Rumor: Carr out and Watson in?

[BigRedChief]

WTF? This guy is the Las Vegas Raiders beat writer and radio host in Vegas

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Multiple <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NFL</a> sources indicate to me that Derek Carr is a hot commodity. And it is expected that multiple teams will pursue him via trade That could lead to the <a href="https://twitter.com/Raiders?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Raiders</a> pursuing Deshaun Watson in a blockbuster trade. My story:<a href="https://t.co/rnxHJK9KC0">https://t.co/rnxHJK9KC0</a></p>&mdash; Vincent Bonsignore (@VinnyBonsignore) <a href="https://twitter.com/VinnyBonsignore/status/1356758961978920960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[RollChiefsRoll]

Watson didn’t like Bill O’Brien’s dysfunction.

I’m sure he’ll love the methodical approach of Jon Gruden.

[htismaqe]

The NFL is collectively losing its mind.

Stafford for Goff. Watson for Carr.

Who is next?

[Deberg_1990]

The NFL is collectively losing its mind.

Stafford for Goff. Watson for Carr.

Who is next?

Mahomes for Trevor Lawrence?

[Pitt Gorilla]

The NFL is collectively losing its mind.

Stafford for Goff. Watson for Carr.

Who is next?

It's kind of awesome that it doesn't matter at all.

[htismaqe]

Mahomes for Trevor Lawrence?

No, the Chiefs aren't stupid or desperate. That's what drives this kind of insanity.

[htismaqe]

It's kind of awesome that it doesn't matter at all.

Yeah, it almost comedic.

[Buehler445]

I feel like someone should gently remind Watson that Grudens hand picked guy go this spleen shredded and emergency surgery.

Death by internal bleeding would be a deal breaker for me.

[DaFace]

That's not even a rumor. It's just a supposition.

[BlackOp]

The NFL is collectively losing its mind.

Stafford for Goff. Watson for Carr.

Who is next?

That's what happens when a Jordan-esque talent like Mahomes shows up...everyone is re-evaluating the position.

[The Franchise]

And the Raiders are going to do what with Watson? Still win 8 games?

[staylor26]

And the Raiders are going to do what with Watson? Still win 8 games?

Yea how the fuck are they supposed to trade for Watson and fix their defense?

Also, how the fuck is Watson a fit for Gruden’s offense?

Who the fuck wants Carr?

This is all dumb. There are teams with much more to offer and the market is going to be insane. If the Raiders trade for Watson, it’s because they got raped.

[Why Not?]

And the Raiders are going to do what with Watson? Still win 8 games?

Ha! No way dude! If the Raiders make this power move, they immediately move their ceiling to......9 wins.

[carcosa]

Raiders are toilet dump !

[staylor26]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Las Vegas Review Journal says Raiders expected to field calls on Carr and could possibly get two first rounders and then trade four first rounders for Watson. It&#39;s likely teams that you wouldn&#39;t necessarily expect will emerge as Watson contenders</p>&mdash; Barry Jackson (@flasportsbuzz) <a href="https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz/status/1356769220906868736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If they really think they’re getting 2 1at rounders for Carr....


LMAO

What fucking team is going to trade 2 1st rounders for Carr? Why wouldn’t they just go all-in for Watson?

[RollChiefsRoll]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Las Vegas Review Journal says Raiders expected to field calls on Carr and could possibly get two first rounders and then trade four first rounders for Watson. It&#39;s likely teams that you wouldn&#39;t necessarily expect will emerge as Watson contenders</p>&mdash; Barry Jackson (@flasportsbuzz) <a href="https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz/status/1356769220906868736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If they really think they’re getting 2 1at rounders for Carr....


LMAO

What fucking team is going to trade 2 1st rounders for Carr? Why wouldn’t they just go all-in for Watson?

I’ll give them two tubes of eyeliner.

[PunkinDrublic]

Why would Watson want to piss away his talent for a garbage ass organization like the Raiders?

[rabblerouser]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Las Vegas Review Journal says Raiders expected to field calls on Carr and could possibly get two first rounders and then trade four first rounders for Watson. It&#39;s likely teams that you wouldn&#39;t necessarily expect will emerge as Watson contenders</p>&mdash; Barry Jackson (@flasportsbuzz) <a href="https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz/status/1356769220906868736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If they really think they’re getting 2 1at rounders for Carr....


