Marty Schottenheimer in hospice care [and has passed away]

[Deberg_1990]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A message from the family of Marty Schottenheimer, updating his health condition. <a href="https://t.co/FzQzpQVxaD">pic.twitter.com/FzQzpQVxaD</a></p>&mdash; Chris Mortensen (@mortreport) <a href="https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/1357040564424871942?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Doesn’t sound good.

[CoMoChief]

WIN IT FOR MARTY!!!!!!

[KChiefs1]

It's too bad Marty isn't his old self so he could be enjoying the Chiefs & the resurgence of the Cleveland Browns & Buffalo Bills.

[siberian khatru]

Anybody heard anything about Len Dawson lately? He pretty much disappeared right around last year's Super Bowl.

[FlaChief58]

God speed Coach

[Kman34]

Prayers sent to Coach and his family...

[Dartgod]

Dang, that sucks. Marty made me love Chiefs football again.

[Buehler445]

We all knew it was coming. Sucks. Nobody deserves that shit ass disease.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

God speed Marty...

[tredadda]

What a terrible way to go. I know he's not gone yet, but it's inevitable. He helped bring the Chiefs to respectability again. While he had issues in the playoffs, they were always good and competitive.

[loochy]

Hmmm. For some reason I thought he already died.

[CaliforniaChief]

Marty was such a good coach. He instilled a toughness and passion in the Chiefs that became part of the DNA of the Chiefs fanbase. I'm convinced to this day that more than just our current success, Marty is one of the keys to who we are as a culture.

Such a terrible thing to see. God bless him and his family.

[lcarus]

Anybody heard anything about Len Dawson lately? He pretty much disappeared right around last year's Super Bowl.

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[Spott]

Damn, that really sucks. He really turned football around in KC, even if he never made the big game. Hopefully we can win another one for him on Sunday.

[Baby Lee]

Hmmm. For some reason I thought he already died.

Thinking of Gunther?

[siberian khatru]

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Thanks!

[gblowfish]

I never got to meet Marty. He would be a HOF coach if not for Horse Face. All of Elway's personal triumph was directly at Marty's expense, both here and with Cleveland.

[Deberg_1990]

I never got to meet Marty. He would be a HOF coach if not for Horse Face. All of Elway's personal triumph was directly at Marty's expense, both here and with Cleveland.

It’s going to be a sad day in the Kingdom when Marty passes. I’m guessing a large portion of the current fan base became diehards during his tenure.

[Red Dawg]

Marty probably had the worst luck of any coach in the history of sports. He put a lot of different teams in position to win.

He was very unlucky. His players let him down a lot in the playoffs.

[tredadda]

He was very unlucky. His players let him down a lot in the playoffs.

Carl also let him down in regards to the QB position, unless it was Marty's call to have all these SF backup QBs. To think we almost made a SB with a broken down shell of what Montana used to be. He won more playoff games in one year than every other QB under Marty.......combined.

[ClevelandBronco]

I thoroughly enjoyed the Marty era in Cleveland. He accomplished a lot having been given not much. Love and respect, Coach.

[RickObie]

It’s going to be a sad day in the Kingdom when Marty passes. I’m guessing a large portion of the current fan base became diehards during his tenure.

Exactly what I was telling my wife earlier...if it wasn't for Marty I might not be such a die-hard Chiefs fan - that can be good or bad but - is what it is...

Lots of great Marty memories!

[Megatron96]

I became a Chiefs fan right around the time he became the coach. I think it the year before. He's the guy that was the model for what a coach should be from that time forward. I feel sick that he's not even able to enjoy what the Chiefs have finally achieved, and I know already that I'll shed more than a few tears when he goes.

God bless, Marty. Love you, man.

[Red Dawg]

Thats too bad. Marty will be missed by many.

[dirk digler]

It’s going to be a sad day in the Kingdom when Marty passes. I’m guessing a large portion of the current fan base became diehards during his tenure.

I know I am one of those fans. This is very sad and just an awful way to go.

[ClevelandBronco]

I became a Chiefs fan right around the time he became the coach. I think it the year before. He's the guy that was the model for what a coach should be from that time forward. I feel sick that he's not even able to enjoy what the Chiefs have finally achieved, and I know already that I'll shed more than a few tears when he goes.

God bless, Marty. Love you, man.

Dude, my finger hit the thumbs down as I was scrolling. Totally didn’t mean it.

BTW: Anyone know how to check which idiot (me in this case) is responsible for up and down votes? Is that a thing that can be checked?

[Megatron96]

Dude, my finger hit the thumbs down as I was scrolling. Totally didn’t mean it.

BTW: Anyone know how to check which idiot (me in this case) is responsible for up and down votes? Is that a thing that can be checked?

No worries.

You can check by clicking 'User CP' up there in the upper left corner of the page, then scroll down to 'Helpful Answers' down a bit on the left, and click on that.

[Ghost of Maslowski]

https://i.postimg.cc/PxttYYvs/Team-000-1.jpg

God bless you, Coach

[rabblerouser]

I became a Chiefs fan right around the time he became the coach. I think it the year before. He's the guy that was the model for what a coach should be from that time forward. I feel sick that he's not even able to enjoy what the Chiefs have finally achieved, and I know already that I'll shed more than a few tears when he goes.

God bless, Marty. Love you, man.

Same.

My earliest memories were of Kinney and that QB Drafted in 1983, but I first really started watching when Marty brought in DeBerg and Vlasic.

[PurpleJesus28]

https://i.postimg.cc/PxttYYvs/Team-000-1.jpg

God bless you, Coach

Ross,Hackett,Cherry,Maas,Coach,Bell. Warriors,they were.Great picture

[stevieray]

https://i.postimg.cc/PxttYYvs/Team-000-1.jpg

God bless you, Coach

Amen.

Love this pic.

I saw him in the lobby after Lamar's service in Independence.. Didn't dare say a word. He definitely had a presence about him. I remember being slightly surprised how big he was in person. Tough guy.

Thanks for all the great memories, Coach, you made me proud to wear my Chiefs gear...especially in Colorado.

[gblowfish]

https://i.postimg.cc/PxttYYvs/Team-000-1.jpg

God bless you, Coach

Great pic. This is early Marty. That defense was bad ass, and the offense was Barry Word and Christian Okoye with DeBerg. Ground and pound Marty Ball.

[Ghost of Maslowski]

Ross,Hackett,Cherry,Maas,Coach,Bell. Warriors,they were.Great picture

Marty got his game face on, and when Marty got his game face on, there was usually an ass kicking to follow

https://i.postimg.cc/VLTngLFH/Team-000-2.jpg

[tredadda]

https://i.postimg.cc/PxttYYvs/Team-000-1.jpg

God bless you, Coach

Love that picture.

[scho63]

Truly sad.

While Marty turned around a franchise in total despair, he also led to so much heartbreak as a Chief's fan.

While a fantastic regular season coach, he sucked as bad as any coach in the playoffs.

The aggravation and frustration I suffered during those failed playoffs scared me for life as a Chief's fan.

Mahomes Magic is slowly healing 50 years of trauma in a great way.

[mlyonsd]

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[mlyonsd]

As for Marty Godspeed. What a terrible way to endure the end of your life. I forgive you for the Grbac/Gannon debacle.

[Randallflagg]

I'll never forget the time I was fortunate enough to meet Coach in person. I happened to be eating lunch at the Steak and Shake in Independence when the server says to me - "There's your coach". Turned around and in the booth behind me was Marty and King Carl (Their first year with the Chiefs).

As I got up to leave, I passed them and said "Welcome to KC Coach". He says "Hey! Sit for a while, will you? Hell yes! Must have been 10-15 minutes we talked. Pretty much everything football.

I had a great love for the guy every year after that. I always thought it was too bad that he pissed down his leg in the playoffs - but damnit, he took the team from the laughing stock of the NFL to a respected powerhouse.

God bless and keep you Marty! :clap:

[TwistedChief]

I'll never forget the time I was fortunate enough to meet Coach in person. I happened to be eating lunch at the Steak and Shake in Independence when the server says to me - "There's your coach". Turned around and in the booth behind me was Marty and King Carl (Their first year with the Chiefs).

As I got up to leave, I passed them and said "Welcome to KC Coach". He says "Hey! Sit for a while, will you? Hell yes! Must have been 10-15 minutes we talked. Pretty much everything football.



That's a fucking awesome story, dude. Love hearing that.

[stevieray]

I'll never forget the time I was fortunate enough to meet Coach in person. I happened to be eating lunch at the Steak and Shake in Independence when the server says to me - "There's your coach". Turned around and in the booth behind me was Marty and King Carl (Their first year with the Chiefs).

As I got up to leave, I passed them and said "Welcome to KC Coach". He says "Hey! Sit for a while, will you? Hell yes! Must have been 10-15 minutes we talked. Pretty much everything football.

