuses for him.

So it had nothing to do with HOU having a bad run defense, the worst RZ defense in the regular season, the worst 3rd down defense, and one of the worst RZ TD defenses in the league?

How odd.

[FloridaMan88]

Guys, we have Mahomes.

He, with elite offensive weapons, was one possession away from dragging the league's worst defense to the Super Bowl in 2018.

With an elite QB, which Watson definitely is, the Broncos don't have to make expert moves. That team is largely built to go to the AFCCG with Watson. It needs upgrades across the defense but if Elway gets lucky for one offseason, you never know. It's literally happened before in Denver, less than a decade ago.

Denver's roster is more comparable to this year's Houston Texans roster which even with Watson was a 4-12 football team.

Also be prepared to subtract potential key players from Denver's current roster if they are trading for Watson, as it will take veteran players + draft picks to get him.

[staylor26]

My prediction: Watson stays with Houston.

I think so too. At least to start the season. Whatever happens after depends on how much of a dick Watson is willing to be.

[RunKC]

Everywhere except the most important position on the field.

Which is why I think they’ll be in on Stafford, maybe Watson. Probably Stafford bc he won’t cost multiple 1st rd picks and he’s cheap the next 2 years.

If I’m Paton I get the QB. They have a good defense under Fangio, OL is significantly better and they have a stable of weapons.

They’re a playoff team with a good QB

[dlphg9]

I know same division and all, but what about the Jags? All kinds of cap space and the #1 overall pick in a draft that has one of the best QB prospects ever. It won't happen because they're in the same division. Just kinda interested in what it'd take from the Jags if they were in a different division or conference.

[ModSocks]

I think so too. At least to start the season. Whatever happens after depends on how much of a dick Watson is willing to be.

I think David Culley will be able to placate him and get him to buy in.

[FloridaMan88]

I think David Culley will be able to placate him and get him to buy in.

Doubtful after Watson strategically timed his official trade request immediately after Culley was hired.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Why would the Jags (who have the chance to draft the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck, have a great cap situation, lots of draft ammo to work with, a solid young offensive group, etc.) trade that all away to get Watson??

I like Watson and he's a good young QB, but I think some of you are giving him way more credit than he deserves.

I don't even pick up the phone if I'm Jacksonville (or die laughing, not sure which).

[htismaqe]

Just wait until they trade Watson to the Pats for Stidham and a Chinese masseuse.

[Imon Yourside]

Not sure if the rumor is true about Deshaun and the Jets, but I have to think he’d prefer Miami.

That team is loaded with talent and doesn’t have many holes aside from the major one he could fix.

Davante Parker, Mike Gisecki...even Jakeem Grant is a nice complimentary guy. They’d just need a RB and that can be had in the 2nd or 3rd rd

Dolphins buddy of mine says the rumor is complete BS made up by a local Miami Rag that is not trustworthy fwiw.

[ModSocks]

Doubtful after Watson strategically timed his official trade request immediately after Culley was hired.

Allegedly the request was made BEFORE the hire, so we'll see.

But we have a black coach here (important to Deshaun) who can argue that he has experience with Andy Reid, Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen.

IF he has the gift of gab he may be able to get him to buy in.

[TEX]

My prediction: Watson stays with Houston.

Bet not. He's been pissed for a long time. It finally came to a head. He has ZERO faith in the organization, and who could blame him?

[penguinz]

Why would anyone trade anything of value for Watson? What has he shown that makes you think he is worth his contract?

Drafted same year as Mahomes and has played in 3 playoff games and only won one of them and that was against Buffalo and it was only a 3 pt win with Allen having no passing TDs.

[ModSocks]

Why would anyone trade anything of value for Watson? What has he shown that makes you think he is worth his contract?



Have you considered that maybe he's much better than what you think?