LMAO

What ****ing team is going to trade 2 1st rounders for Carr? Why wouldn’t they just go all-in for Watson?

Guy on ESPN radio said that the Texans basically laughed at Mayock and hung up on him.

[staylor26]

Why would Watson want to piss away his talent for a garbage ass organization like the Raiders?

That’s what makes all of this even more hilarious.

Who says Watson wants to go to LV and get bitch slapped by Mahomes twice a year?

In terms of teams he’d be interested in, I haven’t once heard the Raiders mentioned.

[morphius]

Carr is a highly wanted commodity? This is all kinds of crazy.

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[rabblerouser]

I’ll give them two tubes of eyeliner.

It's guyliner.

[smithandrew051]

Whatever franchise gives up 2 firsts for Carr needs to be disbanded

[BossChief]

Goff is Carr and Carr is Goff.

They are obviously hoping to get significant value for Carr as part of a trade for Watson.

They are delusional if they think they can get 2 firsts for him. I doubt they’d have many interested teams for a first alone.

[RollChiefsRoll]

Goff is Carr and Carr is Goff.

They are obviously hoping to get significant value for Carr as part of a trade for Watson.

They are delusional if they think they can get 2 firsts for him. I doubt they’d have many interested teams for a first alone.

Einhorn is Finkle. Finkle is Einhorn.

[joethomas]

if you just read the tweet you can tell the guy is just making things up. He says "could" 12 times in the article. There's no actual information there, it's just a reporter passing a thought experiment off as information

[rabblerouser]

Whatever franchise gives up 2 firsts for Carr needs to be disbanded

Texans are like "fuck it, we'll have firsts in 2023 and 2024 you can have...

[Why Not?]

Whatever franchise gives up 2 firsts for Carr needs to be disbanded

I'm struggling to think of any team that would want Carr for anything, let alone two 1's? Objectively looking at it, Carr is not trash but realistically, what team(s) would give up any draft picks for him?

Denver, maybe?
Indy?
Carolina? Although I'm not sure I wouldn't want Bridgewater over Carr.

[frozenchief]

Whatever franchise gives up 2 firsts for Carr needs to be disbanded

I agree but let’s be frank: the Texans are such a hot plate of vomit that if they didn’t have Watson, they would probably make such a trade.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'm struggling to think of any team that would want Carr for anything, let alone two 1's? Objectively looking at it, Carr is not trash but realistically, what team(s) would give up any draft picks for him?

Denver, maybe?
Indy?
Carolina? Although I'm not sure I wouldn't want Bridgewater over Carr.

Washington, maybe the Cowboys, Saints, Falcons, New England, Miami, Chicago and Detroit.

[Titty Meat]

That would be awesome. Mahomes, Watson, Herbert.

I for one welcome this. If Pat wins more rings it will only add to the legend status. Will make regular season games exciting as well.

[TribalElder]

Nobody wants Carrbage not even the raiders

[T-post Tom]

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[ChiefAshhole1056]

Coming from Houston, if the Texans traded Watson away for David Carr’s little brother I guarantee you the city would genuinely revolt. This whole Easterby situation is beyond bizarre but that really would be the final straw that breaks everything.

[Buehler445]

Einhorn is Finkle. Finkle is Einhorn.

Is now when we start plunging our face?

[Megatron96]

This is never, ever happening.

[TinyEvel]

Paying two 1st rounders for Carr, or four 1st rounders for Watson is like buying GameStop stock at $300

[BossChief]

Paying two 1st rounders for Carr, or four 1st rounders for Watson is like buying GameStop stock at $300

Let’s say we didn’t draft Mahomes.

There isn’t a 4 year period in the last 40 years that I wouldn’t trade each of those first rounders for a QB like Watson.

Think about it...here are some quality 4 year stretches with good 1st rounders...a QBs like Watson is probably still more valuable.

Poe
Fisher
Ford
Peters

DJ
Hali
Bowe
Dorsey/Albert

Gonzalez
Riley
Tait
Morris

[Wallcrawler]

Let’s say we didn’t draft Mahomes.

There isn’t a 4 year period in the last 40 years that I wouldn’t trade each of those first rounders for a QB like Watson.

Think about it...here are some quality 4 year stretches with good 1st rounders...a QBs like Watson is probably still more valuable.

Poe
Fisher
Ford
Peters

DJ
Hali
Bowe
Dorsey/Albert

Gonzalez
Riley
Tait
Morris

Id have to cross lists to find 4 for Watson.