I had a great love for the guy every year after that. I always thought it was too bad that he pissed down his leg in the playoffs - but damnit, he took the team from the laughing stock of the NFL to a respected powerhouse.

God bless and keep you Marty! :clap:


Cool story!

Carl gets a lot of flack, but he was a super cool guy in person, in the lots before the game(sometimes with Lamar).

He showed up to Mitch's Halloween show dressed up as Al Davis.

[liquidlounge]

Truly sad.

While Marty turned around a franchise in total despair, he also led to so much heartbreak as a Chief's fan.

While a fantastic regular season coach, he sucked as bad as any coach in the playoffs.

The aggravation and frustration I suffered during those failed playoffs scared me for life as a Chief's fan.

Mahomes Magic is slowly healing 50 years of trauma in a great way.

Nope- Marty overachieved during the regular season and never had the horses when in counted in the postseason. He won everywhere he went and never really had a QB. Well, yeah he did in Gannon, but it is debatable whether he was pulling the strings on that debacle.

[Cheater5]

Marty never got a Championship that he so richly deserved, but what a legacy, and one hell of a coach. Look at the faces of the players when he’s talking— they’d bleed for that guy. Dying breed, for sure.

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[jerryaldini]

There's a gleem. Record speaks for itself.

[htismaqe]

Truly sad.

While Marty turned around a franchise in total despair, he also led to so much heartbreak as a Chief's fan.

While a fantastic regular season coach, he sucked as bad as any coach in the playoffs.

The aggravation and frustration I suffered during those failed playoffs scared me for life as a Chief's fan.

Mahomes Magic is slowly healing 50 years of trauma in a great way.

Yep.

[Demonpenz]

He was.a.beast as a.player right?

[Prison Bitch]

Saw him speak at a Corp outing. He said “tough times don’t build character. They reveal it.” Love that quote. Especially as a Chiefs fan

Then we drafted Patrick and there have been no tough times. I forgot where I was going with this?

[TNTEICHER]

Marty was such a good coach. He instilled a toughness and passion in the Chiefs that became part of the DNA of the Chiefs fanbase. I'm convinced to this day that more than just our current success, Marty is one of the keys to who we are as a culture.

Such a terrible thing to see. God bless him and his family.

Marty was the reason I became a chiefs fan. Great coach. So sad.

[dlphg9]

Marty had to have the worst ****ing luck in the playoffs. He had 13 playoff losses and 10 of those losses were to HOF QBs

Elway - 3
Marino - 3
Kelly - 2
Moon - 1
Brady - 1

He lost 9 of those 13 by 5 or less for a combined total of 26 points.

Everyone talks about how conservative Marty was, but how many coaches would have pulled their QB on the final drive of a playoff game in which he was only down 3? A QB that just had the best season of his career, had his only pro bowl season and just led the team to a 13-3 season was replaced by a guy that only threw 11 passes that entire year, had missed the previous year due to a shoulder injury, and wasn't really very good before he got here.

Marty let's his nuts hang, watches that QB drive his team down the field and into FG range, only to watch a literal mass of fecal matter, that happened to develop a leg, roll onto the field and shank a 42 yarder. His 3rd miss on the day.

Nearly a decade later and with a different team Marty leads the Chargers to a 14-2 season. This is the best team in football. They have the number 1 ranked offense in the NFL scoring 30.8 ppg. At the time this would have been the 13th highest scoring offense in the SB era. They also have the 7th ranked scoring D. They've earned a first round bye and home field advantage throughout the playoffs.

All of Marty's prior playoff failures and bad luck was bound to take a turn. There first game was against the Tom, Bill, and the Pat's. The Chargers jumped out to a 14-3 lead, but by halftime that lead had shrunk to 14-10. By the middle of the 3rd quarter the score is still 14-10 Chargers. The Patriots punt with around 5 minutes left and Eric Parker muffs the punt and gives the Pat's the ball back in great field position, but the D holds them to a FG, 14-13. In the 4th, Marty watches his offense drive for a TD and goes up 21-13. The Pats get the ball and start to drive down the field. Tom throws what could be a game losing Int, but Marty's shit luck comes back to bite him in the ass. The defender gets that ball stolen by this mother ****er

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Reche Caldwell

Tom Brady scores a TD, converts a 2 point conversion and ties the game. San Diego does jack and shit. Gives the ball back to Tom, so he can take the Pats down the field for a go ahead FG. Marty still has a shot though and gets to watch his kickers miss a game tying FG at the end of the game.

That was the last game he coached, because San Diego canned him.

Marty deserved a SB as much as Andy and it sucks he didn't get one.

[Deberg_1990]

That was the last game he coached, because San Diego canned him.

Marty deserved a SB as much as Andy and it sucks he didn't get one.

Agreed. A lot of his players let him down over the years.

I almost feel bad mentioning this, but Marty did coach again and won a Pro football title in 2011

The Virginia Destroyers in the UFL for those that remember that league. It operated only 4 years from 2009 to 2012

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Virginia_Destroyers_season

[InChiefsHeaven]

Agreed. A lot of his players let him down over the years.

I almost feel bad mentioning this, but Marty did coach again and won a Pro football title in 2011

The Virginia Destroyers in the UFL for those that remember that league. It operated only 4 years from 2009 to 2012

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Virginia_Destroyers_season

Yeah, Omaha had a team in that league, the Nighthawks. It was doomed to fail. The league was dumb enough to believe it could complete with the multi-billion dollar NFL. Only in the last year did they decide "Hey, we should partner with the NFL and be like a farm league and play in the Spring!"

Too little too late. I've always hoped that someone would come up with a way to make that happen. Smaller markets like Omaha would be a good spot for Spring ball.

[scho63]

Marty had to have the worst ****ing luck in the playoffs. He had 13 playoff losses.


So all is fail was due to bad luck?

What a truly poor take. Marty lost a lot of games with poor decisions and play calling.

[htismaqe]

Sorry but 1995 was NOT bad luck.

That was 100% Marty and he deserves the blame he gets for it.

Marty ALWAYS tried to go against his own tendencies in big games, like letting Bono throw 3 INT's in the 2nd half of that game or playing prevent defense even though he said he hated it.

I feel for Marty the man, and his family, but his shortcoming as a coach will never just go away.

[htismaqe]

Everyone talks about how conservative Marty was, but how many coaches would have pulled their QB on the final drive of a playoff game in which he was only down 3? A QB that just had the best season of his career, had his only pro bowl season and just led the team to a 13-3 season was replaced by a guy that only threw 11 passes that entire year, had missed the previous year due to a shoulder injury, and wasn't really very good before he got here.

Um, he pulled Bono because he threw INT's on back-to-back drives, to the same guy.

That's not guts, that's panic.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Marty had to have the worst ****ing luck in the playoffs. He had 13 playoff losses and 10 of those losses were to HOF QBs

Elway - 3
Marino - 3
Kelly - 2
Moon - 1
Brady - 1

He lost 9 of those 13 by 5 or less for a combined total of 26 points.

Everyone talks about how conservative Marty was, but how many coaches would have pulled their QB on the final drive of a playoff game in which he was only down 3? A QB that just had the best season of his career, had his only pro bowl season and just led the team to a 13-3 season was replaced by a guy that only threw 11 passes that entire year, had missed the previous year due to a shoulder injury, and wasn't really very good before he got here.

Marty let's his nuts hang, watches that QB drive his team down the field and into FG range, only to watch a literal mass of fecal matter, that happened to develop a leg, roll onto the field and shank a 42 yarder. His 3rd miss on the day.

Nearly a decade later and with a different team Marty leads the Chargers to a 14-2 season. This is the best team in football. They have the number 1 ranked offense in the NFL scoring 30.8 ppg. At the time this would have been the 13th highest scoring offense in the SB era. They also have the 7th ranked scoring D. They've earned a first round bye and home field advantage throughout the playoffs.

All of Marty's prior playoff failures and bad luck was bound to take a turn. There first game was against the Tom, Bill, and the Pat's. The Chargers jumped out to a 14-3 lead, but by halftime that lead had shrunk to 14-10. By the middle of the 3rd quarter the score is still 14-10 Chargers. The Patriots punt with around 5 minutes left and Eric Parker muffs the punt and gives the Pat's the ball back in great field position, but the D holds them to a FG, 14-13. In the 4th, Marty watches his offense drive for a TD and goes up 21-13. The Pats get the ball and start to drive down the field. Tom throws what could be a game losing Int, but Marty's shit luck comes back to bite him in the ass. The defender gets that ball stolen by this mother ****er

https://64.media.tumblr.com/2115e3ec283c902eb2bd9be56ce1382b/18b826c4da6722c9-06/s640x960/844f24476b25effe79011f055784cc238a888077.pnj

Reche Caldwell

Tom Brady scores a TD, converts a 2 point conversion and ties the game. San Diego does jack and shit. Gives the ball back to Tom, so he can take the Pats down the field for a go ahead FG. Marty still has a shot though and gets to watch his kickers miss a game tying FG at the end of the game.

That was the last game he coached, because San Diego canned him.

Marty deserved a SB as much as Andy and it sucks he didn't get one.

There was more time than I thought when McCrea picked Brady late in the 4th. 6 minutes plus left....and Troy Brown forced the fumble. Kaeding kick at the end was 54 yards...again longer than I thought it was. They passed up a 46 yarder on a 4th and 10 early in the game which was extremely odd..YouTube has those awesome 15 minute game shorts. Been watching a ton of classic playoff games.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Sorry but 1995 was NOT bad luck.

That was 100% Marty and he deserves the blame he gets for it.

Marty ALWAYS tried to go against his own tendencies in big games, like letting Bono throw 3 INT's in the 2nd half of that game or playing prevent defense even though he said he hated it.

I feel for Marty the man, and his family, but his shortcoming as a coach will never just go away.

Neither was the Chargers playoff loss. A couple head scratching moves in that one.

That game was also a direct summary of Rivers career. Tossing picks at bad times and throwing a 2 yard dump pass with no timeouts under a minute left leading to a desperate 54 yard FG

It also shows what an epic horseshoe Brady had up his ass. Holy fuck look at the breaks this guy has had in the postseason in his career. It's absolutely ridiculous.

[Deberg_1990]

Sorry but 1995 was NOT bad luck.



It was a little bit. A professional kicker should have been able to make at least 1 out of 3 FG attempts

[Pasta Little Brioni]

It was a little bit. A professional kicker should have been able to make at least 1 out of 3 FG attempts

Bullshit. Look at his other playoff games. It's simply no coincidence.

[PunkinDrublic]

My favorite local commercial is the price chopper where Marty is giving a pep talk to the butchers in the meat department. “You need to pay attention to what you’re doing! I want to see nice clean cuts of meat!”

[htismaqe]

It was a little bit. A professional kicker should have been able to make at least 1 out of 3 FG attempts

The number of times Marty lost due to the kicking game says he relied on it WAY too much.

[KC_Lee]

Sorry but 1995 was NOT bad luck.

That was 100% Marty and he deserves the blame he gets for it.


To expand on this, the kicker in question (that shall go unnamed) was missing kicks during the last half of the season. I remember people calling it out on some of the local sports radio shows.

I believe the excuse for not signing a new kicker was "Well you can't find a better kicker this time of the season", which was a lame ass excuse if I ever heard one.

Marty could have directed Carl to find a new kicker but alas he did not and the rest is history.

[htismaqe]

To expand on this, the kicker in question (that shall go unnamed) was missing kicks during the last half of the season. I remember people calling it out on some of the local sports radio shows.

I believe the excuse for not signing a new kicker was "Well you can't find a better kicker this time of the season", which was a lame ass excuse if I ever heard one.

Marty could have directed Carl to find a new kicker but alas he did not and the rest is history.

The Colts kicker was 1-3 that day. It was pretty obvious kicking field goals was going to be next to impossible.

Nevermind that they completely went away from the offensive game plan in the 3rd quarter only to realize too late that Bono was terrible.

[KChiefs1]

It’s going to be a sad day in the Kingdom when Marty passes. I’m guessing a large portion of the current fan base became diehards during his tenure.

Yeah, there are very few from the Stram era still around...I know George & I go back to those days but everyone I run into now became fans when Montana was at QB. Makes me feel old.

[Hoover]

Love and prayers to Marty.

I was sad the day the Chiefs let him go, but knew it was happening.

It was criminal what the Redskins and Chargers did to him.

[Deberg_1990]

It was criminal what the Redskins and Chargers did to him.

Sure. But Marty made a ton of money from those teams.

[The Iron Chief]

It’s going to be a sad day in the Kingdom when Marty passes. I’m guessing a large portion of the current fan base became diehards during his tenure.

I fall into this category.
My Dad, family, friends just about everyone around me thought I was a moron
when I began to follow the Chiefs here in NY.
At an impressionable age I used to hear you don't even get to watch your team play each week.
Of course this was partly true.
I'd scramble for the sports section on Monday to read the game details.
On the very Rare occasion the Chiefs would play MNF..rarely.
Even more rare I'd find an AM station that had a game broadcast..of course mostly because who they were playing.
And of course I'd get to watch Marty and the Chiefs play NY Teams.

I was hooked I loved listening to Martys passion in any interview I could find.
I kept thinking this is the yr..this is the yr we go all the way...this is the yr the Chiefs get it done for Marty!
But we all know even our best yrs we'd fall short.
I remember when I heard Marty saying he was done and needs to step away.
Very emotional moment.
I wanted him to get his win just as much if not more than I wanted to see Reid get his.

Regardless I now bled Red&Gold forever.
Decades of getting my balls busted by Family & friends.

And here we are.

The last interview that I heard Marty give gave me a good feeling inside.
He knows he was an Honored KC Legend.
He knows he lifted the Team up to a respectable level & that the Fan Base grew enormously under his tenure.

If I'm not mistaken Marty inherited a team that was 5-11 the previous season.
He then went to work going 101-58-1
Many of those losses occurred during his rebuild plan.


One side note
You cant imagine how everyone here in upstate NY thought the Bills were gonna clean our clocks...were the new Hot team.
Their texts slowly subsiding as the game went on..
I got intoxicated on NY/Bill fans tears.

[Buehler445]

The number of times Marty lost due to the kicking game says he relied on it WAY too much.

To be clear here: I agree. Absolutely.

However, there is an argument that, with the QBs he had, it was the move.

I'd counter that with, criticism of playcalling can exist outside of 4th down.

But the argument is still there.

[htismaqe]

To be clear here: I agree. Absolutely.

However, there is an argument that, with the QBs he had, it was the move.

I'd counter that with, criticism of playcalling can exist outside of 4th down.

But the argument is still there.

My biggest problem with Marty is that he'd go on about "chunks" of yards and then run the ball instead. And when the game really dictated he run the ball, he'd pass. He had tendencies and he almost always broke them when the situation least demanded it.

He should have never hired Paul Hackett or Gunther Cunningham, that was a big part of it. Both of them were stooges.

[Buehler445]

My biggest problem with Marty is that he'd go on about "chunks" of yards and then run the ball instead. And when the game really dictated he run the ball, he'd pass. He had tendencies and he almost always broke them when the situation least demanded it.

He should have never hired Paul Hackett or Gunther Cunningham, that was a big part of it. Both of them were stooges.

Paul Hackett :Lin:

[dlphg9]

Sorry but 1995 was NOT bad luck.

That was 100% Marty and he deserves the blame he gets for it.

Marty ALWAYS tried to go against his own tendencies in big games, like letting Bono throw 3 INT's in the 2nd half of that game or playing prevent defense even though he said he hated it.

I feel for Marty the man, and his family, but his shortcoming as a coach will never just go away.

A kicker missing 3 FGs, two of which were 39 or less yards is not Marty's fault. Prior to that game Lin hit 5/6 post season FGs. In 1995 76% of field goals between 30-39 were made by all kickers and Lin was 7/9 from that range. His first miss was at the end of the half 35 yarder, 2nd miss was a 4th and 9 from the Indy 22 down 3, 3rd and final miss followed 3 straight incomplete passes, so it was 4th and 10 with barely any time from the Indy 25 down 3 points.

Every single one of those kicks was the right call. The Chiefs had the best defense in the NFL that year and all we needed to do was make FGs, because the D was holding them down. To say Marty was 100% to blame is just ridiculous. The Colts D wasn't too shabby either.

So all is fail was due to bad luck?

What a truly poor take. Marty lost a lot of games with poor decisions and play calling.

Did I say anywhere that it was all bad luck? I'm saying he had shit luck in the playoffs.

[dlphg9]

To be clear here: I agree. Absolutely.

However, there is an argument that, with the QBs he had, it was the move.

I'd counter that with, criticism of playcalling can exist outside of 4th down.

But the argument is still there.

In 1995 the Chiefs had the number 1 ranked D, so kicking FGs was absolutely the right call.

[htismaqe]

A kicker missing 3 FGs, two of which were 39 or less yards is not Marty's fault. Prior to that game Lin hit 5/6 post season FGs. In 1995 76% of field goals between 30-39 were made by all kickers and Lin was 7/9 from that range. His first miss was at the end of the half 35 yarder, 2nd miss was a 4th and 9 from the Indy 22 down 3, 3rd and final miss followed 3 straight incomplete passes, so it was 4th and 10 with barely any time from the Indy 25 down 3 points.

Every single one of those kicks was the right call. The Chiefs had the best defense in the NFL that year and all we needed to do was make FGs, because the D was holding them down. To say Marty was 100% to blame is just ridiculous. The Colts D wasn't too shabby either.