Id give

Smack mah bitch up

Sonic

Dey sed ah wuz ahfsydes...wuz ah?

Thug life.

[ChiefsFanatic]

What fucking team is going to trade 2 1st rounders for Carr? Why wouldn’t they just go all-in for Watson?

Who is going to trade two 1st round picks for Carr? Well, my first thought was "Did an NFL team already hire BOB and I didn't hear about it?"

Trading two 1st round picks for Carr is the most Bill O'Brien thing ever. If another NFL team ever gives BOB control over personnel again, they deserve all the mediocre losing coming their way.



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[PAChiefsGuy]

Paying two 1st rounders for Carr, or four 1st rounders for Watson is like buying GameStop stock at $300

Right. Better off taking your chances in the draft.

That's weird w Raiders I thought Carr did pretty good this year.

[warpaint*]

WTF? This guy is the Las Vegas Raiders beat writer and radio host in Vegas

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Multiple <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NFL</a> sources indicate to me that Derek Carr is a hot commodity. And it is expected that multiple teams will pursue him via trade That could lead to the <a href="https://twitter.com/Raiders?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Raiders</a> pursuing Deshaun Watson in a blockbuster trade. My story:<a href="https://t.co/rnxHJK9KC0">https://t.co/rnxHJK9KC0</a></p>&mdash; Vincent Bonsignore (@VinnyBonsignore) <a href="https://twitter.com/VinnyBonsignore/status/1356758961978920960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

And team stooge apparently as well.

[duncan_idaho]

Yeah, if a team was mustering up to provide two firsts for Derek Carr, why wouldn’t they find a few more picks to send for DeShaun Watson? Makes no sense.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

The smells like complete bullshit on the Raiders end. Laughable to think they get that for Carr.

[Bob Dole]

The smells like complete bullshit on the Raiders end. Laughable to think they get that for Carr.

Hot commodity!

That nobody has mentioned at all.

[FlaChief58]

That is one delusional fucker if he thinks any GM in his right mind is trading 2 1st round picks for mascara boy.

[MahomesMagic]

49ers might want Carr. Not for 2 1s though.

[kcjayhawks5]

TWO first rounders for Carr? Wtf no way in hell

[Tonka83]

Whatever franchise gives up 2 firsts for Carr needs to be disbanded

If anyone were to be dumb enough to do it, it would be the Texans.

[Why Not?]

Washington, maybe the Cowboys, Saints, Falcons, New England, Miami, Chicago and Detroit.

I didn't think about WFT and New England. Chicago, good call. I think the others, right or wrong, are sticking with their guy or whatever Dallas ends up doing. That's another good potential landing spot. With those WR, he could do some damage.

[RunKC]

Derek Carr seems exactly like what Bill wants in a QB tbh

[jallmon]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Las Vegas Review Journal says Raiders expected to field calls on Carr and could possibly get two first rounders and then trade four first rounders for Watson. It&#39;s likely teams that you wouldn&#39;t necessarily expect will emerge as Watson contenders</p>&mdash; Barry Jackson (@flasportsbuzz) <a href="https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz/status/1356769220906868736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If they really think they’re getting 2 1at rounders for Carr....


LMAO

What ****ing team is going to trade 2 1st rounders for Carr? Why wouldn’t they just go all-in for Watson?

It seems to me that the only reason anyone would remotely consider 2 1st round picks for Carr is if they already lost out on the Watson trade.

[stevieray]

You're not dethroning Mahomes in the AFC West.

This REEKS of desperation and futility.

LMAO

[Red Dawg]

I doubt it.

[Hoover]

That’s the best article I’ve read in a long time. I mean I needed a good laugh.

1. A team besides the Texans needs to offer 2 first round picks for Carr. LMAO

The entire problem with this nonsense is why would you trade two firsts for Carr, so the Raiders can trade for a better QB.

[lawrenceRaider]

This is dumb AF. Not that you can ever really trust anything Gruden says, but . . .

https://sports.yahoo.com/houston-texans-jon-gruden-doesnt-see-deshaun-watson-trade-raiders-nbc-sunday-night-football-cris-collinsworth-podcast-054635402.html

[Deberg_1990]

I'm struggling to think of any team that would want Carr for anything, let alone two 1's? Objectively looking at it, Carr is not trash but realistically, what team(s) would give up any draft picks for him?