The Colts kicker was 1-for-3 and Elliott missed all 3 of his. NOBODY was making FG's so even attempting them was the wrong call. Sorry, but you're absolutely wrong.

Furthermore, we're likely not relying on a FG to win the game if Marty sticks with the gameplay in the 3rd quarter instead of letting Bono throw the ball on every down and getting back to back picks.

[htismaqe]

In 1995 the Chiefs had the number 1 ranked D, so kicking FGs was absolutely the right call.

The two teams combined were 1-for-6 on field goals.

The wind chill was below zero - that has an affect on the ball and how far it will travel.

Relying on FG's when the weather conditions were obviously causing problems for BOTH teams was the wrong call.

[Megatron96]

No player at any level from HS on up will tell you that football games should be decided by their kickers. If you're relying on your kicker to win a game, the rest of the team didn't do their jobs, the end. You could point to at least a half a dozen decisions/plays that could've/should've gone differently before your kicker ever stepped on the field to attempt a game-winning kick that probably were more critical to the outcome.

[Deberg_1990]

Just re watched the highlights of this game.
Bono wasn’t too bad in the first half. But his 2nd half was awful.
I’m guessing the cold really wore him down as the game dragged on.

[htismaqe]

No player at any level from HS on up will tell you that football games should be decided by their kickers. If you're relying on your kicker to win a game, the rest of the team didn't do their jobs, the end. You could point to at least a half a dozen decisions/plays that could've/should've gone differently before your kicker ever stepped on the field to attempt a game-winning kick that probably were more critical to the outcome.

They ran the ball in the 1st half with a balanced attack.

They came out in the 3rd quarter throwing the ball on nearly every down.

And when the shit hit the fan, they completely shut down the passing game and ran on nearly every down until Gannon came in.

It's pure panic football and 100% on the coaching staff.

[Titty Meat]

Great man great regular season coach

[Spott]

They ran the ball in the 1st half with a balanced attack.

They came out in the 3rd quarter throwing the ball on nearly every down.

And when the shit hit the fan, they completely shut down the passing game and ran on nearly every down until Gannon came in.

It's pure panic football and 100% on the coaching staff.

I haven’t and won’t rewatch the highlights of that game, but I distinctly remember the opening drive of the second half when we had 3rd and 1 from our 29. Instead of giving the ball to Marcus Allen to get the sure thing, Marty calls a play action swing pass to Donnell Bennett, who hadn’t caught a pass all year, which was dropped. The pass was thrown low but was definitely catchable. On that play the interior OL was blocking so well that Marcus Allen would have been in the secondary before a defender could touch him. Once that happened I just had a feeling we were going to coach our way out of winning that game.

[siberian khatru]

I haven’t and won’t rewatch the highlights of that game, but I distinctly remember the opening drive of the second half when we had 3rd and 1 from our 29. Instead of giving the ball to Marcus Allen to get the sure thing, Marty calls a play action swing pass to Donnell Bennett, who hadn’t caught a pass all year, which was dropped. The pass was thrown low but was definitely catchable. On that play the interior OL was blocking so well that Marcus Allen would have been in the secondary before a defender could touch him. Once that happened I just had a feeling we were going to coach our way out of winning that game.

My usual reminder that the Colts were playing without their best run-stuffer that game, DT Tony Siragusa.

[cooper barrett]

Great man great regular season coach

Marty ball sucked when it came to playoff games, it was embarrassing for sure, but his side game was "dead on" from what little I know as fact.

[dlphg9]

They ran the ball in the 1st half with a balanced attack.

They came out in the 3rd quarter throwing the ball on nearly every down.

And when the shit hit the fan, they completely shut down the passing game and ran on nearly every down until Gannon came in.

It's pure panic football and 100% on the coaching staff.

I think you are misremembering things. This is how the drives broke down for KC in the second half.

Drive 1

Run 3 yds
Inc pass
Inc pass
Punt

Drive 2

Pass 7yds
Pass INT

Drive 3

Run 7 yds
Run 16 yds
Run 2 yds
Run 6 yds
Run 2 yds
Run 1 yd
Pass 11 yds
Run -5 yds (absolutely killed the drive)
Run 2
Pass 4
Missed 39 yd FG

Drive 4

Pass inc
Pass INT

Drive 5

Run 3 yds
Pass inc
Pass INT

Drive 6 Gannon drive

Run 5 yds
Pass 3 yds
Pass 9 yds
Pass 5 yds
Run 3 yds
Pass 16 yds
QB run 5 yds
Pass - 3 yds
Pass 14 yds
Pass inc
Pass inc
Pass inc
Missed 42 yd FG

So up until Gannon the 2nd half looked like this

Passing - 3/10 22yds 3 ints
Rushing 10 runs 45 yds

When Gannon took over

6/9 44 yds
3 rushes 13 yds

So in the first 5 plays of the 2nd half they had 4 passes and one was an Int, so in the 3rd drive they decided to run the ball several times, but I'd say the reason for running 6 times in a row is because they got 2 first downs on 5 runs and the moment they got stuffed for 1 yard on first they threw the ball and got the first down. After the first down they went back to running the ball, but when they got stopped for a 5 yd loss they were pretty well fucked. I wouldn't say they ran it all those times because shit hit fan, but because it was working really well and not much else was working.

I think if Gannon is put in one drive earlier, instead of Bono having the chance to throw ints in back to back drives, this game ends with a Chiefs victory.

Marty wasn't relying on FG's. It's not his fault that 3 of his 6 drives in the 2nd half ended in INT's. In 2 of the other 3 drives the offense moved the ball very effectively but stalled around the red zone and his kicker missed 39 and 42 yd FGs.

The two teams combined were 1-for-6 on field goals.

The wind chill was below zero - that has an affect on the ball and how far it will travel.

Relying on FG's when the weather conditions were obviously causing problems for BOTH teams was the wrong call.

Blanchard tried from 49, 47, 30 and hit the 30 yarder.
Elliot tried from 42, 39, 35.

The Colts missed 2 FG's because even in good conditions those are easy. That year the league hit 69% of kicks between 40-49 yds. Those kicks were at the end of the range, so it's probably closer to 60-64%.

Your belief is FG's were a near impossibility that day and your strongest piece of evidence is that the teams combined to go 1-6 on FG's, but that doesn't really hold up because the Colts kicker missed much more difficult kicks than our idiot.

[dlphg9]

Well that discussion ended quickly

[htismaqe]

Well that discussion ended quickly

What is there to discuss?

The sequence of events you posted is pretty much exactly what I said earlier.

Marty Schottenheimer didn't suffer from bad luck. You don't become one of the biggest playoff failures in NFL history from bad luck.

[J Diddy]

What is there to discuss?

The sequence of events you posted is pretty much exactly what I said earlier.

Marty Schottenheimer didn't suffer from bad luck. You don't become one of the biggest playoff failures in NFL history from bad luck.

Maybe he sold his soul to the devil for a decade of playoffs.

[DaneMcCloud]

Marty Schottenheimer didn't suffer from bad luck. You don't become one of the biggest playoff failures in NFL history from bad luck.

And it wasn’t just with the Chiefs. He had a 14-2 Chargers team featuring 3 future HOFers that lost in the Divisional Round.

[T-post Tom]

“My heart goes out to the Schottenheimer family,” Andy Reid said. “Marty and I were close. What a great person. He was great for me as a young football coach. Nobody did it better than he did.”

Very sad way to go out.

Prayers to Marty and his family.

[J Diddy]

God I hope when I'm dying there's not a thread devoted to my efficacy at my job.

[Buehler445]

God I hope when I'm dying there's not a thread devoted to my efficacy at my job.

Valid point. However, I'm guessing when I go it will come up.

[dlphg9]

What is there to discuss?

The sequence of events you posted is pretty much exactly what I said earlier.

Marty Schottenheimer didn't suffer from bad luck. You don't become one of the biggest playoff failures in NFL history from bad luck.

OK, what would you have done differently or what should have been done? The sequence of events I posted was not anywhere close to what you said. You said they came out throwing it on pretty much every down. That makes it seem like they came out and threw a shit ton of passes, but in reality they threw it 4 times in 2 drives. Also they didn't decide to run it several times in one drive because shit hit the fan in my sequence. What actually happened is they were running it down the Colts throats and producing, no shit hit any fans.

You are wrong about this game and Marty did have shit luck in the game.

[dlphg9]

And it wasn’t just with the Chiefs. He had a 14-2 Chargers team featuring 3 future HOFers that lost in the Divisional Round.

Yes, Marty being a failure is what lead to that loss. It had nothing to do with his QB throwing a pick, the punt returner muffing a punt, or being up 8 points with 6 minutes left and your DB intercepts Tom on 4th down only to fumble it right away on your own 32 and allow Tom to tie the game less than 2 minutes later.

Yep all because Marty was a choker.

[DaneMcCloud]

Yes, Marty being a failure is what lead to that loss. It had nothing to do with his QB throwing a pick, the punt returner muffing a punt, or being up 8 points with 6 minutes left and your DB intercepts Tom on 4th down only to fumble it right away on your own 32 and allow Tom to tie the game less than 2 minutes later.

Yep all because Marty was a choker.

He lost to Herm Edwards Jets because as usual, he played not to lose instead of playing to win.

[cooper barrett]

1-Will be your management style known by a catchphrase?

2-Will the subject of illegitimate Chief's Choppers be overlooked?

When Marty passes, whoever preforms the eulogy will fail to mention #2


Valid point. However, I'm guessing when I go it will come up.

[SuperBowl4]

WIN IT FOR MARTY!!!!!!"There's a gleam!" "One play at a time!"

[htismaqe]

Yes, Marty being a failure is what lead to that loss. It had nothing to do with his QB throwing a pick, the punt returner muffing a punt, or being up 8 points with 6 minutes left and your DB intercepts Tom on 4th down only to fumble it right away on your own 32 and allow Tom to tie the game less than 2 minutes later.

Yep all because Marty was a choker.

In Cleveland, in KC, AND in San Diego.

He failed in the playoffs EVERYWHERE he went. And not just lost, lost in epic fashion.

Just bad luck, right?

[htismaqe]

Valid point. However, I'm guessing when I go it will come up.

It depends on how much money you leave them. ;)

Look, I appreciate Marty for what he did for this team and what they needed at the time.

By 1995, that time had passed. They were into the 2nd '5 year' plan and not winning a playoff game at all during that time was inexcusable.

I feel bad for his family and for the man himself. He is a man after all.

However, he's not the myth or the martyr that many Chiefs fans have made him. He was a great regular season football coach that couldn't get it done in the playoffs. That's his legacy. It is what it is.

[Deberg_1990]

In Cleveland, in KC, AND in San Diego.

He failed in the playoffs EVERYWHERE he went. And not just lost, lost in epic fashion.

Just bad luck, right?

Your suggesting that every playoff loss was entirely his fault. That’s just not the case. Some of those losses, sure....but even you can admit some of it was just bad luck and players letting him down.

[htismaqe]

Your suggesting that every playoff loss was entirely his fault. That’s just not the case. Some of those losses, sure....but even you can admit some of it was just bad luck and players letting him down.

"Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity."

All of that "bad luck" comes down to him not putting himself in those positions in the first place.

When you play every game so close to the vest that one bad bounce can be the difference between a win and a loss - multiple times over two decades, mind you - you are to blame.

[milkshock]

Lets do it for Marty!

[Deberg_1990]

"Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity."

All of that "bad luck" comes down to him not putting himself in those positions in the first place.

When you play every game so close to the vest that one bad bounce can be the difference between a win and a loss - multiple times over two decades, mind you - you are to blame.

Every hall of fame head coach has lost playoff games. It happens.

Reid was considered ‘Marty Like’ until he met Mahomes.

[ptlyon]

He lost to Herm Edwards Jets because as usual, he played not to lose instead of playing to win.

And herm played to win the game!

[htismaqe]

Every hall of fame head coach has lost playoff games. It happens.

Reid was considered ‘Marty Like’ until he met Mahomes.

Andy Reid won a conference championship before ever coming to KC. He made it to 4 more.

Marty doesn't even come close to Reid's resume. Not even close.

[scho63]

It depends on how much money you leave them. ;)

Look, I appreciate Marty for what he did for this team and what they needed at the time.

By 1995, that time had passed. They were into the 2nd '5 year' plan and not winning a playoff game at all during that time was inexcusable.

I feel bad for his family and for the man himself. He is a man after all.

However, he's not the myth or the martyr that many Chiefs fans have made him. He was a great regular season football coach that couldn't get it done in the playoffs. That's his legacy. It is what it is.

An excellent post! :clap::clap:

[Baby Lee]

God I hope when I'm dying there's not a thread devoted to my efficacy at my job.

Last time there was a Marty thread, I got thread-banned for even alluding to the fact that people feigning condolences actually wanted to rehash the line of horseshit running rampant here. Now it's the actual subject of the thread and crickets.

[htismaqe]

Nobody is feigning condolences.

And it's a football message board, football is going to get discussed.

The only thing I will say is that you shouldn't have been banned. That's not really fair.

[loochy]

Last time there was a Marty thread, I got thread-banned for even alluding to the fact that people feigning condolences actually wanted to rehash the line of horseshit running rampant here. Now it's the actual subject of the thread and crickets.


Quit whining

[loochy]

We didn't know the guy in person. All we know is what he did for the football team. That's why we discuss what he did for the football team.

[Baby Lee]

Quit whining

Not whining, just pointing out irony.

Actual whining is the furor by posters to my accurate summation previously that forced my ban in the first place.

[GoBills!]

Sad news... Marty was one of my favorite coaches, and the guy I wanted the Bills to hire in 2010 when they went with Gailey.

All the best to a man who is a total class act (and former Bills player!)

[FloridaMan88]

We didn't know the guy in person. All we know is what he did for the football team. That's why we discuss what he did for the football team.

JFC, Marty’s shortcomings as a HC have been well documented and endlessly discussed... not sure why that conversation is necessary in a thread about him being in hospice with advanced Alzheimer’s.

[htismaqe]

JFC, Marty’s shortcomings as a HC have been well documented and endlessly discussed... not sure why that conversation is necessary in a thread about him being in hospice with advanced Alzheimer’s.

Because it's a discussion board and people continue to venerate him like he's some kind of football saint. This discussion doesn't just happen in a vacuum, there's absolutely two sides to it.

[FloridaMan88]

Because it's a discussion board and people continue to venerate him like he's some kind of football saint. This discussion doesn't just happen in a vacuum, there's absolutely two sides to it.

Well for better or worse he is still the second winningest HC in franchise history.

[FlaChief58]

Because it's a discussion board and people continue to venerate him like he's some kind of football saint. This discussion doesn't just happen in a vacuum, there's absolutely two sides to it.

Well, considering the garbage that preceded and followed him, we as fans should be grateful for what he did for the organization despite his playoff shortcomings.

The man is on his death bed. Can we just give him some respect?

[htismaqe]

Well for better or worse he is still the second winningest HC in franchise history.

Yep. Nobody is disputing that.

[htismaqe]

Well, considering the garbage that preceded and followed him, we as fans should be grateful for what he did for the organization despite his playoff shortcomings.

Nobody is disputing this, either. In fact, it has been mentioned in this thread more than once.

The man is on his death bed. Can we just give him some respect?

Talking about the facts of his career doesn't equal a lack of respect. Refusing to put him on a pedestal doesn't either.

[alanm]

I think you are misremembering things. This is how the drives broke down for KC in the second half.

Drive 1

Run 3 yds
Inc pass
Inc pass
Punt

Drive 2

Pass 7yds
Pass INT

Drive 3

Run 7 yds
Run 16 yds
Run 2 yds
Run 6 yds
Run 2 yds
Run 1 yd
Pass 11 yds
Run -5 yds (absolutely killed the drive)
Run 2
Pass 4
Missed 39 yd FG

Drive 4

Pass inc
Pass INT

Drive 5

Run 3 yds
Pass inc
Pass INT

Drive 6 Gannon drive

Run 5 yds
Pass 3 yds
Pass 9 yds
Pass 5 yds
Run 3 yds
Pass 16 yds
QB run 5 yds
Pass - 3 yds
Pass 14 yds
Pass inc
Pass inc
Pass inc
Missed 42 yd FG

So up until Gannon the 2nd half looked like this

Passing - 3/10 22yds 3 ints
Rushing 10 runs 45 yds

When Gannon took over

6/9 44 yds
3 rushes 13 yds

So in the first 5 plays of the 2nd half they had 4 passes and one was an Int, so in the 3rd drive they decided to run the ball several times, but I'd say the reason for running 6 times in a row is because they got 2 first downs on 5 runs and the moment they got stuffed for 1 yard on first they threw the ball and got the first down. After the first down they went back to running the ball, but when they got stopped for a 5 yd loss they were pretty well ****ed. I wouldn't say they ran it all those times because shit hit fan, but because it was working really well and not much else was working.

I think if Gannon is put in one drive earlier, instead of Bono having the chance to throw ints in back to back drives, this game ends with a Chiefs victory.

Marty wasn't relying on FG's. It's not his fault that 3 of his 6 drives in the 2nd half ended in INT's. In 2 of the other 3 drives the offense moved the ball very effectively but stalled around the red zone and his kicker missed 39 and 42 yd FGs.



Blanchard tried from 49, 47, 30 and hit the 30 yarder.
Elliot tried from 42, 39, 35.

The Colts missed 2 FG's because even in good conditions those are easy. That year the league hit 69% of kicks between 40-49 yds. Those kicks were at the end of the range, so it's probably closer to 60-64%.