Denver, maybe?
Indy?
Carolina? Although I'm not sure I wouldn't want Bridgewater over Carr.

Carr is worth some picks. Just not two #1s.

I have no idea what he’s truly worth though. He’s somewhere like a top 15 to 20 QB in the league. Occasionally a top 10-15, maybe....

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

I figured it would be a circus act in LV. The knack for comedy is surprisingly strong

[Why Not?]

Carr is worth some picks. Just not two #1s.

I have no idea what he’s truly worth though. He’s somewhere like a top 15 to 20 QB in the league. Occasionally a top 10-15, maybe....

He's kinda the quintessential "bridesmaid as opposed to bride" QB. Just don't think you're ever going to win a championship with him, but you definitely could do worse. The Dallas suggestion by Dane is very intriguing. Carr reunited with Cooper and with Lamb/Gallup and whatever is left of Elliot could be a really interesting fit.

[notorious]

Cowherd was pushing this stupid idea yesterday.

He went even further, though. He said Vegas should send Carr, Waller, and 4 (1!) first round picks for Watson. ROFL

[O.city]

I bet the Colts would send their 1 and a 2 to LV for Carr

[chiefzilla1501]

I'm sure carr yelling one praise Jesus is worth at least one first round pick to Easterby.

[morphius]

Cowherd was pushing this stupid idea yesterday.

He went even further, though. He said Vegas should send Carr, Waller, and 4 (1!) first round picks for Watson. ROFL

Wow! Trade for a QB, get rid of the best target he has to throw to, then remove all high draft pics to get talent for 4 years. Since it is the Raiders I think I would be fine with that trade, hahaha

[tredadda]

While there are many QB hungry teams out there that would trade for Carr there is no one stupid enough to give up two firsts for him.

[ClevelandBronco]

Cowherd was pushing this stupid idea yesterday.

He went even further, though. He said Vegas should send Carr, Waller, and 4 (1!) first round picks for Watson. ROFL

Insane. A team built primarily on one player, even if she* is the quarterback, is one hit away from disaster.


*Signal that this poster is forward thinking and open minded

[Eureka]

Carr has had near the bottom of the league ranked defenses every year he has played. Even last year the Raiders defense was historically bad. Did you see the end of the Miami game a few weeks back?

Carr on a team with a good defense like the Colts, 49ers, or WFT would be a great combo. Carr is durable and has a team friendly contract.

[FlaChief58]

Carr has had near the bottom of the league ranked defenses every year he has played. Even last year the Raiders defense was historically bad. Did you see the end of the Miami game a few weeks back?

Carr on a team with a good defense like the Colts, 49ers, or WFT would be a great combo. Carr is durable and has a team friendly contract.

He's a middle of the pack QB. Sure he would be an upgrade for a QB starved team, but that doesn't mean he's worth 2 firsts.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Wow! Trade for a QB, get rid of the best target he has to throw to, then remove all high draft pics to get talent for 4 years. Since it is the Raiders I think I would be fine with that trade, hahaha

So...they basically become the Texans

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Carr has had near the bottom of the league ranked defenses every year he has played. Even last year the Raiders defense was historically bad. Did you see the end of the Miami game a few weeks back?

Carr on a team with a good defense like the Colts, 49ers, or WFT would be a great combo. Carr is durable and has a team friendly contract.

So, basically all the excuses that mediocre QBs get when they come up short

[O.city]

Carr was really good this last year. If you put him on the current structured Colts team they'd be right there in the AFC with the teams behind the Chiefs. I'd probably take them over the Bills

[RunKC]

Not gonna lie I wouldn’t be mad if this happened. It would be pretty cool to see these guys play every year in Vegas

[O.city]

So, basically all the excuses that mediocre QBs get when they come up short

Even Mahomes couldn't overcome a historically bad D. It is waht it is.

[tredadda]

Carr has had near the bottom of the league ranked defenses every year he has played. Even last year the Raiders defense was historically bad. Did you see the end of the Miami game a few weeks back?

Carr on a team with a good defense like the Colts, 49ers, or WFT would be a great combo. Carr is durable and has a team friendly contract.

Mahomes on a team with a historically bad defense is an offsides away from making the SB. Carr with one fails to make the playoffs. It's not because he has no talent on offense either.

[KC_Lee]

Cause the last time a Carr started for the Texans it was such a rousing success.