Your belief is FG's were a near impossibility that day and your strongest piece of evidence is that the teams combined to go 1-6 on FG's, but that doesn't really hold up because the Colts kicker missed much more difficult kicks than our idiot.Geez.. Even looking at the game synopsis is painful.:spock:

[Demonpenz]

Anyone have any feeling that he this could have been caused by playing football?

[DJJasonp]

Anyone have any feeling that he this could have been caused by playing football?

eh.

I've had 3 family members deal with this disease, and I dont think there's been any studies that link it back to contact sports.

[gblowfish]

The Chiefs have been blessed to have had some really talented head coaches. Stram, Marv Levy, Marty, Dick Vermeil and now Andy Reid. That's five pretty great head coaches in fifty years. I wish Marty would have gotten to a Super Bowl, but it just wasn't to be. His coaching tree includes guys like Cowher, Dungy and the guy we're facing Sunday on the Tampa sideline, Bruce Arians, who worked for Marty from 1989 to 1992. So Marty's coaching legacy has been strong.

[alanm]

Anyone have any feeling that he this could have been caused by playing football?No. It happened to 2 of my grandparents and Grandma never played football. It's genetics. You are predisposed for it when you are born.

[alanm]

The Chiefs have been blessed to have had some really talented head coaches. Stram, Marv Levy, Marty, Dick Vermeil and now Andy Reid. That's five pretty great head coaches in fifty years. I wish Marty would have gotten to a Super Bowl, but it just wasn't to be. His coaching tree includes guys like Cowher, Dungy and the guy we're facing Sunday on the Tampa sideline, Bruce Arians, who worked for Marty from 1989 to 1992. So Marty's coaching legacy has been strong.They cut the cord on Marv waaaaay too soon. Always wonder how that would have eventually worked out overall.

[scho63]

Nobody is disputing this, either. In fact, it has been mentioned in this thread more than once.



Talking about the facts of his career doesn't equal a lack of respect. Refusing to put him on a pedestal doesn't either.

You seem to be posting the best and most level headed responses. :thumb:

[Boiled Chicken]

They cut the cord on Marv waaaaay too soon. Always wonder how that would have eventually worked out overall.

I’ve wondered that, too. Canned after a strike shortened season where he should have got a pass. Maybe he convinces the powers that be to not draft Blackledge in the upcoming draft.

[ptlyon]

No. It happened to 2 of my grandparents and Grandma never played football. It's genetics. You are predisposed for it when you are born.

Well why the hell not?

[alanm]

I’ve wondered that, too. Canned after a strike shortened season where he should have got a pass. Maybe he convinces the powers that be to not draft Blackledge in the upcoming draft.I've no doubt we'd of passed on Blackledge. Jim Kelly may have been a Chief. No doubt Marino may have as well. Blackledge would have sat on some other poor unfortunate teams bench. :thumb:

[alanm]

Well why the hell not?She didn't have break away speed. She could hit hard enough though. :D

[htismaqe]

The Chiefs have been blessed to have had some really talented head coaches. Stram, Marv Levy, Marty, Dick Vermeil and now Andy Reid. That's five pretty great head coaches in fifty years. I wish Marty would have gotten to a Super Bowl, but it just wasn't to be. His coaching tree includes guys like Cowher, Dungy and the guy we're facing Sunday on the Tampa sideline, Bruce Arians, who worked for Marty from 1989 to 1992. So Marty's coaching legacy has been strong.

Honestly, that's probably the biggest thing anyway.

Hayden Fry never won a Rose Bowl.

However, his coaching tree includes Barry Alvarez, Bob Stoops (as well as Mark and Mike), Kirk Ferentz, Don Patterson, Bill Snyder, Bobby Diaco, Jay Norvell, Jim Leavitt, and Dan McCarney. Those are just the ones I can remember.

So he never won a Rose Bowl or a NC but he has probably the most prolific coaching trees in the history of modern college football.

[Deberg_1990]

The Chiefs have been blessed to have had some really talented head coaches. Stram, Marv Levy, Marty, Dick Vermeil and now Andy Reid. That's five pretty great head coaches in fifty years. I wish Marty would have gotten to a Super Bowl, but it just wasn't to be. His coaching tree includes guys like Cowher, Dungy and the guy we're facing Sunday on the Tampa sideline, Bruce Arians, who worked for Marty from 1989 to 1992. So Marty's coaching legacy has been strong.

Mike McCarthy too. Marty’s legacy is his tree. And it was strong.

[cooper barrett]

Is Greg Hill going to post something here?

[FlaChief58]

Well why the hell not?

They couldnt find a cup big enough to fit her

[Otter]

I hate reading this stuff. Godspeed, coach.

[JohnnyHammersticks]

Horrific disease. Indescribably brutal on Marty, and everyone close to him. Just went through it with my mother a few weeks ago. Hospice is called in when dying becomes a better option than living with advanced Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. It isn't euthanasia technically, but basically it is. You do it out of mercy when you can tell they don't want to fight anymore. The hospice nurse just ups the morphine dosage a bit each session until the person checks out. With my mom it was less than two weeks. People that have this disease eventually forget how to swallow and start choking all the time. And screaming. Not sure if Marty has Parkinson's also, but if he does it makes it even that much worse. He'll be in a better place very soon. The place he's in now is no place you ever want to see a loved one or anyone you care about end up in. It's soul-crushing.

[displacedinMN]

I got an autograph from Marty at River Falls. Me, a grown man, speechless to talk to him.

Always loved Marty.

[bringbackmarty]

I love Marty for the reason that we all do, he had great defenses when he was a coach against some pretty good offenses. Offense was always a struggle, sure we had a decent offense a lot of years, but it takes a really good offense to win. You have to score more points. We did that in the regular season most years, but even if we started Gannon that one year or Montana hadn't gotten hurt - those nfc teams were really good on offense, not sure we could have beat them. Net result would be the same.

[htismaqe]

Horrific disease. Indescribably brutal on Marty, and everyone close to him. Just went through it with my mother a few weeks ago. Hospice is called in when dying becomes a better option than living with advanced Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. It isn't euthanasia technically, but basically it is. You do it out of mercy when you can tell they don't want to fight anymore. The hospice nurse just ups the morphine dosage a bit each session until the person checks out. With my mom it was less than two weeks. People that have this disease eventually forget how to swallow and start choking all the time. And screaming. Not sure if Marty has Parkinson's also, but if he does it makes it even that much worse. He'll be in a better place very soon. The place he's in now is no place you ever want to see a loved one or anyone you care about end up in. It's soul-crushing.

Pretty much all of this. Watching someone suffer from Alzheimer's is heartbreaking. :(

[eDave]

Pretty much all of this. Watching someone suffer from Alzheimer's is heartbreaking. :(

Hopefully not an idiotic question, but who is it hard on? The afflicted or the family? My observations are of the latter.

[TimeForWasp]

As for Marty Godspeed. What a terrible way to endure the end of your life. I forgive you for the Grbac/Gannon debacle.

The pain is with the relatives. He is in happy land.

[scho63]

Please God, let Marty live past this Superbowl. :grovel:

[Chiefaholic]

I was a fan prior to Marty, but I give Marty credit for making me a legitimate die-hard Chief fan who was optimistic we could win any game (especially the Raiders). He created one hell of a defensive machine that riled up the crowds and made Arrowhead a place other teams didn't want to play in. I don't know what state Marty is in now, but I hope he's alert enough to watch Sunday's game one last time.

[FlaChief58]

I was a fan prior to Marty, but I give Marty credit for making me a legitimate die-hard Chief fan who was optimistic we could win any game (especially the Raiders). He created one hell of a defensive machine that riled up the crowds and made Arrowhead a place other teams didn't want to play in. I don't know what state Marty is in now, but I hope he's alert enough to watch Sunday's game one last time.

We'd all love for that to be true, but Alzheimer's is a horrific disease and since he's in hospice, I doubt he's aware of anything going on around him.

This shit is heartbreaking

[Coach]

Hopefully not an idiotic question, but who is it hard on? The afflicted or the family? My observations are of the latter.

My grandfather had dementia, so it's kind of a different thing than Alzheimer's. That being said, I can't speak for him, but I can imagine it is difficult for him because he was trying his hardest to remember my brothers name, but just couldn't do it. He knew my name early on, but as his dementia progressed, he didn't remember my name anymore.

And the basic stuff that he used to do, couldn't do it anymore. Couldn't speak. Couldn't move. It just looked like he was just sitting in the wheelchair and having that blank stare. Just from my own experience.

As for me, it was pretty hard for seeing that seeing his mental capacity just going away and seeing that he was a shell of his former self, if that makes any sense.

[kstater]

RIP Marty

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[thabear04]

RIP Marty :(

[Sofa King]

Loved that guy. Peace out Marty.

[493rd]

RIP Marty

[cooper barrett]

I had just heard that.

ESPN just called him a family man.