[O.city]

Mahomes on a team with a historically bad defense is an offsides away from making the SB. Carr with one fails to make the playoffs. It's not because he has no talent on offense either.

Atleast the Chiefs 2018 D could rush the passer. IIRC they lead the league in sacks?

[Bearcat]

if you just read the tweet you can tell the guy is just making things up. He says "could" 12 times in the article. There's no actual information there, it's just a reporter passing a thought experiment off as information

Industry experts!

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Even Mahomes couldn't overcome a historically bad D. It is waht it is.

Yet in his worst year...won 12 games and made the AFC title game. JFC O

[O.city]

I just did it and I shouldn't have, but I think we need to quit comparing any of these QB's to Mahomes.

They're gonna come up short. Always.

[O.city]

Yet in his worst year...won 12 games and made the AFC title game. JFC O

In your own words those are excuses. He didn't win it all. So failure.

[tredadda]

Atleast the Chiefs 2018 D could rush the passer. IIRC they lead the league in sacks?

They did. Unfortunately everything else they did on defense that year was poor at best.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I just did it and I shouldn't have, but I think we need to quit comparing any of these QB's to Mahomes.

They're gonna come up short. Always.

That's the bar now. Like Jordan in the NBA. If you can't pass it....too bad. Lots of desperate moves talked about being made.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

In your own words those are excuses. He didn't win it all. So failure.

ROFL pathetic

[FlaChief58]

In your own words those are excuses. He didn't win it all. So failure.

There's a gigantic difference between making it to the afccg with a shitty D and losing because one bonehead can't figure out the basics of the game vs not making the playoffs

[Pasta Little Brioni]

O has lost his damn mind ROFL

[Eureka]

Mahomes on a team with a historically bad defense is an offsides away from making the SB. Carr with one fails to make the playoffs. It's not because he has no talent on offense either.

Well then great! Teams can use those 1st round picks and draft Mahomes. There's a Mahomes in every draft class right?

So the 2018 Chiefs defense who lead the league in Sacks was historically bad? Does Mahomes get past the Browns a few weeks ago without a good Def? This is a thread about Carr not Mahomes.

The fact is the Raiders have had really bad defenses every year Carr has played and a good defense will help a QB thrive in this league. 2 1st round draft picks are a lot for Carr but the Raiders will just say kick rocks if you don't want to pay it. Teams like the Colts, WFT, and 49ers can draft a QB and hope he does well. Good luck.

[O.city]

That's the bar now. Like Jordan in the NBA. If you can't pass it....too bad. Lots of desperate moves talked about being made.

Expecting people to pass it is on you. If that's what these teams are expecting, it won't work. Once you realize that and stop comparing them all to him, it's alot easier.

Jordan didn't win it every year. There are other ways to do this. If you put Carr on the Colts with that defense and offense, they could compete with KC. They'll lose more than not because of Mahomes, but thats their best shot.

[O.city]

ROFL pathetic

Your dumbass makes the rules, not me.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Expecting people to pass it is on you. If that's what these teams are expecting, it won't work. Once you realize that and stop comparing them all to him, it's alot easier.

Jordan didn't win it every year. There are other ways to do this. If you put Carr on the Colts with that defense and offense, they could compete with KC. They'll lose more than not because of Mahomes, but thats their best shot.

ROFL He would have NINE peated if he didn't get bored for a bit

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Your dumbass makes the rules, not me.

Not my fault the 70 to 16 Chiefs are your spirit animals

[Chris Meck]

Man.

All this for middle tier QBs?

LOL.

None of this Carr, Cousins, Garappolo nonsense is going to be a difference maker.

I suppose it highlights just how difficult it is to play the position of QB in the NFL at a high level.

I've felt for years that at any one point in time, there are 5 guys who can play NFL QB at an elite level. Some guys stay in that 5 for years, some guys climb in for a minute but fall off. NONE of these guys that are getting shuffled around right now are in that class.

It's madness.

[CoMoChief]

Two 1st rounders for Carr ? LMAO

I want what they're smokin'...

[O.city]

ROFL He would have NINE peated if he didn't get bored for a bit

Yeah, great. He didn't.

Just like Mahomes won't win every year. Hopefully he doesn't quit on the franchise and go play baseball for a few years, but we'll see.

[O.city]

Not my fault the 70 to 16 Chiefs are your spirit animals

Is this english?

If these teams wanna chase "Mahomes type players" in the draft each year, go for it. They won't find the next one, just like there's no "Next Brady". You can only do what you can do.

[Eureka]

Is this english?

If these teams wanna chase "Mahomes type players" in the draft each year, go for it. They won't find the next one, just like there's no "Next Brady". You can only do what you can do.

Browns are a great example of that. They've had how many 1st round QB's go bust in the past 20 years?

Finding a solid QB isn't easy.

[tredadda]

Two 1st rounders for Carr ? LMAO

I want what they're smokin'...

He's basically Alex Smith. If you surround him with enough talent he can win. He clearly can't elevate his team. If that's worth two first round picks, then the team willing to give that up deserves what they get.

[MahomesMagic]

Browns are a great example of that. They've had how many 1st round QB's go bust in the past 20 years?

Finding a solid QB isn't easy.

The problem for selling a Carr level QB is that the non-elite QB's are plummeting in value.

There's so many guys that can be "good or ok" in the right system.

I would much rather just pick up Fitz in FA than trade draft picks for Carr.

[O.city]

The problem for selling a Carr level QB is that the non-elite QB's are plummeting in value.

There's so many guys that can be "good or ok" in the right system.

I would much rather just pick up Fitz in FA than trade draft picks for Carr.

Carr is a weird case in that with a good system and offense around him, he's shown he can play at a really high level.

2 1's is alot, but the notion that first round picks are so super valuable is kinda out the window. Sure, top 15ish ones are, but once you get to where the Colts are picking, they aren't. Same thing with KC.

[tredadda]

Well then great! Teams can use those 1st round picks and draft Mahomes. There's a Mahomes in every draft class right?

So the 2018 Chiefs defense who lead the league in Sacks was historically bad? Does Mahomes get past the Browns a few weeks ago without a good Def? This is a thread about Carr not Mahomes.

The fact is the Raiders have had really bad defenses every year Carr has played and a good defense will help a QB thrive in this league. 2 1st round draft picks are a lot for Carr but the Raiders will just say kick rocks if you don't want to pay it. Teams like the Colts, WFT, and 49ers can draft a QB and hope he does well. Good luck.

Yup

[tredadda]

Carr is a weird case in that with a good system and offense around him, he's shown he can play at a really high level.

2 1's is alot, but the notion that first round picks are so super valuable is kinda out the window. Sure, top 15ish ones are, but once you get to where the Colts are picking, they aren't. Same thing with KC.

Where have I heard this before about a certain QB?

[O.city]

Where have I heard this before about a certain QB?

Yeah, and Alex could and did that. Won alot of games. Lost to better QB's in the playoffs.

The Chiefs won a shit load of games and built a great system while they looked for the "guy". Why couldn't one of these teams do that with Carr?

[CoMoChief]

He's basically Alex Smith. If you surround him with enough talent he can win. He clearly can't elevate his team. If that's worth two first round picks, then the team willing to give that up deserves what they get.

Well, Alex Smith only cost two 2nd rd picks.

Chiefs really made out well with that trade.

Doubt I would have liked the Chiefs acquisition of Smith had they given up two 1st rd picks for him.

[CoMoChief]

Yup

They def had troubles stopping the run.

I wouldn't ever put them on par with the early 2000's DV teams' defense though.

Now those teams def units were historically bad.

[Marcellus]

Carr was really good this last year. If you put him on the current structured Colts team they'd be right there in the AFC with the teams behind the Chiefs. I'd probably take them over the Bills

Oh hell no. Bills still would have a better QB & WR core, and a defense comparable.

Indy's defense is way overrated as is their run game.

I swear Indy is the new Chargers and they get overrated every year.

[tredadda]

Yeah, and Alex could and did that. Won alot of games. Lost to better QB's in the playoffs.

The Chiefs won a shit load of games and built a great system while they looked for the "guy". Why couldn't one of these teams do that with Carr?

Alex won meaningless games. When it mattered most he did not show up. If Carr's ceiling is Smith then that's just what a team would get, a lot of regular season wins but failures in the playoffs. If a team is willing to give up multiple 1st rounders for that then they are fools and get what they get.

[O.city]

Oh hell no. Bills still would have a better QB & WR core, and a defense comparable.

Indy's defense is way overrated as is their run game.

I swear Indy is the new Chargers and they get overrated every year.