[FlaChief58]

RIP coach. Thanks for the memories

[InChiefsHeaven]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Legendary NFL coach Marty Schottenheimer, (77), peacefully passed away with family at his<br>side on Monday, February 8, 2021 in Charlotte, North Carolina. Schottenheimer had been<br>battling Alzheimer’s since 2014.</p>&mdash; Chris Mortensen (@mortreport) <a href="https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/1359144277993996290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Kman34]

Oh no.. RIP

[F150]

Sad day in the Kingdom. But final peace after such a horrid disease. RIP

[louie aguiar]

RIP - Marty’s 90s chiefs teams are the reason I’m a chiefs fan

[srvy]

RIP Marty you turned a sad franchise around and left some great memories for me. I wish you could have got that Superbowl wins you deserved.

[Danguardace]

RIP Marty great man and coach

[milkshock]

At least he got to see us in the Super Bowl again

RIP

[shakesthecat]

RIP, Coach

[ARROW2]

RIP Marty you turned a sad franchise around and left some great memories for me. I wish you could have got that Superbowl wins you deserved.


All that matters now is where his soul is and ultimately, that will be true for all of us.

[DJJasonp]

ouch. RIP good sir.

Would have ran through a brick wall for you back in the 90s.

You brought excitement and respectability back to our city/franchise.

Godspeed.

[TrebMaxx]

RIP Coach

[stevieray]

Finally at rest.


Thank you for everything, sir.


May God watch over your family.

[scho63]

Please God, let Marty live past this Superbowl. :grovel:

Thank you Lord! Prayers answered o:-)

RIP Marty- you change the dynamics of Chiefs football and for that I will always be grateful for.

[cabletech94]

RIP - Marty’s 90s chiefs teams are the reason I’m a chiefs fan

Same here.

Godspeed Marty.

[BigRichard]

Marty is the reason I am a Chiefs fan. I was just up in Charlotte over the weekend and I mentioned to my wife that I would love to be able to give my condolences to his family and tell them what an impact he played in my life. I know it was a horrible idea but it did pop into my head.

[Tnerped]

God damn RIP

[AJKCFAN]

RIP Marty. There was such a long period of apathy for the Chiefs franchise but hiring Marty and drafting DT really turned the corner for the Chiefs and because of his success, the Chiefs in general easily enjoy among the most passionate fanbases there is and arguably the best of them all! Quite a legacy and will always be remembered here - and to the regular football fan, he likely will be most remembered as a Chiefs head coach, slightly more so than the Browns head coach....

Thanks Coach!

[WilliamTheIrish]

Terribly sad.

With Marty gone, the sun officially sets on one of the best decades of my life. Young kids, going to ball games, watching Marty’s defense chase Elways ass all over Arrowhead.

Oh mortality. Death smiles at us all, all a man can do is smile back.

[kc rush]

RIP

[Stryker]

Man, truly sad. RIP coach.

[scorpio]

RIP Marty. Never lost the gleam.

[threebag]

RIP, Marty

[TLO]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Legendary NFL coach Marty Schottenheimer, (77), peacefully passed away with family at his<br>side on Monday, February 8, 2021 in Charlotte, North Carolina. Schottenheimer had been<br>battling Alzheimer’s since 2014.</p>&mdash; Chris Mortensen (@mortreport) <a href="https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/1359144277993996290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[TribalElder]

RIP

[AJKCFAN]

Died on the same exact date as Derrick Thomas, 21 years apart...

[scho63]

Died on the same exact date as Derrick Thomas, 21 years apart...

:eek:

[jallmon]

Thanks for everything Coach. RIP.

[seclark]

Rip
Sec

[redfan]

Dangit, RIP Coach.

[wazu]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Marty, you always said, &quot;There&#39;s a gleam, men!&quot; It&#39;s true, and that gleam is, and always was, YOU. Rest in peace Coach, love you. <a href="https://t.co/PONiVZxm8f">pic.twitter.com/PONiVZxm8f</a></p>&mdash; Bill Cowher (@CowherCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/CowherCBS/status/1359156273359577092?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2021</a></blockquote>
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[dirk digler]

RIP Marty. You will be missed and remembered.

[BossChief]

RIP Marty.

[DJJasonp]

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[bobhill]

He was Heart broken 💔 RIP Coach.

[DTVietnam]

anyone got a clip of when DT was mentally down and he was trying to get him back in the game..

got to forget it derrick. .

[DJJasonp]

Marty and his hatred for the Raiders:

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[KC_Lee]

RIP Marty.

[Deberg_1990]

RIP Marty. Thank you for all you gave to this franchise. And thank you for the memories.

[ChiefBlueCFC]

RIP, Coach

[POND_OF_RED]

Everyone remember to punch a Raider fan in his honor when they all come back out of hiding for the draft. RIP Marty. Thanks for bringing me into the kingdom and instilling the proper level of Raider hatred into my youth. We love you!

[Easy 6]

He didn't quite take us to the promised land, but he did give us a lot of great moments, our first real taste of success since the late 60's... and thats worth a LOT in my book

RIP, Marty

[DJJasonp]

Marty (and Carl) brought this to KC:

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[Red Dawg]

The king of Raider hate. Marty brought us back from the dead. Thank you Marty. Rest in peace old friend.

[FloridaMan88]

The most amazing fact I always remember about Marty is the fact the Chiefs won the second most # of games during his almost 10 years in KC (second to only the 49ers).

The 49ers did that with the likes of Joe Montana and Steve Young at QB.

Marty's Chiefs did that primarily with the likes of Steve DeBerg, Dave Krieg, Joe Montana (at the end of his career), Steve Bono, and Elvis Grbac/Rich Gannon at QB.

Marty's flaws as a coach, especially in the playoffs have been well documented, but there is no doubt overall that he was one hell of a HC.

RIP.

[PHOG]

Revitalized Chiefs football. RIP.

[alpha_omega]

RIP coach.

[tredadda]

RIP Marty. You took the Chiefs from a laughingstock to one of the best and most respected teams in the league. Sadly had you gotten one SB ring you would have been in the HOF.

[TwistedChief]

"This is a game of the heart. Focus and finish." -MS

RIP, great sir.

[MahomesMagic]

Great old school football coach.

RIP.

[HC_Chief]

RIP, Coach Schottenheimer. Thank you for all you did for us as fans and for turning this franchise into a consistent winner.

[Chief Northman]

Marty galvanized many of us as fans. RIP coach. Your legacy will not be forgotten.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Thank God Marty gave us "because Chiefs", for almost 2 decades before he came to KC, the national media and much of the fan base was apathetic. He gave us hope and that generated excitement which made us have more skin in the game. The "because Chiefs" disappointments were so much better than it had been and we probably wouldn't be where we are today without Marty. RIP Marty, thanks for making the Chiefs relevant again in a division where you had to beat John Elway every year with QBs that were make shift guys and a HOF that was far past his prime... God speed!

[RickObie]

RIP Marty, you'll always have a special place in my heart...the memories you provided are second to none...you brought pride back to the organization and to us as fans...You'll never be forgotten..again RIP!!!

[Mile High Mania]

That sucks... always like him, he was a good man.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

RIP

[KCFalcon59]

R.I.P Coach. Thanks for great seasons and for dominating the raiders for so many years.

[gblowfish]

Can we change the name for a week to the Marty Lounge?

[PRIEST]

RIP Coach!

[gblowfish]

I was there for all of Marty's career. My friend Gary and I saw his very first game as head coach. We went to Memphis for an exhibition game between the Chiefs and Vikings at the Liberty Bowl. It was also Derrick Thomas first game as a Chiefs rookie. His 1989 coaching staff included three future Super Bowl winning coaches: Bill Cowher, Tony Dungy and Bruce Arians. Of course, Marty never made it that far. He won 205 games in the NFL but could never get to the big dance with any of his NFL teams. He has the most wins of all NFL coaches who never coached in a Super Bowl. Marty died on the same day Derrick Thomas died 21 years ago. Very sad day for all Chiefs fans.

[ChiefsOne]

The Chiefs performance Sunday did him in.

Great coach and human. Pretty fitting that he passed on the same day as DT.
Thanks for all the great years Coach.

[crayzkirk]

Thanks for the memories, Coach.

[Kman34]

Marty (and Carl) brought this to KC:

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That had to be the stupidest fucking rule the NFL ever came up with.... Crowd noise is a awesome part of the game and Marty brought that to us..

[Mile High Mania]

I was there for all of Marty's career. My friend Gary and I saw his very first game as head coach. We went to Memphis for an exhibition game between the Chiefs and Vikings at the Liberty Bowl. It was also Derrick Thomas first game as a Chiefs rookie. His 1989 coaching staff included three future Super Bowl winning coaches: Bill Cowher, Tony Dungy and Bruce Arians. Of course, Marty never made it that far. He won 201 games in the NFL but could never get to the big dance with any of his NFL teams. Marty died on the same day Derrick Thomas died 21 years ago. Very sad day for all Chiefs fans.