The Bills have one really good WR then a bunch of eh and their d is just ok. The Colts defense is really good.

[ChiefBlueCFC]

who in the holy fucking hell would give 2, TWO!?! FUCKING 2?!?! first round picks for Derek Eyeliner Carr

[FlaChief58]

who in the holy fucking hell would give 2, TWO!?! FUCKING 2?!?! first round picks for Derek Eyeliner Carr

Someone looking to get fired obviously

[htismaqe]

The Bills have one really good WR then a bunch of eh and their d is just ok. The Colts defense is really good.

The Bills offense finished 5th in DVOA. Their defense finished 12th.

Indy's offense finished 12th. Their defense finished 7th.

I would say the teams are pretty comparable.

[O.city]

The Bills offense finished 5th in DVOA. Their defense finished 12th.

Indy's offense finished 12th. Their defense finished 7th.

I would say the teams are pretty comparable.

They are. With Carr, I think I'd take the Colts.

I'm just not sold on Josh Allen. I know I know, he improved etc. But those huge jumps in accuracy just don't seem sustainable to me.

[htismaqe]

They are. With Carr, I think I'd take the Colts.

I'm just not sold on Josh Allen. I know I know, he improved etc. But those huge jumps in accuracy just don't seem sustainable to me.

The Colts don't have great weapons or a really good TE and although the line is great at pass blocking, their running game relies on quantity, not quality.

With Carr, they'd basically be the Raiders of 2-3 years ago.

[penguinz]

They are. With Carr, I think I'd take the Colts.

I'm just not sold on Josh Allen. I know I know, he improved etc. But those huge jumps in accuracy just don't seem sustainable to me.

Diggs helps tremendously. I would expect Allen to be closer to what he was this year moving forward as long as Diggs stays healthy. Get him a top end TE and he will definitely stay around this same level.

[staylor26]

Diggs helps tremendously. I would expect Allen to be closer to what he was this year moving forward as long as Diggs stays healthy. Get him a top end TE and he will definitely stay around this same level.

You do realize this is much easier said than done, right?

They aren’t exactly easy to find.

[O.city]

The Colts don't have great weapons or a really good TE and although the line is great at pass blocking, their running game relies on quantity, not quality.

With Carr, they'd basically be the Raiders of 2-3 years ago.

They've got some young weapons to build around and a really good defense. The Raiders never had that. Plus the Colts have a stable front office and organization.

[dirk digler]

I wonder if this was because Cowherd was talking about this on his show yesterday. He said the Raiders should trade 4 1st rd picks, Carr and Waller for Watson

A couple of problems with that, first Watson would have to waive his no trade clause and why would he do that when they just traded away their best offensive weapon in Waller.

What a dumb idea

[Spott]

who in the holy fucking hell would give 2, TWO!?! FUCKING 2?!?! first round picks for Derek Eyeliner Carr

Bill O’Brien probably would.

[JakeF]

Carr and Two 1st round picks for Watson?

Would Houston accept that?

[Jamie]

I doubt the Raiders even think they could get two firsts for Carr. They're just starting the negotiation in the media.

[KChiefs1]

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[staylor26]

Carr and Two 1st round picks for Watson?

Would Houston accept that?

LMAO

[Marcellus]

They've got some young weapons to build around and a really good defense. The Raiders never had that. Plus the Colts have a stable front office and organization.

They have almost no playmakers on offense. Carr has better weapons in LV so how he makes Indy so much better (and much better than LV if he moved to Indy) makes no sense.

[htismaqe]

They've got some young weapons to build around and a really good defense. The Raiders never had that. Plus the Colts have a stable front office and organization.

They have like zero weapons on offense. Did you watch the Colts this year?

[staylor26]

They have almost no playmakers on offense. Carr has better weapons in LV so how he makes Indy so much better (and much better than LV if he moved to Indy) makes no sense.

Because the Colts defense!

(That gave up 27+ points in half of their games)

[Marcellus]

Because the Colts defense!

(That gave up 27+ points in half of their games)

Yea I don't get it. Like I said they are the Chargers 2.0 except they have no real weapons.

Unless Darren Waller is going with Carr he isn't worth a shit anyway.

[htismaqe]

Because the Colts defense!

(That gave up 27+ points in half of their games)

It's all volume. They're good at getting yards on offense and not giving up yards on defense.

But they're not efficient, on either side of the ball. There's not a lot of quality per-play.