Thomas would have been Marty's first draft pick as the Chiefs' coach, yeah? Strange.

[Tonka83]

Rest in Peace Coach. Give Derrick a big hug for us.

[BossChief]

I hope he was able to watch last years Super Bowl win in his state of mind and enjoy it.

[Garcia Bronco]

Hope Marty and DT are having a drink, a laugh, and a goodtime.

Always the bridesmaid, but He and Gunther put together some tough teams.

RIP

[Mile High Mania]

That had to be the stupidest ****ing rule the NFL ever came up with.... Crowd noise is a awesome part of the game and Marty brought that to us..

I remember that game... had forgotten about it, but that was by far one of the lamest things I have ever seen.

[Garcia Bronco]

I remember that game... had forgotten about it, but that was by far one of the lamest things I have ever seen.

It was like two years...the crowd is too loud...WTF

[Marcellus]

RIP to the man who got me deeply entrenched into Chiefs football.

[Easy 6]

Get a load of the headline WaPo put on this story, fucking shameful

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/look-washington-post-criticized-for-marty-schottenheimer-headline/ar-BB1dxxOv?ocid=msedgntp

[Frazod]

Alzheimer's and hospice care - glad he went sooner rather than later.

RIP Coach.

[FloridaMan88]

RIP Marty. You took the Chiefs from a laughingstock to one of the best and most respected teams in the league. Sadly had you gotten one SB ring you would have been in the HOF.

Winning a Super Bowl sometimes carries too much weight either for or against a HC’s HOF candidacy.

Cowher and Dungy got into the HOF with their Super Bowl wins, but Marty is 8th in all time HC wins and took three downtrodden franchises to the playoffs.

Also look at his impact on the game with four future Super Bowl winning HC’s (Dungy, Cowher, Arians and McCarthy) on his early coaching staff in KC.

[TEX]

Can we change the name for a week to the Marty Lounge?

:clap: Very good gesture.

[bringbackmarty]

Will always be onw of my favorite coaches. Rest in peace.

[gblowfish]

Thomas would have been Marty's first draft pick as the Chiefs' coach, yeah? Strange.

He was King Carl's first number one pick, and Marty's first season as head coach. He was fired in Cleveland at the end of the 1988 season and King Carl brought him here in 1989.

[Megatron96]

God speed, Marty. You were one of a kind, and we’re going to miss you.

[FlaChief58]

Died on the same exact date as Derrick Thomas, 21 years apart...

Crazy

[FlaChief58]

Can we change the name for a week to the Marty Lounge?

Seconded

[New World Order]

The last time Raiders/Broncos rivalry seemed real were the Marty days.

Glad to hear he was a great human.

RIP Marty.

[FlaChief58]

The last time Raiders/Broncos rivalry seemed real were the Marty days.

Glad to hear he was a great human.

RIP Marty.

I still hate them today because of his hatred for them and Bo Jackson playing for them

[Dartgod]

I'm legit crying here.

Wow, so many great memories of Marty Schottenheimer led teams. Yeah, he never made it to the big dance, but he and that defense he built were responsible for making Arrowhead Stadium THE most difficult place to play in the NFL.

So many memories...

RIP Coach.

:deevee:

[Deberg_1990]

Get a load of the headline WaPo put on this story, ****ing shameful

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/look-washington-post-criticized-for-marty-schottenheimer-headline/ar-BB1dxxOv?ocid=msedgntp

Horrible. Are they butthurt he only coached one season there?

It wasn’t Marty’s fault Snyder paid him a boatload of cash to have him walk away and then hire Spurrier.

[C3HIEF3S]

Alzheimer's and hospice care - glad he went sooner rather than later.

RIP Coach.

Yep. It sucks.
Seeing my grandmother go through it all now and I couldn’t agree more. I was relieved to see Marty had a peaceful death.

[HemiEd]

RIP Marty! Thank you for the memories!:

[htismaqe]

Winning a Super Bowl sometimes carries too much weight either for or against a HC’s HOF candidacy.

Cowher and Dungy got into the HOF with their Super Bowl wins, but Marty is 8th in all time HC wins and took three downtrodden franchises to the playoffs.

Also look at his impact on the game with four future Super Bowl winning HC’s (Dungy, Cowher, Arians and McCarthy) on his early coaching staff in KC.

His coaching tree is one of the most impressive in modern football, honestly.

He's not Bill Walsh or Don Coryell but he's freaking close.

He should be in the HOF.

So sad to see he passed. :shake:

[Johnny Vegas]

Thanks for the memories, coach. RIP

[HemiEd]

RIP Marty, thank you for the memories!

[Frazod]

Yep. It sucks.
Seeing my grandmother go through it all now and I couldn’t agree more. I was relieved to see Marty had a peaceful death.

My grandmother didn't have Alzheimer's, but dementia. She lingered for years in a nursing home not knowing anything or anybody. Played with a doll and babbled like a baby the last time I saw her. Didn't know I was or give a shit that I was there. It was horrible.

If I ever get like that I hope somebody has the decency to smother me with a pillow.

[milkshock]

one of the greatest motivational coaches in league history

[big nasty kcnut]

RIP coach. Heaven got a new football coach. DT now request to traded to his team.

[Dartgod]

My grandmother didn't have Alzheimer's, but dementia. She lingered for years in a nursing home not knowing anything or anybody. Played with a doll and babbled like a baby the last time I saw her. Didn't know I was or give a shit that I was there. It was horrible.

If I ever get like that I hope somebody has the decency to smother me with a pillow.

Same here. I think I visited her once or twice and never again. I felt guilty when she finally passed that I hadn't seen her in nearly a year, but that wasn't my grandmother lying in that bed.

Terrible disease.

[ModSocks]

RIP. I became a fan under Marty. Sad. Shitty week for Chiefs fans as the hits just keep coming.

[Frazod]

Same here. I think I visited her once or twice and never again. I felt guilty when she finally passed that I hadn't seen her in nearly a year, but that wasn't my grandmother lying in that bed.

Terrible disease.

After seeing her like that, I walked out of the nursing home, sat in my car and fucking bawled. Never went to see her again; I just couldn't bear it. Plus, there was no point anyway.

[Prison Bitch]

RIP Marty.

The younger generation doesn’t remember the time before Marty, or in many cases the time WITH him either. But as a kid the stadium was half full unless the Fade or Donkeys came. Or a rare sighting of the 49ers or Bears etc. with Marty the place was packed and rowdy and helluva good time.

[RobertWeathers]

Lots of respect for Marty. RIP.

[gblowfish]

THANK YOU MODS for the Lounge update. Fitting tribute for the CP to make.

[Pogue]

RIP Marty, he was a great coach.

[Gravedigger]

He was the head coach during my initiation into the Chiefs in the early 90s as a kid. Some of the greatest Chiefs players of all time on his teams, always will have a fond place in my heart for Marty and his family. Rest in Peace coach.

[New World Order]

THANK YOU MODS for the Lounge update. Fitting tribute for the CP to make.

Agreed. I think it should stay that way

[Rasputin]

<a href="https://app.photobucket.com/u/KCTattoo58/p/e8cce3ff-61d5-496f-8c77-85fa235adf6f" target="_blank"><img src="https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/ii574/KCTattoo58/Coach_Marty_Schottenheimer.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds" border="0" alt="Coach_Marty_Schottenheimer"/></a>

[crispystl]

<a href="https://app.photobucket.com/u/KCTattoo58/p/e8cce3ff-61d5-496f-8c77-85fa235adf6f" target="_blank"><img src="https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/ii574/KCTattoo58/Coach_Marty_Schottenheimer.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds" border="0" alt="Coach_Marty_Schottenheimer"/></a>

Dang that actually resembles Joe's face LOL

[Graystoke]

RIP Marty. Always a CHIEF!

[Bowser]

RIP - Marty’s 90s chiefs teams are the reason I’m a chiefs fan

Same

RIP, Marty

[Prison Bitch]

When I went in the 80s with my dad, there was no tailgating. Or very little of it. Marty’s era brought it to town. I never have tailgated but for those who enjoy it you can thank Carl and Marty.


Brought some awesome Chiefs gear too. I used to have this shark-tooth cap in HS:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/b54AAOSwhBtfTXOK/s-l400.jpg



Who can forget the new yellow and gold hot gear?
https://s3.us-west-1.wasabisys.com/ebayassets/items_images/293371249598/$_12.JPG_5df3401e636f79.14633838.jpg



And perhaps Marty’s greatest skill: getting us to wear zubazz without embarrassment : zubazz pants
https://di2ponv0v5otw.cloudfront.net/posts/2020/02/04/5e3a6386264a55e0c923217b/m_5e3a6393c953d84a5156f989.jpg

[Deberg_1990]

Chills....


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